Hunter Ring & Ryan Fielding of The RingBrothers

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This year, I think I could completely say you guys fucking won the SEMA.

Like, if there was a winning SEMA, yeah, that's winning SEMA.

Regardless of whatever you look at, there's people that love it and people that hate it.

And I think that polarity is actually what's blowing up that car so much.

Precisely what I was going to say is I didn't have anybody look at me like, oh, it's a Mustang.

What I had people say was, you know, when I saw this car or I saw Larry Chen's video

or that they got those Mustang vibes, they're like, nah, here in person, like, it's...

I can see what you did there. I can see the lines that you're going for.

And we're just talking about on the way down here, how many people think that that car is AI?

Yeah, but I remember being in, like, my mom's office in her house

and coming up with the name Ring Brothers and going through logo designs and all that.

So I very much remember that and kind of having that level of engagement with the company.

How old were you at that point?

Probably eight or so.

Collectively, this is the one.

Despite our challenges.

Yeah, we prevailed. Cheers, man.

I love it.

Yeah, we found common ground.

We did.

It's nice. I like this.

What's the time stamp right now?

It's a 232.

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Telling Elliot what to take home.

You're listening to another episode of Oil and Whiskey.

This week we have Ryan Fielding and Hunter Ring,

Ryan underscore FabGuy and the ever creative just Hunter Ring on Instagram.

It's easier to find that way, honestly.

It is easier.

Yeah, gets it done.

It does.

FabGuy underscore Ryan.

Yeah, what did I say?

Yeah, you said Ryan underscore FabGuy.

Okay.

Anybody to find you?

Yeah, get it there.

It's fine.

FabGuy underscore Ryan.

Yeah.

We'll edit that out.

We were just talking about how it is to listen to yourself and have this conversation with

the headphones.

You're the first dude that I think out radio voices, Josh.

He's got a good voice.

Yeah.

I don't like it.

I don't like he's buff.

He's got some tattoos.

He's got the beard going.

It's getting gray, though.

It was not near as gray.

I mean, just six weeks ago, it wasn't that great.

The total package is almost like a better version.

That's amazing.

Thicker, longer, fuller beard.

That's a toss up.

I set that one up for you.

Yeah.

He's got a better.

Yeah.

That's fine.

He's got nicer glasses.

I can't see.

He's 28.

And he looks like that.

Wait till he's 47.

That's what happens when you're building fucking hot rods for that.

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Guys, it's good to have you.

You guys are going to be here.

It's going to be fun.

We've got all kinds of things to talk about.

Coming off of a whirlwind SEMA, kind of shook things up a little bit.

Yeah, it was definitely a little busy week for sure.

Yeah, absolutely.

I mean, it was far and away our most just crazy SEMA, right?

Everything surrounding the car, surrounding the show.

It was a whirlwind for us, absolutely.

Well, and team that off with doing all the racing stuff at the track with Ben Collins

and the exotic car group, everything was just, there's a lot.

Yeah, there's a lot.

Long week.

Lots of stuff to do.

For all the people.

Look at that.

Ten days in Vegas, 11 days.

Yes, something like that.

I mean, is with factoring four days of driving on top of that.

Right, with drive time is two weeks.

That's a long time to be in Las Vegas.

That's two weeks too much to be in Las Vegas, actually.

Right.

We were just short of that because we were out there with you guys.

I think we did ten days, nine days?

I did nine.

We did...

11.

Shit, yeah.

We were up there.

It's a lot.

I would say we've had so many people call.

This used to happen more in the past.

Like guys calling, looking for chassis sponsorships.

And they would tell you that like, well, you know, like a one SEMA in 2011.

Or like, oh, nine, dude, we won SEMA.

We're going to win SEMA.

There is no winning SEMA per se, but I would say...

We used to think there wasn't.

This year, I think I could completely say you guys fucking won SEMA.

Like if there was a winning SEMA.

Yeah.

That's winning SEMA.

We really appreciate that.

And honestly, you know, it's so great to hear you guys say that.

Obviously, you know, we're proud to have your chassis on that car and what we did with the

best on RS.

I mean, that's an award that we've won a lot of awards.

And that one was extra special to us because it's one we haven't had.

And I tell you what, the smiles were pretty big that night.

And we really appreciate it.

Reading the comments and talking to people throughout the week, you know, they kind of

kind of went with with what you're saying.

And that was that was really, really cool to hear people saying, you know, calling it

the best car SEMA.

And it's just it's it's wild to hear, you know, to get that kind of response.

And it's just it's really important to us and everybody back in the shop, right?

Like, you know, hearing that something you spent so much time, blood, sweat and tears

on really getting recognized like that from all different people from the the

tuner crowd to the four by four, you know, the Carolina squad bro truck crowd.

I mean, they get seemed kind of unanimous.

Everybody was was excited about what we brought.

And that's that's a really cool feeling.

Is it hard to stay that humble when you brought such a banger and you know that it's

fucking winning?

You know, honestly, it's one of those things where you guys know, right?

Like you you're so intimate for so long with that vehicle that you're you're too

close and you know that you to see it for what it is sometimes.

And you're you're almost shocked to hear some of the responses because we're

we're so close to it and to be able to have somebody that has never seen it

give their give their first take.

That's that's really exciting.

And there was there was a couple people honestly at at SEMA that and you

know, we brought like Gary and on to to hear what they had to say about it.

And there was they knew about it, but they had not seen it.

They had not seen any videos.

They just had no knowing about the Carl Carl Cox was one of them.

The DJ Carl Cox.

He's a he's a British guy.

He had heard we had done an Aston Martin but knew nothing about it.

So we got a fresh take from him.

We came around the corner and he was able to see it and look at it

and give us his real time first impression.

That was pretty cool because he's an Aston Martin guy.

He's a he's a super car guy, an exotics guy and an American muscle guy.

That's why he was at SEMA and he came back three or four different times

throughout the week with his whole entourage to to check out the car.

And that that was really, really special for us.

I think the initial reaction has got to be not able to speak after

looking at it like there's so much there to take it all in.

It's such an insane car that hard to pick out, you know,

what your initial reaction is.

But that's again, that's where, you know, for us,

we know each one of those little details intimately.

And for somebody that's never seen it to just kind of stand back.

I know Hunter, you did it as well to let to bring somebody to the car

and just let them open the door, pop the clamshell and just let them take

whatever time they wanted to really observe.

And it's really interesting to me to see what people pick out.

Unprompted, unsolicited to see what really catches their eye.

And it's surprising sometimes the details that people pick out that you think

you might might get overlooked and you'd have to point out.

But it's sometimes the things they key in on first.

And that's that's really, really cool.

And it speaks volumes right to the industry and the type of people

that are looking at these cars when they see things that that,

you know, most people you think would glance over.

Did any of the fucking morons that make the Mustang comment all

over social media, any of those guys say that to your face?

And what's interesting?

Interesting ones for sure.

Yeah.

And once we have the balls to sit.

Well, actually, walking into SEMA, it's kind of hard to tell for myself

what the reaction was going to be because we debuted it at the Quail.

So it already been out since August.

So whether or not we were going to have like a good crowd for the

showing, what to me was kind of a toss up because it's already

been seen to some degree.

So either it's going to be low because of that or it's going to be high

because more people want to see it.

But similar to what you were saying is like the comments are all over

the place.

Like if you look up that car on doesn't matter if you're looking

at different forums, if it's American based, it's loved by a

lot of people.

If it's European based, it seems like it's trashed on by a lot

of people.

But regardless of whatever you look at, there's people that love

it and people that hate it.

And I think that polarity is actually what's blowing up that

car so much.

So in that, in addition to SEMA, it's actually kind of cool to

see the reaction that people have to it in person.

And we've had a lot of people that saw it through social

and said it either looked like a Mustang or didn't quite

understand it.

And then they saw it in person.

And to them, it just totally changed the way that the car

felt.

So seeing comments like that is also very interesting.

And that's precisely what I was going to say is I didn't

have anybody look at me like, oh, it's a Mustang.

What I had people say was, you know, when I saw this

car or I saw Larry Chen's video or they saw pictures of it

or our Facebook or whatever the case may be, that they got

those Mustang vibes.

But they're like, no, here in person, I can see what you

did there.

I can see the lines that you're going for.

And that's pretty cool.

It is very wild, specifically on that car.

One time of the polarity of it is that speaks volume

to how far you push the envelope when there is that

much discussion across such wide range of people

and enthusiasts.

Because it means you're pushing the envelope versus doing

something so vanilla and generic.

If it's a black tuxedo, few people are going to be like,

oh, I would have done it a different way.

It's classic standard.

You haven't pushed the envelope.

But when you start getting into fashion, wild and crazy,

you're going to have both sides of it.

But where I was going with that, seeing the car

in person, very rarely, if ever, in 20-something years

of doing this, have I ever felt so differently about it?

Not differently.

It's probably the wrong word.

The car in pictures, awesome.

Seeing in the car in person, it's like it's a completely

different car.

The aura, the scale, being able to see, even if you take

a front three-quarter, even if it's a video that you're

seeing on your phone, seeing the car for the first time,

scale proportions and just the vibe can't come across

in video like that car does in person.

That is a big car.

It's way wider and bigger than it looks like in pictures,

no matter what.

If it's somebody standing next to it or whatever.

I mean, we were doing the shock testing here.

That was the first thing.

It was like, I'd seen pictures.

You'd sent me stuff.

We'd seen stuff and seen it in person.

It's like, this is different.

It's completely different.

It grabs you in a different way.

In a good way, but rarely does cars do that.

You see so many teasers of stuff before you see a car

and especially before SEMA, everyone's showing stuff.

We got all these booth cars, pictures.

Most of the time, you're kind of getting the vibe.

Stuff will surprise you quality-wise or fit and finish

or colors or how it hits you, but scale and proportions

of that car is wild, what it does in person.

Absolutely.

The other thing that's pretty cool for me was the amount

of people that followed the car.

We had done the racing and Ryan had posted a little teaser

of that thing going down one of the straights.

The amount of people that I talked to about it,

there's probably only four out of everyone that I asked

that have seen that video that said no.

A bunch of people saw it.

I had a buddy that was actually flying in to come

hang out with us during SEMA.

He was sitting next to a little 12-year-old kid

and his dad.

They're just there talking.

The kid wanted to come to SEMA because he wanted to see that car.

What he was so fascinated by was just how different it is.

To me, I think that's something that's so wild.

They should have all these random people want to see something

that we created in such a small town, Wisconsin.

It's a small town, Wisconsin.

We posted the video on it.

I'm so infatuated, I guess, and I shouldn't read them,

but the comments...

You're going to wear that seatbelt, aren't you?

Yeah, I'll wear the seatbelt.

The comments always astonish me just by...

I feel like the trending direction of stupidity

of the entire fucking nation of the world.

It's incredible, really.

It's clear.

I said something about amazing to see a couple of farm boys

from Wisconsin put this together.

It wasn't a derogatory thing.

Anybody listening to it would be like,

he's having fun, it's humorous.

Some dude fucking says something about,

what the fuck do you think, genius?

Who do you think built this

that a couple hard-working guys from Wisconsin

couldn't do something like this?

Were you dumb shit?

Looking at the car, one might think

that something like that came out of...

I would envision it in a Formula One-type environment,

this clean, sterile group of all fucking British dudes

with crazy technology.

You don't think that it's a bunch of badass dudes.

People take it far too serious.

Just an hour ago, we rolled that Rolls Royce

out of the back of the trailer

for you guys to do a little touch on.

We were commenting about the fact that

this beautiful 62, two-door Cabriolet Rolls Royce

is getting driven around by a bunch of rednecks

from Spring Green, Wisconsin,

getting gas at the local shell station.

Here's this gorgeous car that is just rolling around.

It's absolutely not derogatory.

We're proud of the fact that we're from where we're from.

Jim and Mike and myself and Hunter

and just about everybody there is local

to that region of Wisconsin.

We're proud to be from there

and we're proud to be a bunch of farm kids

that are able to put together a car

that people seem to like.

To your point, it doesn't have to be

a bunch of Germans and white lab coats

in some clean room designing this car.

It's a compliment to think that that's

what people think happened in order

for that car to become a reality.

It's a bunch of hot rodders that decided

to step up their British game a little bit.

One other thing, it's kind of funny,

you talk about polarity and what people think and what not.

We were just talking about on the way down here,

how many people think that that car is AI?

You'll see that in a lot of comments of still photo.

Every picture of the color and the tint on the window

made it look like it had.

There was a couple we were talking about

that Huck took when we were out to the quail

when we were in California.

The fog rolled in and it looks like

that was photoshopped or something.

It really wasn't.

We were doing a photo shoot and the fog

just rolled in through the valley.

He turned the headlights on,

it was cool, but even us looking at him

in the moment on his camera,

we're like, that's fake.

To be fair, AI is...

AI is...

Impressive.

Impressive isn't a word for it.

We had a conversation with my wife

because she struggles with it.

I'm like, honey, that fucking cat

can't walk on its hind legs

while in.

It's funny, but that's not...

Oh my God, I can't believe this cat is so talented.

Some things are not so funny.

There was one going around the other day.

A guy with a t-shirt cannon was...

He's gonna die.

I love that word.

A bunch of people sent it to me like,

oh my God, that's not real.

Me and Phil have been hooked

on the chiropractor ones.

Oh yeah.

That's beautiful.

He's populated my whole feed

and I can watch that for hours.

Those are the best.

Josh, you seem to have an opinion about AI.

I want to hear it.

No, I understand.

There's a lot of things that are funny,

but it can also be used for bad as well.

Absolutely.

There's somebody that's listening right now

that his day is coming

for what he's using AI for.

You're gonna get a little bit of it

because you facilitated it.

Honestly.

I didn't know what direction he was going with it.

He asked for a picture of you

and I facilitated the picture of you.

This sounds fun.

It was off-putting, dude.

Something I can't unsee.

I didn't honestly think you could do that with AI.

I thought there was rules.

Every time I try, there are rules

and it lets you know you can't do it.

I guess there's different platforms to use.

He's using it on the video side.

Unlike chat, GPT won't use people's faces.

If you want to fuck with somebody

and make something,

they tweak the face

or they'll tell you that they can't.

Speaking of faces,

what's coming for him will involve his face

and it won't be AI.

It'll be in real life.

That's good old fashioned.

He's gonna tote one.

He's fine.

He's wiry too.

Was it the color of the scooter that threw you off?

The scooter wasn't even the one

that was the worst.

The scooter wasn't nearly as off-putting.

I would have been fine with that one.

I don't think we sent the other one.

Nobody needs to see that one.

Let's move on to one of you two.

Let's move on.

We talked about the car.

We need to get back to the...

It was just a little hint at what's coming.

I want him to look over his shoulder

for the rest of his life because it's coming.

We need to talk about

who you guys are

and the story.

I want to know

how you ended up where you're at.

You didn't exist and now you exist.

There's a lot to get in.

You're how old? 23?

24?

I'm 32.

It still has to...

We gotta get into the miracle of

how you were born to 65-year-old.

Mom and Dad loved each other.

Dad decided.

I'd like to meet his dad.

We met the grandpa.

We just haven't met him yet.

It's a weird link in between there.

Yeah, that's going to be a fun one to unpack.

We've never had...

Yeah, we did Tucci,

the Tucci boys.

Yeah, but not near the age difference.

They look like brothers.

I always felt that when I was a kid,

one of my friends had a dad

that was old as shit.

I just always felt so bad.

He was like,

old, old, like grandpa, old.

I was like, dude,

he doesn't play catch with you or anything.

What did you do for three or four hours every night

when they went to bed at eight?

You just spend for yourself?

They were already in REM sleep by eight.

Was it already eating dinner

at four o'clock growing up?

Oh, this is going to be fun.

What's your favorite episode of Matt Locke?

Ryan, you're right.

How did this all start?

