LA Auto Show Recap, Subaru Outback, Fast Wagons, Genesis Supercar, Interesting New Nissan

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All right, so we'll kick things off here.

There will be no guests because like I said, we have a lot of news and reviews as usual,

but there was a lot more news, a lot of car debuts, even some that didn't happen in LA.

So lots to cover.

So we'll start with where I was this week.

I was in Phoenix, Arizona, actually we were up in Sedona, and it poured rain the

whole time, which was unusual, to drive the 2026 Outback.

Yeah, a lot of people wrote this car off because it looks like an SUV and it's not a wagon anymore.

And I get it.

It's going to be hard for the people that romanticize the lifted wagon look of it to accept this.

But well, what are your thoughts before I tell you how it is?

So I'm going to give my prediction here because it's a Subaru, I imagine not a whole lot

has changed under the skin, but it looks substantially different outside.

And as much as I don't like the look of it because I really, I mean, you managed to catch

your probably the least ugly shot of it so far, whereas the Outback, sorry, the wilderness

just has so much plastic up front that I'm like, cool.

But I think the important thing is if it still feels like a Subaru to drive and the

interior is just as useful and practical, then maybe people won't mind.

I mean, maybe they will, but that probably helps a lot, right?

As if it still feels like an Outback.

So you nailed it right there.

This is the seventh generation Outback, but the underpinnings are pretty much the sixth

generation, just with some reinforcements, exact same wheelbase, same drivetrain.

It has the new two five liter, two point five, which the Forester and Cross Track

have, so down to horsepower up to pound for your torque, but that's the only

difference. So so many people were like, Oh, it's not a wagon.

It's an SUV. Now it's ruined.

It's not going to drive the same.

It drives the exact same because except for that sheet metal on top is is

the exact same pretty much.

I mean, it has been upgraded.

It is noticeably quieter, like the Forester that's done a good job.

Okay.

But I mean, I've driven lots of Outbacks and lots of generations.

And I mean, from behind the wheel, looking out over the hood, you won't

notice, except for its quieter, like that's the only thing.

The interior is so much nicer.

So that's a big plus because the interior is a problem.

Physical buttons for climate controls, huge plus.

Yeah.

But the tuning knob went away negative, but the big screen is no longer vertical.

It's just a regular square and it's got a new software that someone described

is like, like super basic, but that's kind of nice.

Like it just very minimal you have to do to move around in there

and you can customize stuff.

And yeah, I know it's it's a well put together vehicles.

The only real big negative is getting people to buy into the shape.

But even then, like because of this square shape and the flat glass at the back,

you have so much more cargo space and you have a little more rear seat head space.

So it sits the exact same off the ground.

So you can't argue, well, it's more SUV because it's higher off the ground.

Like the Outback already was, I mean, don't get me wrong.

I love the Outback wagon-ness to it and I will miss it and I'm not happy.

This is an SUV, but it is just like different clothes, same body, basically.

Yeah. Well, so so I guess a question for you, too, is like since it has gained

a substantial amount of height, has that added much to the curb weight

or is it kind of negligible?

It's a little bit more has really gained much height.

It's just that continues back like the the actual.

It's just like they squared off the wagon.

And I mean, that's what an SUV is, right?

It's a it's a car with a little taller green space.

But of course, it's got great sight lines.

But this is still under forty four thousand pounds fully loaded

with every possible trim and turbo.

And that's what this one is.

And then if you get the non-turbo, it's like in the thirty seven

one hundred pound range.

So yeah, like it's still reasonable.

But again, because like all the mechanics are the same,

there's a couple of reinforcements and maybe the body added a couple pounds

because there's a little bit more sheet metal.

But OK, it's an outback pricing.

Does that change a lot?

Um, it does and it doesn't, depending on where you are.

So the outbacks now built in Japan because it was always built

in North America for North Americans, it was built in Indiana.

But now that it's completely separate from the legacy,

it doesn't need to be tied there anymore.

So because it's built in Japan in Canada, it goes up just a little bit

and you get a way better equipped vehicle in the States.

It goes up more what you'd expect.

But I'd have to look it up again, but off the top of my head in Canada

with destination for the fully loaded turbo, all the toys.

It's like fifty two with destination.

And in the States, it's like forty nine.

So like they're pretty close or forty six.

Yeah, I can't remember.

But yeah, they're pretty close.

So in Canada, it's a pretty good deal.

Like jokingly, it's like a Forrester XL with a turbo.

So I want to look at it that way.

Like it still drives like an outback and like a big turbo force.

I don't know if this it's it's strange, but it also makes sense

because North America, you guys love SUVs.

So I mean, you love boxy ones.

So Super was like, all right, we can do this.

We're more masters at the boxy SUV game.

So yeah, okay.

I mean, yeah, I'm warming to the idea.

I still don't like how it looks.

But if you're driving it, you can't see it.

Yeah. And you joked with Subaru and they didn't overlay pose.

I mean, this is how like every new Subaru people hate the looks.

And then over time, I don't know if it grows on you, but you just it like you accept it.

Yeah, exactly.

The five levels of grief or whatever.

Yeah. And I have voted many WX's and I used to be in many WX car forms.

And every time we do one came out, it's the most hideous.

They've ruined it, blah, blah, blah.

And then by the time that generation is done,

this was the best one.

Now this new one sucks.

Why are you like this one?

And it happened every time, ever since the blah, blah, like without fail.

So, you know, there'll be a group that buys this.

It aren't the current traditional back owner that will fall in love with it.

And then if Subaru tries to change it, they'll freak out.

So, yeah, I can't not see old Hyundai Santa Fe in the headlight.

