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Today could be the first episode of the fifth season and also the very last episode of the

podcast altogether. Dude, we've got the guardrails are off. Phil is not in attendance.

Yeah, you might not have noticed that. And we've opened the phone lines.

Full transparency. Phil doesn't even know that we're doing this right now.

And none of us are PR trends. So this is going to be...

Ellie is an enabler. He looks for the content.

We got to introduce everybody to Ellie. So this is the man behind the scenes.

Ellie worked hard on something and Phil didn't think it was appropriate to release it.

I want you to know to the public. He's a better friend to you than you are to him.

Because... What are some of the non-negotiable behaviors or qualities that you guys look for

and the people that you surround yourself with? Also, you know, with the people that you guys are

hiring them to sort of live with, they're like, you know, almost roommates. It's like getting married

the amount of time that you spend when you're building cars. And you cannot be able to be

offended. But being full-blown offended and then reacting a certain way because you're offended.

But if you're offended and you're going to act a certain way or if something rubbed you the wrong

way, doesn't it be offended? If something rubbed you the wrong way or you didn't, you dislike

something. If you're too easily offended and then you don't have the conversations when somebody

pisses you off. Yeah, Josh tends to be long-winded. But basically what he's saying is just don't hire.

That's it. That's simple. It's 100%. I tried to... I wanted to say that so many times.

I've always said you guys need to do what's on your wrist.

Well, Phil's not here and Phil's are all fake.

I don't know who this is, but we'll just be back.

Who we got next? Oh, son of a bitch. Wow, what's up, boys?

He's in my grief. I can't hear him. We've got a technical delay.

That's a mistake. Yeah.

Trent Lewis is next.

Welcome back. Another episode of Oil and Whiskey. I brought Welcome Back back.

Got off of it for a little bit. It's not really another episode. It's a new episode.

It's the episode. This is an episode. This is season five, episode one.

We're at it. Somebody's phone's going.

Man, season one. It gets close to Phil and then it screws everything up.

I know. It becomes obnoxious. Even the vibration.

It was that's the loudest vibration I've ever heard.

Let's just forget about that. A terrible way to open this.

Terrible way. We were talking about this the other day.

I think we lost a year or two because it did not seem...

It doesn't seem like four years. This is the start of the fifth year.

I definitely lost two years. It was a Bryson we were talking about.

We were talking to somebody that was inquiring about how many episodes we've done.

Maybe it was Levi. We've broke 200 episodes in four years.

Yeah. It doesn't seem like that.

Which is a good thing because it's still a bit funny.

What do we have to show for a ton of empty bottles of liquor and liver damage?

And we've met some really cool people.

We've had some fun and some great conversations.

It's been a blast, man. I've really enjoyed doing it.

Looking forward to the new season.

Yeah. So we wanted to kick the new season off a couple of different ways.

One, we wanted to take a little bit of time and reflect on this great last year we've had.

And then looking to the future, we're going to do something new.

Today could be the first episode of the fifth season and also the very last episode of the

podcast altogether, depending on how today goes because we've opened it up to listeners to call in.

Yeah. Dude, we've got the guardrails are off.

Phil is not in attendance.

Yeah. You might not have noticed that.

And we've opened the phone line.

So it is just, dude, it's like we've taken the restrictor plate off.

Yeah. In full, full transparency.

Phil doesn't even know that we're doing this right now.

And none of us are PR trained.

So this is going to be a fucking start of a train wreck.

I'm expecting him to burst in any moment.

I mean, like, what are you guys doing?

What happened to Phil?

Phil's not here.

Yeah. Not here.

And it's unfortunate.

Dude, I actually got the news of what exactly happened.

And it's not good.

You know, we had that meniscus thing going on his knee.

And then, you know, the pickleball deal, obviously,

he's getting better and better.

It's getting more and more competitive.

Thought that they were eliminated.

He's in New York actually competing.

He's going to kill you.

He had the shot of a lifetime.

And then I guess what happened.

My mom actually told me about this.

She sent text me a video.

Phil went up and did one of those, you know, that like ESPN thing that.

Yeah. He did like the.

And he came down, came down and just hyper extended the knee.

Really?

Yeah. And it's he's out for gone.

I think that's he's hanging it up.

No more pickleball for Phil.

He doesn't need to be.

Rollers are a thing of the past.

And yeah, no Phil tonight.

Well, we're going to miss him.

But I don't know if we're going to, if we would have the freedom to do

what we think we'll be able to do today.

If if the the smarter, more responsible one is in the room.

That's why we replaced him with Elliot.

Yeah, he's an enabler.

He's looking, he looks, he looks for the content.

We got to introduce everybody to Elliot.

So this is the man behind the scenes, the one this.

I was thinking about this coming on.

This could go one of two ways for you.

So I think it'll go well.

Yeah, I know.

But it could go two ways.

Everybody's going to realize now that there's.

This is the talent behind the podcast, right?

So this is like, oh, now it makes sense.

Or the group of people, they're like, that podcast sucks in his shit.

Then you're going to be like, all right, well, that means so he's the one that.

Yeah, it's definitely not the host.

It's got to be the way it's produced in reality.

In reality, Ellie is the one that makes us look.

And this is going to.

We don't look that good.

But imagine what it would be like if it wasn't for Ellie.

If it were just like a webcam that was just rolling, this would be bad.

It'd be bad.

Yeah.

How long so when we generally record.

We give you about six to seven hours worth of raw footage, right?

Because of how many takes we have to do.

And then you have to go through and you cleaned it up well.

Yeah, I mean, truthfully, it's not that difficult.

You guys do a great job.

He's earning that Christmas bonus.

But on the on the media side, having you here is great, dude.

Everybody talks about the RS media.

There was a clear jump in the quality.

And what are we going on?

We're over two years now, three years.

Wow, it's been four.

Well, that tracks with me thinking I'm only I only do the podcast for two years.

So I've I'm yeah, I'm way off base there.

But clearly, there was a huge step up in our game media wise.

And everybody took notice.

And you're the guy that made that happen, man.

You all those cool little driving videos that, like Josh said,

they'd usually be not palatable and probably not watchable.

But you do a great job of making me look halfway decent in those.

And you do a great job of you do a little bit of a

accentuation on the lines that you know are going to get some some trouble.

Some good some good comments on YouTube.

It's like a it's just like a half zoom in on the face when he's

And another thing about long beds, oh, here we go.

That's going to get some content.

Good to have you, man.

Appreciate it.

Appreciate everything you've done.

Yeah, really good job.

You've done an amazing job on the media side.

Amazing job on the podcast side.

And you definitely make us look better than we really are, which is not great.

Um, this year has been this last year, past year.

It's a new year.

This past year has been another banger year,

another banger year for the podcast.

I would say that last year was the best year to date for the podcast for

the amount of guests of the quality quality of the guests.

I do think that people are learning to like, uh, what do you mean?

Um, as much as the ones that come on and say, oh, I've never listened to an episode,

you know, and then they also like under, they know all the questions that are coming.

They're, they're getting more and more comfortable, even ones that we haven't had on before.

Um, I think that's because they've watched enough and realized that it's not like that big of a

deal.

So there's no, there's no stigma there, but it's the conversations have gotten just better and better.

Um, I think, I think for sure, uh, just attraction, being more aware of the podcast,

people being more aware, but also you got to give yourself some credit because you have gotten

way better at interviewing people and getting people comfortable.

I appreciate that.

It's not easy, especially for guys in this particular industry.

It's, it's about the only thing that I'll compliment you on dude, like in your entire career.

Clip it.

You are good at this.

Well, I appreciate it.

It's, it's your fucking calling.

I mean, not a lot of other things do you excel at or really anything for that matter that I

can think of, but nothing like a, nothing like a Jeremy Gerber compliment.

I'm telling you what, that's, we're going to isolate.

We're focusing in on like, it's one strong compliment.

One strong compliment.

Yeah.

We don't need to dilute it with, oh, you know, and you're also like a great little carpenter

and you fabricate so well.

And it's just keep it on track.

So it's, you shine at this man.

Oh, I appreciate it.

It's been, it's been a lot of fun.

I think we've all gotten a lot better and a lot more comfortable.

It is, it's unique, like you said, in this industry and, and finding, it's difficult.

Everybody has got, you know, preconceived notions coming in.

They want to present themselves rightfully so in the best manner.

And that's great.

We want to do that.

But we also, we want to, we want to have some conversations.

We want to get to the feeling side of things or the mental side of things and that everybody

goes through.

It's a, you can listen to all kinds of podcasts for, you know, buzzwords and, and business,

you know, you know, 10 minute podcast of, you know, do this and you'll be successful in business.

This is this industry in itself and the people in it are a little more nuanced than that.

And there's a people at all different stages of life in this industry listening.

And it's, I think it's important to get through some of that stuff.

But it's a journey.

You got to like get a dig for it every single time.

Life's garden.

Dig it.

That's what they say.

Podcasts been great.

Some great episodes.

If you had to guess, I'm going to ask both of you guys, if you were to pick one right now,

top of your head.

Yeah.

This last year, your most enjoyable conversation that we had, we can run through some of them too.

Dude, that's tough.

I know it's tough.

Again, that's going to offend at least one person.

No, it hasn't had to be the best podcast, but there's conversations that you leave that

you're like, man, that's, that's more than I thought it's had more fun.

There weren't any bad ones.

I'd say we had some amazing guests.

Some of them were like, here you guys, you're looking through.

Like Michael Good, PRI president.

We had never met him before.

He's a guy in a pretty high position.

So you go into that, you really don't know what to expect.

Those are the kind of ones that are maybe a little like intimidating, you know?

Right.

But sitting down and talking to him, that was awesome.

Like such a, I mean, an incredibly sharp guy, super down to earth,

had fun doing that when I, I wouldn't have thought that it would have been like a lot

there to unpack, right?

Yeah.

But there was, it was in these.

It's cool when it's a cool car guy too.

You know, and he kind of gets all the different sides that have been in the industry for a while.

God, look at all those, man.

Craig's stories were the best too.

Craig was awesome.

Matt Trost was awesome.

Craig, we had to get him out of his shell.

We had to crack him a little bit.

It took a little digging in the beginning.

Slow, slow roll, but unbelievable, man.

Yeah.

There's been some, there's been some good ones.

The remote episodes were rad.

Yeah.

That was fun.

DJ Russell was good.

He's, I think he might win in the cop story.

Uh, he, it's always going to be hard to beat Tim Palazzola.

The attempted murder, like going, like getting a frame for.

Yeah.

But yeah, he had a good one.

We definitely, we were on the fast track with the designers.

I mean, we had.

Had a lot of designers.

Yeah.

We had the head designer from GM.

We had the head designer from Stellantis, Dodge Mopar.

We had the head designer from Ford.

At all different times in their, in their careers.

Head designer from the Roadster shop wanted to do it, but I think he.

We got to make that happen.

I told him, I shot him out a hundred times before people demanded he be on the spot.

He's getting, he needs to be on.

Let's start a campaign, a marketing campaign to force him.

Him and Mike are the two guys that we're going to force to do it.

A great episode.

Chris Gray and Michael Bryan on the podcast.

It's coming this year.

You've heard it first.

A little, little tidbit about Tom Peters.

When he was here, uh, that's like the idol for me.

Two chicken shit to go and say.

Were you really?

I don't know what it was.

It was just like star struck.

I couldn't muster up the courage to go say hello.

What was your, um, you've had to listen to every single one, um, unfortunately for you,

but which one sticks out for you?

Fun, exciting, insightful, whatever reason.

Probably the Craig Metros one.

I mean, the four GT stories were awesome to hear.

I mean, that was the most gripping from start to finish while I was editing.

We just scratched the surface too.

There's so much more to get into.

So many other cars.

I mean, the new Bronco launch.

There's so many other things in which he's going to come back out and do it again.

That's some of those ones you just have so much information.

What was the one that required the most editing?

Benny.

That was the most off the rails.

That was easy.

He answered that like that.

That is burned a hole in my brain.

That was a long one, wasn't it?

It was.

It was a long one.

And then we didn't even, that wasn't even the end of the night.

The night carried on after that.

We went to dinner.

That's right.

And then back to your place, right?

Yeah.

That was a, that was a rally.

It was.

It was a fun night.

Yeah.

For you guys.

Oh yeah.

Because you had to turn and burn that one too, didn't you?

Yes.

It was less than a week and it was the most amount of that editing in the entirety of the

four seasons.

And not a single, you know, that was a long episode.

And he did not a single shout out of his own shop.

He's a terrible marketer.

That's why he's got Eden.

She tried to do a better job.

That was the takeaway from that entire episode is that Vinny is not a marketer.

Yeah.

Never once mentioned his shop or anything.

Well, he, in full transparency, he had told me for months prior leading up to it.

The only reason I'm doing it is because you're asking me and just be forewarned,

I'm not talking about car stuff and I'm not even talking about my shop.

We're just going to tell fun stories.

And that's the only thing I'm planning on doing.

I was like, well, dude, you probably need to talk more about your shop and stuff.

It's kind of the point.

And but at the same time, I mean, I respect, he's like,

if you want me to do something, you'll find me.

Yeah.

That's his brand.

It works.

It is.

Fun time.

Nothing will still.

This wasn't this year, but the one that still is burned in my memory that we have to give him

a second chance is Zack at Z-Rots.

That's the only person we've broke.

We've had some drunk ones, but that's the only person that we broke.

And he needs another shot to redeem himself.

All right.

This season.

It was a great episode.

It's a very good.

It was good.

He's an interesting guy that's got a lot of talent, building a lot of unique things.

So I think in a like a sober sort of mind, I think he'd have a lot to contribute about

what he does and how he does it.

There's something something coming from from their shop here in just a few short weeks as

well that everybody will be probably be awed by.

So it might be timely to have him right after something such as that round to set it up.

Yeah, let's do it.

Roadster shop wise, big year as well.

What what stands out that was some bangers from the Roadster shop this year?

Man, a lot.

It's again, just like looking back at the podcast.

You sort of forget you're so at least I am.

I'm always so focused on like just not dwelling on that thing that you just

accomplished, but onto the next thing.

