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Lap Times > Dollar Signs Two Guys Garage Podcast · Apr 21, 2026

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Concept

throttle therapy

“Throttle therapy” just means getting out and driving hard enough to feel the car respond. The idea is that you learn by doing—using the gas to accelerate through corners and figuring out what feels fast and controllable. It’s about practice as much as it is about fun.

Concept

lap it get ET times performance times

“ET times” refers to elapsed time—how long it takes to complete a timed run, most commonly associated with drag racing. The hosts also mention “performance times” and “lap it,” which points to using timing tools to quantify improvement on track. Logging times turns subjective driving into measurable progress.

Topic

time attack

Time attack is when you’re trying to set the fastest time on the track, usually by yourself in timed runs. Instead of battling another car, you’re racing the clock. It’s all about driving technique and consistency.

Topic

track days

Track days are days where regular drivers can take their cars to a race track to practice. You’re not racing for points—you’re learning and getting lots of laps. It’s a great way to improve your driving safely.

Topic

SCCA racing

SCCA is a big U.S. organization that runs amateur sports-car events. If you’re into racing but don’t want to jump straight to pro-level stuff, SCCA is one of the common places to start. The episode mentions it as part of the time-attack and performance scene.

Topic

drag racing

Drag racing is when cars race in a straight line over a short distance. The goal is to be the quickest, usually measured by elapsed time. The host mentions it as a big part of his driving history.

Topic

auto cross

Autocross is a motorsport where drivers navigate a marked course (often in a parking lot or field) at speed, emphasizing quick steering inputs and car balance. Unlike track days, it’s typically lower speed but very technical, with lots of acceleration/braking changes. The hosts call it “a blast,” framing it as another way to learn limits and improve driving skills.

Concept

road course

A road course is a track with lots of turns, not just a straight drag strip. Driving it teaches you how to handle the car through corners. The host is saying it’s more educational because you’re doing the hard stuff more often.

Concept

breaking and turning

“Breaking and turning” (likely “braking and turning”) refers to the core driving sequence used to control speed and direction into corners. On track, mastering how braking overlaps with steering helps maintain traction and stability. The episode lists these as areas where drivers learn their limits and improve.

Concept

hit the apex

The apex is the inside “turning point” of a corner. Hitting it helps you line up the car so you can exit the corner smoothly and accelerate sooner. It’s one of the key skills track drivers practice.

Term

throttle out of it

This is about how you press the gas when you’re coming out of a turn. Getting it right helps the tires grip and keeps the car stable.

Term

data

“Data” here means the car’s measurements from sensors. Racers use those numbers to figure out what’s helping (or hurting) lap times.

Term

aero

Aero is how the car’s shape interacts with the air. In racing, it’s often used to push the car down so the tires can stick better at high speed.

Term

shocks

Shocks are the parts that control how the suspension moves. The right settings help the tires stay planted instead of bouncing around.

Term

suspension travel

Suspension travel is how much the suspension can move up and down. If it doesn’t have enough room, the car can bottom out; too much can make it feel unstable.

Term

chassis wise

“Chassis-wise” means how the car’s body and suspension act as a system. When the car is going really fast, the way it flexes and loads up matters a lot.

Concept

putting a lot more power down

This phrase means getting the engine’s power to actually move the car forward instead of just spinning the wheels. When you have more power, tires and traction become the main challenge.

Concept

big V8 engines

A big V8 is an engine with eight cylinders arranged in a V shape. It often makes strong pulling power, but in a fast car you still have to be careful because too much torque can overwhelm the tires.

Concept

high horsepower

High horsepower means the engine makes a lot of power. More power can make a car feel faster, but it also makes it easier to lose grip if you press the gas too hard.

Topic

king of the hill

“King of the hill” just means everyone is trying to be the best and stay on top. In racing, it usually means you’re constantly chasing the fastest performance.

Term

treadwear tire

Treadwear is basically a tire’s “how long it lasts” rating. Racing series sometimes require a certain treadwear level so everyone can’t just buy the most expensive, longest-lasting race tires.

Concept

1,500 horsepower turbo cars

They’re talking about cars making around 1,500 horsepower using a turbo. More power usually means faster acceleration and better chances to pass, so if you’re down on power you’re fighting uphill.

Concept

rule change that bumped me out of the class

Sometimes racing rules change, and suddenly your car doesn’t fit the class anymore. That can force you into a different group where you’re competing against different kinds of cars.

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unlimited class

An “unlimited class” typically means fewer restrictions on powertrain modifications, allowing teams to chase performance without a cap. That often leads to an arms race where spending and engine output escalate, and the competitive gap can widen if one team can afford bigger upgrades.

Concept

horsepower matters

They’re saying horsepower is a major driver of speed. If your car has less power, it’s harder to get up to speed and keep momentum, so you’ll usually struggle unless you have other advantages.

Concept

chasing that guy / arms race to 1200 horsepower

They’re describing a cycle where if one team gets faster, everyone else feels pressure to spend more to catch up. That’s how you end up with extremely high horsepower numbers and big costs.

Part

differentials

The differential is what lets the two driven wheels spin at slightly different speeds when you turn. If you add a lot more power, it can get overwhelmed and break.

Part

axles

Axles are the parts that carry power from the drivetrain to the wheels. If the torque is too high, they can fail.

Part

clutches

A clutch connects and disconnects the engine’s power to the transmission. Higher horsepower and aggressive driving can overheat or wear out clutches, leading to slipping or failure.

Term

thousand wheel

“Thousand wheel” means about 1,000 horsepower reaching the wheels, not just the engine. It’s a way to measure how much power the car is actually putting to the ground.

Concept

turbos

Turbos are devices that cram extra air into the engine to make more power. They’re saying they wanted to avoid some of the extra headaches that come with turbo setups.

Car

Audi S5

The Audi S5 is a sportier version of an Audi A5. It’s meant to be more powerful and more performance-focused than the regular model. People talk about it as a good starting point for upgrades and builds.

Car

2018 Mustang

They’re talking about a 2018 Ford Mustang they already had. They took parts off it and put them onto another car to try to make the new build work better.

Term

Tremac Magnum XL

Tremec Magnum XL is a performance transmission meant for high power. They’re saying that once they pushed the car too hard, even that upgraded gearbox wasn’t enough to prevent other parts from failing.

Concept

finite budgets

Finite budgets means you don’t have unlimited money for upgrades. So you have to be smarter about what you improve first, because you can’t replace everything if it breaks.