Now, the top light, not the actual headlight, but anyway.

Vertical headlights need to go.

Oh, there is one other issue, and that is there's no hybrid.

The hybrid drivetrains in the forest are in the cross track.

Well, that's why my theory or not theory.

My idea would be that should be the entry level engine.

You can have the hybrid that has more power in the entry level

and way better fuel or turbo power.

But I'm sure that would probably raise the price on the base.

But a little bit.

OK, use the Ford Maverick style.

All right, we spent a lot of time on that.

So moving on, we will start with the coolest debut of the last seven days.

I think easily we do Genesis and Magma wanted to make a splash.

And we kind of knew that they were painting.

They would make a sports car, at least concept or something.

And they brought out this GT that looks like it should be fighting

Ferraris and Lamborghinis.

Yeah, yeah, it has like real Koenigsegg vibes with its wraparound windshield.

And it shows the elasticity of their design language, right?

Like this is a very curvy car, but it still uses the twin line motif.

And it looks really good.

It also looks like it could go into production like tomorrow.

Yeah, like it's very well resolved for being a concept.

But I guess that's because this is a very serious tease from them, right?

Like they said they want to build something like this

because they also want to take it GT level racing.

In addition to that prototype that they're already getting ready for this year.

Yeah, and I think the prototype this will have some of the styling to it,

especially with the headlights.

We've talked on this show before how the hypercars

didn't actually become what they're supposed to, which were like street based.

But yeah, the V8 from the hypercar would probably fit nicely behind the seats.

I know it's hard to say where and how it would fit,

but I'm sure they I'm sure that they figured that out.

It's got the scissor doors.

Yeah, it's got a lot of cool things.

And yeah, let's just hope they build it.

I mean, I think it's just to celebrate the 10 year anniversary

and it's crazy how far they've come in 10 years.

Because yeah, when they started even five years ago,

if he said, well, Genesis is going to make like a $300,000 supercar.

You'd be like, good luck.

Now you're like, OK, all right, that's the next step.

Sounds good.

Yeah, it's it's interesting.

I feel like we've talked about this before on the show

about how Genesis is kind of leapfrog to the other

non-German brands that are trying to fight the Germans,

where now this is the brand that I most consider a competitor

to the established name plates, right?

Like, I guess sort of Cadillac like when kind of like wants to build

either a giant luxury SUV or a hardcore sports sedan.

It nails it.

It does those two things.

But then the rest of its lineup.

Yeah.

Yeah, there's too much bad sharing.

And that's a lot of the other luxury, too.

Genesis could have done that, but they don't.

Like, these are all platforms that are for them.

They remind me kind of like Lexus in the early nineties

until Lexus kind of got into their own, like, they're their own thing.

I don't.

It's not like they can't compute the Germans.

It's they have their own luxury thing that some people try to chase as well.

But this is sort of like they're trying to outgerman the Germans.

Like this car to me, sort of, you said the corners look,

but it feels to me like this is the new R8, basically,

where it's going to be like a supercar that's not quite as crazy as a Ferrari

Lamborghini, but way nicer than just a sports car.

That will probably be, you know, more reliably attainable.

So we'll see.

So moving on now, a little L.A. news.

The Kia Telluride surprised us.

I don't think we saw this.

I mean, I I thought this was going to happen when the Palisade came out

and since it didn't, I figured it wasn't going to happen here.

But all right.

Yeah. Yeah.

So we saw we got to see the Telluride last week.

Man, it feels like it was a while ago.

But yeah, I think it was actually last Monday.

We we saw this and we have thoughts on the styling.

But all we knew was that, yeah, there was going to be a gas engine

of some sort, and now we found out that it's actually ditching the B6

and the Palisade is the only one to keep the B6.

This goes all turbo.

And now this also, Kia has confirmed that it will get the hybrid,

which is the same as the one in the Palisade.

So it's the two and a half liter turbo four cylinder in both cases.

And with the hybrid, we've got three hundred twenty nine horsepower

and three hundred thirty nine pound feet of torque and 35 miles

per gallon combined in a large three row SUV.

Yeah, the turbo still makes tons of torque.

I mean, a little down on power, but torque's what you feel in these.

And it's the two point five turbo, right?

Yeah.

So it's 50 pound feet more than the B6 and 13 horsepower less.

With so many of its competitors going that way,

I would like to both assume this is going to happen.

So either Kia and Hyundai really had different ideas and they went different ways.

Maybe this engine wasn't ready for the Palisade last year

and it's going to switch over in a year or two.

It could just be, though, the corporation hedging their bets,

like you got the Palisade because the Pathfinder pilot.

And now you have this to go against the turbo fours that are out there as well.

And we've got one of each for people to decide between the interesting thing

that I find is that the B6 in the Palisade is new

because it was a three point eight in both of his last generation.

Now it's a three point five.

And this is just this is the two point five liter turbo

that's been in everything for years.

So it's very strange to me.

Yeah, if maybe Hyundai will move to this in a year or two,

but maybe it was a it was a way to keep costs low

because we don't know the price of this yet, right?

So maybe this will actually end up slightly above the Palisade.

I'm I'm very fascinated with this.

I'm also fascinated because Kia has two off road trims, right?

Versus Hyundai's one of the X line and the X pro.

And you can get the hybrid on the X line

because normally these brands kind of keep the off roadie trims as pure gas.

So that's an interesting little difference too with the Kia.

Yeah, and this non off road trim, the nose is a little nicer.

As we figure, there'd be less less plastic.

Yes, it has blinds in between its headlights.