So it's kind of tough.

But like chassis wise, I mean, entering into some of that later model stuff,

the Fox body and more recently, the third gen Camaros.

That was a big accomplishment, I think for RS.

I mean, it definitely took the absolutely took the

I apologize.

I didn't realize I'm going to start playing right when I turned it on.

Took the chassis engineering sort of the next level.

I think it's showing our progression that we continue to get better, continue to sort

of change things up and we're not following the same recipe of just kind of duplicating

what was and just checking the box for new models.

Everything's getting a lot better and sort of behind the scenes.

There's a lot of integration and new components in all those chassis that anything that

I mean, you and I are pretty aligned on this that isn't a hundred percent perfect.

You're always going to find things that come up just a little bit short.

Yeah.

Sometimes you're just your handcuffed, you're constrained to what's available.

Taking that extra step to make every aspect of that chassis as good as it can be.

I think was a major undertaking in 2025.

And you're going to sort of see a lot of that stuff roll out in 26, which.

It's been it's been a huge, huge, I guess, like guiding star

over the probably the past year and a half was kind of internally.

We changed the I don't know if we change the mentality, but we're a little bit more open-minded

to it.

We're probably a little bit more mature.

We've probably seen how the market's going.

There's used to be this is the way it needed to be done and this is the stance that need to be

done for the looks, blah, blah, if you can't figure out how to do your fab side of things.

And maybe you shouldn't be doing this anyway.

Not saying that, but that was kind of some of the thought is like, well, this takes a lot of

work.

This takes a lot of fab.

And the mentality of make it a little bit easy, make it harder on us on the front side on the

engineering design, definitely harder on the fab shop side to build it, but faster to completion

for a shop or a homeowner and offering some more of those solutions for that all in one package.

Be able to bolt that in.

It's definitely been a shift of like.

Been a big shift.

I think the place that the industry is at right now allows us to do that, which I love it because

sort of gone are the days of having to show off every single fabricated part that you've done

like in a gallery on Instagram, that every trans tunnel had to be a masterpiece.

Every package tray had to be.

If you're building floors, you've got to just totally disregard the hours put in it and only

focus on making them as cool as you possibly can.

Seems like the industry's sort of caught on to that.

Like we want to drive well built, well engineered, nice cars that the the enjoyment is more so in

the driving experience and having a completed car and getting there quicker than it is just

looking at cool shit on Instagram, which it has allowed us to sort of manufacture more things

that we can crank out firewall panels, trans tunnels, wheel tubs, floor kits, complete floor

kits is something that we've really scaled on perimeter chassis and it's nice stuff.

It's, you know, but it's very well by no means does that mean that the quality is less than

right?

I want to make sure that people understand there's a fine.

There's there's not a fine line.

There's a huge difference in a very well fabricated, TIG welded, metal finished,

you know, package tray to wheel tub integration and stuff like that.

That's done well, done in a timely manner, taking, being aware of the customer's budget

and making sure that it's structurally sound and it looks good and it's the,

we would put our stamp of approval.

There's that.

Then there's the completely hand fabricated package tray with the tank rolled countersunk

six by nines hand bucked rivets and it's like, I get it.

Like that is, that's, that's quality.

That's talent.

That's, that's awesome.

But to what end if the, unless the customer said, let's go all out, show off, show me what

you can do on, you know, on the package tray, show me what you can do on the underside of the

truck.

Sometimes, like you said, is for so long, it was just showing off to your peers at the

expense of a customer and that's, those days are gone.

Yeah, I think that's, I mean, in large industries heading in the right direction,

we're heading in the right direction in regards to that and it's, that's been good.

But I want to ask you something about the, the chassis.

Sure.

The Fox body chassis, you know, we talked about for a while before that.

I mean, probably six, seven years about the Fox body, you know, and when and how and like,

ooh, probably not or maybe and all that.

And then I know you were studying one and you're like, yep, I think I got some ideas

and you and Mike sat down and knocked something out.

Wild success was fucking amazing.

The, the engineering challenges that presented themselves and the solutions that those

challenges presented to the public.

I think we're amazing.

Everybody's seen how awesome that is.

Fox body's taken off for selling a shit ton of them.

I think that we're just scratching the surface of that.

Coming off of that third gen.

You're like, yep, absolutely.

Makes sense.

Next progression.

The level of challenges that you guy, you and Mike overcame with the Fox body.

How much confidence did that give you in the third gen?

And then once you started digging into the third gen and realized how different in the animal,

because there was a time of like, oh yeah, third gen is going to happen.

Not a big deal.

I know we looked at some stuff.

Oh yeah, we can do this, this and this.

And then it was like a little bit of radio silence for a while, like in the lab.

Yeah.

And I want to know like, well, we already said it could be done.

We got to do it.

So the progression on that's interesting because if you look back, like I wrote it off.

We made, we built it as a perimeter frame, cut the whole floor up perimeter frame for a long time.

Physically impossible.

So we, we did the first one of them.

I mean, probably five, six years ago and just knowing we scanned the car and everything.

And back then, I mean, I looked at it, Mike looked at it.

There was no way there's, it is physically impossible to put a bolt on chassis on it.

Now fast forward, we get through the Fox body and Lance, our customer,

he was sort of poking at me that he's got one.

Him and his son have a third gen and they want to do a chassis under it.

And I just kind of like kept him at bay until the time was right.

And then I said, send the current and we'll do it.

So to your point, like going into confidence level,

you already said you were going to do more, more like your comp.

This is more Josh confidence going into this is like, this was like Connor McGregor walking

into the like, you know, I fucking got this like piece of cake, right?

Uh, scanned it.

The reality is it was a tough one.

I mean, not a piece of cake, not a piece of cake.

Both Mike and I scratched our head quite a bit.

I mean, Mike's the talent behind this.

No question about it, but I pushed the hell out of him, right?

Cause I know he can, he can get there.

We can get there.

It's like you start, you always start off getting into those things and you instantly

are ready to make concessions.

Like, dude, it's just like the existing arms not going to work.

The knuckle assembly is not going to work.

So like here's where we're at.

We got to cut this.

And I think just being as soon as you click, you decide to clean sheet some of that stuff,

then it opens the floodgates.

So well, if we're going to make that, then we could do it this and solve this problem.

I think the two of us both sort of, you know, challenge each other and bounce ideas off of

each other and these things, they just sort of like, you know, they snowball, they evolve.

And you realize that what you started with and what you finished with are two totally

different animals.

What you started with was something that would probably be like two weeks of cutting.

And it's like, you're quick to throw in the towel to say, just, just yard the front rails out

because then we could do this.

And what you've, and you're, you're sort of focusing on processes, right?

Cause you're thinking like, we don't want to deviate from the existing spec.

We have jigs.

We have people that are well versed in making this.

There's a control arm jig.

The part that we don't, we don't want a whole new bill of materials.

I'm really good at saying, fuck that and throwing that stuff out the door.

Yeah, you are, you're great.

Mike is sometimes more conscious of that and reluctant to do so.

The finished product's always better when you throw that out the door.

Yeah.

And we clean sheeted it and that thing just evolved and we got there.

And it's, I mean, what he did on it's amazing.

And the finished product, it, it's absolutely, I'm, I'm super proud of it.

It's made me an absolute believer in those cars.

It's a car that again, never been a fan of that car personally.

Like I'm not going to say that harshly.

No, no, no.

Like disrespectfully it, that car just never really appealed to me.

You walk out on the shop floor right now and you see that car sitting on the chassis

with that new forge line wheel that we designed.

It's fucking badass.

Like the way those tires fit and tuck right in there, it looks super high in.

You look at things and you just, you see that it's like,

you know, that's got bolt on air.

So you know, it's got like this bolt on kit and seeing that it's a bonus.

It's a build now car that it's a high and almost exotic looking piece that just looks so bitching.

So I think a couple of vehicles need to be built to kind of see that stuff.

But I think more importantly, the, for whatever reason, the Fox body chassis was like

understood more, like instantly understood where it was like very limited explanation

needed to go in, which was surprising because I thought that it was going to have to be

significant more explanation of like this, this, this and this.

But it was instant of like, Oh, I get it.

You did this and you did this and this and everybody just it flooded

with with very limited detailed explanation.

The Camaro is the other way around.

I think there's there's still a lot of explanation that I think needs to be done for the for the

history for everybody to understand.

Historically, look at that.

That's the way it generally is.

But the Fox body is long than one of the most modified vehicles, like probably of all times.

More real intimate knowledge with them.

Then and there's parts that exist.

There's aftermarket stuff that's been around for a long time.

The Camaro has been a tough one.

Like it's a hurdle for a lot of stuff.

You can even put exhaust on one, let alone headers exhaust anything.

Like they're a challenge.

So I don't think as many people have modified them to that level.

Like you look, there's a lot of Fox bodies out there that are.

Every dirt race car, drag car, six figure cars, you know, deep into the six figures for like drag

car stuff and coyote swaps, twin turbos.

I mean, guys have been there's been six speeds and, you know, 10 R 80s in them for a while.

They've been playing with for a while.

Not exactly changing the game there.

Makes a lot of sense.

So I think that's the biggest difference between the two.

We knew I knew at least going into it that that third gen.

I hate to use the word ahead of its time because there's been guys out there doing stuff.

But that car just hasn't arrived yet, but it will trend.

It's coming.

I think there's some cars coming this year that's going to change that.

And I mean, everybody's looking for the next.

We talk about building more cars and you want to talk about what's coming this year.

Yeah.

What do you got shaking?

You got something in the works, right?

Oh, yeah, that's that'll be talked about.

Okay.

Yeah.

So it's top secret.

Right, right.

Right this second.

It's top secret.

It's coming.

We got a couple of things that are top secret, but they're coming.

That's a that's a teaser, if you will.

Stay tuned.

There'll be lots of breaking news coming.

So this is we're just recapping.

We're not talking about the bad.

No, this is this is yeah.

We'll recap that.

Yeah, it's looking back.

This is all shit that's happened.

This is all that has happened.

It's happened.

This would be the section.

Like when I fire up Landman, this is the recap.

Skip the recap button.

Yeah, but don't don't.

Yeah, but don't skip the recap.

We don't want to give him anything.

Oh, we can.

We can.

It's all right.

It would be a time to launch.

What do we got?

We got people in the hot rod shop.

We can talk anything about.

There's a whole hot rod shop here that sort of we're good.

We're going to get that's where I was.

Yeah.

So where you're going?

How many people we got in the two, four, five people are waiting.

All right.

We got some time to talk about the hot rod shop.

One of the big things in the hot rod shop that we just finished up was.

The Blue C 10.

Right.

Which specifically comes into play about the new core ECU from HP tuners.

Absolutely.

Right.

Yep.

So the core ECU, we have long been chatting with HP tuners for a while.

Before we knew anything about it, we just knew of it and simply knew that it was a

sexy looking little box, right?

It was a nice looking ECU.

And if it was coming from HP tuners,

it must have the good shit on the inside that needs to have.

Sort of had the allure of like, what is this?

It's got to be awesome.

Hasn't been a lot of standalone options for our industry out there.

So we hooked up with them.

Again, we talk all the time.

We got a great relationship with those guys right down the street.

And that core ECU, it just puts together a total package that's got amazing traction control,

all designed in the USA, right here in Buffalo Grove, Illinois.

15 minutes from our shop.

Supports everything GM.

I mean, it supports, it really supports anything.

If you're doing anything outside of the GM platform, even exotic stuff.

You're just going to keep pumping that.

I don't know why it does that.

We've got a great project that's extra cylinders.

More than eight that's coming down the pipeline and HP tuners is going to support that through

their core ECU.

Is it more than 10?

It is more than 10.

It's more than 10 and less than 16.

Okay.

But they handle everything from the wiring harnesses.

Products still sort of in the early stages, but it's all out there.

It is.

It's about their running vehicles.

We integrated into that C10, worked with HP's team on dyno tuning.

We've got Tyler's this part all up to speed on it.

A lot of other tuners out there getting up to speed.

It's becoming more and more mainstream and all in all a great success and really made

that truck what it is.

So moving forward, looking forward to more and more integrations of that core ECU at HP.

Basically, for the less detailed, less knowledgeable than yourself,

this is basically the GM air quotes of ECU that everybody's long wished that that ECU would have

done this, would have done this, would have done this, that they had to look at other

aftermarket solutions to be able to do that some of the things weren't up to GM OE standards.

This bridges that gap.

This is surpassing GM OE standards on the hardware and allowing you to do some really

custom trick things that, I mean, let's face it, just five, six, seven years ago would have been

like pie in the sky dreams.

I mean, we've done countless survivor builds all with GM ECUs through HP tuners,

but you sort of reach a limitation of what you can do with them.

So as you start getting more and more horsepower,

you're more and more throttle buttons,

getting more speeds in the transmission, more exotic things in that motor on the intake side

and everything, you just reach the limitations of what a GM ECU is going to do for you and

what you can sort of mess with.

And that's exactly what the core ECU does just next level, man.

Awesome.

On the hot rod shop side of things, lots of cars built and being built.

Have been built and are still being built.

Bangers this year.

First thing that pops your head.

Bangers.

Most fun.

Bangers this year that have been completed.

I don't care.

The C10's one of the most fun to drive, right?

That step side 60.

Got some videos on the on the YouTube about thing was the ultimate Uber.

Thousand horsepower.

Just a heck of a lot of fun.

The cord 37 cord, I personally love the car.

Just loved everything that went into it.

That was a killer video, really good video.

Again, all earlier, you know,

You just, I don't believe you would do the fedora.

We slid that one in.

We're getting ready to deliver it.

So he should have done the fedora.

It was like with two minutes notice, we jumped in.

All those fedoras you own and you couldn't have grabbed one.

That would have been more of a cap than a fedora.

Don't you think?

Yeah.

I mean, yeah, I like that.

It's Dick Tracy era.

Dick Tracy wore fedora.

I thought of like a tuxedo t-shirt or something.

Well, just, yeah, I watch a lot like Jonathan Ward,

who builds a great product, does a lot of good videos.

He's got, you know, I like, I like what he does.

The wool five piece suit.

He's a little more eccentric than me.