Car

Mazda MX-5 / Miata

The Miata is a small sports car made by Mazda. It’s built to feel light and easy to drive, and some versions come with a roof. That makes it a popular choice for people who want a fun car without complicated ownership.

Car

Scion Frs

The Scion FR-S is a small sports car made to be fun and easy to drive. The podcast compares it to a Miata, but with a fixed roof instead of an open-top design. That makes it a common choice for people who want a sporty car they can use daily.

Term

LS

“LS” refers to GM’s LS-series V8 engines, which became a popular swap choice because they’re compact, plentiful, and have strong aftermarket support. The hosts mention that LS swaps are common enough that they’ve “been done to death,” and they warn about the cost spiral when chasing very high power.

Term

LS swap kit

An LS swap kit is a set of parts that makes it easier to put a GM V8 (the “LS” engine family) into another car. They’re saying people have done this so much that it can be expensive and stressful to chase big power.

Term

bigger cam

A “bigger cam” is an aftermarket camshaft upgrade that changes valve timing and lift to improve airflow at certain RPM ranges. The hosts use it as an example of how chasing power can quickly escalate into drivetrain and chassis stress, leading to failures at high horsepower.

Term

3 15s and 3 35 big tires

They’re talking about running very wide tires. Wider tires can grip the road better, but they can also make the car harder on parts like suspension and drivetrain if you’re pushing big power.

Term

wheel horsepower

Wheel horsepower is the power measured at the wheels, usually on a dyno. It’s lower than engine horsepower because some power is lost through the drivetrain (transmission, driveshaft, differential, etc.).

Concept

opposed boxer engine

An opposed boxer engine places cylinders on opposite sides of the crankshaft, with pistons moving in and out like a “boxer” stance. The tradeoff is packaging: boxer engines can be wide, which affects how easily they fit in certain chassis compared with narrower V6 layouts.

Car

Porsche 911

They’re mentioning the Porsche 911 as an example of a car with a wide flat engine. The point is that boxer-style engines can take up a lot of space compared with other engine layouts.

Term

single overhead cam

Single overhead cam means there’s one camshaft in the engine head that controls the valves. It’s a common, straightforward valve setup that can be easier to package and maintain than more complex designs.

Term

all-aluminum V6

All-aluminum means the engine is made mostly from aluminum instead of heavier iron. That usually helps it weigh less, and a V6 is just a six-cylinder engine shaped like a “V.”

Concept

class rules that limit modifications to the long block internals

They’re talking about race rules that say you can’t change the engine’s internal guts. That keeps costs down and makes the competition about what you can do within the allowed limits.

Concept

pick a class you can build to the limit

The quote is basically saying: don’t chase the biggest, most expensive racing class right away. Pick a category where you can fully use the rules to build the best car you’re allowed to build.

Topic

Trans-Am racing

They’re referencing Trans-Am, a racing series, as an example of where a team chose the right competition level and then did really well. The takeaway is about strategy and resources, not just the cars.

Concept

driveline swap packaging constraints

When you swap parts, you can’t just pick an engine and transmission based on horsepower. The car’s layout determines what physically fits, so you often need custom adapters or fabrication to make the drivetrain work together.

Concept

transverse engine layout

“Transverse” means the engine is mounted sideways in the chassis. Most transverse setups are designed for front-wheel drive, so if you want a different layout, you usually can’t just bolt on the “right” transmission without custom parts.

Car

Acura NSX

The Acura NSX is a sports car made by Acura. It’s designed to be fast and technologically advanced, and it has a history tied to racing engineering. That’s why it’s often discussed when people talk about performance cars and engines.

Part

bell housing adapter

A bellhousing adapter is a custom piece that lets two parts connect correctly—engine to transmission. In a swap, you can’t always use the factory connection, so you build an adapter so everything lines up and the starter and clutch work properly.

Car

Mazda Rx8

The RX-8 is a sports car made by Mazda that uses a different type of engine than most cars. In the podcast, they’re talking about using its transmission in a project, which means the parts can fit into other builds. That’s why it’s mentioned in a discussion about swapping components.

Term

reverse mountain starter

“Reverse mountain starter” appears to describe a starter configuration/location that’s opposite of what you’d expect in a typical setup. In context, it’s tied to how the starter is packaged on the transmission side for their chosen engine/transmission combination.

Term

300 horsepower

They’re aiming for roughly 300 horsepower. The point isn’t just raw power—it’s that in a light car, that power level can still be manageable for track driving.

Term

2,500 pound car

They’re giving a weight number—about 2,500 pounds—to explain why the car should feel manageable. Lighter cars generally need less power to be quick, and they respond better on track.

Concept

engine swap packaging

They’re talking about whether an engine can physically fit and work in a different car. Things like engine shape and how it’s mounted can make swaps easy or hard, and that also affects cost.

Term

dual overhead cam

A camshaft controls the engine’s valves. “Dual overhead cam” means there are two camshafts up top, and the speaker is saying this engine isn’t that layout.

Term

v-tech

V-Tech/VTEC is a system that helps the engine breathe better depending on how fast you’re revving. It can make the car feel better at low speeds and stronger at higher RPMs.

Term

four valves per cylinder

Instead of just one intake and one exhaust valve, this engine uses two of each. More valves can help the engine get air in and exhaust out more efficiently.

Term

weight is something that really does matter

They’re saying lighter cars tend to feel quicker and handle better. Less weight helps the car accelerate, stop, and turn more easily.

Term

six speed manual

They’re saying the car will use a manual transmission with six gears. That means you still use a clutch and shift yourself.

Term

GM quit selling blocks

They’re saying it’s harder to buy new engine block parts from GM. That makes LS builds more expensive and forces more scavenging or rebuilding.

Concept

sweet spot

They mean there’s a best balance point—enough power to be exciting, but not so much that you have to replace a bunch of parts. If you go too far, the car can stop feeling like the original and the costs jump.

Part

r180 differential

They’re talking about the rear differential (the part that sends power to the wheels). In these smaller cars, that differential isn’t as strong, so it can break when you add too much power.

Car

Subaru BRZ

They’re comparing the BRZ/FRS-style cars to the BMWs, saying the smaller cars hit limits sooner. When you add big power, parts like the rear differential and axles can become the weak link.

Term

plug-and-play wiring harness

A plug-and-play wiring harness is an aftermarket harness designed to connect the swap components to the car’s electrical system with minimal splicing. This reduces installation time and helps avoid wiring mistakes that can cause drivability or reliability issues.

