Jerry Seinfeld's Time Capsule 1965 Porsche 356 SC

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Is that a dead fish?

And the show begins.

It's something for the dog, it's some sort of body part.

A body part of what?

An animal.

Is it real animal?

It's called a bully stick, which maybe...

My dog has those.

It's from a bull's penis.

Let me go fetch this animal.

She'll just stand there.

Welcome Patreon listeners.

You're getting very special treat tonight.

As you can already tell, it's very raw.

That's what Patreon is about, Jerry.

Jerry Seinfeld's in town.

Shooting a show.

Can't tell you anything about it.

It's a secret.

Secret Larry David project.

And we're in Baldwin Hills and we're on the back patio like old days.

And you have us and Zuckerman's here.

Earth, wind and fire, I think is what they call this.

But we have no questions.

We don't need questions.

No.

This is fine.

This is an experience that a lot of our listeners and followers just love.

The old school chat.

And there's no format.

I don't have a piece of paper here.

We can just talk about what we were, I think in the middle of talking about.

Which is cars.

Buying and what we're not buying.

I think there is a, this version of the show, if I may.

Yes.

Had a raw dog quality to it.

Yes.

Raw dogs.

Yeah.

That once you went to the high production values.

Yes.

Of course you have to do because of the success was undeniable.

You have to evolve.

Success was undeniable.

I suppose like.

Well, we have.

But I do.

But I actually liked this format.

There's something about not your face like Zuckerman scrolling on his phone now.

Nobody cares.

We don't care about how we look.

We don't care about what we're wearing.

I'm trying to tell him that.

Some of the people who watch the show.

Now the audience is four times bigger than it's ever been.

We had this little back porch version.

But I like this version too.

And precisely for those reasons.

Everything you're saying is why we didn't want to go to YouTube.

We didn't want to have to comb our hair.

Right.

No, it was just for the last picture.

For the picture.

That's right.

And we didn't really put much thought into that either.

I like to put something into it.

I like to pick up a dog or.

Have a cigar in my teeth.

Then here we are.

Like Tony Montana.

Well, that's why I thought it would be fun.

So let's talk about our favorite movie villains.

Because we just had some dinner.

And we were talking about Bond and the Lost World of masculine men.

Which when we were kids.

And I'll go this far.

I'll say some of our success in life is because of the role models we had as kids.

What made us think.

I want to be like that.

Didn't you get into trouble for this conversation recently?

Masculine men.

Maybe.

But that was before a larger audience in our three patriarch subscribers.

This is the smaller audience.

This is a very small audience, you're right.

But I have some.

Maybe I'm wrong remembering this that you said something like that.

It's something about masculine men and somebody.

They just picked up on it.

They're like a dog with a toy that doesn't fit their mouth.

They try and bite it and they can't.

But what you're saying as a boy.

As a boy.

I looked up to Sean Connery and James Colburn.

And Lee Marvin and Lee Jay Cobb.

Steve McQueen.

No.

But villains are that is a great category.

But I was saying.

Yeah.

But villains are just another type of the villain and the hero.

We knew comprised two hemispheres of our own personalities.

That's right.

That's why those movies are so attractive.

You realize I could be either one of these guys.

And would love to be either one.

Who wouldn't want to be Goldfinger?

Right.

Or if you take one of my favorite villains.

Lee Van Cleef in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly.

Those guys, they could all shoot.

They all had special shooting powers.

Whether it was Eli Wallach or Clint Eastwood.

Excellent villain qualities.

Paul Newman.

That's someone to look up to.

But was he ever a villain?

Robert Redford.

Those guys, if I may.

Yes.

I think that was the first step towards prettier men.

Which was the first step away.

George E. Scott is not pretty in any way.

Yeah.

He's just pure.

Laugh.

He's just pure.

Loud.

Heavy features.

Deep timber.

A vocal instrument.

He's on the Ernest Borgnein continuum.

Borgnein.

No, Borgnein.

There's a few.

There's some DNA that's not close.

What was his wife?

Ethel Merman.

Yeah.

Ethel Merman.

I thought.

One of them was the Dutch oven.

The famous Dutch oven and the divorce agreement.

Right.

But it's like, you know, when you say a fruit fly has most of the same DNA as a human being.

That's Ernest Borgnein to George E. Scott.

Yeah, it's about the same.

But I like me a good Borgnein.

I was a big fan of Borgnein.

I didn't look up to him, but he made me laugh.

He really wasn't a comedic actor, but somehow he did Michael's Navy.

He's great.

Well, he was great.

Tim Conway carried that show, the comedy, and Hastings, Bob Hastings, who played.

Oh, is that character's name?

Can't remember.

Anyway, we were just lamenting our lost, how we've lost our way in this culture.

And, hey, you hear all these guys, Gallagher and talking about how all these boys, young boys, your son, my sons,

your guys about to become that age and realize I have no one to look up to as a male.

But you need, that's why they're not saying that, Jerry.

What?

My boys aren't saying that.

They feel it.

They're not concerned at all.

Honestly, I'm just being honest.

They don't seem to have any concern whatsoever.

They just kind of side eye me and they're ready to kind of leave.

Do you think that these young guys, we all have sons?

Do they want girls the way we did?

I don't think so.

I'm watching it right now.

His son.

I didn't think and then just overnight.

Really?

As I was telling you at dinner, that was the root of all the trouble this afternoon.