How old are you?

46.

You're kind of right in the same wheelhouse here.

Where did it all start?

It was short of the long.

It goes back to my grandfather, actually,

on my dad's side.

My grandfather was a professional stuntman

and motorcycle racer

and circle track race car driver.

He was with a traveling stunt troop

called Jimmy Lynch and the Death Dodgers.

Such a cool name.

Yeah.

They're pretty righteous.

Back in the 30s and 40s,

they would do state fairs,

county fairs, that sort of thing.

They traveled all around Midwest, Nebraska, Iowa.

They're based out of Iowa,

but Nebraska, Iowa, Illinois,

they'd be all around.

They'd go out South Dakota and North Dakota,

but they would do a thrill show.

They would all come in

and they would jump over cars

and they would circle track race

and flat track race.

They actually did a motorcycle demolition derby,

which is super wild.

But then, yeah, they were doing

evil Knievel stuff 20 years,

30 years before evil Knievel

was a thing, right?

I see you're pulling up some stuff,

but yeah, that's who he was with.

I'm real fortunate to have

some pretty cool pictures

that survived of my grandpa.

He was doing that as a late teen,

so like 17, 18, 19 years old.

And

fast forward a little bit.

He went off World War II

and came back and

was done with the thrill show stuff.

Grandma told him to basically

park the bike and he started up

a hot rod shop and he was

building hot rods and race cars

and go carts and back then

you did whatever you had to

to support your family.

He was welding and doing collision stuff

and he would buy wrecked cars

and fix them up and put them out front

and sell them, but at the heart of it

he was a hot rodder and built

trikes and choppers and all sorts

of pretty rad stuff.

My father grew up in his shop

and

kind of similar story.

Dad

was around all that, didn't do the stuntman

thing, but he was, you know, bikes

and hot rods were in his blood.

My mom too,

that was in their blood.

They had a poor speedster.

They had a 23 window Volkswagen

bus that she still

when she listens and watches this

podcast, she's going to turn around, she's going to slap

them on the shoulder and say, yep, that's the one

you shouldn't have sold because I think it went

something along the lines of, yeah, I'm not going to sell it

and then like she came on one day and it's gone.

Those are cool.

But anyway, so that was

that was history and building hot rods

and bikes. I grew up

in his garage

and

I tried

I went to college and I went to engineering school

to try

to keep that on the side

and it just pulled me back in.

It's so ingrained in my DNA

and in my blood that

as much as I wanted

to try to keep that on the side

it consumed me completely.

Nights, weekends, every moment that

I wasn't

otherwise occupied it was

building cars, building hot rods, painting, air brushing

pinstripe and all the different things that are associated with it.

What part of the country? Wisconsin?

In Wisconsin, yep.

Yeah, I mean I went to the same high schools, Mike and Jim

like, you know, 70 some plus years apart

of course.

Little red school house.

Yeah, I think they had like seven

seven students and then

three sided building.

You went to school in color.

Right.

But yeah, so

at one point then

right around early

2000-2001 I started my own shop

and I had that for quite a number of years

until we stayed in touch

with Mike and Jim and

again close proximity I was next town

up and

we'd stop in and talk to one another and shoot the breeze

and kind of kick around the idea always

of teaming up on

one of these things and it came around here

some years ago

Mike called me up

and Jim called me and

said, hey, let's build some cars together and here we are.

That's awesome.

Was

grandpa around when you were a kid growing up?

Yeah, so yeah,

unfortunately he never got to see

my shop or of course what I'm doing now

but yeah, I was

real fortunate to have grandpa around when I was

a little boy and I've got some

pretty cool moments I remember with him

he built my first

go-kart, brought that up

and I remember that one

he brought it up and they hadn't put a governor on it or nothing

I think I was three years old, got in they showed me the gas pedal

I stood on it and I ended up

straight up and down in my ma's

flower bed and I just stayed on the throttle

and it was just digging a hole

and they finally went over and tipped it down straight

and decided they needed to regulate the

throttle a little bit

same thing with my first dirt bike

I was at the same year

a little Honda 50 mini trail

if you remember those

they never told me about shifting

so I only knew first gear just wide open

and all of like

5 miles an hour or whatever

that was a lesson learned

there because I wasn't

tall enough to have my feet

touch the ground so if I crashed I had to walk

the thing back to the steps that dad had made

and climb up the steps, kickstarted

and then ride around and if I fell off again

however far away I was I had to walk

you got pretty good enough falling over

that's fine I was just telling my son

my son's like super nostalgic stuff

he's big into dirt bikes

so he's asking me what's your first dirt bike

what was your second what was your third

let's tell him about this first dirt bike we had

and it was this little thing, remember that thing with the chainsaw

motor came out of like was it

sharper image or something?

I think it was Abercrombie and Fitch before it was like an actual clothing store

it used to be like a

apothecated

it was like a real

dirt bike like it had like

forks and shit but it had

chains it was tiny because we were

tiny when we were riding it and

I'll never forget it was my dad and my grandpa

we were all in the front yard and they put my cousin on it

who just couldn't do anything like

mechanical wise

and he fucking whiskey throttles this so I'm telling my son this

and somehow he gets himself

into a wheelie and

lands on his stomach

and maintains the fender kind of peels back

so it was like a wheelie bar and just keeps it

pinned

and our fucking driveway was like a quarter mile long

and this thing all the way down

the fucking driveway

and it was like an old ass driveway

the street was all old just

I mean

that's amazing but yeah it was cool

I remember

I remember being probably about

9 or 10 and

somehow my dad

threw whatever

came about a yard cart

right you know a little go cart

with 5 horse briggs

just standard flat

frame and it had the

slick small tires

and it feels had the

the pencil cart

fun

and then it was a little bit enough

to fuck around with throttle stop

and carbon you get that thing and kind of run it

I remember in my dad's church

parking lot pretty big wide open spot

it's all asphalt

in the back area

you know it's just nobody parks there

so it's kind of just dusty gravelly

it's still asphalt but it's slick

so you could go through there

and you could do some donuts

and then you could get as you figured out

high speed you could get some drifts

and carry that thing right

so as you get accustomed to it

you're like this thing is awesome

and it's so wide you're so low

it will never flip

until it flips

until you're upside down when everybody got there

it caught an edge and it was like one of those

like a sprint car accident

it was like a sprint car like one of the 24 hour

Le Mans races where you just see just a portion

just fucking

and I mean I come out of that thing

it flipped

230 times it had to

and then I end up up against like a brick

like retaining wall thing

I remember like

at that point in time there's the worst

I thought I was dead I remember like

your knees and elbows is the only thing that's messed up

but you were fucked

you hit it from your parents

the way you hit

injuries back then

I did the just be prepared

are you bleeding?

I don't know where this came from

limping and wall

same exact thing but remember the dingo

the black one

it had this stupid ass

roll cage that came up the back

but it had these big ass ATV tires on the back

little tires on the front so

you and me we took the cage off it eventually

we hot rotted it

it was faster

I did the same shit and it was like the first time

I ever wore a helmet

fortunately in the intersection

on juneberry and

orange brace

it was again like gravelly pavement

just drifting this thing out

and it hit same thing dude

it had to have looked like one of those sprint car

and they walked away with it

but on that the tire comes

hits me in the head, grinds my head and helmet into the ground

and you're just destroyed

I thought I was dead too

no blood at first because this is all white meat

and then it starts pouring

and there is no way you're telling

dad wasn't home but there's no

I'm limping we had to go to dinner that night

I thought my legs were broken

what's wrong nothing I'm fine

I'm good

we all grew up different

at that point

I went in and said I wrecked

I'm hurt I'm bleeding I did this

it wasn't, oh my god are you okay

oh my god little baby come here

let me pamper you

what were you doing

what else was broken what did you screw up

what are we gonna have to pay money on

any of that kind of stuff you ruined pants

you ruined jeans you did this

and it was nuts

I gotta tell you my mother is a saint

for me

she looks like she had it tough

I dumped this

or wrecked that or broke that

but the amount of times I remember one

one specifically so live it out in the country

right in the middle of nowhere

and I didn't have four-wheelers

when I got a little bit older because you could buy

there's a guy up the road that you could buy

a $50 car and that's a lot more

worth and he can fix it

it's got a small block you know whatever

it's a big go-kart

take the glass out put chicken wire in there

so the kid doesn't get hurt we got hundreds of acres behind the house

it's awesome

so I was like I think 11 maybe or so

it was a 1980 Mustang had a four cylinder

those little pieces of shit

but anyway we got that I remember

we brought it home with a vice grip for a steering wheel

we got a steering wheel on it and then off I went

well I took reverse out in like

a half an hour so no more reverse

alright fine well then

I'm sliding it around on the road that we live on

running into the ditch and bringing it sideways

and getting you know because I couldn't really break the tires loose

but I could in the ditch

so I do that and I lose it

and I'm pointed down in the ditch

and I hit a telephone pole not going very fast

but I hit the pole pointed downhill

I got no reverse so I

sneak through the woods into the house tell Ma

and she makes like she has to go get groceries

with the minivan goes a long way around

comes back around pulls me out of the ditch

and then off like nothing happened

I'm sure she told the old man when she got back later

but as far as you know 11 year old

me was concerned like I got it

you know but

it's funny how we grew up

and the stuff you pull and

you get to

having your own kids and

you seem to forget all of those

moments and it's back to

like hey what the hell were you doing

it's funny how you get

especially in

car wise and that young

maybe this is probably we're going to get to the root

of my psychological

damage from long wheel based trucks

but 13 years old

my granddad my mom's dad

they lived in Alabama

we lived in Georgia at that time

so the summers I would go over there

like they would just be like you want to go with your grandparents for the summer

