Jaguar Finally Reads the Room

Welcome to the Avant's Podcast. I'm Dan.

And I'm Nick.

I was like, it's cold here.

It's really cold here.

It's really, really cold.

It's been cold, and I don't like it.

It's been raining so hard, as you know.

And so I don't mind the rain.

I can get through it.

But I had to take the truck in today.

They're working on those sensors up front that are overactive.

So I've got to work on that.

Yeah.

Mine goes in tomorrow for who knows how many Ford recall updates

in an oil change.

Oh, that's good.

That's good.

I mean, you know, that's important.

How many miles do you have on your truck now?

Almost 13,000.

Oh, wow.

How did you put that?

Wow.

OK.

You're driving across the country.

Oh, that's true.

I forgot about that, yeah.

He was asking me about my mileage.

And he's like, it's really low,

because I only have like 15,000 miles in like 18 months.

And I was like, honestly, it would be lower than that

because I put like 2,500 of those miles

for going to Moab and back.

Yeah.

Yeah, that's really it.

So those long cross country drives, they're worth it.

But man, yeah, they rack up the miles quick.

Yeah, I agree.

I agree.

Well, you know, what do you do?

Enjoy them.

That's what they're there for.

Enjoy them.

Yeah, exactly.

Exactly.

I'm hoping the resale values of ranger raptors

will hold just like the regular raptors and the Broncos

and things like that.

So they're pretty high demand trucks.

I mean, they've got a good track record.

I think if anything, they'll be in that not quite Tacoma spot

just because it doesn't have the name recognition with it.

But it'll be really close to it.

And that's sort of, you know, what it's the ranger to have.

And everybody's going to keep wanting them,

especially in the used market.

They're kind of that niche with the, you know,

just like all the raptors are.

So I'm assuming you will be correct.

I don't think the, I don't know if the Bronco will

fair as well, just because it wasn't nearly as popular,

but the Bronco, but the ranger and F-150 Raptor

forever going to be the truck stand up.

But I mean, you look at some of these used raptors,

like used F-150 Raptors that have 40 or 50,000 miles

and they're still selling for 60, 70, you know,

which is pretty good.

Yeah. I mean, my trade only cost me like 5,000

and I had 50 something, almost 50,000 miles

I want to trade it in.

Literally I got a $5,000 depreciation and 50,000 miles,

which is unheard of.

It's insane.

That is.

Yeah.

So thanks Ford.

That was a good time for you.

It gives them an abusing, right?

Hey.

Exactly.

Well, we're actually going to talk about a little bit later

about Trump rolling back the fuel efficiency rules.

But I mean, the head of Ford, Mr. Farley's cousin was up.

They were there.

They were talking.

There's some cool stuff coming.

But first we want to get to the Carter Automotive tip.

Yeah. Today I want to talk about OBD2.

Well, OBD scanners in general is what I wanted to look at.

Shockingly.

Well, we're talking about those,

or should we talk about speeding tickets?

Which one do you want to talk about?

Speeding tickets.

Let's go.

Speeding tickets.

Okay. I'll do OBD next week.

Okay. Next week.

All right.

So the question is, is it worth it to fight that ticket?

And the short answer is yes, always.

Always, always, always.

Not because you didn't do something wrong.

That's not the point.

The fact is the average increase of insurance for one ticket,

one is 26%.

And with our insurance rates as high as they are

and keep rising, that is a ton of money.

It's all variable based on the state and insurance rates

and state by state insurance rules.

So it's not like they have one set limit.

And it depends greatly on your insurance provider as well.

But like progressive, they're on the high-end scale,

29 to 39% state farm.

It's on the low end, about 12% on average.

But Washington, you're paying more for insurance anyway.

If you're in our state, California,

you're in the same boat as we are.

Arizona, you guys are a lot better

on the insurance rates, same with Colorado, oddly enough.

For now, actually Colorado I think is going up even higher.

Anyway, basically anywhere your car

is going to get sold in a lot is

where you're going to get those really high rates.

That's typically what you're paying for.

And in states where people are driving nicer cars,

those insurance rates are a lot higher

because those claims are a lot more expensive.

So shocking.

But yeah.

Well, and also when we were kids,

I remember, I don't know how I figured it out.

When I first got my driver's license

and was paying my own insurance,

I figured out somehow how often your insurance went

and looked at your record, which wasn't that often,

especially for a new driver.

Now they have such quick access to everybody's DOL records

and things like that.

Yeah, it's not manual anymore.

It's just a standard thing they run every,

I don't know, 30 to 90 days, I think it is.

But also, it's not just the one ticket.

One ticket can make a big difference,

but it's even worse the faster you go.

So if you're that 10 plus over,

that 11 to 15 mile an hour range,

that's usually a 25-ish percent increase.

And so the slower you go, the better in this case.

But point being like, you know, you're gonna,

I haven't had a ticket in, oh man, 15 years probably.