Oh, that's good.

It's nice.

A high school relationship, I can't speak for you guys, but my high school relationship was a high point of my life.

It's all I remember about high school.

It was how wonderful this relationship was.

We pursued women like those cartoons of Big Daddy Don Garlets.

Yes.

The rat-fink face.

Oh, yeah.

That's what girls were to us.

We were...

Crazy, girl crazy.

Well, there was a mystery there.

It was so much mystery.

We had Sears, the Sears and Robot Catalog and National Geographic.

Right.

And occasionally, an old playboy that you'd find in your dad's drawer.

And that was it.

And other than that, you never got a look.

And it was a true mystery.

What did they talk about?

How do you talk to them?

Yeah, everybody knows too much now.

Steve McQueen jumping that fence, he's going after a girl.

That's what that jump was on the motorcycle.

See, when I saw that jump on the motorcycle, that made me crazy.

Made me crazy.

And then when you learn that he did it himself after, he did after.

He didn't do it in the movie, but after he went back and he did it.

You get crazy.

You say, I want to do that because you felt, see, to me it wasn't masculine.

It was, that guy is cool.

And I'm pursuing cool.

I'm in high school.

I want to be cool.

So I'm going to do things like that.

I'm going to play guitar like Jimi Hendrix.

I'm going to ride motorcycles like Steve McQueen.

Paradigm onto our car hobby.

How does this pursuit of cool express itself in the cars that we like and pursue?

What is it about a car that you think it's cool or not cool?

I found growing up on Long Island, where I did in the Smithtown area,

that really informed my first love of cars.

Because the guys, to me that looked like tough guys, the guys that did have girls,

all these Chevy's and muscle cars.

And they, and they looked like they knew something that they could,

they could behave a certain way.

And I wanted to emulate those guys.

And I wanted a loud, loud, fast, stinky car.

Obviously I grew, eventually grew out of that.

I realized that was, you know, not, not what was a pleasure to drive.

But that's, that was, I saw once in Florida in the early seventies,

a guy get into a Corvette convertible and pull away from the curb squealing tires.

I thought that was the coolest thing I've ever seen.

I was born sophisticated.

Yes. In Massapequa.

In Massapequa.

Yes.

The 69 Camaro SS with the RS package in that, whatever that blue is,

that was, that really sucked me the closest to the American idea of a fun car.

More than any other car.

I also love the Corvair.

I thought the Corvair, because it was seem European to me.

It was European in its engineering concept.

A flat six rear engine, air-cooled car.

Corvair has an air-cooled one.

You know what I want to say right now?

Yes, absolutely.

It's European.

And I think it's got a, I think it's got a flat fan.

Really?

Yeah.

It's air-cooled?

Yes.

Absolutely.

Did you ever like those?

I like them now.

The later one.

Yeah.

Like the Corsa, the Mazda.

Yeah.

But, but I've grown to appreciate them.

Right.

There's a six cylinder at the time.

I thought, oh, you have to have eight.

Yeah.

My cool car was the kid down the street named Ricky Freitas.

Older kid.

Ricky, are you listening?

Ricky graduated high school, invited me to his graduation party when I was in ninth grade

and immediately put a drink in my hand at which I'd never had before.

A Cape Cotta.

With vodka.

What's that?

It's vodka and cranberry juice.

Suddenly it was much easier to talk to everybody.

Right.

I'm part of it.

And he goes, let me show you what my parents bought me.

They had bought him a Pontiac Trans Am pace car.

Really?

Wow.

Ricky Freitas lived kind of on a farm on my street, which was not a very fancy street.

Right.

He had this beautiful Trans Am.

It's like the Bert Reynolds.

Yeah.

But silver.

Wow.

Shocking.

Yeah.

With a little, you know, a little wing on the back.

Mm-hmm.

And on the front, it had like a front thing going on.

Mm-hmm.

Like bucket seats, big shiny disco interior.

I lost my mind.

Yeah.

It's like that is the coolest, coolest thing I've ever seen.

Why is it so hard for these companies to understand what's cool culturally?

Why can't they?

Yeah.

Is there anything cool anymore?

Yes.

There is.

There's a little stuff.

Sure.

I don't know.

I mean, I mean, I don't want to just talk about the Porsches we have.

But the 718 Spider-Arrest is one of the coolest things.

True.

When I connected it to the beginning, like the James Dean 550 and 356 Speedsters, right

through to 2025, you know, a little race car with no top that you can just be that small.

Right.

Yeah.

I feel cool in that thing.

Right.

Yeah.

I think cool is a little bit like with respect to cars, like the clothes we wear.

You know, the jacket, you go, oh, this feels right.

I feel like I look better in this.

Yeah.

I think that's how I approach cars.

I don't know that I ever feel cool, but things feel like I've turned up the dial a little

bit on my, you know, dreary old man's bike personality.

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

My nerdy guy.

I got a little style.

And that's, you know, cars, you know, we were talking about exteriors of things

earlier, but I'm always my first approach to a vehicle is always the aesthetic.

How does it look from all the angles?

That's the very first thing.

Absolutely.

Me too.

It's got to be, it's got to do something for me.

It's got to give me that feeling for me to then now look a little deeper into what it

is.

I'll tell you what's missing is confidence.

A guy who's in, in the old days, and maybe I'm just really losing it because I'm old.

In the old days, guys projected confidence when they weren't trying too hard.