so three months I'm just with them

and I would work construction and stuff with him

he was a fireman and also

you know fireman always has to have you know 17 jobs

can't be a fireman right

so he built houses and stuff too so do that

13 years old I remember the summer

I come over I was 13 and

he's like you need to learn how to drive

absolutely I do I think that's a great idea

and

76 Ford F100 long wheel base

with a 360

and for 360 Ford

not 390 360

it's a real thing

brown two-tone brown on brown

and he's like we'll go drive

and they were out in the country just nothing but dirt roads and stuff like that

and he's like you know how to do it

crank it put it in gear

go drive just don't wreck anything

so you know go and the first time you're just

you know absolutely just driving

normal right well as

you know the weeks go on you're getting the customer

has this driving things not that big of a deal

you waited that long

I mean you start doing stupid things but then you start

getting like oh well

invincible I've read so many magazines

I've watched so many videos like it's

what's how hard is it

but on those dirt roads you start that's when you start

like you're talking about the ditch you know

this thing they have a lot of power it's not like you go power break it

and you know but you can

a little yank you know and then you start getting

oh wow and then you do a little bit

more and you do a little bit more and then that first

time I never hit anything but I remember that first time

it was just like a slow

oh whoa

and then you know it's also a big steering wheel

and you know busted

rag joint so it's you know you got like

300 degrees of play before

it turns and stuff and a bench

so it's just like slow

in the dirt like right through a dirt

intersection stuff that was like

for the for the summer for this summer I think

that's a good night I think we've done enough of that

playing around I was terrified for

my granddad to this is his truck I don't

want to like but it's funny

how you start getting no big deal no big deal

no big deal not the courage

yeah and then a little thing happens you're like

I'm gonna be good I'm just gonna drive this thing back to

put the wheel

it was like this

so

before we get to hunter

you glaze past I've seen

so many and I've heard a few stories

we're at the bouncer security

like that come into play

I mean it through college right like so I went

to college down Chicago and

you know I just worked clubs

and and you know it made

my way through college you know it's it's a

it's a good gig for a for a young man

from spring green to move to the city and

and find yourself you know you make make a lot of friends that way

oh yeah I've had a couple of buddies that did

that for quite some time yeah the stories and

the it's a

you all are often forgotten

about

the VIP access

that you guys really have for the job that you're doing

right yeah it's a cool story

yeah you meet some really interesting people

lifelong friends

and then you know people that

that you have access to that

you know you become close with and yes

some of those some of those VIP

situations that you're

become a part of or privy to

is you know there's some stories for sure

but that carried through

you know carried through my life and

it just was always something that that I enjoyed

and again from just those relationships

that have been maintained for for all

those years you know

it's kind of it's another thing that's kind of in your blood

you know throughout the years

people call you up and like hey you know

I've got a gig and we need somebody to go on the road

with us whatever and that parlays into

you know I've got one of my best friends

owns a venue and and you know

hey you know would you run my security

detail for for the venue

and you know take care of that and then that

you know you see my stuff right where we have

you know different festivals and

and it's just you know that's a fun

a fun side note to

you know to my day-to-day and it's just

it kind of tracks right like you know

we know each other and it's just

it kind of tracks and it's just

it's part of that

you know just being out and

meeting people and spending time with people it's

it's really what I what I thrive on right is

you know making connections and meeting new people

and and and those stories not

for nothing you know they that's one of

Hunter's favorite things that I that I say not

for nothing he used to keep

a time he used to keep a tally

if I if I'd use it more than once inside of

like a paragraph

first time I called him out on it he had to

probably pause for a good two minutes to think of

something new to say

hang up if I don't say not for

nothing but yeah no it's it's fun

and you know it really

it's it's like you know you

you probably heard me say it seem a

bunch of times you know it's like a big family

reunion for for us you know so many people

that we don't get to see except

online throughout the year you're back

together that seem if it's at your party

or if it's just at the show

so many people and it's it's it's

really like a family right it's all it's

hugs and smiles and you know how you

been and you feel like you know what they've been up

to but to have that connection

in person is is really special

and it's the same with with with what I do

in the music industry right like these people that

you've known for decades

you know become really close and

you know especially with touring musicians right like

for them

especially I think having

a grounded friend you know when you come into

your city that you know you hook up

with is is really special especially

you know for these guys that you know I've

got friends that have been on the road 20 30 years

and you know for them to be able

to roll into the Madison area and

you know have a solid

friend we go to dinner and just catch up you know it's

I think that's special and and

it's just a it's an interesting

lifestyle to be to be a part

of sure and to observe you know

you gotta have some good stories from

that certainly

how much more exciting is the hot rod world

in the music industry you know honestly

it's not even a

comparison yeah it's it's

interesting yeah there's there's

certainly some some interesting moments

and honestly just some some amazing

people in both right in

in I think in any industry in any

world any environment no matter what it is

if you really take the time to get

to know the people that are

that are passionate about whatever that

may be I don't care if it's music or cars

or if you go to something completely

completely separate from

that whatsoever glassware right if you

really deep dive into

somebody that is all about

glassmaking in the art of glass and

the history behind it there's some

there's stories to be had everywhere

and I think you guys get that a lot right

with what you do with the podcast

anybody that's passionate about

what they do is always exciting and

they're exciting to talk to you know I

no matter what your passion is if

if you're excited about it like I'm

just that type of person that I get

excited to hearing about it and

passion and drive creates movement and

movement creates stories and events

and things that are memorable if

you're moving and you're not passionate

and you're just going through the motions

it's easy you just you just

bounce through and you don't make any

stories and don't make anything memorable

and it's you're just living versus

driving and on the

the security thing I think

of just listening

it's gonna be a little less fun

for you but way better for us you're

gonna can you do the security for our party

at SEMA next year? Of course yeah

I'll bring a little earpiece and everything

but I'm pretty surprised for a

group of

and I'm included in this

I'm not worried about in the party

but for a bunch of degenerates including myself

miscreants like everybody's very well

behaved right? I'm worried about the

thing that you have nothing that you have no idea

to go on I'm worried about the door

I'm worried about the entry not worried

about any problems going on in the party

it's on the entry side between

you had a few of them? Draze really

screwing up their security staff

couple problems on entry

then we got that part handled and then there's the

the late arrival groups that are just

like absolutely

have no ticket

I'm shit faced but I mean there's

a party going on like I deserve to be in

there right? I just need

yeah that just needs to like be handled

consider it handled

I'm floored nobody ended up in the pools

yeah that was my first

thought like oh that's gonna be filled with people

I'm sure

there is a whole world growing up

30 minutes 30 minutes longer it was the pool

was happening we're getting there yeah it was trending

that way

yeah alright good

you said it on there so it's happening

on that like musicians

give me somebody who's a bad

ass musicians Taylor Swift

what's somebody cool

that you've worked with or a cool store

give me something I love

concerts music like I always

talk about this if not that I have

musical talent but it's the one thing that entices

me that if I didn't do this

I would love to be like a broke

traveling musician living on the road

yeah I mean I got it it appeals to me

I've got a ton of those you know but one

I guess it's uh that's you know it's

safe for uh you know safe for the

podcast right um and it's just

it's just a cool story out of you and a

relevant band to now because I mean I've

I work with with rock country

you know with

female rock art we've had

Joan Jett we've had George

good you know Trace Atkins

I've got uh Clint black coming up

here in a couple weeks um just

had um um Jody Messina

you know Brett Michael

Sebastian Bach

you know Whitey Morgan in the 78s

Whitey's great yeah that's awesome

Whitey Whitey

Whitey's concert and the

security needed for that is completely different than

current Clint black flans absolutely

Whitey's also like seven feet tall

I'll tell you

one that was a problem um so

the first time so we've had Jesse James

a number of times with Jackal

the first time we had him at the venue

um our

bar manager severely underestimated

the drinking abilities

of Jackal fans

during the opener we ran out

of beer and every one

of the 2100 people in the venue switched

to brown liquor

during the opener okay that

became a problem

that was the

we should have just taken the doors off

because the number of times that I had

to open the front door with somebody's head

was was significant

it was a lot of

people that weren't accustomed to drinking that much

whiskey um that was that was

a problem but um but no

whiskey Myers if you know whiskey Myers so

this was a pretty cool story

so everybody remembers COVID right there

was no music venues were shut down

like it was a problem um where

we are in Wisconsin is a

um you know a high tourism area

and um we've got this great

venue and nobody's touring

we haven't been open and

um my friend reached out

to uh to whiskey and we're just

talking about you know what we're gonna do

and how we're gonna do it and

they were like you know this is the tail end of

COVID nobody did nobody had a live show yet

and um they're like you know

we we want to do it and

we kind of talk to the city and they're like you know I can

let's do it so we

had the first uh live

concert in the state of Wisconsin

post COVID and that was whiskey Myers which

we could have never gotten

at any other time

because they're they're just that big right

um they're much bigger than our venue

but nobody's playing no venues are open

and um they made a concession

to like you guys are willing to like we want to play

some music and you guys

are willing to open your doors and we

we did it we we made it out

we made an outdoor concert so it's like the

backside of the the venues we were able to use

all of our equipment and stuff but uh

and it was great we had a pile of people there

and the electricity in the air

for the you know after two years

of no live music and then if you know

whiskey Myers right like I mean they just yeah

they came out just like they were

playing for their lives where do we see him

Indianapolis yeah with some right that was

like that might have been their next show

yeah either was it before

that was after code that was like

because everything was like shut down

I thought that was like the tail end of

covid it was it was because

it was weird going we saw

it Indianapolis somewhere

outdoor venue with Jamie uh Jamie

Johnson yep yeah

whiskey Myers the Jeff

how am I Jeff hog the

drummer for whiskey Myers he's a he's

a car guy yeah he's a

truck built and stuff like that so many

car guys in music

I don't know why he didn't reach out and get a chassis

we've actually spoke a couple of times so

I won't hold that completely against him but yeah

he's a he's a drummer for whiskey Myers

and it's like in the

hot rods and muscle cars and shit like that

yeah they do put on

a yeah the show

or I saw him again where the hell is today

I've seen him twice it's probably

at the uh bourbon thing yeah

bourbon beyond I think they played out there

yeah great what were we gonna say hunter I'm

sorry I could rudely interrupt

sorry I was just here the beverage that

you had to pull in

I'm sorry

the I thought you had like

so a lot of beer see I did oh yeah

yeah we had to you know we had

to keep these people filled

up so yeah we ended up having to call

like other venues right

in like hey can like what can

we buy your cooler like we're just out of stuff

and it's just it's wild and that's

kind of stuff happens all the time people don't realize it right they're just

at the bar all you're out of there but there's just

there's I know you and your team

are confident in your

abilities right you're confident and you're working together

it was was that a time

to where you're like hey it's a

law of averages I mean there's probably gonna be

one fucking bad apple in every 30

that we're gonna have to handle but then when the

entire crowd you're like

once they start figuring out there's

power in numbers like there's there's only

like 12 of us yeah no it's

you know at the end of the day I mean people are there to have a good time

right but but certainly

that was it got spicy

so how do you like I'm trying to think how do

you train for that is that

like you put like sweat pants

on is it jazz dance you work on ripping

people's throats out you practice that

like how do you watch that movie over and over

you know honestly what's the

honestly 99%

of it is in communication

right you

can deescalate anything

because here's the here's the deal with any of those

situations

99.999% of the time the problem

doesn't exist with

security it's it's some issue that's happening

amongst some people that are there right

and you can come into it

and inflame that

problem or you can

separate and try to you know

talk it down and there's people that just don't

don't want to have any of it and they're just

they're just angry at the world

and whoever happens to be in front of them and that's

that's a different situation but

but really you know having people

skills I don't care what industry you're

in or what your job is

you know you can get a long way with

being able to talk to people and being able

to to to know how to

in the moment how to adjust

your your speech to whoever it is you

happen to be talking to right because there's times where

a calm tone is

going to be the the path and there's other times

where you you have to be the

bark louder you know and

but but generally

just it just comes down to knowing how to talk to people

we had out there again another

Seema story this this this year Seema

we had

one of the nights on a Tuesday Wednesday night

um

maybe Wednesday night anyway the night started

rolling on and you know you know

you uh like as a

snowball rolls downhill you start picking up people

in the group right group starts getting bigger

and uh

then you start not having a place to

drink at the group

size that you have right so

we're at the cosmo um

started getting a little bit uncomfortable at the

at the bar there and so like that so

chairs like we need to see if we can

get a table at the uh

barbershop right so barbershops will speak

easy in the back of the barbershop there

got a live band stuff so go there

there about 30 minutes from opening

make a reservation sweet talk the guy

made a little deal so we get

a group in well now that group has even gotten

larger right he was very nice

and he's like this is your cap right so

we got to that cap and more people are

coming in with the group anyway

great night the guy

you know we have everything handled

he's the main security guy

this dude no lie I asked him how tall he was

so he was six seven right um

and he went like three eighty three ninety

um

awesome dude super fucking

cool took care of everything right

he's man and they're kind of like our group

and stuff and like 20 minutes

into it or whatever he grabs me he's like hey man

let me know he said I just want to let you know

if you got any trouble let me know

and I was like

I said is there

trouble that breaks out in your vicinity

because I'm pretty sure right just the

side of you he's like oh you'd be surprised

so then we know I can't

smoke in there so I smoke I had to pop out and

smoke so he was always man in the door and we

shoot the shit when I was smoking stuff so got to talk

to him a little bit and I was like you

seriously like there's

nobody that wants to fuck with you he's like

really amazed at what people do when they

get drunk enough and they said

luckily I've got the size and he said

sometimes it gets a little fun you can just

kind of toss them like a rag doll and sometimes

you just got to do that and I'm looking at the

dude and like you have your this is your calling

yeah it's funny so I've got

and I've got a guy on my team

and he his name's Ryan also he's

big Ryan okay I'm regular Ryan

and it's funny because you know

I'll talk about big Ryan and people a

lot of times will be like in what world

is that a big fucking dude

right so big Ryan is

seven way small I've given you a shit

right you're way smaller now than used to

be yeah I mean but you're looking good

thank you thank you thank you yeah

yeah but no big Ryan goes seven one

and in combat boots

and yeah it's

he's a seven seven

changes things right when you put the seven

the front right seven changes

things no it's funny because I'm normal

Ryan stature yeah

so big dude yeah he's

he's enormous and it's funny because people is like

oh yeah I that tracks

I see why you call him big Ryan like it's I mean

like I remember one time he was at my house

and

eight-foot ceilings right in the living room and ceiling

fan and the fan is off

but the blades like you stand in there and the blades are

on either side of his head

his eight-foot ceiling ceiling fan drops down and

it's you know just that's just normal just a different

way of life though you gotta admit that's got to be a

different way of life well certainly

I one of my favorite pictures of big rise so we

have my buddy actually the one that owns

the venue where at his house we're doing a cookout and stuff

and all the seats and tables

were all taken and he's kind of standing

with the plate and we we're just kind of

watching him for a moment he sets his plate on top

of the normal sized refrigerator

and then just sat there

hahaha

no granted it wasn't down I mean it was it was up here

but it was still I took a picture of it he's

it's you know it's like here and he's just

using the top of a normal refrigerator for

a place to put his plate

I would just love to see a montage

of the videos of like

it's getting out of hand

two dudes are about to go at it

or they're going at it you know a hand

on the shoulder and before the dude

turns around he's like I'm ready to go

I don't care if it's a security and then oh yeah

yeah well fuck

okay whatever you say

sir whatever you

say right a montage of cousin

Mikey leaving that night

he got he got I feel like

I've never been in that situation I've always

been just like even in my

worst nights I'm still like with it

and respectful oh yeah and Mikey

that motherfucker just

off the deep end dude he

that I said that guy was

this close to yanking him

out of it he did get yank cousin

Mikey just quickly disappeared

he doesn't have but one you've met

cousin Mikey before yeah yeah yeah he

was gone and he has no recollection

of how he got gone

but his

behavior

definitely would

require or prompt a guy

like that to extract him from

he got extracted I mean it's obvious

he was there and then he wasn't

you're telling me as long as

all of us have known cousin Mikey

when has he ever made a responsible choice

and removed himself from a situation when

he's been over served the only

reason he was there and not there

is because he got bounced

yeah he got bounced

Hunter

so much to unpack

obviously your story is you were born

into this right Hunter ring right

we're going to go through all different

types of stuff when was the first time

that you have a memory of

understanding

what your family business was

what you did

what age what you know what was going

on I mean it's kind of interesting because obviously

grew up around the shop and all that

but

it wasn't until

pretty late did I

register it because

growing up around what they did

just totally changed

how I saw

classic cars so it took me

a very long time to actually appreciate

the

prudeness that came with like the older

classics just because

of how refined they

built stuff so I just

saw that as the norm

they always started this way but they always ended

this way just what you start

with right exactly so but

you're at your you said you're 32

correct so I mean

you had the

opportunity to still be

a young young boy

prior to

your dad your uncle really

sort of making a name for

themselves right like they were correct

like I remember they were cutting their teeth

like in the early

2000s mid 2000s

I remember being in like my mom's

office in her house and coming up with

the name ring brothers and going through

logo designs and all that so I very much

remember that and like I don't know if

you guys remember some of the older cars

like Lucy which was a red convertible

or a black one called Kona like

we actually named Kona

after our dog Kona

and getting

ride-alongs with my dad in that car

and kind of having

that level engagement

with the company

how old were you at that point

probably eight or so

that was the Kona was when I met

your old man at

good guys Columbus I think

but as far as like

actually getting involved

it was within the last

three years whenever somebody asked

it's in officially 32 years

and officially about three years

so through that time

high school and all that

what was your in your mind

career path which what's your plan

you see what they're doing is cool

I always love the company

but they kind of pushed

all three of us kids away from it to some

degree they wanted us to create

our own path in our own life

and not get kind of

felt like we had to follow

the family business

so I grew up

and went to college

for construction

kind of following more of my grandpa's path

because he owned a construction company

out in California

so did a little

work ship with them thought that was really cool

seeing all different projects, different buildings

all that so went that route

graduated college for that

moved actually out to Arizona

for a handful of years working for

a big mechanical company

doing intel data centers

hospitals, facebook

superconductor plants and all that

so

gained

kind of a management skill set through that company

and through that college experience

and actually

the only reason I really

got part of the family business

was through a

random customer at SEMA

so in my

random off time

of work and college

I always helped at SEMA

so just as like an extra hand talking to people

would come to SEMA

and just kind of like speak about the car

speak about what we had

kind of like get a little impromptu from the guys

as far as like what have and trying to regurgitate as best as I could

run security before you have

obviously

break out

kind of just starting to hit

a wall on the construction

side and

coincidentally

one of the people that I talked to that previous year

at SEMA had reached out to

my mom about future projects

and other things that they wanted to work through with

ring brothers

and they actually mentioned

how much

they appreciated talking to me during that time

and

right around when that was happening

their current sales manager

and operations manager was

indicating that

they were looking to move on in the

short future

so they had a conversation internally

with Jim and Peggy about

potentially bringing me on board

and trying to train me into that position

so kind of how I fell into it

that's cool man

you hit the ground running that's for sure

I'm more inch I mean

that's all fucking awesome but I'm more

interested in

like you

just because

when you have kids

you think about this stuff like I remember growing up

and like you know sort of

like the pedestal you put your father on

and like you see what he does and you grow up around

like his cars and his projects

I mean what's that what was that like

at a 8 to

12 year old

your dad's building some of the coolest shit out there

now at this point

established themselves

I mean how does it how does a kid

like you how are you looking at your

dad and your uncle like is this like

dude like your

semi-small town or your friends like

oh man Hunter's dad

like he's he builds the

coolest fucking cars are you like

are you into it or are you playing video games

well he wasn't that old then

but at that point are you playing

video games do you not fucking care

is that like did you hear dad

coming down the driveway in this

nasty Mustang like what's

there's no right or wrong answer

I mean like the answer to that

evolved as time went on

so like yeah in high school I loved it

I always thought it was fun being around like the cool cars

and getting to take

the Winnebago to high school and pick up

a bunch of friends and drive that to different

events I picked up a bunch of friends

so like it definitely always evolved

but I don't know if I really

grasp the magnitude of what

they've built for themselves until

I got out of high school

and into college and actually

experienced people outside of our little

spring green area so like

going to Arizona

and seeing

a shelf stocker from Home Depot

recognize a ring brother's

logo and we now have a

10 minute conversation about

my dad's company or

going to college and having our

students recognize our logo

and be thrilled that he's

now got a ring

brother's son at

his university like

as those experiences

continue

I think it just

dawned on me how much cooler

they've built but

to your degree

of course you always put your dad on a pot of stone

I always loved what he did and I thought it was so fun

I did always love going to the shop and

like being around the cars and seeing it

and Dragon was the first one

that I ever got to like drive even though

I was just moving it around

those little bit obviously

stick with you and sure

it's probably what brought me back

at the end. You would take anything to

school, pull up

and the Winnebago is probably the only

one. That was

probably the most dangerous though. That thing was

so fun.

Having

the dean know

and having a random stock person or whatever

those are like moments like you said those are starting to be triggers

where you're like ah

we're part of something bigger than I gave it

credit for

your

both of your memory the first time that

you said oh wow this is bigger

I think is the famous

actually probably the same place we were just at

a couple weeks ago right? Is that

still the same? Is that the first time

where you're like that was the first time

we were ever recognized. Right. Yeah.

And that was in

Vegas. Yeah.

At a gentlemen's club in Vegas.

But that's not

it's a great story. It is

a great story that was pretty cool.

But it's everybody's got those

memories where it's like

it's a snapshot of like oh hold on pause

for a second this is

bigger than I've given it credit for.

You don't get a big head

you don't like stop working and whatever

it's a it's like a pause in time

for your mind to

try and recalibrate

the interest or the

the where you've been placing yourself

right you know it probably needs to recalibrate

a little bit. Your t-shirt

the recognition at that show.

Oh fuck I forgot about

that. That was a good one.