Yeah, with the three five, I mean, I I'm sure I could figure this out

in two seconds if I looked it up, but I wonder if it's a shrunk down

relation to the three eight or if it's related more to the three five

turbo from the Genesis that just took the turbos off and shoved it in there for now.

I mean, you have to turn it sideways and Matt may like pair it up

to a transverse transmission, but could act.

So who knows?

But yeah, our prediction, I think they tell you right.

Are the Palisade follows suit sooner or later, but yeah.

So moving on to corporate twins, we knew for over here that

Nissan was bringing a P have version of the rogue out and we knew

pretty much right after they told us, actually, I think even at

the event I was at when they first announced that that it would

use Mitsubishi hardware for the P F and then we found out

earlier this year that in all new rogues should be coming out in

twenty six foot twenty seven model year and that rogue should

also have the e power hybrid.

So we always thought like, what's this P have from its

you going to be and while they debuted it and it is a Mitsubishi

Outlander with slightly different headlights and Nissan badges.

Does it have different headlights?

I know it has a different grill ish look and obviously the

badges are different, but yeah, maybe you're right.

Maybe I'm confusing the P have looks for the non.

Yeah, yeah, the top lights are there.

It doesn't have the grill party.

Yeah, no, no, I think it's pretty much the same.

The Mitsubishi seems to be more square.

Oh, no.

Yeah.

No, it's the same.

Um, so same.

My theory as to why this exists after all I said is they

they're probably staggering the new rogues.

So maybe we get new rogue next year and e power hybrid

doesn't come until a year or two later.

So this can continue to be sold and it's not based on

the current one.

So it's not like they have to keep two lines going themselves

pretty much.

So that's my thoughts.

It's I don't know.

I'm very excuse me.

I'm very confused about this.

I feel like it would cause confusion for buyers, but at the

same time, I'm thinking that people that go to one dealership

of the other probably aren't cross shopping, but maybe they

are.

I don't know.

So I just find it very strange.

It I mean, this is the perfect headline, right?

It is like it is proper bold school badge engineering of

like, here's another car.

It's the same car.

Yeah, I agree.

I don't think Mitsubishi and Nissan buyers are probably

cross shopping this exact car.

So they won't probably know it's quite the same, but it's

the Nissan buyer that's going to be confused.

They're going to show them and be like, Oh, there's

the rogues.

You have to be like, Oh, what's this?

It's a rogue too.

No, it's not.

Yes, it is.

But like I said, it's maybe it's a carry-on.

I mean, if you want to be completely cynical, maybe

they plan to take the technology, put it in the rogue

and we've heard the well-documented cash flow.

So it was easier to do this, but who knows?

Yeah.

And I mean, I guess if it gets your your fleet averages

down or transaction prices up or whatever brings

in new buyers, then I guess, yeah, it's a it's

a financially prudent way to expand.

Yeah.

And we'll get you into the hybrid segment.

I mean, it's the Mazda with the CX-50 hybrid, right?

Like that's all total running great.

I mean, they have their own body at least.

Can you imagine a RAV4 with a Mazda badge?

And they're like, look, it's the CX-50 hybrid.

But I mean, the same thing like they just try

to get in there for now until their own tech

comes sooner rather than later.

But stop gap.

But it's just didn't expect it to be this outlier.

All right, well, we will get back to the debuts and what not

a second, but Kyle tells us about your.

Well, these are just family wagons, right?

That you compared?

Yeah.

Totally, totally practical wagons.

It's it's very funny.

So I drove the 2025 BMW M5 Touring and the same model

year Porsche, Taycan, GTS, Sport Turismo.

It's funny that wagons have kind of gone this way in North

America where they kind of exist still.

There's a handful of them, but most of them are actually

high performance models.

So it's either that or faux off-roading ones like Volvo

and Mercedes, I think still has one of those.

And Subaru.

Oh, no.

So this would have actually, I drove a plug-in hybrid

Panamera earlier this year and that would actually be

a perfect match for the M5, except there's no more wagon

version of the Panamera because the take rate was less

than 10% on the old one.

So this is the only Porsche wagon you can get, but I think

it might be my favorite wagon.

We know that GTS trims are the Goldilocks trims for

Porsches and getting the long roof of the Taycan.

You get good range, you get like slightly shy of 600

horsepower and it knocks up to nearly 700 with launch

control. It is comfortable.

It is good on range now.

Like I think I might have already said that.

It's just one car to rule them all.

It does everything well and it looks great too.

The wagon looks cool as hell.

And so putting it up against the M5, the M5 has more

power, more weight.

Which is crazy.

More, it feels like it has more grip to more space,

which is one thing girl and yeah, and it lights up and

honestly, probably a bigger breadth of drive modes in

the sense that the M5 can actually be very comfortable

and quiet when you want it to be or it can be a monster.

And of course, you can disconnect power to the

front axle and turn it into a rear drive.

717 horsepower wagon.

The weird thing about it is the M5 feels a little

rough around the edges.

Like you can barely contain all this power.

And yet at the same time, it also feels weirdly digital.

It doesn't have a lot of variance to how it drives,

at least when you're having fun with it.

The Taycan feels more analog weirdly.

It's actually like easier to play with in a corner and

kind of have fun and enjoy the balance.

But one thing as you and I have both driven the

M5N, the Taycan feels like it's lacking now, right?

It's like so many times when I was driving it, I wanted

to pull for pedals that just don't exist.

Well, portion may have something for you coming down

the road further in this podcast.

But yeah, I was supposed to help you with this and

I was very sad that I couldn't because these are

like two fantastic beasts and they are beasts.

They're both in different ways.

But yeah, like you said, it seems it fits a wagon.

It's either luxury or sport or something.