To me, the Corvette was interesting because it was a two seat American sports car, but

I could always feel it's trying way too hard to get your attention.

And that was instantly uncool to me.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

See, I was a heathen compared to you.

Yeah.

How were you from the South Shore, from Massapeak, were so much more advanced than me from the

North Shore?

I spent a lot more time than you watching television.

I would sat in my room and watch television.

Me too.

And I learned about everything in the world and how, I learned how the world works from

watching television.

Yes.

Right?

I had to say this conversation with my mom the other day.

Really?

She goes, she, you know, she was saying this thing.

She's like, you know, I still can't believe that you work in entertainment.

And I go, she goes, how are you qualified to do that?

It was like you weren't around.

All I did was watch TV growing up.

Yeah.

That's all we did.

Tell me once that your dad, everything he knew with this world was from watching TV and the

movies.

His whole moral code was the Godfather.

No lie.

I mean, it was his decision making in a time of crisis was based on veto Corleone.

Right.

Wisdom that was in the movie.

And I'm not joking.

It was for real.

I'm going to blame some of the people in this room.

There was a lot of revenge.

Yeah, there was a lot of revenge.

Someone punched your brother.

You got to do something about that to defend the family name.

Wow.

This is real, a real thing that happened.

I go, well, dad, I'm friends with this kid and while he's, he's fine with it.

Oh my God.

It doesn't matter.

It's the family's reputation.

You got to go.

The reputation of a gambler.

Who takes his kids to the dog track on Christmas?

There's nothing sadder when you see older BMWs from the early 2000s or the 70s and

80s and you see that confidence that they had.

We don't have to shout.

Yeah.

And now they're just screaming at you with that.

Horrible.

A absurd cartoonish ideas of design that just like who are just no design at all.

But so who are the biggest offenders?

Like you're talking about hypercars now.

Paganis and things of that nature.

Yes.

There's no, they think that they're exotic and dramatic and they're embarrassing.

You're embarrassing yourself is what you're doing.

You don't realize it because you don't seem confident in your own personality.

Right.

I mean, Johnny Carson, you know, he's just like kind of a quiet guy.

You know, why?

He was confident.

Yeah.

That's what I think.

We love that bond and I love James Coburn's Derek Flint to me was really good.

Yeah.

It was great.

Look at how Stephen McQueen is dressed in bullet.

Yeah.

Nothing flashy.

It draws you in as opposed to, you know, any example you want.

James Pumphrey was on the show.

He's on the show this week, I think, whenever he released this show.

And I said, he goes, help me with fashion because he's got this new speed channel

that's all about men's fashion and helping guys.

His guys really need help with all of it.

What they eat, what they work out.

These fitness trends stay thin, what to wear.

I said, I'm watching, you know, the young kids, they all wear this oversized shit.

Mm-hmm.

Am I supposed to do that?

What am I supposed to do?

He said, if you don't have it figured out by now.

Yeah, it's over.

It's over.

Yeah.

And I go, okay, I don't.

All right.

I don't.

What do I do?

He goes, go look at photos of Harrison Ford from the 90s.

Just do that.

Smart.

Go to Gap.

All right.

Just dress like Harrison Ford in the 90s in the 2000s.

Great advice.

Yeah.

And Steve McQueen is one of those guys too.

Sure.

He said, look at McQueen.

Yeah.

Look what he's wearing.

His trousers and just a sweater.

Yeah.

We were talking about JFK earlier.

Yes.

There's some timeless style going on there.

That little, just a little bit of that pocket square sticking up.

Yeah.

That little dot of white.

Yeah.

Just made the whole suit.

Yeah.

And, well, but like the, the, the hyannis port stuff.

Sweaters, white shirts, little, some chinos.

The Ray Bands.

That's it.

Yeah.

That's all you need.

Yeah.

And that's missing.

Underselling.

That is gone.

So who, nobody.

How to undersell yourself.

Is anybody.

In that time period, industrial designers were known figures.

They were kind of heroes.

You had say Raymond Lowey.

Yeah.

Paul Brack.

You had Bruno Sacco.

Right.

They were known for their sophistication and restraint in their designs.

Who, who do we look up to in terms of industrial design right now?

Can you.

Norman Foster.

Okay.

I told you this new building he did in New York for JP Morgan.

It's, it's the most thrilling piece of architecture I have seen.

And there's lots of great architecture, but not too much in the skyscraper, big city

skyscraper genre.

Most of it's embarrassing.

Even, even in Manhattan, a lot of it.

All that money.

And that's what you build.

Right.

That's what it looks like.

How old is he?

Nineties.

There you go.

Right.

There you go.

Yeah.

Still doing it.

It's fantastic.

I think the opportunities in the United States to build skyscrapers are rather limited.

But don't you figure like, where are they building these things like in the 50s?

Look out there, Zuckerman.

Look how much room we have.

We just got.

You hear that?

That's not just a Toyota truck.

That's the sound of no crowds.

No alerts.

No distractions.

And no telling what you'll find next.

You know?

Like a detour.

So why would you ever take a tour?

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Hey, what's going on?

Can we look at Bring a Trailer right now?

You have a car on Bring a Trailer right now, Jerry.

I do.

I just did the Bring a Trailer podcast with Randy Nannenberg,

where we discussed, or I discussed how much fun I have

watching your auctions and his auctions.