Company

Link ECU

Link ECU refers to an aftermarket engine control unit used to manage fuel and ignition for swapped engines. With an ECU like this, tuners can calibrate the engine to work correctly with the new setup and sensors.

Car

Honda S2000

They’re saying this engine is also commonly used in Honda S2000s. The S2000 is famous for revving high, so they’re comparing how the swap changes the driving feel.

Concept

class rules (allowed modifications)

The hosts are discussing how racing classes restrict what you’re allowed to change, which directly affects performance. In many spec-style classes, suspension and brake upgrades may be limited or tightly defined, while other areas are more open.

Part

remote MCS doubles

This is a type of upgraded suspension damper. The “remote” setup means the shock’s fluid reservoir is mounted separately, which can help the suspension stay consistent when you’re driving hard for a while.

Part

brake any iron brake

They’re saying the rules let them change the brakes. Better brakes can stop you harder and more consistently, especially after repeated laps.

Term

tread wear (200 tread wear)

Tread wear is a number that hints at how long a tire should last. Lower numbers usually mean the tire grips better but wears out sooner; higher numbers last longer but may not feel as sticky.

Term

wide body

A wide body means the car’s fenders are widened so you can run bigger tires. That usually helps the car stick better in corners.

Term

eight square foot wing

A wing is the spoiler-like part that helps keep the car planted at speed. The bigger the wing area, the more downforce it can usually make.

Term

six inch splitter

A splitter is a piece under the front bumper that helps the air flow in a way that can push the car down for better grip. A bigger one usually means more aero effect, but it can also be easier to scrape.

Term

castor camber plates

Camber and caster plates let you adjust how the wheels sit. On a track, that helps the tires grip better when you’re turning hard.

Car

BMW E36

The BMW E36 is a well-known 3 Series from the 1990s. It’s popular with enthusiasts because it’s a great base for engine swaps and track cars.

Term

headers

Headers are parts that help the exhaust leave the engine efficiently. They’re often expensive in swap projects because they have to fit the engine and car correctly.

Term

dual clutch sequential transmission

This is a gearbox that shifts quickly using two clutches. Instead of you manually selecting gears one-by-one like an old-style stick shift, it moves through gears in sequence, often with paddles.

Concept

engine swap logistics (wiring/computer integration)

Even if you physically bolt parts in, the car’s electronics still have to work together. With modern swaps, wiring and computer control can be the hardest part, not just the mechanical fitment.

Term

SMG

SMG is BMW’s system that makes a manual-style gearbox shift automatically using computers and actuators. If it’s not working right, it can feel jerky or slow, so some owners replace it with a regular manual.

Term

clunky early 2000s

They’re basically saying the car’s shifting didn’t feel smooth. With some automated-manual setups, the computer can make the shifts feel delayed or rough.

Term

DCT

DCT (dual-clutch transmission) uses two clutches—one preps odd gears while the other handles even gears—so shifts can be extremely fast. The hosts describe how the car “pre-engage[s]” the next gear and even blocks unsafe downshifts, which helps explain why DCTs feel so consistent and quick.

Term

PDK

PDK is Porsche’s dual-clutch transmission. It’s designed to shift fast because it can line up the next gear before you need it.

Car

Corvette C8

The Corvette C8 is the newer Corvette generation with the engine mounted behind the front seats. They bring it up because it’s one of the cars that can use a dual-clutch transmission for quick shifting.

Car

Shelby GT500

The Shelby GT500 is a very powerful muscle car made by Ford with Shelby branding. The podcast is talking about its dual-clutch automatic transmission, which changes gears quickly. That’s a big part of why people find it exciting to drive.

Concept

lswap movement

An LS swap is when people put a GM LS V8 engine into a different car. It’s popular because the engine is common, has lots of aftermarket parts, and can be easier to build for performance.

Car

BMW M5

The BMW M5 is a fast, high-performance version of a BMW sedan. It’s known for having very powerful engines, including V8 and V10 options depending on the generation. That’s why it’s often mentioned when people talk about performance cars that still work as daily drivers.

Term

inline 6

“Inline 6” means the engine has six cylinders lined up in a row. The hosts are saying BMW’s older inline-6 engines had a certain feel that people miss. Turbo engines can be fast, but they may not sound or rev the same way.

Term

8400 rpm

RPM tells you how fast the engine is spinning. 8,400 rpm is pretty high, meaning the engine is revving hard. They’re describing the excitement and feel you get when an engine can pull to high revs.

Term

paddle

Paddles are the little shift buttons on the steering wheel. Instead of moving a shifter, you pull a paddle to change gears. The hosts are saying it makes the car feel more immediate when you’re driving hard.

Term

ballast

Ballast is added weight placed in a car to meet a minimum weight requirement or to balance performance under racing rules. The segment mentions adding ballast to reach a target weight (e.g., running at 3,000 pounds) to make the car eligible and competitive. This is common in spec-like classes where weight affects grip, braking, and acceleration.

Concept

weight classes / minimum weight rules

They’re talking about racing rules that limit how light a car can be. If your car is too light, you add weight so everyone competes on a more even playing field. That means teams focus on setup and driving, not just raw power.

Topic

Max four / max classes

They’re talking about racing “classes,” like categories that cars compete in under specific rules. “Max four” is one of those categories, and they’re saying it’s slower than some others. Their goal is to beat the class expectations anyway.

Topic

Eagles Canyon

Eagles Canyon is the race track where they’re planning to compete. Different tracks reward different car setups and driving styles. That’s why they’re talking about class rules and car weight in the context of that event.

Concept

Engine sourcing on eBay (swap cost comparison)

The segment contrasts swap economics by describing finding an engine on eBay for $4,000 versus much more expensive BMW engines. This highlights a common swap strategy: using readily available donor parts to keep the project affordable. The hosts also frame risk/replacement cost—if it breaks, you can replace it cheaply.

Concept

Uncorked

“Uncorked” usually means the exhaust has been opened up so it flows easier and sounds louder. People say it when they’ve removed or changed mufflers/resonators. In this segment, they’re saying it sounds amazing once it’s uncorked.

Concept

High-revving engine (revved to 8,000)

The hosts emphasize how often they rev the engine to around 8,000 rpm, highlighting a high-revving character. High-revving engines typically require careful maintenance and correct oil choice, and they can be more sensitive to neglect. In swap discussions, the “how it sounds when you rev it” is often part of the appeal, not just the power number.

