Magnus Math & the $500K Porsche Draft – Half a Mil, Three Cars, No Regrets (Yet)

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All right, well, you guys, and you guys got to remember, I mean, this, I'm getting up at 530,

and me getting up in my current condition is like a walrus trying to un-beach itself.

So it doesn't happen easily. So I finally get to my desk, you know, in my disabled state.

Thank God my wife pours me coffee. She tries to cheer me up with my Lamborghini cup,

and I was like, it's only going to cheer Tim up, not me.

So it's a lot, but I'm here. I'm like, you know what? I need a hat to make me happy.

So I love Hill Country. You know, Steve McQueen line, you know, like everything,

you know, racing his life and everything in between is just waiting.

That is me with rally. Well, I'm waiting for you to stop talking so I can let you know that we've

been recording already, and we officially started the podcast. As you should, because like I said,

I think the gold is here, but yeah. So listen, this is Tim Harris. I'm here with Paul,

Casey, and Dave, and this is your favorite weekly podcast. Paul challenged me to start the

recording prior to the actual show starting because sometimes that's where our most interesting

yammering actually commences. Even though today we just heard Paul Belly aching for not quite having

enough coffee in his system, but listen, this is going to be a fantastic podcast. We work a ton

on the content for this week's show. We have a lot to talk about. A lot has happened since the

last podcast and just to review with you guys this week, we're going to be talking about

what we did and or what you did in cars this week. We're going to get to listener

questions. And Dave, thanks for reminding me that we promised to get to that right

out of the top of today's show. We're going to talk a little bit about automotive news.

We're going to hopefully usually don't get past the fourth question, but what three modern 1999

or newer Porsches would you buy with 500 grand? That was a good topic. We have to get to that one.

I agree with Casey. I agree. Too much time spent on that. Okay, I agree. So let's have a

goal and we at least get through question four. Are you guys in with me on this one?

I don't know. All right. And then if we get past that, which we probably won't,

it will be this week in auctions, which is always fun that we're going to get to Casey's

point, which he's had up here for like, I don't know, 16 years. He wants to talk about spoilers

or wings would be a fun topic. We get I deleted all those pictures. So we're not going to get to

that one. Yeah, you might being that I deleted all the pictures. Oh, I have the picture somewhere.

Okay, new goal. I'll have to be like the top of the you will have to definitely plan ahead

that we're definitely for sure going to do that because I gave up on it like Casey.

Okay, well, I put it back in. So if we get to it, and I probably will try to push through

segment six just because you guys aren't prepared. So that would be fun to watch.

You squirm on camera. All right. Point number seven is bonus best modern Porsche from 959

forward. So that any further delay? Paul, what did you do in cars this week? And I know you are

on the mend. So we're not expecting you to have climbed Everest. No, no. I mean, I

sat or Sunday evening or late afternoon evening was my first big outing. And it felt so great

to get out. I didn't really load a lot of the pictures. But I'll come back with them while

some of the other people are talking. But basically went to Matt Farrah's house. And

it was, you know, really just sort of getting to see all of my car friends,

people I get to spend time with on the mountain stuff like that. There we go. There's Matt and

there's Jay Ryan. Tons of pictures like that. And it was it was a cool event. Matt always has a

neat event. He has a very cool group of friends. And it's a mixture of automotive journalists,

people that you would know, some people in the entertainment music. But just the funny thing

is the undercurrent is car people. And my wife and several of the spouses I thought would go

nuts, but they actually enjoyed hanging out and talking cars. And probably the best conversation

was Johnny Lieberman, Marco Gerasi of TLG and myself got in one of the most heated conversations

about cars that if you could have had a microphone on, I mean, if you stood near us, you just

would just bounce off of the orbit of our heated conversation. And then the best part was Jeff Glucker,

who's automotive journalist, he comes up to me and Marco, because he's he, you know, he writes

for all kinds of magazines, but he's not a Porsche guy, he's driven Porsche has done some reviews,

but mostly every other kind of normal car. And so he's like, Okay, guys, you know, I've got

like the Porsche nerds of all nerds sitting here, he looks at me and Marco, he's like

964 or 993. And Marco and I in unison said, neither. And then he just was baffled and we were

dying laughing because Marco, who works on him and I who sell them, you know, it's sort of like

if you know, you know, so that was really the highlight of the weekend. Yeah, Paul, it's,

you know, not all of our listeners, because we've picked up a lot of folks, and we added

1000 followers on Instagram and the podcast is going through the roof. Not all of them know

about what you just went through. And we shouldn't assume that they do, but I think a lot of them

would actually like to know what you're referring to. And I'll tell you what, Paul just got out of the

hospital for having just an absolutely, I don't even know how to describe it, but terrifying

experience. So there I teach you up. So as my doctor, the orthopedic oncologist said,

it is going to be like a bomb went off in your, in your left side of your body or a truck

ran over you. End of April got, you know, pain in my hip. And by the way, this is for anyone out there

that has pain that they just are going to chalk up to being older and arthritis. Go check it out.

Thank God I did. Had a hard time getting my left leg into the car and we're lifting up,

went and got a MRI, long story short, found out there was a very large tumor in my pelvis.

It was cancer. Nothing like being told you have cancer. And even though that's something someone

else gets and we were shocked, it turned into a procedure called a hemipelectomy where they remove

half of your or third of your pelvis. And then you get the bonus of a free hip replacement and

part of your femur and all that at the same time. But which results in a five week hospital

stay should have been eight. But you know, I've been aggressive on PT finally got home on Friday.

Pain meds have not kicked in since I got up this morning, but it isn't everyone's like,

oh, you get great pain meds. Literally, it just turns the volume from 11 down to 10,

a lot of pain. But you know, what is it? You know, no pain, no gain, character building,

so forth. So right now, everyone's like, Oh, you'll you can't drive a manual yet.

Manual transmission will come. The big clincher is one of the doctors we met with beforehand said,

I will never drive a sports car again. Like, I mean, he my wife looks at him, he's like,

you don't understand, this is an acute hobby. Like this is a profession. It's a did you tell

him to shove his Prius up his ass when he said that to you, we then decided he wasn't our

doctor. He was he was quietly fired. The only good thing was we got a prescription of pain

meds out of them before we left. Thank you very much. So yeah, and that really is the big question.

I wear this crazy brace because you can't I can't bend my hip to my torso more than 90 degrees.

And this brace I have keeps it from 180 and 90. That's it. So the next time you get in your

911 or any car, just imagine, try to imagine you can't bend your hip more than 90 degrees.

And well, let's let's full circle. Let's full circle this. You had a successful operation.

You've got a really bad ass piece of titanium custom made kit in your body.

I'm cancer free, cancer free and salt more salty than ever. And you are going on your first

rally coming up. You want to go on your first rally and he is Paul is formally begging anyone

be at an automobile manufacturer beat anybody local that's listening. The brother needs a ute.

He cannot get in and out of a low, you know, low slung car. He needs a ute. Ideally a Porsche.

He threw his Volvo up there. Well, this is my wife's fold while I bought her new last year.

And it actually wouldn't be a bad choice. And while people were inebriated at Matt's thing,

they somehow convinced Jennifer that she could have my tortuga green 911 if I borrowed her

Volvo XC 60. And then once everyone sobered up the next day, I don't think I want the

response. It's not even about her bothering using my car. I don't care. I don't want

the responsibility of damaging hers. So I literally rented this 2021

McCann sorry to Dave based McCann hard to find GTS is but in the end of the day,

this rally is a nine is a seven or eight day rally 1999 and older. We just want

you know, they're they're vintage cars. I don't need fast. I want decent handling.

So this is just a placeholder I can cancel within 72 hours of the rally,

which is October 9th. So if someone else has a better idea for is that an s is that an s Paul

or is that a base four cylinder 248 horsepower? It really is fine. It's perfect for any that got

a 2000 mile limit, which the rally should be just about that. So you're stepping on my

begging for you, brother. So what is that you're looking for? You're looking ideally for

like a Bentayga, you would be great at a bright purple Urus. I mean, what are we

rocking out here? Anything that is handles well and is fun to drive that's SUV based in a sense that

I can get in without bending more than 90 degrees. Now, and if you happen to have his favorite car

a 90s Escalade ideally black with a couple bullet holes in it and some 20 inch at least

24 inch chrome wheels with tiny little tires, that would be actually ideal.

And then you have the stickers like, you know, not for rent or higher TCP

livery. Yeah. So anyway, all right. That's why I did. All right. So

finish up your cup of coffee. I know it's the crack of dawn out in California.

Casey, what did you do in cars this week, my friend? I want to go on the record and

saying that Jeff Glocker is one of my favorite automotive journalists out there.

He and I used to do beer exchanges back in the day, which reminds me that I'm well

overdue for sending out another something from the East Coast. But not a tremendous.

I've not done a tremendous amount since our last podcast. The one thing I did do was put

about 120 miles on the 964. A bunch of friends and I cars that I've had hands in the car that

Dave put the interior in for me and a 996 that I just finished up some work on and haven't

put many photos up yet. And my buddy Joe that works for Porsche and his 65 Beetle.

We all went out to a brewery out in the mountains of Virginia. It's a great time.

Car ran flawlessly. No issues at all. So excited to put some more miles on it. Still

trying to wrap my head around a 600 mile round trip to Lufth in the car, which

still trying to wrap my head around it. So that's where we are.

Whether it's going to make it or not. No, I'm worried about worried about me making it

in that car for that long. Come on. That 600 and 800 miles in my in my 964 and got out

and it was beautiful. I just trying to get a rise out of both of you. I did 4500 miles in another

multiple states and countries in a 86. So well, since we're talking about comfort and

seats, I'll tell you guys a funny story. It involves Matt Farah. So we had our 718

Spider RS stored at his place. This was two car weeks ago, not this last one with the one before.

I'd never seen the car before. It shipped directly from Texas out to him. And then I also shipped

out and this is the part that's kind of funny. Seat cushions for both the driver and the

passenger seat with the sports seats. And I always, I had the lower back issue with those

sports seats for me as the real deal. Anyway, so he opened those up and I'm telling you

the look he gave me when he, when I arrived there or when we showed up and he realized

that I should be rocking the sports seats with the the seat pads on with something I'll never

quite get over. I'm still, I'm still licking my wounds from that. So there's my suggested you,

Casey, consider getting some seat cushions if you're worried about the seats.

Okay, so Dave, what did you do in cars this week? And a couple of fun, fun things.

