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"It Could Be a Record Year!" Inside Auto Retail's Biggest Buy/Sell Year Yet & What Top Operators Know | George Karolis, President at The Presidio Group

"It Could Be a Record Year!" Inside Auto Retail's Biggest Buy/Sell Year Yet & What Top Operators Know | George Karolis, President at The Presidio Group

Car Dealership Guy Podcast Jul 23, 2026 36 min
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About this episode

Deal activity is shaping up for a record buy/sell year, but the market is bifurcating: COVID-era buyers chased any deal, while today’s uncertainty and “flight to quality” are changing what gets bought and sold. George Karolis explains how operators think about profitability—especially fixed operations, FNI, and expense control—plus why used EVs and auction lanes don’t behave like gas cars. He also shares how top dealer groups manage portfolios, and why AI and frictionless processes are becoming table stakes.

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Term

direct sales model

"We have China direct sales model is causing more folks to, you know, consider an exit."

This means car brands sell cars straight to customers instead of going through local dealerships. The point being made is that this approach in China is pressuring other parts of the industry and making some people think about leaving the dealer business.

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Car

Toyota Corolla

"...more folks to, you know, consider an exit. George Corolla is back on the CDG podcast. George, welcome."

The Toyota Corolla is a regular, everyday car that’s meant for commuting and daily errands. It’s popular because it’s easy to live with and is commonly sold in many places. That’s why it often shows up in dealership conversations.

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Topic

buy sales, M&A industry at large

"Before we get into buy sales, M&A industry at large, you always have, you always had some interesting event."

They’re about to talk about buying and selling dealerships and other big business deals in the auto industry. “M&A” just means companies merging together or being bought.

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Company

Presidio group

"The Presidio annual. Presidio annual event. Invite only."

The Presidio Group is the organization behind the annual invite-only retail dealer event discussed in this segment. The host references “Presidio annual event” and describes it as bringing together major dealers and technology companies.

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Person

Rick Hendrick

"We honored Mr. Hendrick this year, Rick Hendrick. It was an amazing couple of days."

Rick Hendrick is a well-known name in racing and car-related business. Here, the hosts say they honored him at their annual dealer event.

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Place

Charlotte Motor Speedway

"We had it at his private 1010s club off the Charlotte motor speedway there. He opened his home up for us."

Charlotte Motor Speedway is a famous race track in North Carolina. In this episode, it’s mentioned because the event was held at a private club connected to that area.

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Term

998

"I've seen everywhere the number, 998. They sold 998 units out of the Arizona store, and that's kind of been all over the web."

“998” here is just a number of cars sold—nearly a thousand units—from a specific store location. The host is using it to show how much volume the retailer is doing.

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disentry

"They seem to be accelerating their disentry in the new car world very quickly."

The word sounds like it means “cutting out the middle.” In car buying, that would mean reducing the traditional dealership step and letting customers buy more directly using online tools.

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frictionless process

"They're doing it with tremendous technology that they've been building for years, frictionless process that the customer wants. They don't have sales associates, they don't have a lot of the excess costs that dealers have to go through the process."

A frictionless process means the buying experience is designed to feel easy and fast, with fewer annoying steps. The host is saying their system makes it simpler for customers to get what they want.

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gross profit

"when you look at the traditional dealer model, north of 40% of total gross profit is paid out to people. That's excluding technicians, which are through gross profit."

Gross profit is the profit left after you pay the direct costs of getting and selling the product. Here, the host is saying dealerships split that profit across people and expenses, which affects how much is left.

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traditional dealer model

"and so dealers need to take note of that. We talked about it last time we were together, but when you look at the traditional dealer model, north of 40% of total gross profit is paid out to people."

The traditional dealer model is the normal way car dealerships operate, with salespeople and other staff involved in the sale. The host is comparing that to newer ways of selling cars that may have lower staffing and overhead.

