Jimmie Johnson on Life After the 48, Legacy Motor Club & Garage 56 at Le Mans
About this episode
Jimmie Johnson reflects on life after the No. 48, explaining how retirement, family time, and a London reset led him toward ownership with Legacy Motor Club. He talks candidly about learning from Rick Hendrick, building culture, chasing sponsors, and the grind of modern NASCAR competition. The conversation also dives into his off-road and IndyCar adventures, Garage 56 at Le Mans, F1 and Bahrain testing, and the emotional weight of Talladega, where Legacy’s progress and future feel especially personal.
7-time NASCAR Cup Series champion Jimmie Johnson joins Corey LaJoie and Ryan Flores in the Nonsense Garage for a wide-ranging conversation on life after the No. 48, becoming co-owner of Legacy Motor Club, and what's next.
Jimmie tells the full story of the 2011 Talladega tandem-draft win with Dale Earnhardt Jr (and the 50 cases of beer that followed), the F1 super license rules that killed his Formula 1 test, the year his family spent in London, the Garage 56 program at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, his Indy 500 runs with Chip Ganassi Racing, the Mint 400 with Herbst Motorsports, and the phone call to Ron Devine at BK Racing that launched Corey LaJoie's Cup career.
Plus: a full Talladega Cup race breakdown, pit road penalties, the Toyota tandem squirrel problem explained through spring rates, sitting inside a Top Fuel car at NHRA Four-Wides, NASCAR's SUV and hydrogen future, and Pit Boss of the Week.
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Le Mans
"Episode: Jimmie Johnson on Life After the 48, Legacy Motor Club & Garage 56 at Le Mans"
Le Mans is a super long endurance race in France where cars run for many hours. Drivers switch off, and strategy and pit stops matter a lot.
Le Mans is the famous French endurance race (24 Hours of Le Mans) that tests cars and drivers over long stints. It’s known for driver changes, pit stops, and strategy that can be as important as outright speed.
NASCAR
"We break down all things Jimmy, all things NASCAR, all things F1, all sorts of different stuff right here on Stag & Penny's... when you're in it being the most successful NASCAR driver..."
NASCAR is a big American race series where drivers compete in stock-car style cars. The goal is to earn points across many races to win a championship.
NASCAR is a major American stock-car racing series. It’s known for oval-track racing, production-based cars, and a points/season format that rewards consistency over single races.
F1
"We break down all things Jimmy, all things NASCAR, all things F1, all sorts of different stuff right here on Stag & Penny's..."
F1 is the highest level of open-wheel racing, with very specialized race cars. It’s usually raced on road courses and street tracks, and the cars are built specifically for racing.
F1 (Formula 1) is the top level of open-wheel racing, with purpose-built cars and races primarily on road courses and street circuits. It’s very different from NASCAR in car design, aerodynamics, and how teams develop performance.
cup champ
"We had four-time cup champ Jeff Gordon join the show... seven-time cup champ Jimmy Johnson..."
“Cup” refers to NASCAR’s top national series, historically called the NASCAR Cup Series. When the hosts say “cup champ,” they’re talking about a driver who won the series championship (or is a top champion in that context).
48 car
"... because it's a 48 car, the Genasi and Indy car, but it has helped me see a different side."
In NASCAR, each entry has a number. When someone says “the 48 car,” they mean the car with number 48 that Johnson drove.
A “48 car” refers to the race car numbered 48 that Jimmie Johnson drove in NASCAR. In NASCAR, the car number is tightly associated with the driver/team identity, so switching series can feel like leaving behind a long-running number and program.
IndyCar
"Gnasi offered something when I was there in the IndyCar. And then when I kind of talked to my management group around it, like, well, IndyCar is great."
IndyCar is a major type of race series in the U.S. It’s where drivers compete in fast open-wheel cars on tracks like ovals and road courses. Mentioning IndyCar usually means they’re talking about their racing career and how opportunities work there.
IndyCar is the top open-wheel racing series in the United States, best known for oval tracks and road/street courses. When the speaker references IndyCar, they’re talking about a professional racing environment with its own teams, sponsorship structures, and driver career paths.
Hendrick Motorsports
"He has his automotive office and then Hendrick Motorsports. But he spends two-thirds of the week at HMS, wandering around, involved, taking meetings there."
Hendrick Motorsports is one of NASCAR’s biggest and most successful racing teams. The hosts mention it to explain how Rick Hendrick runs things day-to-day. It’s basically the headquarters where a lot of the team’s work happens.
Hendrick Motorsports is a major NASCAR team organization associated with multiple championships and long-running manufacturer relationships. In the transcript, it’s referenced as the place where Rick Hendrick spends much of his time, highlighting the team’s operational scale. For listeners, it’s a key part of modern NASCAR’s team ecosystem.
Toyota
"...you're a seven-time champ with him, with Chevrolet, had so many relationships and then you take over a team with Toyota?"
Toyota is a car brand that also competes in NASCAR. Teams can be partnered with different manufacturers, and that can influence what support they get. In this conversation, Toyota is brought up as the manufacturer tied to the team he’s taking over.
Toyota is another major NASCAR manufacturer, providing support and racing programs for teams that align with it. The transcript contrasts Toyota with Chevrolet to show how Jimmie Johnson’s move into an ownership group connects to different manufacturer relationships. This matters because manufacturer backing can affect competitiveness and resources.
Chevrolet
"...you're a seven-time champ with him, with Chevrolet, had so many relationships and then you take over a team with Toyota?"
Chevrolet is a car brand that also competes in NASCAR. NASCAR teams often partner with specific manufacturers, and those relationships can shape sponsorships, resources, and long-term planning. Here, they’re using Chevrolet to describe Rick’s past connections.
Chevrolet is one of NASCAR’s core manufacturers, supplying engines and vehicles for teams under the manufacturer’s racing program. The transcript ties Chevrolet to Rick Hendrick’s championship history and relationships, emphasizing how manufacturer partnerships influence team opportunities. It also sets up the later mention of Toyota as another manufacturer relationship.