Like he sort of accessorizes himself with each car.

I think it's just not me and I just, I don't know.

If there ever was a car, it should have been that one.

Yeah.

And I sort of dropped the ball on it.

Yeah, you did.

Cord, great.

C10, amazing.

Some of the good videos.

But car wise, so several survivor legends trucks went out.

A lot of blazers.

A lot of K5s.

And those are like, that's funny if you stop and think

about how many of those came through the shop,

went to the customer or driving all over the place.

Without like your general five years ago,

cars being completed, you know, it's going to a show.

It runs the thing and it's, you know, it's with,

you can't paint it and then now the car's gone.

Like they just, they get built.

They get test drove and they get shipped to the customer

and you sometimes forget about, oh, that was this year.

Oh yeah, we built that one.

Oh yeah, that one's built.

And they're just driving them like daily drivers.

Yeah, they're just piling the miles on.

But I think a lot of 25 was sort of gearing up for 26.

There's some really cool stuff.

A lot of cool stuff.

Crossing the finish line now.

Another legend K20.

Curcab.

Yeah.

Duramax diesel truck.

Just what's the name of that one?

I don't know yet.

That's the last thing that we've got to do is name it.

And that's the hardest part of building a vehicle

is putting a name on it.

Yeah.

But it's like the patina one we did, the same platform.

A few things have changed.

It's just taken to the next level.

More refined, completely painted, all the trims plated.

It's sort of your Denali version of that truck.

And that one's not too far from the finish line.

Killer Fox body that's following that up.

And then not that it will be done in 26,

but a big push here in 26 is this sort of

semi-top secret multi-cylinder project that's powered

by the HP tuners core ECU.

That's got a lot of other really cool things in it.

So keep your eye out once we turn that from

engineering files and solid works models to metal.

To real things.

We'll start pumping it out there.

We've got some enthusiastic, I hope, listeners, fans.

Either enthusiastic or pissed off.

Who do you think?

There's going to be an Australian dude on there somewhere

that's not going to be happy with you.

I can guarantee that.

Out of, at the end of the day, we'll do a tally.

How many people, who gets more shots thrown at them?

Me or you?

You.

Absolutely you.

Why do you say that?

You're the, everyone knows you're the meanest one on here.

How would I get shots?

Because I think most of these people are in my corner,

to be honest.

Okay.

Did get some hate on the biggie comment.

Oh, you got it for me too.

You got it from Chris also.

Chris was not fucking happy with that.

That's honestly probably one of the worst things you've said

in the four years.

You enabled that too.

That was a joint.

I'm a biggie fan.

Dude, I didn't know.

I didn't know.

Biggie sucks.

I stand by my statement.

Oh my goodness.

People will start reaching out.

No, I still listen.

I'm not a hip hop guy.

Me neither.

Maybe that might have been where I enabled it.

I'm not a hip hop guy, but if I am listening to it,

that's probably my number one.

And you listen to it now.

It's coming from a guy that doesn't like hip hop.

That doesn't mean anything.

It's bad.

Listen to the, listen to the lyrics and like it's just verse

today versus two versus two pox lyrics of the same era.

I'm not disrespecting you.

I'm not saying two pox bad.

Two pox was way better than biggie in all aspects.

Equal.

You're a diddy guy, aren't you?

No, that's fucking Netflix documentary is amazing.

By the way, he's really good.

He killed everybody.

Did he's responsible for everything for the last 25 years.

Said by Josh Henning in the roaster shop right here

in Mundelein, Illinois.

He's 775 North Route 83.

He's coming after me.

He's suing 50 cent for $2 billion right now.

Who do we have up first?

Who's up first?

Who do you want to let in first?

Everybody was kind of in at the same time.

Okay.

Well, you just pick one.

Let's go to whoever.

Let's go.

You're the, you're the.

This is Paulston Nelson.

Paulston Nelson.

Hey, what's up, dude?

Hey, buddy.

Good, man.

How are you doing?

What's going on?

Doing pretty good.

Uh, yeah.

And it's dirty, man.

I've been sanding on a truck all morning.

So I'm coming to you live from green's rod shop makeshift studio.

Right on.

Get the man to get somebody to mark it down and get the man new hat.

He's working in that.

He needs in that.

He needs a new roaster shop.

Yeah.

I'll, uh, I'll definitely, uh, I, uh, I'll wear it out.

Thank y'all for letting me come on.

At what, what shop did you say?

I missed it.

Green, green's rod shop in Callahan, Florida.

Green's rod shop, Callahan, Florida.

Yes, Florida.

Yep.

These old guys, this is an old guy shop, man.

I'm going to get these guys on an Instagram.

We're going to make a Facebook there.

We're putting together an 86 square body short bed bag.

It's going to be super nice.

And, um, we're going to get them an Instagram and some,

some social media pretty soon, man.

Awesome.

Well, dude, get that rolling right now to just sort of tag it on with the

incredible success you're going to have from this podcast.

Oh yeah.

That's gonna, that would, uh, yeah.

So I own a air conditioning business by trade.

And, uh, in the middle of winter in North Florida, when it's 69 degrees outside.

Um, I've been coming up here to this hot rod shop since I was 17 years old,

and they put me to work.

And, um, now it's kind of turned into me and the owner, good buddies.

And we decided to try to build this truck together.

There's a lot of me learning and a lot of him showing me things,

but it's very cool, man.

Well, that's awesome, man.

I'm glad you, uh, glad you've been able to jump on and, uh, and join us for,

for a few minutes.

What's, uh, what brought you on?

What's the question?

What do you want to ask us today?

All right.

So I've, I've hit, uh, Jeremy with this and with you this.

I don't know if you may remember this.

I've always said you guys need to do what's, what's on your wrist.

Oh, okay.

I'm that guy.

I, I want to know because I've seen, I've seen Jeremy, uh, have some cool pieces

fill.

And then if I noticed Josh, you, you've been, uh, you, you, uh,

Triple Crown had a pretty cool piece on there.

So, I mean, we build, well, I say we, you guys build, you know,

half a million plus more cars and you show them off.

I'd like to see, you know, what's on your wrist and what's your favorite piece.

Well, Phil's not here and, uh, Phil's are all fake.

That's what I was going with.

You'd be amazed what you could get off of, of a, when you do chat GPT and say,

what's the most realistic replica?

Can we do the over here?

Yeah, we can do the over here.

Well, yank the sucker off too, because so this is like my daily driver, um, is the,

I mean, it's a, it's a Rolex, the, what are they called that?

The bluesy, right?

Yep.

Rolex sub.

Submaner.

Yeah.

The bluesy.

Yep.

That's my grail piece.

So this never comes.

If you look at the abuse, like the back of this thing's just absolutely panterid.

I mean, it's, I just beat the shit out of it.

But, uh, if you got it, you might as well.

I mean, I literally never comes off my wrist unless I'm changing it up, which I seldom do.

But you got to hold, you got to hold it up a little bit so they can get up a little,

just a little bit more like that.

Get it up there like that.

Just like that.

Josh got the bigger, batter, heavier duty deal.

I got the, uh, the Rollastore, uh, Sea-Dweller.

So the, uh, the Sea-Dweller's a great piece.

I had an Air King, the 116 900 Air King.

I beat it the pieces for a year and then after COVID it was worth more than I paid for it.

So I sold it and, uh, now it's an Apple watch until, uh, I get the call.

I don't know if you guys, do you guys go to the AD or do you buy them after the market?

I had a little bit of both.

Just depends on who you are.

I get it.

Yeah.

Well, no, you, you mean,

yeah, you've got a,

after you've gone into and making, uh, I'm not, I'm not a, uh, uh, near at the level that

Phil and Jeremy are.

But when you make, um, when you've been hunting and looking for a while and you've forgotten

places that you've put names and numbers in, sometimes, uh, opportunities arise at the

worst, uh, opportunities, but you're like, Oh, damn.

Yeah.

They call it.

So it's there.

I can go get it.

Oh, yeah.

That was two years ago.

Shit.

I forgot about that right now.

That'd be me right now at Christmas.

They'd be like, you know what?

It's ready.

And I'd be like, Oh, great.

With no money in the bank in December.

Great.

Yeah.

So yeah, totally cool.

Funny story about my first nice watch I ever got was, uh, my grandfather's, uh, Datejust.

So it was Datejust Rolex and he wore it for probably 30 years.

When he passed away, uh, I inherited the watch and like every once I put something on it just

stays on.

So I was wearing it and just working fabricating every day, assembling a car, 32 Roadster with

a tune port street and performance, uh, chromed out.

Oh yeah.

This is easy for your hand.

Mark Campbell special.

And I'll tell you what you don't want to do is arc the band of one of those at the clasp

out against the back of an alternator stud.

Oh.

Because it will weld it shut on your wrist.

And then while it's hot, still stuck to the alternator, it starts heating it up red hot

and then melts all the skin off your wrist and it's trapped.

It's welded shut on your wrist.

That was probably the worst experience.

You welded yourself a hot bracelet.

So yeah, be careful wearing one to work.

That's awesome.

Yeah, that's terrible.

But uh, yeah.

And if you ever showed it to anybody, they'd be like, what happened here?

Yeah, it's got a big, I just pulled it out of the case the other day.

I got a big old like melted.

It's a battle scar.

Mark on the back of it.

Yeah.

That's a story.

Gotcha.

Well, that's cool, man.

I've been wanting to, I've been wanting to bring that one up for a while.

I, I, I noticed a lot of the guys, um, I won't mention names, but you walk around the show

and you look, there's a lot of guys that wear high end watches and, um, it's, it's not a

really a status thing.

It's more of a, just like good quality pieces, things just like the cars they build.

It's like anything else.

I mean, it's cheaper than a snap on toolbox.

If you want something high in equality and you're into mechanical stuff, dude,

there's a lot of guys that'll spend more money at the bar over the course of a year

and then have something negative to say about you wearing, you know, a Rolex.

So yeah, it's all in your priorities, right?

Yeah, you hate, you hate, I mean, the noticing thing, but I mean, I, years and years ago,

I made it a point, you know, you have some dreams and things you want to check off

and I made them as a few watches.

There's my, it's milestone.

It's a milestone thing.

So you set those milestones in your mind, wherever that milestone might be.

And then, uh, you say this is the goal and then, uh, you set a reward for that goal.

So if you can get to that goal, then you set yourself a reward and you make it happen.

Love that.

Yeah, I love it.

That's, that's awesome.

When we finish this truck, uh, my reward is going to be, I don't know, maybe a slurpee

or something.

It'll be great.

What's your holy grail of timepieces?

What's the one?

Um, if, if, if I had, I mean, truthfully, affordably, uh, is the bluesy 100%.

Um, I mean, my dad's not even a watch guy and he sees it and he's like, that's sweet.

You know, it's, it's a bluesy.

Um, I'm, I've put in for just a standard, um, sub date, uh, but, you know, who knows

when that's going to get here.

If, if it was just, uh, you know, no holds barred, uh, I would, I would probably say

a, a paddock, um, paddocks pretty nice.

Um, or, uh, yeah, probably a paddock for sure.

Um, gold, gold, um, I was able to actually try one on at the mall, a millennia or whatever

that is out there in Texas, um, in the Tiffany store.

The guy let me put it on.

It was like a half a meal.

He just smiled, not smiled and the big security guard smiled.

Then he just, I just handed the watch back.

You know, it was pretty cool.

We've been there.

One of our standard, uh, pre SEMA moves is that we usually have that Monday off.

We get in, we set up Monday is a day for the boys.

So we cruise around and we go to all the watch places in Vegas.

And as we walk through, I mean, I'm a watch enthusiast, but there's a lot that I just

don't know.

So I might be looking at a watch and I don't know if it's 5,000 bucks or 500,000 bucks.

And I usually don't say much, but there was a particular that Ulysses.

Yeah, the freak.

Then I, it just caught my eye.

So I actually went out of my way to ask the sales guy.

I said, Hey man, what, what does one of those go for?

And, uh, it was like 75,000 bucks.

That one, well, yeah, special edition.

And I just gave him the like, Oh, yeah.

That's not that bad for all that.

All right, thanks.

That's box handpapers.

I tell you what, Panerai is really cool.

They're not super expensive.

There's a guy who had a TV show one time that's older.

That is a really cool guy that, uh, at, uh, I believe at the Triple Crown,

I noticed he had a Panerai on.

It was really cool.

It was really nice.

It was an older one.

If you ever see it, you know, look at a Panerai.

They're, they're really cool watches.

They're made, I think they were like the, uh, European navy seal

background or something.

So super cool.

Well, what's, what's your holy grail?

Uh, you know, I don't like anything that's excessively flashy.

I'm just like a traditional watch guy like that GMT kind of style, you know.

So I don't know.

To me, it sort of always stays in the Rolex line.

You know, maybe the, the all gold sky-dweller at this point is pretty

much to me the baddest thing out there.

But you want the Jubilee.

Yeah.

I want the all gold oyster flex.

I get an all gold sky-dweller with an oyster flex.

That's the, that's cool.

The, the day dates are really cool.

When you said all gold on Jubilee, the all gold 40 millimeter day date on Jubilee is

that's another piece.

It's like really, really cool.

It'd take a bad motherfucker to wear one of those.

Yeah.

I would, if you, if you buy it, I'll wear it.

I am that guy.

I won't wear it.

You can read between the lines on which bad motherfucker probably has that

watch that you just talked about.

What about you?

No doubt.

I think ultimate, ultimate.

If I ever made it, made it, probably a Daytona.

Oh yeah.

Look, look all gold.

Panda.

Nice.

Yeah.

Panda.

Paul Newman's pretty cool too.

The, I like that, the aquanaut, the protect, the, but that's a lot of money for a

stainless and OD green watch.

I think it's badass.

Yeah.

That's cool.

But it's, it's a, that's up there for.

Phil's missing out on this one.

Phil's a watch guy.

Because he actually was just texting me.

Phil must have had a few cocktails in him and was having a good time.

He's in New York.

We busted his balls, but he was sending me the Sky Dweller.

He was at some store in New York, assuming his family was doing something he wasn't

interested in and went off on his own.