We sit there and we lurk and we comment.

Yeah.

Watching them go down.

Remember that time?

I don't know what car you were selling there,

was bidding on it and Susie was bidding on it.

We were watching it go up.

We didn't know it was our own friends bidding on your car.

And I was commenting.

Oh, here it is.

Jerry Seinfeld's auction.

Wow.

What's it up to?

Jerry Seinfeld's Roof Modified 71 Portion 911S Coupe.

550 with two days left.

Wow.

2,300 miles on the build.

We let this car go by, Zuckerman.

I love this car.

There's so much emanating from this man.

How could we possibly carry all of it,

catch all the discharge?

Signed from discharge.

The crumbs.

Yeah.

I found out today it's detritus, not detritus.

You did?

Yeah.

Did you always know it was detritus?

Yes.

You're better at pronunciation than me.

I always thought it was detritus.

There's new pronunciations for everything every few weeks.

Well, should we talk about our latest movement?

Well, to do that, you got to back up a little bit.

Oh.

I think rather than get into what, let's tell everyone what's going on.

What's going on is I have a car I bought in 97.

So I've had this car 28 years.

Really?

That's all?

Yes.

Part of a two car purchase, if I'm not mistaken, right?

That's correct.

There was a Carmen Ghia.

Amazing that you remember that.

Yes.

The 70-4 Carmen Ghia, also brand new.

Yes.

That I sold soon thereafter, which I kept it.

Anyway, this was a 65-356 SC in a particular orange that was Chick Iverson's dealership

color.

The orange, by the way, I believe, is the orange of the double yellow line on a road.

I think it's the exact shade.

think it is. But I don't know. Anyway, I've had this for many years. It was a brand new

car. Chick never titled it. Both cars that were never titled. They had no miles on them.

And I found it. I think I saw it in a VW magazine. Come on. And I said, wow, that's amazing.

And then somehow got a hold of the guy and somehow bought it, did not pay a lot of money

for it. But to get a brand new 356 in 1997 was pretty exciting. And it's still, I don't know

what I've put on it. Maybe another two or 3000. Really? You've driven it that much?

Maybe. I doubt it. Maybe. I don't know. I've driven that car. Yeah. I mean, it's a brand new

356. It's a brand new 356. It's just pure silk. I seem to remember, and I could be wrong,

these cars were for Chick Iverson's son, who went to Vietnam. That's correct. Didn't return.

Did not return. And so I guess he just kept the car in, you know, in memory of the loss.

Well, this car now, you have decided. And I've been bugging you for a long time.

And I tell you, Paul has wanted this car for a long time. I never knew he was serious or

just playing with me. But we went out for a drive the other day. And Zuckerman drives this 51

split window 356. It's crazy watching this thing go down the road, by the way. By the way,

I was going to sell my 51. And I've been watching yours and I realized I can't now.

Good. Yeah. It's a 356 like on CD discs. That's what the tires look like.

They're ridiculously thin. It looks like paper plates rolling on. But

you know, if I could describe my philosophy of everything in one word,

it would be essentialism. I love things that are the essence of that thing.

That's why I love doing stand up. It's the essence of comedy. There's no,

there's more, not too much other than just comedy when you do stand up.

And that's what those really old 356s have, that essential, this is the essential idea.

I have never, I have to put somebody in that car so I can see it.

You have to see it. It's unbelievable. Oh yeah, you would lose it. It's so funny.

Yeah, it's so funny. It doesn't look like it has traction.

And I think the tires, you know, like on a camber,

well, you know, like on a tambourine, those little jingles, those look like the tires.

It's like a UFO video. But I get that thing going pretty good.

And I see you driving it in inappropriate situations at inappropriate speeds.

And I thought, this guy really understands the genius of the 356.

Again, to go back to, it's a confident design to make something that's small

and that's simple and believe that people are going to get it. That takes a lot of confidence.

See, when nothing looked remotely close to that.

Nothing. Very few things.

Nothing.

Who took that picture of us? Because I was in the Zagato.

That girl.

No, but there's a picture of the hillside, the burned hillside and those cars.

That's one of the greatest, great shows.

It was a, no, I posted it on my Instagram. There's a kid, I forget.

Do you still have it?

Yeah, yeah.

Will you please send it to me?

I will send it to you.

Like that's frameable. I really want that.

It's a great picture.

You really think it's that inappropriate for me to drive that?

I'm just making fun.

Yeah, I mean, it's the average person, that's a frightening thing to do.

A 74-year-old interaction.

Not on a PCH, but he drives it to work through Hollywood.

Now, here's a guy who's been mashed twice in a 356.

Yeah, driving from Baldwin Hills.

And you don't even care, you don't even care.

You don't even care.

All the time in traffic.

Wow.

All the time.

So I felt that he has earned the honorarium of having possession of this car.

And I feel like having the first iteration and the final iteration will be just an

incredibly vivid experience for you to, I don't think you've, have you ever had a C?

No.

It's another world.

Well, I did.

The C was the one I crashed in 2012.

The Black Convertible?

No, no, it was a Slate Gray convertible.

I think with a Slate Gray convertible, that's when I smashed my head open in 2012.

But I had that car for a very brief period of time.

What happened to the potato in that crash?

Everything's fine.

Potato was okay.

Yeah, it's just, that's just a scar on the potato, but there's no mashed potatoes.

Boy, that really hurt me.