The one behind me right now, we have been working kind of behind the scenes. I mentioned

last week that we were talking, we're working with the folks in Charlottesville on their

Porsche Restoration Challenge entry. And this week we were wrapping up some work we did with

Hendrick. It's all interior stuff that we're doing here on their entry into the Porsche Restoration

Challenge, which is an 87959. That actually was the test mule for General Motors against the

Corvette. When they bought the car, it's an 87. They brought it in to test it. The car's only

got about 2000 miles on it. Apparently it has two different speedos that have different mileage on

them. They couldn't deal with the kilometers. So the GM guys had to get a miles per hour

speedometer and they stuck that in there as well. But after it sat in a warehouse for years and

years and years, GM gifted it to Rick Hendrick. Not a bad gift, but I guess probably when you

do the volume and you're Rick Hendrick, you know how it goes. So they get this car and

they're entering it in the Restoration Challenge. And while the car only has 2000-some-odd miles on it,

they were 2000-some-odd hard miles on it. So you can imagine the amount of stuff that they were

ripping in and out of this car. And certainly up front they pulled out all this carpeting.

And so our task was to replace and create a new carpet kit for this front section here on the car.

And if you knew these cars, this section at the back there were the, you know,

back by where the shock towers are there. It's all molded. And it's all actually molded with

the carpet. It's got like a rubberized backing on it. So we had to come up with some crazy stuff

on that to get that all sorted out. But I had to go up there and actually do the final,

believe it or not, I actually laid my hands on a razor blade and started cutting away on this

thing. So yeah, so I went up and helped fit that. So that was part of my week. And then, of course,

the other part. Did you get to drive it yet, Dave? I mean, I've driven other cars.

I'm 59s. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And I will say. Come on, Tim. I mean, have you not driven a 959,

Mr. Furry? I haven't. We have one that we have here at the shop that is, it's a local client

who has a white comfort as well with a burgundy interior. And that particular car drives like

a stagecoach. I was told when I was up at Hendrick, because I asked about him, because I asked if this

car drove as badly. And most of the issues are that apparently there's two sets of dampening

shocks on the top of at each corner. And one of them that controls some level of bouncer,

it might be the up and down adjustment on the car. I think that's what it is,

it fails over time, and it screws up the rebound. And all of a sudden, you're driving down the road

and you're, you know, you're like this. And I was thoroughly underwhelmed by it, unfortunately.

So that's that's been my experience with 959 driving. How about you, Paul? You've driven,

I'm sure. Yeah, I drove one that had was bought at auction at the Atlanta

Pecla auction years ago, went straight to Tony Callis, who's probably the one of the best West Coast

guys to restore to stock. Did a one or two year six figure refurbishment. The seller,

the owner, who's such a sweet person lives here near me, he drove it straight from Tony Callis

after spending seven figures for the car, six figures to restore it two and a half years of waiting.

His trip from Tony Callis stopped at my shop, and he begged me to drive it. And I and I could

not say no more. I said no, no, no, no, no. And I ended up driving it. And was it a hero car

issue? You didn't want to drive it because you thought you'd be disappointed? No, it was

the fact that this guy it was his dream car to that he's waited all this time. And you know,

if you've been around Tim's been in Orange County, Costa Mesa is not the best driving test

circuit, especially for an afternoon, you know, 4pm in the afternoon on a Friday,

there's just nuts. And I am absolutely stricken with fear, because I know Murphy's law is

hanging around the corner. Long story short, went for a test drive. We talked about in the

chat, how this sequential turbo, if you're not used to, it's literally like this handshake,

you know, where it goes, it does the low turbo, whatever. And then it just sort of goes, here

you go, and then you grab the other turbo. I would love to spend more time, but you could

tell that the 993 turbo is just the 959 refined for normal use. This is kind of like a segment

four thing today. Yeah, sorry, I'll skip it. Yeah. Yeah, I drove it like you underwhelmed and scared

to death. All right, I just think I did real quickly. Hang on one second, Tim, because I do

want this video to circle back around the that right there, which you got to admit this was

for Tim, the minute I saw this thing, it was like, holy cow, I got to get a picture of that for

Tim. This is Florida, right? Is this Florida? Is this actually up in Potoskey, Michigan,

which is an absolutely gorgeous part of the world that I have spent the last couple of

Labor days in. And it's just beautiful up there. But that particular thing, the minute I saw it,

it was like, I'm rushing down to the dock to get a picture of that for Tim. I guess it's a LaFerrari

watercraft, right, Tim? Well, so for those of you who are listening only, because we have to

make sure they understand, he's showing me, showing all of us a picture. You guys definitely

watch us on YouTube or Instagram. But it's basically somebody really looked like they spent

a lot of time and effort to make a boat look, I have to say really close to a LaFerrari. It's

pretty incredible actually. So yeah, there you go. I mean, who on this podcast wouldn't rock that thing

up in Michigan of all places? Of course you would. I mean, I'm sure the boat registration said like

Pompano Beach or something on the back of it, but it, I just saw that and I just saw all of

those 90s girls gone wild videos just flash before my eyes thinking like, if they had

access to this kind of watercraft, I would have sent it to a new level. But Tim, you just sent

us all a picture and there's nothing like that. Yeah, so that tell us what's up.

The reliant? Well, okay. So what I did in cars this week and I, and thank, well, let me just,

so for the first time in probably a month or two, we took our Ferrari 296 GTS, which is

going to tee us up perfectly for our first listener comment, by the way,

Ferrari 296 GTS out on the road and I totally fell in love with it again.

Now that we've decided we're not going to get the best diale, we are feel giving ourselves permission

to start using the Ferrari without worrying about the miles. So that is what we're starting to do.

I am trying to scheme up the perfect scenario where I can pick Zoe up from school

in the Ferrari and pull off that scene from Ferris Bueller.

Oh, it's about to say you got to do it like cue the music.

But she'll be she'll be mortified and it's perfect more mortified the better.

So that's one thing. Second thing is the two, the Ferrari, I'm sorry, the Triumph TR two, I'm going

from a freaking talking about a modern Ferrari to a 1954 Triumph TR two. Thank you, Dave.

That car literally just got dropped off by reliable carriers in our driveway. So that's

pretty exciting. I actually haven't seen it. So that'll be kind of fun to see.

That's a bring a trailer score. So that's really cool. And I also spent a lot of time,

we'll have two other quick announcements. And I'm only mentioning these things because

all other people out there listening or watching are going to relate to what I'm about to say.

I love SIM racing and not SIM racing has been playing a video game, but I had an actual

professional SIM racing rig built and installed two years ago. And the guy that did it is Oliver

Norris from cool performance, cool performance.com. You guys should check it out. But Oliver

Norris, you might recognize the last name. That's Lando Norris's older brother and Oliver

has built race Sims. This is the reason I chose him is he doesn't usually deal with

dopey consumers like me. Most of the Sims he built builds are for actual race car drivers.

And he built, I think for the top, at least this was two seasons ago. I think he had

like half the top, uh, Formula One drivers using his Sims. So here I thought you were

going to say Chuck Norris. Sorry. No, no, no, no. I know you don't pull a formula

on the case. He's impressed. I promise you. Yeah. So that's the other thing.

And SIM racing, if you've ever done it before, it is, I would say from having driven on tracks

that I've raced on in the SIM mid Ohio in particular is where I got my sports car license

and an open wheel car. It's definitely not the same because you don't have the fear of death

that you do in real life, but it is probably 90% the same in terms of, um, in terms of technique.

And anyway, I racing, and if you've ever thought about getting into SIM racing is

exceptionally fun and really does satisfy a lot of my need to go driving, which isn't really,

you know, placated here in Puerto Rico. And the last little bit is the, uh, they are,

well, I'll skip the, the, well, okay. So my, my, my daughter and I have decided that we're

going to start a go cart team because they're building a track that's near here with real

go cart, um, you know, real electric go carts, basically not the, the type you'd see in malls,

but these are ones that were building idly. They're the real racing carts.

There's gonna be four classes. So if any of you've got any go cart racing experience and how to,

I've got done go cart racing in the past, but if you, I've never tried to get a kid involved.

So if any of you have any parental advice on how to get your kid involved, especially a little

girl in go cart racing, she says she wants to do it. Let me know. I'll certainly appreciate

the parenting advice. So there we go. Moving on. All right, guys. Did I get everybody? I did.

All right. So let's go on to the next question. Dave, I did have a question in there,

but we can circle back. I want to ask you more about the interior stuff, but we'll go back to it

or maybe make that a question for an upcoming podcast. And I'll just tee it up for you guys to

think about maybe this little motivate you'd ask questions as well. You saw the Davis restoring

the interior of a 9 59. Um, and he does a lot of it really incredible interior work. I personally

am curious about what, why a singer interior, what is the, what are the materials that

they're using? Why is it that, you know, German square weave carpet, is it made of wool or is

that just a myth? I want to know all the little details that we've all heard for the last, you

know, few generations that might just be urban myths about interior stuff. If that motivates

you for questions, definitely pose those to us in, uh, Instagram. That is where we're getting

most of the direct messages. All right. Let's get to, um, use, let's get to listener

questions. And I'll read the first one because frankly, it validates, um, proves that you guys

were all wrong on the little survey I did last week. So I'm, I'm obviously going to use that one

first. I don't, you guys, are you guys reading the DMs that we're getting on Insta? Oh yeah,

a little bit of stuff. Good stuff. All right. Well, then I mentioned, I noticed you guys,

you're not mentioning or rep responding to the ones that are clearly Ferrari fans.

All right. So this is from the legendary P nine, uh, P nine, 11 R. Um, and he said,

keep cranking up the, the fantastic content. Looking forward to the next episode,

the Ferrari banter might be my favorite part. PS PS four cam, 356 GS over Emory Outlaw all

day long. And I saw that and, and I love Michael. He is a solid gold. He is, uh,

I met him on the Hill Country rally. He is from Texas. He has excellent taste in cars.

And he says that about the four cam and that is the, that is his Porsche artery speaking.

Um, it's not his use artery speaking, which I think if you really held a gun to him and

said, look, there's no, there's no future value in that decision. You basically get one

and you get to keep it as long as you want until you're done with it.

I have a feeling put his foot into the fire in your garage, put in your garage, don't drive

lives in Houston, which is fricking hot. I'm pretty sure he's choosing an Emory, but

I appreciate his answer and I know where he's going with that because that is the knee jerk

reflex of a true Porsche person, which he is. Wow. That is a really long rationalization

where you could have just said, yes, I see the other perspective and I might be wrong,

but whatever, Paul, whatever works for you, man. Yeah, that works.