Carvana
"Even the partnership with Carvana, you know, I care so much for Rick and at the time Carvana wasn't on the radar from a conglomerate like Hendrick Automotive Group... And Rick really appreciated the fact that I reached out and today Carvana is so big."
Carvana is a company that sells cars, mostly through an online-first model. They can sponsor racing teams, which is why they show up in NASCAR conversations. Here, the hosts are talking about how that sponsorship relationship grew over time.
Carvana is an automotive retail company that has sponsored NASCAR teams and drivers. The hosts mention a partnership with Carvana and note how it wasn’t initially on the radar for a large organization like Hendrick Automotive Group, implying how sponsorship interest evolves. For listeners, it’s an example of how non-traditional automotive brands enter motorsports.
Hendrick Automotive Group
"...at the time Carvana wasn't on the radar from a conglomerate like Hendrick Automotive Group."
Hendrick Automotive Group is Rick Hendrick’s automotive retail/dealership business. The hosts mention it to show that big companies like that may not always be thinking about certain sponsorships at first. It’s part of the broader business ecosystem around NASCAR.
Hendrick Automotive Group is the dealership and automotive retail organization associated with Rick Hendrick. In the transcript, it’s used as a reference point for how sponsorship and partnerships are evaluated by large automotive businesses. This helps explain the business side of motorsports beyond racing itself.
partnership with Mori
"Even the partnership with Mori. At the time we were a Chevy team, we had a couple of meetings trying to figure out how an alliance might work."
In racing, a partnership usually means two groups team up to share support and resources. The host is saying this collaboration was part of the process of building the program.
A “partnership” in motorsports usually means two organizations collaborate on resources—engineering, sponsorship, branding, or team operations. “Mori” here appears to be a partner entity, and the discussion frames it as part of the steps toward aligning business and racing goals.
trophy trucks
"Troy Herps... Terrible Herps race and those trophy trucks dude are gnarly. Cup engines more or less."
Trophy trucks are race trucks built for rough desert terrain. They have special suspension and power so they can handle big jumps and whoops, but they’re also tough to drive fast.
Trophy trucks are purpose-built off-road race trucks designed for extreme desert conditions—big suspension travel, high ground clearance, and strong drivetrains. They’re typically associated with series like SCORE and are known for being very aggressive and difficult to drive at the limit.
Cup engines
"Terrible Herps race and those trophy trucks dude are gnarly. Cup engines more or less."
“Cup engines” is shorthand for the kind of powerful race engines used in NASCAR’s top series. The speaker is saying the off-road trucks are using engines that are in that same high-performance category.
“Cup engines” is a reference to NASCAR Cup-style engines—high-performance, purpose-built powerplants used in top-level NASCAR competition. In the context of trophy trucks, the speaker is implying the trucks use engines that are similar in spirit (or origin) to those high-output racing engines.
unlimited category
"Yeah... Cup engines more or less. Yeah, it's an unlimited category."
“Unlimited” means the race class has looser rules about what the vehicles can be. That usually lets teams build more extreme, high-performance trucks.
An “unlimited” category means the rules allow a wide range of vehicle designs and performance levels, with fewer restrictions than typical classes. In off-road racing, that often translates to more extreme trucks and engines compared with more tightly regulated divisions.
1200 horsepower option
"I mean they can fly when you launch them far. They have a 1200 horsepower option. We ran like the 800 horsepower option because of the track and trying to hook the rear tires up."
They’re talking about a race setup that can be tuned for more power. More power helps you go faster, but it can also make the car harder to control because the tires have to grip harder.
The “horsepower option” refers to a higher-output engine configuration that can be selected for a race vehicle. More horsepower can improve acceleration, but it also increases the challenge of traction and tire management—especially when exiting corners.
hook the rear tires up
"We ran like the 800 horsepower option because of the track and trying to hook the rear tires up. Is that the first time you've done them at 400?"
They mean making sure the back tires can grip the ground. If they don’t grip, the car spins instead of accelerating.
“Hook the rear tires up” is racing slang for getting strong traction at the drive wheels so the car can accelerate without excessive wheelspin. It’s especially important when power is high and the surface or setup makes grip limited.
800 horsepower option
"They have a 1200 horsepower option. We ran like the 800 horsepower option because of the track and trying to hook the rear tires up. Is that the first time you've done them at 400?"
They chose a lower-power setup on purpose. That can help the tires grip better so the car doesn’t spin its wheels as much.
Choosing an “800 horsepower option” implies the team deliberately reduced power to match track conditions and traction needs. In racing, dialing back power can help keep the rear tires hooked, reducing wheelspin and improving consistency.
suspension
"So different. The vehicles, the suspension, all these different presets that you can use in different scenarios on the track and then a navigator that's really calling out everything."
Suspension is what connects the wheels to the car and helps the tires stay planted. Changing it can make the car feel more stable and grippy on different parts of a course.
Suspension is the system that controls how a vehicle rides and how its tires stay in contact with the road or track. Different suspension settings (and “presets”) can change grip, stability, and how the car handles bumps, braking, and cornering.
navigator that's really calling out everything
"The vehicles, the suspension, all these different presets that you can use in different scenarios on the track and then a navigator that's really calling out everything. And so the track was 94 miles long."
A navigator is like a co-pilot who tells the driver what’s coming next. Instead of guessing, the driver gets guidance so they can react faster and safer.
In off-road and endurance-style racing, a navigator provides real-time pace notes and course information to help the driver anticipate hazards and line choices. This reduces reaction time and can improve both speed and safety.
track was 94 miles long
"And so the track was 94 miles long. Every bend in the road, every major rock that would give you a flat is all noted and your co-writer is talking to you about it."
They’re describing a long course. When you drive that far, staying consistent and not getting surprised by hazards becomes really important.