Sky Dweller rose gold with the black rubber band and like the titanium face.

And as you hit, it was bad ass.

Bad ass.

Yeah.

I was trying to push him.

I'm like, dude, just get it.

Just do it.

Yeah.

And if you, and if you can get it, get your hands on it.

You know, it's kind of one of those deals you, you look back and go, man,

I wish I would have done that.

Like I wish I wouldn't have sold my Air King.

My Air King was.

Air King's cool watch.

And, and, and the biggest thing is that's why I want an air conditioning business.

So anytime anybody ever asked, I was just like, oh yeah,

they give these the best AC guys in Florida.

Air King, baby.

Well, Halston, I appreciate it.

It's been a fucking blast, man.

Next show you're at.

Come by, introduce yourself, say hi.

We'll have a beer together.

Absolutely.

Yeah, man.

Thank y'all.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Take care.

Have a great one.

All right.

You too.

Who do we have up next, Elia?

You.

Q Brown.

Let's go.

Celebrity.

Oh, he's MIA.

Q Brown.

He said.

Paging Brown.

I'm not waiting for these guys.

Dang.

It's all right.

Maybe send him.

You got anybody in the chat?

His, his somebody since.

Nobody's in the chat.

I see a chat.

Tight fellas.

Nobody responded.

We can let.

And this might be trouble,

but we'll let someone else in

while we wait for Cuba.

That's fine.

No problem.

Austin and Eliza or Elizabeth.

Austin and Elizabeth.

Hello.

You don't see Elizabeth.

Come on.

Just botched it, dude.

It's called.

Look at this is tugging on

Josh's heart.

Can you guys go horizontal for us?

Is that possible?

We're on a network.

I don't know what to do.

We'll just turn our heads.

We'll probably need to minimize

a quit and just stand by.

Can you?

Yeah, right there.

Support in that work.

There she is.

There it is.

Oh, look at that.

Look at that.

We knew Josh had a frenzy,

so we had to have them on.

Yeah.

I got, I got two little

hellraisers at the house.

Well, how are you guys doing?

Good.

How are you guys?

Good.

Good to meet you.

Yeah.

Nice to meet you too.

What are you drinking?

We actually met.

I'm fixing my volume here.

We met Josh at SEMA a couple of years ago.

And we actually sent you guys

some whiskey for Christmas.

The, uh, the Mike Rowe stuff

in the Litchfield distillery.

The noble, the Nobel.

Yeah.

That stuff's amazing.

Well, thank you.

Really, really good, right?

Yeah.

It was very surprised.

Cool.

So glad you guys could jump on here

and in the middle of your busy Monday

that I'm sure you got better things to be doing.

So we appreciate you jumping on.

Well, you know, we were waiting for a little while,

so we started,

started parking out in a couple of back.

What's in the background?

What do we got, the Impala?

Yeah.

It's a 62 Impala.

Nice.

Yeah.

That's pretty true.

Thanks.

That's actually going down to Kissimmee

in a few weeks down in the,

at the Meepham auction.

Sweet.

Awesome.

Well, good luck on that.

So what, what brought you on today,

besides bringing the,

one of the cutest Frenchies I've seen

in the last seven, seven hours?

He is pretty cute.

Yeah.

That's Marley.

We have been big fans of the Roadster Shop

for years and love the podcast.

I appreciate it.

We've had a lot of fun doing it

and a lot of great conversations

and a lot of, we've actually,

we're not the most,

we don't have the largest friend group,

I would say.

That's a small, yeah.

It's a, I'd say we wouldn't have the.

It's a small tight-nip.

It's a small, but a tight-nip.

But we have actually made some,

some very meaningful friendships

from the podcast.

So it's a, it is, it has been good.

It's funny, right?

You get to realize it's kind of a smaller

knit group.

Like there's a lot of us,

but not a lot of us.

The best, the weirdest part is when you

are in a group of about six or seven

of like-minded individuals

and all of you are

generally, generally socially awkward or

and you're all like, we all don't like people.

I'm like, well, they're sick.

I don't like, I don't like you guys that much.

I just dislike you less.

And they all, when, when everybody agrees,

you're like, all right, yeah,

let's just all hate everybody else together.

Exactly.

Well, is it the people that hate together?

Yeah, those, those that hate together stay together.

Hey, that's, that's a great piece of advice.

So what's the, what's the question for today?

I don't have a question actually.

I kind of had like a somewhat of a statement.

Okay.

In all the podcasts and all the years,

the movie car, or the car movie,

yep, I can't believe it's never been brought up.

It's definitely a car movie.

If you think about it, my cousin Vinny.

Oh, it's a really deep car movie.

It's like a big convertible or something.

And what she, that's it.

Marissa Tomay's character is that's the biggest.

Yeah.

The famous court scene is when she has to testify.

And they're, you know, obviously this woman

doesn't know anything about cars, blah, blah.

And that's the trick question.

And they didn't make a, you know, that motor in 64.

And it wouldn't have been a posse because, you know,

think that's right.

So yeah, some very detailed stuff.

That's a great, a great one.

Right.

What was the actual car in that movie?

Pontiac Tempest.

Oh, the one that was driving in.

Yeah.

It's Pontiac Tempest.

Well, it's had independent suspension.

Yeah.

It was like, that's a, that is, that's actually a really good

man.

I was, my wife doesn't.

That's a great movie.

My wife has always had, like, it's a weird,

she's always given me the most shit about having a thing

for Marissa Tomei.

Like back in the day, always be like, oh man,

I can make comments about a lot of other women, nothing.

But whatever it was, like, she's like, I don't know,

you got a thing for her, don't you?

I was like, yeah, it's obvious that I do.

I've said that a hundred times.

Like what's the big, yeah, that was probably 25 years ago

that she's aged a little bit.

Because of the car knowledge.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's because of the car knowledge, for sure.

I just, something about the accent was so different

from anything that I've ever been around or whatever.

Yeah, the accent is, it's like, oddly attractive.

It is.

Yeah, New York.

We're from the Northeast, so we're used to it.

Ah, yeah.

Okay.

So what do you guys do?

Is it a hot rod shop?

Are you building cars, flipping cars?

What, what's your?

Yeah, so I actually, this will be our 19th year in business.

I sold my shop a couple of years ago.

We had a somewhat large operation and now it's just the two of us.

We're kind of working out of our house, garage,

pole barn that we built.

North country restorations is the shop.

Cool.

And how do you like that change your pace?

From going from having employees to just being by myself out here all day.

It's, it's nice.

And having a second walk to work.

Yeah, yeah.

The commute is basically over there through the door, so.

Yeah, good for you.

That's living the dream.

Is it easy to stay motivated when your shop is directly in your backyard or do you find,

I've always found that I need to like go somewhere to work.

Is that, is that tough or?

You know what it is?

Yeah, I'm pretty motivated to begin with.

I kind of always been a workaholic.

Late nights.

Yeah, a lot of late nights, you know, but.

Like in the summertime, it's hard.

If it's a real nice day outside, I might blow off on a Tuesday and go play.

But then on a rainy day, a Sunday or something, I'll just work in the shop.

So I kind of make up for it.

But play is on the machines or doing some type of yard.

You know, we got, we got 40, we got 40 acres up here.

So I'll hop on my dozer or excavator and go mess around out back.

So it sounds like you got it figured out.

That is absolutely the dream.

Good for you.

It's the dream.

Yeah, thank you guys.

If you guys ever need anything, let us know if the next show we're at.

Like, let's.

Cross paths.

Yeah, let's hang out.

We'd love to.

Yeah, for sure.

Yeah.

And Jeremy, do you watch Tulsa King by any chance?

I do.

Yeah.

Josh, what's, uh, what's Bert up to these days?

Sleeping.

You're going to hang up?

Oh, I appreciate it.

It's a spin.

Cheers, man.

Damn it.

We love you guys.

Merry Christmas.

Oh, Merry Christmas.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

Thank you for having us.

Absolutely.

Take care, guys.

That one actually got me speechless.

There's not really much to say.

Nothing.

That's a win for me.

All right, ready?

All right, we're ready.

Cody Langalir.

Cody, what's up, dude?

Hey, guys.

What's going on?

Hey, guys, how you doing?

Good, man, how are you?

Hey, not much, uh, not a whole lot.

I got a, I got a little bit of a bone to pick with you guys.

Oh, okay, I'm sure Jeremy did.

If I, if I would quote you guys, I believe the term was

untold riches for the Excel spreadsheet provided of all the favorite movies.

Oh, I didn't realize they'd actually be untold.

It's going to hold you to it.

Yeah, that's the, that's the, that's the whole thing about untold riches there to never be told.

It's like Josh's vocabulary.

No, I think that was you.

I didn't take it literally.

So yeah, that's, I guess that's my bad.

We need to take care of Cody.

You're going to, we have, we have an in person, uh, producer now.

So you can like remember these things, right?

We'll take care of it.

We'll take care of Cody.

So what do you got?

No worries, no worries, guys.

I just busting your balls a little bit.

So, uh, no, I just wanted to say, uh, uh, you know, I'm a hobbyist.

I'm not in the industry, like a lot of your guests are, and I really appreciate the content

you guys put up because it's extremely inspirational for me.

I'm getting into this, I'll say game a little bit late in life in my late thirties.

And, uh, it's a lot of fun to just get out in the garage, learn new things.

And I've discovered a lot of different builders and builds and all kinds of stuff from

listening to your guys podcast.

So I really appreciate that.

First off, thanks.

Yeah, I, I think that is, that's one of the best takeaways of this whole thing is that

you're getting some guys to really lower their guard, some really professional guys that

you would never really hear these behind the scenes stories.

And it makes it sort of, you come to the realization that this is obtainable.

This isn't some, you know, it's not, it's not like necessarily watching the major leagues that

you simply can't do it and probably won't ever be able to do it.

We can, we can all do this.

It's, uh, and you learn the behind the scenes stuff.

It's, it's been cool for me, you know, as well, even being a professional

sort of car builder, just to hear it all.

It, it definitely makes you, uh, realize how not professional any of us are.

That we're, you know what I'm saying?

Different way of saying it.

Yeah.

It's just like, we're all, we're all fumbling through the same things.

No, but it makes it really accessible, which I think is the cool thing.

And so, you know, for me, um, I was really into cars at a young age and when life kind

of happens, you know, you get busy and you get into your later thirties, you start to

have some expendable income and, uh, that's when I decided I was going to build my grandfather's

truck.

So about two years back, I started a YouTube channel, um, wanted to really show what the

average guy can do in the garage.

Like somebody would know fabrication skills from start, uh, to, to now, you know, and two

years later, I've finished a truck actually back in October.

I got actually finished.

I got to drive it for the first time, uh, and it's just a really satisfying, incredible feeling.

And, uh, so I guess what I wanted to ask you guys, one of the things I wanted to ask you

is, you know, as someone who is coming to this really late, who has very limited fabrication

skills like I can run a welder, I've got a bead roller, uh, what would you say?

Like at that level, what's the next step?

Like what is the next most valuable skill or technique that you could learn, uh, to really

advance your skills?

Uh, you know, I would, I would answer that two ways because for me, I've, I've learned

a lot of skills.

I've been around a lot of people.

I mean, I'm pretty decent at doing this, but I've been around a lot of people that are

even better, significantly better than me.

And when you get to that level, doing it at home and building something for yourself,

it almost becomes counterproductive because you, you almost overthink everything or you

have to do it to such a high level that it can take a little bit of the fun out of it.

You know, so I'd say finding that sweet spot of not having to make everything a masterpiece

and overthink everything and taking it to just some astronomical level that's usually not

achievable or takes so much damn time is a nice way of focusing on it.

I, I would say if you're welding and doing it yourself, I'm assuming you're probably

mig welding, right?

We got a delay here.

Yep. Yeah, I do have a TIG welder.

I'm just learning how to TIG weld though and you guys know that's a process.

So I would say without getting crazy and saying, well, you got to learn how to shape metal and

you got to build a body from scratch.

You got to learn how to run a CNC machine.

Spend a lot of time behind the hood with the TIG and get comfortable with it and sort of

make that your primary tool for welding and mig's great.

It's got its place, but sort of master the art of TIG welding and use it on sheet metal and,

you know, any of your heavier gauge bracket fabrication and try not to take it too seriously

and get get too carried away with it is what I would say.

Yeah, I would add to that the two things.

Very, well, first one probably sounds kind of stupid, but very simplistic.

Try and visualize the finished product or whatever you're thinking about first,

whether it's the individual bracket or the whatever the part piece project's going to be.

And then back a little bit of a, sorry.

Back your back your way out of how you're going to build that versus looking at it is like,

I want to do this piece.

I'm going to weld it this way and not see in the finished product.

If you see the finished product in your mind and then back yourself out through the steps,

sometimes you'll eliminate a few steps or realize the things that you can do differently to get

that vision.

The other part of it is only practice or hone a skill on something that you're about to need to do.

So don't just sit down and be like, I'm just going to learn fabricating or I'm just going to

be a better welder.

Pick the thing that you need to build, whether it's the bracket or whatever it is,

and practice all the skills to do that thing and work your way up to that.

Once you do that, you'll be able to accomplish that task instead of just mindlessly practicing

for something that you're not going to use.

Like if you're like, oh man, I really want to use the English wheel.

You could spend all the time using the English wheel.

If you're not going to use that skill in the next six, seven months on that build,

there's no point in wasting the time right now, right?

On a fabrication level too, I'll say this.

This is something that I learned a lot from.

I worked with Chad Glasshagle for years and years.

He taught me a lot.

Something that he didn't necessarily teach me, but I observed him doing that was really helpful

in watching is watching him build things and whether he knows this or would agree with it.

I always saw him make the part that would gap or match to the other part first rather than,

so for example, rather than trying to build a bridge from both sides,

yeah, rather than trying to like shape a hood scoop and just like sort of free handing it and

then trying to go back and tip a flange or get it to fit the hood, build the flange to the hood,

build your flange to the hood.

If you're tucking a bumper rather than sort of building this bumper and then trying to like

make it match something, go ahead and build the sheet metal, build the portion that gaps to it,

and then connect to that.