So I'm gonna slip up at one of these points

and just not notice, especially I'm surprised

how often I drive out of state

and I'm, you know, speed limit's constantly changing.

Luckily, you know, GPS has helped.

Thanks for Google Maps and Waze showing

the speed limit changes.

And it's usually pretty accurate,

but, you know, mistakes happen.

It's always worth it to get a lawyer, always.

Just to get that ticket dropped

for whatever reason you can,

because that is such a huge, huge increase.

I mean, we have newer vehicles,

so our insurance is quite a bit higher,

but I think I pay, oh, I think I just paid my insurance.

I would say it's like about 10,000 a year

for the three vehicles.

The Bronco, the R8 and the F-150,

the two motor cycles, the trailer.

So yeah, it can be a pretty,

once you think about that increase across all of those

because you're a driver with some of all those,

that's a lot of money.

I mean, that's an extra $2,000 a year in my case,

that would be for a 20% bump.

So.

Don't think I've had,

I don't think I've had a speeding ticket.

I don't know, ever.

I've always gotten pulled over for stupid shit.

I'm infamous for being pulled over in the carpool lane,

or have been.

I haven't been nailed for that in a long time.

So what about the Cobra?

Didn't you get to speed the second in the Cobra?

I don't know what that was.

No, I didn't because I, well, okay, yes, I did.

You're correct.

I forgot about that, at least I did.

I should have clarified,

I haven't gotten a speeding ticket in a car, I don't.

But I did, I went to our good friend, Jagmotto,

and paid what it probably cost me for the ticket

to have it disappear.

Because, well, that was the police officer's fault

for riding down that I was driving a Subaru

while in a Cobra.

Cobra.

So you took it off my insurance card, ironically.

My insurance, I mean, and I got that off,

I got that cleared up quickly to the point

my insurance never caught it.

I don't know how that works,

like if you're fighting it and the insurance catches it

and then it goes away.

If they take it back.

Well, if you're fighting it, it hasn't been filed yet.

It doesn't get filed until it's no longer contested,

it's gone through the court system

and it says, yes, you've been,

it's not a, it's technically it's a crime,

but yeah, until it's filed, it's not on your record.

So, yeah, I remember back in the,

it's like the 90s.

You could basically delay a ticket forever.

You could just keep delaying the court system

until either the police forgot about it

because this is like pre-internet.

Computers were new, small departments

didn't have really good systems,

even big departments had terrible systems.

They still do for a lot of places.

But you could basically just keep delaying a ticket

with court dates until they just forgot about it

and they lost it.

It was a pretty funny thing.

I did that with a ticket that I got up in Canada one time

back in 97 and I just kept delaying the ticket

until the RCMP lost it.

And that was at the advice of a lawyer at the time.

They're like, oh, Canada's easy, just keep delaying it.

Like their court system is so slow and so,

like just so incredibly inefficient.

This is a long time ago, not now.

Now it's like instant, like you said.

But you can basically just keep delaying it.

Also, this is not legal advice.

Do not listen to those do not.

This would not work now.

Don't ever.

These are stories.

Yeah, but he just said, yeah,

just keep saying you can't appear for the court date

and ask them to reschedule it

and eventually they'll stop asking.

They'll just lose it.

He's like, seriously?

He's like, yeah, I do it all the time.

He's like, I never go to Canada for tickets.

I just tell people to keep rescheduling.

And they did.

And they just rescheduled it like six times

and it just eventually just disappeared.

They think someday you're gonna run up to Canada

and they're gonna be like,

oh, we've been looking for you, Mr. Putnam.

Yeah, I've been through the border tons of time.

So I mean, I know that, you know, I know they don't

but it's pretty fine.

That's why you always make Shauna drive to Canada.

I get it now.

It's true.

I just sit quietly at the passenger seat and say,

yeah, just you go.

He's mute.

He doesn't know any better.

Yeah.

Anyway, yeah, so fight those tickets.

It's absolutely worth it.

They do affect your rates a lot.

And so, I mean, obviously the best thing to do

is fight it and get a drop.

If that is not the option,

sometimes you can get it deferred down

to a non-moving violation.

Like they might change a speeding ticket

to a seatbelt violation,

which they still do oddly enough,

which is not a moving violation.

And so, yeah, pay the fine.

You're way better off.

Even if you pay your attorney and that fine,

it's still way cheaper to pay a $200 seatbelt ticket

or, you know, distracted driving cell phone ticket,

which won't go on your record in some places.

Will and others, you can,

those just can't count as non-moving violations.

And those can, you know, yeah, you're gonna pay,

but it's way cheaper than that insurance hike.

And if deferment is an option,

it's always a good idea where basically you say,

I won't commit this again.

And if I do, then I get two tickets on my record.

If I don't, it drops off in a certain amount of time.

Yeah, that scares me.

Like I haven't had tickets in forever

and that still scares me.

You're right.