A 94-mile course length suggests a long, sustained driving segment where fatigue, tire wear, and navigation accuracy matter. Longer tracks also increase the value of detailed notes for consistency and risk management.
every major rock that would give you a flat is all noted
"Every bend in the road, every major rock that would give you a flat is all noted and your co-writer is talking to you about it. So I felt like it might put you into a more dangerous situation because you're on the edge more, but it really is an incredible safety measure because you know where all the bad stuff is and you can really work through that."
They’re saying the course notes warn you about rocks that could puncture a tire. Avoiding flats is crucial because once you lose a tire, you can’t keep racing normally.
This describes pace-note style hazard mapping—specifically calling out rocks that can puncture tires and cause a flat. In off-road racing, preventing tire damage is often as important as outright speed because a puncture can end the run or force a major slowdown.
co-writer
"Every bend in the road, every major rock that would give you a flat is all noted and your co-writer is talking to you about it. So I felt like it might put you into a more dangerous situation because you're on the edge more, but it really is an incredible safety measure because you know where all the bad stuff is and you can really work through that."
The co-writer helps make the written guide for the course. Those notes help the navigator and driver know what to expect.
A “co-writer” here refers to the person who helps create the course notes/pace notes used by the navigator and driver. Having accurate notes is a key part of race strategy in events where the driver can’t simply “see and react” to everything in time.
spotter
"But I would say like a spotter because that's really what the individual is doing. Oh, big roll of the A, big man."
A spotter is someone on the team who helps the driver by watching what’s happening ahead and around them. They call out things the driver might miss so the driver can make safer decisions.
A “spotter” is a crew member who watches the track from a vantage point and communicates what the driver can’t easily see—like traffic, hazards, or upcoming conditions. It’s a safety and performance tool that complements the navigator/notes.
Talladega yesterday
"[563.3s] But let's just shift gears and talk about Talladega yesterday. [566.3s] You were down there. [567.0s] Yep."
They’re talking about Talladega, a famous NASCAR track. The conversation is basically a recap of what happened there and how intense it was.
Talladega refers to Talladega Superspeedway, a high-speed NASCAR oval known for pack racing and frequent cautions. “Yesterday” frames the conversation as a recap of what happened there and how it affected the teams and drivers.
Toyota Camry
"[567.0s] Yep. [567.4s] The 43 Doritos Camry looked awesome and it was right in the mix, dude."
They’re talking about a Toyota Camry race car. The “43” is the car’s number in the race, and “Doritos” is the sponsor logo on the car.
The speaker is referring to a Toyota Camry race car with a sponsor livery (Doritos) and the car number 43. In NASCAR, the number and sponsor branding help identify the specific entry on track and on broadcasts.
pit box
"[575.4s] Really? [575.6s] My foot was banging on the pit box. [578.6s] I live on the 42 box, have access to both comms and can talk to spotters and everybody."
A pit box is the team’s spot in the pit lane. When the car comes in, the crew works from that area and talks to the driver.
A pit box is the specific stall area in the pit lane assigned to a team. Crew members use it to service the car during pit stops and to communicate with the driver via radio/spotters.
flat tire
"[578.6s] I live on the 42 box, have access to both comms and can talk to spotters and everybody. [584.4s] But I'm living on the 42 box and John Hunter unfortunately had a flat tire. [589.4s] The second to last restart ran something over and 43 car is in the mix."
A flat tire is when the tire goes soft or gets damaged. The car usually has to come in so the team can fix it, and that can hurt the driver’s chances.
A flat tire means the tire loses pressure or is damaged enough that it can’t maintain safe contact with the track. In NASCAR, a flat tire typically forces an unscheduled pit stop and can drastically affect track position.
restart
"[584.4s] But I'm living on the 42 box and John Hunter unfortunately had a flat tire. [589.4s] The second to last restart ran something over and 43 car is in the mix. [594.0s] So I switched and solely listening to their channels and just shaking my leg and heart rate had to be like 140 sitting."
A restart is when the race starts moving again after a caution. Cars bunch up and things can get chaotic right away.
A restart is when the race resumes after a caution period (like debris or an incident). The field is re-accelerated and positions can change quickly, which is why the speaker mentions a restart running something over.
human capital
"There's a lot of selling going on for human capital for sponsors to believe in you."
Human capital just means the team’s people and their skills. Sponsors want to know the organization is staffed well enough to succeed, not just that the car is fast.
“Human capital” here refers to the value of people—staffing, talent, and expertise—needed to run a competitive motorsports operation. Sponsors evaluate whether a team has the right people and systems to deliver results.
balanced budget
"It's tough to run a balanced budget and motorsports. So as you can imagine, a win in all the bonuses that unlocks."
A balanced budget means the team spends about what it brings in. Racing is expensive, so it’s hard to keep the finances steady when results and sponsorships can change.
A “balanced budget” in racing means keeping spending aligned with revenue from sponsorships, prize money, and other income streams. Motorsports costs are high and unpredictable, so teams often have to manage cash flow carefully to stay operational.
bonuses
"It's tough to run a balanced budget and motorsports. So as you can imagine, a win in all the bonuses that unlocks."
Bonuses are extra money you earn when you perform well. In racing, those payouts can help a team’s budget a lot.
In motorsports, “bonuses” typically refer to performance-based payouts tied to results, points, or specific milestones. These can materially affect a team’s finances, especially when budgets are tight.
in the trenches
"You're like in the trenches. I remember going to Southbound when you started a Tex-Mex restaurant..."
“In the trenches” means doing the hard, behind-the-scenes work every day. It’s the stuff that keeps the team going, even if fans never see it.
“In the trenches” describes the day-to-day grind of running a racing organization—work that’s intense, practical, and often invisible to fans. The segment contrasts big-picture investing with the operational details required to keep a team and its brand running.
Legacy
"And I find myself doing a lot of that with Legacy."