All right. Well, so there was a lot of other comments we've had and I'm going to try to

summarize these as opposed to actually reading them. Um, we did have a lot of interesting

conversation about just people are really loving our topics. And I think what people

are really appreciating about the podcast is we're not just skimming the surface and

reading the, you know, essentially elaborate press releases from Porsche and whatnot.

So this was a question. I think that, um, I've had a version of this direct message to me

a lot because I find this topic interesting and I'm going to just read to you my summary of it.

The question that stood out to me the most was about personality types. That's not

really the way they're framing it, but the types of people that buy cars, for example,

and I want you guys to answer this question, describe the new Porsche owner.

Go ahead, Paul, describe the new Porsche owner. A new Porsche owner is describe them.

Um, I think the new Porsche owner is someone who still, let me define this,

there's the new Porsche owner, which there's two markets. There's the world, which I don't

understand China, Germany, whatever. And there's PCN a Porsche cars, North America,

which is the world I do understand. And I think the new Porsche owner, uh, for the most part

is, and we'll take out four door Porsches, just nine, 11 is someone who this is a milestone,

a bucket list, just like a Ferrari buyer or someone else, the first time buyer,

it's something that they've always wanted and dreamed of. That's part of the market.

And those are the guys are going to buy a 991 or 992.2 s a cab, nothing that has GT on the front.

The other half of the buyer is the GT buyers. And these are two different markets. And those are

social media hounds. Those are people who are day trading their cars, who are looking at future

value. And it has nothing to do with driving a 911. That's who the modern Porsche buyers.

It's all right. So now I actually agree with you, but I'm going to embellish that you guys can see

in the notes. So Casey, I want you to describe to me the old Porsche buyer. And it's so funny.

What old is, I don't know, how about, you know, water cooled back, like, you know,

1999 back, describe the old Porsche buyer, or even if you wanted to 80s, you know,

G body back. I would actually, in my experience, I've got more, of course, knowledge,

talking about newer cars, because being that I was on the retail side of Porsche,

I would honestly defer that to Paul. Actually, let's defer it to Dave,

because he deals with old Porsches having been to a shop, they're coming out of his ears.

So describe the old Porsche, describe the traditional old Porsche buyer.

Well, traditional, of course, you know, was was definitely a guy in his, you know, late 40s or

50s, who grew up with the cars. And that was the guy that did now same kind of thing. He lost it

after them when he was in high school. And now he's got some money. And he's certainly been told

by all of his other water cooled friends that he needs one of these cars. The current guys

are much younger. I think personally, that's what I'm seeing is I definitely see a number of

these guys coming in that are much younger. The 356 guys that Paul's pointing at, go ahead, Tim,

I'm sorry. Yeah, go ahead. No, no, no, the 356 guys that this this, you know, you guys are,

you know, leading this conversation perfectly. But I wanted to, you know, emphasize what you're

saying. There's a big bifurcation that's happening between the old types of buyers and

the new types of buyers. And it's really quite go ahead, Paul. Well, as I say, it

mean, this is a picture of Max Hoffman showroom in New York designed by Frank Lloyd Wright

with with the like one of the early 356 speedsters in his showroom. And this was a perfect example of

someone who thought they knew who the buyers were. And this is back in 54 versus someone who

actually knew. So Max Hoffman, who's importing Jaguars and other kinds of cars, who is also

older is thinking, okay, the buyer of these cars are GT, they want to cruise. Meanwhile,

he has his co his partner who handles West Coast distribution for Porsche, who's Johnny von Neumann.

Johnny von Neumann is the driver. He's racing these things. And he's like, no, no, no, no,

you got it all wrong. This is who the buyer is. These are people who want to drive. They want to

it's a lifestyle. They want to have fun with it. They want to go racing. We need to build a car

that's more affordable. That's more sport purpose. I mean, really the 356 speedster is the

true, you know, parental GT car. And this pops up. And then from that day forward, I think

Porsche has always been going back and forth. Is it a GT car? Is it a sports purpose car?

And depending on like the 80s, I would say we leaned more towards GT, which stayed all the

way through the 90s. But I would say going back to when Casey said I would know, I find that

the most of the older air cool buyers, even in period, they were professionals who were highly

trained and had a almost professionals that use their hands that were mechanically oriented,

like dental workers and orthodontists, periodontists, surgeons, pilots, engineers.

But what are the elements of what you're describing? Right. And we won't stay on this

too long because some people are probably yawning, but you're dealing with very generally speaking,

very analytical types who are probably mostly introverted, who appreciate quality and the rest

of it. And that's what the personality styles of the old car. Exactly. Yeah, exactly. They would

never buy a Ferrari because they like, they're not motivated by looks. They love the beauty

of how the things assembled and the inter, which goes to your, your comment. I think you,

I don't know if it was posted on Instagram, but you basically said, you know,

Ferraris start with something beautiful and then they figure out how to package the whole thing.

And the Germans, you know, 9 11s are like, okay, here's the perfect driving machine.

We got to put a, you know, address on the thing and whether it's good or not, it is what it is.

So you said that is a really valid point though. It's a different in the Germanic

philosophy versus, you know, Italian or whatever, you know, the, the, when you go to

Ferrari used to go originally, he would go to Pina Farina and he would Enzo would then

I'm on first name basis with him, of course. And then he would design, he would buy a design

and then he would take it back to Maranello. And then they would actually, I don't think it

was in Maranello at the time, but here nor there. And then they would essentially design

the mechanics of the car to fit underneath the body that he just bought, basically bought

the rights to. And that's how a lot of the original, and so they would design

the engines and the transmissions and the layouts around something beautiful,

where the Germans did it the exact opposite. They would do the, you know,

the mechanics first, and then they would sculpt the body around it. But Paul, I,

the point I think we're all getting to is I think that's actually changed. And I think it is

definitely going to continue changing. And this is where it changed for Porsche.

When this guy, Andy, you know, as we are, like you and Enzo, me and Andy,

first name basis. Andy shows up on the scene, but he's misunderstood. People

forget that Andy Prudinger spent a lot of time in Southern California. He has like this

Germans love Southern California if they spent any significant time. And he really

adopted to the lifestyle. But this guy is us. Like the, we herald him as like

the savior of Porsche because he loves to drive. And everything he's building from the 996.2 GT3,

which was his first contribution to the latest GT3 RS. I would love to talk to him and find

out is he is frustrated as we are with the image that the new GT3 RS has presented because

he wants lap times. Okay, so pause there. That is perfect. Thank you. You're teaming me up.

That is the question. And that's what people are trying to wrestle with with personally,

especially after this last car week. I don't know if you guys listened to Spikes Car Radio

today. Did you guys all listen to it? Yeah, but all the rest and tickets. Yeah, that was

what I was trying to describe my experience was and Julie and I's experience was when we were

at a car week too. It was not like it's always been before. I'm not saying it wasn't good. I'm just

saying completely different vibe. And so now just full circle in this conversation, the

traditional Porsche buyer has been basically a highly educated professional, you know, that type

of person. The new Porsches, and this is what's really shocking to me. And this is where

I'm fearful this is going to go. The new Porsche GT3 GT3 RS GT4s, all these are not

just being there. I would venture a guest. The minority of the buyers that are buying those

cars now I'm only guessing are true enthusiasts or we like to consider ourselves to be true

enthusiasts. And I think the new generation of buyers that are buying these cars are not

buying them because they give really two hoots about the performance aspects. It's just

for flash and bang. And again, it's a flex for them. It's something they're

because they see people on Instagram using these cars. I still love them. Everyone

still loves them. But my fear is, and this is what I've been trying to express on this podcast

is that Porsche is going to follow Ferrari. And what Ferrari did, if you look at the challenge

Stardale, the challenge Stardale, the 360 challenge Stardale used a lot of the challenge

parts on the car. And then as the, we went to the 430 Scuderia, less challenge parts. And

we went to the four or five eight less challenge parts. And now these newer generations

of these super cars, they, and the Ferrari world, the super sports car series, the

speciale cars, they have no parts that they're sharing between the race car versions and the

streetcar versions, whereas Porsche has direct part transfer, in case you would know better than me,

between the street cars and the actual race cars, same part numbers, same everything.

My fear is Porsche is going to see that, you know what, we don't have to be putting

all these high end parts and all this titanium jizz, jazz in these cars. No one gives a

rat's ass that the springs and a GT, what two RS or titanium, nobody cares. They're going to

buy it anyway. But you know what we can do is we can put more stripes, more decals, more blah,

blah, blah, give them more choices for different leathers. And that's the direction we're going

to go discuss. Well, I had a question for Casey and also Dave. So you're saying here's who the

new buyer is. I'm sure guys like Andy don't like the new buyer, but it funds his secret lab to

go build the stuff he wants to do. So he'll, he'll just justify it. So you get someone like

going back Spike and Paul Zuckerman who have their plan Z and they rotate through these cars.

Where do they fall on that level? Where are they on the new car buyer? Are they old enthusiasts?

What I think is going to happen, what I personally think is going to happen is they're

going to buy the older cars. That's what I think is going to happen. I think the new,

I think it's very possible because Porsche is obviously in money grab mode and they're going

to make a billions of the, you know, I got, I got some nasty comments, you know, pseudo nasty

comments. When I said there was going to be a GT three convertible, I'm sure there's going to be a

GT three convertible. I'm sure there's going to be a speedster. Then there's going to variations

of, of whatever. There's going to be the heritage edition. This is just, it's a money grab.

It's what Ferrari has done. And when that happens, Paul, and by the way, Andy's retiring.

And so when that happens, who's going to hold the line for the true enthusiast product?

Nobody will. Cause it's going to Porsche is going to say, come bring me the money, baby.

And then the older cars are going to take off in value, which by the way, benefits the three of you

guys. That's my opinion. I think Porsche does not make that change. I think at least on the GT

threes, GT twos, all the RS cars, it's, it's, I think they stay with that. I just don't see

them making that change. It's back to your point earlier, Tim, about Ferrari, you know,

Italian versus German. I think the German mindset would be, that would be sacrilegious

to not make those cars, those cars. I'm not saying that they're not going to, you know,

crawl up up a bunch of, you know, base cars and put stickers on them and those kinds of things

and special editions. But I think at the pinnacle at the GT three, GT two, you know, all the

million dollar cars, Dave, that's the problem. And the ones that will be the pinnacle cars

with all the special parts are going to be on a tanium. And it's going to come out that they're

just going to do a series of special edition cars, you know, 2000 here, 1500 there. I don't

chime in on this chime in. What do you think? Waiting for a break. So I get it for those

that don't know my background. I started selling Porsches in 2006, for about 11 years. And then

I managed a dealership, which was a premier dealer. And we did all kinds of great things.