Better than taking the ticket.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I agree.

Yeah.

Anyway, we got some good stories this week.

A lot's happened.

Well, yeah, I mean, let's start with the fact that,

again, we're not political,

but this is happening in automotive news

that Trump has rolled back

the Biden-era vehicle efficiency rules.

This has a lot of really good repercussions

for people that are in the automotive industry.

We could see everything

from really small fuel efficient K cars

coming into the United States.

You know, we could see a lot of these car companies

that are now not under this thumbprint

to produce these cars that nobody really wants

and that no one is buying.

And again, I know we're coming at this

from an automotive side, not a political side.

I just want to clarify that

because we try very hard just to walk that line.

But as a car person,

you know, this is really great news to us.

Yeah, whatever gets us more fun cars to drive,

we are in favor of.

Yeah, it's trying to think there's always

these weird cars that get out

and you're like, who is buying this?

I've always wondered why some of this come out.

I guess Chevy's kind of,

Chevy and GM are kind of famous for this,

for having building cars that nobody kind of wants

and just kind of sit for a while

that nobody forgets about, Dodge too.

You're like, why does this exist?

Like you mean like commuter cars and things like that?

Yeah, but like, you know,

the commuter market has really gone

toward the city SUV market.

And so we get these weird one-offs.

Like the Dodge Dart is a perfect example of this.

Nobody wanted the new one.

Nobody wanted the new Dodge Dart.

Nobody bought the new Dodge Dart.

It was a rebadge, was it an alpha?

What was it, a Fiat?

I can't remember what it was.

It was some European cars.

I mean, I don't know what the basis was.

It had other body work on it, yeah.

Yeah, and we were always like,

why did this car even make it here?

And this is why, because they had to build

these certain cars that had these fuel efficiency

standards that they needed to,

they were almost like building an intentional

right off to me.

And maybe if somebody with more background on this

could inform me more, but it always seemed like

there's always these weird cars that they'll fall in this.

And so I'm excited to see what they'll do,

because it's not like, you know,

it's not like people are buying on fuel efficiency still,

not as much as people think.

But if you look at like another best selling vehicle

in the world, the F-150,

nobody's buying an F-150 because it gets great mileage.

I'm buying it because it's a nice truck to drive around

and it's just useful for everything.

And it gets good enough mileage

in the V6 or the hybrid.

Not good, good enough for most people.

We're fortunate here in the US

to still have that amazingly cheap fuel

compared to most of the world,

especially Europe and Canada, things like that.

Like our fuel is dirt cheap here compared to most places,

even if it's not in Washington and California,

it's still really cheap compared to most places.

So we have the luxury of driving

a lot of vehicles that we want.

And we have a lot of open road.

So yeah, I'm excited to see more fun vehicles.

I hope this gets to that.

I mean, I think with a lot of these countries

kind of aligning and wanting to bring

some of these things into the United States,

especially Japan,

I think we could end up seeing a lot of cars

that we weren't allowed to have come over here.

I think the idea of them coming here,

I think the issue that could stop them

is the crash test data.

I don't think K cars are going to stand up

against our F-150s and things like that over here.

So I think that might be the thing that would stop them

but it may actually help us to get

some of the older vehicles in under some of these laws

that obviously we've seen a huge influx,

especially in the car community

of people buying the K trucks and things like that.

And I'm focusing on this

because this was actually something

that was brought up during the meeting.

And if you didn't see it was,

there was a bunch of the heads

of the major automobile companies

were with him in the Oval Office for this

including Farley from Ford and things like that.

So it seems like they're kind of embracing this.

I think it'll be good market.

I think we're always going to want fuel efficient cars

but we also want to have the ability

to have a car that's not.

We want to have our Raptors for fun

and we want to have our dailies

that we can drive to the store and you know.

Well, even then I think one of the things

this could really open up is the diesel market.

Is the diesel market's choked to death

with the useless death that ruins motors

and isn't more efficient.

We're not getting better mileage

in our diesels now than we were before.

They're not getting suddenly cleaner

and our EPA rules for cars do almost nothing.

And I'm not saying roll back, kill it at converters.

Not a thing crazy like that.

But they're way too strict now.

They're not actually that effective.

We don't reduce greenhouse gases that much.

Traffic is what increases greenhouse gases.

It's not just, you know,

the one dude out there in a de-smog diesel.

I don't mean rolling coal.

I mean, the guy who got rid of the dev

because he doesn't want to keep filling it up

and he's just running over the gas.

Not the rolling coal guys.

Those guys are stupid.

We don't even like those guys and I love diesels

but that's just dumb.

I just mean like regular diesels

aren't what you're worried about.

You know, it's one day out of a coal factory

that's gonna offset every diesel truck in America.

You know, so think about it that way.

And so it's getting that like that,

you know, our ranger diesel options

that we couldn't have before

when we couldn't get the Ranger Raptor before

because it had that diesel option.