That was a really good one. Yeah we were at

we went to a cultural wall concert downtown

it was at the you've probably done this event

where the

the Chicago Auditorium.

That place is cool. Cool as shit.

We're sitting there. We came straight

from work to get to there in time

and we're the three of us

and Kyle's sitting there and

I came straight from work out of an oil and whiskey shirt on

right we're just sitting there drinking

and you can hear mumbling in the back right

and this guy finally taps on the show and he's like

hey do you think I shouldn't podcast

and the other buddy's like dude

they're fucking tell him that he's fucking stupid

like oh actually yeah he's

he's you guys. So that was really really fucking cool

right. Talked to him. He was fucking amazing

local you know

and he's a welder

worked for Caterpillar and that stuff and he listens to the podcast

all the time. My

my proud moment that I was going to go with

was my daughter

right in college

sorority. They did it. They do a sorority

and fraternity what they do all you know they do

a party Tuesday night Wednesday night Thursday night

whatever you know it's fucking party time

there's a couple of years ago

and

you know Maddox real well right you know Maddox

is

she knows how to she knows

the inner workings of life better than

most kids at that age

than most people right and

but she plays it cool and she knows

she's very much

like me right and she's got a lot

of skill. Better looking. Oh of course

right completely she got

that from her mama not from me

there was a time and

my wife told me about this my daughter

didn't tell me about this

they're having this party and they're at

one of the fraternity houses and

you know they get into stories about cars

right well one of the girls brought up

like well you need to talk to Maddox you know

her dad they build cars they do

this blah blah well then a couple of the other

like frat boys whatever like oh yeah

okay well my dad's built this and they start

pulling up pictures on the TV

of my dad's got this car

and this guy and other guys like well

yeah my dad's had this car built and this stuff

so it's cool Maddox

you know she's cool she's like

at one point I'd kind of like alright

it's every you know it's like a bar story

right oh you think that fish was big

wait about this so then she just it was

like a week after we'd done

Rogan's podcast right so she just

pulls up the podcast and

just starts playing as everybody's talking

like what's this oh that's my dad he's

there with Joe Rogan

you're like wait oh no

what did you say about him in his cars

it was just like that she's like alright

I had enough and

I don't want to she's not that type of person

but she you know sometimes you just like

alright you're not listening to me like

we're all talking about our dads and cars

and you're not listening to me so let me just show

that was a cool like oh you forget

about those kind of things it's like yeah

that's really cool I had something similar to my daughters

she went to Milwaukee she's

actually next

next month to be graduating with her

masters so I'm yeah

shout out to her for being way smarter

neural man good but

but anyway no number of times

like she'd have like a ring brother

shirt or like a you know jacket hoodie

hat whatever you know and stuff and she

bartending on Brady Street through college

in Milwaukee there it's the big you know

Brady Street walk anyway and

a number of different times like she would

like it had sent me a text

or whatever and it would be somebody that

noticed the hat right same for like you

were talking to her like notice the the logo

and be like what do you like what do you

know about ring brothers like oh my dad

and I fab guy Ryan's your dad like

you know it's because there's it's just

it's a marker right there's very little we get

to right to give them right and

when they get that it's great right it

really is it's it's it's it's a

really special feeling and it's a it's a

proud dad moment right where you like

it's you know it's it's it and I'm

sure you hope right that that she

like I'm sure your daughter did like felt

like you know what Mike dropped this my dad

oh yeah it's Joe Rogan no big deal yeah

that's you know Joe Rogan's with my dad

how about that yeah she didn't go into the

years of trauma she's like well I never saw him

till I was like 13 years old because he was doing all that

that's fine it made up for all those years

right right yeah take the win

100% I think one of my favorites

is actually when I was still working in

Arizona we were just happenstance

within our little office talking about

ring brothers and like what we do and

all that and sure that was

shortly before we were about to step into

a kind of sales pitch meeting

with Milwaukee tool

and trying to use a bunch of their tools for

the project and

happen to be wearing like a ring

brothers hoodie walking into that meeting

and one of the main people running the show

asked how I was

how I knew ring brothers and I

obviously told him it was my dad and he

freaked out kind of just

lost his mind and like

prior to that everybody thought

I was joking whenever I said there was like

people that recognized the logo and all that

and now they get to all see in person that

there's like actually people that are

following that group

well I run into

with honestly with the

ring brothers name

probably more so than most

other like

things in the hot rod industry like I

figure about it for people

absent of the hot rod industry like a good

thing in mind like brought it up out of

nowhere like dude like

I know what you guys do this like you guys

doing like Carson you're the ring brothers

these guys are fucking awesome

you know those guys dude

like we do stuff kind of like that too

like

the logos in the back of all like the

Honda

I did what I brought this up for a

specific reason I don't want this to I

don't want people to listen that maybe

brought came in at a different time this

is not what this is about I brought it

up very specifically because of a

moment that me and Phil had

at the at Vegas

and he made me think about something

and I thought about it we've done

this is actually

another bit of news this is like

197 or 198 we're coming up

on 200 podcast right so

some specials coming for 200

but we've talked so much

to so many different builders and

the you know so much good so

many great stories and

we hear so much great feedback from

from people have been in the industry for a long

time people that aren't in the industry that's just like

I just like to consume this and get to know these people

for so long

everybody's been purposely

steering away

from talking about themselves nobody wants to

to come across as having ego

right nobody wants to come across as bragging nobody

wants to come across as like I got this this

there's there's a way to do it

the right way and then most people do it the wrong

way right you're like I'm dude I'm sick of hearing about the

awards and sick of hearing about the that your accomplishments

but for

for quite some time everybody's gone the opposite

direction and downplay everything

downplay every accomplishment downplay

everything never want to come across

as being proud of what you've done

for it being taken the wrong way

I think that there's a proper level

to do that but I think we've

everybody's done themselves a disservice because when

you do that for so long

and you become so ingrained to make sure that nobody

thinks that you're having ego

nobody thinks that you're resting on whatever

current accomplishment every builder that comes

on here is like I'm not worried about that car I'm

worried about the next one I'm not worried about that award

I'm worried about the next one that's great all those

are great things to say we're at the party

was winding down

we're at the backside looking at all these

people we're looking at you guys we're looking

at all these great fucking builders

and a very emotional moment

of like man this is fucking awesome

we're looking very specifically at the

at the high

wall there in between the thing and you've got

Troy Japan yeah you got Adam

you've got

Ellen Johnson you've got Angie Johnson

Bobby Allaway Cindy

they're all in a line having the time of their lives

dancing having fun

these are all people that we

have all looked up to and wanted

to just even have a conversation with

never would we think that they'd be

partying and having that much fucking fun

especially as reserved as most of these people are

and all these conversations are like oh yeah

Alan Johnson you know he doesn't want to talk to

anybody he's an asshole

look he's having the fucking time of his life

right and Phil said he said this is a

time to stop and smell the roses

and it hit me like a ton of bricks of

100% right

we always

because even when we were talking the conversation

we mentioned it

but I'm talking about next year

hey next year we need to do this

we need to change this I didn't like the flow of this

we got to do this

cause we're not even worried about like what's happening

worried about how to make it better next year

and I didn't like the way this is doing and he said

it's time to stop and smell this is the time to stop

and smell the roses so I think it's very

important that there's times when we

have these discussions we talk about when's

the time that you were like

puff that chest out not in a bad way

be proud be proud

your daughter was proud my daughter's proud

your son's proud all the time your kids are proud all the time

there's times when you can do it

in a proper way and say

you know what all that fucking hard

work paid off

not going to rub it in anybody's face

but I'm going to at least take the three minutes

to be happy for myself

and talk about it now let's move on

let's kick ass and let's do the next thing

I think it's important to

talk about those moments and other people

that are out there

there's a right way to be like

I feel like crying and cheering at the same time

I want to clap

awesome speech I think it's

important

I agree

you dismiss everything

you dismiss it quickly because we're always

all of us are kind of the same

you're not going to

uh

live in that stardom

that you got from that ass and martin

I mean the press the feedback is amazing

I

I know you guys like you probably went right

back to the fucking shop on Monday

there's work to do dude like there's

other cars to build and it is

it's not like I fucking

built this ass to martin

like bring me some sausages

like we are in spring green

I want some good sausages

like it is

it's fucking let's get the fuck to work

there's more cars to build

hammer down like

but to Josh's point maybe

give yourself a minute maybe it's the night

maybe it's the night of the party maybe it's whatever it is

just make sure that

everybody gives themselves that moment

because we've the other thing we've talked about in this

podcast all the time of

you know the saying that

I wish somebody would tell us in the

moment that these are the good old days

instead of thinking back about the good old days

because everybody's got those stories that was the most

fucking fun and you think back about

doing it but in the moment that you're doing it

you know you're either worried about

the next thing or somebody comes up and gives you

a compliment and you know we're all

awkward and we don't know how to take a compliment

you're like oh yeah yeah yeah

you don't have to be like you're damn right

it's the best motherfucking car you've ever seen

there's a proper level of being like

man I really appreciate it

this is probably the best one that we think we've ever done

it means a lot to me doing that

and then sit there take it in smell the roses

realize that these are the good old days

seven minutes I'd give it like

it's an interesting number but at seven

minutes it's good don't take it to double digits

like ten minutes you're starting to get a little

better we've heard enough

we've heard enough

and with that I will say that

in reflection

I know that I had that moment

and it was a quiet moment

for myself and you guys were there for it

you just didn't realize it

when we were at the track and that car was going around

I took a moment

nobody's talking right you guys

were kind of down by the wall

Mike and Nancy

were kind of at the

base of the tower

Jim was second floor with Peggy

Hunter was kind of by Mike and Nancy

we're all just

and nobody was talking we're all just watching

and that was

that was a marker for me of like

that's like that's cool

that's our car out there and

Ben Collins is

like it's not just some

Uber driver like running around for a photo shoot

like that's one of the

premier car drivers on the planet

is out pushing that car

and hearing them break it loose in the corners

like that's like

you know what and it's doing the thing

it's doing it well it's doing the thing

there was a lot of nerves going into that first corner

but I mean that was really

it was I in that moment

it was just for a second I kind of looked at everybody

to see I just I was curious what

you know if we're biting fingernails

what we're doing and everybody was just locked in

and that was that was

you guys included that was just that was special

and

I still I brought it up

I don't know how many times in the interviews

during SEMA with

what he said the first time when he came in

about it's too stable

I looked at Josh I'm like can we can we get him to say that again

but like put a roaster shop shirt on

and one more time but louder

I've never heard that

statement

in a negative

the way he was kind of like

you know you're asking for things that we should change

it's too stable

it's too predictable it doesn't do anything scary

it's like you know what

those tits are too big

and she's too hot and the nipples are perfect

it's weird

I don't know what to do about that

that whole experience

I don't know

I think you guys need to step back and like

really really think about that

what you guys accomplished there because that

that's fucking unbelievable really

like when you think we've been around

the autocross world

and the road race kind of world

for a long time with some of the cars we've done

and you watch

it takes a long time

to build a car and bring it out

and make it work and make it perform

and get it around

like a road course

a road course is fucking violent

on a car right

how many cars were built for that track back in the day

for the Optima thing

it's a dedicated

Optima challenge

like I'm winning Optima challenge

I have this car sorted I've spent

this is my third Optima car

it's out here to win

and fails out of the gate

because of a mechanical error

to bring a car of that caliber out there

and have it do what it did

almost effortlessly

that's fucking wildly

impressive

and then show up at the show

I think that was the coolest part

but that was the only indication

that the only indication

that the cars been punished

like the car showed

beautifully

and we did a trailer between the two

I was just gonna say

that we were at the track with

all those exotics and getting compliments

from a true

exotics car manufacturer

that to me was super special

and then to then drive it

from the track and do

driving video shoots with it

during sunset and then drive it to Vegas

and

never once did it get back in the trailer

until after SEMA

that's what I was just gonna say that was another

special moment I think Hunter and I

were in the duly with the trailer

and we're an hour

and five minutes from Vegas

and we're following the

Aston Martin through the desert at sunset

with the Stig driving

and it's one of those like if I wasn't

actively driving the truck

you just kind of, you just have to sit back

and just like observe

and that was just really special

just honestly just seeing that car out in the wild

no

no people

talking, no interviews, no

video, no TV stuff

we're just following the car we built

through the desert at sunset

it was honestly

not to make too much of it but it was

an underlying spiritual experience of just

watching this thing that was

a pile of nothing 18 months ago

is now being driven by that guy

through the desert

you should make a big deal about it

and it also goes to show

where the industry has evolved to

where you guys and a lot of other builders have evolved to

because you think, one

like you said, you raced it

you tracked it, you had somebody else track it

you didn't track it, you had somebody else track it

sometimes when you track it

you don't want to show that it tracks

but I know the car

you had somebody else track it

that's also doing a video

to show how hard they're pushing it

so their whole

goal is to push it hard

Ben's whole goal was to push it hard

he pushed it hard, it did it

this is all before the show

you do that at the show, then you drive it to the show

and then you do the show

good guys Columbus

we brought that up so many times

you would get to the show

and then hope it would drive to the booth

and then you're looking at the thing

like if we can just get to there

that's the difference

think about that dichotomy

that whole shift

of let's just get to Columbus

hopefully we get some notoriety

some pick and if it does get through awards

it should make it through there

we might have to shut it off

if it's sitting there for too long

let's just get through and get to our awards

and then we'll get back and we'll start driving it

it's not a shift

some people have evolved

there's still

I promise you there's a group of people

doing that exact same thing

that are sweating bullets

just

it's sick that that car makes it

through that Columbus

builder's choice

but there's less than there was

people have gotten better

the manufacturers are getting better

the customers demand more

there's less puddles of coolant

100% there's less

but that is still

don't make light of that

that's

crazy

I don't know that anybody's ever done that

how is it for you guys seeing

something like that with your system in it

I think

we were probably

more in line

with your uncle's

attitude

and mental state

on the nervous side

your dad was cool as fuck

he's out there and he's just like

ah they're fucking running this car

that was the second half

first half not so much

Jim was

fucking nervous

he was nervous

and for us it's like

I'm confident in what we built

for you guys

we did with the coil overs and stuff

and I got to drive the car

I know the car was planted

had we not done that

I would have been

way more nervous

that's not a dig at anybody

it would be like

it went to the coil

and now they're doing this

having the ability to drive it

and do the testing

they're not fucking completely out of their minds

it's a little different

in our position that

there's a lot of components wise

that crosses over from a lot of stuff we've done

it's a pretty

proven package we're pretty confident in it

if it was my

car that I built the car

I'd be right there next to your uncle

sweating fucking bullets

nervous as shit because that's

dude it's a lot

there's so many things that can go wrong

you as the fabricator and the guy behind it

you know the working

components

things take a long time to flush out

they just do

I don't care how good you are

but for something to go out there

and just do what that did

honestly I was more worried about that drone

cranking it

that guy was not

stupid

my favorite one I can't wait to see the video

when it comes out

Ben was going 100 miles an hour

and he came up over the top of the car

in the hood and spun the camera around