And had all kinds of great clients. I saw a lot of the progression from the times in 2008,

where we couldn't sell anything, including, you know, I had to discount a four liter when the

thing was brand new the whole way up through the 911 or the 918 exclusive program, continuing

through, you know, 2016, 2017, when things fell flat through 2020, when things exploded.

So I believe I've got a pretty decent kind of mindset as to how these things are progressing.

The way that I see it is Porsche is an engineering company. They are not, while they do have

special edition cars, and that they've always had, they had black edition cars of

911s, Caymans and Boxers that they basically used to get rid of old parts. They had Porsche

design edition cars back in 2000. What was that 2008 with, you know, Caymans and Boxer Ss.

They've always had these cars. There's always been special edition cars that have come out.

I remember looking at Wrenlist threads back in the day when people would say things like,

man, there's 36 versions of a 911. I can't believe this. That's always going to continue.

Porsche had interesting interiors back in the day. You know, they had things with,

you know, stripes in them with Porsche script with, and, you know, Dave can echo these kind of things.

Rather than offering them as options, Porsche makes them special editions. People like to

look back to the past. People like to see that. And that's important. As far as GT clients are

concerned, you know, there's a couple of different ways to look at it about, in my experience,

about 80% of the people that I sold cars to either only drove them of GT and RS cars,

only drove them to cars and coffee or left them in their garage in hopes that they would

go up in value. I look after it, right? But I look at, yeah, but I look after a number of

different cars now that, you know, STs with delivery miles, GT3 RS is with delivery miles,

these sorts of things, because that's a certain type of buyer. But at the same time,

I do have a client that has a GT3 RS that also has 992 cup cars and super cups and all

these crazy things that actually does go out and drive the car as intended. And I do have clients

that do that. But I do believe that looking back on it, you know, Porsche is becoming an

aspirational brand. They're looking at the things that are being purchased right now as,

like Tim, you sent us a video that Doug DeMuro did about things that are going to go up in

value. A lot of people, the same people that buy Rolex Submariners that are weird colors

and those sorts of things, I believe that's a similar mindset to people that are buying

these RS cars. They see them as the possibility of money in, money out. I think that's what

Spike and Paul Zuckerman always say. It's the kind of thing that you can look at it. It's

probably better than sitting in a cash bank account somewhere, because at least you can

sit it in your garage. So there is a big differentiation there that there are

people that really use these cars. And I got a client that one of the last things I did when I

left Porsche was to make sure that he got an RS. He took European delivery of the car,

went to Zandvoort, went to Spa, went to Nurburgring. I mean, it doesn't get any bigger than that.

Something I know you know, you love, like love, love is 964 RS, right? So the challenge

with the 964 RS is finding one that wasn't overused, right? If you want to go out,

and by the way, there was a great conversation. I hope you guys caught that in the comments

on Instagram, a guy that was an absolute locked in a 964 RS expert. Just fantastic conversation.

That's Justin, Justin Rosa, boss. That's right. Yep. Yep. Really good guy. And any event,

look at a 964 RS, like he was giving me advice basically on how to go about finding one. The

challenge is finding one that wasn't beaten to shit. I think the fight, the challenge on some

of the especially the new GT3 RS in the future is going to be find one that's actually

been driven because the nature of the buyer and what they're used in the use case for

these cars is changing. And that's just in my observation. And I hope I'm wrong,

because it's going to give Porsche permission to basically start making more, let's just say,

complacent products. Paul is finally agreeing with me about something. Yes, Paul?

No, it is. And for someone like me, it's frustrating because I feel like we're on this

precipice where it could tilt either way. But then going back to it, like I said,

there's two buyers. There's North America buyers, and there's the rest of the world.

And like I mentioned several podcasts ago, when I came back from Germany,

at the Nurburgring GT3 RS's, Manti Editions, STs, all these really valuable cars hauling

the mail around Nurburgring, they've pulled into that little parking lot. And I'm this weirdo,

like, you know how hard it is to subtly check the hood for PPF on a car you don't know,

you know, and just sort of like put your hand behind, you know, oh, yawn. I'm looking for a lip.

No PPF. They don't care. They drive their car. So I still think the European market at least

looks at these the same way they looked at 964 RS's. And they're going to beat the heck out

of them, which then comes back to the only good ones are going to be in North America.

And they're going to sit in garages. And it'll give Porsche, going back to your point,

it'll give Porsche the reason they need to maybe make them not as cool when you pull the,

you know, like you said, not the fancy parts because we will still buy the sticker package

because it's a limited edition. 100%. And I hate, it's not that I don't want to agree with you.

I hate agreeing with you because that outcome scares the shit out of me,

which then I'll just continue to climb back into my old early water cooled air cooled corner

and just let that GT world evolve on its own. Well, what's the right amount of miles? What's

the right amount of miles for one of these cars? When you see one out there right now,

I don't think it's miles. I think it's rock chips. No, no, no, we're talking about modern cars.

Are we talking modern cars, Dave? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm buying. I've got one coming in a month.

Yeah. And yours is perfect to the way you expect. Here's what I think all modern Porsche,

like you, you're getting your GT3 RS, Dave, the minute you get it, I challenge you to

take a piece of electrical tape and put it over the odometer LED display and not take it off for a year.

Like, you know how hard that'll be? That'll be like someone having a nicotine fit trying to,

you know, get their next fix. Like, here's the deal. And just like you, Paul, I have plenty

and Tim and Casey as well. We all have lots of cars to drive, right? I mean, I probably,

there's on any given day, I can pick from six or eight different cars that are out here

air cooled, you know, mostly air cooled stuff, but I've got a transaxle car and I've got modern cars.

I've got can't came in or excuse me, Cayenne's and those sorts of things. Just like my 991.1

that I sold to buy this car, I'll probably, if I'm lucky, I'll put 2,500 miles a year on one of

these cars, which is a lot. That's a lot for GT3 RS. But there you go. Would you take

your new GT3? Let's say there was a rally in your neck of the woods. That was a, let's say,

a four day rally that was going to put about 1500 miles on it. And it was for, you know,

cars like yours, you could take the new GT3 RS. And there was a 10 mile gravel section. Would

you take it on it? As long as I had paint protection film, I wouldn't have a problem.

Yeah, I can imagine. Come on. I mean, but you'd have to and those

rallies exist here. You know the guys probably, Paul, from GT Smokies, right?

Yeah, yeah, sure. That's an amazing rally that candidly one of the reasons I wanted this car

was so that I could actually throw my head into that and run with these guys at these rallies.

Now I guarantee you there's no dirt or gravel. Well, and by the way, I'm going to start signing

you up for like all the gold rush rallies because you can now do those too.

Oh, can I? Yeah, it comes with the jumpsuit.

Oh, yeah. So we had some we had some interesting tariff conversations. I don't know if you guys

want to talk about that. But really, I'll just tie it together. And Dave, this was something

that you pulled out from radio Jones 74 with regards to the tariffs on us. Go ahead.

He was unhappy. Obviously, he obviously does not agree. Radio Jones 74 does not agree with the

current administration's tariff policy for sure. Apparently had a two year wait on a

Boxer RS spider, and he passed on it because the dealer came back to him and said they wanted the

extra 3.6%. And in in his comments and his rant, which I certainly he's he's free to have. And,

you know, I can't say that I'm in agreement with all of the policies that I'm seeing right

now and we're not going down that path. But he was very, very unhappy with the

tariff situation so much so that he canceled his his spider RS order in protest effectively,

right? He wasn't going to pay the extra vague. Now, I'm paying the extra vague on this car,

because it's a once in a lifetime shot to get one of these cars, right? So I'm just going to cost

me an extra 12 grand or whatever it's going to cost me and off we go. But I commend all these

folks that are commenting and Tim, I was going to say, like, we'll look at the comments

over this next week. And we'll make a pick on the best comment. And I will send them a

Sunderworks t shirt for the best comment that we get from one of our listeners, you know,

and then we'll rotate around and Paul, you can send them a auto kennel shirt. And if you get

some shirts and Tim, we'll get some I got some I got some travel talk. I got a Porsche shirt

on today. I'm trying I'm trying to be empty on on brand. But you know, it's funny,

you should mention the tariff conversation. It was about five or six podcasts that I probably

went too far talking about tariffs and people thought I was being political, which I probably was.

And so if you read our iTunes reviews, they're all five stars, except for one person that

literally set me ablaze for essentially being pro tariff, you know, but I have to say this

in my defense, I was pro tariff before I got tariffed on my rebuilt four cam motor to which

it costs me 25% of what the motor cost. And I won't tell you what that number is. It was

not small. All right, so now I can I can I point out one thing to radio Jones 74.

I will challenge you with driving a 2016 boxer spider. It cost half the price of a spider RS.

And it's a better car. I said it. And you're not wrong, Casey, not wrong at all.

We're talking about that when we get down to it. So when we get to some of these more points,

but that that's a commonly held misbelief about boxers because a 718 spider RS

is without a doubt the most superior 718, if not modern day Porsche ever made. But let's move to

the next segment. One more one quick thing. There's been a number of comments and discussions on

this about the Porsche restoration challenge, please. I can speak to the rules as of 2023,

because we play second at Rensport. So I'm very familiar. But I would

talk about the comments people people were making well, even better than that. I've got

a very good friend that won his class at Monterey. And if the listeners would be interested in

hearing about that story about their process about what goes into it, please let me know and

I'll get them on as a guest before they show up at Lufth for the finals. So if that's

something that people are interested in rather than me speaking about prior restoration challenges,

the most current one, I believe, is the thing that's most important. So people are into it.

Let us know in the comments or or some way get DM Tim on the full thought. We'll talk Instagram

and I'll be happy to have them on so they can speak about it. But long story short,

dealerships can build a car for the dealerships or they can build a car for a client.

We always built cars for the dealerships. A lot of them do some of them build cars for clients.

So I'll leave it there. And if you guys are interested, let us know.