That would be a really cool vehicle

for people who like the, or the Ranger Super Duty.

Stuff like that that we can't get

because of the emissions.

That's what's gonna be really cool to see.

Those land cruisers that we can't get because of diesel

that people actually want here.

There's a good market for that

for people who want reliable work trucks

with, you know, without mid-sized work trucks

with actual, you know, not beds on them

but flat beds on the back, different configuration options.

That's a really cool thing to have.

More diesel cars.

There's a lot of advantages

and we don't need death.

It's stupid.

So basically any of the youths from Australia

is what I'm hearing.

Yeah, any of the youths from Australia.

Also different, also this could be

our work our way into commercial diesel as well.

Big diesels.

Those guys hate death as much as we do.

It's hard on their engines.

It's hard on everything they, it's, you know

cleaning out those death filters is not fun

or the, what do you call them?

The filters that come, I guess it is a death filter

but in the exhaust, the exhaust filter.

I haven't had to deal with it.

Like I said, the first time I've really seen it

or dealt with it was when you had your GMC.

Or the, yeah, the regen stuff you never saw.

Like all that stuff doesn't, I mean,

if you think about, they talk about packaging,

the packaging for death pretty much offsets

the entire initiative of death.

All the plastic and stuff.

All the plastic, all the cardboard.

You know, those I threw away.

I mean, nobody's recycling a death container

not to mention that it's urea.

So you got to get that from somewhere.

So there's farming involved and even getting the death.

That's the thing that people don't think about at all

when they think of production and saving the environment

is the supply chain that requires saving the environment

is often worse than the product that it's out there.

And, you know, there's a learning curve to that.

You have to, you know, things start dirty and get clean

but, you know, it's the same thing with lithium mining.

When you start looking at the supply chain

of saving the planet, there's a lot of money

in saving the planet.

There's a reason people are saving the planet

and it's not because they're saving,

they want to save the planet.

It's because there's a lot of money in saving the planet.

Yes.

Let's be real.

Money to be made.

Well, it'll be interesting to see how it kind of

irons out and again, you know, we can be on an upturn here

depending on the next administration.

We could be on a downturn.

So things like this come and go, you just never know.

We are going to take a moment of silence

on the podcast here because Jaguar Land Rover

asked their head of design to,

they asked him to leave the company on Monday.

And if you haven't followed the story out,

we've talked about it a ton.

This is the gentleman that designed the woke Jaguars.

That's what they called it, not us.

Yeah, yeah, it was.

And it was probably the, in my lifetime,

I think it's the single worst marketing campaign

I've ever seen ever for anything in my life.

I don't think I've ever seen that much backlash

from the community saying,

hey, good job ruining a 100 year old brand.

Well, yeah.

I just want to read this statement.

He didn't quick, he wasn't fired and let go.

Jaguar Land Rover CEO Gary McGovern

was asked to leave the company on Monday

saying that his position was terminated

with immediate effect.

And he was then escorted out of the offices

in an unexpected mood for a C-suite employee.

So, I mean, he was terminated

with extreme prejudice as they would say.

Well, I don't know where his golden parachute

will land him, but I wish him not.

Yeah, I was gonna say.

That's a good point.

I'm sure it's a pretty parachute.

So, we'll have to see what happens

with Jaguar Land Rover and where they go.

Obviously, that was a huge swing and a miss.

I don't think I've met one person that liked that move.

And so, we'll have to see.

Yeah, that went over about as well as the Cybertruck

as far as the, but at least people were polarized

by the Cybertruck for something different.

Yeah, we called that one from a mile away.

We had ourselves on the back for being right

because at us and 99% of the planet

who's ever seen a car, we're just like,

you know what, that's really, really ugly

and really stupid and you shouldn't do that, Jaguar.

And yeah, they didn't because that was stupid.

Anyway, so.

Here's a couple of fun stories.

I'm gonna read you a headline

and see if you can figure out.

It says, Porsches are mysteriously shutting down

but only in one country.

It seems that if you own a 2013 Porsche to modern

and you live in Russia right now,

your cars are just shutting off.

They are just this, I don't know,

they don't know if it's a hack,

if somebody is trying to get back at the country of Russia

or anybody that's driving a Porsche in Russia.

But like I said, it's happening.

Everything they did far back is 2013.

Cars are just shutting down

and they're not exactly quite sure.

I would assume that Porsche is not being real active

about trying to fix it,

being considering all of the tariffs

and what are they, we call restrictions

on Russia right now with the war going on.

Yeah.

So, you know, but it is making car news.

It's, you know, basically owners of the country

have reported they're experiencing sudden engine shutdowns

and fuel cut-offs.

So I'm wondering if somebody has hacked Porsche.

Is there a Porsche scan?

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking, like, you know.

Yeah, when did Porsche start doing over-the-air updates?

That would be my first thought.

2013.

Because Russian hackers are good.

Yeah.

Yeah, 2013 seems really early.