“Legacy” is the racing team Jimmie Johnson is involved with. They’re talking about how the team’s behind-the-scenes choices and brand work connect to performance.
“Legacy” refers to Legacy Motor Club, the NASCAR organization associated with Jimmie Johnson. The discussion frames how the team’s off-track decisions and brand-building efforts support its racing goals.
VIP experience
"Because when your partners come to the racetrack, they're looking for a VIP experience, whether it's at the hauler or with the King Air you've got."
A “VIP experience” at a race is the fancy, premium way sponsors and partners get to enjoy the event. Instead of just sitting in regular seats, they get special access and perks like better viewing areas and hospitality.
In motorsports, a “VIP experience” is a premium hospitality package for sponsors and partners—often including access to special areas, catered events, and closer track access. The idea is to make sponsor relationships feel like a high-end event rather than just watching from the stands.
hauler
"Because when your partners come to the racetrack, they're looking for a VIP experience, whether it's at the hauler or with the King Air you've got."
A “hauler” is the big truck that race teams use to move their cars and equipment to the track. Sometimes it also doubles as a place where guests can hang out.
A “hauler” is the large truck or trailer teams use to transport race cars, tools, and spare parts to and from events. In NASCAR and other series, it’s also where teams set up hospitality and operations for guests.
burnout hanging out the window
"What do you think about the burnout hanging out the window?"
A “burnout” is when the car spins its tires in place, making smoke. “Hanging out the window” means the driver was leaning out while doing it, which is basically a dramatic, showy celebration.
A “burnout” is when a driver spins the tires to generate smoke and heat the tires, usually for show or to signal celebration. “Hanging out the window” suggests the driver was performing the burnout while leaning out, which is a high-risk stunt that can also be used to entertain fans.
Jumbotron
"So I run back and I look at the Jumbotron and I can see his nose into the wall and just matted it and burned the tires down."
A “Jumbotron” is the big screen at the track that shows what’s going on. If something happens on track, it’s often shown there right away so everyone can see it.
A “Jumbotron” is the large video screen at a racetrack used to show live action, replays, and driver information. Fans often use it to immediately understand what happened during an incident.
burned the tires down
"So I run back and I look at the Jumbotron and I can see his nose into the wall and just matted it and burned the tires down."
“Burned the tires down” means the tires were spinning so much that they got overheated and wore out quickly. It usually happens when the car loses traction and the driver keeps it moving.
“Burned the tires down” describes excessive tire spin that overheats and rapidly degrades the tires, often producing smoke. In the context of a crash or incident, it can also indicate the car was still moving under power while tires lost grip.
pit lane
"He jumped on the door sill and I'm firing down pit lane. That was the race."
Pit lane is the strip next to the race track where the crew works on the car. If something happens or the race calls for it, the driver goes there so the team can help.
Pit lane is the area beside the track where teams service cars during a race. Drivers may enter it for scheduled stops, repairs, or to get to the garage after an incident.
diffuser damage
"They had some diffuser damage. The team did a great job."
The diffuser is a part under the race car that helps it stick to the track by shaping airflow. If it’s damaged, the car can feel less planted, so the team has to fix it.
A diffuser is an aerodynamic piece under the car that helps manage airflow and downforce. “Diffuser damage” means that underbody aero got scraped or bent, which can hurt stability and grip until it’s repaired.
left rear tire
"Can't quite see where I'm going though, but just hang on. How the left rear tire doesn't tear me?"
The left rear tire is one of the tires that helps the car grip the road. If it’s damaged or not behaving right, the car can get unstable fast, so drivers and crews watch it closely.
The left rear tire is the rear tire on the driver’s left side, and it’s critical for traction and stability during cornering and braking. In a wreck or during a controlled drive after damage, tire condition and alignment can be the difference between safe handling and a blowout.
cases of beer
"I read an article when you sent cases of beer to Junior's house, so he pushed you. ... How many cases of beer you send? 50 cases."
They’re joking about sending beer to someone as a favor. It’s more about driver/team relationships than anything technical about the cars.
The “cases of beer” joke references a long-running NASCAR culture trope of drivers and teams exchanging favors and showing appreciation. It’s not a technical racing term, but it signals the social side of racing relationships.
tandem
"The tandem was sick. It was awesome. Yeah, it was sick. Now, if you're the guy having to push on the last two laps, you don't love it, but the guy in the front loves it."
A “tandem” is when two race cars draft together closely. The car behind gets help from the air pushed around by the car in front.
In NASCAR, “tandem” refers to two cars running nose-to-tail closely in a drafting setup. The front car creates a low-pressure pocket that helps the trailing car carry more speed, but the trailing car can be vulnerable if the front car changes pace.
push
"Now, if you're the guy having to push on the last two laps, you don't love it, but the guy in the front loves it. But it depends because as we had more time with it, and this is what Junior saw all along and he wanted to be the guy pushing."
To “push” means one car helps another go faster by staying right in its slipstream. It’s teamwork, but the car doing the pushing often has to work harder.
“Push” in drafting racing means the front car uses its position to help the trailing car gain speed and momentum. It’s a cooperative strategy—especially late in a race—where the front car sacrifices some control or comfort to help the other car get to the lead.
win by a nose
"And you guys pass RCR cars, tandem up and win by a nose. How many cases of beer you send?"
“Win by a nose” means the finish was super close, with the winner barely ahead. In NASCAR, drafting can make that kind of photo-finish happen.
“Win by a nose” describes an extremely close finish where the winner is only marginally ahead—often by a fraction of a car length. In NASCAR drafting races, small timing and positioning differences can decide the outcome at the line.
O'Reilly's car
"So Saturday I was there with the O'Reilly's car. Cletus was lead in the archery, so it was electric."
That “O’Reilly’s car” is a race car that carries O’Reilly Auto Parts branding. Sponsors like O’Reilly pay money to support the team, and the car shows that branding so fans can recognize it.