Yeah, I mean, but that that actually is a fun topic because I didn't realize

how incredibly interesting those restoration challenges are. Like I thought they were all

said, Okay, everyone's gonna do a 996. But no, these guys choose all these different cars.

And it's just fun to watch the dealership, the dealerships themselves have to love doing it

because they're not having to change oil on another Cayenne, you know.

So you know, I did it because I mean, and that was the motivation for me leaving,

you know, selling new Porsches. I was tired of getting yelled at by people that I couldn't

get GT3 RS allocations for. And I spent time converting transactional cars into race cars.

So there you go. What I was really surprised by and I learned this from Dave is how much

of that work is actually farmed out, but not all the dealers like some of the dealers

are hardly doing any of the work themselves. And it was using that. That's another.

That's another topic that needs to be addressed because we the group that I don't really want to

get on this thing when we lost at Rensport, the group that beat us, a lot of the work was not

done by them. And other than applying the livery to the car, which we had nobody qualified for,

all of the work was done by our dealership, which was a really that was a big bummer that

I learned after the fact that you have to do upholstery work as well as the interior was original.

All the only thing that was that was it. So it was a car converted to a turbo cup. So the only

thing there's no way that the that the dealers are going to have that capability in house. No,

no, any of the upholstery work, they'd have to send that out. There's no way Dave. I 100% agree

with you. But the other things that you are explaining to me went a little above and

beyond that. Fair enough. Yeah, that might be a good topic. Let's see if the listeners tell us.

All right, let's bounce to segment three, automotive news that caught your attention.

Paul, yes, I am impressed that you are not talking about Porsche. No, no, I'm not. And this to me,

I think is really important because we as car people, we complain there's not an affordable

fun car sports cars to drive. Obviously, the Toyota Subaru has the BRZ and those are great.

Always complain they're underpowered. The Z came out. And you know, this is the 240Z I grew up

with my dad bought new 73 240Z. This is it in front of our driveway. It was ordered originally

in white and within a week, my dad had it painted cardinal red. That's what you did.

You know, we didn't worry about original paint. He changed the bumpers. He did all kinds of stuff.

And, you know, and we haven't had an affordable sports car. So the Nissan Z comes out not that

great. Then the Nismo comes out. And I talked to Johnny Lieberman at length. He says it is a

rock star on the crest. It is a fun car. It actually has performance. It's more interesting

to drive than the Toyota Supra BMW weird thing. It's its own car. But the nine speed automatic

just sucked and it and a lot of pressure and literally just yesterday or the day before

the head of Nissan North America announced a six speed manual is coming in the Nismo edition.

So this car is going to be probably around $70,000 nicely equipped. I don't think Porsche

is going to have any product you can buy new for $70,000 manual. Can you guys think of any

other sub $100,000 sports car new, maybe the Lotus Amira, maybe that's barely right.

They said they said that they're going to continue producing the manual transmission

Z4 for the US market. Right. And I think that might be the only thing I can think of

that might be a competitor. But honestly, I have no idea how much that cost.

And I think they're really lovely and the Supras are beautiful looking, but this is its own thing.

And like I said, what struck me is two things. One, it is kind of, it's hard to imagine $70,000

as a manual sports car is affordable new, but it is what it is. There really isn't anything else.

So the fact that this exists that maybe it'll get new buyers into driving,

which will mean we will get more of them. And the fact that this is my childhood,

I mean, literally I learned to drive manual, not drive. I would shift from the right seat as my dad

put the clutch in and a 240Z. Other than that, have you owned one yourself?

I have tried to. I've sold probably half a dozen. And every time I get one, I'm like,

I'm keeping this. And here's the ultimate problem. And it was really the problem with my dad.

Well, my dad bought it. He hadn't had a good German car. He had some volvos, but not a good German car.

Once you've had a German car, it's every time I get one of these, it's like an Asahi beer can.

They are so tinny, rinky dink, great motor, great suspension, great styling. But if you,

and they're built well, but they're just not a German car. So the problem I always had is

I'm ready to put my money down. And I really like things to feel nice and be built nice. And they're

just, they're just not a German car. I had a 73 myself. And, and I've always said that if I wasn't

into Porsches, that would be the car I would switch to as a collector piece or whatever. I mean,

I just, I think they're just great, fantastic car. They're, and they're selling now again,

too. The sales on this new one of outpaced, they've doubled the sales from the prior year and generation,

which is only like 3,700 cars through the first half of the year or something like that.

In Southern California, where you would expect these, you know, to be flying around like malaria,

I see like one a week. And that's it. I never see them, which is sad because I think to some

degree, this is our, one of the few hopes we get of seeing manufacturers go, oh, it's a viable idea to

have a manual sports car for under $100,000. Ideally, I would love to see that number get under 50,

which the Toyota Subaru product might, the promise they're just underpowered.

240Z was almost my first car went Spitfire instead. Very close.

I'm sorry. Oh, no, that's not fair. You guys are bullies.

Julie and I saw some of those Nizmos on a open truck at being when we were in California

last month, and they looked spectacular. Honestly, I don't know where they were shipping.

They're leaving California, but they were gorgeous. And I agree with you completely,

Paul. That's a special, I mean, honestly, that thing looks badass, but it just does.

And it's rear wheel drive and it's manual transmission. You know what?

You know, we're not considering, Paul, and I don't think I don't, I don't know the facts on

these cars, but are there any domestic cars that would compete with in that price segment?

Don't make me say this. Seriously. What would it be? I'm not sure. It's

Mustang. Oh, close. I was going to go with Monte Carlo. Do they still make that?

No, no, I don't remember. I think it's made in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

Um, bourbon. Well, so, I mean, honestly, it's the Corvette and it's the Mustang.

So that's probably the buyer they're trying to, you know, go after, but here or there.

Yeah. So I like it. Dave, you had a really good automotive news that caught your attention.

What was it? I'm not sure if it's great automotive news, but I thought it was kind of

interesting and maybe this has been discussed previously, but that Porsche is going to start

adding Vroom Vroom and gearshift noises through their electric fleet, including the Taycan for 2027.

So I thought that was interesting. I've not driven and maybe one of you guys have an electric car

that sounds like, you know, it's engineered to be sounds like a ICE car. So I don't know if

anybody has, I think Hyundai might have done something with that on some of these cars,

but I haven't driven a Hyundai. So by the way, Tim, do you notice how Dave had to get an electric car

knew something? Like I was wondering how this episode would go if Dave could actually get

something with electric car that made any kind of expression on your face? I mean,

honestly, I don't understand the whole electric car thing, but I'm not going to get on my rant

because here's the bottom line. Why the hell don't we develop synthetic fuel? It already

is an existence. They can mass produce it. It uses the existing gas stations, the existing tanks,

the existing tractors, trailers, the whole damn infrastructure is already in place,

and synthetic fuel made at scale would be cheaper to put in our cars and essentially

as good for the environment as electric. And it's political, you know, honestly, the whole

thing just, it just says it's baffling. I don't want to talk about it.

Does it one of us own a hybrid? Who here owns a hybrid in this group?

So next time, I think it's Tim because I think everything's a Ferrari thing has an

electric motor in it. It does. And so does, you know, our already

has my Volvo XC60.

Sorry, Paul.

In my defense, and yes, Casey, good observation, a hybrid, if you have to do all electric versus

hybrid, I'm not sure in the future, you know, which I'm not sure either one's going to be the

one to have mechanically speaking, but ultimately an electric car in my mind doesn't make any

sense. I suppose use case for it depends on the individual, but as far as where we should be

going, you know, automatically hybrid, I'm sorry, synthetic fuels make total sense. You

guys have any opinions on that? I'm all about hybrids. Here's the thing is we are in a similar

place where we were 100 years ago in the beginning of the 20th century. You know, we're

trying to figure out what is going to make sense. And with pushes from the oil companies and so

forth, we end up with internal combustion engines. It could have easily gone electric. We

were doing electric, globally electric engines that did exist. I think we're in this really

interesting place where we could go any direction. I don't know what the influence is going to be.

And I think in 50 years from now, we're going to look back at this time and go, man, look at that.

We had synthetic fuels. We had hybrids for power hybrids for economy. We had diesel engines.

We had so much. We looked like confused lost souls. And we'll laugh at us. But we're just

at this point where we're trying to sort out. Paul, they don't even talk about synthetic fuels.

It's such bullshit. Well, they do. They do. Because next year, Formula One is switching to

using synthetic fuels. Which is just the baby step. Ultimately, BP, Mobile, Exxon,

all these companies have to be making like, were their money involved? Because then they'll have

tanks of it. And then it'll happen just like you see E88 or whatever at some of these tanks,

you'll see a synthetic fuel one. Now, the problem is that you and I both know the price is going to

be stupid high. And you're getting there, you know, even no matter how much you say,

I believe in synthetic fuels, and you're looking at 91 octane and all these different

choices. And the synthetic is an extra 50%. You're going to quietly look around,

make sure no one's looking and you're put the 91 octane in. But the end of the day,

you know, right now, it's ridiculous that plug-in hybrid makes sense. It does make sense. My dad's

going to be buying a new car here soon. And plug-in hybrid makes sense, which I think in the long

run, we're going to go, holy crap. So we have two really expensive technologies side by side in

the same vehicle. So guess we get to fix an ice engine that barely gets run so it breaks down.

Oh, and then we're going to have this massive heavy battery. I mean,

plug-in hybrid makes a lot of sense for users today. But in the long run, it just seems like

the stupidest idea. I agree, Lisa. Yeah, exactly. I always told people that bought electric cars

and hybrids always lease. Absolutely. You know, it's like holding a cell phone,

my iPhone 14 or whatever barely works anymore. It's three years old.

Did you guys see the latest Jay Leno video where they're in the new model plaid s with like 1200

horsepower or whatever? Did you guys watch that? Was it what was it? Was Dempsey the passenger or

no? No, no, no. This one came out yesterday. Anyway, my only takeaway from that is when they

went out to test drive it. And it's like, you heard all the wind noise and the tire noise

and they're talking about how it's a performance car and a super car. And I'm just literally,

I clicked off. This is too frickin boring. I mean, I'm out. Sorry. There you go.

Oh, does Ferris still have his Taycan? Yeah, yeah. And it was part of an experiment.

You know, he was figured away. And by the way, my dad's seriously looking at a Taycan because

it fits his lifestyle and I'm all for it. But if you can get a Porsche warranty on that damn

thing and it's a used car and it's already depreciated and those things drop like a rock.