LIVE

It is two guys garage podcast. He's Kevin Bird. I'm Willie B man fired up for today. We're talking performance

We're talking everything that makes us encourage us to go faster man throttle therapy is one of those things that

Once you get a little sample of it

it's hard to beat in any sort of

Scenario where you can get behind the wheel and literally throw your car around some turns some some berms and some

Some fun stuff and and do so in a way where you could log it

Lap it get ET times performance times and do your best, right? That's what we're talking today

And uh, i'm stoked to uh to fire up the conversation

Yeah, we've got one more favorite boys man. This guy is out of the track

Constantly and doing it from like kind of an engineering really scientific approach

Really just measuring every incremental second. He's chopping off each lap, right? What is working?

What's not working?

Super awesome. So it's so data-driven

Uh, it just puts kind of a cool factor in the fun factor. Yeah, man. It's all about like you said, man

Carving up the turns we're talking track days time attack

So if you're into any of that you definitely want to stick around for terry fair from vorsch like motorsports

Yeah, any sort of scca racing time attack stuff

Uh auto cross stuff man. It's a blast. Whatever you you know, I'm a guy who loves drag racing

Grew up on it always, you know, did the street racing thing and drag racing thing here in

In colorado until we didn't have a racetrack and hopefully that would change soon

but when you do have an opportunity to get behind your car

And whip it around a road course

It's so much more fun for such a longer period of time and you find out so much more about yourself as a driver

So you find out where your limits are initially and where you could push the limits at in certain ways and scenarios and breaking and

turning and you know when to hit the apex and

Uh, you know throttle out of it things that you can do as you progress with your car

Uh personality and an attitude and aggressiveness as well

And it's really a cool symbiotic relationship when we talk to terry who's done every form and facet of racing

Done a lot of different changes a lot of wild changes a lot of mild changes a lot of data in between

To document everything so it's all presented a way that we can absorb it

Learn from his mistakes and he's got a few of them, man

You know, it's all trial and error and sometimes it's a hell of a lot of errors

But that's the way to move it forward, right? Like we learn from our mistakes, right? We learn from those trials

Absolutely, we learn from the sweat and the tears. So

Man, this is going to be fun. Now just to get us started. We've been tracking terry last couple years, man. He's gone in

all in

honestly in time attack

unlimited class

and a really wicked build anybody's ever raced anything the unlimited class

It's just another way. It's a very polite way of saying

Let's turn a lot of money into a lot of noise

Like the unlimited class

Is like the balls out big budget crazy car builds that you could do all kinds of things too

You got crazy power. You got crazy aero

You got crazy r and d and when you break something

It's normally crazy expensive because you're going so fast, right? And there's so much

Ripple effect, you know at that speed that weight that acceleration and and let's get honest

When you have that much power things are violent in the setup

You know your shocks your suspension the travel

Everything that the car is going through chassis wise

much more aggressive when it weighs more and you're putting a lot more power down and trying to

You know plant that power wherever you can

So it's uh, it's a big big boy big toy package and big budgets, right? Unlimited class means

Unlimited budget and I bet it was a hell of a good time. But uh, yeah, it comes at a cost

Right a lot of cost. So we're gonna talk about that and what is the what are the lessons learned?

What are the fun factors and where we turn in the corner to get into a class?

You know time attack on the track that's a more affordable

But you can still take all those lessons learned and apply them and you know a different sort of form factor

So take us out will it's come back and have some fun with terry. It's trauma and drama of the racetrack man with terry fair

It's kevin bird will he be and this is the two guys garage podcast

It is the two guys garage podcast. He's kevin bird. I'm will he be we have a buddy terry fair own from

Worslog motorsports now

terry's had more seat time than all of us combined you guys he's guy

There's really spent a lot of time

Out on the course out on the track and you know with that that seat time comes a lot of knowledge

and it's funny because

It's so funny when

If you're a parent you often try and catch yourself trying to parent yourself out of your kid

Uh, meaning that you may give yourself warnings. Know what not to do but sometime

Sometimes the lure of high horsepower big v8 engines

Uh, and you know the unlimited class. There's a certain bravado that goes with that

Especially with everybody fighting to be king of the hill

And and with an unlimited budget that is a fierce

Battleground and man he got to cut his teeth in a few years and learned a well a couple lessons. I bet

terry, um

What was the takeaway from from playing in that arena for a couple years?

You know I

We ran for a couple of seasons in a class that had limits

It was 200 treadwear tire and we had to build within a certain envelope

But it was pretty wide open

and I got over confident and I said, you know, we can go take on the guys with the

1,500 horsepower turbo cars and our car makes half that I was crazy

I just wasn't thinking there was a certain rule change that happened

At the last minute for the 25 season that kind of bumped me out of the class. I was comfortable in and doing really well in

And so I said well the heck with it. We'll just run this unlimited class for 25 and

I mean, I think I went to the track six times broke every time. I made three laps in anger

It was a uh, it was a very frustrating and expensive season

With not a lot to show for it and and having to race against guys that make

Literally double the power is

It's very humbling because because horsepower matters, you know, that's that's always a battle, man

Yeah, in the end horsepower wins you can't

You know and something like that where you can use it horsepower will win that battle and it's

It's a tough battle being when you're that underpowered, right kev. Absolutely. But you know at the same time, right? What is that class? It's

You could just keep spending more

Right and you can keep chasing that guy and you can come out with the 1200 horsepower motor, right?

And then and then and then right and they're gonna right compensate

So it's just back and forth and back and forth

So how far do you want to take it now?

with all those kind of let's say

Financial realities and understandings was it was it a hell of a good time like or hell of a learning curve?