I don't think, I don't know what they would have got.

I don't think this would be Russian hackers.

To my point, I think this would be somebody

outside Russia trying to,

maybe somebody that's probed the other side.

Yeah, I mean, so, sanctions.

That's the word I was looking for, sanctions.

Sanctions, yes.

That's the word.

Yeah, it makes you wonder.

2013 would be really old for that.

I could see that on newer cars very easily.

I wouldn't say easily, but I can see that being,

at some point, a very real risk for cars now.

Because, you know, somebody gets in,

it's not like, at the rate ECUs are unlocked by tuners,

you know it's not that hard.

And that's gonna be a problem later with newer cars.

Because right now, have you been getting

over-the-air updates in your truck?

Yeah, I get them at a minor scheduled

for one in the morning.

I get an over-the-air update.

My display gets an update.

Some kind of update goes out.

Well, I actually hate it,

because I get in there and everything is changed.

That's the only reason I know it's happened.

Yeah, all of a sudden, my seat doesn't go back into place.

They always miss some kind of beat.

So I'm just saying the guardrails

aren't exactly real tight on these things.

And so, if a tuner can unlock the ECU

and there's over-the-air updates,

think of like, hey, we can just send you

this tune over-the-air.

You know what's gonna happen.

Somebody's gonna shut down an entire fleet of some brand.

It'll probably be Hyundai or Kia.

Um, given their rate.

All the Prius has stopped working?

Yeah.

I can see Toyota being a little better about it,

but yeah, I could see, you know,

all the Hyundai Ion again,

it's just all of a sudden startup

and back out through the garage.

It's all possible.

I mean, and to continue this story of Russia,

and I don't know why both of these,

both of these were in the news yesterday.

The title of this one is

BMW catches dealer exporting cars to Russia.

There is a dealership in Handover, Germany,

that BMW has caught, that they know of,

that is involved with managing

to get a hundred cars into Russia.

So somebody thought they were gonna have

a little bit of a, you know, a good sales day.

Obviously, BMW is not saying,

it's from their fleets.

We're assuming it's a bunch of seven series

going into Russia, because a lot of the,

how do I say this?

Richer people in Russia like to drive these big cars,

but BMW has caught it.

They say that they've been, you know,

a lot of these car companies have talked about this,

where they wouldn't ship cars to Russia

for obvious reasons.

If orders come in, they're canceling them,

things like this.

But this dealership just decided

that that wasn't something

that they were willing to abide by,

and it looks like BMW has caught up with them

in their home country, of course.

So we'll have to kind of see

what the backlash of this is.

I don't know the legal, legally,

obviously with the sanctions, it's, you know,

is it illegal to do this?

Probably not.

We've heard stories of people taking cars into Russia

through like China, and like, and Sarminia.

And there's some road in the backside of Russia

where there was, it's like,

literally there's a parking lot at the border

that's just full of these,

like Rolls Royces and things like that.

But this seems like it was a little more blazing.

And so, and it has made sure

that all the employees involved have been fired.

So I don't know if there will be,

and it's, you know, it's handover,

so that they might be fired

and their whole families might be killed.

Who knows?

Yeah, Russia, do it the old fashioned way.

Steal them from here,

ship them in a container,

and then take them.

Don't buy them.

God, stick with your old ways.

Like a good car thief, right?

So I don't know, you know,

I mean, obviously, you know,

Russia's been in the news for a long time,

but this is sort of interesting.

And you would think that it'd be pretty easy

because the minute somebody buys that car

and gets it into Russia and turns it on,

it's gonna be connecting to all these satellites

and BMW is gonna go,

hey, wait a minute,

why is this VIN all of a sudden driving around Russia?

So, yeah, I wonder if that's gonna be a thing later,

just like we were talking about before

with the OBD stuff and the Porsches,

I wonder if that's gonna be a thing later

where cars are so interconnected

that stealing them makes them almost impossible.

So like you'd have to cut them into pieces

because it'll be pretty easy at this point to say,

hey, my car's stolen, click, disable the whole thing.

And I mean, with something like a full electric car,

you could do more than disable it.

You could permanently fry it if you really wanted to.

I mean, you could overload the batteries.

There's all sorts of things you could do

if you were, let's just say,

you've been addictive enough and had the skill set.

You had access to that kind of stuff.

You could be like, yeah, charge this thing to,

I don't know, 250%, let's see what happens.

You know, instant high tech bomb, quite literally.

I have a feeling knowing some of the world out there,

if you barbecued a car thief,

you would be the bad guy

instead of the person stealing the car.

Well, yeah, for sure.

But I also know people with a lot of money

who would do it anyway and not care.

I agree.

So you do bring up a good point

as far as these cars being so connected

and how things are, they don't really,

the older cars, like, you know,

the older civics always are the ones that get stolen

because they're not technology advanced.

The steering columns are easy to crack, things like that.