It's always easier to sort of build those gaps, build those bridges, and then connect to them.

And that's huge in fabrication.

You see that shit all the time in machining stuff too.

It's like we're going to, we're going to fabricate this and now let's machine the left and right.

No, it's machine that, it's just like building a bridge on both sides of a river.

Build half of it and then start at the half you just finished and build the other side because

you can land on the other side of the river easier than you can start on the other side of the river

and land at that bridge.

Oh, that's great.

That makes a lot of sense.

So I, that's a different perspective than the way I've thought about things before.

And I really like that, you know, just thinking about the process and not, not starting from

the end and trying to go backwards, but no, that's good.

I appreciate that, guys.

For sure.

Well, Cody, I really, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I guess, I guess last question.

Yeah, go ahead.

No, go ahead.

No, that was it.

If you got another question, go ahead.

Oh, okay.

I was just going to say, you know, I do like to say that I'm kind of like just the average guy out in

the garage, but every time I'm out doing something, I do try to get better at what I'm doing, right?

Trying to improve on things, try to challenge myself.

Um, my last, my truck build was a frame off build took me two years, a ton of rust repair,

a ton of stuff.

There's a lot of stuff I'd never done before.

Sheet, a lot of sheet metal patch repair, that type of stuff.

You know, I've kind of set my and looking at my next build going to the next step.

I am actually considering building my own chassis, which anyone who watches what you

guys do knows that you guys are the experts and the industry leaders in that area.

Any advice or good resources for chassis design or suspension design, as far as books or

videos or something that could help in that process.

Are you, you're looking to clean slate it, build the suspension from scratch as well?

Uh, for the most part, I'm still working on a design and I'm torn between doing the suspension

from scratch and using some commonly available components because this is going to be a truck

that's driven and the more custom it is, the harder parts are to give for it.

So I want something that can be serviceable and get on the road, but I want to do as much of it

myself as I can.

Well, I'm going to ask, I'm going to answer that question with a question.

Um, just like we talked about on fabrication, starting from the thing that you just finished to

the next thing, um, instead of starting on both ends and trying to meet in the middle, what's,

why, I'm going to ask you the question.

If you want to build your own chassis, why do you want to build, what, what are you trying

to solve?

Is it a financial problem?

Is it because you want to do it because you want to challenge yourself?

Is there a stance or motor or something that doesn't exist that you're trying to,

why do you want to build your own chassis?

Um, so it's a number of reasons.

One is the number, I'd say the biggest is the challenge.

Um, I am a person that likes to challenge myself and, um, I have a hard time.

If it's something that I can build or something that I can learn on how to do, even if I fail

at it, you learn something, right?

Um, so, so that's number one.

Um, number two, it's a unique vehicle, um, that a lot of people, it's a 1972 international

pickup truck, right?

And, uh, it's got a good patina look.

I want to slam it and put it on airbags, um, do something really custom and that's just

the vision I have in my head and that's not something that you're going to be able to

just go buy a chassis for or be able to find hardly any parts for, right?

So, um, those are probably the two main reasons that I want to go that route.

My suggestion is going to be to use the stock frame, smooth it, clean it up and

buy a cross member from us for the suspensions figured out.

That's just me.

I would not start from scratch or I would challenge yourself on something else,

save up the money and buy a chassis.

That's not, that's not a, uh, I promise you as much of a, uh, commercial for the roadster

shop as that sounds it is, it's not.

It is, I'm very similar in the fact that I want to challenge myself in car fabricating when I was

actually doing anything in cars or around the house or so like that.

I've done a lot of, uh, home projects and remodels and things like that.

I want to challenge myself on stuff.

I know that I want to learn along the way and I'm a perfectionist at it and I generally

don't want to fail.

However, if I fail at fabricating a new bar top, it might break and it might not hold

the stuff.

If I fail at running new power to the home from the street, that's a bad failure, right?

Much like suspension, failing is a bad failure and it's not just the safety of you and everybody

else that you're taking along with you.

It's everybody else that's out on the road.

If you chop the top on the truck and you do it badly and it requires a little bit more body

filler, you know, it's not gonna, it's not gonna be dangerous to, to you and everyone else around

you suspension wise.

Again, you doing things yourself, I get that 100%, but I would not say clean sheet.

I'm starting from nothing and I'm going to do frame rail.

I'm going to do first of all, all the design and all the geometry.

Then I'm going to do frame rails.

I'm going to do all the front suspension.

I'm going to do all the rear suspension and go from there.

There's my personal advice.

There's no amount of gratification on the backside from struggling through that.

That's going to outweigh the potential downside and the amount of frustration along the way.

That's just me.

I wouldn't start from building a motor from scratch.

I'll throw a caution of the wind on the safety side for this answer.

Okay.

And I'll just, I'll say this.

If you're looking for a book, Chassis Engineering by Herb Adams is a really good book.

Older book probably from the late 70s, early 80s.

A lot of good suspension theory, you know, it's not going to help you out tremendously on like

actually trying to build a perimeter frame.

You've picked, you know, I don't know the 72 international real well,

but pickup truck is a, it's an easier barrier of entry because it's typically a

ladder rails, pretty stick straight rails.

If you're up for the challenge, man, I mean, there's enough good visuals out there

of guys doing it professionally and doing it at a high level.

And there's some decent information on suspension theory in that book.

Or, you know, you can integrate some OE components into it.

But I would be looking at it personally.

If you were telling me it was a budget constraint that you,

you just didn't have the financial means to go out and purchase a chassis,

then, you know, I would approach it that way.

And, you know, you could build, just start with a nice square surface

and get all your components.

Start with your wheels and tires.

You need that overall diameter and that wheel base.

And then go to town, man.

All right, thanks guys.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

Appreciate it, Cody.

I'll await my untold riches.

No problem.

Elliot's got it handled.

Have a good one, guys.

What's the name of the YouTube channel?

If anybody wants to follow you.

Cody builds.

Cody builds on YouTube.

Cody builds.com.

Cody builds on Instagram.

Cool.

Appreciate it, Cody.

Thank you.

Good meeting you.

Thanks, guys.

Thanks.

We had a little delay there, I think.

Yeah, so it was, uh, it was all right.

I think we had a little delay there.

What'd you say?

There was a delay.

Josh Sanders, ready?

Josh Sanders.

Is this the Josh Sanders that I think it is?

It is the Josh Sanders that we think it is.

What's up, dude?

I need to see you.

How are you?

What's going on?

Good, good.

How are you guys?

Doing good.

How's things, man?

Are you, uh, coming down off that?

Thanks for having me.

Yeah.

Coming down off that SEMA high now or still flying,

flying high up there?

Yeah.

So we've leveled out pretty good,

reality hit.

Back to real world.

Those are due.

Let me get some work done back in the shop.

Right on.

Yeah.

Yeah, that was a great week.

Pretty freaking exciting.

It was a fun week, man.

You, uh, you guys outdid yourself on the car.

That we got a delay here again.

We do.

Give me that Weller 12.

So what's up, man?

What's new?

What's going on?

But we've been working on the door handles.

Well, getting back into all the other builds that,

and of course they got pushed aside a little bit

as we, uh,

brashed on that charger for about six months straight.

So that, yeah, that was a lot.

It was pretty cool to go on your guys and so earlier in the year.

Kind of felt like you guys feed us up really good

to get that spot in HRIA, which is fantastic.

Kind of talk to talk a little bit,

and then we had to get back and kind of walk the walk

and deliver that car.

So, uh, yeah, it's been fun to get,

get back into groups and things here,

get our door handles ready to be released

next month.

People have been blowing us up about getting those,

and so Derek and I have been real busy on that.

So it's very exciting.

Yeah, I know that Spencer reached out for a pair

for a project we're working on here.

So it's a nice piece and it's a filled hole.

Found a hole in the market and slid right in there.

That's good.

Have you named them yet?

We got, we come up with a name.

Ah, man, there's some ideas out there,

but nothing solid yet.

Yeah, there's a solid one out there.

You just got to commit to it.

That's the problem.

You just got to commit to it.

Oh, yeah, you can, you can commit to it if you want.

I think it's the best name out there.

Straight Market Josh Henning.

Yeah, the love handles.

I mean, it's, it's the best.

My wife wants to call them the love handles.

Yeah.

The only love handles you want to grab.

Just grab them and pull.

Grab them and pull.

It's just, I mean, it writes itself.

I mean, it just absolutely.

The marketing's good.

Josh, we're so glad that you could join us today.

You're the first one today that is a actual former guest.

So a pro.

You've been on the podcast before,

so you know the drill.

What's the question that you have for us today?

The question today would be kind of mulling around.

How do you guys feel like,

how do you guys feel like Seema went for you guys this year?

And do you feel like, I feel like your booth space was really killer.

And I really liked that you guys brought in all these outside builders.

And I think that was your,

is this the first time you guys have done that?

First time ever.

Yeah.

To that extent.

Nice.

Yeah.

How did that go?

I mean, we've talked about it a couple of times.

I think that it was, you couldn't have asked for a better hit.

I mean, it did everything that we hoped it would have done.

It was nerve-wracking to say the least to get,

to make sure that everything went off without a hitch,

especially with dealing with that many different builders and stuff.

The, I mean, the quality, the success has to do with a little bit of planning on the front side,

but it also has to do with the quality of the cars that all those builders brought.

You know, everybody brought banger cars and a wide diverse cross-section of the industry.

And it was, yeah, I can't.

It was pretty cool, pretty neat to have sort of this hub of amazing cars that are all sort of

and I think it went great.

The builders, the camaraderie between the builders was fantastic.

The recognition, the exposure, the placement of the cars just across the board.

I think it was, I thought it was a great success.

I mean, a lot of good feedback.

So happy with it for sure.

Absolutely.

Going to repeat that again next year.

I agree.

Yeah.

It's been fun to get a little bit more entrenched and getting to know more people in the industry.

Like you guys, and I've gotten real linked up with Roger and Troy, Ironworks, BVT.

I took their business class, if you guys remember earlier in the year.

It's totally just changed how I approach my shop, my confidence in the business,

and kind of mentally how I go about doing business.

I feel like we can build better cars.

My customers are better informed.

My employees are better guided.

Yeah.

It's been, it's been cool.

It's just been a crazy year for us going through, you know, taking that class,

going on the podcast with you guys, doing more social media stuff,

getting this car done, doing products.

And it's, yeah, from so much has changed for me in this last year.

His, his, I guess, just rolling off of that and rambling on is a big deal.

The class is coming up.

It's at Troy's shop.

It's February 21st, 21st and 22nd, something like that.

Coming up into February, go to Ironworks, Speed and Custom with a K.

Yeah, the first and one.

The, when you took that class, what was your number one takeaway that was applicable to your individual situation?

I think the kind of the mindset shift from like, you don't have to be,

this doesn't have to be a starving artist kind of a situation in a hot rod shop.

And it doesn't, like, I went into the class kind of worried that I would just have to charge more.

And I really, I didn't want to have to do that.

But I left feeling like I don't, sure there's situations where you have to charge more.

But I left feeling like I don't just need to charge more.

I need to figure out efficiencies and good ways to communicate with my customers and

actually deliver a better product.

And eventually, you know, it's taking more and more, lots and lots of time and dedication,

but eventually make a little bit more money too, but just provide a better service.

So I think it was just like a big mindset shift for me of,

yeah, because I'm so passionate about this stuff, I was willing to give

all the time.

And if there's a few things that I could do to get better at that I didn't have to give so much.

And Roger and Troy definitely have a lot of tools that help, you know, someone like myself that's

very path and driven.

I love the business side of things, but I needed a little help, a little more help.

At any point in time in those classes, does Roger talk about how to dress in public,

or is that touched on in like a phase two of the class sessions?

Like on like the whole like sweatpants and t-shirt thing, like for Roger.

So I didn't know if he dressed his, dresses on, dresses that.

Roger's been getting so much praise.

You feel like you just needed to knock him down a little bit?

Oh, he's already tall as shit.

So but yeah, he needed to, he needed to come down.

I didn't know if that was like maybe on a Friday night, Mexican food topic.

That might be something that, you know, Josh already has figured out better than Roger.

You can't teach everything, you know?

So there's some really good stuff to take out of that class.

You know, maybe that's one thing you just don't, it doesn't cover.

He's not going to like that.

No, he's not.

He's not going to like that at all.

He's going to laugh.

We do that, we do like a 20 group now.

He's going to, that's going to definitely do like a 20 group now that we meet once a month.

And, and he was complaining the other week about having to wear sweatpants

because it was so cold in California.

Because he always gives us a hard time, you know,

the rain of the Washington is cold over on the East coast, whatever it is.

And I'm like, you can't even pull out a pair of pants.

No, it's a sweatpants.

How am I going to get out in front of this one?

Because Roger's definitely coming back with a kid sized clothing comment directed my way.

Oh, yeah, it's coming.

He's coming with the short jokes for sure.

That's coming.

Yeah, like sweatpants wouldn't have been the

if if you're a little chilly,

his sweatpants isn't the thing to wear to work.

A particular image or a video with sweatpants in it that I didn't see or

no, I just I just guessed that.

Yeah, but turns out there is a sweatpants issue there with Roger.

Were you hesitant at the beginning to go to the class from, you know,

cost, travel, amount of knowledge you mentioned, you know,

I hope they just don't tell me I need to charge more.

Were you kind of fully bought in or was it kind of like,

I think I need to do this, but, you know, halfway hesitant?

No, I was definitely hesitant.

I kind of walked from the outside and, you know,

just watch, see who people listen to, people that went through the class

and kind of had considered it for a while.

And I knew I wanted to do something.

We're moving into a new shop next year,

so I'm starting to feel a little bit of the pressures

and getting some more stuff figured out.

And I was actually talking to my wife about it.

And she was like, I was like, I really want to go take this class.

I just I just don't feel like I have the money to spend on it.

And she looked at me and goes, that's exactly why you need to go take it.

Yeah.

So it was it was perfect, but I had some good friends and people I respect

recommend me to go as well.

So that certainly helped.

Look, the way I look at that, it's like a piece of equipment.