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Company

Carvana

"Close to half of every dollar in gross profit generation is paid, and Carvana is doing a"

Carvana is a car-selling company that focuses on buying and selling cars online. The point here is that they can sell a lot of cars without the traditional dealership setup and costs.

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efficiency

"If you could become more efficient and optimize your expenses, and in some cases on the personnel side, that drops right to the bottom line."

In dealership terms, efficiency means doing the same work with less wasted time or money. The idea is that cutting unnecessary costs can help the dealership make more profit.

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bottom line

"If you could become more efficient and optimize your expenses, and in some cases on the personnel side, that drops right to the bottom line."

“Bottom line” just means how much money a business actually keeps after paying its bills. If costs go down, the bottom line can improve.

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EV thing

"In the main, it's all about what the customer wants, and it's kind of like the EV thing from a few years ago."

They’re comparing this situation to what happened with electric cars. When EV buyers wanted a smoother, easier buying experience, companies that streamlined their process did better.

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AIS

"[322.4s] in particular AI. [323.6s] Obviously, you can't have a conversation without talking about AI. [326.8s] It's kind of getting to the point, right? [328.2s] But it's real, right? [329.7s] AI's here."

AI just means “smart computer software.” It can look at lots of information and help make decisions faster—like figuring out which customers are most likely to buy a car.

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pace

"[339.5s] It seems like the first half of this year, in general, Pace has really picked up. [345.5s] Generally speaking, we're things standing right now today as we're recording this. [349.5s] It could be a record year, or if not, it will be a record year in buy sales. [353.9s] It'll likely be at least the second best year, but right now we're pacing to be equal to,"

“Pace” here means how fast things are going right now—like whether sales are running ahead of last year or on track for a record.

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COVID rush

"[361.6s] And how are we outperforming the COVID rush? [364.5s] How is that possible? [365.3s] Well, the COVID rush led to a lot of capital and a lot of new buyers, right? [372.4s] It's a different market, right? [379.6s] COVID rush, which was most were chasing anything, and any deal could get sold back then."

The “COVID rush” describes the unusual market surge during the COVID-era period when demand and buying behavior shifted rapidly. The host contrasts that time—where buyers chased almost any deal—with the current market’s different mix of buyer interests and seller supply.

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bifurcated market

"[372.4s] It's a different market, right? [373.7s] So there's a sort of bifurcated mark in terms of what folks are interested in versus the [379.6s] COVID rush, which was most were chasing anything, and any deal could get sold back then."

A “bifurcated market” means the market splits into two different segments with different buyer preferences and behavior. In this segment, the host says interest is split compared with the COVID rush, when buyers were more broadly chasing “anything” that could be sold.

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dealer body

"We see an aging dealer body, and when there's a lack of succession, that drives a lot of deals."

“Dealer body” just means the whole group of dealership owners in the industry. If many are getting older and don’t have someone to take over, more of them decide to sell.

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lack of succession

"We see an aging dealer body, and when there's a lack of succession, that drives a lot of deals."

Succession means having a plan for who will run the dealership next. If there isn’t a plan, owners are more likely to sell instead of keeping the business going.

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Brand

plug

"This episode is brought to you by Plug, the only wholesale auction built specifically for EVs."

Plug is the name of an auction service for dealers. The host says it’s made specifically to handle electric vehicles.

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used EVs

"Here's the issue. Most dealers are still pricing and moving used EVs like their gas cars."

This is about electric cars being sold used, not new. Dealers can’t always treat them like regular gas cars because buyers and prices can work differently.

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Concept

portfolio management

"But we see a majority of our business being on the portfolio management side, representing some of the largest. Most of the public companies, a lot of the biggest private groups in the country."

Portfolio management here means treating dealership locations like a “bundle” you manage together. Instead of just running one store, you decide which stores to add, sell, or keep.

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dealer portfolio

"But we see a majority of our business being on the portfolio management side, representing some of the largest. Most of the public companies, a lot of the biggest private groups in the country."