Yeah, yeah, that was really, yeah, yeah.

Yep.

You still drive the 356.

You're just like whatever.

So I have decided to bequeath this very special car that I've had for 28 years

to Mr. Zuckerman.

Of course, with the right of first refusal should he choose to move on from it at any

point.

So this is one of the fun things, not only of having cars, but of having friends who

also have cars that you can keep something in the family.

He has my 73 Tangerine Orange RS.

That's my 73 Tangerine RS.

All of ours.

We've all had it.

He has mine.

Yeah.

I have yours.

It is ready to return.

Well, I bought the Tangerine RS from you.

I was, yes.

Yes.

You bought it for him.

You did.

Yeah.

So it's still mine.

That was in December where I bought the Dino and I begged you not to give it to

Barrett Jackson.

Do you remember this story?

No.

You said I'm selling and I'm giving it to Barrett Jackson in January.

Please don't.

I don't want to buy it.

I bought it the same week I bought the Dino.

Wow.

Yeah.

Had it for 12.

Now Zuckerman has it.

And I've had it for about 12.

Yeah.

Wow.

It's time for you to go back.

I don't, I don't want, I don't, I don't seek to own that car again at this time.

Are you curing, are you curing?

Oh, you would have been the greatest lawyer, Jerry.

The greatest lawyer at this time.

Well, what are you doing?

I mean, here you are.

I'm, I'm what I'm doing.

You're, you're 10 years, you're 10 years ahead of us.

Yes.

Tell us where we're headed right now.

I already told you.

What is your thinking?

If you were paying attention.

I wasn't.

I used one word that will explain everything.

What was the word?

Exceptionalism.

No.

Detritus.

These relationships in my life are detritus.

No.

I'm essentializing.

Essentializing.

I'm essentializing.

Essentializing.

I'm 71.

Okay.

And when you get to be 71 and you think, oh, I'm old, I know what it's like, you don't,

that number seven changes the whole camera lens, your Nikon camera lens, you crank it over

and everything looks different.

And you think, I don't want anything that I don't absolutely love.

I just don't want it because I've had it.

You know, you just, there's a period, everyone goes through that period of life where you

want this, I want this, I want this.

And then if you're fortunate and you get a lot of that stuff, then you said, you know what?

I had it.

It's kind of like going from single to married.

When you're single, you can't get enough experiences with girls.

And then you go, you know what?

I don't want any more of this.

Really?

We all travel different paths, Paul.

Did you see him skip past the phrases he wanted to do?

That was funny.

That's what I was laughing at.

I'm trying to keep this on a level.

Yes.

No, no, I totally get this.

By the way, I'm already there.

I'm sure I'm already there.

Yeah.

It's, I know exactly what you're saying.

If you really were there, you'd have a speedster, which you should have.

Well, I could do that, but I'm so happy with what I have right now.

I know, but you're the one who said...

And by the way, I have the Zagato with Zuckerman and I love driving that.

I'm sorry.

Safe to give you a call.

You're the one who said...

Do you have a speedster to sell me?

I do.

A speedster is a one car.

You're the one that said the speedster is the only car that matters.

It is, but I've done it.

Do we have it?

That's what I'm saying.

You need to do something, you need to do it in a different way.

Well, that's to me, what the Zagato is.

That's what that is.

It has no relationship.

You don't have the little windshield.

It's not open.

It's not what it was.

I have one of nine.

Beautifully Italian style.

Yes, they never were.

They only, they exist now, but they weren't, what was it?

One, they made one back in the fifties.

The spider, but these moving forward are going to be significant.

And that day, I hadn't driven it for what?

Six months.

I haven't driven that car for six months.

I had the most wonderful drive.

Yeah, it's great.

And you know, when you look out at the coffee shop,

who, what car are they sitting around?

They're all looking at the Zagato.

That's how I feel about it.

It's a unique driving experience that I really do enjoy

because I know not many people have that experience

and it's a different thing.

That's true.

And I'm driving something that's unlike anything

I've ever driven before.

So in that way, for me right now, it's better than the Speedster.

Not, and Speedsters, there's so much variability too.

There is.

I could get into another Speedster after I drove it and went,

Oh, there's something different.

Like I've driven all of your Speedsters, mine,

all the Wilhoit Speedsters, every one of them.

The Porsche Experience Center, I did a, did a film,

completely different.

Right, right.

Yeah.

And my car, the one I sold was, you know,

it was getting rusty and it wasn't a matching engine.

That's fine.

And it was, and it was time.

The Speedster is, the Zagato is cool.

The Speedster is aesthetically flawless.

It is a perfect.

It's a perfect driving experience.

Winter, summer.

You look at it, every angle of it is a beautiful.

Perfectly satisfying curved shape.

I've never driven your black car.

Really?

Yeah.

You have to.

And I love the story.

But how, but how does your black car

compare to the, what was the one you had?

It was a stone gray, and that stone gray one had been very Wilhoited.

So it was, it was, it was way too much horsepower.

And we, and when we restored the black one, I said,

John, give it a little more torque and horsepower,

but we're going to, we're going to hold the line at about 110.

I don't want, I want it to sound and like a,

I want it to sound like a Speedster.

I want it to be close to a super with just a little more,

a little more oomph for modern conditions.

But this car really has to feel speeds to light.

And the stone gray one, it was kind of Frankenstein.