Do not take any of this vice and use it, FYI.

But, you know, the new stuff,

I think is just so hard to,

I mean, they talk about people

not leaving their keys by their door

because they can grab the signal,

but I just don't think you're gonna get very far in a car

in the fact that that's why they're doing it at night

because it gives them longer to do something with the car.

But, yeah.

I'm gonna know if my truck's gone

within probably three minutes.

Yeah, same, yeah.

Say, mine alerts me when it turns on with the app, so.

Yeah, well, also, I mean,

when my truck starts up, it starts up in Raptor mode

and that exhaust is gonna wake me up, so.

Mine too, mine's really loud.

Good luck with that, yeah.

Yeah.

What else we got?

I mean, those were the major stories

that I came up with as far as,

you know, I just wanted to really, you know,

a moment of silence for Jaguar Land Rover

and then apparently all the good car stuff's

happening in Russia right this week, so.

So, it's kind of funny, I was reading an article about,

these are the deadliest cars on the road,

not because of, not because of,

it's interesting that it's not just due

to like how they're built.

It's not because they're cheap cars

or because they're built terribly most of the time.

It's actually because, well, it's funny.

Two, the top two are what made me bring this up.

The cheapest one, they're the cheap,

one of the cheapest crossovers on the market,

City SUVs is the Hyundai Venue.

It's the cheapest vehicle Hyundai sells.

And as a result, it's the number one on the list.

4.9% higher than average fatalities

in other cars, but number two is the C8 Corvette.

Okay, 13.6 fatal accidents per billion miles traveled.

I mean, is that just from people driving a car

they don't understand or what's,

I think it's cheap speed

because relatively C8s, even a base C8 is really fast,

really fast.

It's like zero to 60 in three and a half seconds,

almost 200 mile an hour car.

I think it's just cheap speed.

I think it's people getting it over their head.

And then like number three is the Mitsubishi Mirage.

And that's because it's a tiny little tin can

and it's probably made as cheap as humanly possible.

Yeah, apparently it still does.

Oh, I was gonna say on the Corvettes

that it was because of the small footwell

and large new balance shoes.

But that could be, you know, getting stuck.

Yeah, and people can't figure out the doors,

which always makes me laugh in every Corvette

because they have electronic doors.

And if you don't pull the latch, people can't open it.

But people don't, for some reason,

can't see the giant latch.

It's been in the same place since the 1984 C4 Corvette.

So, well, you and I have talked about this

along these lines of being able to buy a car

that you are not qualified to drive

because you've been successful in business

or have enough money.

And the idea that right now you could go in

and order a ZX or ZR1X, you know,

with 1,000-some horsepower in Wisconsin

and take it out on the road and drive it

and nobody's gonna stop you.

Like, there's no, there's no waiver that says,

have you taken a race course?

Do you know how to drive this car?

Or a button that the dealership can push that says,

yeah, we're gonna let you buy this car,

but we're only gonna give you 300 horsepower

for the first month.

Yeah, I can see somebody out there getting it.

Yeah, let's see what she can do.

Slams on the gas straight into the side of the road.

Well, we talked about it.

We talked about it.

What's the record?

Like 300 meters or something for a Hellcat?

Like it made it out of the parking lot

and he ran it into a pole, like barely out of the, like,

so, you know, there's a lot of factors,

but stupidity is probably the highest one.

Well, yeah, I guarantee stupidity is the highest factor.

Yeah.

Okay, so Hyundai, Corvette, the Mitsubishi Mirage,

which I don't know how it makes the list

because I didn't even know we still had

Mitsubishi dealers, but okay.

Yeah, oh, and then there's the,

I think it's the, let me just check here again,

the 911, I believe, actually.

I believe it.

Here you go, I lost a place there.

So number four of the Porsche 911.

Okay.

I mean, we've always talked about the fact

that Porsche will settle itself out,

so it takes a lot to really screw that up.

Yeah, like older 911s, I could totally see this,

especially 930 turbos, but new ones,

my 911 turbo was, you would have to be,

I mean, I guess you can overdrive them really easily.

You get overconfident with all-wheel drive.

I mean, not that all they all are,

but I think most of them are at this point,

and so I think people can get overconfident,

and then you don't really know,

once that pendulum rear end starts swinging, it's swinging.

It's still a true rear engine car.

It's rear mid, but it's, you know,

they're pushing it forward, but it's still rear engine.

So I think people just don't,

they would have a hard time recovering from it

in the same way they always have,

and then, you know, you add a lot more speed

to that equation because they're a lot faster now.

I mean, that's probably there.

The rest are kind of expected.

Small cars, small SUVs, just,

I think it's buying numbers,

like what's cheap and what people are buying a lot of.

So, you know, it's more of like a,

it's more of a population map than a crash map.

Camaro's on there, of course, at number 13,

which I'm surprised the Mustang isn't,

maybe they sold more Camaro's than the Mustangs.