to watch Ben as they're going through corners

and then

shot 200 feet straight up

just watching it like the playback

made me queasy

my favorite was when

he was doing the sunset shoot

and he went flying up with his drone

dive bomb past like a street sign

behind our park trailer

comes tailing behind the

Aston going probably 60-70 miles an hour

and then

drags along the side at probably

window height or lower

and then within what looked

like probably four feet of the nose

comes shooting across the front of the car

and comes

sitting over the top and just follows back

and lets it go

I've flown a lot of drones trying to do stuff here

and flown them into a lot of things

and that little thing can go like

120 miles an hour I believe you said

carrying a drone or carrying a camera

probably the size we got mounted here

that was another one of

a mini lessons in my life

of don't judge a book by its cover

because earlier when we got there

I saw him walking through

and I'm like what the fuck is this dude doing

and he's got the chest rig on

and he's kind of like trying to be like a fighter pilot

I'm like there's fucking no jets around here

and then I'm like oh he's with the camera crew

why is he fucking dressing like this dude

fucking douche like seriously

and he's got the great mustache and I'm like

then I saw him like rig up

and he's got the headset on

and I see the thing and I'm like

oh you can

absolutely you are a fighter pilot

holy shit that shit is

fucking amazing it was wild too because you got

a different guy that's operating the camera

and those two the way I was explaining to people

it's like if you've ever seen the videos of the blue angel pilots

when they're sitting at a table

like pre like going through their flight routine

and talking through like

I've watched that documentary that's great

so that's all those two were talking to each other

and timing because he's

like telling that dude like I'm about to go

you know straight up

a hundred feet and then I'm going to dive bomb

the nose and come around and the camera guy needs to know

what the hell is going on

it was wildly impressive

I mean honestly when you talk about it that way

I get like double Dutch rudder vibes

but it's like somebody else is doing

it feels like somebody else is doing it

step

somebody else is doing it

is doing it

side note that

Zinger that silver one that was there

that we saw you know who that was

no Owen Wilson

was it really just got got popped on the

Instagram even driving through on rodeo

drive the blue the silver with the blue interior

and stuff killer car is

raising some

wild cars there

yep yeah that was my

spiritual moment as we were driving in after getting lost

in the parking lot for 25 minutes trying to

figure out where to go

your mom not knowing how to use a cell phone

your dad

still using a flip phone

he officially just got an iPhone

but he left it at home

he left it at home the whole trip for Vegas

I mean that doesn't help when he leaves it dead

because he doesn't know how to charge it

when did he transition from a pager to a flip phone

that's a good question

I couldn't tell you that one that's probably been a while

can't be that long

five years max I'm guessing

like oh hey just

page Mike back in the shop

he's got a question for you

he's got a backpack fax machine

with a power bank

9-1-1

what was your moment

like we drove in and you're like oh shit there's

a conus egg

oh there's six of them

there's three Bugattis there's the

SSC

SSC yeah

and then three of them

and then you're like oh there's two McLaren

a Senna GTR

with like the

Marlboro Liberli

and you're like oh shit there's the Ring Brothers

and they're like fuck this is like the coolest of the cool cars

yeah it really was

and like you guys were holding your own in

five million dollar

car land over there of just like

the unobtainium

that's the worst time to read exotics

stupidest

stupidest thing ever

we decided which it was fun

in hindsight it was fun

the trip there and back was fun

the idea wasn't of being cool

it was just poor timing

we had to get there and we had no cars

so we're like let's work out here early

we worked our asses off

getting to the show to do what we did

and we're like let's fucking treat ourselves

on paper when you go to the website

it looks reasonable

we're like we're fucking running a couple exotic

cars because we're going all the way up to Trump

we've been up there before

granted by just so everybody knows

we had a four and a half hour delay out of O'Hare

we checked into the rooms

at 1.30 that morning

1.30 Friday morning

and then we were at this rental car place

it was 2.30

it was 2.30 by the time you were up in the room

okay by the time I checked in

so 2.30 we lay our heads down

we meet back in the lobby

to go to this rental car place at 4.45

right

so that's how much sleep

has been had

because you were there at 7.38

so we thought

this would be fucking awesome

we're going to enjoy ourselves

we're going to splurge a little bit

it's a great road

we're running exotic cars dude

so we get a

488

and McClaren 750S

is that what it's called

you go to the website dude

it's not pretty clear

okay it's expensive

it's justifiable

well

the fees

after you

swipe that credit card

and you think that you have rented said vehicle

the fees

well they

they pitch it as dude

I'm going to give you the

high mileage package for the day

at any rate

the massive expense

aside it was fucking fun as hell

488

and McClaren up there we switched back and forth

I think max speed was like 170

that we hit

going down the track

way better in the McClaren than it was the Ferrari

yeah the Ferrari

little dicey little floaty

at high speeds

on the track

McClaren planted dude

that car was planted

but we pulled in

they were like fuck I mean they were rental cars

but

it's again the whole the point

of the story is like man this is really fun

was not doing it

to show anybody it was just the experience

drive out there you know it's an hour drive

that's a fun ass road we've done it many times

it's 6 30 in the morning

on a Friday morning driving through the desert of

Vegas what better thing to do than

and rip some exotic cars

so then we're just trying to find you guys

oh we're around here so we're like oh great

we're gonna pull up one of the little casitas

or whatever and hang well you round the corner

and it's all those cars that Phil just

described and everybody's out so you're like

back up

back up back up park down there

no point in time would you have

it would have been fine

you pull up in a rental car and it's just a rental car

but you pull up in a used

rental 488

and a used rental McClaren

750 you're like

at least the 750 was fairly new

who ordered the rental cars the guys

down there started to bring them up here

I noticed you were parked down

we didn't exactly

we were in the cheap seats

pulled up there and seen that group

of cars

that will go down in history

is one of my craziest memories

going to the SEMA show afterwards

dude it was like

what do you see there that

compared like those

look at the fucking top even that

SSC

that was quite an experience

because that car I've followed it a lot

on Instagram

you know it got like there was some

there's some bad press

from some people like talking smack about it

so you know the drama kind of

gets to you and like

you see that car in person

that fucking car is

unbelievable

from like engineering quality

fit and finish

even the performance like that was

hands off to those dudes because

out of that whole group of cars

it was you guys

that there was a GT3

which is a fucking purebred race car

you know GT3 RS

that's the track dude

there was one guy in a newer

the newer Ford GT

and then

that SSC

and they were kicking the crap

out of those cars and that thing coming on that back

straight was wild

to watch it

I understand now as a customer

you know and he's got

I'll say I think the

SST was awesome

the Zinger

mind blowing

it was mind blowing to me the

level of fit and finish I wasn't prepared

for that I'd been following that one

and I knew it was going to be good

but I once you see a couple of things

that you're like oh whoa

then you really like just like

finger fuck the fuck out of it without touching it

you know you're starting to like alright let me see

that's actually pretty cool about the Zinger

so they debuted that one at the coil as well

but when they showcased that they also showcased

another one which is their race car

that race car

set five track

records at five different tracks

in five days and drove it from track to track

well and actually

they went off and tore off part

of the mirrors and stuff and they showcased

it during quail with the damage

because it was cool

I was just not prepared for that

level of

I mean that car

that car beats

every riddler car for the last 15 fucking years

on fit and finish

you got to see it next to Bugatti

Veyron's and Shyron's

or whatever they are

and you're measuring it again it's a

completely different I mean you're seeing

the backside of the inside of stuff

you know and you're like

how the hell did they do that

right um

performance styling all that all that's great

I'm just saying how

the things built I mean things that are rubbed out

like car builders like us would go to look at

um

and if I know like oh yeah we designed the engine

as well we made our own engine from scratch

they are

that's a nuts so company

cool ah shit

I started digging into it a little bit there's

it's crazy weirdness

in a good way

yeah intelligence

dude that amount of intelligence

wrapped up in that intelligent

it's crazy it's a young dude

it's like

the wedgies and swirlies

to net worth ratio

in that company is

well the net worth is far

far exceeded the wedgies at this point

well that's what I'm saying

from how many wedgies and swirlies

to how many net worths

yeah the net worths

yeah

the wedgies and swirlies definitely

helped facilitate

they grew them exponentially

yeah cool ass

really cool ass company

yeah it was

I wonder with cars like that though do you ever look at a car like that

and wonder if so the guy

the mastermind behind it do you think

he's looking at it and seeing its flaws

100% for sure yeah

absolutely you know no matter what

industry you're in if you

are passionate about what you do we talk about

that so much that that passion is

equaled with self-criticism

and right being your own worst critic

and that's that's how we improve constantly is

you know there's something that

you wish you had the opportunity to change

and you do and that's

what you know that's that's the difference right is

is looking at that thing

that you wish you could do different and then

on the next build remembering that

and and making that change

and that's where you know over the course

of decades you get to

hopefully a point where

you can

really be proud of what you're doing but still

still learning and still making

those mental notes on the next one because there

we always you know you you talk about

you know that we it's on to the next

one and and you know don't worry about the last

one but it's it's true

you know we always want to

push ourselves on that next one

and the the next one we do

it should always be better than the last

one that's that's what this is about

and and you know

and not not in a

in a negative way about any of the any

of the cars or any of the products you've ever built previously

but you should always everybody

you know pushes each other

and and to find

inspiration in what you've done and to see

things that you make the little mental note about

like ah the next time I get a chance

to do this I'm going to do it that way so yeah

absolutely if you pick your favorite

car the one you think is absolutely

the most perfect machine ever built

I guarantee the guy that had

hands on it he can point out five

things that irritate him that he just

you know like that pisses me off and look at that

and see how this is and it might be something

that even after it's pointed out you're like that's

that is nothing but to guys

that are that

invested in that product or that

project or that build

those things just that's what keeps you up at night

right is that that door gap that

when it's you know it's just

you can't do anything about it it's just that little

tiny bit

talk to any like top builder

when you have that credibility do that car

oh this fucking piece of shit you have fucking

doors doing this you're talking to Jim

really you're talking to Jim this fucking

piece of shit this fucking cock sucker

fuck

no everyone's yeah to your

point no one's ever happy and they only see the flaws

and then you make the next one better and then you always

realize that you make the next one better and at

the same time to what to what Josh was saying right

you need to be happy and proud of

everything you're doing but also I think it's

important to to to stand back

and recognize where you can improve and then

and then do it right make yeah make

that improvement that's something I think I

I feel like from the outside looking and I

noticed that more with you guys than

anybody else that year over year

the like

not that I'm not saying I'm looking at your

flaws but year over year I see

the unbelievable

like escalation of quality

and innovation

and what you guys do it's like dude how the fuck

did you go from this

to that like last year

what you guys brought last year at the

annual like truck that was over the top dude

and to to back it with what you guys

did this year it's

that's really impressive because some guys

hit just like

look at like a guy like Roy Brizio like

he's he just hit like

not bag and I'm he had a sweet spot

where he builds some of the best 32's

ever

best classically nostalgic

styled hot rods

ever and I wouldn't

say that they've gotten better or worse like

he's sort of maybe

he's nailed it he's nailed it he's got

a product yeah people want to worry if

I if I had him the money

to to bike have builders

spelled cars a 32 would be one of my

stable and Roy Brizio would be the

guy to build it because you know

that's the thing now you're not going to

go to Roy Brizio and have him build a custom

one off fucking Aston

or a Maserati or or even a

69 Camaro yeah I

appreciate what you're saying you know and honestly what

what it comes down to

is and I'll

say it I'm blue in the face

the incredible

team that we have and that

isn't just inside the

the walls of ring brothers right

that's you guys that's

that's our partnership with

all the companies that we work with and I'm not even going to start

to name them because I will forget one and I'll

feel like a jerk as soon as we're done filming

that it's not good it's I hate it better

alright so you you know who you are

but honestly it's and I said it up

I say it a thousand times

if I say it once it really does take

a village to do these things we couldn't

build the cars that we do and and for

you to recognize you know that

that level being up to every time it's because

of the incredibly talented group

of people that we have

number one inside the walls

of ring brothers right from our

machine shop guys to our designers

to the fab shop guys the paint and assembly

and wiring every every single

person involved are

passionate and they want

to be there and they're incredibly talented

but then outside

of those walls everybody that we work with

being at the top of their game and being

I mean you guys are some of the most passionate

people in the car industry that I've ever had

the pleasure of getting to work with

and having

having you guys and having all of the other

companies that that we work with have

equally passionate and driven people

be excited about a project

that's how we're able to put together

the kind of cars that we have been

been lately because everybody that's

involved is just

that driven to make

something special and

it's it's it's really powerful

you know I again talk about

it being a family and

taking a village it really it

you know it may sound

kind of cheesy but I really believe that

like it's it's you know

you see the hugs and the handshakes and

the smiles that these shows right that's

because we all we all want to see each other

succeed and when we get to build something

together and use your

specific niche

and make your contribution whether it's in

technology or in chassis or in

the engine or in interior whatever it is

everybody that had that

little part is at the top of their game

and they're giving everything they have

that's the only way that you can make these vehicles

be what they are it's like an orchestra

all those individual instruments

doing their shit at the

fucking best and the pinnacle

right creates

whatever like a good thing of orchestra

yeah whatever that thing is I got I had

the orchestra part all right and the instrument

I would say the composer

composition

credit to you guys that

when you bring a product like that

to the table I think it

I don't say forces but

gives all the other guys the opportunity

to step their game up as well

and you

you don't want to let you down in the process of

you know carrying our

into the load so I think it's

helped a ton of people in the industry take

their product their people

their skill set to the next level to be inspired

to be a part of that type of project

and that's the stuff that I think

just innovates the entire industry and keeps it

moving forward and one other

key member of that

that family honestly is the client

we were so fortunate to have

a client like we did with

this one in Eric that

let everybody involved

do the absolute

best version of

the thing that they were tasked with doing

there was you know he was

so excited about every step of that project

and having somebody that really

let us push

all of the boundaries associated with building a car

and not pumping

the brakes but being also excited

about like what's next

that's awesome like how can we do this

and like

being blown away and wanting to push that envelope

and you know it's guys like

that as the reason that we can do this without those customers

none of us can do any of the things that we do

you can be passionate all you want

but that only goes so far if you don't have somebody

willing to help you

fund that passion

build some cool go-karts

absolutely I got one question

and we're going to go to a little bathroom break

I hate to do it but if we're going to do it now

or we're going to do it later there's no way we're getting all the way through

it's uh

yeah gotta do the bathroom

we can use all kinds of other words but

I got a question

when Mike and Jim were here like did you have to do that like every 12 minutes

or at this point in the podcast

when Mike and Jim were here

their chins were right here and we were talking amongst ourselves

because they were already done

have you never watched that episode

I've seen bits and pieces of what not to do

I wonder you got

very strict instructions

oh I got strict rules before they came

he finished he finished that

like you know one ounce pour and it was that was

nope

that was

like

it's funny I got one other thing before I forget

I don't know which chair it was but I was talking to Justin

from Dakota Digital this afternoon and apparently he broke

one of the arm rests off and I was

he broke that when I fixed it

yeah he's like oh this chair is garbage and where did you get this

like you know wish.com or something

you're like big Ryan except you make gauges

right well like what's he like 6, 8, 300

he's also

he's got an awkward body type right he does