And I guess that's because they're kind of compromised

compared to an SUV or a minivan in terms of interior

space.

So they're trying to sell you on something else.

And the one thing people always go back to is, well,

they drive better because they're more car-like.

So they kind of lean on that, I guess, and go full performance.

And they do.

They do drive better.

Yeah, my pick would be the Taycan and it is in

the comparison.

But I do see the advantage of the M5.

I feel like this is a car that you just get into and you

can you can drive across country in this thing.

And oh, you're going to take a stop at a racetrack.

Cool.

This car will take care of itself on a racetrack.

It won't embarrass itself.

And then you can just get back on the road and

you know, drive hundreds of miles in comfort.

And a junior's tire shop to replace.

And that, yeah, yeah.

There is a feeling like when you're really pushing the M5,

you're just, oh, I'm so sorry.

So sorry tires.

All right.

So moving on.

Going back.

Yeah.

So Audi, not at the LAO show, but they debuted their new Q3.

And it has the new styling that we kind of saw on the

Q5 and some of their cars recently.

And I like it.

I like the direction it's going.

The grills kind of getting a little more in control, cleaner

lines.

It doesn't have exposed exhaust pipes like the Q5 did.

We didn't get that far with this, but the two liter makes

255 horsepower now through a seven speed dual clutch.

Okay.

And that's all you get.

Like that's it.

So they're boasting it as the most powerful in its class

because I guess they're comparing it to X1 and

GLA like X1 four cylinder.

X1, yeah, like 230 or something.

I can't remember 241.

Yeah.

Okay.

So yeah, I mean, and then the inside it's got all the

modern Audi bits and pieces with all the digital dash and

the big infotainment and everything.

It just looks like it looks like a more of a change

and upgrade compared to the last Q3.

So it's good.

It seems like even if the mechanics aren't overly

changing, they're doing stuff with the body in the

inside.

See, I was I was confused seeing this news this week

because I was positive we had already seen the Q3 and in

fact, I was positive that people had already driven the

Q3 and then I realized that, yeah, it debuted like last

year, but or sorry this spring, but in Europe, of

course, right?

And now this is us finally getting all the North American

like packaging stuff.

Yeah.

And I was like, oh, that makes more sense.

I do wonder if we're going to get all the cool

headlight tech because I think that is the fascinating

part of the Q3.

I've seen video of people driving it in Europe and when

you go to signal the change lanes, it moves the beam

over to the lane you're going to be in and highlights

that lane like that.

That is incredible technology, but we always get stuck

without all the coolest latest headlight tech.

Yeah, I don't think I do that and projecting stuff

on the road with the lights too.

Like I don't think US law is going to allow that yet,

but they wouldn't allow some other lighting stuff that

since come by is just they take their time.

Are we getting the weird shifting controls behind

the steering wheel?

Is that yes?

Yeah.

Oh, that's just Q3.

All right.

So moving back to high performance EVs, Genesis first

official magma.

Now we talked about their concept, but this is an

actual production version is coming.

The one we always knew was going to be first the

GV 60.

It had to be because they don't have that V8 yet.

So you can't really magma your gas versions yet

because you're already maxing out on your sixes.

So yeah, this is I mean to oversimplify things.

It's an ionic 5N bits in the GV 60.

Yeah.

And I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.

It sounds like it'll be fun.

It does get slightly more torque than its siblings.

It peaks at 583.

So it gets something like 20 pound feet more.

Not that you're really going to notice, but yeah,

otherwise it sounds like they've taken all the good bits

and just put it in a different shape.

It may end up with more downforce based on that big fixed

rear wing and it sounds like they've actually further

evolved the simulated shift feature because now it

will adjust the horsepower and torque and engine

region whereas before I think it just momentarily

impacted torque.

So it could be even more fun.

Who knows?

It'd be fun to have all three if you can get an EV6 GT

with the upgraded.

I mean, few at far between.

I don't think you can because it's no longer sold.

It never came to Canada, the EV6 GT, the updated one.

And it's no longer sold in the U.S. either.

I mean, like there's I assume a couple trickled in,

but who knows?

So you mentioned the one thing that I have the biggest

issue with this and that's the wing.

It just this is such a cool shape and so nice and

that wing just looks like someone went to their local

performance shop and slapped on generic wing 101.

Like it doesn't fit it.

It's got weird upturns on the side.

I know it's probably 100% super aerodynamic wing tunnel

too. And like everything there makes is there for reason

except for downforce, but it just visually.

Yeah, it looks like bull horns on the back.

Crap handles.

I do I do appreciate one thing that Genesis mentioned

when they showed this off is that they said magma will

come to every model of Genesis, which I thought was

interesting like everything you want to G90 magma

GV 90.

I mean, I guess GV 90 isn't the thing yet, but her talks

for a while, right?

So so yeah, I mean, this is like we said earlier.

This is them going after the Germans.

You can't do that without a performance sub-brand.

And so here's the start.

We said it.

We said the thing it's missing for the GV 80 is a big engine.

So GV 80 coupe with a V8 under the hood sign me up.

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Okay.

So this is our final test drive portion of the show

today and we driving the Jeep Wagoneer Overland

Special Edition and that's his official name and

it's perplexing because the Wagoneer is no more

after 25 we already saw the 26 Grand Wagoneer refresh.

We know Dodge or Ram.