Well, I mean, Mustangs don't make it out of the road,

they're just on the sidewalks.

So it's different.

It's different, yeah.

They just hit pedestrians.

They don't die.

Pedestrians, yeah.

But don't worry.

I think Ford's still gonna come out with that new,

that FP800S or whatever,

with the Whipple Suge Charger on it too.

So I'm sure, you know, it'll get easier for people

to buy cars that they could kill them.

You know, you're right.

Like we say, it's a blessing and a curse.

Cars are getting faster than ever.

It's still the cheapest speed

we've ever seen to the amount you can get.

You know, even at 300,000 for that ZR1X,

a 240 mile an hour car for $300,000 is a bargain,

at least compared to the other option of, you know,

seven plus figures.

So.

Well, and the seven plus figure cars

are getting beat every day by people.

I mean, how many times have we seen videos

of somebody that has taken their old Civic

and will walk on a GTR?

Like, yeah.

That's true.

For a one-tenth of the price.

So, well, maybe not one-tenth for the GTR,

but still.

Yeah.

It's out there.

There's an advance member I know of who has a GTR.

He's running in the sevens now.

It's an Alpha build, 2,200 horsepower GTR.

And yeah, he's running in the mid-sevenths,

and it's still street legal.

2,200 horsepower.

I have to say that if I had the gonads

to be able to own a car like that and drive a car,

I'd drive it everywhere just because, you know,

sure it's fun at 200 miles an hour,

but it's also fun in safe ways.

So.

Yeah.

Again, I think there is,

after being able to drive as many cars as we've driven,

I don't know, I wouldn't need a lot of training

before taking a car like that anywhere near.

Yeah.

Half of what I could do.

Even that 0-1X, it's just like my desire

to go up into those 200-plus mile ditches

just aren't what they used to be.

That was sort of a goal when I was younger,

but I don't care that much now.

I just want to have more fun driving

in that 60 to 150 range.

I'd be fine if somebody wants to loan me a car

like that in a road that I know doesn't have potholes

and it's straight and I'm good to go.

I'm all about that, but like here I could, you know,

half the time, I mean, even in the Raptor sometimes

I cringe when I go over some of the holes

in the streets here, so.

You're not kidding.

The more I drive, the more I'm telling you

that the more you drive out of state,

the more you realize how terrible the roads

in Washington really are.

The potholes are pretty enormous.

I was going to ask you,

did you end up picking up anything for Black Friday?

After that episode, did you talk about,

did you grab anything?

You know, I didn't.

Well, I mean, I did, but it was Lego related,

so I don't think that really counts.

That still counts, okay.

But I picked up the new Star Trek, the Enterprise, but.

You got the new, the NCC-1701D,

that Enterprise from the next generation?

Yeah, I was, I'm so jealous right now.

So, yeah.

You can look at it.

It even has a Q figure with it, doesn't it?

It does, it has, yeah, it's got,

I mean, I think I forgot how many figures.

I don't, and funny thing is, for what they're doing,

I don't know if I'm going to build it, we'll see.

But yeah, I didn't, to go back to our previous thing.

Thank you for sharing my passion, by the way.

I just, I kept looking at everything

and I kept, you know, thinking about what I needed.

Obviously, I'm trying to,

the only thing I'm trying to build right now

is that tool roll that you bought me

and I didn't find anything that I went,

and a couple of things that I was going to pull the trigger on,

I waited and they're out of stock, you know.

There was a really good deal on a set

of Milwaukee screwdrivers that I thought would be great

because I owned them already and I, you know,

and I just, I don't like the idea

of transferring stuff over

because I feel like I'm going to leave it somewhere

and then I'm not going to have it

when I need it somewhere else.

So, I didn't.

How about you?

Actually, no, I didn't either.

There was a bunch of stuff that I, you know,

that we talked about that I already had.

You know, I got one thing and it's not exciting at all.

I got this little 140 watt wall charger USB-C

so I can charge my laptop and everything from one plug

versus having the proprietary plug that comes with it.

But that's, that's it.

Everything else I thought I was going to buy.

I was looking, same thing,

same deal as you were, I was looking at tools.

Didn't find anything that went down low enough

for me to say, yeah,

I'm going to buy this for Black Friday.

And because all that stuff,

like at this point I'm with you,

any tools I buy at this point are redundant.

I'm selling tools more than I'm buying tools.

So I don't need anything.

And then, which is a really cool and weird thing to say,

I don't need any new tools.

There's tools I would like to have, but yeah.

I feel like that's, that's blasphemy,

but let's be very clear.

Dan and I could find tools that we need, but.

Yeah, I'd be doing specialized jobs.

Well, no, no, at this point,

it's a tire changing machine in the corner

or it's a beat breaker or, you know, things like that.

Yeah, I thought I would buy some motorcycle parts too,

and I didn't.

I haven't been, I've been kind of in that mode of,

I'm not riding quite enough

to justify doing some major stuff to the bikes yet.