I'll tell you, I'll tell you a car, a Speedster I drove that made me crazy

was your white and blue one.

The white one, yeah.

Holy moly.

You don't need that anymore, do you?

I do.

Essentialism.

How many speedsters do you have right now?

Six.

You have six.

One of those has to be Detritus.

Well, the one, the blue one.

The blue one that I just bought,

which is funny and nice in its own way.

Yeah.

And I love it.

Yeah.

And you know what other car, the Contessa car?

I mean, there are cars I get in that I go, I have to have them.

That, that's a different feel.

I don't know if that's essentialism that you're talking about

or whatever you're calling it.

That is what I'm calling it, but that's not that.

But I get in certain cars, this, this 356 that I've driven it.

And I lost my mind in it.

Yeah.

Those are cars you, they're undeniably attractive to me.

And I go, I have to own it.

When I drove that 92964 RS yesterday and the Orange 356

will give you the same feeling, you're in it and you go,

I need nothing else.

Yes.

That's the feeling you get.

That's essentialism.

And not every, no, that's completionism.

That's a car that satisfies you completely.

That you literally, I have bought cars

that have made me sell like five other cars.

Yes.

Because you realize, I really just want to spend more time in this.

Yes.

And then there's the disappointism.

Oh, a lot of disappointism.

Detritus.

But there can be surprises like the 82 Range Rover,

which it took you this been.

I know that that was wonderful.

That was since last November.

I got that thing.

I drove that down the 405 to Martine at Kalahari to do some work.

And I had the nicest.

I saw you right after.

I said, I just drove the 82.

Yeah, he's in love with that.

I just drove the 71.

And then I was in the Zagato, I forget.

I had the greatest Monday ever.

The greatest Monday ever just driving these things.

But you're right, that car delivers

completionism, whatever.

Whatever it is, it's unexpected.

I know what you're talking about.

It has so many weird idiosyncrasies.

It's not a very good vehicle for driving on the highway.

It's bizarre.

It's a bizarre carpet.

The vibe is it's a big box.

And the belt line is at your hip when you're driving.

You go around the corner and fall out the window very,

very easily.

And it's a four speed and the throws are a mile.

Second and third is a mile.

And somehow it works and is enjoyable.

I have to try it.

It would be fun to put together a list of those cars

that deliver this experience.

Because that's all I go for now.

If I don't feel that feeling when I leave the hangar,

then it's not a car I want to keep.

Completism.

But this I am completely satisfied with this car.

Yeah, with the experience.

Right, there's nothing.

And I've been telling Beckham and our ST and our 718,

both do that right now.

I think the first one we got in this run of completism

is the 525.

The 79.

The 525 is going to say is the top of the month.

It must be like that.

Yeah.

A car that makes you feel like I want for nothing else.

Yeah, yeah.

Rewires the brain makes you happy.

Right.

Takes you out of it.

That's what everyone is seeking.

Yeah.

You actually do feel happier.

Yes.

Yeah.

You do feel better.

You do?

That probably would be number one on my list of cars.

That watch is amazing, by the way.

You always say that.

I wore it for you.

Is that the same?

I notice it every time.

It's so cool.

Every time you notice it's really cool.

It's a Guiltile Submariner.

Wow.

Did you see this one?

I see.

Look at that.

This is the new prototype Swiss one.

Boy, that really is a...

See, the Patreon listeners are getting a little whiff

of something nobody knows about.

Right.

Inspired by the Sifford, Octavia.

Right.

And I've taken those design cues and made them my own.

Wow.

With Jay Turkbus at Sheffield and made our own changes.

Gorgeous.

That's great.

This is the first Swiss movement chrono.

Sheffield's coming soon.

Swiss movement.

You read these stories.

You always know everything that's going on

beneath the surface of everything.

You hear a lot of talk about the Chinese manufacture

some of these exotic watches.

Do you ever see any of this stuff?

Yeah.

What do you think of that?

I'm a traditionalist.

I'm about Swiss watchmaking.

I know, but that's what I'm talking about.

That a lot of these are made there.

They send it back.

They put it together and the gold was made.

I'm not buying anything new.

So it's not everything I buy is vintage.

Not interested in any of the news.

Panerai just took a big hit.

Yeah.

That guy, you know that guy that works on watches

made a little Instagram video.

Yeah, about what's in there.

Let me show you what's wrong with Panerai watches.

It was devastating.

Yeah, that pretty much ends the brand.

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I see this plastic piece.

That was it.

It's hard to find anything modern, trustworthy.

I don't know.

It's trustworthy.

And it's all they do is try and project that, too,

which is so annoying.

We don't like to be conned.

No.

We don't want to be convinced.

Yeah.

So how do you want to transfer this $6,500?

Well, I was going to ask that, if I may.

Yes.

How do you guys decide on a number here?

What's going to happen?

Well, that's a little personal.

I'm not sure this is for public construction.

Well, the question is, are you going to negotiate

together or are you going to use an intermediary?

I'm going to take the lead on this.

When I sell a car to a friend, I don't like to make any money on it.

I don't care what the number is.

Look, the number doesn't mean anything

because he's only selling it back to me when he sells it.

Right.

So it's just ceremonial.

I see.

So whatever number he likes, I don't care.

I like $15,000.

Doesn't matter.

I told you I sold that car to my friend, the European.

Yes.

The 56.

And that's a great car for him.

Yeah.