I think it's I don't remember which one exactly is getting

a version of this vehicle for their brand and

essentially this is going to replace the Wagoneer

because it was so confusing having Wagoneer and

Grand Wagoneer you'd assume Wagoneer was short and

grand was longer but no it was the class they fought

in Wagoneer fought Suburbans and Expeditions

and Grand Wagoneer fought Cadillac Escalades

and Navigators so I think it is it makes more sense

to have like Dodge against the mainstream and you can

have your Jeep that you're trying to make premium go

against the the premiums but then that makes this

is addition curious like they brought out a very luxurious

version this year too which made things even more

confusing and this so the Overland as it sounds

is like Jeep's off road trim without going hardcore

into like a trailhawk or Rubicon and this gets

all terrain tires and it gets skid plates and it gets

a more more durable two speed transfer case so it has

like some off road bits and being a Wagoneer is the air

suspension up to 10.1 inches drive wise it doesn't seem

to drive much different and usually we find the off

rotors are a little smoother or squishier but I think

that's because this still has 20 inch wheels even

with the all terrain tires so you're not really you're

not shrinking to like a 17 with a big fat sidewall

tire I see what you're saying yeah you're just getting

a little more sidewall yeah like it's too I don't

have to get more sidewall you're just getting knob

your and basically the tires so there's no more road

noise or anything and I didn't really get to off road

it it looks kind of your jacked way up in the air

with these tires but it's huge yeah but I mean I know

people have problems with the design but it's a big

box and the inside that translates to so much space

and yeah this is one of the better driving ones

because these are all based on their pickup counterparts

that I mean the Rams one of the better driving full

size trucks so it translates to this and I mean realistically

they all drive the same I said that the review like a

suburban to an expedition to this to an armada like

they're all kind of the point where they're smoothing

out their truck routes as best they can and the only

differences are the final suspension tuning sort of

like how they ride yeah and I mean you could boost the

steering and whatnot but yeah it's just like if you really

likes to Lantus or roll par or whatever you want to say and

you need a full size SUV that can tow a lot here you go

this thing tows 10,000 pounds so and get it now because

it's gone after next year but there will be a replacement

down the road does that mean this is going to be a

collector's edition maybe I do like the paint but yeah

that's the thing like like driving it I've never had a

problem looks I know some people like can't stand it but

I don't think anything in the segments of good looker like

everything kind of I think it really depends on color right

like you just said this is a nice red and I think that

helps but when you see this in white it kind of looks like

a fridge but like Chevy's new truck style language I'm

not crazy and I usually like theirs the Armada it looks

okay it's nice in the expedition in the Sequoia

they're like an offensive it's just there's no style icon

here and that's because they're all truck based and they all

need tons of space inside so you can't go too crazy with

their style I like the look of the new expedition after

driving into the summer I actually kind of like it except

for the weird black panel to highlight the slick tailgate

but anyway so yeah it's I mean it's what it should be

it's a contender completely and it gives you an option

if you don't want one of the other ones oh and the

turbo six is great yes so speaking of three rows Honda

has updated the pilot and we just got this thing I know

it's crazy it's already in the mid-cycle refresh yeah

because and you say that and then I also like party means

like why is it not all new like the passport like shouldn't

this be the twin but it's right this came out already but

yeah it's basically getting the passport style which I like

to look at the new pilot like I always have been yeah when

we first drove it like two years ago but the big pilot on

the tailgate and a look but now they've made it try to look

even more rugged yep as everyone is yeah rugged everything

it it yeah I'm sure it's going to be more or less the

same to drive because as far as I know they haven't

dramatically well I mean actually I mean based on this

headline it might be fairly different to drive just the

power train is going to be the same yeah and we considered

it one of the better ones to drive overall so if they somehow

improve that further and now obviously the inside is going

to be updated but you know what it's a it's about family

resemblance and like we said everything's be rugged so good

on Honda because two pilots ago was very roundy yeah and this

current one I really liked and then I don't have to see this

in person to really make my final call if I like this

better or not yeah my one concern here is this probably

feels slightly counterproductive but I hope they don't make

the trail sport much more off-roading because in my

mind it really helps to keep the passport trail sport as

kind of the the halo model of the off-roading because

it's a tiny bit smaller and a two row and more focused

on that whereas like this should be the family oriented

SUV and sure yeah it can have some off-road chops but I hope

it doesn't just take everything from the passport.

Well the current pilot trail sport was pretty good like

capable for what it was so yeah just continue doing that.

And while we're on the topic of off-roading Jeep finally

showed us the wreak on that feels like it's been years

I mean it hasn't but it feels like I've been hearing about

this thing forever so it's jeeps I think supposed to

initially be their first electric vehicle but it ends up

being number two because of the wagon here is which it

probably should have been the other way around but I'm

guessing I'm guessing making this off-road capable took

longer time than making something that was just road

biased like this wagon here.

Yeah and it's interesting because it's kind of like kind

of not well not a compass like a bit of a Wrangler

look but it's actually a real SUV more but you can take

the doors off it's got a bit of the Renegade in it kind of

but way bigger it's got a lot of new Cherokee.

Yeah yeah boxy and you can take the doors off though so

that's the big thing for off-roaders and it only has

650 horsepower you can take the off and you can take

the doors off and it no longer requires any tools.

Well I can't say no longer I mean yeah true true I say

no longer because the Wrangler still does yeah the Wrangler

also still has solid front axles so you know it just

doesn't want to change.

This is still the stellar large platform so that's

the interesting thing to me is like it's technically a

wagon-ear-ass but it has all-terrain tires I think

they're 33 inch tires it has a lot more ground clearance

a lot more suspension travel so I mean I'm curious

because it is a unibody platform.

Just think of how high you could jump this is 650 horsepower

and all that capability and and think about the range

because this one has with the 200 or with the 650 horsepower

has a range of about 230 miles future models with less

power will get that up to 250 miles but still you're

taking a hit to go off-roading in your EV of course the flip

side there is once you're actually off-roading EVs are a lot

more efficient off-road than a gas car so.