Like tell us about the whole experience. It was very humbling. It was you know

As we increase the horsepower more things start to break, you know

We start breaking differentials and clutches and axles and wheels and I mean everything

it we just kind of

It was going to take a lot more spending

And and and we still weren't at we were five six hundred horsepower now for where we needed to be

So it was it was a total rethink and the sad thing is when we built this Mustang

We actually have a full carbon wide-body c6

aluminum chassis

That we were going to build beforehand and it kind of it got stuck at a certain vendor for two years

And we were waiting and waiting. We didn't build that car and it would have been a better car

It was a lighter car less frontal area. We could run a really big inch and like we were going to run a big cubic inch

big block on a road course and make a thousand wheel without turbos without all those hassles and

Just timing didn't work out. I got stuck at this one

shop that

Had it for longer than we had hoped to so we said to heck with let's go build an s5 50

We know that chassis well

We had one of these and we just took everything off my 2018 Mustang and stuck it on here and then went bonkers and then

Yeah, it worked until it didn't until we pushed it too hard

And then we can't use oem axles or oem differentials or even a Tremac Magnum XL everything started to break and uh

I yeah, it just takes a total rethink and the budgets that unlimited class unlimited budget

That's what you got to be ready for so there's a whole lot of other classes that we can attack that have very

finite budgets

And uh, yeah, let's let's we're gonna attack in 26 season

Well, tell us about these uh, these new platforms

So the two platforms we have our existing cars we had but we just never finished them for one reason or another

my wife's

2013 frs. It's the 86 chassis. It's the miata with a roof. You know, they come with a 200 horsepower

Subaru flat four and the engine's just terrible and it's gigantic so we can fit an ls a cody whatever

We actually make an ls swap kit for that chassis

but

She was like, I don't want a 700 horsepower frs. That's crazy

That would be miserable and you know, she had a Corvette and we had a dark horse

We had a bunch of cars she drove and she goes, I just want my frs back do something fun with that

So we looked at that and we found this Honda v6. It's really lightweight

Of a 3.7 liter. It's called a j37 and they've made tens of millions of them going back 30 years

And the later ones make 300 horsepower and 300 horsepower in a car that normally had 200 that's 50 bump

And the engine's lighter than the four cylinder that came out. So we lost weight. We gained power

We have a new swap kit

And I kind of put it out there and people went nuts and they love it and they're going head over heels

This is a great idea

Ditch the ls everybody's done those to death

And they become a money pit when you really want to start because it's like oh

I could just add a bigger cam and then and then your 600 horsepower and you break everything on the car

So it's much more

Well suited to that chassis

But it's a wide body 3 15s and 3 35 big tires. It's got great suspension. We're a big arrow

Really?

Oh, yeah, we already had that on that car when it had a 2 liter. It was it was a hoot. You just never

Never lifted in the corners

So we're going to take what was already worked and just add

Another 100 120 horsepower to that and it should be quite fun. So that's her car. Well on that one on that one for a minute

Um, so you got three on horsepower. Uh, what's the factory on those again? Was it start out with 200?

Yeah, they make about 165 to the wheels. This should make about 300 to the wheels

So it's almost double, you know, that's that's the goal

Um, and the and the engine fits in there so well because the engine base

Hugely wide because it came with a flat 4 and any

Opposed boxer engine is really inefficient space wise. It's like a 9 11 or any of the supers are huge 32 33 inch wide engines

You know the LS is like, you know 19 inches wide. This is a 20 inch wide engine. It's a

Single overhead cam. So it's really like all aluminum v6. What was it out of what it where those engines come in

they put them in mini vans and honda pilots and

You know, sometimes an Acura

Big sedan, they're just a big torquey

Simple v6 and they made tens of millions

You can import them from japan with a low mileage for

$15-1800 or it's an disposable engine

And we're building it for a class where you can't do anything to the long block internals. It's got to be stock

so that keeps you from spending and

I we joke about this all the time, but uh, jason my head engineer here always reminds me

Remember what roger penske told mark donahue in 1970 pick a class that you can build to the limit of

Don't pick the top class the unlimited budget. Don't build an f1 car from from day one pick

So they went trans-em racing and they dominated because they could afford to do that class to the limit

So that's what we're going back to our roots getting away from the unlimited budget

Super big powerful. I mean people love that but it's it's just

Ruinous fun actually and I can't I could build five cars for what I have in trigger

And all five of those can win their classes and set track records and and help promote our business and help us produce

And test parts and that's what this is really about. So what about the rest of that car?

So you got the 300 up front

Transmission, what do you got to do to that the drive line?

Will it hold up to it? So so the honda v6 that we picked is only used

in transverse

Engines so front-wheel drives

It was also used in the nsx and they actually built the indy car engines around that architecture back in the day

But for the most part there is no transmission that bolts up to that that'll work in a rear engine car

A front engine rear drive. So we machined a giant bell housing adapter out of a huge piece of billet

um, and we used a

Mazda rx8 transmission because the starter being a front-wheel drive engine the starters on the transmission side

So it's a reverse mountain starter

There was very few transmission options and jason made a big spreadsheet and it came down to three

It's like this is only what makes sense can handle the power the second generation rx8

So we have this big adapter. It's kind of convoluted. It could turn into a product we sell

Again, people are super excited about this and and the same product could work in an rx8 because the rotaries and those are pretty terrible

Um, but yeah, we we think it's a disposable

Very easy to get plentiful engine that makes I mean 300 horsepower in a 2,500 pound car that won't be terrible

It's like a miata with you know, triple the power of miata

Well speaking of miata with that drive line also working on miata, right and you got that going through a

manual

Mazda transmission

It does people make swaps for the miatas. It's a little bit different

But yeah, this this could work in it's such a compact engine

Because it's not a dual overhead cam engine. It's a single overhead cam engine

It's still got four valves per cylinder and v-tech and all that

Hu-ha, but it'll fit in anything. It's a tiny tiny engine

It's lighter than the four cylinder that came out 307 pounds soaking wet with everything

So it's lighter than an ls considerably

And weight is something that really does matter so much that I need to be

Cognizant of that and everything we do

How much how much lighter is that front end than trigger? It'll be a thousand pounds lighter than trigger thousand literally a thousand

That's half a car half a light car. Yeah, right

We had all carbon and gutted it and

Caged it and we just could not get triggered under 3400. This will be 24 2500 pounds

That's just a big difference. It won't be as fast as that car

But it'll be a lot more manageable. It is six speed manual. So you still have to shift it still have three pedals

And people are just super psyched about that one and then our other car, of course

Which we can talk about after the break is a is a bmw with a

Very cool bmw v8. How much money is that build compared to you? You know a

LS swap build tiny

I mean the ls has gotten so expensive so hard to get gm quit selling blocks

You can't get an ls one ls two ls three block

So your junkyard diving and you're having to do builds because everything's wore out

Yeah, this this engine cost about a tenth of what you'd spend in a typical ls swap

Just for the engine because they're so plentiful and nobody uses them because it's transverse

It's hard to swap and anything else we fixed that took some engineering took some doing but yeah

It makes it a lot more viable engine candidate

So I've only gotten in that platform a couple times but when it came out, you know, I thought man, this would make a great

That small car big engine ls swap kind of car and I thought I remember you mentioning

At some point maybe a couple years back that not

The platform is a little underwhelming

But is that just because when you try to get too big

Try to go too hard with it, but you're staying in the sweet spot per se

Yeah, so we've made an ls swap kit for the 86 chassis in 2015

We've been making them for more than 10 years and every time I drive on the like this is going to break the axles

This is going to break this is you know, we're worried about the driveline in our in our bmw swaps like the e36

Like will he has or e30?