This refers to a race car sponsored by O’Reilly Auto Parts. In NASCAR, sponsor-branded cars are a big part of how teams fund operations and how fans identify the car on track.
private equity is involved with these race teams
"but what's happening behind the scenes and the fact that private equity is involved with these race teams, the charter values rising, MJ winning the lawsuit for the teams."
Private equity is basically investment money from firms that want to grow a business. When it gets involved with race teams, it can change how the team is managed and funded.
Private equity involvement means outside investors buy into or finance racing teams, often to professionalize operations and increase revenue. This can affect how teams are run, how they market themselves, and how quickly they can modernize.
charter values rising
"the fact that private equity is involved with these race teams, the charter values rising, MJ winning the lawsuit for the teams."
A “charter” in NASCAR is like a guaranteed spot/entry system for teams. If charter values are rising, it generally means those guaranteed spots are worth more money than before.
In NASCAR, a “charter” is a team’s guaranteed entry into races, tied to the team’s participation and stability. When charter values rise, it usually signals stronger demand and higher perceived value of owning/operating a team slot.
modernizing
"We're modernizing and there are many layers that we still have to go, but it's happening. And I think one element that the industry can help with is creating entertainment value, bringing the right people to the races, having nice hospitality."
Modernizing means improving the sport’s setup for today—like making events more fun and easier for fans to enjoy. It’s not only about the race cars, but also the whole experience around them.
“Modernizing” here refers to updating the racing business and fan experience—things like venue upgrades, entertainment presentation, and operational improvements. It’s a broader shift beyond just the cars on track.
creating entertainment value
"And I think one element that the industry can help with is creating entertainment value, bringing the right people to the races, having nice hospitality. It's going to take some time before the venues can modernize and catch up."
They’re talking about making races more entertaining, not just competitive. That can mean better events, better hospitality, and more reasons for people to show up.
This is about treating motorsport as entertainment—enhancing storytelling, fan engagement, and event presentation to grow audiences. In modern racing, that can include hospitality, programming, and venue experience upgrades.
cup garage
"And so this, these other layers and we're trying to lead within the cup garage and do things differently."
In NASCAR, the “garage” is where teams work on the cars between sessions. “Cup garage” means the top-level Cup Series team area.
The “cup garage” is the team/operations area associated with NASCAR’s Cup Series, where teams work on cars and prepare for race sessions. The speaker mentions leading within the Cup garage, implying changes to how teams and partners create value around the sport.
Kyle Larson
"It's Kyle Larson over a year without a win. That's a stat that we're not used to seeing out of that."
Kyle Larson is a NASCAR driver used here as an example of an unexpected performance dip—specifically being over a year without a win. The hosts discuss how that’s unusual for him and what a “slump” means in practice.
victory lane
"No, you figure you can't go a month without Kyle Larson being a victory lane in something. He's been leading plenty too."
In NASCAR, “victory lane” is where the winner goes right after the race to celebrate. When someone says a driver is in victory lane, it means they won.
“Victory lane” is the ceremonial area at a NASCAR track where the winning driver is celebrated immediately after the race. It’s become shorthand for actually winning and being recognized on the podium/celebration stage.
slump
"That leads me to ask you, when you get in a quote unquote slump, what's it look like of trying to get out of that and get back where you want to be?"
In racing, a “slump” means you’re not getting the results you expect for a while. The hosts talk about what it takes to work your way out of that rough patch.
A “slump” in racing refers to a stretch of poor results or reduced performance compared with a driver’s usual level. The discussion frames it as something that can happen even if a driver is still “leading plenty,” and it becomes a mental and process challenge to reverse.
accountability
"I had to dig in deeper and I needed layers of accountability left to do my own thing. I'll take the easy way out and I was just one of those drivers that the easy way wasn't going to work."
In the context of racing performance, “accountability” means having structured responsibility—feedback loops, check-ins, and measurable goals—to correct habits and improve results. The speaker contrasts it with taking the “easy way out,” implying accountability helps prevent stagnation.
work life balance
"And when I reflect back and what I'm trying to now create with our drivers, yes, you need to have this work life balance. But the accountability, most drivers need a lot of accountability to have the have the results."
Work life balance just means not letting work take over your whole life. In racing, it matters because being rested and focused can help you perform better.
The phrase “work life balance” refers to managing the demands of a high-pressure job while still maintaining time and energy for personal life. In motorsports, that can affect recovery, focus, and consistency across long seasons.
team pairing
"There's a few like junior, the junior Steve LaTarte pairing was perfect. Steve was just a big coach, chatting him up, kept in the right headspace. Junior did his best work."
A pairing is basically matching people who work well together. In racing, having the right coach or support person can help the driver stay focused and perform.
A “pairing” in motorsports typically means pairing a driver with a specific coach/crew member or leadership role to optimize communication and performance. The transcript highlights how the “junior Steve LaTarte pairing” helped keep the driver in the right mental state.
first meeting with Chad
"Do you remember your first meeting with Chad? Like what was your first impression? We went to a place just down the street from Hendrick. Went to lunch."
This part is telling the story of how the first meeting went and why it felt like things were going well. It’s more about people and team dynamics than car tech.
This segment is about the personal/organizational “first meeting” and how early interactions signaled a good working relationship. While not technical automotive content, it’s a distinct narrative beat about team culture and leadership.
Rocky River Golf Course by the speedway
"That weekend we decided to go play golf, get to know each other some more. So we went to Rocky River Golf Course right there by the speedway."
They’re talking about hanging out and getting to know each other at a golf course near a race track. It’s not about car parts or driving technique.
This is a location/narrative detail about getting to know each other outside of work, tied to the “speedway” area. It’s not an automotive concept, but it helps listeners understand the off-track relationship-building context.
crew chief drive relationship is like a marriage without the benefits
"I've always said though that the crew chief drive relationship is like a marriage without the benefits. I mean, it is freaking work, man."