He will absolutely, he's going out of his mind for it.

And I sold it, we made a friends-only type of deal.

It's a great feeling to make somebody happy

who's never been in a world like that to, it's great.

Who's going to love the car?

Yeah.

He's just going to love it like that.

That's great.

Possibly.

I had a pang for a second when I heard that car went,

but now that I know it's to him, I really,

that's absolutely the right guy to have that car without a doubt.

And you're going to see it.

It'll be down along the line.

Yes.

And he's never going to sell it away either.

So these cars that stay in the family,

it's the nicest way to sell a car.

Your family.

Very generous man.

Yeah.

Your family.

The family.

Well, from whom much is given, much is expected.

Yes.

Well, we will have a ceremony or a little pier or a Johnny

will do whatever he...

It's going to be fun.

Or however it works, however this thing arrives.

It's here.

There you go.

We'll feature it on the video show.

We'll talk about it then.

Why don't we drive it into the, on the video show and pull it in?

You could just drive over the desk and get rid of it finally.

And throw the keys at me.

Just fling the keys at me here.

Here you go.

You're so of a bitch.

Stupid show.

Stupid.

You ruined the show with this desk.

You ruined the show.

It's ruined.

All right.

And there was a moment because I think I,

I guess I'm still in that acquisition stage.

I'm having a moment of pigginess.

I got two cars coming in Friday.

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

Are you still interested in some of these other items?

Yes.

Of mine?

Of course.

Okay.

Wow.

There's no way into my home.

God bless.

You know, we haven't, we haven't.

Remember that cartoon with it just feeding.

Yes.

Morris Solomon, purveyor of fine automobiles.

Yeah.

Is about to hang up their shingle.

Really?

Yeah.

We have, we, we want to acquire cars.

We.

You realize who our boss is?

You know about, you know, yes, my son now.

He used to see him, we.

What's we?

This is going to be good.

Yeah.

What modern cars are you enjoying right now?

The ST.

Then I love the ST, which I have made very.

I wish we could play a clip of him when he was giving that

long description about the robot doctor versus the,

the old doctor, the GT3RS versus the ST.

Yeah, but he would, you got to take your prostate out.

Yes.

Who do you want to do it?

But it turns out we want the, we want the old doctor.

No, I think he likes both.

I think he likes the GT3RS and the ST for different reasons.

That's right.

That's the difference.

Yeah.

Who do you want to take out your prostate?

The, the flawless robot or the experienced old shoe doctor?

The old shoe doctor, for sure.

No, 100%.

What, just for the charm of it?

I think deliver your baby is the better analogy.

I don't know.

It's just going to happen on its own.

I see.

Well, let me, let me ask you a question.

When they go in for that prostate, don't mess this up.

Are you worried about that or something?

No, I'm not.

I, I don't have any issues in that area.

Okay.

So we're a year, we're a year out.

2024 was the ST.

Why is it still the it car right now?

And, and is it going to get dethroned by something new that they make?

I don't see how it can for the purist, but of course there will be something.

You know, the prices are off the charts.

Right now, are they worth it?

You know, people are paying double, sometimes over double stickers.

Oh, people want things because other people want them.

They don't even want them for themselves.

But that's not necessarily, they want this thing because they weren't offered this thing.

And they are hearing that it's a wonderful car and it is.

It is.

This car has that thing that we talk about where you get out of it and you go,

why do I have anything else?

I'm going to get some kerosene and I'm lighting the rest of this stuff on fire.

I don't want it anymore.

Yeah.

I'm not even going to go to the trouble of selling it.

It does.

It does do that.

You start shifting gears and right away you go, oh, it reminded me of your 911 R when I drove

that car except faster and stronger and more better and more capable.

Yeah, it's a little better.

It's better than the R.

Just a little, just more muscular.

Right.

It is such a great car.

It is good.

What do you think about this potential slant nose?

Yeah, yeah.

So that supposedly is going to be the new GT2 RS, by the way.

Yeah.

Oh.

That's going to be the new GT2 RS.

A slant nose.

That's what the rumors are.

That's what people are selling on the internet.

I like that a lot.

Yeah.

But did you see the weirdness that somebody said that it looks like it's got 991 parts on it?

Yes.

And that's really exciting.

That means Pruni is just making something great.

Andreas Pruniger.

Have you heard what has happened to their profits?

Having to correct for this electrical misstep?

Yeah.

I mean, a lot of manufacturers did it.

They just jumped.

They made too crazy of a change that everything's going to be electric.

We're going to just switch everything to electric.

That was, it could never have happened.

It needed to be gradual.

It always has to be gradual.

Right, right.

It's too much of a-

Fits and starts, starts and fits.

Yeah.

It's too much of a 180.

Dot com bubble.

Ferrari, I just read, they're going to release in the next five years,

20 new models, like four new models a year.

Wow.

How?

What?

Yeah.

How can a limited manufacturer do that?

They're doing it.

Do you know what their customer base is?

90,000.

Wow.

90,000.

Yeah, they planned, here it is.

When you guys went to that Ferrari event at Pebble a bunch of years ago,

I was so sorry I missed that.

Yeah.

The gargoyalism that you described of the men in the world.

70 years spread.

It was a 70.

The Delta was the greatest Delta I've ever seen.

Yeah, wow.

Wow.

Yeah.

Remember those crazy new Ferraris?

I like that.