You can swap in a good bmw axle that you really can beat on to 500 plus wheel horsepower

That doesn't exist in the in the little you know brz and frs chassis. It's just it's a smaller

You know the they call it the r180 differential. It's from an old dot something like the 70s

It's just not super strong and then to upgrade all that you're spending thousands and thousands and thousands and making it less of a

86 it becomes something else and then

You've changed the whole character of the car. That's what we're trying not to do this. It's within the envelope

All right, so it sounds like you have kind of you stayed within the reasonable bounds. You've hit the sweet spot

So have you got this one running driving tracking? It's really close

Work with link ecu. They're coming by tomorrow to finalize the the plug-and-play wiring harness for that

We should have the tuner within like two weeks. We're really close

We're excited to get that on track, but this engine is a popular swap in s2000s and those guys just love it

They just beat the crap out of these things

And it's not a 9000 rpm like the s2000 engine

It's a 7000 rpm engine and it's plentiful and cheap and light and torquey it makes

Real torque so it just it's a more pleasurable driving experience than that little anemic two liter that these came with

Way cool, man

man, I'm looking forward to following up on right how the thing really

Feels right. What's the fun factor? How fast does it go relative to the class, right? Yeah, I am too and

Unfortunately, she and I are going to be in the same class in two different cars

So that's going to be a bit of a challenge

I don't know how you're gonna do that. Oh man. Oh man. Yeah, I may be sleeping

Sometimes you think to yourself man, I wish my wife was doing the same stuff as me

And sometimes you're thinking oh that was this is probably a really bad idea

It was just dumb luck that the two builds we picked ended up in the same class

She'll be at a much lighter weight than me because I'll have a four liter v8. She'll have a 3.7 liter

So yeah, yeah, I know right she

We co-drive a lot and we're pretty even on winds

She's got a lot more national championships than me and in autocross and

Tom for all she said a lot of track records too. So it could be a very humbling. She might skirt me

I mean, I might

I might

Tom trial nationals for scca is in our hometown in our home track this year

So we're gonna be in front of everybody and if she whips me there, I'm never gonna live that down

I feel there's some some good bets that we're gonna hear about

From that one for sure. Oh, yeah, but real quick before we hold on before we hit the break

Is there any other things you're allowed to significantly mod in that class?

Can you do any arrow? Like, you know, what's the basic suspension damper?

Yeah, the the suspension is pretty unlimited and we'll have remote mcs doubles on that on both cars

Triples on mine. Um, you can do pretty much any brake any iron brake

They have no tire width limit. So we have maxed it out on both cars

But it's 200 tread wear so that keeps it all kind of contained and and we'll run the same set of tires all season

We did that last season in her wide body

95 and 3 and it was a really big cost savings compared to trigger

Which just chewed up consumables rotors pads tires

Clutches, yeah, everything so we it saves us a lot of money and lets us focus on what we're good at

We can do arrow

Moderate like I said moderate arrow six inch splitter eight square foot wing and we'll maximize those things

To the top of the class awesome. Okay

We're all about following this one. We like take us out, man. We'll come back and jump on this bmw and a bmw

What how about that? What is that all about?

All right, the the kids car makes a uh makes a racing breed

Out of the borsal team. We're on that in a second terry fair kevin bird will be we're back after the break

It is the two guys garage podcast. He's kevin bird on will be we have reported terry on from borsal motor sports

Now a lot of people in the bmw world know

Borsal motor sports because for so many years you guys made everything they need to do all kinds of

Upgrades castor camber plates

LS swaps like terry you were you were the man in that world for all things bmw

Uh, and now

Dude, you're you're not ls swapping a bmw. Uh, you're doing something different with your bmw

Tell us what you're doing with a bmw. I mean, it's it's it's hard to do this

I mean we started our ls swap in 2000

I mean the engine had barely been out and we put the ls in an e 36 first one on planet earth to do it

We've sold hundreds and hundreds of kits for nine different chassis

But we had two problems one the ls engine started to really get hard to get

Um, and the lt is just different enough that everything needs to change

Um gm quit selling the blocks they during the pandemic. They've turned off a bunch of things

Um, and then we had a lot of credit card fraud people

And it was almost exclusively ls swap parts our headers our expensive big ticket items

We'd ship them the parts they'd say they never got it and they'd steal the parts and get their money back

And until I find a better way to sell that stuff we kind of turned everything off and it's not

Because we can't make it is because I'm tired of getting robbed so

So we took a break from the ls swap thing uh with with this honda swap

And then we looked at the same class. We're like, you know, we can do this

We can run in the same class at a slightly higher weight. She'll be at 2700 pounds of driver

But at 3000 pounds of driver we can do a four and a half liter engine from any car on planet earth as long as it's a factory

Car could be european could be japanese

And so we started looking at engines. We're like, oh we can up to a you know, four and a half liter

We couldn't find anything a four and a half liter, but the four liter engine from the o8 to 13 bmw e 92 m3

It is a 8400 rpm eight throttle body

high revving

414 horsepower engine

And it came with a six speed manual and it came with a seven speed dual clutch sequential transmission from the factory

I've wanted to do one of these bmw dct swaps behind an ls for years and the the

Logistics of making that work in a non bmw with a non bmw computer is a nightmare

There's all these like yeah, you got to buy this thing from these guys in poland and get this thing from russia

Going in wiring. It was a bunch of mess

And when you drive one of these d92 and threes are really nice

I mean, it's like

And you kevin you've probably driven an e 46 with an smg, you know, that was the kind of really clunky early 2000s

Mechanical shifter. Yeah, there's a lot of people converting those to manuals. Oh god

It's a it's a popular market because the smg was so bad

The dcts which are still in, you know, a lot of the porches the pdk's the the corvette c8

The gt 500 every time I drive one of those cars like I have to get a dct in my life. This is amazing

You know, you know 50 millisecond shifts and it and it thinks for you. It's like, okay, he's slowing down

I'm going to engage the other

You know input shaft because there's two transmissions inside

There's like first third fifth gear and second fourth and sixth gear and it'll pre-engage

It has synchros and everything and pre-engage the next gear like he's slowing down. He's in third

I'm going to pre-engage second and the computer says no, you can't downshift right now. You can over over the edge

Okay, now you can so it it keeps you from screwing up and it makes you look like a freaking f1 driver

It's amazing. Wait, am I hearing you correctly? Are you racing bmw stuff in a bmw car?

