Listeners Questions 2026 Part 1

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It's me, Matty J, online with Mr. Edward Bunting,

Mr. Rob Zidi, Mr. Alamedee Singh, Mr. Scotty Doe and Johnson,

Mr. David Prince, Mr. Jim Barlow in studio.

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That's great.

To see you guys.

Good.

It's on this fine, hot 50 degree day.

Feels like that in a lot of ways today.

So let's crack on.

How are you guys going?

What's been happening?

Yeah, good.

I don't know.

Does anyone else want to say how they are?

Nice and suspect.

Hot.

They're my typical Tangerine Melbourne.

Yeah, absolutely.

So yeah, good to see you guys.

Obviously it's very hot today.

Hopefully you guys have been staying cool.

Scotty's got the tank top on.

He's looking the part.

I got to work from home today.

Are you serious?

Yeah, they said it was too hot and we could work from home.

Rob it in, bro.

Seriously.

You're a traitor.

No comment, Scotty.

Moving on.

Did anyone else work home from home today?

Yeah, I did too.

I took a day off.

So that kind of counts.

Does it?

Yeah, I planned it ahead last week.

That's the coward's way out.

In my defense, I didn't know it was going to be this hot,

so it just worked out well for me.

But a lot of people ended up taking the Friday off

to make it a four-day weekend.

If everyone's taking that day off, I'll be smart.

I'll take the Tuesday off and that's my four-day weekend.

That's a good idea.

That's what I planned.

I got a call from work sometime in midday

and I was like, well, it's my day off, so I'm not answering.

We'll deal with this tomorrow.

Where are you?

Oh, I've got the jiggily legs and the shingles.

I told him on Friday.

I said, I'm not coming on Tuesday,

so you sort yourselves out.

Yeah, he did not.

Anyone else want to rub it into me going back to work today?

I went to work, but it's an air conditioned office

with undercover car parking,

and that's way better than being at home.

I was more comfy there.

Yeah, OK.

Rob, did you work from home today?

I sure did, like every other day.

David Prince, did you work from home today?

No, no, I was out on the road and actually...

I saw David with some ice cream.

I did, yes.

Well deserved.

Dave for it.

But I was amazed how little traffic there was.

I think a lot of people had stayed home.

It was the traffic work really easily today.

Not many comedors on the side of the road with popped bonnets.

Bonnets up, no.

Jim, you were back today?

Yes, I was back today.

No kids, so that was pretty easy.

And then, because I said before,

I don't like the heat, so I drove home with no aircon.

What car did you take?

The Civic.

Does it not have aircon?

It does.

I just don't use it when I'm by myself.

Interesting.

Okay.

Jim, I've got a question.

Why?

So, I used to, I think part of it was

like, grow up with a king who has no aircon.

You sort of get used to it.

But also, I just don't like heat.

And I've learnt that if I drive

when I'm by myself with no aircon,

I climatise quite quickly.

Fair enough.

If you never have aircon,

you don't know what you're missing out on.

Yeah.

So, when I left work, it was 41.

And then when I got home, it was 31.

Oh, okay.

Wow.

31 in Phillip Island.

That's a bit of a scoop.

Yeah.

It's interesting because the sun was exactly the same.

Like, it still felt exactly the same thing

in the sun as it wasn't packing in.

But just, I think the sea breeze just made my cheese.

And yet the aircon is there and it does work.

Yes.

It is there.

It does work.

It has been regassed in the past,

but I just don't use it.

It must have got passengers.

The plot thickens, Jim.

Will this be the same case for the magnetron?

Probably, yeah.

For myself.

Although, you know, it has got black seeds,

so we'll see how I go when it's properly hot.

But yeah.

I've got an idea.

I'm going to buy you a crash test dummy

that sits in the back all the time.

Particularly during summer.

Therefore, hence and whence,

you can run the aircon all year round.

Ed, that's a non-living being,

so why would I need to run the aircon?

Oh, OK.

It's going to be a blow-up, Ed.

And now and again, it just says,

it just says phrases now and again,

just Ed says.

I'm sweating in the back.

I'm sweating in the back, Jim.

It'll say that or it'll say.

When you put the air conditioner on,

it'll be like, yeah, good.

Yeah, good.

Like a little parrot.

Ah, I'm hot.

Ed, if you're cruising,

you'd be saying, long live my LTD.

I did actually have to hide my phone

because I went to, I think, adjust the brightness

in the screen.

It was like really hot to touch.

Even in front of the fan with the fan on.

Sometimes iPhones turn off

if you leave them in the center.

They shut down.

They just go, no, I'm out.

That happened when they driving it.

My rabbit convertible when I had that.

It was a very sunny day and I looked down.

Oh, no phone.

But it is, it is warm.

It is warm.

I used my air conditioning today, Jim.

Just letting you know.

As the people at work say to me,

because I always have the heater on at work.

They actually come up to me today.

I'm like, the heater not on today

and you're actually in shorts.

So I guess this is very true.

They're like, this is the weather of your people.

And I'm like, yeah, it is.

But, you know, there is a time when it's just too hot.

And today was one of those days.

Yeah.

Today is definitely.

So you're one of those people.

Some records.

Do you have like a personal heater?

I got one of my, like under my desk,

like a foot, a foot heater as well as.

And when everyone turns off the other things,

I put my little foot heater on.

And it's really.

Everyone's like, Matt, you're, you're ridiculous.

I'm like, oh, I wear thermals.

I wear all sorts of stuff.

You run cool.

I've run so.

What tonight about this podcast members

requirements in this podcast?

Well, it's these are the,

these are the questions we need to answer.

These are people's intricacies, intricacies.

Temperature related intricacies.

Jim, are you allowed to crack a window or is it a terrarium?

Don't go down the freeway.

I don't know.

I do.

I do have the windows.

Oh, okay.

I'm not complete.

Complete.

The sunflow.

You know,

there is a flow because also like in winter,

I will also have the fan on so that if I exhale,

I'm like, I stick up the car.

So I'll have it on really cold as well.

Cause I prefer cold.

So wait, so, so Jim, just, just clarify.

Do you have the air con on in winter?

I don't have the air con on in winter,

but if like, say it's eight degrees outside,

I'll have the fan on like a medium speed.

Is it like a recirculation or outside fan?

No, outside.

So like my hands are getting cold.

I'm getting sore from being cold.

But that's how I prefer it.

I think Jim's just a glutton for punishment.

I think so.

Perhaps maybe, Maddie,

we shouldn't travel together when the,

when there is not particularly comfortable.

We might have something different.

I think at a minimum,

you'll need a car that's got dual zone climate.

And a really thick partition down the middle.

You have a little spray bottle with mist.

Well, I'm,

those dashpans, you know,

the old people, the big old 70s.

You would be surprised if many people still ask for them.

We still sell them.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

We sell heaps of them.

Oh, I need one for the LN.

That'd be awesome.

Well, I, I know a guy, David.

You know a guy, sweet.

I know a guy.

I think that's, I was speaking to Jim about that yesterday.

Jim was talking about,

I don't know what it was now, Jim.

And I was like, Oh, I know a guy.

And then Jim was like,

you should make that a T-shirt because it's just like,

it's always, you deserve to know a guy.

No, look, it is good to see you guys.

It's, you know, it's a full house.

A lot of the show, by the way.

You know, it's, it'll, it'll be,

it'll be good for the quiz.

As you guys know,

now the quiz from here till the end of,

actually you weren't here last week,

a few of you,

but I'm doing a tally of who wins the,

whoever wins the most amount of quizzes at the end of the year

will get like a, like a pub meal or a HSP.

We're going to bring HSP's back.

So can I ask, can we have formula one rules?

Like, you know,

it'd be the constructors, constructors championship and,

and, you know, the actual.

So are people teaming up?

People aren't teaming up.

We could do like the age group.

The age group.

Oh, let's stop doing that.

It looks like you're going to win everything anyway.

We don't already, Dave.

You and I.

We just got to put his feet up on the table.

Like all yours.

All yours, David.

Anything Honda, David.

So we'll get to that at the end of the show,

which is an Australian,

Australia Day themed quiz because it was,

it was Australia Day yesterday.

So we're talking Australian cars.

So we've got 10 questions plus a bonus questions,

which will come later on the show.

We are also taking questions from our, from our,

our listeners.

So I did put a couple of posts up on Instagram and Facebook.

Got some questions to answer that we will,

we'll have a, as we are, you know,

members of discussion,

we will discuss that in the in due course,

but it is car update time first as it,

as it always is.

Edward Bunting updates with you.

Haven't bought anything, haven't sold anything.

So that's sort of unusual, but status quo,

so the Lexus I'm picking up tomorrow from the panel shop

after getting a few little bumps and scrapes rectified

and refinished looking forward to seeing that.

I did go up over the long weekend to Canberra to the 50th

anniversary of the Mercedes Benz W123 launch in Australia.

So that was sort of various activities over sort of Friday

night, Saturday, Sunday, a little bit of Monday morning.

I didn't go to all of them, but some friends and I went to

the Sunday morning cars and coffee.

Then there was leading into show and shine of just W123s.

And then there was a breakfast on the Monday morning we went

to, they did a couple of scenic drives and things that our

friends went on.

I didn't go on, I was doing other stuff, but yeah,

very good, very good gathering.

There's probably about a hundred cars there,

maybe one, two, three's.

I was thinking it was quite as, quite as,

as a magnet fest and they probably sold in this country

more magnets than W123 benzes.

It's a fair assumption.

Yeah.

So I mean, you had all the colours of the rainbow,

wagons, sedans, coupes, of course, spherian conditions.

There were some really ratty ones that sort of look like

rally cars and daily, daily driven diesels and things.

And then there were super glamours, you know,

70,000 Ks on them.

So it's a thing in between.

That was very, very fun walking around that and meeting

some of the owners.

I ran into a guy that I'd met at,

oh, my friend used to work at like Renault up north.

Where was he?

Greensboro sort of way.

I ran into him and I started talking about his W123.

Ten minutes in, I said,

I know you from somewhere.

And he's like, yeah, I know you too.

We figured out we've got this mutual friend and he's got

all these other cars with his dad like sit ones

and other fun things.

So we had a good chat, sent my friend a selfie, of course.

So that was fun.

I took the big girl there and back, which proved, I think,

the right choice for a couple of reasons.

The car that I was maybe going to take was my friend's

W123 wagon.

And I think I mentioned last time it was a bit stuttery.

There are a few little things with that car that I was like,

eh, I'm not so comfy with this thing.

It was a bit how you go on, wasn't it?

Bit how you going?

I think pushing it at 110 in that car in 40 degree heat down

the Hume, that car would have broken something.

Yeah.

It, yeah, it wasn't quite to my standard, but the big girl,

contrary to that was sublime.

It did not do a thing wrong.

You know, Aircon worked and Jim, I used it.

I had it on only fan setting one.

I like a low cold setting, not like blasting at me,

but that was on pretty much the whole way.

Temp was good, oil pressure good.

You know, just, it just hummed.

It was, and it wouldn't have done a drive like that for years.