A dealer portfolio is just the collection of car dealerships a company owns. The conversation is about how those collections are being reshuffled through buying and selling.

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Brand

Audi

"Is everyone suddenly cold on Porsche? What's the Audi? Not necessarily. It's smirking."

Audi is a luxury car brand from Germany. In this conversation, it’s mentioned because Audi dealerships are among the stores changing hands.

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Car

Audi Couple Audi

".... Well, we did sell a couple Porsche stores and a couple Audi stores this year, but someone bought them."

An Audi Coupe is a two-door car from Audi that’s designed to look sporty and feel more engaging to drive. It’s the kind of car someone might choose if they want a more stylish, performance-focused body style. In a dealership setting, it can be a different kind of product than a typical four-door car.

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Brand

Stellanus

"There's a steady flow of Stellanus and Nissan. Nissan's ticking up a little bit in sentiment, but a steady flow of deals of that kind and"

“Stellanus” sounds like they meant Stellantis, a big car company that owns multiple brands. They’re talking about dealership deals involving that company.

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Nissan

"There's a steady flow of Stellanus and Nissan. Nissan's ticking up a little bit in sentiment, but a steady flow of deals of that kind and"

Nissan is a major Japanese car brand. They’re saying Nissan dealerships are seeing more deal activity and improving sentiment compared with some other brands.

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Volvo

"but a steady flow of deals of that kind and Volkswagen and Volvo and things like that. Right."

Volvo is a car brand from Sweden. They mention it because Volvo dealerships are part of the ongoing buy/sell activity.

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Volkswagen

"but a steady flow of deals of that kind and Volkswagen and Volvo and things like that. Right."

Volkswagen is a big car brand from Germany. Here it’s just one of the brands they’re seeing deals for in the dealership market.

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fixed operations

"And again, it's fixed operations that is a big player. Now, your margins on those vehicles are great. Nothing happens anywhere in any dealership until you sell a vehicle."

In a car dealership, “fixed operations” means the money the store makes from things like servicing cars and selling parts. It’s usually more steady than selling new cars, because cars still need repairs and maintenance even when sales are slow.

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video MPI

"the big one right now, of course, is the video MPI with like Ray-Ban glasses or trying to automate more of that aspect to get, you know, a more efficient technician, "

A “video MPI” is an inspection where the dealership uses video to show a car’s condition in several spots. Instead of just telling you what’s wrong, they can show you on camera, which helps you understand the recommendations.

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upsell process

"a more thorough RO, upsell process, but just really fascinating stuff happening on that side of the office"

An “upsell process” is the dealership’s structured approach to recommending additional services or higher-value options beyond the customer’s original request. In service, it often relies on inspection findings to propose recommended maintenance or repairs.

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variable

"which, by the way, I saw a lot more focus on variable from like 2020 to 2025 in terms of innovation. So that's going to be interesting to watch."

“Variable” here is basically saying things changed from 2020 to 2025—innovation wasn’t the same all the time. It’s pointing to shifting priorities in how dealerships try new ideas.

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Brand

Porsche

"What are dealers telling you right now behind closed doors on Porsche? What is the deal with Porsche? Porsche is a bifurcated market as well."

Porsche is a famous German sports-car brand. This segment is about how Porsche’s dealer situation and limited supply can make some dealerships do well while others struggle.

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cut margins

"Porsche cut margins over the last year or so. Their production is off."

“Margins” are the profit dealers make on each sale. If Porsche “cut margins,” it likely means dealers have less profit per car, which can hurt stores that don’t sell many units.

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production is off

"Porsche cut margins over the last year or so. Their production is off."

It means the company is making fewer cars than usual. When fewer cars are available, some dealerships can sell well while others struggle.

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facility requirements

"Their production is off. Their facility requirements are significant."