If you're looking at like a CNC machine,

or you're going to buy a new piece of sheet metal shaping equipment,

I always look at those things as if I buy this,

how long is it going to take for this machine to pay itself back?

It's the same way with that.

Yeah, look at that.

It's you're not coming out of pocket.

You're sort of just temporarily putting the money out because it's coming back.

You know, you're you're making an investment and you're absolutely going to pay.

That tool is going to pay itself back tenfold.

So the investment should it should be more of a like, man,

I just don't know if I have the time.

That's an excuse.

I don't have the money or I don't want to I don't want to spend the money, not an excuse.

That's that's that's a good takeaway.

Different than my takeaway.

My takeaway was you mentioned your wife was the one that so she's a smart Sierra.

So speaking to Sierra, where's she at?

Like, she hanging around out there?

Because Jeremy, I don't know.

That wasn't me.

I'm not getting into this anymore.

She she really wants that that special edition cheetah print chair, doesn't she?

We're doing a drawing tomorrow for the regular chair.

We might have to do it.

I'm going to have to do an edition.

Where is that sitting right outside here?

Yeah, it's in quarantine.

How old is your son?

I got two boys, three and two.

And that's that's fun.

She's got her hands full.

Yeah.

You guys both have your hands full.

Josh has been amazing, man.

Where are you going to be at next with the with the car?

You know, we we're going to good guys and people for sure, which is like our good home show.

So I don't have any other plans beyond that.

The car has like two miles on it and it's raining here.

So I got to state it out before I go do too much stuff.

Right.

But yeah, we're just kind of getting settled in and letting the car to the customer's house.

Let them enjoy it.

We'll see where it goes.

Cool, man.

Well, I hope we run into you.

Next big like good guys show.

I'll be out is like Columbus.

So yeah, hopefully you're out there, man.

You can be out at Columbus.

Good guys are where you headed.

I mean, that that car should be there.

Is it going to be there?

All right, really good.

I would love to be there.

Yeah, I need to make that happen.

Sweet, dude.

Well, I hope we see you out there.

Appreciate it, Josh.

Yeah, thanks a lot, guys.

Thanks, man.

Keep up the work.

Appreciate it.

Dude, this delay is I know it's getting tough.

Is it what's I?

Is this a software situation?

I'm there and is it?

I don't know who this is, but we got next.

Oh, son of a bitch.

Wow, what's up boys?

Isn't like grief.

That's what I can't hear.

We've got a technical delay.

That's a mistake.

Yeah.

Trent Lewis is next.

Sorry.

Oh, Trent.

Dude, what's up?

Can you hear us?

Test test.

Trent, can you hear us?

We got a delay like everywhere.

Oh, mute.

That last guy wants to get in so bad.

He keeps requesting to.

Yeah, don't worry about that.

Just tell him to hang for a bit.

Trent, can you hear us?

I don't think he can hear us.

Let's see.

How are we going to fix this?

Chat him.

Let's chat him.

Yeah, I know Trent.

I'd like to talk to Trent.

So we got to get him.

We got to get him through.

Can he see us?

No, he doesn't look like he can.

Pull your pants off.

See if he reacts wildly to it.

Then we'll know if he can see it.

We see it like a shocked look on his face.

Doesn't like it.

Think he's just going to get on here?

Like what?

How did he even?

How did he even get the link?

He keeps asking to join over and over and over again.

Bring him in again.

Oh, so.

Man, it must be a.

It must be a connection issue.

Dude, the Weller 12 has been in a minute.

Oh, whoa, whoa, hey.

Oh, so I think we got a bad.

Hey, what's going on?

We're having connection issues.

What's up?

Some drunk out on here again.

I think we're having connection issue.

Is there a couple of us on there?

Yeah, he can.

In that one, that loud mouth on the left.

Yeah.

So introduce yourself.

Would you not familiar with this individual?

It's coming up.

This says Cousin Mikey at the bottom.

Cousin Mikey, yes.

The one and only.

How are we doing, boys?

Look at how pixelated that dude buy a phone.

Stop moving around, Marky.

All right.

Sorry.

Hang on here.

Let me get this thing.

Hang on.

He's up there in Central Michigan.

They don't have telling you what right now.

I'm giving this service 30 seconds.

There we go.

I'm giving it 30 seconds of my interest.

Are we good?

Listen, Mikey, full disclosure.

We intended on just having you on here

and then just canceling you and just clicking you off.

But as much as I like busting your balls,

I actually felt bad.

I actually love you, dude.

So thanks, buddy.

I appreciate that.

I love Mikey, too.

What's shaking?

I know you're.

Where's that?

Where's that OBS at?

I'm actually getting ready to prime the bumper.

I know I'm getting ready to prime the bumpers on it tonight.

It's in the doors, fenders, and hooder, and final primer.

Bumpers get primed tonight.

And then we're going to start working on the body.

So Rufson primer, too.

So it's getting there.

It's getting close.

Where's that?

Where's that 86 short box at?

The 86 is looking good.

It's getting ready for some epoxy, too, probably this weekend.

You know, she's not going to get quite the show paint job,

but it'll be a good 10 footer.

I can't believe you're painting it.

I think I just needed a heavy cut on it, man.

I just needed a heavy cut.

Yeah, it's going to.

It'll be nice.

All new chrome and stuff.

It'd be a good looking truck.

I'm regretting.

I sold it.

Oh, it's going to be nice.

It loves me.

It's glad you sold it.

It's too cool of a truck for you, buddy.

I'm telling you what, it's it's glad you sold it.

Have you drove it?

Yeah, I drove it a little bit.

Worked a couple of bugs out of it,

probably put like five, 10 miles on it.

You got to be careful.

I think it's got some yank to it.

I'm telling you that thing.

Yeah, yeah, it runs.

It runs all right.

I did.

I did steal Troy lights, you know, deal to get on here.

So I got to give a shout out to BBT fab and in tech auto here,

too.

So yeah, it was it was in my disclosure.

You can tell the hardworking ones,

the ones that are still working,

that couldn't get on here.

Hey, look at where I'm at.

I'm working.

Okay.

I hope you brought it.

I hope you brought something awesome to this podcast.

Yeah.

What's the question?

You got to have a question.

One question.

That's how this works.

So what do you got?

One and done.

One question.

Okay.

What is your favorite color?

Got to be the worst fucking question I've ever had on this podcast.

How did he get his wife with the questions?

Yeah.

I wonder that all the time.

I know, especially after the yeah.

I do have a question for you.

We'll end it on this one.

Okay.

Out of the amount of time that we've known each other,

the limited time that you've been able to keep your mouth shut

versus just running it constantly.

But the one time Troy brings you up on stage

in front of everybody at SEMA at the best on our ass party,

you clammed up like I was like a mannequin.

I've heard mannequins speak too much.

I wish I could have that moment back.

I really do.

Yeah.

I put a foot in my mouth there.

I was aiming to get the job for hosting next year

and I think I kind of screwed the pooch on that deal.

So yeah.

It was a stage fright or what?

I don't know what happened.

It was not the right balance of booze.

And you know, I was a little hungover night before just ate dinner.

I just think it was a whole gamut of things.

It just wasn't in my favor.

Well, you did go hard the night before, if I remember.

Did you and I?

Was I with you guys?

Did I see you?

That was the Irish goodbye night, wasn't it?

You and I had quite the physical altercation the night before,

if you recall.

And then you just disappeared.

I don't know if you were extra.

He got kicked out of that club.

There was a rather large man, I remember, I kind of think.

Putting it all together.

I think I might have been asked to leave maybe,

but I'm not really for sure.

But if it's the same dude that we both know as the head

security for our event that night, if he asked you to leave,

you were totally left.

Because if he asked me anything, I was doing it.

That is for sure.

I do have a question.

What do you got?

On the S10 situation, you guys have a chassis coming on the line for that then?

Or what?

We do.

One's being built right now.

We sure do.

It's an extended cab, all right?

Yeah, it is.

That's just the longer version.

Yes.

I think yours was an extended cab before you hit that man on cover, wasn't it?

We took a couple inches out of it.

I wanted to shorten the wheelbase.

I wanted to shorten the wheelbase a little bit.

I figured that was the easiest way to do it.

Well, S10's coming, dude.

So you'll be the first to hear about it when it's done.

Except the customer that paid for it before you did.

He'll hear first and then you'll hear second.

I did that on the Tahoe too.

I waited too long.

I wanted to be the first and I was not.

So Mr. Last, buddy.

It happens.

But I'll be out there soon to see you boys picking up another chassis.

So sweet.

Come on.

Come at a normal time and we can go get something to eat or something.

Okay.

Sounds good.

I'll be out there like beginning of January.

So probably in a few weeks.

So all right.

See you soon.

Love you, bro.

All right, boys.

See you guys.

Did Tripp respond to it?

We couldn't get anything out of it, man.

He was smiling like he could hear.

Yeah.

I'm not sure he wasn't responding.

Damn.

I'm not sure if he could hear us, but that's unfortunate.

That is Midwest Metalworks, right?

Yeah.

I'll tell you how about this?

Since we've sort of failed.

We didn't.

We had our setup.

Whatever tech situation we had.

Trent's a cool dude.

He's a talented guy.

He's just north of here up there.

I don't know where in relation to if he's like,

Elkhart Lake area racing, racing.

I don't know.

Okay.

So I'm just naming places.

I know he's up there somewhere within like a two,

three hour drive here.

Good dude, talented guy.

You got a cool shop, independent, great metal shaper.

I think he's a cool guy to have on here.

I'd like to hear sort of you need to do that.

I like to hear his story from a guy who sort of does it.

I believe on his own and at a very high level.

So can you email him?

Yeah, let's do that.

We'll say sorry, Trent, for the difficulties that we had here.

Yeah.

Whether they were ours or his sounds like it was his,

but let's get him on here.

That would be fun.

Yeah.

I did want to hear what he had to say though.

I wanted to hear what he had to ask.

Sort of.

We have anybody else in the room?

That's it.

What do we, how do we, what?

Because of Mikey scared everybody off.

That was a good time.

It was interesting to hear the vastly different.

Oh, there's Trent.

Hold on.

Trent's back.

Wait, hopefully he's not.

Trent, can you hear us?

Testing, testing.

Still can't hear us.

Actual recording is higher quality.

Gotcha.

Oh, there we go.

There it is.

Yeah, I don't know what the hell happened.

Like the first time I was, I didn't have any sound coming into it

for like the first like three minutes.

So I had no idea what the hell you guys are talking about.

But sorry.

So and then, and then it like totally caught out

and asked me how I like the experience.

And so gave it a thumbs down.

But well, thanks for having me guys.

Appreciate it.

Thanks for coming on.

I'll say before we dive into this, we thought we lost you.

And I was just telling, I was just telling the guys

that if we didn't get a chance to talk to you, which now we do,

we'd still like to just extend to you the invite of actually coming on

because I think you're, you know, unless you totally botched this,

I think you're a pretty interesting dude and have a pretty cool shop.

And we'd love to dive deeper into it.

But yeah, follow on the Instagram stuff you're doing.

Sounds awesome, man.

Yeah, I would love to do that.

I'd love to come down and check out the shop too.

And yeah, to see how you guys operate.

And yeah, I'd be I'd be totally honored to come on the show.

And and yeah, give give some background and what I'm doing and where we're going.

And I guess how I got there and all that kind of stuff.

So that'd be super cool.

Hell yeah.

Let's set it up.

Let's do it.

Perfect.

I'll bring down a nice bottle of old Thompson whiskey.

Old Thompson.

Not familiar with it.

Is that a Wisconsin favorite?

It was like when we were in our early 20s.

It's comes in a nice plastic home record bottle.

Oh, love it.

Plastics where it's at.

I thought you guys just bring brandy up there.

Brandy old fashions.

Isn't that what what the go to is?

Yeah.

Yeah, that's true.

I can only have like one or two of those.

It's too much sugar.

It's just too much gut rot.

Get a sugar high before you get drunk, right?

Yeah, exactly.

How many brandy old fashions can Casey Wagner have?

I don't know.

Quite a few.

All of them.

Yeah.

They do.

It's good to hear that come to the plastic bottle

because they put all the good shit in the plastic bottle.

I mean, why you wouldn't want to break

and lose the expensive shit, right?

So let that thing just bounce.

Trent, awesome to have you on here.

I've actually followed you on Instagram for quite a while

and seen the amazing stuff that you're doing.

And glad to have you have you join us here

for the the abbreviated session,

which is the prequel to the long format special edition

Trent Lewis Midwest Metalworks episode coming this season.

It'll be this season.

Yeah.

It'll be this season.

Okay, awesome.

But what brings you to the show today?

What's what do you have?

What do you have for us?

What questions you got?

So I got a couple of questions if we have time for two.

For sure.

Bring it.

So the first one, I'll try not to make this

into too much of a word salad.

But on another podcast,

I'm not trying to give any other podcasts like plugs here.

But so one of the questions that they asked,

so I can't take credit for this question,

but what are some of the non-negotiable behaviors

or qualities that you guys look for

and the people that you surround yourself with?

So that can be professional, personal.

I guess now at the age that we're at,

it's kind of it's a little bit of both.

If you're going to spend some time hanging out with people,

you kind of want to spend time with like-minded people.

So for sure.

I guess what are some of those qualities?

And then also with the people that you guys are hiring then too.

Yeah, I would say, I mean, first of all, there's other podcasts.

I thought we were the only ones.

You told me we invented this shit.

There's other people we're competing against.

I'll say this, when I'm looking at, you make a good point,

these are people that you sort of live with.

They're like almost roommates.

It's like getting married the amount of time

that you spend when you're building cars

and how sort of passionate everybody is.

And negativity is the worst thing, period.

I can't tolerate it.

I can't work around it.

And it just has no place, period.

I mean, we all make mistakes.

There's brutal things that happen.

You fight battles trying to build a car.

But somebody that's just always negative, it's toxic and it's contagious.

And yeah, I just that's the one thing that will find you the exit

to the roadster shop door quicker than anything else,

I would say is just a negative sort of just negative personality,

negative vibe across the board.

Yeah, mine would be probably the same thing for employees

and anybody I would choose to surround myself with,

which we talked about it a couple of times on this podcast is not a lot of people.