Cause before I got it was stored for nine years.

And then before that, you know, the old first owner had it.

I mean, they, they, they wouldn't have been hammering it like that.

It's probably never been interstate.

I mean, it might have been, who knows, but it's certainly liked

the open road and I'd put new ties on it last Wednesday.

So at fresh hand cooks, fresh alignment.

All right.

Let's see how we go.

And yeah, it's sublime.

So very happy with that.

As was Thomas, my co-pilot friend who, who's been on the show before.

Um, on the way back, I measured the fuel economy and, uh,

it was 11.4 liters per hundred, which I thought was remarkably good.

Yeah.

It was really good for long wheelbase 1884 V8.

Yeah.

Long wheelbase too.

At least my mate buggered up the calculation, but I think that's about right.

Cause in the old one we had, I remember mum drove it for a while

and she was getting 13 per hundred sort of with a bit around town.

11 on the highway doing that.

Yeah. All right.

But it was, it was 40 degrees and the aircon was on the whole time.

So it wasn't, it wasn't perfect running conditions, but yeah.

So very happy with the big girl.

I think that's it.

Lovely.

I drove all a number of my cars on the weekend, which was great cause I ended

up with the Ellen at my place and the Grand Prix at my place and the N1 at my place.

So I had a pleasant breakfast with Mr.

Janina the other morning.

After that, I went home.

I moved some things around, needed to move some things around the garage.

So both the, well, the Ellen starts on the turn of the key.

It's just fantastic.

Sounds a bit like a V12 Honda formula one car at the moment.

Yeah.

It is very, very loud, but that was fun.

Scared the neighbors a bit, taking off down the street.

So yeah, that's, as I mentioned before, that car had a heart transplant, not long after

I got it, cause it didn't have a heart when I bought it, but it ended up with a 40,000

mile Honda Z360 engine.

And the big difference with the Zs to the ends was that it's got a fully synchronized

gearbox.

So it just makes that car such a sweet little car to drive and it revs beautifully.

It's been in long-term storage and only sort of started.

That explains why the muffler has got a gigantic hole in it, but it is booked in next tomorrow

week for I have new tie rod ends and new ball joints to go in it and an exhaust.

So we won't know itself.

The Grand Prix started and is driving beautifully.

No further problems.

No binding.

Touch wood.

Folded out of the garage like a, like a top and started no problem.

It's good.

Gave that a bit of a run.

So yeah, now everything's cooking along.

Okay.

I think I did.

I mentioned to, I think my son's restoring an N and he hasn't been able to get a floor

mat for it.

The floor mats have got a big H sort of cast into them, the rubber mats and the one in

the cars that he, one was missing it and one of them, it's pretty tatty.

So I said, well, you take the one out of the red car, which is my original car.

I said, I'd far rather your good car have a good mat.

He said, no, no, not taking it out of that, you know, I'll sort something out.

Anyway, as soon as I got the LN, I realized the LN's got a really good mat.

It's certainly got a lot of patina in the bodywork.

So wouldn't matter to have a mat that's a bit rough.

And also the steering wheel in that car is out of a very, very low mile November blue

and 600 originally.

So that car is, I know where that car is.

So I said, if you'd like, you can, you may as well put the steering wheel because it's

the best steering wall we've got collection too.

And I'll have one with a little bit of patina and age to it, which will just blend in seamlessly

with you.

Yeah.

So he was pretty chuffed because that saves him finding two parts that are pretty much

made of an Italian.

So powering the world.

That's right.

So, you know, cooking along, moving along.

Oh, last Wednesday night, actually we had a car club, a fantastic car club night.

A great turn out of people and some really cool cars turned up some new cars and some

new people for that matter.

Yeah.

So all good, all good on the car front.

Lovely.

It was a good night that night.

Rob updates with you.

Speaking of floor mats, I took out the torn and tattered XR six floor mats out of my

FG and put my original XR 650 of anniversary floor mats back into it.

Looking good.

Nice.

Yeah.

So I did that.

Well, I said I don't drive the car.

Might as well put it on display in the garage.

And so I did that.

And I actually did take the car for a drive.

Popped it up with some fresh fuel, took it for a spin.

Just had it running for a while.

Whilst I was having it whilst I was running it, I gave it a detail.

How many pays on that car, Rob?

45,000.

Oh, no.

It's not too bad for a Falcon than the normally I was looking at him today.

A lot of them got, you know, 180, 300,000 on them and things like that.

So I've got a fair way to go yet.

It's not even run in.

Anyway, so after I finished all that, I tucked the car back in to the garage and had to get

my son to help me to put, you know, the actual sheet over the roof and then put the car cover

back over the car and put it back on a hoist and lift it up again, put it back on a trickle

charge.

So done all that.

So it's gone back to sleep for another month or two.

Yeah.

So that's pretty much car stuff.

I hardly got his car serviced.

So had the transmission done on his C63 and had all the, yeah, all changed done to it

and everything else.

So that's running real good.

He reckons the gearbox is running a lot better, shifting a lot better.

That's good.

Transmission service on it.

Is that the seven speed thing?

I think it's an eight speed to C63.

Okay.

Yeah.

What else?

My van's back in the movie, movie studios for a second film shoot.

So keep an eye out for funding your retirement.

Isn't it?

You're sending your cars out to work.

That's right.

Yeah.

I was a bit disappointed.

I was, I had my trailer on local trailer hire, but apparently they have to be registered

now to hire out a six by four trailer.

That's outrageous.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Well, you don't need to have it registered if it's from private use.

But if you hire it, you have to have it registered.

It's $56 a year, I think.

Yeah.

It's not much.

But you, the thing is, if you've got an old trailer, you need to get it done.

Take it out of the way bridge.

You need to put a compliance plate on it.

And see into all that work.

Bit of a pain.

Yeah.

Bit of a pain.

So I just, yeah, that's not going to happen anymore.

And that's pretty much it.

Yeah.

Nice.

Alan.

Not very many car updates with me.

I think the D max is ticked over 50,000 case.

It's still more than the XO six turbo.

Yeah.

And only in how long has it been?

This will be the fourth year in October.

Four, seven ties.

Yeah.

Well, it's funny.

Some of the boys were mentioning that like, look, your, your front ties, they've got,

they were rubbing their hands over the tread.

And I guess these, these are tire fetters.

So I'll take the word on it.

They say something about how, because you can feel between the tread as you glide your

hand over it, that it's wearing rough.

So you should, I should now swap the fronts to the rears and the rears to the front.

Just to kind of even out the wear a little bit.

That's easier said than done because I don't have a hoist.

And, you know, I'm not, you know, as much as we enjoyed lifting up the work D max with

the fork lift and changing the wheels.

I'm not doing that with mine.

So might just take it to the place that did the ties.

Just say, Hey, can you just give me a rotate and balance?

And, you know, ideally they do it for free because I bought the ties off them, but even

if they're short, small amount, you know, that's part of the, that's part of the tire service

chat.

I don't know if there's after care with buying ties from a joint.

I feel there is in some cases, like some of the Bridgestons do offer the, the rotate

and balance in some cases, but obviously you're buying like $400 ties off them at that point.

These weren't the most expensive.

I think all up, I was down about 1300 or 1400 dollars for the set.

So I'm like, Hey, one rotate and balance in between, but at the same time, if it's just a

rotate, I'll take that too.

So I might just take it to the toilet and see what they say.

Apart from that, I don't think I've done anything else with the cars.

Nice.

Yeah.

I think I talked about taking the Subaru on a, on a drive last, last episode that I was

on.

So yeah, just on that.

And then David, I might take you up on the offer of knowing a guy with a, an ozone machine.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

So yeah, the, the treatment, the treatment will call it little aerosol spray.

It didn't prove things a bit, but I think there's still something in there.

Funnily enough, again, given that we have a work DMX, the work DMX also does this.

So maybe it's just something that decides to grow inside all DMXs.

There might be something in the, the whole air conditioning or HVAC system that is prone

to, I guess, allowing some kind of weird mold to grow.

Have you changed the cabin filter?

Yes.

That was the first thing I did.

And it did smell all the time.

Right when you start the aircon.

It's, so when you're running it on research, it'll periodically like a smell kind of come

through and then it'll stop.

It'll kind of fade away.

And then like, let's just say 20 minutes down the road, the smell kind of come back and

kind of dissipate again.

It's really weird.

Yeah.

Same thing happens in the work one as well.

If you don't have these problems, you know, you're bringing this all on yourself, Alan.

I suppose.

I just drove the Honda more.

You're weak, Alan.

You're weak.

Yeah.

With the Honda, I was more willing to drive without air conditioning because I was trying

to hyper-mile it.

So I could kind of do just get baked at 45 degrees, you know.

Windows up as well because I can't have the extra air resistance either.

You're sweating in there.

Die.

Just die.

I decided I would be like, yeah, but my mileage was less than five litres per 100 km.

That's great.

But that's about it for me.

Scott, Jim's got a question to ask you.

No, far away, Jim.

No, actually, Maddie.

Sorry, I might already have this discussion.

I already have the answer.

Yeah, we did.

The blade is looking fantastic.

Sorry.

I already washed it.

So in other words, he has washed the blade.

Yes, he has washed it.

It's had a wash.

The back part had some, I don't know, contaminants that's kind of gone into the paint work.

So it got a bit of a clay bar treatment on the back as well to bring that back and a

bit of a polish and wax on that.

It looked like at some stage because, you know, you can't have nice things.

Someone's knocked into it on the rear, right at the bottom.

There's a bit of green paint.

But the good news is that all came off very easily and there's no marks or anything under

there.

But yeah, I mean, we just can't own anything nice these days.

Can you?

No.

Great.

People have got to stuff you around.

See, that's about it because I'm pretty sure you already know about the handbrake and

all that.

I think that was last week.

Did we discuss that last week?

That's all I've done.

Lovely.

Jim.

So firstly, yeah, like even David had the Honda barbecue, which was really good.

I was also spoiled because I went for a quick ride in Ed's Big Girl and then got to drive

your MR2.

So I was spoiled right on that night, which was really, really cool.

Had a great time.

I'm impressed.

It was a lot of fun.

Probably too much fun.

I was car sailing MR2 as a drunk.

But anyway, high five.

In a positive step, I finally got the magna back.

And it's, we went to the cruise, did all that.

One thing I quite liked was when you go to the cruise, obviously, and you get the ticket

when you're waiting.

The number on it was TR34.

Yeah.

TR could have been just random because, you know, transfer registration.

Okay, fine.

But my grandfather, who had a TR, was born in 1934.

That's a good connection.

Of course, as I parked it in Vico, someone opened their door into my side mirror.

So that was what I was looking forward to.

Jesus, you've had it on the road for like a day.

Not even.

I literally drafted Vico so they just opened the door into the mirror and I decided to

do the magna.

How did you not see it?

But anyway, and then because they've been taking so much time, the next day, the Civic

was going in for a transmission service.

And so it was only there for a couple of hours and it had changed.