Yeah, a sacrilege. I know he's racing bmw stuff in a bmw car

What happened to terry? What happened to the guy? I know right invasion of the body snatchers

I've always liked that technology

I just never had a reason to use a smaller displacement engine until

The class rules drove was there and nobody thought of this

So I asked the man who began the lswap movement in bmw's is now saying hold up

We should race a bmw and a bmw

I'm not the bmw crowd. What is going on 25 years and now they're they're cheering me on so

I needed that affirmation. Well, let me ask you something like

All right, so you've got the what that's like a

E90 e92 power plant, right exactly going in a e46

So what was wrong with the e90?

Platform to just leave it in there versus the 46 heavy heavy heavy. That's a 3600 pound car. That's most dang weight

Our car was going to weight 2,500 pounds were done. So we have thousand pounds. What's the difference when they're stock like

Yeah, what's the stock weight? So the the e46 they weigh about three 3,100 pounds

the e92 weighs about

3,600 pounds, but they still bring they were a 70,000 car

15 years ago, they still bring money. I saw one selling bring a trailer for 65 grand yesterday

so they bring the money

Because it's a really good package

They had their f1

bmw was an f1 at the time they made a v8 and a v10

They put the v10 and the m5 and the v8 and the m3 and they were super popular

And I was like, oh, this is great

They went away from the inline 6 and the next generation like oh going back to inline 6 and we're just going to throw turbos at it

And it just doesn't have the same character. Does it sound the same when you're just revving this thing out to

8400 rpm and just grab the paddle and it's just a bam bam. It's just something

Visceral that I can't explain. It's not

A gazillion horsepower. It's 414 horsepower. It's not the end or but in a 2,500 pound bmw

It's got a rip. It's gonna rip now. I got to run ballast

I got to run it at 3,000 pounds with me in it

But we can put 300 pounds of ballast in that car and really good places behind me on the floor

And and make a package for this very moderate class of the five max classes in timetag

We're in max four the second slowest class

And I think we're gonna punch above our weight and and with national championships here at eagles canyon

Ultimate track car challenges here in october

We're gonna have a big

You know country-wide stage at our home track with two kind of ringer cars. I hope

And I was worried people like they're never gonna allow you to run that they didn't mean to the rules

And I asked the rules makers like nope. You're the first one to figure it out

You're the first one to swap that engine. We built that class

With up to a four and a half liter and we were hoping somebody would do the

four liter dct swap and you're the first one to do it so

We're excited to kind of come up with something different something new and not be like every other

Shade tree ls swap because that but with youtube and everybody's doing an l swap. They've done it to death

This is something that's refined and just

Going to be kind of a bleeding edge of this class and i'm excited about that and it's not going to cost a bunch of money

And it works

Yeah

Is an interesting point in time because right terry is like one of the leader guys in ls swaps 20 plus years ago

now

Is terry going to be the leading guy of

Right

E 90 v8 swaps. I don't know man for the next 20 years. I mean they they didn't make a ton of these cars

I think they made like 60,000 cars globally. So there's not a ton of these out there

But I mean I found this engine on ebay and was across town. It was $4,000 and that seems like a lot

See, that's the crazy but that's a $20,000 engine from bmw. Uh, and it's very

That's just everything about it. It's really unique. Just doesn't share anything with any other bmw engine the v8 and the v10

They're very the f1 team came up with this thing and it's just

It just screams when you hear this thing uncorked at 8400. Oh my god, it sounds amazing

Um and trigger, you know, we revved it to 8,000 all the time and it sounded cool, too

But that's a $40,000 engine. This is a $4,000 engine that if I break I'll just go buy another one

I'll throw it in the creek and go get another one

Is that a pretty common price like if you pop this one you think you know the one in that four or six grand range

They're usually six to eight grand. Okay. I bought the cheapest one on ebay

Yeah, there's all sorts of stuff in that

Bad projects just shove them. I shove them all my dead projects over there. Put them under Parker

Well, look man, that sounds like a

Budget banger dude a car that yeah, you know

Find and start putting that combination together and start actually having some fun doing some things that you know surprisingly is uh

Is not so

Mean to the wallet. Exactly bust on the budget if you will the e46 chassis, too. They make four million of them there

You can I bought this car for a hundred dollars

$100 I bought this whole chassis. What and because it was just like nobody wanted it. It didn't have a title

It didn't have an engine. It was just a junk car

So, um, yeah, we bought this car cheap

We already had it caged where we're going to use it for an endurance build that just didn't go anywhere

And it was sitting there

We're going to put this this s65 v8 in this dct and my wife's e36 m3

And we're looking at like man, this was a really nice build and we have to throw away a lot of work

To to do this drivetrain swap and I walked in my lobby right behind me behind this driving simulator

There was this e46 sitting there. I'm like

I took brad and and jason my two, you know longest employees. It's like hey before we because we're pulling the engine out of the e36

Two months ago in mid mid december

And I was like, what if we put it in this car and they both said, oh hell, yeah, and they said, you know more

Uh curse words than that, but they're like, that's a great idea. It's caged

It'll be lighter. We have a carbon hood roof trunk doors

I mean, we have all the carbon and and we stole some parts from another car and so we have this crazy

Flossman wide-body kit and it'll look like a factory dtm race car. They built and they ran it in lemontu

Uh an ams series called the e46 gtr and they put a v8

From the mid 2000s. It was out of a seven series or something

They built a kind of crazy v8 made like 500 horsepower and they had this wide-body gtr

So everybody that played need for speed and all these games. They recognized that car and like oh, you're building the gtr

I'm like, you know, I kind of guess we are

So we kind of stumbled upon a very popular

Race car video game had a lot of throwbacks to 20 years ago and it was the pinnacle of bmw racing

And we're just going to do it with a junkyard motor and a much more modern engine or modern more modern dct transmission