Facility requirements are the standards a dealership has to meet to sell a brand. If those requirements are expensive or demanding, smaller dealers can be at a disadvantage.

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allocation

"And so some dealers, especially the smaller ones, that don't get the allocation or don't sell as many vehicles are under pressure."

Allocation is how many cars a brand sends to each dealership. If a dealer doesn’t get enough cars, it’s harder for them to sell and make money.

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Brand

BMW

"It's valued right up there with Mercedes and BMW. We actually see more demand from Mercedes and BMW."

BMW is a major premium car brand. The host is saying they see stronger demand from BMW than from Porsche, even though Porsche is still highly desired.

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Mercedes

"It's valued right up there with Mercedes and BMW. We actually see more demand from Mercedes and BMW."

Mercedes-Benz is another premium car brand. The host is comparing how much demand they’re seeing versus Porsche.

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UIO

"You have less fixed operations. Less UIO. Less to pull from."

UIO is a dealership metric that roughly tracks how many vehicles/units the store has working for it. The host is saying smaller Porsche dealers have fewer units available, which makes it harder to keep up.

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Brand

Chevy

"I saw Chevy Rose in your dealer sentiment. One of the only mainstream brands to rise, I think alongside Kia, what's driving?"

Chevy is short for Chevrolet, a big U.S. car brand. They’re saying Chevy dealerships are seeing better customer demand and sentiment.

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Kia

"One of the only mainstream brands to rise, I think alongside Kia, what's driving? What do you see at Chevy?"

Kia is a car brand that sells a lot of mainstream vehicles. Here it’s mentioned as one of the brands that’s doing better in dealer sentiment.

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EV noise

"Well, Chevy, a janitor, has done a great job. They've waded through the EV noise much better. They're producing vehicles that customers want."

“EV noise” means all the talk and confusion about electric cars. The point here is that Chevy handled that distraction better than some competitors.

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Brand

GM

"And so we're seeing a lot of positive demand sentiment amongst GM dealers. Same for GMC. GMC truck and the Yukon in particular are great vehicles."

GM is General Motors, the big company that owns brands like Chevy and GMC. They’re saying GM dealers are feeling more positive because people want certain GM vehicles.

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GMC

"Same for GMC. GMC truck and the Yukon in particular are great vehicles."

GMC is a car brand that focuses a lot on trucks and SUVs. They’re saying GMC trucks and the Yukon are doing especially well.

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Car

GMC Yukon

"Same for GMC. GMC truck and the Yukon in particular are great vehicles."

The GMC Yukon is a large SUV from GMC. The host is saying it’s selling well and customers are responding to it.

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multiple

"Like you could make the Army its price to perfection, and its multiple was raised again this quarter. ... Toyota stores, yeah, we raise them multiple."

A “multiple” is a valuation yardstick—basically a number that tells you how much buyers are willing to pay based on the dealership’s results. If the multiple goes up, it usually means the dealership is worth more than before.

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Brand

Toyota stores

"Not every buyer, but most buyers want to own Toyota stores. I'm a double Toyota Ford, baby. There you go."

“Toyota stores” just means Toyota dealerships. People use it when talking about how well each dealership sells cars and what the dealership business is worth.

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Brand

Lexus

"And we just rode in your Lexus. Yeah, old Lexus Ford. Lexus is a different beast. We can talk about Lexus in a second."

Lexus is Toyota’s luxury car brand. It’s aimed at buyers who want a more upscale experience than regular Toyota models.

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demand and supply balance

"And there's a significant demand and supply and balance in favor of sellers. They're a great brand..."

This phrase means whether there are more buyers than available cars/dealerships, or vice versa. If it’s “in favor of sellers,” it means sellers have the advantage.

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throughput

"They're a great brand, most highest throughput amongst any of the brands, even luxury per dealer, even though they have over 1200 dealers, still the highest throughput over 1700 per dealer."