And then I had to go off and pick up a package elsewhere, got a little bit down the road

and I went, this is not driving properly at all.

So I rang them back and the person said to me, oh, it's just because it's got new oil

in it.

And I said, no, I've had a transmission service like eight times.

It has never driven like this before.

But I'd already like my arrangements to go and get that package.

So I got that and I went straight back to the mechanic.

And when I pulled it in, someone said, oh, you're back.

And I started to explain and they went, oh, I know what, I know what's happened.

And they put the wrong floor in.

So I then had to put an additive in.

They flushed it out twice and replenished it.

And it then drove home okay and drove to work and back today.

If you weren't familiar with it, you wouldn't know.

But driving at home in the heat today, it was a little bit odd.

So anyway.

That might be transmission related.

That might be.

Just be heat and as old, I know.

But just anyway.

So that was interesting.

What else I was meant to go to.

I was going to take the magnet to the Falka Holden Museum on Sunday.

I'm sorry on Monday, but I changed my mind and I ended up just going through

the scenic drive in it instead, which I used to route.

I used to take to avoid COVID checkpoints.

And yeah, there's a lot of fun.

There's the suspension isn't quite right though.

So I'll have to look into whatever that is.

And a few other little bits and pieces, but that was quite fun.

And I put even though it's spent, I think more time with the mechanic that it has with me,

I've put 1300Ks on it now.

Jeez.

He's really fun.

That is impressive.

Yeah.

And you only got it back like Thursday, Friday?

Yeah, Thursday.

So, yeah.

So since, so it's, well, hang on.

To preface, it's not 1300K since I bought it.

But it has spent about four weeks of the mechanic.

So like early bought it in December.

So yeah.

Otherwise, I think that's probably everything that needs to be mentioned.

So yeah.

It's interesting.

Transmission fluid because I think that just shows that there's probably people,

it might be an age related thing.

I mean the EK, your spec of the, of EK had along with the HIV was the first of the,

the first two hundreds to have the CVT.

Whereas the GLI had the full, the regular automatic.

So they've obviously put the full automatic thing though.

So whoever was working on it obviously didn't recognize it was a VTI and actually had this.

Yes.

When I spoke to the people about that, because for context,

the place I was going to describe themselves as a Honda specialist,

they said, they showed me and it does on the dipstick.

It says to use ATF, which I get.

So obviously the person like you said, David,

who service my car mustn't have done one before and has put that in it.

And I get it.

But then this is why you take cars to specialist cause there's a post to know those things.

And considering this place has done this service of transmission several times before,

you know, cause I can hear the advertising slogans now.

Oh, use a less fuel.

Yes.

But if you have to service it twice as often, it does no point.

So yeah.

But anyway, we'll see how, how all of that goes.

And yes.

And then I think the only other thing I'll, I'll mention as well cause it's just kind

of funny is I was meant to have a, a team's manger about my, my new job when I told them

was me about two minutes late, then they messaged me and said the meeting was canceled because

of other stuff, but there's had to let me know.

So that was great.

But also I sort of know what's happening with that.

So then I checked when they're running the course I might potentially be involved with

and the times they run the course at the time.

So I said I was available.

So I'm a little bit like, am I going to be by myself now?

This is interesting.

Anyway, we'll see how that goes.

A little bit dreading about that anyway.

We'll see how that goes.

I'm sure it'll all come together.

It'll, it'll, it'll all work out.

It looks like Rob and Scotty have had both power failures.

They haven't paid their bills as that.

Hopefully the station has.

It doesn't go out.

Correct.

Chud.

Updates with me.

Not a whole bunch, just a lot of car cleaning over the last couple of weekends.

I got the, the silver out of the garage to just like give it a bit of a run.

I didn't drive it, but I just, you know, just started an idol that and gave it a wash because

it was, you know, do or do another cause at the time.

So did that.

I gave the garage a big clean out.

I threw out so much crap, just, just stuff that accumulates, you know, I threw out my

old bike that's just been sitting there and.

Chad.

Yes.

No, I've got a question.

When I came to your garage, I left, I left a little screwdriver flathead that's got a

like a 90 degree angle.

I have it.

Red handle.

Yes.

I have that.

Did you throw that out?

No.

It's, it's a clip remover, right?

It's like a little, yeah, like a thing with an angle and a flathead.

Yeah, I have that.

It's in my tool box.

I need that back.

Absolutely.

I thought it was either yours or Nick's.

I just didn't know who it was, but it's there.

You can use it while you've got it, but I have used it.

It has come in very handy actually.

Coming back with chunks out of it.

No, no, it'll be right.

I will get that back to you.

I'm with me medjool dates.

And your medjool dates, which are there.

Hopefully they haven't melted today.

Did you actually buy dates?

Have you actually got a thing?

Yeah, there's a box in my cupboard.

In the cupboard.

Because they keep forever, don't they, dates?

Yeah, that's just, that's just bits of sugar.

Just preserved, you know?

Bits of sugar.

That's dates.

Well, I mean, it is, but it's just sugar.

So it doesn't go off.

I wonder, I like them so much.

They're very delicious.

Sorry.

That's all right.

So I did a big garage clean out.

I did a, I did a whole bunch of work around the house.

Just like, you know, cleaning up the front.

We painted the, our front like porch pole.

Cause I was just like faded from.

So there was just faded from like sun over the years.

Yeah.

I've got a cleaning.

Fun stuff.

Anyway, it's not even car related anymore.

What else today?

What's that?

This is not gardening Australia.

Berks back together.

It all happened at the same time.

So I'm just running through it in my head, you know?

And then I had Paul Gatt come around yesterday,

who is the second gen Magna guru of Australia.

And he took stuff off the wagon that I bought for the manual

transmission.

So he got some bits for his cars and we just had a talk about

like what the plan is to do the manual swap.

So yeah, we've got some parts in order and we're just waiting

for those to come in and I'll set up a weekend to get all of

that done.

So it's Magna.

No Magna gets left behind 2.0.

2.0.

Yeah.

Magna won't die.

Won't let die.

Won't let it die.

It's just like let me die.

Yeah.

It wants to die I think.

No, it'll be okay.

It'll be so much better.

Yeah.

I'm really looking forward to it.

So yeah, again, I'll probably have a weekend where people

can come and go as they please and do a bit of wrenching

if they like.

Barbecue lunch.

Barbecue lunch provided as always.

Lovely.

Yeah, that's about it with me.

Lovely.

What about you, Maddie?

What's up with me?

Nothing really much with Magna.

I've just driven a Fairfield.

I drove the MR2 all last week as Jim alluded to earlier.

I didn't even have a driver that.

It's such a fun little car.

It's always good fun to drive.

Every time I drive it, I'm like, oh, I should drive this

more.

It makes you happy.

It's quite literally feels like a go-kart because you're so low

to the ground and everything like you're doing a hundred

KG now, but it feels like you're doing like 200.

It's a fun feeling.

So that's going really, really well.

Jim, I did use the air cleaner in that car.

It works good.

So just literally, you know.

When I had to drive Andrews by his wagon, he let me know who

could he get the other window.

He said, you know, I spent a lot of money having that fix.

I'm like, yes, yes.

I don't know.

He still comments about that.

That's so funny.

One other thing I'll just mention too.

When I discovered that the license plate on the Magna was

originally Dr. Wool, I have figured out what that kind of

alludes to.

So Dr. Wool make sheepskin inserts for hospital beds so

that it's not cold.

Really?

Amongst other things, but that's what they do.

I think you need sheepskin so you can go to that car.

Oh, of course.

I need to speak to somebody about that too.

Yeah, I know a guy.

Moving on.

Like he's got, he's not here for you to hear that.

What else do I do with cars?

I drive the Fiesta, drive the Typhoon, drive the Laser.

Now, I did have in the Forester the air conditioning.

Again, talk about aircon.

I did have that all fixed up because the compressor was about

to seize.

It was that worn out.

And the mechanic said to us, said to me, if you're taking a

long drive, cause I was like, I'm taking it out of these,

like, look, you know, it might seize up on you.

It's pretty munted.

It was so loud.

Like you could, you could hear, you know, it's bad because

the, the forest is quite loud, right?

You know, it's bad when you can hear the compressor over

the exhaust.

Like it was, it was that loud.

And that, and we changed the oil in it and it was just,

it was just munted.

So it's a replacement unit?

No, a brand new one.

Got it through work for like 180 bucks.

Not too bad for that.

And I had to buy some TX valves for it and the like and best

ever been replaced the cabin filter.

Now it feels like this flow, which is great.

But I'm driving it and all of a sudden it was working and

it just stopped.

And I was like, hmm, that's interesting.

So like that's not great.

So then I was pressing buttons, I reset the car and turned

it back on and it came back to life.

So I don't know what's going on with that.

So wiring maybe could be, but like it happened a little bit

on the way back from Adelaide for like a minute.

I was like, oh, and then it came back.

I was like, oh, I must be hearing these, but then it

happened again last weekend.

So I want to take it back to get looked at because, you

know, should be all good.

Hopefully nothing major there.

I did install a Apple CarPlay slash Android Auto Sony head

unit and a reverse camera in, in an, in an accord Euro

CU two on the weekend.

I did that yesterday.

Actually that was, that was fun.

I, I, I enjoy doing car audio stuff.

And like, I'm, I think cause I'm quite good at it.

Like it's like, I like to smash it out.

Yeah.

I really enjoy, you know, wiring and, and, you know,

seeing how things work and, you know, using a trigger wire

and that 12 volt makes that pop on and makes the reverse

camera come to life.

And yeah, like I enjoy running wires and things.

So you don't enjoy working on Mx5D, Matt.

We don't, we don't talk about that.

That was, that was the worst head unit.

That's not because of Matt.

That's because of that ATOTO unit that was so.

The unit went in just fine.

It was getting the old.

The old unit out.

Yeah.

It was like it was fused to the car.

That was, that was, yeah.

We had to, we had to have the roof up to get in this.

Trying to yank the cake, pull it out because it just would

not budge, but, but we got it out in the end.

So, so yeah, installed that happy days.

The person was very happy with, well, as far as I know,

very happy with, with how that, how that came up.

So they cannot have an excuse of, I couldn't,

didn't see that and backing into it.

The car also has beepers.

So just, just like, just putting it out there.

But yeah, so, so that, that was all done.

I enjoyed, I enjoyed it.

And then I said, I said to, I said to my mate,

who I was installing it with, I was like,

I wish I would have done this as a job and he's like,

the money's horrible.

I'm like, yeah, the money isn't great for an installer.

Yeah.

Which is, which is a shame because it's, yeah.

Yeah.

Cause I would, I reckon I, I get enjoyment out of doing it.

Just run your own little boutique business.

Don't work for someone.

Just run it, run it yourself.

You get as the nice audio guy.

The nice audio guy.

I'll make the logo patent pending.

It's all, it's all happening.

Nice audio guy.

And you get a ceramic coat while it's in there.

It doesn't matter.

How is Simpson looking by the way, Edward?

Simpson's lovely.

He's resting in a garage now, but he always very shiny.