Yeah, 100%. That makes sense to me. I'm just saying from a, you know, a nerd's perspective,

I just don't get it. I mean, the hard part is talking my dad out of,

you know, he's he agrees with you, Casey, if you're going to get an electric car, lease it.

And I said, okay, yes, but look at Matt Ferris example, he figured out a way to buy it

on the cheap. So if that thing's worth half in five years, he's only lost like 25 grand,

which goes to try to own a car for 25 grand over five years with a mat like in Tim,

you're absolutely right. You got to get the longest runway of warranty you possibly can.

Think about it. I'll give you a cheat code. And I was something I was going to email Matt,

but I didn't. You can lease a late model use Porsche, right?

Oh, yeah, sure. The residual value is based on the MSRP of the vehicle. So let's say that

the car had $140,000 original MSRP. And the residual value in your buying the car for 65 grand,

let's say, let's say the car had a residual value of Porsche will put it in money, like an

actual dollars on a used car, it's not based on percentage. But let's say at the end of it,

Porsche thinks it's worth 45 grand. So you can lease a car with the cost of funds in the

spread of $20,000 over 36 months with whatever Porsche's high cost of funds is, but you could

probably get in a really nice Taycan for I remember at the end of last year they were doing, you could

get a Taycan turbo for something like eight or $900 a month. I mean, that's a huge amount of car

for effectively what you would be, you know, getting a monthly payment for a minivan.

Yep. Okay, so that's covered by Porsche warranty to

here's a suggestion to your dad. Golf R. There's no way. So, I mean, so, and it's hard

when you to understand, but you've been here before, but you live on an island, literally.

And then you go to a place that has no traffic. His driving now is twice a week drives from

Santa Monica to Orange County, which is 35 miles. That's the way the rest of the country speaks

in miles. In us, we speak an hour and five minutes to two hours and 10 minutes. That is

we speak distance in relative versions of time. And he's 82 years old. If you're in a certain

vehicle like electric or certain plugins, you can drive the HOV lane, which is huge, huge,

not just time savings, but just like the mental dealing with the grind of traffic.

And also with these modern cars, you know, they really help with accident avoidance. And

he's got to get something 2022 or newer because he's 82. And it's kind of, I feel better and safer

knowing when he's coming to the shop, he has a higher chance of getting there and not

rear ending someone in this weird accordion traffic where you go 80 miles an hour to 10

miles an hour to 60 miles an hour to five miles an hour. And it's just gnarly. So,

for his case, it makes perfect sense. Me, I live two miles away, I wouldn't do it.

You better check your pre-sups on the whole access to the carpool. In Leno's video, he actually,

I think the new law says that that's no longer applies to electric cars. So you might want to

check that. Yeah, that's good. And if it does, and okay, so if the carpool lane is out,

this is going to reset everything. And my guess is he's going to look seriously at a

McCon GTS used. That would be his next choice. If the only reason he's doing an electric or plug-in

is it has to, that's going to have the HOV benefit. And if that's out, then a whole new game.

But a go far ain't happening. Shall we skip the question? Shall we skip?

We might need something to keep him awake.

There's nothing nice. I saw him on your trip.

But sadly, there's nothing that keeps him. A lumpy, lump cam V8.

I know Matt Farah wouldn't agree, but wouldn't a Tesla bake the most sense, but you guys can

Well, he has one right now. He has a Model S, which he hates, because my mom thought she wanted one,

had it for a month. I told her it was the wrong car she can't. And she ends up

getting a new Mercedes plug-in hybrid. And he has the lease to run out, which he's got like

five, six months left on the lease. So and a really good friend of ours has a beautiful

five year old Range Rover he's considering, because he's always like those. So

a lot of choices. He's just literally waiting for this stupid Tesla Model S lease to finish out.

So let's skip the Leno's law thing, because that's going to meander into politics and

unless you want to get some hate in the Instagram comments that's on you, Dave.

Casey, do you want to skip the next point? Because I think you already talked about

some of the things so we can get to segment four. It's up to you.

I only wanted to point out one quick thing. Petrolicious, that I love. It's a YouTube

channel, put out a great video with, I'll put the picture up in the background.

It's called Nadda Gamund. But basically it's a story about, I guess it's Rod Emery's son-in-law

that does body work for him. And he's, he looks like low 20s. And he made this amazing car. And

I don't have much to say about it, but it was a great video, very motivational for the

younger generation and everybody should watch it. So check that on the Petrolicious YouTube

channel. Awesome. Yeah, it was a really good video. And I know Rod well. I know his son-in-law

married his daughter recently. And what's really cool about this video is as soon as he was sort

of done, and this is such a 20 year old something to do, you know when you, your car is kind of

done, but you just can't wait. So you start doing things with it. And it becomes this

rolling restoration where it's like getting, so I like, I think I got finished a few years ago.

And I would see like at one car's in coffee and each event, you could see the car getting

the last 10% done. And it is, it is spectacular. And there's, there's some really interesting

things about the engine that I think people should watch. I didn't know, but they're really

cool killer video, really recommend it. Segment four. And this was Casey's suggestion,

which is I think a great topic. What three modern Porsches 1999 and newer would you buy

with $500,000 total? And so it's Casey, this was your concept from the last show. You get to go first.

So I'm a, I love 997s. First car, first and foremost, the picture behind me,

I took at Laguna Seca in 2008. I think it's 2000, yeah, I think it was 2008.

Those are the flying lizard RSRs back then. 45 was my favorite. I've got a model of it

behind me on my shelf, but piloted by Bergmeister and Hensler. To me, that's peak RSR. I don't

think there's anything better than it. Rexy comes very close, but to me, that car and the

Penske RS Spyder always go together. Unfortunately, I can't afford a 997 RSR with our $500,000

budget. So car one for me would be a 997.1 RS. Don't care what color it is. Low owners,

relatively low miles. I figured that car all day long is 300 grand. Car number two, which I mentioned

earlier, Boxster Spyder 2016. That is by far the best year for that car. Manual transmission,

bucket seats, ceramic brakes, and it has to be in white. Figure that's around 120.

And for the tow vehicle, when one of those cars breaks, I would do an 09 Cayenne Trans

Siberia and black with orange wheels. In period, I sold a gray one with black graphics to a guy that

had a reverse pumpkin 997 GT3 RS. But to me, black with orange graphics is the way to go.

And I figured I've got about 20 grand to pay for whatever I need to do. But I think, to me,

that's the probably peak. I would do one honorable mention. I used to do some marketing work for TPC

Racing and, in period, I sold Mike, the owner of TPC, an 11 Boxster Spyder. He put a 3.8-liter

X51 in it from a 997 GTS. And that car was about perfect. But I do like the 16, I think,

better than that. So that's the way I went. I am not surprised. Casey did such a phenomenal

job of picking three cars. And I definitely am not looking forward to going last, because that's

what I signed myself up for. Do you guys have any comments on those three cars?

All good choices. No, they're great choices. And in fact, Casey's choice.

First of all, like we originally remember, we argued about the value. I want to do 300,000

because I am inherently cheap. And I think the fun can be had for less. I still think

this could have been done for 300. And I actually had to change my choice to get to 500. I understand.

But his Trans-Siberia was definitely the inspiration, which I think is really a great

choice, which is one of the weirdest thing about that car. And they had some weird things,

and no one gave two shits about them for the longest time. Is they're badged on the back?

I believe it says Cayenne S, correct? But it's a GTS. And I never understood why Porsche did that.

So think about it. On the back, it says it's Trans-Siberia. The only way you know it's Trans-Siberia

is if you have the little stickers on the side, which you may or may not have ordered. And then

the back says Cayenne S, but it is literally a GTS. But I think if you look at the picture behind

for those that are on YouTube, the bodywork is all S.

So why didn't they badge it as GTS or have the badge say Cayenne Trans-Siberia, which

don't tell me too long. It should have just said Cayenne Trans-Siberia. But I think S is just,

I mean, basically the GTS portion of it, if I believe, was only the engine.

That's the best part.

I hear you. But I think that being the fact that when they campaigned it, it was called a Cayenne S

Trans-Siberia when it actually, when Zorton, all those guys ran them throughout our Mongolia. So

I think they were kind of sticking with that. I don't know if it was a homologation thing.

They needed to sell X amount in order to compete in that. I'm not sure.

Yeah. I do love them. And it did force me to deal with a half a million dollar limit,

not 300,000 and change my one of my cars. Well, you want to go next? Sure. Go ahead, Paul.

All right. Super easy. First car 996.2 GT3, just like the one I own. I know it's boring,

but in my thought, that is the only GT3 to own anything newer has come close,

but not close enough. I would say the next thing is a 991.2 Carrera T with the right color options.

Super hard to find. This one was pretty tasty. Lava orange, ceramic brakes.

The only thing I hated about it, I mean, check out the interior, yellow accents,

yellow belts, yellow things. It needs the stripes on the seats.

And because he ordered the stupid torture buckets, which the old, there's two, two bad

decisions on this car. One, the torture buckets would have been better with the regular stock

seats, with the cool graphics and they ordered the glass roof. I don't mind the regular sunroof

because the roof's painted. And by the way, the weight savings between no sunroof and just

the regular metal sunroof is nominal. It's nominal. I basically, you know, and then

the third choice. So my third choice, if we're playing the $300,000 game, I pulled a picture

from it was a 997 Carrera 4S manual Targa in Nordic Gold, which is such a cool car and they made

so few of them. And that would be my cruiser. But ultimately I went with not the Trans-Siberian,

which is a lovely car and it will do gravel and those things. But if I really, I put all my budget,

first of all, 996.2 GT3, that's, let's just say $125,000, depending on color and miles and all

the other crap. This car, if you want to get a really good Carrera T in a great color, 125.

And then you get to this, which is a E-Motion by Joey Sealy. All right, Dave, you're going to get

moist over this. I think Dylan, the moisture already fall. The moisture is here.

Cayenne-based, a Cayenne diesel-based E-Motion overlanding beast. And what's, and I've known

Joey for decade, over a decade. And what's bitchin' about this car is, I mean, these are,

we're talking by time you buy the Cayenne diesel, give it to Joey and just basically,

give him your bank account number. This is going to be a quarter million dollars by time you're

done. But I would say all the other overlanding stuff, including the Trans-Siberian,

is a little bit of a mall poser. And this thing, I've seen them in person. They look beautiful

inside. They're not, they don't look like the actual Trans-Siberian race, you know, Cayenne.