And the beauty of being an introvert

is you can say that it's your choice that nobody wants to be around you.

You know, if you ever think about it that way,

I know nobody wants to be around me.

But so if I turn the tables and be like,

yeah, I don't want to be around them anyway.

I don't like them.

You cannot be able to be offended.

Regardless if it's an employee or more difficult on the employee side

than a friend side for sure.

It is because it doesn't mean you get a free pass to say whatever.

But regardless of what you do say or somebody else says,

you can have an alternate opinion about what that is.

But being full blown offended and then reacting a certain way

because you're offended, friendship wise or whatever,

you can say, hey, man, dude, like that's don't you think that's a little abrasive

the way you said that?

Or don't you think that was we can have a conversation?

We can have a laugh about it.

But if you're offended and you're going to act a certain way

or whatever, that's a deal breaker for me.

And then the other part is being able to have that conversation.

If something rubbed you the wrong way, doesn't it be offended?

If something rubbed you the wrong way or you disliked something,

if you can't have the discussion about it and say, hey,

I disliked the way you said this, blah, blah, something you need to know

about me is this, this and this, it's, you know, it's.

Tell me saying goes, you know, I want to tell you like, hey,

I asked you to do this.

You didn't do it.

You let me down.

I'm I'm feeling some kind of way about you because you let me down.

We got to how do we how do we solve this going forward?

Right?

Like, yeah, I counted on you because if you don't have,

if you don't have those converse, if you're too easily offended

and then you don't have the conversations when somebody pisses you off,

you're, you're putting it, but putting it over in a box and you're putting over in a box

and then the small thing, the small thing that doesn't mean anything, you know,

two years from now, the guy that, you know, leaves the toilet seat up

or the guy that does something like that or whatever, then that's when you just

absolutely like, you know what?

That's it.

That's the last fucking push the toolbox out or whatever.

Like it's, it's the small little straw and you got to handle the big things at the beginning,

you know?

Yeah, Josh, Josh tends to be long-winded, but basically what he's saying is just

don't hire pussies.

That's it.

That's simple.

It's it's it's 100%.

I tried to, I wanted to say that so many times, but I sugar coated it.

Well, yeah, you've got to be able to take, take feedback and know that it's not like

personal, you know, and that's, I guess how I always like, you know, lead into conversations

talking to employees, former employees.

And then I used to teach technical college and that's was the time when I met Jeremy.

And and so like that was the same thing.

And because they just immediately get like defensive and it's like, no, no, no, like

we're doing this to help you out, you know, and you can't take this personally.

And like, you know, but what you're doing right now, it's not right, you know?

So here's what you need to do, you know?

And then sometimes, yeah, you need to, you know, it's not, it's not a tapping on the

shoulder. It's a, you know, hitting them on top of the head, not like literally, but like,

you know, they've got to get the message across, you know,

they're doing something that you don't like, you have to get it corrected like right away.

Because otherwise, like what Josh was saying, it just ends up into a blowout, you know?

And yeah, I will say you can, you can take it personally.

And it's not, it's not necessarily a bad thing.

If you have the personal relationship with somebody, you can take it personally

as long as you take stock of yourself and realize yet, you know what?

That hurts. I don't like it at all. I'm taking it personally.

You hurt my feelings. However, the person that's giving me this feedback that's hurting my feelings

has a history of generally doing things very poorly worded, but in my best interest.

So I should at least listen to it case in point.

Jeremy was not, didn't hold back when I decided to shave a few years ago.

I shaved my face clean cut. And I think the exact words was ew, yuck. Oh, why did you do that?

Don't ever do that. You look horrible. I can't stand your face without a beard.

I thought I didn't like your face with a beard. However, I'll take your face with a beard all

day long. Please don't ever shave again. Followed up with. There was no question where I stood.

No, no, no, no. And just for instance, I did in case anybody wanted, I took it personally.

As you should have. Right. I took it. I took it way personally. However, I realized

he's passionate about this subject in a way that he doesn't get passionate about many things.

I should heed his warning and not shave again. Take it as because I didn't like it a lot when

I did it. You look you look good with a beard. I think Dwight Yokem clip that for sure. Dwight

Yokem said it best when he said that George Jones told him Dwight don't ever take that cowboy hat

off. Yes. Dwight Yokem with this cowboy hat. Yeah, he looks he doesn't look like Dwight Yokem.

Right. He looks like shit. It's Doyle Hargrave. Doyle. It's best to hit it head on and don't

let it faster. I mean, I joke, but I'm 100% honest. That that is I really truly feel that way.

Jeremy feels the same way. And I think most of our core group that we would call friends

feel the same way. And that's way you should have relationships. And it would be great to be

able to have employee employer relationships the same way, because you would cut through so much

bullshit and just get to the good shit that much faster. Well said. Yep. What's number two? What

else you got? Okay. So this one's kind of almost like, you know, a fun question. I guess it's not

too serious. But so out of all the guests that you guys have had now on your show, if you guys

could take a week off and job shadow with that individual or with that shop, who would it be?

That's a good one, dude. I mean, honestly, it sounds cliche, right? And it would probably be

Jesse James. But I'm not going to Jesse's fucking shop, right? I'm going to Jesse's

house and working with Jesse. Because I don't, you know, I don't. But I don't want to touch a car.

Yeah, I'm going for the gun. I'm going for the gun. Not even the guns. Jesse's done exactly

what I would like to do, that he's he's sort of a craftsman that maybe got if he got

tired of what he was doing, or it was so passionate about the craft that just explored it further.

And, you know, maybe he's probably he's not like a world renowned blacksmith. He's not the best

blacksmith in the world. He's not the best gun builder in the world. He but he's, he's great at

a lot of things. And he's sort of honed those crafts. And he's built a killer home shop and just

sort of keeps it. I mean, he's not a young guy. Fuckers almost 60 years old, probably, but just

keeps getting better and keeps taking on more and more skill sets. And to me, I just think that's

that's really interesting. Probably keeps them really sharp and keeps me young. I didn't think

you were going to answer that honestly that way. I really didn't. I didn't know who you're going to.

I just didn't think you were going to be Jesse. And I hate that because, okay, so I picked that.

So now you've got to pivot. I can't. That's my, that's my, I would, I'll go a step further though.

I, I would not only would I job shadow Jesse for a week, I would pay significant money to be able

to do it. I also would fake a mildly horrific injury for make a wish kind of thing to do it

for a week. I just want to go to Jesse's and build a 1911 for the week. I want to start to finish

build a 1911 along with just, we don't even have to talk. I'll just watch. Just show me.

I really would, would enjoy that because he does. There's,

everybody can say whatever they want to. There's so much more there than what people really

give credit for in a lot of ways. There is. I would say second to that would be Weldon Lister.

We had Weldon Lister on who's, are you familiar with him?

We're not going to ever be able to do any of it. We're just going to watch it. We're just going to

watch it and do it. You know, he's a, I mean, an absolutely unbelievable, probably the best

hand engraver in the world. A thousand percent. Oh yeah. Okay. But to Josh's point,

what are you going to take out of that? It's like, dude, I go shoot hoops with Michael Jordan.

What the hell am I going to take? I'd rather, I'd rather go shoot hoops with Michael Jordan

because the worst thing you do is miss. When I go with Weldon, he's like, all right, you make this

curve and I run it right into the web of my hand and there's blood everywhere, all of it's,

that's going to end poorly. Weldon is where I, I would just pay money for him to do his service

and just watch. Yeah. He's, he's amazing. On your end, I mean, you're, I mean, a very skilled

craftsman. Who would you like to sort of shadow or spend some time with? Oh God. Well, you guys

have had some, some great guests on. Yeah. I mean, Jesse James would be, that'd be definitely up

there because, you know, I'm part of that generation that, that got into, you know, this trade by

watching, you know, I was, I think a junior in high school when motorcycle mania one came out

and, and then I think it was either junior or senior year. And then when I graduated, it was

like the next year after that was motorcycle mania two came out and that's when like,

started doing power handers and stuff like that. So I mean, yeah, that's like, that would definitely

be up there. I would say another one of the guests that you guys have had on there that I would love

to do, like job shadowing would be Dan Webb. Oh yeah. So I mean, unbelievable fabricator,

welder, engineer. So like all the mechanical mockup form follows function, like the projects

that he's done, like the golden submarine, the Phil Remington Roadster, the one that he's doing

right now, I can't remember which one that that is. But, you know, then you got like a two for one

because he's got Craig Naff building like the bodies and stuff. And I mean, Jesus, that guy's

like one of the best, you know, metal shapers out there, you know, with some pretty, you know,

big feathers in his cap, you know, working out the biggest and yeah, yeah, boys and stuff like

that. And that one would be that would be like a three week trip because you're going to do a week

with week with Naff. And then what you're scheduled one week with Dan would have to turn

into two weeks, because it's going to be a half a day of stories and then a half a day of teaching,

because Dan has got some stories and some jokes. I feel like Dan also, you also couldn't record it.

You couldn't record it. Dan, you would have to embrace that whole like thick skin sort of

mentality. 30 minutes in if you can, Dan could beat you down if you couldn't let it roll

off you. He's going to tell I just having him on the podcast was all he's an amazing guy. I'm a

sugarcoat. I could see all your names you've never heard before. Yes, you got like a John Taffer

kind of approach a little bit, but maybe more meaningful. Like it would hurt more because

it would be truthful. But I also think he does it a little. He's going to have he's going to have a

little bit of your dad where it's an forming in a question. Whereas when you form, are you a fucking

moron? When you form it as a question, it's so much worse because if somebody says,

you're a fucking idiot, that's their statement. But he's when they say, are you a fucking idiot?

Is there something wrong with you? Is there what is wrong with you?

That it changes it so much. Yeah, it's good. And I can see Dan going with the female anatomy a lot.

Like, are you what you can't bend that? Are you a fucking? I just see that.

Dan's awesome. Yeah, Dan is. We got to do that again. For sure. I want to do.

I don't think that would be probably like a week like you guys said. I don't think it'd

probably be like a couple of weeks. It'd be like a month. You know, you're taking,

you're taking a sabbatical, you know, until further notice. Yeah, I'm going to get, I mean,

maybe it's the end of this season. Maybe it's the end of season five. We do a, but we put

one episode behind the paywall, right? We do a pay-per-view special. We do Dan Webb on here

with a couple of other guests that I've gotten mine. But Ashley Webb, his daughter can't come,

right? So she can't censor him. She's like Phil. And it's, there is, it's Dan Webb

uncensored. And we just roll. I mean, all of it. Let it air. You remember that Dan Webb guy?

That'd be awesome.

Well, awesome, dude. Listen, let's, you know, we've exchanged emails a bunch in the past.

Let's connect and figure out a time to, to get you out here and we'd love to do it. Love to do it.

A lot to unpack. Yeah, that sounds awesome. Cool. I appreciate it. Very cool. Midwest Metal

works on Instagram, right? That's right. Yep. Killer Metal work, dude. Keep up the good work,

dude. And we'll see you soon. Hopefully. Thank you. Appreciate it, guys. Quentin did not respond.

So that is everyone. That's it, huh? Dude, that was, uh, that was fun. That was a lot of fun.

And I think we probably, I'll ask Elliott, that, that was a learning experience. We learned a lot

from it. And I think we need to, it would be interesting to see doing this a couple of times

throughout the year, but planning it where everybody kind of knew, because it is kind of fun

getting, you know, it's, it's fun to see the way that people sort of relate to the guests

in different ways. And you can see that too. I mean, like I listened to a lot of like

Rogan podcasts and you sort of feel like you get to know the guest and you sort of relate with them.

And that's, it's cool. And these are, I mean, you're relate with somebody that's right in your

industry, right? I'm watching Rogan and I don't have any, there's no benefit to me knowing the

guy that digs up dinosaur bones, right? But it's cool. Yeah. You know, these guys are all pretty

much taken something away from industry people that in there. I would say like doing 200 episodes,

you guys don't truly know how much you touch these people, inspire some people.

There's, there's a lot of moments personally. I don't, I'm not a hot rod builder, but I take

a lot away from certain moments. So I can't even imagine people in this industry, you know,

also, besides that, you guys give hours upon hours every single week for people to promote

themselves to sell themselves. I don't know anybody in this industry doing that. So it's,

I'm sure people appreciate that very much having a platform to come on and, and, and sell themselves

and, you know, network in a way that isn't possible without the oil and whiskey podcast. So

I appreciate it. To answer your first question, I do know how much Jeremy touches people though.

That's, that's well aware of how much you touch people, uh, inappropriately.

I can't believe you went, Jesse James, because I thought, I thought that I really

would have gone with, I mean, I'm good. I mean, you're right. You're right. And Trent,

he's right there in line with us. We're all in the same sort of generation. Yeah. We all were

cut from that same cloth. We grew up on monster garage and all were just absolutely enamored

with motorcycle mania. The cool factor of it. Like I wouldn't be surprised if Trent at some

point has put his cell phone on the wall, dim the lights, sprayed a little WD 40 or a little gasoline

on a piece of sheet metal, lit it on fire and ran it through the power hammer. Oh yeah. Just

see. Yeah. To see if he looks that cool. You're speaking from advice because you've done it.

I got a, I got a new question. Yeah. It just came to me. I think this is a really good one.

Based on our guests, right? Yep. We're going to start asking this question to other guests,

kind of in their life experiences. So kind of like, uh, uh, you know,

what Mary F kill kind of thing, right? So

out of the guests that we've had on this show from start to finish,

yeah, you got to name, you got to answer who would you like to job shadow, which you've answered,

right? Who would you like to, who would you like to party with? Okay. And who would you

like to sit down and have a one on one meaningful conversation with?

Um, man, party with, I missed that one. That was Zach, the one podcast that I,

Oh yeah. Is it in? We partied with him briefly, but I don't know if we, maybe we out partied him

that night. I think we out partied Zach, Mr. Zachary, Zach Merton's. Yeah. So I missed that

podcast. That was the after, that was the after, after party, after our party. You'd rather party

with Zach than Vinny. I party with Vinny a lot. No, fuck, I'm not, fuck Vinny when it comes to

partying with Vinny because Vinny won't let you stop partying is the problem. Yeah. But sometimes

you just want to go to sleep. Vinny just makes you feel so damn guilty about, he's a competitive

partier. Yeah. He's an undefeated competitive party. Yeah. Vinny, well, you need to do that.