Yeah it's interesting I just don't foresee many of these

doing any some like real off-roading like people take

them because they can but yeah and just be interesting to

see how this does I want to try one before I save judgment

I just I don't know you have to find a new customer I don't

think you're gonna get many current chief customer

Wrangler owners for sure to go to this.

I don't know yeah like I'm very curious because I remember

very clearly my first Wrangler 4xE experience because I

remember going out into the brush and off-roading in

silence and there was something really really nice about

that so yeah I mean here's hoping it doesn't seem like

it's repriced I mean it's it's expensive but it's not as

expensive as maybe I would expect given the stats so yeah

I'm curious.

Yeah it's one of those you need to drive it yeah you know

it could be really surprising and anyway so we'll look

forward to that speaking of electric SUVs Porsche decided

that their second one the Cayenne because it's bigger and

needed a little bit more power right couple little ponies

little bit what is it 1139 horsepower yeah this is this is

it for me this is the point where EVs have officially they're

getting like too much power like it's just ridiculous like

what's the point I know there's some thousand horsepower

bees already but they're super cars or like the Taycan

trying to be like a super car but this is an SUV now with

1100 horsepower like ridiculous I yeah I did not expect that I

expected a lot of power but like this isn't even a turbo GT

this is just the Cayenne turbo turbo and and like I mean the

lucid gravity isn't putting out this amount of power it has it

has those extending fins in its rear haunches which are

fascinating to me it's like this thing is so quick that we

literally need extendable aero aids on the side of the car

which doesn't take off like wings like oh okay like this is

a SUV that does a 9.9 second run in a quarter mile.

Yeah it's like oh hey want to come over and see my new Corvette

zero one got that in my driveway already it's in my SUV I

don't need that power.

My SUV V that weighs probably twice as much but also cost twice

as much well maybe not after a zero one.

Yeah I it shows I find this fascinating because it really

shows the the change with Porsche where the Cayenne is sort of

the brand's defective flagship right like you've got it you've

got to make it I think you mean effective.

Yeah you you've got to make a statement with your EV version

and boy does it and and I think like look like I'm not saying

all buyers are like this but some buyers want you know the

bragging rights that's why you would get that's why you would

get like a Cayenne turbo instead of just a Cayenne 4S or

whatever I guess Cayenne s like some people are going to go

for this because look you have a ton of power also it's not

like it's just a ton of power right it has very quick charging

batteries it has good range this is the first model that does

that inductive charging so it's just like a giant mobile phone

you just roll it over your wireless charger parked in your

garage and it like there's a lot of fascinating aspects to

this that I kind of like but I'm with you this is this is

just too much power.

Yeah I I know it's not like a gas engine like if you turn the

power down a lot you don't get that much more range with the way

electric motors are I mean you get a little but it's you can

get way more power for how little power range you give up

so yeah that's why they do it is because they can't but I

mean I guess you could have had smaller motors to start

with and then you get better range but and you get lower

weight well but also not much not much because the battery

is the way but you gotta get people what they want and clearly

they wanted 1100 horsepower electric but I get it because

Porsche did that sort of with the Taycan it's sort of like we

are going EV but look how crazy your EV is so it kind of

gives people like oh like it's it's not just here's an

electric Porsche it's a look at how crazy dumb fast my

car is and the other thing too is like how iterative these

electric cars can be right is like I remember when the

Taycan launched and people were freaking out because the EPA

rating was barely over 200 miles and then of course you got

it in people's hands and it regularly did better than

that and then when they did the facelift and it's updated

it's like oh even any a gts will do 280 miles on a charge

it's like these are getting better I mean this this

instantly became one of the cars I'm most looking forward

to driving next year I don't know if you're going to drive

it or if it's going to drive you well you know either

way a car I'd most like to experience yes.

All right well that wraps it up for our extensive debuts

and news and reviews and all that good stuff like I said

we're going to take a very short break and I'll be back

with column to talk about some F1 rumors ahead of the Las

Vegas Grand Prix though it'll already happen when you hear

this and then Kyle be back and we'll talk about what we've

been up to this week and what we're going to be up to

next week.

All right welcome back we have column would once again

joining us this is before the Vegas race we don't know if

it'll be rained out but by the time you see this it will

have happened but let's forget about Vegas for now and

talk about all the news and rumors leading up to the

big race.

There's there's lots there's always lots of news and

rumors everything else maybe the the the first bit of

news I don't know if you've got that one queued up or

yes there you go that the total wolf so yeah okay he

remains you know or city CEO and team principal but

that he sold a huge stake that he owns so actually he sold

a 15% stake to this is the US billionaire which is named

here.

I want to say it's Ted Kurtz but no it's George Kurtz so

$300 million he's the CEO of CrowdStrike so so yeah which

is already a sponsor of the team right and then I saw

something else this morning that actually then this

George Kurtz will actually become like a I don't know

like a technical advisor which is probably just you know

a nice way to sort of pat him on the back and be a

part of that the bigger group but the interesting thing

that that that sale value values the Mercedes team at

$5.97 billion which is the most for a Formula One

team so that's pretty wild that it's $6 billion for the

team.

Yeah.

Throw in merchandise and everything that's a lot of

money.

Yeah good on total he's got lots of piles of cash

now so we'll see I'm sure he'll stick around for a

good while still but you never know.

Yeah he seems he feels like he's the kind of guy to me

with a big okay total we got to let you go we've had enough

and they'll just be like no no this is not happening.

No I'm staying.