I love that 12-cylindry.

What about the new?

I love the SP3.

The new F80?

The F80.

The new Testerosa car that they put out, this one right here.

Love it.

Set up with the front end.

Yeah.

So listen to this.

So Ferrari plans to launch 20 new cars in just five years.

The Italian automaker sold 13,752 cars last year and said it has 90,000 active clients.

Wow.

These stats are insane.

So they're going to launch four new models every year, between 2026-2030,

with a mix of 40% ice, 40% hybrid, and 20% electric.

That's a good blend.

That's a very interesting way of cutting

up the market.

They have a hand in everything.

Wow.

You know who else does really nice cars, and we never talk about it.

Most people don't talk about these Chinese Volvos.

The design language is so restrained and elegant.

And really, they resolve everything so nicely.

And the front ends and the back ends.

I really enjoy it when I see those cars.

I feel like I don't know who else is doing designs.

My head always just goes to them and I go, oh, that's beautifully finished.

The South Koreans are also doing well.

Really?

Yeah.

The Hyundai's, the Genesis is their design.

I think they're Mardenica.

They call it Modenica.

Right.

Their design and it's affordable, I think, beats everybody.

The Kia is the K with the backwards N.

That's their new logo, right?

Yeah.

It looks, you know, I looked at that the other day and I thought it looks like NIN,

like nine-inch nails.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, a very strange way of doing it.

Just cool looking affordable stuff.

I saw a guy in a Genesis SUV who said I bought this.

He's doing a house next to it.

I am home.

He goes, I bought this because Porsche is just nickel and diming me on all the options.

And this is everything included and it looks better.

Right.

And he took me through it and he was right.

Maybe.

I like that.

I don't know what that Honda electric car is.

But they did the N in a lower case on the back.

It's weird.

The fonts.

I think it's very cool.

You like that.

It doesn't.

Yeah.

It's so such a small change.

Lower case.

I think that would bother you.

No, it's good.

It looks nice.

They also separated the letters a little bit.

Yes, yes.

It's one of my favorite things on the road.

It's a nice touch.

Yeah.

But I thought that would bother you.

No, but it's changed the logo?

Yeah, it's a little disorderly the way that they mixed the font.

No, I look at it too.

And getting back to this coolness, the pursuit of cool.

Right.

I thought that was cool too.

Yeah.

It's a small, confident little adjustment.

Yeah.

But it's the cool that makes me think about considering purchasing.

Yeah.

Maybe we need to hand out cigarettes.

You know, changing the font.

Someone not screaming at me is so attractive.

I do this thing in my set about the hardest thing we do in life at this point

is to just not scream, I don't care into the face of anyone saying anything.

Because we're so, my daughter, she works for the free press.

And they were, somebody, they were looking for a name for a column.

It's a cultural commentary.

And I suggested the fire hose, because that's the world we live in.

You feel like someone has turned a fire hose on you.

So anybody that somehow mitigates that, I find very attractive.

I feel like we're on the precipice of no opinions, that people are opinioned out.

I think it was Marcus Aurelius said, you don't have to have an opinion.

Yes, he did.

You're a philosopher.

He did say that.

You don't have to, go ahead.

I know, go ahead.

But I love, I love this.

Yes, it's brilliant.

You don't have to say anything.

You don't have to think about it.

You don't have to judge it.

Just let it go by.

That's right.

That's what my shrink said.

You don't have to have an opinion about it.

You don't have to have opinion.

My shrink said, you know that I love Lucy episode with the chocolates.

She should have just let them all go by.

That's right.

That's great.

Yeah.

Never needed to pick them up.

How would we do the show though, if we didn't have opinions?

Maybe you spoke, Marcus Aurelius didn't know about podcasting.

Maybe you just do it during the show.

They sat around drinking Hamlock and talking.

Here's the thing about the opinions I hope that we have on the show.

We don't use the word should.

It's when you attempt to enclose your followers to think like you.

That's what's exhausting.

Yes.

Stop making me try and agree with you.

Yes.

Just, okay, you think that.

Fine.

Right.

We've forgotten that.

Very small.

Maybe it'll come back.

It's gudu.

We're reaching a crescendo here.

Everybody's been predicting the everything bubble since 98.

Lying over the United States going, it can't be worth what they think it is.

Well, yeah, they've been talking about that this week.

Yeah.

That maybe this is the last week before we have a little bit of a crash.

Yeah.

Wow.

Anything else?

This is a good show.

I've really enjoyed this conversation.

Yeah, it was easy.

I think what people like about this particular type episode is hearing how crazy we are like them.

Try thinking deeply about dumb shit like Kars.

Yeah, but.

And taking it apart and trying to explain what everybody's experiencing in this hobby of ours.

Yeah.

I think it's the only, this is the only show that does it.

Yeah.

Talks about the cycle, the complex psychological mechanisms that underpin all of this stuff.

It's not just cars.

Right.

There's a whole psychological contraption that is fueled by these things.

It's what a car is.

It's a complex, mechanical, electrical, flammable contraption.

Yeah.

Just like your brain.

Yep.

Your brain is the very same thing.

Complex, mechanical, and flammable.

There you go.

Amazing.

Well, thanks for doing this, Jerry.

We'll see you next week.

We'll see.

Too bad there's not a Patreon behind the Patreon for the conversation that's about to

happen.

The man behind the, ignore the man behind the Patreon.

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