I think he's the last guy left who I'm actually like very close with that I still do the Irish

exit with. It's always the, oh dude, I think I'm going to go hit the bathroom real quick.

And then you're just gone because there, if you announce your retirement for the evening,

I mean, you will be shamed. Yes. Public like, um, so that's one, just know Mr. Zachary. That's

one. I'm trying to, you know, we've done so many damn podcasts. It's hard to,

hard to think of who else you'd want to party with. Man, how about you? Who would you party

with? It's hard to put, I need to like look at them all in front of me off the top of my head

right now. And I'm sure I'd probably change this further. It would be Chris Barrett.

Yeah. We loosely partied with them once, but that was sort of breaking the ice.

Yeah. It was breaking the ice. I just, I think it would be, I think it'd be a fun time.

Yeah. Yeah. There'd be a lot to talk about and have a good time. I'd just,

that's where my answer is at right now. It can change throughout the season.

Meaningful conversation. I mean, we've had a lot of, had a lot of really cool, I mean,

celebrity type people on here, a lot of wild influential people come to meaningful conversation

of just sitting down and talking to somebody. I might actually say Scott, Scott Rosenboth.

You know? Yeah. Like maybe we've, Scott's a great customer, great friend. You know, our

conversation, we're usually hanging out, partying. You don't get to have like conversation. And we

party pretty hard. Like I'll say this. I've never partied that hard in my fucking life

as I have with him in the Ozarks. Dude's in his mid fifties. That is tough to hang with.

Really? Even my wife, we went out there and it is, I haven't partied like that

ever, ever, ever. And the crew he runs, I mean, they're all like successful dudes that are like

fifties, sixties, and these guys just absolutely roll, you know? But when it comes to like meaningful

conversations, Scott's such a, I mean, he's got, he's like, his success is contagious, you know?

And he's very savvy, sharp business guy. But our relationship isn't like we never, the two of

us haven't ever just like sat down and shot the shit about like life business, you know?

Just, just kind of thinking out loud. I think I would like to,

well, one, one of the ones I would have picked, but I already got to do it a lot,

and he's no longer with it. It'd be George Bote. A lot of really good,

meaningful conversations. But short of that would be, I think Paul Tuttle Sr.,

I think there would be a lot just, just to sit and talk. There's so many things I'd like,

because it was such a eye-opening, mind-blowingly great experience to have him on in so many

different ways where it's just like, you know, how when you, when you hear some, when somebody

talks that you listen, right? It's just one of those things.

There's very few people, George Bote, being one of them, Paul Sr. is another one of those.

Take the celebrity aspect aside, it's a personality thing. It is. Like, there's only, my dad had it,

you know? Like, 1000%. Only certain people that have that. Yes. That's, and I, there's so many

little nuggets that are said with, I mean, dad was that way, George is that way. Yeah. Yeah,

Jack was that same way. There, when you can say, it's funny you mentioned like, I can be long-winded,

I know that, because I'm not, I'm not eloquent and I'm not smart enough to use fewer words.

Everybody knows that. That's not like breaking news, right? I'm pretty fucking stupid.

With George, your dad, Paul Sr. same way. Like, you can say so much with just so few words.

And it's in, like, there's so many times when, you know, George would say something like, that's

like, so simplistic. That's how everything he said was. And then, then you start, there weren't layers

to it. No, but then you start thinking about it. And there's so many more layers. You're like, wow.

Easy to understand. I know, I know. But it makes, it makes so many, so much sense on so many different

levels. Who was that? What was the

Duck Dynasty? Your buddy? No. Or the actual Duck Dynasty? The actual Duck Dynasty. Robinson,

Phil, same way. Like, he would make, he would make statements that was just so simple words,

right? That was like, what, when he, when he passed or watched the documentary on, you know,

funeral stuff, like, just simple things like,

why don't you cut the grass? You know, it is elsewhere. You're just going to grow again.

You know, why don't you, you know, shave? Right? Well, I figured if God put it there for a reason,

why am I going to wake up every single morning and whack it off just for it to grow back again?

Like, it's simple things. And you're like, then there you are still whacking it off.

Because, because of what you said, because you told me I can't, I can't shave.

You know, who else has it? Bobby Allaway. Oh, yeah. Bobby's another guy that's got that

attribute. Like, you think about all the names we've named, it's all been of that generation.

It is. Yeah, you don't meet a lot of young guys that have, and it's probably wisdom, you know,

it comes 100% comes with years. Yeah.

While we've got you in sort of with Ellie here, this is important in sort of, I don't want to

say a weak moment, but you're willing to disclose, I guess, sort of your faults or weaknesses.

We worked hard. Ellie worked hard on something. Let's close up on Josh's face right now.

Ellie worked hard on something. And Phil didn't think it was appropriate

so to release it. I want you to know to the public. He's a better friend to you than you are to him.

Because we've produced a very offensive video. I don't know if it's offensive.

Is it maybe we dialed it back and both agreed not to publish it because

he's a better friend to you than you are to him. I just want you to know that.

Well, I sort of just don't. It's so good. We can still publish it. Don't dial it back.

I just said you can't. I don't want anybody around me that has that has that has soft.

Okay. Sticks, you know, things you said tonight.

Uh, all lean in the favor of releasing. So I should have not said half the things I said.

Everything you said. So there's there would be no way after you like if we release this immediately

after for you to be pissed off about it. Correct. Because it no matter what tracks exactly like.

Right. I would sort of I don't know that I would want you to publish it,

but I would want you to be direct with me with something.

You know, that like maybe was bothering you or like that, like

was, uh, yeah, I don't know if it's a fault. It's not necessarily a fault.

Is this like a montage of clips? It's one of your flaws.

Something I something I do. Is it tick? No, you don't have any ticks.

It's like something I wildly contradictory. No, it's honestly not bad at all.

It's just really annoying. It's just the volume of it.

I think you should just, I think you need to trust me and trust.

Elliot put a lot of work into this. Too much dude.

And just say, give me your blessing to release it.

I mean, that dude, there's never been any shame in my game. Right. Like I'm always,

well, what? You didn't wear Jinkos.

That was not my, that was, that falls, that falls solely on them.

On the Viper, about Viper voice.

For not fucking showing up. Okay.

They showed up and they had a presence there. I'd wear the Jinkos, dude.

You know, I'd wear the Jinkos.

The, do I look stupid? Yes.

Like regularly or in this video? No, in this video.

No, you don't, not physically. You don't look, it's not like, uh,

okay. It's nothing physical. It's just something I do.

Yeah. It's nothing physical. Right.

No, you look like, you look good doing it.

Hey, you know me well enough to know.

I know you well enough to know that I would have just probably released it.

I, I got cold feet on it and Phil was like, he will again,

like move back to Alabama. If you, if you, is it that bad?

I don't think so. No, no. I think you could take it.

If I thought that it was that good of content,

you know that I would have come to you and said, we need to release this.

If it was about you. Yes. And I'm telling you, it will be funny.

And it's not going to be, it's not going to,

it's not detrimental to you or your reputation.

Like it will be just like a one and done.

Oh yeah. Like everything's been one and done.

We'll have a moratorium. I'll sign like the,

I don't even make fun of you about it.

If Ellie has worked so hard on it, there's nothing.

Again, after everything that I said, you cannot have thin skin

and expect to have a productive relationship.

I don't think it'll offend you.

I just don't want to turn this into let's weaponize

Ellie against each other.

Well, that's what it'll, it's what it'll be.

But I think he's right.

I think we need to drop it.

Okay, we'll drop it.

What do you mean?

What?

The drop what?

The video.

Yes. Drop it.

Yeah.

100% drop.

Yeah. Drop it to scene.

Consider it.

Yes.

Yeah.

I can't, I can't not.

I will take my own medicine.

I can't preach one thing and then live by a different set of rules.

I think that's where you and I are very much aligned.

It just is what it is.

You got to take the,

I've taken some public losses and it's been that same mentality.

It's like, it is.

You can't.

I guess it's just sort of roll with it.

So it is what it is.

The other thing that we've talked about is it's got to hurt to learn from it.

Yeah, you're right, dude.

So whatever this thing is,

I would assume it's going to hurt so much.

I'll learn from it.

No, I won't hurt that.

It won't hurt.

It'll just be like a be like a sparkler burn.

It's just like, oh, we're annoying than anything.

I'm so intrigued about what this is.

And dude, you will.

So I know you and I know how you would put entertainment value.

Yes.

And like the success of the podcast ahead of everything.

Yeah.

Which is why I know you would be on board with it.

Okay.

Because the production quality is so good.

Elliot put it together and finished it like is so well.

Is this a thing that Elliot caught on to or you caught on to?

No, it was me.

I think everybody probably knows it.

But to be honest with you, I think you sort of worked it out a little bit yourself.

Like it's not prominent.

Oh, this must be something I used to say at the beginning or something like that.

Hey, that's fine.

You'll I don't think you'll when is when is this going to be dropped?

Well, it has to obviously fall with this podcast.

So the in the new year, the first week of the new year.

I can't wait.

Me neither.

I mean, there's been some I don't I don't have.

I'm not worried about it.

No, you shouldn't be.

It'll be honestly.

It's funny.

Just there is just so you know, there is no moratorium.

Oh, as far as a retribution.

I mean, it's just it's just is what it should drop.

Start a war.

It's all right, dude.

I'm OK.

I'm OK with the retaliation.

Are we keeping this war on air and on air only?

It can be, obviously.

Phil's got like a fucking force field.

You can't touch.

Untouchable.

So we won't go there.

But maybe that's a good way to kick off 2026.

We need something new.

It could be a new thing.

I'm sure that fuck with Phil.

It takes it to the next level.

Yeah.

You know, there's no question about it.

We've been I'm brutally honest with each other.

I'm with I'm I'm down for that.

OK.

I mean, I might start tighten it up a little bit if that's the case.

But I mean, there there's been times you could you could have snapped a pick of

homeowner Josh on the weekend.

I do have one.

No, no.

No, that's that's deaf.

There's I mean, get at some price.

Yeah, you got to have a safe.

You have a safe space.

Yeah.

Like those little fucking slide-ons you like to wear.

That would have been a great set of slide-ons to wear for the cord.

Which ones?

Those little mandals.

She got the little.

Oh, those are cool, though.

They got skulls on it.

What do you?

When you said, oh, you knew exactly what I was.

The ones with the skulls?

Yeah, the ones with the skull.

Yeah, great driving that cord.

All right.

Like dancing like a ballerina.

Inside the studio is free game.

Outside the studio, safe space.

Yeah.

All right.

That's the best way to do it.

Uh, you know, we're about to be going to a wedding and wearing some stuff that we

don't want probably nobody seeing us wear.

Ellie, this is amazing.

It's time for us.

I would, uh, I think that we need to start making this a more regular thing for you being in the studio.

Sure.

Really, you make it, you make it easier.

I feel like I can relax now.

We're going to, we're going to force you on here.

I mean, you're an amazing media guy.

You're also very good on camera.

You know, I know you do your own thing and you get some great stuff.

He's great fucking on camera.

And you're just fun to fucking hang out with too, dude.

So like, we're going to bring you, we're going to force you.

Yeah.

Come on here more.

And that might help actually break down the bear here with Chris.

You're going to make him come on.

Yeah.

I mean, that's a tall order.

Do you think you can do it?

Do you think your presence would help?

If your job depended on it, do you think you could?

100% yes.

By the year.

Oh, this is actually really good.

Yeah.

Been fun.

I mean, I think that in my opinion, we haven't talked about this in any great detail,

but 2026, I mean, that that's an area that I think would be fun to bring some more road

to your shop guys on here.

Meet the team.

There's some, I mean, amazing talent.

Yeah.

Sort of behind the scenes that would be great to.

John, your work's been on before.

Yeah.

When you have John, you work on again.

We got to fill some on.

Yeah.

We got to have Michael Brian on.

Yes.

We'll pre-drink it beforehand.

You'll have to have a couple in and before then get on here.

We have Kyle on.

Yep.

We need to have Chris Gray on.

The thing we got to work through is with the amount of talented guys and like crazy,

we've got, it could be an entire season.

So we probably, we need to have like a super episode or a few super episodes.

I'd be curious some guys input to, you know, would that be something entertaining to hear?

You've heard a lot from a lot of interesting people, celebrities, home builders, professional

builders, you name it.

How would you like to see that structured, you know, bring in some RS guys, do you want

to see it and just.

It's a good question.

One long ass, a four hour podcast that we sort of break it up.

We just do round Robin or we do it like a different facility.

Revolving door, that'd be fun.

Yeah.

Cycle and tag to put a fucking timer on and just roll through.

That'd be, it'd be interesting to see what the fans have to say about that.

I'd like to hear what they have to say.

Well, and any other suggestions, this is again, new year, man, right?

Guess suggestions would be great.

I mean, but give us good guess suggestions.

Like sometimes it's like my neighbor, he's, he's into car stuff.

He's got like a huge magazine collection.

What kind of magazine gives a fuck, right?

Right.

Give us, give us somebody that's got, that's, that's.

We've had some good ones.

I mean, we've taken, we've taken some recommendations there has been.

But that's what we're looking for.

2026, I want some more engagement.

If you're listening to this and you're subscribed to chime in, let us know.

I mean, we're all ears.

Yeah.

West coast trip coming up here soon.

Yes.

We're going to do another remote or remote run.

Which would be fun.

Some new ones.

We're going to be in the Southern California LA area doing a couple of new ones.

That'll be fun.

So we are, we will mobilize, which Paul senior might be a good second round going down to him.

We've, we've connected a couple of times.

He's down to do another episode.

We're just trying to figure out the logistics down there would be great.

He's in Florida, right?

He is.

We're Daytona.

He's in the, he's in Florida, the state of it.

Long state, big state.

It is long, not very wide, but long.

He's somewhere in there.

We'll see you again next week.

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