Yeah, good.

Yeah.

He liked him.

He liked his sort of, you know, skin peel treatment.

Absolutely.

He had a facial.

Facial.

And a manicure and a pedicure.

Yeah.

Manipedi facial skin peel.

But anyway.

Bit of Botox.

Bit of the tox, yeah.

Dr. Wall is available just to change the topic slightly.

Oh, good.

Yeah.

You can order that back if you want.

Yes, I know.

I just need to figure out which.

You can be Dr. Wall.

White or white.

White and white.

Cheap.

I think I need to continue.

No, and that's pretty much it for my, for my updates.

We're going to get into tonight's topic now.

Edward, I know you've got to go at eight.

So.

But that's okay.

You can continue without me.

The podcast will run.

I know.

But, uh, so I asked our, um, our esteemed audience of three,

including my mother, uh, questions.

Hey girl.

Yeah.

Any questions that you've had to, you know, you wanted to ask

that car related.

Um, I got some funny ones, which, um, we probably won't say

because they're probably not appropriate for podcast.

Uh, but we did get some genuine questions and one question is

from Luca Candello on Instagram.

And he asks the best car to learn a manual as a beginner.

What would be the best car to learn manual as a beginner?

So he's just learned how to drive a manual.

Um, he's, he's got his motorbike license as well.

So, so he's, he's gotten quite good at it.

I taught him how to drive manual in my laser when I knew I was

replacing the clutch.

So I was like, well, it's already month at anyway.

So, um, just before I changed it, this was last year.

Um, you could, you could have a driver and I taught him how

to drive it.

And he was driving around and he really, really enjoyed that.

Um, but he asked, what would be the best car to learn manual

as a beginner?

What do you think it would be?

Now there's some, I think I was always going to say something

small, um, like four cylinder, uh, that's got a light clutch.

I think that's probably the easiest way to do it.

But then I was having that thought.

I was like, well, maybe not.

Maybe you need to learn something a bit harder that way.

You can, you can, um, you know, learn to, oh, this is what I,

if you could drive that, you can pretty much drive anything.

That's it.

We'll put them in the 18 speed crash box on a semi.

Yeah.

You gotta learn to float gears there or you learn nothing.

A road.

A road ranger.

Yeah.

Sorry.

You've got to come up from the other way.

I think you start with the lightest and simply because the

dynamic is all the same.

Okay.

Regardless of what you're driving, it's just that.

And the hardest bit is making the car, you know, moving the

car offline.

Once it's rolling, it's, it's pretty good.

Yeah.

True.

I reckon an 8K Civic or a Jazz.

Well, what did we all learn to drive a manual in?

My own manual in a laser.

You were a laser?

I, I technically the first car I would have learned to drive a

manual in was the highest van.

We just had this one time.

That was like a one go.

My uncle gave me a go on his Mazda six again, one go, but, um,

the biggest learning vehicle for me was the old Rexie.

Yeah.

That was a self-taught situation.

I probably wouldn't do it again.

Sit on the podcast one night.

You hadn't driven manual when you bought it really.

No, no.

So I, I think I had one lesson in a Corolla, which I do value that

because the, the trainer, he was actually a decent trainer.

He was certified.

It was a real lesson.

Yeah.

It was a real lesson.

Not like how your parents or your uncle's teachers are like,

yeah, they yell at you.

Yeah.

Cause he was able to vary succinctly and clearly explain the

friction point to me.

Yeah.

And from that point on, like I had no difficulties moving off the

line.

It was with the, the Rexie particularly, it's with all manuals,

but particularly with the Rexie with the drive frame being all

drive.

If you weren't more, like it's buttery smooth with it, it was

more like they shunned you.

Um, and that's why I wouldn't recommend something like a Rexie.

I, I, the thing that came to mind was like a Mazda three, two,

three or a laser scan apart.

You, because even when I hopped into the laser, when we stopped

cars that one time, I was expecting a bit of a kind of more

difficult run of it similar to the Rexie, but it was so easy and so

smooth.

Yeah.

Just because you're dealing with, you know, uh, like I said, a

small engine, a small transmission overall, just a tool drive.

You've got your best chance of kind of progressing forward to

kind of learning what the car wants, what it doesn't want

before you kind of grab for that, you know, like grab for that

road ranger gearbox.

Yeah.

No, I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm with you there.

Like I learnt, I learnt manual in a KH laser.

Uh, that was ended up being my first car.

Um, yeah, it was, it was, I learnt to, I was bunny hopping down

the street for the first, you know, few, few times as everybody

kind of does.

Um, then I proceeded to ride the clutch like you wouldn't believe.

Um, but that was okay because I, you know, it was, the clutch was

on its way and I was learning anyway.

So yeah.

And the clutch was super light and it was, it was quite easy to,

to learn in.

So I think for me that was, that was, you know, being, being a

learner, I think that was a good kind of learn on.

So yeah, I think learning in a, in a small car, I think helped,

but also like, I remember after learning in that car, the next

manual I drove was actually like a 2006 or something Honda Civic.

And the clutch, I remember this because I, because Ratner was

like to me, do you mind taking this car out of the, out of the,

out of the workshop, just park it.

And, and I looked at the cluster and it was like, it would have

been a relatively new car, but it had like 200,000 kilometers on

it after like three or four years.

It had been driven this thing and there had, there had virtually

no clutch and like my foot was all the way at almost at the top

of the, the pedal.

I'm like, what the hell?

This doesn't feel anything like my laser.

So, so yeah, I proceeded to rev the car and Ratner just looked

at me like, what are you doing?

I'm like, I don't know.

I can't get it to go into gear.

Okay.

It's not going anywhere.

So, so yeah, that was, that was a fun, fun time.

But yeah, I think, I think something small and something easy

and relatively low-powered because, you know, you don't want to

freak out as well.

Like, you know, low power helps a lot.

Correct.

Yeah.

And, and you jump all over the shop and stuff.

So I think something low-powered like a Mazda 2 or a Yaris or

actually, I would suggest not a Yaris because I've found that the

clutch is a bit lifeless.

Okay.

And I think even on redriven, they said that too, that like

figuring out what the bike point, especially if you're learning

is quite difficult.

You can make an adjustment to them, but just, yeah, the early,

like I think the first and second gen is not a lot of feel.

So, and yeah, I think fine class, a lot of feel is good.

But yeah, the Yaris in terms of size and power, yes, but there's

just not much feel.

So it's hard to find it with the bike points.

It's probably nice to have something that doesn't have an

electronic throttle as well.

They can be a bit harder to match.

So if you've got a nice old mechanical cable, like you said,

everyone else said, you know, small, light Japanese usually

or a gets or something like that.

It gets us great.

Just a bit analog and mechanical is good.

Series 1 Land Rover.

That didn't have second gear because you have to double clutch

into second because there was no synchromesh on second.

Not just weird.

Yes.

Yeah, that's how they were those old Land Rover.

So everyone used to chew out second gear because no one knows

how to double clutch drive them properly.

Double clutch, no granny shift.

There was no second.

So you go first to third in that car.

That's how first to third.

Yeah, but it had high low range, of course.

So when you're in low, you know, first to third is still quite

doable.

And what was your first manual that you drove or learned on?

Mine.

Yeah.

Yeah, that.

The 56.

It was Land Rover.

Yeah, it's not mine car.

It was on our friend's farm, but yeah, it's still there.

Series 1 Land Rover.

So pretty old school.

And it's cool that those friends also had an XY Falcon 500

wagon.

I spent some time in that.

And I remember the first time I drove that would have been maybe

12.

And, you know, first is sort of towards you, I think in

doubt.

Yeah.

Was that three on the tree?

Yeah, three on the tree.

And so I remember taking off like you let the clutch out and

they're like, all right, you're going now.

And then.

And then I was like, why is the car moving?

Like I wasn't on the accelerator, but of course flat ground.

It's moving.

I was like, why is it moving?

I'm not even pushing accelerate.

Why is it moving there?

Like you're in gear and they're laughing at me saying, cool.

Of course it's moving.

You're in gear.

And I'm like, I thought it only went when you pushed the

accelerator.

And then you go.

I didn't realize it was a.

Yeah.

I think.

Dual motion.

Yep.

Dual motion.

So those were the first two.

And you know, if you sort of forget the hang of those two,

you're pretty right with everything.

That's that.

They're two very agricultural vehicles to learn a manual on.

David, what did you learn a manual on?

You say something like an F40 or something.

No, I won't.

The first humble I drove on the road.

Were completely illegally.

Actually, it was a Ford Anglia.

My car.

That's quite.

Yeah.

That's light.

Yeah.

Yes.

Very long.

I remember didn't drive it far.

I was too scared.

Scared he kept from Ballarat.

Then I had a brother that had a.

Bought a 77 Civic brand new in 78.

And I had a hot car.

And I did have some couple of early driving lessons in that.

I remember driving it back from.

Oh, sorry.

Hills or somewhere on my L plates.

I hadn't had my learners long and just botched it up.

Because they're quite early civics.

They were quite tricky to drive smoothly.

They weren't.

They improved a lot over the years.

But the first ones were not.

It was never a really simple car to drive.

But I got my license.

The one I drove the most was the one I got my license in big.

And I went with the driving school because they had a brand new 1980 front.

We'll drive Mazda three to three.

Ooh.

It was like something from out of space.

Well, not quite, but you know, pretty impressive.

And we know you're going to go.

But what was he saying?

Boxing kids.

Toxin.

Yeah.

So I thought they were pretty cool.

They were front.

We'll drive like the Honda.

And it was very.

Spacey and specky.

And they actually came out before the laser.

The laser came out in 81.

I think 81.

Yeah.

So this was, I got my license in March, 1981.

But yeah, this Mazda had was, you know, six months old by then.

I suppose.

That would have been pretty cool.

It was very cool.

Alan, obviously learning WRX.

Chad, what did you learn in the very first time I drove a manual car?

It was my friend, Bayharn's mums.

She had an IRA.

It was his mom's car.

And it was this like pale yellow RA 40 silica.

Oh, get out.

It was so cool.

It was such a cool car.

That's awesome.

Anyway, if Bayharn's listening, he'll listen later and he will be very mad about this.

Because it reminds him of when his parents sold that car and just, you know, it went for nothing.

Anyway, she let me drive that car in their driveway just up and down.

Just taught me how to drive, like, you know, get off the clutch to like find the bike point and all that.

And so that was in like year eight.

Oh, sick.

No, no, it wasn't.

It was year nine.

Sorry, because it was my first year at my new school.

And then the first time I ever drove myself.

So I hadn't driven manual since, well, I was 15 until when I got my license at 18.

And then I went and just bought a manual car, which was my Nissan Exo.

Oh, sick.

So I bought that car.

Bayharn was with me as well.

And we went and picked it up.

And I was like, you know, I was trying to like act cool in front of the guy that I bought the car from.

And I was like, yeah, no worries.

Thanks, man.

I just handed him the money.

I've got the paperwork and all that.

And Bayharn's like, you're all right to drive it home.

I'm like, yeah, I'll figure it out.