A crew chief and driver have to work together every race. The crew chief makes the calls and the driver tells them what the car is doing, so they’re always checking in and adjusting. It’s like a partnership where you’re responsible for each other’s performance.
In NASCAR, the crew chief and driver work as a tight feedback loop: the crew chief calls strategy and makes setup/adjustment decisions, while the driver provides real-time feedback. The “marriage” analogy highlights the constant communication and accountability that can feel like a long-term partnership, but without the same personal rewards.
loses the championship by one car on track
"So 04 we lose the championship by one car on track. 05 have a real shot to win the championship."
This refers to a NASCAR season championship being decided by very small margins—here, “by one car on track,” meaning the outcome hinged on a narrow on-track difference rather than a large points gap. It underscores how one incident, tire issue, or missed opportunity can swing a title race.
homestead racing Tony for it
"We're at homestead racing Tony for it. I have a tire coming apart in and crash and we miss that opportunity."
Homestead is a well-known NASCAR track where the season often gets decided. When they say they were “racing for it,” they mean the championship was on the line and every position mattered.
“Homestead” refers to Homestead-Miami Speedway, a key NASCAR venue often used for late-season, high-stakes races. The phrase “racing… for it” indicates the championship pressure typical of the final stretch of the season.
tire coming apart
"I have a tire coming apart in and crash and we miss that opportunity. We knew that the system in place..."
If a tire “comes apart,” it means the tire fails while you’re driving. That can make the car unstable instantly and lead to a crash.
A tire “coming apart” is a serious failure where the tire tread or structure breaks down, which can cause loss of control and crashes. In racing, tire integrity is critical because high loads and heat can expose defects or damage quickly.
Hendrick allowed the crew chiefs to build their own little kind of silos and departments
"We knew that the system in place in the way that Hendrick allowed the crew chiefs to build their own little kind of silos and departments..."
They’re talking about how the race team is organized. Instead of everyone working from one shared plan, different groups may run their own systems. That can change how smoothly information and engineering changes get shared.
This describes an organizational structure where different crew chiefs/teams operate semi-independently (“silos”), each with their own processes and engineering support. The speaker contrasts it with a more centralized engineering approach, implying how team structure can affect communication, workload, and performance consistency.
centralized engineering group
"...changing a more centralized engineering group and all these other things with that was just so much work put on the crew chiefs."
Instead of each group doing things their own way, engineering decisions come from one main place. That can make the team more consistent, but it also changes who does what day-to-day.
A centralized engineering group means engineering resources and decision-making are consolidated rather than distributed across separate crew-chief-led departments. The speaker implies this shift can reduce duplication and improve coordination, but also changes the workload and responsibilities of crew chiefs.
anxiety and stress and burnout
"Rick believed that Chad was doing too much and that was part of his anxiety and stress and burnout burnout was coming."
They’re describing how the job can become mentally exhausting. In racing, the pressure never really stops, and that can lead to burnout.
“Burnout” here refers to the mental and physical exhaustion that can build from constant high-pressure performance demands. In motorsports, the combination of relentless communication, accountability, and risk can amplify stress when team processes or expectations shift.
car chief
"Ron Malick was a big part of your guys team too. He was there for seven champions, your car chief, he was a picker guy, kind of did a lot of stuff."
A “car chief” is basically the lead person on the team who makes sure the race car is prepared the right way. They help coordinate what gets adjusted and how the car is set up for the race.
In NASCAR and other racing series, a “car chief” is a senior crew role responsible for coordinating the car’s setup and day-to-day preparation. They’re a key link between the driver, engineers, and the rest of the crew to keep the car consistent race to race.
off road trucks
"And before the 48 car ever came about, I met Ron up in Wisconsin when I was racing off road trucks."
Off-road trucks are race trucks built to handle dirt, rocks, and uneven ground. Racing in that world can teach people a lot that transfers to other racing series.
“Off road trucks” refers to racing or competition involving trucks designed for rough terrain rather than paved circuits. The skills and engine-building relationships from off-road programs often carry over into other forms of motorsport.
engine shop
"He worked for the engine shop up there and was living above the engine shop that was building my engines."
An engine shop is a place where engines are built and worked on by specialists. For racing, they often do the detailed work that helps the engine last and perform well.
An “engine shop” is a specialized facility that builds, rebuilds, and prepares race engines. In motorsports, these shops handle machining, assembly, and tuning work that directly affects reliability and performance.
solvent tanks
"The guys that ran, that owned the shop were so worried about him because of all the fumes from the solvent tanks and everything."
“Solvent tanks” are containers used to clean parts with chemical solvents, commonly in engine and machining work. In a race engine shop, fumes from these chemicals can be a serious health and safety concern, which is why the team owners were worried.
ASA racing
"So when I moved to Milwaukee to go ASA racing, they're like, hey, you met Ron and had a captain in Coke with him a couple of times. Not long after that, he comes to work for the ASA team and was my car chief on the ASA car."
ASA racing is a type of stock-car racing series in the U.S. The speaker is talking about working with a race team and learning the job roles that go along with that kind of competition.
ASA refers to the American Speed Association, a stock-car racing series. In the transcript, it’s used to describe the early career context and the kind of race team structure (like having a car chief) that comes with that level of racing.
Bush program
"Was that Herzog too? Herzog. And when Herzog started the Bush program, Ron came and then Ron went with me to Hendrick."
The “Bush program” is NASCAR’s second-tier series program (the one that many drivers use to move up). The speaker is saying a key person joined them when they started that next step in racing.
The “Bush program” is a reference to NASCAR’s Busch Series (now the Xfinity Series). It’s mentioned as a career step where Ron moved with the speaker into the next level of NASCAR competition.
Walker's Glen
"Was it his fault the brakes failed at Walker's Glen? No, it was not his fault. Joking."