I don't know if I got a picture of the inside. I couldn't find one, but they are really nice

and they drive fantastic and they will frickin' go anywhere. The whole bottom's heavy gauge

steel. It can slide over stuff. So anyway, there's the torque on those diesel engines is

unbelievable. I mean, you put a tune on that thing. And I know I've talked about this before,

but, you know, the right one, sometimes you'll get a little bit of turbo lag, but I've got a

tune on my 13 and it is a rocket ship, man. It'll get going. Those are great cars. Those

are really great cars. And what is cool about Joey Sealy, and I'm surprised he did this, but

I think you figured it made sense because initially, if you wanted any of these goodies,

they were like Rod Emory. You had to buy the car to get the engine, whatever. He's finally

realizing you can buy parts. So you can't make, there is some secret sauce to buying a true emotion

engineered Cayenne Overland vehicle, but now you can buy some of his like underplating and

some of the other skid plates and whatever. So yeah, there it is. And that comes right at 500.

So let's have, do you guys like his selections? Do you guys have any criticism for his three

selections? Because personally, I'm not really understanding the two 911s, but

what do you guys think? And Paul, you don't defend yourself quite yet. Busiest guys are

probably just going to agree with you. Yeah. Well, you know, I understand the GT3,

the 996 GT3, but that's because you own it. You love it. You get it.

You know, wouldn't be my choice per se. I do like the T. That's a great car.

And that panel sunroof for whatever reason, I really just like that 991 with that panel sunroof.

I just think it breaks up the color on the top. And depending on the color of the car,

I think it really does look stunning. I've seen guys put vinyl on the top of those cars just

to give it that black look. People don't realize there's three options. You have

the glass panorama roof, which is this one has, which is heavy. It's going to be expensive

repair down the road. You have no sunroof, which everyone goes, ooh, that's the best one,

which isn't bad. And then you have the regular sunroof, which is the same panel.

And the only thing bad about it is when you have it open, which is usually driving,

it looks like, you know, baseball hats about to come off the car. It looks so dorky.

But the weight difference between no sunroof and just the regular painted sunroof that

just flips up over the top like a baseball lid is nominal weight difference. And it is nice to

want some more to open up because you want to hear that cool engine. So I'm open either way. I agree.

I hate the glass roof from mainly just cosmetics. It looks stupid.

Oh, I love it. I'm sorry. We don't agree. I love the glass roof.

Good. Finally, Casey, what do you think about his three selections?

I'm a big Joey Sealy fan. I was going to get a McCann a couple of years ago and actually

reached out to him about the wheel entire setup. But it unfortunately didn't go through.

But I love what he does. I followed along since I guess he split off from BBI a bunch of years ago.

My favorite second gen 991 that's not a Speedster is the Carrera T. I sold a bunch of them

when they were new. My favorite spec was always GT silver, traditional wheels, graphics,

with the stripe seats on the inside, slick top manual, just awesome car.

Yeah, just I'm fully, fully there with you, Paul, on that one. I'm a slick top guy on 9-11s.

I don't like sunroofs. So you're agreeing you think those are, so let's go on.

I think it's great. I just, I just wanted to fend the reason I put this in there,

not because I already own it. No, it's awesome.

It is awesome in the sense, but it is the only water cooled Porsche

because that was the rule 99 and newer. The only modern Porsche that I could figure drives

the most like a vintage air cold. 100%. And the 996 GT3, if you guys have never driven one,

don't just believe the, you know, the internet about, you know, the aesthetic and all the

rest of it. Maybe you do, maybe you don't, maybe you like the more curvaceous state,

but it doesn't really matter. Go drive one because they, that car only has ABS,

it has no traction control, which you wouldn't think sounds that cool, but it actually is.

The experience is just like Paul said, it does feel like driving, not even a 993,

not even a 964. That car, when I had ours, it felt like you were driving like a G body or even

something older. It's so for me, it's, it, it, there's these cars that, that drive so similar.

This 964s, it's shockingly similar in the rawness. Yeah.

80, 88, 89 club sport, not our poser US one, but the true Euro one. And then my,

I posted something of my old 73 RS clone, you know, a two seven MFI motor. It just has this

Porsche secret sauce. So that's another one, frankly, for that in that price range that

doesn't make sense to me as far as the price differential between a GT3 of a 996 generation

and the next in the newer ones. It seems to me that there's going to be some meat on the

bone on that one for an A1. It's price sensitive in terms of like maybe making some money on a car.

Dave, you are up next. Three cars total of 500,000. I read your answers and I think you did a great

job. What do you got? Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I'm already, I'm already preset

up as the winner then. So obviously how could I not pick a. I haven't, I haven't gone yet.

Well, fair enough. Okay. And he who controls the last spot probably controls the win.

But the 2025 GT3 RS, how could I not pick that since I've just ordered one, right? So there's my

spec on my particular GT3 RS, roughly going to come in around three 10, three 20, I think the way

that one spec with Wysock package, front lift, it does have the torture seats. But if I didn't

get the torture seats, then I'd be hurt on the value. I have an upholstery shop. I'll fix

the torture seats, Paul. I've got, you know, bolster things I can put in there. I've got

blow up one bar supports. I can do all that kind of stuff. So the torture seats didn't scare me

really. So that's car number one, about 310. That's kind of the way I kind of played it. But

you can get one of these cars for, you know, if you don't option it up for 270 grand.

Can you really? Hold on. Yeah, you can. I mean, the base price on a GT3 RS is 241

or 245 now, I think. And if you don't put Wysock package on it, the first one, you remember the

story about the first one that I almost had, I think the sticker on it was only 271. So it was not

a highly option car. Dave, I know you're bummed about just not to jump on you here, but I know

you're bummed about the tariffs. But the reality of it is even at 310, even before sales tax,

which I assume what you're talking about here, you're still ahead of the market on that.

So you're right. I didn't even blink about it when he told me about the 3.6. I mean,

it wasn't really a question. It's just the way it is, right? So car number two.

Yeah. Car number two. And this is a car where I probably should have gone with Casey's pick,

actually, because it would have been nice to have a drop top, I guess, as part of the three here.

But a 2016 GT4 probably wouldn't pick white, honestly. But this was the picture I could grab

quickly. This is a fantastic car. And I will have to say, stupidly, I had one and let it go.

I had one last year and sold it to a friend. But this is probably one of the best driving

Porsches in a reasonable price range that you can lay your hands on. This thing is just a

fantastic car. Wonderful, wonderful. Mine did have torture buckets.

For those of who are just listening, let me see what it is. It's a 2016 GT4. And those cars,

obviously, you can get in manual transmissions, which you can't do on the new RS.

They only came in manual. That's it. It's certainly in the 16 they did for sure. I think

it's a great looking car. Have you guys all driven one of those? Have you guys all driven?

Okay. I've driven a dozen of them. Casey, what did you think of the gearing?

Sort of the shadow over that car's long gearing. What did you think of it?

I think a lot of it's blown out of proportion. I think people need something to complain about

or an otherwise really fantastic car. Yep. I agree. I drove a GT4 over the entire

Angeles crest on our compounds with the light dusting of snow. And my only complaint about it,

which is why I like the 996 GT3, is you had the car was so capable, you had to go so fast

to kind of get a motion that you're like, holy cow, I'm going too fast.

Back to your fear of death issue, right, Paul? Yeah, you get the fear of death in there in order to...

Yeah, that's 2016. There's another decade of new fear of death things that are faster.

But I would say the Spider is the better version. And I still think, as the Spiders,

are they less money than the GT4s? I threw a dumb number out for mine,

because I would want to find the nicest, cleanest one in existence to kind of like make it so that

I could own it like it was a new car at that point. But I think GT4 is like a nice driver.

GT4 is right around 85 to 95. I feel like the Spider is the same, because then 718 Spider

prices you can get for a nice driver in the 115 range. And that's going to always...

I think they're so new that people go, well, I'll get the newer one versus the 16,

because also, like you said, Tim, they're like, well, I'm going to have to go spend

five, 10 grand on the transmission, which is total bullshit.

It is total bullshit. Just basically read the crap out of it in first and second gear

and don't worry about it. Or learn to be a better driver.

Your third car, Dave, there you go. Here's my third car. This is a used 2023

CPO. I mean, that's the way you'd want to get it. And with the price on this, this is a GTS Macan.

Did that come in a diesel? No, no, it doesn't come in a diesel. Sorry,

sorry, Paul. But I have owned a Macan S. I've owned two of those. And I think the S is a

fantastic car. I mean, it's a great car to start with. But the GTS, and I've only test

driven one of these, I have never owned one. But there's a lot. I mean, I think that's

another, I don't know, 15, 20, 30 horsepower. I want to say it's in the high threes or mid threes,

perhaps horsepower wise. Great car, great looking car, super practical. The ultimate grocery getter,

as far as I'm concerned, this car, just the minute you start it, the noises it makes,

it is just a wonderful SUV. And I think Porsche did an outstanding job on this car.

It doesn't get better as these cars get newer is my point. I don't like the styling on the

newer ones. The EV just doesn't speak to me at all. But this one right here, this is kind of

peak Macan for me. And that kind of I've got that at about 80 grand, down from 230, which

is what it would cost you to buy a new one. So that's good depreciation 435 horsepower,

I misspoke. And that to me is just a great all around car. He mentioned depreciation,

you guys realize pretty much all of your selections so far pretty much depreciation

proof at this point. So you might I mean, I'm looking at the list of what you guys,

the three of you came up with and I don't really see that there's any of these cars that have

a big drop. Well, so when it didn't want you to something stupid, that's because it's electric.

Well, that's probably Paul. Okay, all right. So

Dave's picks were Dave's picks were great. My favorite Macan. And I remember going to

launch of that car. My favorite one was a 2018 turbo. So 3.6 liter. So it's a three liter with

a longer stroke. And that was the one where the turbos hung off the side of the engine.

It wasn't a hot V motor that came from Audi. But yeah, Macan's are great. Absolutely love them.

100%. So would you guys choose a Macan over a new Golf R with the RS3 motor in it?

No. You know, here's the funny thing is, and this is, I have never driven a Macan

ever. They're great cars, man. And the reason I know they're loved cars is how long they've been

out now, almost a decade. Macan's as a vehicle. 2015. Yeah. Yeah. So they've been out for a decade.