Anyway, I hop in the car and we're in Brunswick and we just got to go to North Melbourne, which is not far.

But I stalled probably 50 times and I just bunny hop through traffic the whole time.

And it was just, but it was a trial by fire.

And it was like, this is just, you just teach yourself, right?

You got to do it.

You got to get home.

You got no right side.

You got no anyone else that can drive it.

Yeah.

So that was my first manual car drive.

Yeah.

So made myself do it.

Absolutely.

What are you Jim?

The first car I was in, I knew no one who had a manual.

So I had to go down the instructor route and he had an 06 Elantra where the,

I found it very hard to find the buying point ever.

He was also an interesting instructor.

Cause one time I was approaching around about, there was some pedestrians.

So I slowed down, but he accelerated to cut them off.

So that was it.

What the hell?

Yeah.

I know.

So that was that one.

And then I ended up going with a different instructor who used to be the person that would

actually assess to a Vickros, which he'd moved from Vickros into being an instructor.

Did you two proceed to like, why don't you kill, run people over?

No, she was much, much better.

Her car was very boring.

It was a TN Berina, but I used to steal, I used to, sorry.

I used to store the Elantra a lot, but never stole the Berina as boring as it was to drive.

Yeah.

But I would actually argue that I reckon my madness quite a good car to learn actually.

And at the last owner, that's what he learned to drive a manual on.

And I think like, cause my name is got a lot of feel and it's, I think it's fairly forgiving,

especially if you don't rush it when you're standing.

Again, I think it's obviously one thing that isn't too powerful,

but also has a lot of clutch feel, I think is probably the best way to move forward.

Yeah.

Cause it builds confidence.

So, all right.

So to answer your question, Luke, I think something's, I think we've all come to the conclusion

of something small, cheap, preferably front wheel drive in Japanese, I think.

It's kind of like, yeah, what the general consensus.

Yeah, honestly, those like EG, EK Civics and stuff, they're amazing.

I had my Civic and it was stock.

It was the easiest car to drive in the world.

Yeah.

It was incredibly easy.

The cable, the hydraulic hop gear shift too, as much, you know,

much has a lot more feeling to than the later ones that even the jazz actually.

So it's over.

Yeah.

That's true.

And your gearbox is back then.

So there you go.

Luke Candello, there is your answer.

He's got a really cool page you should follow as well.

He's learned with Luke, so he's learning to fix motorbikes and things.

So give you a bit of, give you a bit of a shout out there.

Next one is from Matthew James, who says he's like, Hey, hey, my name is Matthew on Instagram.

He's like, why are curved lines actually bullshit on cars?

So he's a very boxy fan of box, boxy car fan.

So he's like, why do you think they've all, they've all gotten to this point?

And then he proceeded to add a quote by Giorgetto Giugiario.

He's speaking Italian.

Curve lines are actually bullshit.

The interviewer elaborate on that.

Giugiaro, no.

He's like, no, I will not elaborate.

I will not elaborate.

So he's very famous of doing the Mark 1 Golf and very square lined cars.

I think a bit of a, bit of a cool, interesting character, typical Italian, very Italian.

Can you elaborate?

No.

So would you agree with, well, well, to answer your question, why are new cars curvy?

And I think it's got a lot to do with crash safety, I'd say, and how they can probably conform more.

But I don't know if I have a definitive answer on that, gentlemen.

I think crash safety is probably a big part of it.

Having to make cars bigger to then therefore make them have it, have a big car, but that also doesn't look massive.

If you have curved lines and makes it a bit more contained, it makes it look smaller than it actually is.

Because if you just had, if they made a Volvo 240 now, it would be just a giant brick on wheels.

Like it would be, you know, it would basically be a house.

So to not have that, you have to have some sort of curvature to the, to the design.

But they still make, you know, there's like the new Santa Fe, for example.

That's, that's a full square car.

It's just bricks on bricks.

There's the, what's called the cyber truck?

Cyber truck.

It's just sharp angles like a ruler.

Yeah.

Yeah, exactly.

So I think there's some still out there.

The Kia Tasman would pass me on the freeway today.

And it looked like it was made out of Lego.

I mean, it's, it was as blocky as all blocky, blocky.

Yeah, yeah.

I had a look at them close up like a couple weeks ago.

My God, they're like, like, every angle.

There's not a good angle.

It looks good.

Yeah.

It's just every like, like, maybe there's a redeeming factor, like a redeeming angle here.

No, there's just not.

I was struggling to find one.

Like, I really want to like the Tasman, but, oh man, you'd have to like, it's hard.

You'd have to have a good deal on buying one to get one new.

You'd have to have a good discount of about 20 grand, I'd say, for, for me to be like,

you know, yeah, that's, that's a good buy.

So, but yes, to answer your, to elaborate on what you just said, David, yeah, that is,

that is quite a blocky design.

So it can be done.

You know, I think it's come into its age, like, especially cars at the moment are really emphasizing

bringing back the 80s, like the end vision and stuff that, that Hyundai have done.

And, you know, the, I even really liked, I was talking about it before the, the Ionic 5.

I think that's a great looking car.

And that's quite a squarish car.

Like it's, it looks like a refrigerator on wheels and, but a good looking refrigerator on wheels.

So I think, I think, yeah, I think it's definitely doable.

Yeah.

I think there's a bit of nostalgia factor to wishing for cars was still more, you know,

boxy and square, right?

I think people just kind of maybe long for the days that you could buy just, you know,

sort of simple design cars.

And that's why people appreciate them.

What was that, David?

They're a bit retro now.

Oh, yeah, they are.

Yeah.

Yes.

Some of the, some of the curves on cars these days, they just go overboard.

There's just too many.

Like I was looking at, I'm looking at you, Honda Tucson and the, what's the key of the

sportage, you know, the new sportages, even the headlights have got curves in them.

They do.

Yeah.

Curves in them.

So, yeah, yeah, I'm a bit of a squary from my back, literally and figuratively.

I would agree.

Yeah.

I think crash safety, but again, that might be a bit not really a thing now because they've,

you know, they make everything out of plastic and they all crumple.

So I guess they could bring squares back.

And Jajara would be, would be a very, it'd be like bring the squares back, bring all the

lines back.

And, you know, people like, do you like it?

You know, they liked that whole retro vibe.

So, or aesthetic, I should say.

I tell my, my art kids not to say vibe in their work.

I say, I say something.

So I got to start.

The vibe is bad.

Yeah.

If I see vibe, I just rub it off their work and they're like, what do you do?

I'm like, I said, aesthetic.

It's aesthetic.

So, okay.

I sound like a, like a really mean teacher.

Yeah.

The slight deviation from the crash safety though is it might also be it's easier for

cars to pass pedestrian safety requirements if the car's rounder than if it's squared.

Yeah.

I mean, ignoring dual-carbs and Silverados for a second, because for some reason they

get away with it.

But in terms of like typical SUV's that could be part of it.

And obviously I would imagine it's significantly easier to beat aerodynamic if you're rounder

than if you're squared.

That is true.

Yep.

I'd agree with that.

Yep.

Yeah.

So, look, I think, I think they're quite valid reasons as to why, you know, that's the,

that's the case.

But I'd be hoping to see more and more second, more, more cars coming along.

I think that would be, that'd be definitely well, well worth it with, with, you know,

a bit more squary designs.

Changing the norm too.

Right.

Yeah.

It's funny how you and I do that, but then they also do the Ioniq 6.

Yeah.

Like, you know, it's.

Yeah.

So, I mean, there isn't, there, there is aerodynamics at play as well.

I was actually doing drag coefficient.

Yeah.

That's going to be actually doing some research into the original insight the other day for

Honda.

And yeah, that's got an incredible drag coefficient, but it's got that the back narrows at the back.

That's part of the stick of that car.

And it's also a fashion thing.

So you do find that over, that goes in cycles.

So, you know, the 80s were square and blocky and, you know, the 50s, there are a lot of

cars that were really swoopy, you know, like, and then sort of where, where it does go in

cycles too.

It just depends what is, you know, cool in Europe.

12 months ago.

Cool in Europe.

Watch Europe.

See what they're doing.

Yeah.

I think that's a really good point.

I think we'll, we'll hold that point there because that's, um, yeah, it'll be interesting to see

what, but I mean, we've discussed this point before, like fashion, cars like fashion, everything

comes back.

Yeah, it does.

And, you know, I think boxy cars are, you know, they've got their place.

So like, and if talking drag coefficients, like Mercedes 124s had a really good drag coefficient

and they're square.

They are.

They had one of the best, if not, I think the best at the time when they're available.

Um, so did the jelly bean, which was like the, um, the first Ford Taurus, which is still a square

box in a lot of ways, which, you know, if you, if you do it smartly and cleverly, you're

able to, you know, to make that, to make that work.

Interesting.

The 124s actually narrowed the back as well.

They sort of scoop around similar to the inside, you know, the, I'm not even about the track.

The track, the track, I think the front is wider too.

Interesting.

Really.

Yeah.

The backs, the backs do swoop in, in the kind of curve in at the back and yeah, it's a,

it's a cool thing.

Last question for this evening before we get into the quiz is from Vivian at Vibes on

Instagram.

She asks, should I buy the Cherry Tigo seven pro?

It's almost half the price of a brand new RAV four.

I currently own a RAV four, but I want to update this.

It drives okay, but can we trust it?

Is this a car or a phone?

Very good.

It is the new Cherry Tigo seven pro max.

I believe it's, it's the, it's fully loaded.

It's same size as a RAV, but half the price in, you know, for what you get.

Can we trust it?

Like to come with a big warranty is a few in my work car park.

The lady that bought one that, um, I was, there's a lady at work, um, asked me about

this, this same car last year.

I was like, oh, take one for a test drive.

But you know, I'd probably, I don't know if I, if I would rocks up the next week with

a brand new one.

She's like, oh, it drives great.

It does everything I want it to do.

And I'm like, okay.

This is, I mean, to be fair, she wasn't coming from much.

She was coming from a, a hold in tracks, which was, which she bought also brand new, which

was falling apart.

Um, with like a hundred thousand cars under the whole calling system was munted.

Well, that's, that's enough work for that tracks.

Yeah.

Rest in peace.

Um,

Make tracks to the record.

I reckon.

Yes.

I think that is very much the case.

But Vibbs or Vivian asks, she is like, do we trust it?

And should she buy the, the Cherry Tio seven pro?

Um, it's almost half the price of the RAV drives.

Okay.

But can we trust it?

What would you guys think?

Like half the price is, I mean, it's a big, it's a big ass.

Like it's, it's a lot of money.

It's not, it's not insignificant.

And in terms of depreciation, it's going to, what if she sells it in what after warranty,

after what five years?

Um, it's in, I think they're in the thirties or, or, or, or, yeah.

I think they're early thirties.

I think they're mid thirties.

Um, you know, considering to get a RAV with similar spec, you're pushing 60.

They just present really good value for money.

Yeah.

But I just don't know about keeping one for the longterm.

I think are they seven or 10 year warranty on those seven?