And big arrow and big tires and you know 12 inch wide wheels all around

It's going to be a wild car that we built for a fraction

What we built for that crazy Mustang

Again, both of these builds my fox that we've got

All of them combined don't make a dent in what we spend and trigger trying to go unlimited crazy

Well, I think most people that get out in in competition

Kind of learn that it's really about the competition

You know, it's if everybody's going whatever

Two seconds faster on a lap and spending another 20 grand a year or whatever the number is like

It doesn't get that much more fun. You're still just competing against the guy right on the side of your door here

You know, yeah

It's a big ego trip to be the fastest time of day ftd. Oh, it was all proud about

We take trigger out ftd ftd. We're always the fastest car there until

The million dollar car comes out or the guy with a new ca zero one comes out and he's got slicks on and you're just

Going to stop money can always buy speed

And infinite money can buy infinitely more speed and talent

So I just ran out of like I gotta be I gotta be sensible and live within

Build within our means and then play to our strengths because we can maximize the arrow and suspension and tires

better than most

And have an engine that's disposable and not get hung up and blow our budget on the engine

Do you hear the guys over at hp tuners along with tony? I forgot his last name broken to the uh,

the corvette

Uh, it started tuning. They got a tune for the corvette now added added a 100. Yeah, they just announced it yesterday

They added a hundred horsepower

On a tune bro with no bolt on no nothing

100 horsepower just over 100 horsepower on a tune

Was it the zr1 or the yeah the zr1? Oh, yeah

Yeah, those things are nuts, man, but you can't touch one for under 250 and who's gonna crash one and I would tear it up

Right. I'd be

Z51 I think they're a

Performance bargain

And we've sold a lot of triple adjustable shocks for those and it wakes those cars up because the factory magna ride's really pretty bad

Every time I drive I'm like, god, how did they release this? This is awful

And we put coilover zone and they become like a dream and they ride better and they they're faster

But that's an 80,000 car minimum and I'm like, you know, I can build a lot of

hoopties for

And and really make a

Yeah, exactly and win races

Hey, how do people follow these bills? Follow what you're doing and and get this is the great part

We haven't really emphasized this as much as we have on other podcasts with terry

but

All of this trial and error all of this rnd all of this

Time that he spends and not just increasing the horsepower but performance numbers aro suspensions

He he turns around and makes packages for us on this end to buy as consumers and and purists of the sport for normal cars

So all of the normal cars that most of you probably own not cobbled together and frankenstein and wild ass, you know, like

Yeah, then pick a platform. He's got a headache some builds

He he fixes those and finds you resolved

So if you have questions concerns need to build an idea obviously some engineered

They probably have something to work for you man. He's fantastic at that and as you can tell by his bills, man

He's willing to do anything

Yeah

We've got an indy car in here right now that somebody gave us like man

This is this is beyond what we really are capable of doing but anything shy of f1, you know, we'll we'll attack it

We'll we'll try and yeah, we do a lot of just everyday cars

Miata's s2000s corvettes

You know everything subarus mustangs chimera

You name it

We've probably got a package for it from one of three monotube shock companies and and we make our top mounts that fit everything

So, yeah, there you go, man. And how do people follow you and find you bro?

easiest is facebook

slash

facebook.com slash vorsch log or our instagram is vorsch log motorsports

Our youtube page

I post

We've had a forum up for 25 years and I have forum posts going back that far that millions of views

So yeah, if you come to the vorsch log page and you'll find all of our socials all of our our blog our

Forums everything is there and we share multiple times today

Hey, and and if you just need some good laughs you guys

I follow his social page and it's not just cars

He had a meme up the other day that I cracked me up said your car shuts off

Uh at lights for the environment mine shuts off because I do the wiring myself. We're not the same

Yeah, uh

Yeah, man

He's got he's funny to follow vorsch log motorsports. Hey, don't forget about following us

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Yeah, don't forget guys our website two guys garage.com our socials everywhere at two guys garage

Nice, man. That's what I love about terry man

You know most people like think real hard and they pick a car

And then they get a couple bolt-ons

terry's like man, that's too easy. That's too easy

I like this on this one

I like this on that one. I like that on that one and then let me see if I can put it all together

and then i'm gonna mix it all up and do my magic and then

I'll let it go. I love the david gilius scenarios like this unlimited class is crazy. It's nuts, man

It's and it's gotten out of hand. It's the spending has just gotten out of control

It's dude. It's that way to every every race drag racing is the same every type of racing

Yeah, man same same thing

If we can just treat the engine as a disposable product that we don't get hung up on

Um, and you know, we can do intake and exhaust and we're we're good at that kind of fabrication stuff

And we have a good tuner, but it's that building the engines and all that. That's just gets so

There's just unlimited expensive. Yeah, you could spend off $4,000 on custom crank and six grand on the custom block and you know

It just it just starts getting nuts. Well, thank goodness. There are fun zones for the rest of us that aren't billionaires

So keep keep coming up with these recipes terry always appreciate you coming on man always a blast

Hope you guys enjoyed it follow back because we're gonna have terry on for more updates

In the meantime, you guys take care. We'll catch you on the next two guys garage podcast

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About this episode

Track-day obsession meets budget reality as Kevin Bird and Willie B talk time attack with Terry Fair from Vorslog Motorsports. They break down why unlimited-class racing turns into “lap times vs dollar signs,” including Terry’s humbling seasons chasing 1,500-hp cars and the cascade of failures (differentials, clutches, axles). The conversation pivots to smarter rule-bound builds: Terry’s Honda J37 swap for an 86/FRS platform and a BMW V8 DCT swap in an E46, both aimed at staying within class limits while maximizing tires, aero, and suspension. Expect lots of practical lessons, swap logistics, and fun “what if” engineering.

1,500 horsepower turbo cars 2,500 pound car 300 horsepower 3 15s and 3 35 big tires 8400 rpm aero all-aluminum V6 auto cross axle ballast

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Original notes

As Willie B puts it, "Unlimited class is just a polite way of saying let's turn a lot of money into a lot of noise." Terry Fair of Vorshlag Motorsports wholeheartedly agrees, joining Willie and Kevin to explain why he’s walking away from the ruinous costs of the high-horsepower arms race. From a $100 junk chassis to a "disposable" engine strategy, Terry breaks down his new 2026 playbook—including a new build that is literally 1,000 pounds lighter than his previous Mustang, "Trigger." It's a master class in weight reduction, smart engineering, and finding the fun factor again by building to the limit of a class rather than the limit of your wallet.

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