like the arms just do things

all the time yeah it's weird

he thought the chair was resisting a rest

yeah it was

full cop shit

I got one question and what we can edit this

if you don't want to talk about it I'm always

interested as all builders out there going to know

when a car like that right

you mentioned the client clients are always

awesome when you when they allow

you to just go it's funny

there's there's two

again over generalizing there's two types of clients

there's a client that comes in that

talks about those things and you're like man this is

this is going to be one of those

types of builds right and you're having

you're questioning if they

understand the gravity right

and they're like no yeah no problem

and sometimes those clients

it's never a problem all the way

through then sometimes there's a client's like

no I get it money's no

object no problem

unlimited do whatever it

is and even as great as the client is

sometimes there's a point that

no matter how unlimited

right Troy Troy's always done

you know that this George

always talked about Troy Japan is the only

person that would break an unlimited

budget right no matter

what it is love Troy but there's

always those times not and say anything

which one of those was

would he ever squeal or no he was

he was all for it fucking absolutely all

for it congrats

for you I mean

when you got the right builder you got the right

customers you get those guys in line

and you can make something right and what it comes

down to is there's a reason for it and you can articulate

that reason exactly right instead of

just like because

that's very different than here is why

and here's what we want to do

and this is what that is going to cost

right that's so cool you

you can articulate it to me awesome do it

there's nothing on that car that I would consider

like in excess right

right there's nothing that you're like

well they just did that because they are

unlimited fucking budget well

I mean the whole car

the fact that it exists but I know what you're saying

we know what I mean there's nothing that you're

like well yeah solid gold steering wheel

or something it's like dude you could have

machined everything like you built

it's a well built

car there's restraint

and the reason that none of those things

look in excess is because of how well built

it is because not one thing

jumps out right it's

cohesive SSC company

like they were the ones that were giving us

tons of compliments and the fact that they

found how do you know when to stop

yeah they found that so

fascinating as far as like we put all this

time in r&d into that one

car and to them

like the number it's very reasonable

because they're selling multiples of those but they can

only do it because they're

selling a hundred they got moq of this

and a moq of that he could

not he asked both of us several

times like but also only

just the one like he could not wrap his head

around the fact that we are spending that much time

in that many one off parts

to have it be one off

at the exotics event

we probably had the biggest

crowd going into the unveiling

of the new to Tara

and we didn't even know who we were

talking to and it was

Jared Shelby

the founder of SSC

so well

just chilling and then talking about the car

and then all said oh I gotta go do this unveil

of my super car

cool dude I met him out there

nice guy but yeah we had I mean we talked

for a couple hours before and he never

let on of you know like obviously

we knew he's there and he's we got one of the cars

but it wasn't he was genuinely

interested in what and how

we were doing what we're doing in the car

guy man yeah and that's the beautiful thing

you know I get that so and I know you want

to get back

one of the things that I get

I get asked often is

you know in and you guys probably experience

the same thing right in in dealing

with some of these ultra exclusive

clients

whether they're domestic or international

right people want to know

like what are they like what's it like talking to these guys

and I said at the end of the day they're

they're car guys they wouldn't be doing this if they weren't

they're car guys like it's

you very quickly

forget that there's a title

associated with this individual

because you're just talking about like

you know like how it how

it tracks and like horsepower and how the

feel is and like you know just the

driver experience and

you forget that this is like in his

day-to-day world he is a giant

somebody

but right now we're just talking about this

cool Aston Martin or this

69 Mustang or whatever

whatever car it happens to be

at the end of the day they're car guys that's why they're there

that's why they're talking to us

and it's it's really special

it really does you know

not to make too much of it or again sound

cliche or cheesy but it it bridges

so much this industry

really does you have people that are

you know mega billion

ears right that are talking

to some farm boys from spring

green about a Mustang because they're

car guys and they genuinely

there there's nothing about it that

that they can't obtain but they're

except the knowledge and they're just

no there is there is something

that they can't obtain that

thing that they're trying to obtain

because no amount of money

it doesn't matter you can't just snap

your fingers and that create right you

have to have that customer

your shop and

the relationship between those two

if the relationship's not there

and the cut it doesn't matter about the

customer in the shop the relationship's not there that

creation doesn't happen so it takes

a little bit of fucking sign a

little bit of magic right it takes the

person the want

the car guy that has the financial

means it takes the financial nut

it takes the shop and it takes

the the the gelling

and the relationship because I don't care

a guy could come in the

prince of you know

whatever sultan of brunei

come in tomorrow and say

absolutely

no budget spend it all spend everything I got

build the crate if there's no gel

right if there's no like what do you want

like what it's going to excite you

what's the thing to do it doesn't matter

the money doesn't buy things right no

matter how much money you got if you don't

have the relation it takes the chemistry

it takes the shop to feel his passion

and his excitement and his energy

so that's why it is key for those guys

for those car guys and that and they you know

sometimes it goes great sometimes it doesn't

but that that meshing of the people finding

the people it's not just because

a guy's got a shit ton of money

and he calls around a bunch of shops

and whoever answers the phone first he

dumps out money and says I want to build this

and that thing gets created right it's not

it's magic it's fucking

stars aligning it's it's the

relationship it's the quality it's the

person it's those conversations

and that's what creates the

thing it's the personality of it yeah

the money doesn't mean shit

I mean you know but the money

but the money doesn't but money

alone doesn't create it I say I

said that wrong the money alone doesn't create it

I'll tell you one thing and I've

I've thought this as long as I've been in this

industry if if it weren't

for having to pay bills

I would literally I would do

this job just for the reaction

of the person who gets to drive that car

the first time of G

we pulled the cover off of the Mustang the first

time you ever saw it I absolutely

that smile that that but there's

a there's a thing in the yeah that thing in the

eye if it weren't for having to pay bills

I would do it for that alone with you

honestly it's payment enough to see

that something that they've you know a

lot of times their entire life this is a

once-in-a-lifetime bill a lot of times for these

guys yeah and that that is that thing

come to life and to know that that you nailed

it and to watch them like

pick out all those little details that's

that's that's it that's what

all about like absolutely drives me

like 100% you know

I would do it like just like

you if I could just eat

and build the most

badass shit in the world have enough

food and

be able to put clothes on my kids

like I would do that to build the most

badass shit

in the world to have like guys come

to me and be like dude just go wild

with it you know because it's not

the it it's not the

exchange of money it's like

the thrill of

that response

is priceless yeah it truly is

nothing like it like

putting Brent just picked up his truck

drove it from

and like I didn't even think twice

about it it didn't I wasn't

your uncle fucking nervous as shit

sitting up there sweating bullets

we sent his truck Brent's truck out

it went from SEMA to

Dino's get down and Brent picked it up

and drove it back from

Arizona all the way up to

Pleasant in California

so confident in the truck

that it didn't I'd no stress

about it sends me a text fucking

truck was awesome unbelievable

ride quality amazing

me and my son absolutely loved it

like dude that's it that's you cannot

put a price for me you can't put a price on that

we're going we're going to bathroom break

but I'm gonna I'm gonna give one I'm

gonna give one last you know

Roger at Iron Works

and Troy at BBT they do these classes right

they do all this you know it's most

inspirational thing right slide there

they're coming there

Rogers coming out they're doing another class in February

it's amazing with the work that they do

I'm gonna give you something for free you gotta pay us

for shit right this is the best piece of advice

if you're dreading

talking to

yeah let's put a paywall up or something

Roger and Troy are making a good money

alright so charge for this

well I you know what fuck it

I'm gonna give away for free it's

we're coming up on 200 episodes this is free

if you're dreading

talking to that customer

fire that customer

that any customer you need

that any customer you need you're not gonna

give that customer his do if you're

dreading talking to that customer

then that's that relationship ain't there

it ain't yeah it's easier said than done

to great theory

I'm just gonna pay bill sometimes

I understand that but there's

a lot of customers out there there's a

lot of people that jive and if maybe

if you ain't jealous with none of your customers maybe it's you

maybe the customers maybe it's you

sometimes you can't fix that dude

you can't fix yourself

yeah man maybe you shouldn't be in business

you can fix that you can be working for the place

that you quit you could be not

you can be still working from the place that you

quit to go start your own shop and then realize

that you can't jail with any customers

that's an option

yeah it's a harsh reality check

to get at the end of the day nobody likes

the conversation but if you're dreading

talking to that customer

that you're building a car for for whatever

reason somebody's doing

something wrong

I don't care if that's not easier said than done

everybody can find something that they work with

it might not be the car that you're super excited with

when you've only been in business 18 months

and they don't like the color but if you can't jive

with them about something

and find the thing that makes them

and you're dreading taking their call

that's shitting an end well

it ain't

now it's pee time

I'm gonna go TT

yeah I was out there

taking a potty break

smoking a cigarette

nothing more badass than smoking a cigarette

and a potty at the same time

oh yeah I'm fucking took a

going TT

with a cigarette

smoking a cigarette and taking a fucking badass potty

and

to the knees right

yeah just pull him down

like a little boy in the snow

I was pulling up Instagram

like the first four pictures

that's a figure in one hand

phone in the other hand and

pointed out straight

the first four pictures of Aston Martin

like four different people

that's the algorithm

it is the algorithm

it is

we were talking we were having a podcast

fucking great ass podcast

before I forget

towards the end

you gotta tell your dad and your brother

both have been doing it

a remote podcast up at the barn

right so that's gotta happen

so you gotta push him

we can do it at like 12 in the afternoon

if we have to

yeah that's a good call

nice room nice and close

I mean we're losing the season

in this fucking Midwest weather

it's not really conducive

it's inside doesn't matter snow outside

let's wait till we get snow I think that'd be a beautiful

it would be cool

this time of year where it's just miserable

no let's wait

let's do it in January

we'll make it out

you got some snow machines up there

oh yeah

if not in case you get them

oh yeah

it's just

even it's almost coming up on 10 years

of being around this

it's just so different

I'm sure y'all think

the southern thing is

the accent

it's just so unique

drive about 4 hours north of where we're at right now

and then you really get heavy

then for guys like us we're like holy cow

you go up to my buddy Dean up there in Iron Mountain

oh yeah

go down to the fish fry there

oh yeah I get some pasties

oh yeah

what are pasties

a pasty? it's like a fucking hot pocket

they have fast food

restaurants that are

Damien's pasties

is that what it's called?

something pasties

it's a fucking hot pocket dude

like a meat pie

yeah it's whatever goes in it

the UP is a wild place

fucking wild

dude

especially if you get up there during

snowmobile drag race days

it's just off the rails

Michigan has to be the most

diverse state

there's a black dude

between when you cut

you can enter Michigan

but I think it's like new buffalo

there's a black hole there

and when you get up north

and you start going like

maybe an hour north of Milwaukee

it's another black hole

and it fucking time warps you back

to like 01

and then

most of Michigan is very

behind the times

Michigan, Wisconsin

it's just

I think of them as like a hole

but you think about Michigan

this is completely off the rails at this point

but you think about Michigan

you talk about how many

rednecks there are in Michigan

it's been wild

bringing it back to Whitey Morgan

he explained why there's so many rednecks

in Michigan

then you talk about Detroit

completely the opposite of rednecks

there's some places you shouldn't be

then you talk about the UP

it's the UP

Michigan

it's the UP

it's a thing that's of itself

and then you got like Traverse City

and you've got in the summertime

the Bahamas right there

one little section

then you've got

the offshore boat

the race boat season that comes through

then you've got southern Michigan

like southern Indiana

you're making a case for why it's good

no I'm not saying it's good

I said it's diverse

there's very little

other states

that have that much diversity

in interest and population

and then in types of

you're right there is a lot going on

there's a lot

I like Matt Sexton's

labeling of

Shitsville

just where Mikey lives though

Shitsville, Michigan

alright we're going to get back to

the actual

podcast at hand

so

we talked about

growing up in the family business

making your own path

and then getting dragged back into the family business

specifically

what are your daily duties now

what do you do for the Ring Brothers

I think kind of like everybody

we've all got multiple hats

official title

is sales manager

and operations manager

what that encompasses is

quite a

lot of stuff

so I basically will help out with sales calls

I take most if not all

tech calls I'll do

make sure all of our machining guys

have the material

what they need

I basically direct them as far as

what's going on for R&D stuff

what we're doing for

production

getting everything that the assembly

guys need

make sure our inventory is correct

following sales numbers setting our sales

working with our marketing team

and all that so there's

a lot basically anything involved

with our aftermarket part

side is all under my scope

that's a big lift

Ryan you're fabricating hands

on and your fab shop manager

yep so yeah fab shop manager

and oversee the build program

so everything that's happening

we refer to it as fab shop jail

you guys know that

the majority of that time is spent

and a lot of changes

and decisions to be made

like Hunter said we all wear a lot of hats

and honestly

for myself that's part of what

drives me is being

involved in as many different

aspects of the industry

and of the company as it possibly

can be right and if it's

being hands on

if it's laying paint or striping

or helping on the body shop

or helping an assembly we all

pitch in where we can

especially on these projects like the Aston

I know we talk a lot about the Aston today

but that's one that really pulled

all of our skill sets

from some pretty

deep places we had to all

reach deep and be

a jack of all trades

in the moment as it was called for

and I think that's true for everybody

at the shop right where

wherever you can be

an asset

it's welcomed

and the more rounded that all of us

are the better that we can make each other

and I think it's really important

and you'll see and you guys know

we pick on Jim and Mike a lot

but those two

it gets asked a lot

how often are they there well

they're there right

they are hands on they're doing it

and that goes for everybody in the shop

and it starts at the top

and those guys

and everybody else involved is

in it you'll see Jim

in the paint booth helping mask up

you'll see Mike in the fab shop

helping hold a panel

or beat stuff with a hammer

we're a small shop

we're a very intimate shop

and we are

we're all over the place

and I think it's important

to have these builds

be filled with as much

personality as they are

that everybody really is

not just pigeon holed

into you well exhaust

or you're the

suspension guy but we're all

we're all in it and Hunter and myself

no exception

wherever we're needed that's

where we're at

and I think both of us thrive on

that I know I do

if I get called into

another building

or a role that

is needed in the moment

I thrive on that right like

wherever I can be

you know helpful to

the project or to the company

that's where I want to be

and I think we have a team that

in the same way everybody wants

to do everything they can

to make these cars come out

the way they do and it's

exciting and it keeps us

driven and passionate when

you're not just exhaust welding guy

you're doing something different every day

and that's no different

for myself for Hunter

for everybody there

we come to a very

very special standard

questions brought to you by

HRE wheels

very special for two reasons one very special

because it's brought to you by HRE wheels

the standard in wheels

HRE

very pivotal in

most of your builds

very pivotal in the Aston Martin

also because this is a

dual guest and because we're going to go

extended format in the standard

questions we're going to do more

okay more than the standard

standard questions so very special

that's why it's special

did you follow any of that?

it seems like it's over your head

I don't think the whole

it's special because it's special part

was way over my head

I apologize

next time I'll

might be because he's a little special

it's possible, yeah

you were too geared up

you just went try special

I straight geared it

stop

learning express

I like that better

come on

don't leave me hanging

the answer is right there

the answer is there

both of us had

my mom

my mom got upset about that

did she really?

yeah she got pissed

we brought it up

Maddie said something about she's getting

geared up

and then my mom

she's like I'm like

geared up for learning mom?