It's got to be at least seven, right?

Let's just say it's seven because a lot of other manufacturers are now offering seven

as well.

I think that, I mean, that's obviously quite competitive.

But again, it's one of those things like, would you, do you trust that car to keep a

pass warranty?

And if you were to like, they haven't been around long enough.

I know cherry has, but that particular car and that setup platform hasn't been around

long enough for anyone to like, durability tested, I think.

And you know, someone's going to take the plunge.

It's one of those things.

Someone's going to do it, right?

Someone's going to be like, all right, I'm keeping it after warranty.

See what happens, right?

They might have an amazing time.

Like they might have a great experience of it never breaking down or they might have

everything under the sun.

I feel like it's case dependent.

Yeah.

I think, well, I think looking at the prices like a TGO seven pro SE, you know, isn't it

actually is named after a phone in the 20, in the 20 grand in the high 20s and ultimate

is 32, 8, 8, 8.

So like that's crazy cheap.

Like I'm reading some of the views by like, for example, car experience after they giving

it, they're giving it a 8.1 out of 10.

They said great value enjoyable to drive solid, et cetera.

So yeah, I don't, I don't know.

Like, I guess the value for money proposition is ridiculous.

And you know, if that's the case and if you can't quite start, I mean, she's a big Toyota

fan.

So would you, yeah.

It's a difficult question to ask in a way.

She's asking the wrong group of people.

Yeah.

We look, I don't think any of us see we'll get excited.

None of us are, it's not an enthusiast's car.

There may well be enthusiasts for them in years to come when they're proven themselves and

people have got, you know, memories of growing up in them and driving them and all those sorts

of things.

That may well be the case, but I'm a real fan of the heritage, the legacy brands obviously

that are still around.

Will Cherry still be around in Australia in, in seven years to honour the warranty or eight

years or 10 years to honour the warranty?

We're getting, we're still getting a lot more new brands coming in on a couple of the

motoring websites and there's three or four coming in that I've never heard of, you know,

that they're already promoting on Instagram.

I did see, there's a new smaller Jku, I think it is, a five and for the launch price is

36.9, everything in it.

And if you squint, my goodness, it's a dead ringer for a Range Rover sport, you know.

Take the badges off and like, I think the neighbours be pretty impressed as well.

You know, it's, yeah, I just don't know they've got the substance or the longevity, you know,

but ask me again in 10 years.

Well, I want to say this, Cherry doesn't have, I mean, Toyota, like if you compare it to

a RAV, Toyota has got the best support network in the country by a country mile.

Yeah.

Like you go anywhere, there is a Toyota dealership there, you know, like you're stuck in the

middle of Ship Creek, like the ad says.

Yes.

And there will be a Toyota dealership there.

And I don't think there'll be a Cherry dealership there.

So I think in terms of that, Toyota is going to win.

In terms of reliability from all accounts, Toyota as you guys are, they hold their name

on their reliability.

That's right.

So they hang their hat on their reliability.

That is what they're known for.

They're not known for the most being the most extravagant to drive or look at cars, but

they will get you home.

Toyota will get you 99% of the time.

They also, they will hold their value.

The depreciation, the big one.

But in the Cherry's favour, it's got 30 grand to depreciate.

So like, you know, you could, you sell it in, you know, let's say five, 10 years, if

you hold it for that long and you've lost 25 grand, it's, and you compare it to a RAV,

the RAV you might have lost the same, if not more, but the RAV will still be worth more.

It'll still be worth 40.

But again, you could be like, well, I've got all these features and I've used it for

five, 10 years and I'm, you know, like, oh yeah, this was good.

I put 150,000K on it.

I can just update to another one.

Keep getting my warranty and pass it off to some poor bloke that will have it completely

full apart.

That's fine too.

Yeah.

So, you know, it's a hard comparison because they're two, the cars are the same, they're

the same.

But yeah, it's a tough question because the price range is just so far.

It's, is a, is a rough for 30 grand more car.

I don't think it is.

Like, I just don't think it is.

I think it's the external factors of that car, of a RAV being a Toyota and having the

dealer support, having parts available, having the, you know, that sort.

But if you smash your TGO and then you want a headlight for it, it's going to be pretty

hard to find.

It's probably going to have to come from overseas.

And some Toyota's might, you might experience the same thing, but the chances of it, you

know, they've probably sold 200,000 of them over the last few years.

You'll, I'm sure it'll be easy to find a part for a RAV comparatively.

Well, she's talking about the new RAV that's about to come out.

Oh, new, new, new.

Oh, okay.

Yeah.

Wow.

Kind of the same thing.

I think, but like, but in terms of like, I think about like parts availability, like

we've heard some MG's, I think Jim and I, you and I were talking about this, like some

MG parts for after, after a collision or like a breakdown and waiting for months.

Yeah.

Months.

Yeah.

It's like a European car.

Yeah.

It's like quite the European car.

So, you know, you just don't get that with a Toyota 90, but 9% of the time.

Yeah.

And just, isn't it crazy just talking on that point that the world we live in when we're

talking about essentially paying double to buy a Toyota badge.

Yeah.

About Mercedes and BMWs, you know, is it worth buying it for the badge?

You know, well, now we're talking about Toyota's bike.

Well, you could do the same comparison with a GLC and a RAV4.

And then you're talking about again, maybe 50 grand on top of the Toyota, right?

Yeah.

And then is it 50 grand more car?

It's not.

Is it 100 grand more?

I don't know.

That's a tough one.

It's a hard one to answer.

But I think like you touched on as well, the other factors to weigh in is how long are

you keeping the car for?

Yeah.

You know, if you're doing 10,000 kilometers a year, you keep it for five years, nothing

goes wrong with it.

Well, then you probably come out financially to better a position.

But if you have a collision that isn't serious bits in an awkward spot and then you haven't

got a car for several months, are you going to enjoy that decision at the same time?

So and also like, sure, they drive well now, but what are they like in 18 months?

Yeah.

After going on Victorian potholes?

Well, yeah.

I mean, in terms of your question, like I drove one of the first MGs to come here, the ZS.

My God, that was a terrible car.

That was one of the worst cars I've ever driven.

And it was a brand new car with like a thousand, I think under a thousand kilometers on it.

I then proceeded to put over like a thousand, like I think I was put 1500 Ks and I drove

it from Sydney Airport all the way to grafted and back.

Yeah, Jase.

And my back was cooked in that car.

Like I could not get comfortable.

It wasn't it wasn't exactly a nice thing to drive.

But anyway, that's beside the point.

The point the point was, I then I've just driven recently a, you know, and this was six, six

years ago, I drove that.

And now I've, and last year I drove a Val H6 GT.

And in six years, I was at the same company, but like the change is huge.

Like that car drove so nicely and well, you know, had everything you needed.

Yeah, it's not perfect.

No car is.

And it still feels cheap in areas in terms of tech and things like, but I had everything

it's got heated and cooled seats.

It's got this, it's got that, you know, and to get any of that in the say a European car,

you're spending a well over a hundred grand.

You know what I mean?

Which is, so then it's because Toyota is in the weird spot where they're kind of the

middle ground now, if that's the case, you know, which, which I don't think they've ever

had to be in that, in that kind of, in that kind of category before, like it just makes

no sense.

So yeah, I don't know what the answer is, is for this one for Vivian.

But, you know, I think if you're doing the value for money proposition, what in terms

of a kit, what you get, check tit for tat in terms of model specs and ranges.

Yeah, if you're getting a lot more in a top spec thing for 30 grand less, you know, and

you're happy to go for it and say, yeah, I want to keep it for five years and move it

on up to five years.

Yeah, absolutely.

Go, go the, go the, go the cherry.

But if you want a bit more of a long, longer term proposition, I think, I think the rev is

definitely the way to go.

Would you agree on with that?

Yeah, one of the things I want to echo on is, like David mentioned as well, like these

brands haven't been here for as long.

And given the amount of influx of brands that are coming in to the market, it's such a risk

to be like, I'm going to buy this car and hopefully the brand will be around in 10 years

or seven years if you're going to keep it long term.

Yeah.

So just you're taking that risk because Australia is pretty brutal with car brands.

You know, we've kicked out on, we've ended, I guess, sales of brands that have been here

for ages as well.

I mean, Cherry had a bite of the cherry previously and they got, and they didn't last.

To be fair, this time there, they've come back with a vengeance and they're kind of doing

all right.

But you know, it's, you know, Opal didn't last, you know, all these companies, like they come

and go, like it's.

Yeah.

And then you're stuck hold on the bag.

If the aim of the game is to keep a car as long as you can, I would just do the Toyota

hands down.

Okay.

Because you're spending the extra money, but you're buying a reliable car from a reliable

car company.

And if you, again, you're planning on driving this car to the wheels fall off, which hopefully

don't, you'll probably have it for a solid amount of time.

But if your plan is more short term where you're like, I'd like to be in a different car in

five years, that's a short enough period where if you start seeing the writing on the wall,

you can kind of get rid of the car.

And because your overall investment is a bit lower or significantly lower, you're kind

of, even if you do sell it, let's just say at 10 grand or seven grand by the time you

get rid of it, you're still aren't that hard done by, but it's just, you're weighing out

that risk of, well, what will the reputation of cherry and everything else be at that time?

Will they be exiting the market?

Like I personally wouldn't take that risk, but I'm happy keeping my car long term.

So paying that extra bit of money, like as David said, to kind of, we're also not, for

the most part, enthusiasts of, you know, your standard, like family car, even though we can

be, but I guess as people that still have cars that do, you know, a lot of the family

around, we would still either, I think, try and go for a legacy brand that kind of has

that reputation or possibly by used car, again, of that legacy brand, which is saving you

that extra bit of money that you're not willing to spend, but you still got yourself

taken place onto.

Well, I wanted to add to that point too, because cherry, like the earlier motors, I don't know

if you guys remember that, that there was a big news article, one of the lady was driving

hers with like piss all K's and she hit a bump, the whole back axle, like it cut off

like weather at the weld.

And after the spoiler and and the welds were so poor.

Like I was like, geez, how did that, how did that get through like crash testing and

and all the likes and you know, and everyone's like, oh, that's what we get for buying a

Chinese car.

But like, you know, this was, this was like last year or the year before.

This was a cherry tomato.

It's probably why they, they changed the motor to its own, it's the only kind of thing to

try and drop that thing.

But yeah, the, you just wouldn't get that in a Toyota.

You know what I mean?

Like, and that risk, I mean, big, big companies do weird things too.

And I'm not saying that Toyota and Ford and Honda and all these companies haven't made

mistakes like, like they all have, but like stuff like that, like your fundamentals,

Toyota kind of gets really right.

And I think, and I think the new R4 that's about to come out looks really good.

Like they've got it in America.

And I think it looks a nice looking car, especially in the GR trim.

It's kind of a sporty looking, sporty looking thing.

In terms of performance, it's better.

They all come as a hybrid or plug-in hybrid, the new ones now, which I don't, which the

cherry doesn't.