Walker’s Glen is a race track name mentioned in connection with a crash. The speaker is talking about that incident and whether a person was responsible.
Walker’s Glen is referenced as a specific location/event tied to a crash where the speaker jokes about whether someone was at fault. In racing contexts, track-specific incidents often become part of team learning and safety/engineering discussions.
brakes failed
"Was it his fault the brakes failed at Walker's Glen? No, it was not his fault. Joking."
“Brakes failed” means the car didn’t slow down the way it should. In racing, that can be caused by problems in the brake system, and the team often investigates why it happened.
“Brakes failed” refers to a loss of braking effectiveness, which can come from hydraulic issues, component design, or system layout. The transcript immediately ties it to the “single master cylinder” discussion, implying a technical cause was being debated.
Single master cylinder
"No, it was not his fault. Joking. Single master cylinder in that car. What? Yeah. Trying to save weight or what was it?"
The master cylinder is what turns your brake pedal input into hydraulic pressure that makes the brakes work. “Single master cylinder” means the car uses one main unit to run the braking system, which can be a design choice.
A master cylinder is the hydraulic component that pressurizes brake fluid for the braking system. The transcript’s “single master cylinder” comment suggests a specific brake system layout, and the speaker implies it related to an engineering tradeoff (like weight) and a conceptual issue.
Lower the CG
"Yeah, there was a engineering conceptual issue. Yeah, we're going to lower the CG down. That way when we auger this thing in the styrofoam."
CG means the car’s center of gravity—where the car’s weight effectively balances. Lowering it usually makes the car feel more stable and less likely to tip or feel “tippy” during hard driving or crashes.
“CG” stands for center of gravity, and “lower the CG” means redesigning the car so its weight sits lower. Lowering the center of gravity generally improves stability and handling, especially in high-speed impacts or cornering, which is why it comes up in race-car engineering discussions.
Auger this thing in the styrofoam
"Yeah, we're going to lower the CG down. That way when we auger this thing in the styrofoam."
This describes a crash-test style procedure where a car is driven into a foam barrier (styrofoam) to study impact behavior. It’s used here to explain the engineering intent behind the center-of-gravity change and how the team evaluated crash performance.
straightaway speeds
"We looked at the data from the test because we tested there before that and straightaway speeds 152. And so I scrubbed off some speed on the way."
That’s just how fast the car gets on the straight parts of the track. Faster straightaway speed usually means the car is efficient and you’re setting up the next corner well.
“Straightaway speeds” refers to how fast a car is going on the track’s straight sections. In racing, these speeds are heavily influenced by aerodynamic drag, engine power, and how much speed you carry into braking zones.
scrubbed off some speed
"And so I scrubbed off some speed on the way. 151. But when I was airborne and saw the white, I've only hit concrete."
It means the driver intentionally slowed down a bit before the corner. That can help the car turn in correctly and stay under control.
“Scrubbed off some speed” means reducing speed before or during a braking/turn-in phase, often to regain control or hit the right line. Drivers may do this intentionally if they’re seeing the car behave unpredictably or if grip is lower than expected.
airborne
"But when I was airborne and saw the white, I've only hit concrete. What was white was concrete. That's why I thought it was low."
Airborne means the tires leave the ground for a moment. When that happens, the car can feel unpredictable, and landing can be especially dangerous.
“Airborne” means the car loses contact with the track surface, becoming briefly weightless. That can happen from hitting curbs, bumps, or after a loss of grip, and it dramatically changes stability and braking/steering response on landing.
concrete
"But when I was airborne and saw the white, I've only hit concrete. What was white was concrete. That's why I thought it was low."
They’re talking about hitting a hard trackside surface. Concrete is very unforgiving, so impacts can be harsh and dangerous.
Concrete in this context refers to the trackside barrier/impact surface the driver believes they contacted. In racing, the type of barrier and surface matters because it affects how quickly the car decelerates and how severe the impact loads are.
turn to the outside wall
"And then I told myself, if I ever lose the brakes again, I'll turn to the outside wall. But that's so counterintuitive. It happened again at Pocono."
That’s an emergency decision: instead of trying to save it by steering normally, the driver chooses a specific direction to reduce the risk of a bigger crash. It can feel weird, but it’s about controlling where the car ends up.
“Turn to the outside wall” describes a driver’s emergency avoidance mindset when braking fails or grip is compromised. It’s counterintuitive because drivers usually try to avoid impacts, but sometimes aiming for a specific barrier can reduce the chance of a worse outcome (like spinning into traffic).
brakes go to the floor
"It happened again at Pocono. I wore out the brake pads on the car, brakes go to the floor and I turn in. Yeah. Because you think you could save it."
That phrase means the brake pedal suddenly feels like it goes all the way down, but the car doesn’t slow like it should. It’s a serious problem because you may not be able to stop in time for the corner.
“Brakes go to the floor” describes a loss of braking effectiveness where the pedal travels unusually far with little or no deceleration. In racing, that can be caused by hydraulic issues, air in the lines, or brake system overheating/fade—any of which can force a driver to change strategy immediately.
Pocono
"It happened again at Pocono. I wore out the brake pads on the car, brakes go to the floor and I turn in. Yeah."
Pocono is a race track where the cars go fast on long straight parts and then have to brake hard for turns. That combination can really stress the brakes.
Pocono (likely Pocono Raceway) is a NASCAR oval known for its long straightaways and heavy braking zones. Track layout and braking demands can make brake wear and fade more likely if a car isn’t managed correctly.
brake pads
"It happened again at Pocono. I wore out the brake pads on the car, brakes go to the floor and I turn in. Yeah. Because you think you could save it."
Brake pads are the parts that squeeze against the rotors to slow the car down. If they wear out, braking gets weaker and less consistent.