don't act like I didn't try to help you

out

the whole

geared up for learning mom

I love the name

it's a terrible name

I think it was

I don't know if it carried through

at least sophomore year

I don't know if it was junior year

I love it

it was not great

it's not exactly something you drop on the chicks

to like

what do you do in seventh period

because I get out of geared up for learning

six

we could duck out of here

let's show you some colored pencils

oh man

standard questions

first up

I got

SEMA specific standard questions

what were you

outside of your realm

outside of the Aston Martin

SEMA specific

what were you most

surprised about

so I'm still stuck on the geared up for learning

things

do they have shirts

I'm sure they had shirts

bright blue

it was just

brand ride's logo kind of thing

you probably

spring green was probably a small high school

oh yeah

in our high school

we didn't go to a big high school

but how many people would you say was our graduating class

300 per class

that's the size of our school

the high school

there's a section of the high school

like the back

hall

what the fuck was the name of the hall

where we had the cage

geared up for learning was next door

it was just across the cage

what the fuck was that hall name

e-hole might have been

anyway our hall

geared up for learning was a

you forfeited one of your study halls

and

yeah they checked

your planner

they geared you up

for learning

you had to be accountable

for every single thing

my fucking

trapper keeper

it was called a channelers

is what we called it

it was a calendar

not a lot of good shit

the pictures and things were not something

you would necessarily want to show

to a teacher

like super bad

and my buddies would steal it

because they knew that I had to go there

so you would open the next page

and then it would be a surprise

like oh don't

don't look at that

but yeah they made sure

you did your homework they would like check your bag

make sure you had enough like writing utensils

in there

it was all those

kind of things because I

I didn't exactly fall

in line

like I didn't do anything per se

as far as like homework

or

any other thing that you were supposed to do in school

here's the win

here's the only win that you're going to get on this

and I can't believe you

haven't come across it so

very similar

albeit different paths

these are this is a program

so the difference

that I can't believe Jeremy hasn't figured out yet

the difference in

Jeremy's was a program

that they had within the high school

I'm sure you had the similar

talks about it's not about your intelligence levels

about you applying yourself

if you would just apply yourself

they would say Jeremy's very bright

right he just needs to apply himself

I got the same kind of thing you just need to apply

I got the same speech

about applying myself about as many times

as I've got about the narcissism

speech after growing up

you don't have narcissistic

I think the 14 year olds

no but you have the

lack of ability to

apply yourself that then turns into

becoming a narcissist

I think there's a path there

right but anyway yours was a program

within a high school

the answer center in the very name

was a center

that I had to go to

for my entire senior year

it was not a program inside

I'm aware of that

you should have caught on to that earlier

you at least went to a normal high school

I went to a normal high school up till

I finished my 11th grade year and they said

we've tried to get you to apply yourself

maybe you will apply yourself

at the answer center

because it has the answers did you find the answer

I did not

I copied all the answers

we rolled through our paces

because you worked your own pace

they give you your paces

yeah

it's a win

it was a huge win

in geared up for learning

we would have

don't make it cool

stop, gear up for learning

before you try to make it cool

gear up for learning

it was kind of like underground

I knew that this was coming

there were a lot of gears

there were multiple speeds

you were two steps away

from geared up for learning

you went to the cage

it sounds horrible

the cage was bad

the cage was this place

where the teacher had to accompany you

to

your lunch period

it was

they had their own trays

and the teachers would follow them

from the cage which was pretty far away from the cafeteria

because they couldn't handle

the cafeteria with the rest of the kids

so the teachers

they were like special teachers

that will teach them

put them in a cage

we nicknamed it the cage

I don't think they called it the cage

I doubt they did

and then the teachers would bring them back

from there

the next step was

that was the

A.H.M

I don't know how you spelled it

but that was the school you went to

high school

it was when you could no longer conform

you couldn't be in the traditional high school

I had a couple of friends

that made their way over to Budsman

I was nowhere near that

nowhere near

but all other

nine periods

you got a couple, you got lunch, you got gym

so like seven periods

were pretty normal

out of those seven one of them was geared up for learning

it's not a big deal

let me get my shit straight

we got to organize

I don't know how much help they did

I didn't have to go to any sort of special facility

it was right there in the main school

it wasn't a special facility

it was just a different facility

I went to a different facility for my senior year

they said this probably

maybe this center has the answers for you

I was

I don't know how to make

the correlation between the two

but

for me

I was basically like in a timeout

you were in maximum security prison

if you had to compare

like if you had to compare

our two positions

I don't know

I don't think so

the answer center was maybe like in more of an elevated

like oh you don't need high school

you've already kind of surpassed

is that how they sold it

you already have the answers

come to our center

now that I think back about it

that's honestly where it was

did they bring you in as like a guest speaker

did you go to the answer center

and then they brought you from the answer center

they take the smaller bus

and they bring you back

and then they're like oh

Josh here is a standout

he's an AP student

at the answer center

he can smoke and check his Instagram

at the same time

and he's going to tell all you guys

about the answers

no it wasn't that way

maybe you're right

have you gone back since like Adam has gone back

and had classes at his school

has he

I didn't know that

Adam from Red Rides

oh Adam

did they call you back

that was university

and if they did would you be a representative

of said high school

or would it be Josh Henning

of said high school

or would you be Josh Henning

of the answer center

if you were playing professional football

when you do your announcement at the beginning

would you be Josh Henning

the answer center

no that's how you would have said it

but it would have been

I would have still been Jeremy Gerber

dear from high school

also part of your

you wouldn't have even had a sense

you're right

all my other classes are normal classes

I hope you feel good about yourself

yeah we worked through it

I have to say that

you have to say that you went to a high school

I have to say that I went to the center

I would just like to point out if the answer center

or geared up for learning or listening

to please reach out to the roadster shop at any point

so we can have some guest appearances

and we can do some sort of outreach

borderline success story

we'll get a bronze bust or something

we should

maybe a section of the library

I would like to be

alright we started this podcast

off about like sometimes you need to stop

and smell the roses

tell me who else

that went through the fucking answer center

or geared up for learning

is where we are today

name somebody

I can't say

did he go through there too

how I wish I could say it

remember Phil

Asian dude Phil

this guy was the shit

oh man was he cool

oh yeah he was bad ass

did he do something with his life

I don't think so

I don't care

I don't want to hear the characters

Jeremy Gerber and Elon Musk both went to

geared up for learning

Elon Musk maybe

nobody has came through geared up

or the answer center that has done

what we have done

I think this is a win

I think collectively

this came full circle

to collectively this is a win

despite our challenges

yeah we prevailed

cheers man

I love it

we found common ground

I like this

after all the time stamp right now

it's a 232

you're taking that out

telling Elliot what to take out

back to the question

now that we've gotten through

our learning disabilities

hope that was fun for everybody

next time you see somebody handicap

kick the shit out of them

obviously that's what we do

knock them the fuck out

that's obviously what we do

on this podcast

learning disabilities are fun to laugh at

everybody is laughing

yeah

you make another marker

that's what feels like

plus or minus five minutes

time marker

you're talking about the old

traditional crutches

one of the handles on them

some polio crutches

come on

with the elbow brace

we talked about that

what happened

this has gone off the rails

so why not go ahead and get

do you notice things like we notice

no, this is staying in

this is the beauty of the podcast

this is the deep

subject matter

that other automotive podcasts don't dare to touch

nobody's touched on that

so

when's the last time

I'm going to go

rapid fire on some of these questions

when's the last time you've seen a roly-poly

do you know what a roly-poly is right

a little beetle that rolls up

like a little small one

remember

being a kid

when's the last time you've seen one

exactly

a slug

same thing

you peel up an old sheet of plywood

that's been laying in the dirt

slugs everywhere

when's the last time you've seen a kid

in elementary school or high school

with a cast

when's the last time you've seen a broke arm

where did it all go

they can't break their arm playing fortnite

when's the last time you've seen

those old school crutches with the handles

with the braces

what happened

fireflies are coming back

people aren't having fun like they used to

that's the only answer

we broke arms riding bicycles

playing cops and robbers falling out of trees

doing

when's the last time you know anybody

got stung by a bee

besides Phil

these things are 80's

super 80's

I had this conversation at the dinner table

Macaulay Culkin in that one movie

that didn't end well

but I had this conversation at the dinner table

when we were talking about the same fucking thing

about a cast and broken arms

and my son who doesn't say anything

he's like this is a kid in gym class

broke both his arms

imagine that

and then my daughter chimes in

she's like oh yeah I saw that

two broken arms

a kid he fell in gym class

and broke both of his arms

oh man that sucks

that's rough and he's got like the

OG

I know what path he's on

he's geared up

wasn't a physical disability

that was

there were shortcomings on the learning side

Josh

the same type of people that hurt themselves

it's a lack of attention

to yourself

you're very smart Jeremy

just apply yourself

so Sema

you're looking just terrible right now dude

am I?

you're looking like a monster

how many speeches did you get about

applying yourself

yeah but I also didn't like

make fun of the other kids that didn't

apply themselves

I'm not making fun of the other kids that didn't

apply themselves

in 2005

the most surprising thing to either of you

two-part at Sema

trend

vehicle anything

what was like oh wow I wasn't expecting that

you got one

mine's a little more personal

I think for me

the more I come back to Sema

the more I think

I enjoy it because

I was always just kind of like some

random person and

not being like with the company a little bit

and get to know people and get to know

the players within the industry

it's a lot more fun having

like Ryan was saying going there

and feeling like you're part of that family

and feeling like you're somebody that

people actually try to seek you out

and talk to and all that

and not really used to that experience

I thought that was kind of special for myself

that's cool

honestly

you know we get so

focused on what it is that we're doing

in the year between Sema

that

it surprised me how

how inspired

I got from everybody

and all the energy like it's such an energy

field right yep

just from date and it goes

I tell you what Monday

we moved in Sunday but Monday you're kind of set up

and I remember

having a boy that's Wisconsin

we talk about accents right saying member

instead of remember

you know having a moment

where

we said like it's going to be Friday afternoon

before we know it and that happens

every time

but it surprised me this year

just how much energy

didn't it feel different this year though

it really did like it felt new

or fresh or something

it felt like so much more positive energy

like thank you just

we're all ready to go

versus the first years

it's not that it's been bad energy

but there's just kind of like yeah we're doing Sema

you know I got this car over here and I'm dealing

with all these struggles and you know

like a more of a bitchin' and moaning

and this year was like just

positive energy yeah

it really did and that's a great way to describe it

that's I mean honestly I just

it surprised me because again you know

you're tired from the drive

and the lead up and all the pressure

and you want it to go well

but like day one

right welcome to see the announcement

comes on and Sema is now open and it like

from that moment it's over

it is over

and it surprised me how

like just the feeling

just a vibration

that I think everybody felt like

it was you say positivity like

everyone I ran into

was just happy and excited

like I didn't I didn't hear about any

real issues like every there's no drama

there's nobody MF and somebody else whatever

it's just like it's just good and I

just kind of yeah I don't know if

surprise is the right word but I was

it was it was noticeable to myself

that this was different and

I really enjoyed that

yeah I agree man and it seems

like that you know the industry

sort of like self regulates

itself it does

the body purges all the toxins

like it's just in it's

it's doing so well right now like

there's everybody

just like really gets along

respects each other there's

it's just a lot of a lot of action a lot

of movement a lot of good shit

happening like good products a lot of good companies

from a builder

standpoint felt like a good year

across the board from top to bottom

brand new to

you know you know

you've been around for a while

the comradery

and it runs

lifting each other up and it's amazing

pointing out cool stuff what other guys

are doing trying to

put interest into the younger guys help bring them up

yeah I mean going

to some of the other aspects

of the car world like

you see a lot of hate and a lot of the

off-road stuff a lot of the lifted trucks

a lot of the pre-runners and it's just

guys shredding each other it's just

we don't get any of it

yeah it was just

just exciting

energy right electric

yeah it was a really really good time

you're right though that

it's so wild how

as soon as the show opens

man we got a week of this and then

the only night that drug on

was Thursday night

the party

the party itself

was literally over like that

the problem was the night continued on

yeah

quite long after that

that was in a long time

in a very very long time

that was a rare one

where I'm like oh it's time to go to sleep

and it's like it's not the sun

is coming up that sun is fully

been up and stretched his legs

and is up for a while

it's full blown daytime

it's been a long time since

I can't remember I mean it's

entering the casino

in daytime that is

you haven't got your room yet in this daytime

it was a great night though

great fucking night

but it was it is good to see

we've talked about it a lot of times

on the podcast

we've all been doing this for a while

like you said the industry self-regulates

there's those times where it's like

you can just feel the

kind of the tension you know and everybody's

like oh this car sucks did you see this

and you know I can't believe this

drama did you hear this drama that wasn't this

you know it's

everybody's got their

niche in their lane and you're trying to help out

and there's so many like you said young builders

and these young builders are building parts

and everybody's like hey can I help you

yeah I use that that's fucking awesome

let me do this can I do this

it's a really really good

I can't remember a as good

of a place

healthy comradery

amongst the builders

and the manufacturers

as it is this year at SEMA

there's been good times but I can't remember

as good of a time

totally

alright next up standard question

we're going to go to car

we're going to get through the car thing

two different genres

ish

you're very similar to my genre

you were very

we're going to start with you first

and then we're going to get to you

your very first car was it a gift

or did you purchase it yourself

first one I drove like with a driver's license

yeah your first transportation

at 16 right so

that was a 94G per angler

oh we're supposed to guess

oh shit no problem

I would not have guessed that

I'm glad you got it out of the way

I didn't know the rules

so you had a specific question about how I

how did you acquire that

was it green

tan interior

100%

so no

there's a company

we haven't lost it completely

there's a company down kind of by Dubuque called

it was

Leo's Repairables and you bought salvage

like insurance

total vehicles and stuff

so the summer I turned

15

me and my dad bought that and it was

it needed a frame it needed a body

you bought a car that needs a frame and a body

so you bought a motor

yes basically

but you know

Houston for smart parts

I don't know if you guys ever deal with

they're kind of by Milwaukee but anyway

you can pretty much get anything you know you need

like a pull apart

yeah kind of like copart is right

you can get a whole front clip from a late model

whatever if you need to

so we got a tub

a Jeep tub from there

we were able to salvage the hood and the fenders

and the soft top and a lot of

JC Whitney parts

but that's how I spent the summer

that before I turned 16 was

doing that with my dad

yeah so you know at the time

so that was maybe a year

and a half old vehicle but it

it had rolled over so we were able to get it

for next to nothing we fixed it

obviously ourselves other than having to get

that frame and that body tub

we were able to pretty much do everything else

and fix all the stuff so

you're driving at 96 or 97

96 yeah

did it roll over again

no it got stuck in the middle of the Wisconsin

River a number of times

but did not

you were trying to do wheelies in it

I would definitely do

because it was the four cylinder right so it didn't have any guts

but you could definitely do the clutch bump

and I pretended

I saw Snoop Dogg Doggy Style

was the album of the

fucking ass

but people are listening they're probably like

that's a stupid question

you could

yeah Jay Gustafson had a

96 97

same thing

but you turn the wheel

all the way like one direction

and you just clutch dump it and it would like

dive and then you dump it again

Jay Gustafson

I don't know

you would

you would yank the front wheels off

so we call it

I was there the day

his parents gifted

said some of the blue Wrangler to him

it was an S.E.