So if you want, if you're wanting that kind of option and you're wanting a tried and true

plug-in hybrid slash or hybrid option, I think the RAV is definitely the way to go because

Toyota has been the masters of hybrid, you know, drive since, you know, the early 2000s

really like nailed it since then.

So I think if that's your, if that's kind of what you want, you know, spend the extra

and go for the hybrid.

But yeah, as you said, if it's like a five to six year proposition and you're going to

flog it off and get another one, maybe the cherry is the right thing, the right way to

go.

But don't be surprised if you don't get the best treatment at the dealership, et cetera.

Not say that you get treated bad there.

It's more, you know, parts and stuff.

So yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, when Jim and I were looking at cars the other week, we saw a cherry come off a

trailer, you know, like someone's car that was broken down.

So, you know, it was not saying it, but saying it at the same time.

Yeah.

You know.

That's never a good look.

So I don't know.

I'd probably, again, I'd go spec for spec.

I'd check what you get in a top level slash a base model and see if you can, a base model

or a RAV to a top spec and, and, and guarantee the, the cherry will have way more in it.

But do you want fuel efficiency?

Do you want all these extra things that come with a tried and true platform in the RAV

four?

And do you want your service ability and your platform to be available everywhere?

You get that when you buy a RAV four.

So again, if that's what you're going for the RAV four, if you want to just to flog it

off after a couple of years in my eyes, go to the cherry.

And again, have a quick look at used RAV fours.

If you're years old, you may be able to get yourselves to a comparable price to the cherry.

It probably won't be exactly the same, but a comparable price.

And then you're still used in a reliable car, but you're still not paying, you know,

the full brand new price.

I want to add the last bit to that.

The RAV four has got one of the highest resell rates out of any of any car.

Like, you know, people were able to sell the RAV fours for more than they paid for them.

So like that they hold their value.

Oh, yeah.

They're the least depreciating car probably.

They hold their value incredibly well.

So if you're worried about money and holding its value in a few years time, I think definitely

the RAV, like that's in terms of like a value proposition for longevity and for resell,

the RAV got to be hands down.

Jim and David and Chad, are you guys on board with that?

Yep, completely.

Yeah, I think that's good.

That's a good way to weigh up the difference between the two cars.

Yep.

But if you're flushed and wooed by all the bells and whistles, absolutely go the TGO.

I think that's definitely worth it.

The other thing I might just mention quickly, because I know a lot of people are often swayed

by warranties and stuff, but warranties are only matter if the manufacturer decides to honour it.

If you go down the process of challenging them along every step of the way, then the

warranty hasn't paid for itself in any way, shape or form, so just bear that in mind.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

We'll keep it there for the questions until next week.

So, but yeah, there you go Luke, there you go Vivian and there you go Matthew.

They're your car talk discussion points that we've answered for you.

Hopefully that helps you and makes your decisions better.

General, I think it's time for the quiz.

That's right.

We have lost Rob and we have lost Ed and we have lost Scotty.

I lost, as you know, Scotty and Rob too.

Power failure.

It's funny because in the group chat here, when Scotty went, Rob's like, Scotty must

have paid his bill, then two seconds later Rob goes as well.

It was comic justice.

Yes.

As bad as it is to say about committing justice.

I think that was, that was well, well deserved.

All right.

So let's get into the car quiz.

Now it's 10 questions plus and bonus questions.

These are all Aussie related themes in reference to Australia Day, which happened

to yesterday playing for the illustrious award of bragging rights and to add to

potentially tallies.

So I've got everyone's tally, the winners list.

I've called it, which currently David's winning because he's on one.

So do you want, do you want to score check David on that?

About a hundred percent ahead of you all.

Stop showing off.

Yeah, he's showing off.

All right.

Question number one.

FPV Ford Foreman's vehicles made a FPV version of the Ford territory.

What was it called?

Chad.

It was the F6X.

F6X is correct.

Chad.

Well done.

Buying this question, how many killer wasps did the F6X produce?

Alam.

270.

270 is absolutely correct.

Alam.

Well done.

It had the F6 Typhoon motor, which is 270.

The actual full name of the F6X was the F6X 270.

That's the proper official name for it, but everyone just calls it the F6X.

It's in the name.

Question number two, the TRD Orion.

It's actually, it's, it's auto corrected to the TRD auction was, was available with two

model specs.

What were they called?

David.

Prisara and Prodigy.

Incorrect.

TRD.

Jim.

One was SL.

That's correct.

That's one point.

Oh, the TRD Orion.

The TRD was available in two specs.

What?

So he said SL, which was the top trim.

There was also another trim.

I think Chad was still, I think Jim was still.

So what did you say, Jim?

The other one was S.

Correct.

So it had S for your base model and SL for like your full Luxo spec.

Question number three, which Holden Commodore model featured its first fuel injection system?

David.

That would be the VK?

VK.

Correct.

A Mundo.

VK red motor, which was the first time they offered fuel injection.

Right.

Electronic or?

Electronic injection.

It had a return on it.

It did.

And it lasted until the VL because it didn't make emissions.

So they had to get the...

So it was pre-RB, right?

Pre-RB, yeah.

So that got them through to getting the RB and then the RB took over, which was a much

more refined engine than the old Holden thing that was around for a very long time.

Question number four, what was the first Holden model to feature a turbocharger?

David.

David just got in there.

I think it was the Holden Piazza.

I think you're correct.

The Holden Piazza.

Are we going to say that, Joe?

No.

I completely forgot about that.

Most people need you.

Yeah, that is correct.

Score check.

David, Jim on two, Chad Alamon on one.

It's a close game.

Anyone's game.

Bonus question.

What was the second Holden model to feature a turbocharger?

Jim.

Was it a VL Commodore?

VL Commodore is correct.

So the Piazza beat the VL by like three or four months to get turbocharging.

Oh, interesting.

So it was the Piazza turbo, then the...

Did the VL release with a turbo option?

I think they did.

David, you know, when the VL came out originally,

did it have a turbo straight off the bat,

or was that a little bit later?

From memory, I don't think so, but I could be wrong.

I always assumed that was something that like came as a sort of running change into the...

But I might be wrong.

Because it came in 86, the turbo.

So I'm pretty sure VL started 86.

So from what I researched with Holden, the Piazza was...

I have a customer that could tell you the day, the day.

It's very specific.

Yes.

I think the Piazza was June, and then...

Wait, no.

April, and then June was the first of the VL turbos.

Oh, okay.

I'll have to find out that thing I found.

So, I'm not sure if it's correct or not,

but Wikipedia reckons the turbocharger one was watched six months after release.

Okay, there you go.

There you go.

It could have been 86, technically, but it could have been six months after the release.

It could have been late 86.

It could have been early Christmas present.

Early Christmas present, yes.

Here's a question for Rob, but he's not here.

The Leyland P76, one wheels car of the year in what year?

Geez.

David.

I'm going to say 1974.

Incorrect.

Alan.

I'm going to hit what above or below I want to go for.

Yep.

Okay, give us a go.

We'll go 1973.

1973 is correct, yeah.

Thank you, David.

He always does a Bradbury this guy, doesn't he?

Question, bonus question.

What engine size did the V8 have?

Chad.

3.5 liter.

Incorrect.

Good guess, though.

David.

So, David, did you say?

I think Jim was next.

Oh, Jim.

Jim.

Was it 4.3?

Incorrect.

David.

Sorry, Jim.

It was 4.4.

It is 4.4.

That is correct.

That is 4.4 liter V8.

And that's the car that won the V8.

It won with the V8.

It didn't win with the 6 because the 6 wasn't particularly great.

Bones.

Is the weight the same?

Yes.

Because it was aluminum V8.

So, as in a lot of previous sort of cars,

we had a 6 and a 4, a 6 and an 8.

The 8 was cast iron and just changed the whole dynamic of the car.

But it didn't with that cast.

That's partly why the V8 won.

Rob.

He backs that car all the way.

Bonus, bonus question.

How did the P76 get its name?

Where did its name originate from?

Jim.

Was that the name of the project when they were designing the car?

I'll give it to you.

It was called Project 76.

Well done.

Next question, question number 6.

Halfway, still anybody's game, gentlemen.

What was the first locally car produced to feature a turbocharger?

First locally car produced to feature a turbocharger.

I'll give you a hint.

It's not the VL Commodore.

Locally produced car in Australia.

First Australian car built with a turbocharger.

Chad.

Was it a N12 Pulsar?

Not an N12 Pulsar.

No.

Good guess, though.

Good guess.

You could have said exoturbo and stuff.

Exoturbo.

They could make them here, but it's not.

David.

Was it a Ford laser?

It was not a Ford laser.

I thought it was a laser white lining, but this car proceeded.

Jim.

Was it an XT Falcon?

It was not an XT Falcon.

They did do, I think they did an XE Grand Prix, Dick Johnson edition with a turbocharger,

but that's a sick car.

It is not that either.

I'd breathe it out.

Go on.

Let's see you do it now.

I don't have anything for this one, unfortunately.

Just say an Australian built car.

You might get it.

Say a very obscure one that was possibly not Australian originally, but let's just say

that.

I know like a Gemini.

No, not a Gemini.

Sigma Turbo.

Oh, what?

Sigma Turbo was the first Australian car to feature.

Was it like 82 or something?

1980 or 81?

Far out.

Yeah.

It proceeded the white lightning, which I think was next.

And then I went to ET turbos and stuff like that.

So yes, the Sigma Turbo.

There you go.

Told you it's Aussie related questions tonight, gentlemen.

Question number seven.

The first Magna cost how much dollar he dues to develop in Australian dollars?

God.

I'll give closest to you.

I'll give closest to you for this one.

Where's Andrew?

I'll just hang on.

I'll just channel Andrew.

You got to do that.

Receiving transmissions.

This is hi everybody too.

He said hi.

He's just a great man.

Hello to you, Mr.

Roosevelt.

I'm going to do.

Oh, I'm going to embarrass myself out here.

It's in the millions.

Okay.

Yeah.

Don't say 376,000.

No.

You've got to be miles off.

Just quickly.

I'm assuming that you're using how much it costs at the time.

Correct.

Yes.

I want to do 35 million.

35 million.

It says it.

So remember this car was already based off another car and they widened it and they

did things.

Oh, yeah.

I forgot about that.

That's that.

That's a solid guess because it's not it's not cheap to develop cars.

Jim.

150 million.

150 mil.

Says Jim.

Alan and David.

Come on, David.

Alan.

I don't.

I don't think it was.

I'm waiting on the wisdom of the group.

Elders first.

David's wisdom is coming later.

That's it.

It's post show.

You know what I'm going to say and I don't know why, but it's in the back of the deep

dark recesses.

I'm going to go 300 million.

My head turned.

You probably right.

I think.

Alan deep.

Yeah.

I'm going to go.

62 million.

So.

Alan surprisingly gets it.

Just by the way.

So the answer was 50 million Australian.

Oh, geez.

So, so I'm at 62 beats you just chat at 35.

Daniel Alan.

Splitting the differences.

You're going to get a lot of the wisdom of the group.