Brake pads are the friction material that clamps to the brake rotors to create stopping power. If pads wear out, they can overheat, reduce friction, and contribute to brake fade—especially in endurance-style driving or repeated heavy braking.
specs are locked in
"And he's like, got the, got the visor up, you know, his specs are locked in. And he's like, hook it up. You know, he's like, I'm going to try it back."
That phrase means the car setup is decided and finalized. The team isn’t changing things on the fly, so the driver can just drive the plan.
“Specs are locked in” means the car’s setup parameters are finalized—such as tire choice, pressures, and adjustments—so the driver can focus on execution. In racing, “locked in” implies the team has committed to a plan rather than continuing to experiment.
hook it up
"And he's like, got the, got the visor up, you know, his specs are locked in. And he's like, hook it up. You know, he's like, I'm going to try it back."
“Hook it up” is basically “make it work” or “get the car behaving right.” It’s the kind of phrase you’d hear when someone is trying to get the car ready for another attempt.
“Hook it up” is racing slang for getting the car to respond correctly—often meaning traction, braking, or overall setup/feel. In radio-style communication, it’s typically a prompt to make the car work so the driver can attempt another run safely.
visor up
"And he's like, got the, got the visor up, you know, his specs are locked in. And he's like, hook it up. You know, he's like, I'm going to try it back."
“Visor up” refers to the driver’s helmet visor position, which affects airflow, visibility, and sometimes how the driver manages heat and glare. In racing, visor settings are often adjusted for conditions and driver comfort during intense stints.
truck race track
"Obviously you're running the truck race track, which I want to talk about Dario to how that, that introduction."
They’re talking about a race weekend for NASCAR’s pickup-truck series. It’s a different kind of NASCAR event than the main Cup races, but it’s still run on real race tracks.
They’re referring to a NASCAR-style “truck” event at a specific race track. In this context, “truck” usually means the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series, which uses pickup-truck-bodied race cars.
historic car world
"Not directly to that one, but he's involved with legacy and the strategic group that's just recently come on board. He's deep in the historic car world in a lot of racing there."
“Historic car world” means classic cars and old racing. People who are into it often restore older cars and go to events that celebrate how cars used to be.
When someone says they’re “deep in the historic car world,” they’re usually talking about vintage racing, classic car preservation, and events that focus on older machinery. In motorsports, that can include restoring period-correct cars and participating in heritage series where authenticity matters.
Chip Gnasi racing
"And then he's still at Chip Gnasi racing as driver coach for those guys. I honestly didn't realize he was like a little bit before when I was like old enough to really understand how, you know, what great ones were."
This is a racing team/organization (Chip Ganassi Racing). The idea here is that they help drivers improve, including coaching roles.
“Chip Gnasi racing” is almost certainly Chip Ganassi Racing (CGR), a major IndyCar and motorsports organization. The transcript ties it to driver coaching, highlighting how top teams support drivers beyond just race weekends.
driver coach
"And then he's still at Chip Gnasi racing as driver coach for those guys. I honestly didn't realize he was like a little bit before when I was like old enough to really understand how, you know, what great ones were."
A driver coach is someone who helps a race driver get better. They can teach driving techniques and help the driver understand what to change to go faster.
A driver coach is a specialist who helps a racing driver improve performance through technique, feedback, and race preparation. Coaching can cover driving style, braking/turn-in habits, setup communication, and how to learn from data and on-track sessions.
baton
"But yeah. So then so I didn't even realize that Dario more or less handed the baton to Scott Dixon of sorts. Right."
“Handed the baton” is a motorsports metaphor for passing leadership or dominance from one driver to the next. In racing terms, it often implies a transition in who’s winning championships or setting the standard for the era.
last lap gets tangled up
"Dario in 2013 last lap gets tangled up with Kimusato in Houston. Car goes airborne into the fence, disintegrates the car."
It means the cars got into each other’s way near the end of the race. When that happens, one or both cars can lose control and crash.
This describes a late-race incident where two cars make contact or interfere with each other, often leading to a spin, loss of control, or crash. In racing, “tangled up” usually means the drivers couldn’t avoid each other in time, especially under braking or in traffic.
pull a plug on his career
"I mean broke pelvis, legs, ankles, massive concussion, has to pull a plug on his career, couldn't pass the concussion test, all those different things."
They’re saying the injuries were so bad that continuing racing didn’t seem possible. Sometimes drivers have to stop for a long time to recover and be cleared to race again.
“Pull a plug” here means the injury was severe enough that the driver’s racing future was in doubt, at least temporarily. In motorsports, major injuries can force retirement or long layoffs while the driver recovers and gets medically cleared.
concussion test
"couldn't pass the concussion test, all those different things. And then he shares with me last, I guess, last summer that he's cleared the race again."
A concussion test is a medical check to make sure it’s safe for someone to keep racing after a head injury. If you don’t pass, you have to sit out until you’re cleared.
After a serious head injury, racing teams and medical staff require a concussion evaluation before a driver can return. Passing the test is about confirming the brain has recovered enough to safely handle the G-forces and focus demands of racing.
road course
"Have you run a truck at a road course at all? No, I've been in one truck. I made about 20 laps at Bristol and I clipped the apron."
A road course is a track with lots of corners, like a mix of lefts and rights. It’s more about braking, turning, and getting back on the gas than just going fast in a circle.
A road course is a track layout with multiple turns and varying corner types, often requiring repeated braking and acceleration. It’s different from an oval, where the main challenge is maintaining speed through long, consistent turns.
Bristol
"No, I've been in one truck. I made about 20 laps at Bristol and I clipped the apron."
Bristol refers to Bristol Motor Speedway, a high-banked oval known for close racing and heavy tire wear. Even when someone is only doing a short stint, the apron/curb area and banking can strongly affect lap times and car control.
clipped the apron
"I made about 20 laps at Bristol and I clipped the apron."
The “apron” is the lower paved area near the edge of the racing surface on an oval. Clipping it can upset the car’s balance because the grip level and banking transition differ from the main racing groove.
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