Jay Gustafson thought it was special edition

we made sure

it was not

it was like sport economy

it didn't even have wheels

but it was that

almost like pinkish

purply like

blue I guess you call it

our math teacher

what the fuck it was

Jeff Summie was his name

flaming gay

so we called it Summie blue

me and Fen made sure to let him know

it was a Summie blue

Jeep Wrangler

and then it's

extremely hurtful coming from a guy driving a purple lebaron convertible

did they make

a non convertible lebaron

it's a Maserati

they always say a lebaron convertible

it's just a lebaron

you always try to sex it up

when you're an owner

when you're an owner you call it a lebanon

it's a

French sports car

but

at school we'd put that sucker with me and Fen

would jump out on our free period

kick that sucker into neutral

and just push it across the parking lot

like right up into the front

steering wheel would lock so you'd be committed to whichever direction it was going

but you could get

if the wind

was blowing the right way

the moon the sun the stars the line

you could get that thing right into the front

like foyer of the school

and then we'd take the doors off

because it had vinyl doors

and then we'd just walk into whatever class

he was in

with your arm in the door

and just bring the door in

and then just give him the door

he would get pissed

great friends

as far as you can do wheelies

I absolutely did that

and the reason I bring up the Snoop Dogg album

was because we would topen the doors off

and we'd act like we had hydraulics

and along with you guys pushing his Jeep

up to the foyer

what used to happen to mine is

we live in Wisconsin and Hunter knows this

they pile all the snow in one spot

and it gets huge

well at some point during the winter

my buddies would get enough chains

and they would put the trucks together

to go up and over the pile to my Jeep

and then hook it to like three trucks

and then drag my Jeep to the top of the 40 foot snow pile

and I come out at the end of the day of school

and it's like there's I can't get down

like I have to wait till spring

or I have to

yeah

so it's good

it's really good

I hope that kids like

they're not

creativity

the driver every single

like he's earliest with his license

pop that thing in neutral and just put it in everybody's

front yard no matter where he was at

well that was the problem you couldn't like the doors

had vinyl doors you could just unzip them

and then there's a manual so they'd put it in neutral

and then they'd drag me to the top of the snow pile

horrible car for a teenager

alright next up Hunter

alright so don't give it away

we're gonna go

so a couple of clarifying questions first

one

at this point in the podcast we're about to kill the bottle

tell you you're never gonna guess it

that's fine

it's quite the challenge

what year were you 16

oh 9

alright was your vehicle a gift

or did you purchase it

more of a gift

were you in the cars at that point in time

was it in the family

like a repurposed vehicle

from mom, dad, grandpa

oh you're getting a little specific

you're trying to get a little specific

we tried looking

for a car for myself through ebay

and they ended up coming across a limited edition

Mini Cooper that was like a midnight blue

with the cherry mirrors

that we actually ended up using

for bailouts

paint job

you did not get that

my mom got that

oh so your mom got that

and then you got something else

um

this is interesting

oh 9 you said

oh 9

I think I know

because I know your dad so well

I think I'm gonna go

it's a fucking Audi

a3 or a Golf

no

siblings got a4s

this is cliche

this is mom's car though

this mom's car

this is champagne

Lexus SC400

hard top retractable

no no the actual just

coupe

I'm the german vibe

yeah we're heading in the right direction

with the Audi deal

so this was mom's car

mm-hmm

Passat

fucking Passat

there were

myself and

three other high school girls that had the same car

it's SUV

girls

it's a fucking X3

can I change mine to a VW T1

T1

that's BMW

it's BMW

Volkswagen

girls car gotta be a Jetta

what was the small

I don't remember

the T1 was a small SUV

but that's T1's after

T1 wasn't an O9

T1 came after the Touareg

historic

no

they only made three cars

out of the

entire world of cars

we got pretty close

we're german we're within

family of cars in the SUV

I was off you guys are close

two

no blue

what is it

05 blue Beetle

you drove a fucking Beetle

what the fuck is wrong

the requirement

is that it had to be a manual car

and since they bought this limited edition

Cooper they didn't want to give

a 16 year old a Cooper

and I got ratted out a few times

by the car because apparently if you go over

90 or 100

the little tail fin pops up

and it locks and I didn't notice it

the first couple of times

I'm in trouble for driving a little faster

that serves them fucking right

they were trying to

actively trying to not become

grandparents

they gave it their

best shot

hope we give them this there's no fucking way

and all my buddies all had trucks

being in the middle of farm

field and all that

they'd all take their trucks through

the fields in the winter

and I was like fuck it I'm gonna take this

Beetle through the field in the winter

and since it's a front wheel drive I can't do

shitties with it so I did reverse shitties

in the Beetle

in the Nova Cornfield with a bunch of four other trucks

honestly this says more about your parents than it does

I really

have lost so much

respect

I can't believe they would do that to you

the golf came after

that's just

I mean a beetle

for your son

I just I mean I'm so surprised

I really am

so surprised

and disappointed

actually got passed from me to my little brother

and then he totaled it

you should have totaled it

you have to go through the pain

I

never saw that coming

no that was it that's a fucking wild card

wow didn't see it

alright next up

a little rare rare standard

question

Ryan if you were doing anything else

for a living other than

in the hot rod industry or building cars what would it be

I'd be in music

music yeah

some some variation of

production or something yeah just being out

putting on a show something to do with the

right what about you Hunter

so I've always loved doing stuff like hands-on

so like my side hobby is working on our house

so

honestly even though I'm within the car world

I think getting more hands-on with

the cars or being

some sort of carpenter

would be pretty cool

carpenter

I'd like however

I only want to do like

fine joinery

and I just want somebody to pay me to take

as long as it takes

yeah joint

woodworking

just a box that I like

with whatever inlays I want to do

and when it's done it's done

that's the type of woodworking I want to do

would you put a lumber rack

on top of the beetle then

I wish

I can't believe that

I can see you out there doing like that

crazy

like Asian joinery

like where they're doing it

fuck yeah

yeah the hands-on I got a couple of those hands-on

those things are crazy good

yeah

stack up six things then you just go like that

so they just fall together

hell yeah

one little tapered pin you

yeah I hell yeah I would

I can see you doing some stupid

that's fine

I mighter that shit

put a biscuit in it glue it

I like I want to

I want to see things incidentally part of the outreach

program at the answer center

dealt with that

yeah

focus your attention

when you get like a little wild they use that

to calm you down

I hate you so

I hate you so much

it's the wording

when you got a little

wild they use that to calm

you down a little squirrely

we didn't have a cage

and I tell you that at the whole entire answer center

we didn't have a cage we did and I wasn't

in it yeah but that's the type of place

you went they have to have a cage

you were a step away

then you say that was the next step

you were closer

you were closer to a cage than I was

by far

the cage was still that was an intermediate

between Budsman which would have been the answer center

no we had an entire center

you had just a high school we had an entire center

and no cages to be found

I stayed in the other 20 minutes on this one too

yeah

next up

we talked about that we're going to go

we're changing it up a little bit

best piece of advice you've ever received

I tell you what

boy there's a lot

but the one

that sticks with me still

Flip Cacord

has been a mentor of mine

he's a very successful

winemaker

distiller

and he's been a business mentor

and friend for decades

and early on

he told me

don't be afraid to surround yourself

with people that are smarter than you

and

I feel that

we talk about

not having ego in our shop

a lot

and everybody having a voice

and again we've talked a lot

about having people involved

in these projects that are

absolutely at the top of

their niche

and the best at what they do

and that goes to that right

surround yourself with people that are smarter than you

in other words if you have to be

the smartest guy in the room

you're capping

where you can go

you've already answered how far

you can go, how high you can climb

but if you are in a room

where everyone around you is way better

at the thing

let me rephrase that

that they are at the top of their game

and whatever it is that they do

if you're the best machinist I've ever met

and you're the best painter I've ever met

and you're the best welder I've ever met

that's the way to

conquer the world to build your empire

if you have to

be

the best at everything that is part of your company

or in your circle

you're limiting yourself and you're shooting yourself in the foot

and you're frankly holding yourself back

on what the potential is

for ego alone

so throw the ego out and surround yourself

with people that are

supporting you, we talk about that a lot

and I firmly believe that

the second one I'll give you, my father

I've still got it, he gave me

when I started my shop

back in 2002

he gave me some tools

and inside one of the boxes

they had a bunch of Milwaukee grinders

one of which was my grandfathers

it was just a note handwritten with Sharpie

on a piece of

legal pad and it just said

win in doubt, make it stout

and that hung in my welding shop

and I've still got it framed just out of my house

and I mean

it's true, win in doubt, make it stout

there's nothing wrong with

making it stronger than it has to be

more metal than brains

so those two things

man, I wish I heard your first piece of advice earlier

because I've got geared up for learning

in the answer center

well they've surrounded themselves with you

so you're...

that's why we keep filler of

stop being so mean

that was my first shot

I've been sitting here quiet for like half hour

Hunter, what about you, best piece of advice?

mine's something that

very much goes against

what I normally do

but it's just don't be afraid to fail

obviously you don't learn anything if you're

not failing

and I personally would admit I struggle

with accepting that

just because I want everything to be

perfect

and try to be very meticulous in making it

so

but yet obviously my biggest

learning hurdles have obviously come from

the points where it's

been the biggest

failures for sure

sure

second to last

favorite car movie

well I mean

the generation we come from

I'm honestly going to be interested to hear what Hunter's is

because I don't even know what

the movies were but

the cars

probably

but for me

well there's going to be a flashback time

I hope you're going to love it because

I'm all about it

number one license to drive

you remember that with the Cori's

never thought a Mercedes would fit in the trunk

of a Cadillac

number two

Cannibal Run

and then smoking to ban it

I mean but license to drive

segue into the final question

we don't need to even get into the final question

but

Hunter car movie

probably gone in 60 seconds

or

honestly I don't know if it's called

but it's the

like

it's like a baby driver

oh baby driver

is it baby driver?

where's the headphones

yeah

that's a great movie

in gone in 60 seconds

Nick Cage or Angelina Jolie

or the cars

Angelina

how's that even a question

and she was something

I bring that up every time somebody mentions gone in 60 seconds

because that movie with Angelina Jolie

incidentally I just saw a thing the other day

that was news to me

and now I can't unsee it or unknow it

there was a moment in history

where Steve Buscemi and Angelina Jolie were

absolutely

unidentifiable as being different people

I can see it

yeah

it's like a crate or something

like they had their yearbook pictures and they're like it's the same person

it's wild

I like some Steve Buscemi

absolutely a lot

boardwalk empire

watch that boardwalk empire

amazing

amazing series

dude I just watched

for some reason I was

jones and for Ford first Ferrari

it comes up a lot on here and I just watched it again

that is such a good movie

so well done

I just saw something on Facebook

they were doing a Ford vs Ferrari 2

I don't know what the round 2 would be

I mean the Ferrari beats Ford

yeah the GT40

continued on for a couple years

like 2 more years

I don't know what the story anybody knows

it would be interesting for the movie wise

it would be good

yeah

but it very well produced movie

it was a good movie

enjoyed it again for the second or third time

well

last up

kind of obviously

know what the answer is going to be to this

Sylvester Stallone

or Burt Reynolds

yeah Burt Reynolds 100%

like every time I see a

meme pop up that stupid arm wrestling

movie like get back to reality

man like what even was that

the 80s were a wild

it's so interesting

are you done is that your favorite movie ever

I like that movie quite a bit

when

on top right yeah

when do we call it

never I don't know dude

I got one more car movie though

do you remember Convoy

oh yeah

that's the J.W. McCall

yeah

there's so many

in that era

I feel like you know that

Cannonball Run with the Lamborghini

every time I pass one of those car hauler

double decker

semi trailer deals

I think about that scene

Cannonball Run does not give

get the credit that it deserves

everybody's like oh I've seen pieces

oh I remember if you would watch the movie

and realize who you're watching

in it the amount of talent

that is in that you got Terry Bradshaw

you got Mel Tillis

you got all kinds of actors

it's an amazingly funny

fucking movie

when you talk about talent the same goes for Dazed and Confused

right

like look at it is the talent

that was hidden in there

you know McConaughey's first

that was his first on screen

and it's funny

I watched the thing the

alright alright alright was

total improv

it was like his brother or somebody that he said

he was trying to emulate

well yeah and he was

it was part of that but he was listening to a live Doors album

and Morrison

came out on stage and you can hear it

if you listen to I think it's Roadhouse Blues

live at like

whiskey a go-go or something and he comes out

and he's like alright alright alright

and that's

like yeah I'm gonna be Jim Morrison that's who I'm gonna be

that's funny

what's next from the Ring Brothers

where and when

yeah I mean

you know we're work as Jeremy

said you know we got back from Seaman

it wasn't Monday for me the guys were there Monday

it was Tuesday because

we came back I took Monday off

and Tuesday morning we were back in the shop

but you know

we've got a couple of chassis sitting there we're taking

one back with us tonight

and we're already on to

the next builds we've been talking about

65 GTO convertible 68 charger

both of them are gonna be

pretty wild and you know

no exception we're pushing ourselves

on both of these cars

and it's exciting because

we haven't done either one of these before

we've never done a GTO

and we have not done a 68 charger so

that's exciting as far

as the the wind and the where

you know that stuff creeps up like

stay tuned yeah we always

you know it's like hey next weekend we're gonna do

this show we're gonna be at this place

and you know

we're looking forward to it always you never know

guys it's been absolutely amazing

I'm gonna ask one question before we go

this is a new

new part because it's so fresh

and so new and you guys were such a

pivotal part

of the party

if we could change anything about the party

what would your suggestion be

what do you want different from the best on our

road sure shot party

I wouldn't change a thing I think is amazing

and also an answer

easier access to the stage

come on now

I tell you what honestly it was

tip to tail

that was an incredible event it always is

every year that we've been there

the new location I think that was incredible

right with the

side it's so honestly surreal

like the whole location

it was a vibe if I didn't have to plan it

I'd go back and we could live it tomorrow night

right as we could go back and do it tomorrow night

and just experience it I'd do it again

and I tell you what shout out to Tim strange rod builder

oh yeah that guy needs to keep doing exactly

what he's doing because Tim rocks it did

oh man if there was ever somebody

built for wearing a sequin

smart coat

he did a good job he shocked me the

the

little preparation that goes into

kicking that off

what are you talking about we prepped that

we get notes and emails and all kind of stuff

five minutes before everybody started

piling in and he gets up there

you did it five minutes I did it 30 seconds

before and Tim just rips it

it's just calling man he's good he's so good

he kills it I

I had the fur coat

on Tuesday

then all of a sudden Tim shows up with the sequin

sport coat and I'm like well I should

he brought it

he had a much better fucking entrance than we did

Tim

like Tim on stage

fireworks coming up

and then it's us on stage

what we paid him to do it

half of that went back to the AV

for them to do the same thing

I know how much the fucking sparklers

in the air cannon cost because they tried

to pay for it

I was shocked at how he did a good job

how little ball busting

Tim did with three of us

I told him that your feelings have been getting hurt

I actually well committed it's like an

I told him I said dude honestly it's like an annual

good humbling

I've seen him after these parties fucking in tears

balled up I said you've got to stop

you've got to stop

well next year enough's enough

I can assure you two things

are going to happen at the next year's party

I will see to it that your security

is top notch

and I will also see to it that Tim knows

all about the answer center

and the geared up for learning

that will be brought up immediately

upon his with his monologue

yep they're start gearing up

I guarantee you

look we've been around Tim long enough

I promise you he had his own little special school

he had to go to

it's just got a different name

it's the Indiana

he's from Illinois sorry

Illinois special school

I guarantee you where he's at

I think back then they just called it

special ed

that's old school special ed

fellas it's been

absolutely fucking amazing

love to be able to hear the story from behind the scenes

and especially you growing up in it

you coming in as fabricator

everything

the insight that you guys lent

on the industry it's always great to hear

from the other side versus just the

the faces the owners the CEOs

and stuff like that so it's been really a fun

time we've gotten to know each other a lot

more it's a fucking autograph

time it's autograph time and we also

sometimes we forget that

this is oil and whiskey we had

to talk about the whiskey and we

the whiskey a lot of time and this is a killer

fucking bottle fill

it was it was

the table and somehow scored

that that boy said there was actually

quite a few of them sitting on the shelf but that is

that's a rare bottle and a good

bottle we've killed

a couple of these at my house

the only time that we've ever opened that

bottle it has been killed yeah that's

that's three that's right that's the

third time that bottle's been open and it

always gets full full phenomenal

bottle probably one of the best

releases

in the past several years I would

say it's an amazing drinker

fifty five dollars to that's

that's awesome seven years got an age

statement hundred proof

fifty five bucks if you see that on the shelf

by two or three of them

it comes with a great little bag

honestly they didn't have the bag

they didn't have the bag

oh wow

for sixty bucks you might have gotten it but it's

weeded bourbon right

hundred proof weeded bottle and bond seven years

delicious you can't it's got the flavor

but it doesn't have the fucking kick in the ass

that's that is the exact

type of bourbon

to kill with a group of friends

and speaking of thank you

thank you guys all for

having us on honestly it's

it's our pleasure and honor to be here

and you know just

love spending time with you guys out in Las Vegas

and back here

back in the Midwest we gotta clear

our schedules next scene a little bit

to be able to have some more time but it's always

like during work events

that we get to spend time we need to just like

hang one

night we need to just turn it all off and be like

alright tonight is the night we just hang out

part of their crew otherwise it gets all

booked like within I know

three months of semen there's a part of their

crew that goes to bed at seven o'clock well we can

go up to the we can go

run their bed up and down

like that this

falls solely

on your uncle he's the guy that

he's he's got the key to the castle

he's got the hangout spot

you guys are two hours away from us we

we got to do the podcast up there we'll make it happen

and if you get some story ground we'll make it happen

Peggy will put something in Jim's

applesauce and he'll be up till

at least 90

a little cappy

with that

oh god I just

pictured that it is so perfect

so we put a BC powder in here

gonna be up all night

but I don't kill tonight we get an autograph

get to put it up there was some of the greats

good time man awesome

podcast appreciate you guys coming out

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