I don't think it did, but you know.

It's 50 million dollars was a lot back then to do what which was with extra

extra width.

Now the bonus question here is how much extra width did it over the car?

It was based on David Prince.

65 millimeters.

65 millimeters is absolutely correct.

David Prince.

That's that's Andrew.

Just a quick question next time.

Just be careful how you place your arm.

He did that.

It's okay.

Luckily.

It was very, very diagonal and very, very.

Luckily.

I'll be a little bit.

Yes, a little bit.

It's just the audio podcast.

Fortunately.

It's all the video.

We'll do a video for this episode.

David's cancellation.

He had to forfeit his one win in the bank.

You'd be happy about that.

Wouldn't you?

He would be very happy about that.

Bonus bonus question to the back to question.

What does Magna mean in Latin?

Oh, damn it.

I used to know this one.

Learned about this on the trip.

We did.

We learned about this on the trip.

They mentioned it in the speech too.

Yeah.

Is it like the wind that carries or something?

Not quite.

Alam.

Is it like great?

I'll give you.

I'll give you a point five because.

All right.

I'm thinking of Magna Carta from.

Jay Z.

That's that.

I'll give you a point five.

David, I think you were next.

I was going to say large.

Large.

It means big.

Yeah.

So it's a great will be.

I would have taken it.

But yeah.

Give you the full point there, David Prince.

Question number eight for two points.

What are the years the Chrysler Charger was built in

Australia?

So if you give me the years and I give you a hint.

It's in the 70s.

David.

I'm going to go.

There's only two years.

You sure about that?

No, no, no.

Sorry.

I should rephrase that the years.

A start and finish of its of the Charger.

So I'll get the starting year and the finishing year of its production.

1970 and 1978.

You've got one point there, David Prince.

One point.

So I'll give you.

Which one does he have?

Doesn't matter.

You've got to work it out.

I can't say you're going to let you guys work it out.

Alam.

Okay, I'll do.

1971 and 1978.

That is correct.

Alam well done.

71 and 70.

Does Alam get one point?

It gets one for that.

Because the other one was already.

Yes.

Because the other guest was going to be 1970 to 1977.

You've done well to get to get a very lucky.

You're only picking up scraps over here.

Thank you, David.

Question number nine.

Which Ford Falcon sold the most units in its production run?

Jim.

XF.

XF is absolutely correct.

XF sold the most.

Which is surprising because it got rid of the VA.

So they sold more.

I think it was fleet sales predominantly.

Yes, predominantly.

Yes, they sold.

It was done.

Yeah.

They sold a fair few.

Where have they all gone?

Where are they?

There's one in my work, actually.

A gold one with the Fairmont wheels.

Not the Fairmont gear was the Fairmont wheels.

Yeah.

All right.

Not peak forward, I've got to say.

They weren't a great car.

It's cool ladies though.

It's cool ladies, yes.

But I've got a theory.

I'll get to the theory after the last question as to why that was the best mistake Ford ever made.

Ford Australia ever made.

I'll tell you why shortly.

Question number 10.

To improve the impossibly incredible AU Ford Falcon.

Ford invested how much into the Falcon to create the BA sales?

I'll give you closest to Jim.

Was it a billion dollars?

A billion dollars.

One billion says Jim.

I'll give you closest to Jim.

Is that a real guess Jim?

It is a real guess.

Well they have a lot to work on.

They did, yeah.

Chad, I'll do 500.

You know what?

Chad, I'll give you the point.

It's 500 on the dot.

500 million dollars they spent to improve.

Yeah.

The why I'd guess 500 is because it was in a time where things were getting much, much more expensive.

But they still had, because it would cost a billion dollars to develop a new car at the time.

But they had the middle of the AU to then just go off, right?

They still had to change a lot.

So a new engine, new drivetrain, you know, drivetrain, all those.

Yeah, those.

Suspension set up like just so much.

Absolutely.

You were spot on Chad.

They, the, if you look at AU to a BA, essentially the doors and like the middle section is exactly the same in terms of the sheet metal.

Insides were different.

But the front and rear ends are different.

Suspension is different.

Engines are all different.

Rear ends different.

Like it's a completely different car underneath.

What do you reckon it costs to develop just the Barrow engine?

That's a great question because I think a lot of that would have went into creating them.

Like a third of it, surely.

90% of it.

Yeah.

$500 million to create the BA Falcon, which was a monumental change.

It's awesome.

I mean, they could just hold on a billion dollars to do the Zeta platform for the, the VA.

Oh, yeah.

There you go.

It's called the billion dollar baby.

Yeah.

And that was a whole new car from scratch from the VZ after the A is right.

Which is, um, yeah.

Incredible.

So, you know, you know, I, it was very hard to improve the AU Falcon.

Let's be honest.

It's, it's a, it's already God's perfection.

God's chariot.

That is the car quiz.

You know, let's add up the scores.

Chad on two, Jim on three, four, five, Alam on one, two, three, four and a half.

And tonight's winner on one, two, three, four, five, six is David Prince.

Well done.

David Prince.

You are the Australian.

This 10 question quiz.

There's usually a lot more than 10 points to go around.

Well, what's the bonus questions?

There was a lot of questions.

I feel like we need a standardization of points to live.

Alam, if there was no bonus questions, we would be on zero.

I realize that.

I'll allow that, but I'm saying, you know, it should be a standardized quiz each time

that has a certain amount of bonus questions or a set amount of bonus points to award.

Just say some, some has got a 20 points.

Others go to 16.

You know, we're going there.

Alam, are we?

Are we going there?

I don't want to say the words, David, but I'll say it, shenanigans.

That doesn't sense you who are waiting for half the answers to come and say you can change your rules.

Yeah.

There's nothing wrong with that, sir.

It's in the spirit of the game.

I believe Alam.

Don't hate the player.

I hate the game.

You said that line to me numerous times.

Don't, don't have to play the game.

And, uh, but, but to be fair on the winners list, David's down on two and Alam is still

the other score.

So I'm with the rest of the pack.

David's the outcast here.

If you're not your last, you're not first.

You're last.

Yeah.

Correct.

All right.

So David, does anyone you want to thank?

Oh, I, in the time on a tradition, I think I just want to thank myself.

You just got to go out and have a go and do it and, you know, record real out all those

memories of all those years and stuff.

Years are tricky.

I always struggle with years.

You're very close.

70 and 78 was, was a good guess.

Yeah.

I really think for years, but what got me, I wouldn't have got the Sigma Turbo.

I would have said laser white lightning is what I would have said.

But the Sigma Turbo just, just pipped it.

Yeah.

I can still go doing CL charges with the, with the CL nose on them.

When the Sigma was coming down the production line at Tonsley Park.

Absolutely.

That's a contrasting car.

The Peter Warritt edition.

Remember that?

Yeah.

That is a quiz.

Now I wanted to add to that last point that I was making about the XF.

That was the biggest mistake that, that was Ford's, Ford's best mistake ever.

And I kind of want to, I kind of want to make a video about this too, but like,

because they discontinued the V8, they had to really focus on the six cylinder.

So come EA, they had all these new overhead cam engines.

Come EB, they had, they had a performance version of the, of the six cylinder because

that's all they had to do that.

Cause like they had to compete with Holden.

If they had not done a performance six cylinder, there would be no F six and bar

engine.

And I think that was the best mistake that they made because that's,

it was a mistake.

It's not selling the V8, which they, which they went back on in, in late EB,

but the best mistake that they made because they introduced the performance six

cylinder, which went on to become the barrel later on.

Yeah.

So you're saying like if they did a performance in the X series,

all at the XA XF series falcons.

No, I said getting rid of the V8 was the best, was the best mistake.

Oh, sorry.

Yeah.

Because like they had to do something.

They accidentally stumbled into making FPV basically and like making the,

the barrel turbo and stuff.

The old XI six is like, like the EB XI six and stuff.

They were quicker than the V8.

Yeah.

Right.

That came, they were around the time.

That's crazy.

It's nuts.

It's absolutely nuts.

But that's, that's a true story.

And I generally think that, that big mistake was probably the,

one of the best things that ever happened at Ford Australia.

Pay it off later.

Gentlemen, that's, that's a, I think it's a podcast.

It's a podcast.

Good job.

Uh, David Prince, Words of Wisdom.

Life is like a camera, Matthew.

Focus on what's important.

Capture the good times.

Develop from the negatives.

And if things don't work out, take another shot.

Oh.

There you go.

I think that quote may come from pre phone cameras, but anyway.

I like that.

That's, that should be a T-shirt.

That's a good one.

Rich magnets are.

Rich magnets.

Chad's Magna, uh, gearbox swaps.

Uh, yep.

We're also doing Magna, uh, wrecking now.

So any of Magna needs you.

Uh, yeah.

I know a guy with a Magna wagon that could possibly need a few things, uh, on this podcast.

I know a guy.

No, a guy.

Matt, Matt, he's knowing guys.

He's knowing guys.

That sounds a bit weird.

Guys that that seems to know everything.

You get a drive of the V six.

Teddy.

No, I haven't.

Did you go in it when I drove around the block?

Uh, no.

No, I don't think I did.

I've got to have a going on.

Maybe I'll end up V six.

Well, that would be cool.

Jim's, uh, car taking, uh, would like to have a disclaimer.

Make sure you have seat covers because he will get hot in those seats in the summertime

because he doesn't, he will not use your record.

So, so make sure that the, uh, the seats are, um, are covered.

Oh, just give me a car without aircon like that.

Yes.

There you go.

See, so Jim, I'm going to ask you, would David's Magna, his manual V six wagon with

power steer, no aircon be your dream spec Magna?

Um, yeah, pretty much.

I think that's about, that's about like race.

Yeah.

I can see him in like, in his, in his bag, they're just like pressing the gas button

on the, like to take it all the gas at his aircon ripping, ripping it out.

It's like, oh, I need this.

Aircon delete.

Aircon delete, weight reduction, race cars.

I have, I have considered it in the UK.

It was like a power steering delete, but then I went nuts before.

Jim's car taking, um, if you want your car exercised, he is, he does kilometers.

Sorry.

Uh, you know, you know, you know, you know, man, Jim, Jim will sort that out for you.

Jim will do it.

Jim's doing it cause, cause, cause Rob's not doing it clearly.

Um, and Scott, he's got no go through the week cause, cause he did not make it the

end of the podcast.

I'm deep.

All right.

Now with all the new, particularly am I?

Weirdly gone out.

I was glitching.

You're full, you're full matrix.

CC fees from a shut me down here.

They know, they know what you're thinking.

They do.

I was going to shit talk.

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with their electric cars, if you don't want to be the one holding the bag when, uh, you

know, they go bust, hit up our good man, Rizzy Ross at carloop.com.au.

He's a man in the know when it comes to electric car space.

He can let you know which one might be a lemon and which one might be, you know, more of a,

what's a good fruit, Maddie?

A rock.

Mandarin.

Yeah.

I like it.

Yeah.

Nice.

Naval orange.

He's, he's also the man that I want to come to new car prices.

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