There's a few things I want to do,

but I've still got things I need to do on the bike first.

I've got a new seat to put on it,

like actual new foam and seat cover.

And I've got that clutch cover to swap out.

So I told myself, until I get those projects done,

I'm not going to buy any more stuff

to add onto the bike.

Sort of as a motivator to, you know,

focus on getting one project into time.

I've got so many projects all over the place,

I'm trying to finish some off.

And so if I've got, if I finish off the bikes,

then I can finish off the Bronco,

then I can finish off the F-150,

and then that'll get rid of a lot of stuff on the shelf.

So there's still like, I have that

onboard air compressor to install.

I have that DV8 mount to install.

Flag mounts, lights, the performance tune

for the Bronco I still haven't done.

It's all just sitting there

so I don't have time to go take it to places.

Yeah, I think, and it's funny you brought up the bikes

because I'm getting ready to,

like I'm getting ready to get ready, as I say,

because I want to get,

I'm trying to find a smaller, like oil drain pan.

Like the one you have is great,

but I want something really small

that will just fit under the monkeys.

And so I've been researching that

because I need to do,

I need to do oil on both the bikes desperately.

And the newer bike, it's a year old with me now,

by the way, the Grom is,

I need to put a new clutch in that.

So I'm going to do that while I, and so,

and then I also, I ordered a new,

I took your advice off of Amazon,

I'm not Amazon eBay and ordered one of those batteries

and it came with a tender and everything like that.

So like, because for some reason that Grom,

I don't know if there's a draw in it,

but that battery died.

I think the battery was crap when I got it,

but it's time for anyone.

Bike batteries for whatever reason.

I mean, they're just standard lead acid batteries

or AGM now in some of the newer bikes.

For some reason, they just don't recover like car batteries.

Like once they go completely dead a few times,

they just don't bounce back even like I can get them,

but they never seem to hold on after that.

I've always been that way.

The monkey battery, the one that the stock

Honda monkey battery has never given me an issue.

That bike sat once for three and a half months

without being started and started up

like it was yesterday.

But so I don't know what's up with that.

But yeah, I did, I did finally order,

like the red ones from Amazon,

I'm trying to think of the name of it now,

it was the Banshee battery.

I found a Banshee battery and it came with the charger

and all the plugs and so on for 38 bucks.

Like, you know, it's good.

Yeah, it's a cheap battery.

Yeah, yeah, cool.

I hope a couple will reach out to me,

Todd reached out to me and he's,

I think he got the whisper quiet to Walt Beck,

which I tell everybody gets, it's the one to have.

Even if you don't like red in your shop,

that back is so nice to have, it's so quiet.

So you can get it in chrome.

You can get a nice chrome metal one

with the whisper quiet, I think now.

Just saying.

Yeah.

I thought I'm gonna let you know.

Uh-huh, uh-huh, you know, well.

I mean, let's be honest,

I bought the Banshee battery because it's red,

and we all know why.

So, you know, somebody was telling me to do.

I've got the McDonald's tool collection,

red and yellow.

Absolutely, somebody was comparing it

and they're not the first to,

the fact that people who choose tools are like the,

you know, the houses are from Harry Potter

or whatever, Slytherin or.

Yes.

Yeah, that's fair.

That's fair.

I can relate to that, so.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean.

I'm buying more M12 stuff than I am to Walt these days.

I just like the smaller profile.

I don't find myself needing the heavy duty as often

and the DeWalt stuff is pretty nice

for the high torque stuff, but I rarely need it.

I'm usually pulling high torque with hand tools, so.

It's easier.

Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I like that stuff.

Yeah, just a good dug it right off of there.

It's time and a place.

Absolutely.

I agree.

All right.

Cool.

All right, man.

Good catching up.

Yeah.

All right, well, until, until, until next week,

you know, I want to put that out there.

We've had a lot of people that reached out to us

from our last episode with Nico,

which was a great episode.

We had a lot of fun with that,

but if you know somebody in the community,

hear Scottsdale, California, wherever,

let us know because we're always looking for guests.

And so, you know, reach out to us through Facebook.

You can reach out to us through, you know,

nickordanatavance.com.

We're always looking for people

and it's fun to share people's story.

And I think Nico kind of got me reenvibe

with having guests on the show.

So.

Yeah, I love doing them in person too.

It's always more fun when you can come to the studio,

hang out, kick back in the recliners

and I'll kick on the heat for you, don't worry.

Yeah, that's what we're offering now is heat.

Yeah, heat, free drinks.

Maybe a bathroom break.

Maybe.

Yes, nicely.

If you don't, I'll give you the bottle.

He will too, I'm not, it's not a joke, so.

All right, well, I mean, okay,

we're gonna cut it off with that.

All right, for this episode of the Avon's podcast

as always, I'm Nick.

And I'm Dan, and don't just get there,

enjoy the drive.

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