No yeah well I'm sure he'll leave when he wants to leave.

Yeah and like everybody else let's see how next year

goes to the new regulations if it sucks he might be

like all right now it's time to pack it in if it's

great you're like I'm all in like let's do it so so

the Americans are slowly taking over so it won't be long

until you have stages and more advertising on the cars

and no no stages I actually saw and I haven't seen it this

in the race so so people who watch the F1 the Vegas

race apparently you know like the the corners they

have the like the rumble strips or the not the rumble

strips but the outside of the corners and it's got

all the looks like cards like playing cards apparently

one of the corners is going to look like a Dorito part

of a Dorito sponsorship so I haven't seen that but

apparently that'll happen so yeah so there's some some

clever sponsorship if it works that's probably the

least offensive advertising so yeah all right oh oh yes

what's next oh Felipe Massa so this is so funny I guess

I'm wrong although it's funny how depends where you get

your news from the first thing I saw about Felipe

Massa's battle with you know trying to overturn the

rulings was a press release from the FIA and the

press release basically reads like it was all struck down

nothing to see here packing in go home but but but but

that's totally not true so so the the gist of it is he

basically some of the court case was struck down but

the the judge for this I guess was a preliminary trial

basically said that yes it can in fact go ahead he

basically said that look there's no there's no

chance that that he'll get to overturn the result of the

of the finale that he won't be declared world like that

that's all kind of like the judge kind of said like

that's not something that can really be evaluated however

they did say that he is entirely within his rights

to go after formula one for what is it the 64 million

pounds that he's looking for so that is going to court

and he's going to try and get some some dollars out

of this so I thought I didn't think that I guess

maybe maybe I am still right in saying that like the the

whole overturning the you know the the results that's not

going to happen but you know who is going to get some

money and probably this ends up being some type of

the settlement less than 64 million pounds and we

they get some dollars and I do think that there's

like a moral victory here for him right like if

he can if he can get money then basically that's

the formula one admitting that you know that that

he that they screwed up is the gist of it so

it's just the way all the legal systems in the world seem

to work you know you can't fully 100% undeniably convinced

it in like a criminal court but in the civil money

courts like yeah they probably screwed up here some

money it's OJ all over again right yeah it's just

everything all over again I mean if I will publish

a book saying if we did it yeah oh no oh no oh crap all

right so super quick rumor here Charles Leclerc

apparently has been approached by Aston Martin to go

there I feel like these rumors are kind of they're not

nonsense they of course have have found it every team

is talking to every driver that they can right so why

would they not it's a it's a interesting look right

and actually again if you're Charles Leclerc you'd want

to be promoting that idea too that you're being shocked

around after the recent you know fall out there and

if you think that Lewis is probably not going to be

around after next year you know he'll he'll do the

2026 and then be gone off to you know retirement or

something and then they really need a like what's

the future if they were to lose Lewis and Charles

the same year poof that's a huge problem so

all he wanders into the office kicks open the door and

says here's my terms yeah right you can give a guy like

him a huge bargaining power that he wouldn't otherwise

have so it's funny March 2025 you'd be like oh Aston

just talking to everybody because they're linked

everyone but now in November 2025 you're like well

maybe Charles wants out so yeah a lot happened in

here but Aston Martin feels like the only dodgers to

me it's like everybody is linked to them because

they just have money to spend it whoever wants to come

come on yeah but they're still really quite terrible like

they they I hope that Adrian Newey's been like working

behind the scenes to do some great stuff for next

year and maybe they will come out and surprise the

hell of us but they other than the very first year

that they sort of came out with that like a rebadged

Mercedes effectively and did quite well it was or

was it a rebadged Red Bull it wasn't either but

it was just like they kind of copied a previous thing

no I think it was the I think they copied basically

and I think it was Haas the copied the Mercedes and

they I can't remember but yeah they just it was a green

version of something else but I agree I think Newey is

working on 26 and knowing it's wide open and they're

going to have Honda right yes so you know Honda's got

a pretty good history look at Red Bull so yeah

they could be like I'm keeping eye on them and

I think McLaren has transitioned okay oh yeah and

then Red Bull is a big question mark with the Ford it

totally is like that could go anywhere right it

could be just a complete disaster or they could

dominate I mean like the Detroit Auto Show this year

you're probably going to have the Red Bull Ford and

the Cadillac F1 car both on display like what a

crazy yeah yeah I know what like imagine telling

somebody that a couple years ago you'd be like

that's no that's crazy talk right but boom here

we are yeah alright so moving on to our last story

last last rumor of the days it's not even a rumor

so the director of the F1 movie Joseph Kaczynski

has said that he has an active discussions with

both Apple and Brad Pitt for a sequel so I don't

know a 7 year old F1 driver comes back to one more

go they're basically just going to copy that

what was it the third cars movie they'll have

a young female come in and she will get trained

and then overtake the boss and that's how it's going

to go so played by Sydney Sweeney I'm just trying

to think there you go right now you could throw

out there yeah that'll get views then it's a I

don't know it's just a the more I think back

I think you know like I really enjoyed watching

the movie when it was in theaters and it was

fun but like there's nothing lasting about it

there's no like I would never go back and watch

that movie again I would net like I and it's just

one of the movies that screams sequel will be terrible

I could be wrong maybe they'll maybe they'll pull

a Terminator 2 on us and make the greatest crap

ever but I don't know so he's going to travel back

in time to his younger self and make sure he

still does the formula and path there you go

it's actually a origin story movie about yeah

it goes back and we need someone to play

a young Brad Pitt is the the gist of it so

I think of who that could be well as someone