In dealership talk, “throughput” means how much business a dealership produces—typically sales volume per store over a period. When the host says Toyota has the “highest throughput,” they’re arguing Toyota dealers sell more cars (or generate more revenue) per dealer than other brands.

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luxury dealer

"They're a great brand, most highest throughput amongst any of the brands, even luxury per dealer, even though they have over 1200 dealers..."

“Luxury per dealer” means how much money or sales luxury dealerships average per dealership. The host is saying Toyota dealers are doing that well too.

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non-core market

"Okay. In a non-core market of theirs. And in the last couple of months, they actually bought a bigger Mercedes store, same brand in Southern California,"

A “non-core market” is a place where a dealership group doesn’t want to concentrate its main efforts. They may sell or exit those areas to focus on stronger regions.

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moat

"Okay. ... And so, they have a moat, they have huge scale in Southern Cal, they have the Newport store."

A “moat” is a metaphor for something that helps a business stay ahead of competitors. Here, it means the dealership group has advantages that make it harder for others to take customers.

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Company

Asbury

"We sold, gosh, 10 stores for Asbury in the first quarter of this year. They actually exited a couple of markets."

Asbury is a company that owns and runs car dealerships. In this segment, it’s used as an example of a dealership group selling some locations and changing where it operates.

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Place

St. Louis

"They actually exited a couple of markets. They exited St. Louis and most that was luxury, but that's coming off the heels of the Herb Chamber Sale,"

St. Louis is a city the dealership group is talking about leaving. That means they sold dealerships there or stopped operating as much in that area.

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dealer plate

"And so, there's all different reasons. Keep the dealer plate. [1877.5s] Different reasons."

A “dealer plate” is a special plate that lets a dealership legally drive and use certain cars for business purposes. The speaker is saying some groups keep a store just to keep access to that setup.

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demo

"Yeah, you want to keep your demo. You got to keep the demo. I got to keep a store so I have a demo."

A “demo” is a car the dealership uses to show customers and let them test drive. The speaker is saying dealers may keep a location so they can keep that demo car.

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Concept

80-20 rule

"But I think that's one example, but the 80-20 rule and some of the larger companies will have stores that they are putting 80% of their resources on trying to fix, trying to address, and it's taken away from optimizing and growing more properly."

The 80-20 rule means you get most of the results from a smaller set of things. In dealership terms, it’s about putting most effort into the locations or fixes that matter most.

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M&A report

"of course, our M&A report, we changed multiples twice a year. So, that just came out last week."

An “M&A report” is a summary of buying and selling companies. In this context, it’s about dealership deals and what prices and trends operators are seeing.

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EV mandates expiration

"Again, we're coming off of a tough. The third quarter is going to be the last tough comp from the prior year because there were the EV mandates expiration there."

“EV mandates expiration” refers to the end of a regulatory requirement timeline related to electric-vehicle obligations. In retail terms, it can affect demand, inventory planning, and how dealers manage profitability during the transition period.

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three-year outlook

"And I think that lines up with what we're hearing from dealers, especially in the three-year outlook that we talked about."

A “three-year outlook” is a plan for what the business expects to happen over the next few years. It helps dealers decide how to run the store and manage costs.

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FNI

"Again, focus on fixed. We didn't talk about FNI, but FNI is a big driver of dealer focus and then expense optimization."

“FNI” usually means the money a dealership makes from financing and insurance. Even if vehicle sales are slower, strong finance/insurance sales can help dealers’ profits.

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pipeline

"And we think that the M&A world is going to be alive and well. And we're going to see a strong finish to the year. We're seeing that in our pipeline."

A “pipeline” is a list of deals that are currently being worked on. It’s a way to estimate how much business is likely to happen soon.

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Brand

CDG

"We're seeing that in our pipeline. We're just seeing that in deals that are announced and reported on, especially by CDG and the great tracker that y'all have."

“CDG” is a named source they use to track dealership deals. It’s mentioned as where you can see announcements and reporting.

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