who still never saw the movie you're really selling

it on me call you didn't see it no because I didn't

get to theaters and it hasn't shown up on somewhere

free streaming again or the airplanes yet

so I'm just waiting yeah yeah no no you can't watch

that airplane I mean airplanes make everything

seem everything good because you're stuck

but you got to like you need some some big

sound you got to watch it like cranked

my headphones yeah I can myself in my headphones

yeah but you need like the big screen you can't

see anything else around you it was like I went

and saw it in with like the whatever was the

top the line I max version and that was really

like that was that was the way to see it and

I really think like watching it at home would be

much less impressive unless you have like an

absolutely massive screen so so watch it like

it's fun you'll enjoy it'll be a good time

some of it's kind of nonsense whatever but

but it's like yeah you know but but it's

like you won't think bad there are movies

that like have a cultural resonance right

and you're like oh I'm rambling now that somebody

mentioned once like avatar avatar is a movie

that like everybody saw but like has no like

important cultural flash points at all I think

that this is similar I did the Disney ride

okay I made a ride but no you're right this is

no the fast and furious right fast and furious

I get I still think about rush like rush is

a fabulous movie like if if if you were just

like you're bored on a Tuesday night

and you're flipping channels and you saw rush

was on you're like oh stop and then before you

know it would be the end of the movie and be

like that was a great movie like this yeah I

don't know yeah you just go in with the

expectations was like the Gran Turismo movie

right like people were like oh the the order

of sequences for that guy's not correct like

it's out of order because it was and teams

like we're going up the different ranks

together like they're doing sports cars

now they're doing protests like just forget

about that and just enjoy the movie like

it was yeah it's fun I never saw that movie

so so there you go I had been told I should

as well so we'll see all right well before

you go I don't have a rumor but a fun thing

that I read recently was during the media

scrim in a Vegas Landau was being asked

why he and Oscar don't do as many fun

social media things anymore like basically

saying like is there tension you guys

don't like each other and Landau's

response was we are both fighting for a

championship we have asked not to do

as much social and focus on driving

it's like yeah obvious but yeah you know

people are trying to find a story

that doesn't exist wherever they get

they always will they always will yeah

all right well thanks for joining us

next week of Vegas will be over

and the championship could be real close

again or could almost be over to all

depends on what happens yeah so we'll see

see all right Mike

all right so that just about wraps up

the auto guy show brought to you by

eBay Motors Kyle we've both been

away a lot this week I will just quickly

go first because I talked about it I

was in rainy rainy Sedona driving the

outback which is funny that you go to

the desert and it pours rain but you're

like the most capable vehicle for that

kind of weather yeah yeah that is a

little odd I mean it did make for some

very dramatic photos and I imagine it

also highlighted now that capability

of Subaru's all-wheel drive system

so there you go maybe they planned

it was all part of the plan they're

controlling the weather so where were

you this week so to make this as smooth

of a segue as possible I heard that

before I arrived for my driveway on my

trip it was also like the weather you

had it was cloudy and rainy and just

just all around miserable as you'd

expect when you're in southern

Spain which is where I was I was well

like I can safely say that I was there

to drive the BMW ix3 a vehicle that I've

been looking forward to for a long time

that you got to go see for a preview

when it rose revealed in the summer

and yeah I can say that there were

also some other things that I will

be talking about in a very future

episode but the ix3 is is the main

event and you'll be able to hear about

it in about a week and a half after

this episode launches and I have a lot

of thoughts because well Mike I mean

you you saw it at the preview I can't

think of another car that has shown up

in in my time here at AutoGuide that

is this new in every way like this

cars when people are like oh it's all

new you're like okay it's all new but

like it's a carryover engine or something

like that it's like this is a new

platform new infotainment new styling

direction new engine or sorry motors new

battery tech like everything so it's

um it's quite a lot so yeah that was

uh that was me and then I guess

yeah go ahead I was gonna say like

you're totally like a whole new

company started pretty much yeah

like it's yeah yeah um and then next

week uh I go nowhere and you go nowhere

what a surprise it's real nice um uh we

are doing a off-roady comparison um

you're finally gonna get a chance to

drive the the new pilot no the new

passport yeah and I'll get to drive

the new passport and we will put it

against its natural rival because

Honda and Toyota are always locked

never any battle so we're gonna put it

against the forerunner and yeah see uh

see how close it is because a forerunner

sort of the the sort of the icon in the

very capable has the off-road proper

bits but still is an SUV like it's not

as far off as a Wrangler Bronco but

it's got the body on frame ruggedness

so Honda is trying to get there with

their Unibody and I mean we know

Unibodies can off-road Jeep themselves

have been doing it forever with the

Grand Cherokee so I look forward to

we're not gonna do anything crazy

hardcore but no um I did see a video

this week on social media like a

super like a Forester with just some

all-terrain tires and stuff just

like climbing up um what is it like

Devil's Revenge or whatever in my

app so so Unibodies can perform

off-road and then actually as like a

weird little side feature next week

um I'm gonna be in a Wrangler we have

accidentally double booked because we

really wanted to do this comparison

but I'm gonna be in the enthusiast

Wrangler the two-door manual

soft top just the sport S trim so

pretty reasonably priced not a lot of

fancy stuff anywhere and I'm very

curious to see what it's gonna be

like to live with as we quickly

approach actual winter yeah it should

be interesting and I'm curious how it

will drive because we had the manual

Tacoma and we're kind of like a little

underwhelmed with the manual so let's

see what this is like yeah yeah so it's

gonna be a fun week all right well I

guess that wraps it up then we'll be

back next week with special guests

and some more news and reviews but

until then I'm having a good week so

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