I get people offer me Cayenne's to resell and so forth. And I've sold Cayenne's

Panamera's same thing. I have never had anyone give me a Macan to sell,

which means they love them. The dealers know that they can move them. The dealers offer them too

much money and they trade them in for something new. That's interesting. Part of the reason we're

going to most likely unless Porsche or someone gives us a newer one is why I really want to

experience a Macan in this rally because I want to drive one. All right. So my three choices for

500 grand and you guys can have fun trying to rip me up, but I'm pretty sure I already won.

You guys can read my notes. I took my victory lap yesterday and I was coming up with these

997.2 GT3 RS for around 250. Whoa. Wait, is this like when Dave picked a turbo S and said it cost

250? Yeah. See, the problem is. No, no, no, no. You're being rude. A 996 GT2 for around 210 grand

and a 987 Cayman R, which I'm surprised many of you guys mentioned, which I couldn't find one

for 50 grand. But let's just say 50 grand just to make my math work. So you guys are

just going to say no bueno. Go ahead. First of all, you're going to have to run backwards and

unwind that victory lap because there's so many problems, not problems with the car. There's

only one problem I have with the car is the Cayman R. And I like you wanted a Cayman R,

Pareto Green, the whole deal. And being follically challenged, I don't give a crap about

open car. However, and Johan von Overbeek proved this on a great video, the 987.2 Spider just drives

better. And so, and then the pricing, the Cayman R, here's the thing is you like nice cars,

you like low miles, Tim, you like the right color, you like pretty. 50 grand is going to get

you the most hooptie piece of shit Cayman R. If you could even find one with so many dings on

car facts, it would probably be an auto it'll be an automatic to it. It would be a rebuild title.

Yes, it would be a PDK. Oh, didn't you didn't you correctly call me out on my own bullshit last

week when you said I'm trying to be more urban? I believe you did. Okay, so this is a good

attempted urban, but you're not going to get that you there's a party you can't 99. So,

so what you did right 996 GT2 undervalued car for a great car. I really wanted one until I drove one

and I knew the same reason I don't drive motorcycles is it a matter of time before I die in a 996 GT2

because those truly truly truly are I don't care what people say this is the widowmaker.

That is the car that kills you and get a good life insurance policy. And you got the

number right 210 will buy you a black boring black car and that's about right.

Like Casey said 997.2 GT3 RS. I mean, you're you need 100 I was going to say you could get a hoop

that you could get a boring one or one. I am doing the Google right now and if you guys

were to take the time and set step aside from your overt criticism just because you guys

are all boys. The reality of it is is there are some for sale that are in that price range

and you guys need to maybe expand your horizons. No, I agree there is not not the car you're going to buy

for you. I didn't mind I put the best one that I could find. Yeah, I put ones that I would want

to own. Yeah, so so and there's there's quite a few listed. What is it? Here's just for example,

Mr. Kramer, a 2016 my first one that came up a 2016 911 GT3 RS. No, no, no, no, that's a 991.

Yeah, that that's going to be in your price range. Yeah, no, no, that 250 is too much for that car.

I mean, all right, fine. Good point. I have to search again. Search 1011. Oh, Tim,

change your thing. A 991.1 GT3 RS phenomenal choice. And I agree with that. Your only thing is

that's only PDK, which by the way, that car should only be PDK. It makes sense for that car. So I will

I won't give you a victory rap, but you won't be you'll save grace if you change that 997.2 to a

991.1. And then 16, 16 drive better than the 19s to just like me to be caught on a podcast

with a bunch of used car dealers. Okay, moving on. Fine. I thought I won. I clearly did not.

You guys are okay. So you guys want to do one more segment or do you want to call it a day? It's up to

you. I think we call it a day because the last segment is at the segment that the segment.

Yeah, it's going to be a lot of the auction segment. I'll talk about the auction. I didn't

know if it can work for that. Let's segment five. We're never going to get to segment six,

which is the wings. Perfect. That's fine. We'll move on. Segment five. You guys,

Paul, I'm more worried about you because of your, you know, medical situation. So are you good?

I'm good. I'm good. Jugs are still cruising along. Okay, stretching an inch a few minutes ago for

those of you watching on YouTube. He had to readjust himself. Yeah, well, he did that last

week and then he disappeared for five minutes. He came back taking his victory lap, having

gone to the bathroom successfully in his harness. See that one, right? I'm just trying to be

more sensitive. All right, segment five this week in auctions, what are your top two

follows and our sales and why? And I thought this, I had to update mine because I know we

didn't get to this last week, but I thought it was a lot of fun. So who do I want to have

go first? Let's see. I'm going to let Dave go first. Go ahead, Dave. Your great job, Chris.

This, I just followed this car and thought it was quite an amazing outcome here on this

particular car. Obviously this is a 2024, 9-11, VP3 RS with Wysock package, but I thought

the color combination was really unusual and not one that I would ever personally think to spec.

But this is in Viola purple, which is clearly a paint to sample color, with the blue wheels

and the blue vinyl on the side. And this car sold for roughly 425, 2028, including the fees.

But I thought as a combination of colors, it really worked well. Obviously as a GT3 RS,

it's going to bring the money. But I do think the color popped this value up a bit. That's my

personal opinion on this. And Dave, you said it's a Wysock package? It is. Yep. Wysock package.

Does it have painted roof, painted hood? Nope. You can see if the picture, let's see if that

shows up any better. No, it's got the carbon hood. But I think it works on this car.

That color combination is just so interesting. I'm not a fan. I would like it if that

GT vinyl matched the color of those wheels. I'd skip the graphics on the side,

but the wheels look, the Viola purple with the blue wheels looks nice.

Yeah, I agree. Interesting, though, because I would never think to spec that car that way.

It's just yellow calipers. Are you guys... Oh, the yellow calipers are going to get...

You've got to spend... You know how good this is to look at Monterey next year.

Yeah, exactly. I mean, that's exactly, that's where that car is going. It's going to be

doing a rev off someplace in Monterey, pissing the cops off. I mean, one of the 150 people

that got arrested, that's where that car is going. That's my opinion, though. But the color's pretty.

All right, here's my second one. This car is a 2000, excuse me, it's a 1980.

Can I go back to my own notes here? Hang on one second, guys. This was a Canadian car,

which I think is what really held it back. It's an 80911 Targa out of Canada. I love this

color. It's basically just called medium blue metallic. And that was a common color early 80s.

This color, this car, if I had more pictures, you'd see it looked like a really nicely sorted car.

It's got a navy blue interior. The cookie cutters probably hold it back, but that's an easy fix.

No, the cookie cutters are awesome. Yeah, but most people run away from them, Paul. You know

that. You know it holds back. I normally agree with Paul. I'm not agreeing with Paul today.

I actually agree with Paul, and I'm sorry for that. I think the cookie cutters are awesome

because you never see them. And what that one has is seven inch cookie cutters in the rear.

Insanely hard to find. And when you put the right stance and rubber and better photos,

they look actually really cool. And make the door match the rest of the fender.

The reason why he didn't do well, this car only did 33K. And I thought that for that's

great money. I think people got scared of the import from Canada. Well, they should know. I mean,

that's a hassle. I don't know. It's not that expensive, the important. It really is. What is

the tariff to bring? I mean, it used to be like 3%. What is it now to bring a car in from Canada?

That car is old. 10, 8 or 10. What was it? Even with an old car? Even with a car older than 35

years? No idea. 25 years or older. Yeah, 25 years or older, you got no problems.

Let's not talk. Let's start one for 33K. I mean, it's great looking.

It's very cheap. But let me ask you, is it it's an SC or a mid year?

SC. That's a great car. That's super cheap.

Let me ask you guys a question on layman's perspective. Okay. If you have a car up in

Canada, because you're right, even the modern stuff, if it's in Canada,

and they're trying to sell to a US buyer, oftentimes they don't sell. They don't even

meet reserve. If you're in Canada and you're listening to us, maybe consider consigning your

car with Casey or with Paul or Dave and getting it, frankly, down to the United States, because

that's where your buyer is going to be. You have to get it here.

Yeah. You're not people for sure. People are afraid of Canadian.

You're not wrong. You have to get it here. Even if it has a Canadian title,

get it here. Because right now, especially with the tariff talk,

I think there's just a lot of confusion. I mean, look, we have ambiguity. We don't know what it is

to bring here. We knew a year ago. Imagine the naivety of the buyer. If it's here and it's in

a US state and it's being sold here, where it's already here, a dealer's going to title it for

you, I think you have a much, much better shot.

But Paul, it's not even a difference between a much better shot of selling it. It's a much

better increase in your net profit even after paying your guys this 10% big.

And paying the transport there. You're absolutely right, Tim. Let's just say 10% and then let's say

another 5% for all the transportations and whatever to get here. I think the end of the day,

you'll double that in sale. This car should have been high 50s, probably, as my guess.

There you go. Yeah, but the thing about I would have been retelling this car at would have been

high 50s. It's a good looking car. It was really nice. Canadian cars from my experience, even though,

like in a modern Porsche, like the only difference between a Canadian car and a US car is the

US cars get the first maintenance for free. Canadian cars don't. That's really the only

difference in between cars. Depending on the year, sometimes when you bring them in,

they have to pull the instrument clusters apart to pull off the kilometers per hour and put on

miles per hour. But Canadian cars always sell for less if it started as a Canadian car, because

it gives somebody the reason it gives them excuse to not buy it because they're like, oh,

it's like an IMS in a 997 versus a second gen. You take away reasons to not buy the car.

To me, it's the same car. It doesn't it doesn't really make a difference, but they're always

worthless. Casey, let's let's jump to your two cars that you've been watching. And I see one of

them behind you. If you guys are not watching on YouTube, we do have the ability. Thank you,

Paul, for figuring it out to put pictures up. But yes, so this first car, I have to say,

I was watching this one too, an absolutely gorgeous little car, Casey.

So I love early 911s. I will be honest with you and let you know that I've never

driven a short wheelbase 911, but late like early, early cars like well, not early, early cars, but

like 70 to 73. I love I really love MFI cars. The car behind me is a 1973 911 T coupe.

To me, it's a little bit of a boring car. This is I think it's technically a 73 and a half

because this car has CIS, but they marketed it as a 73. But the kicker with this car is it's leaf green.

Leaf green is, I believe, one of the most beautiful colors ever produced by Porsche.

It's not available and paint the sample. And honestly, it's super rare. I've only ever seen

one leaf green car in person. And that was that checked it out like two years ago on a

similar era. Actually, I think it was a little bit earlier 912. It's an awesome car.

This car, even though that's a CIS car and it's kind of boring, just a very good restoration,

it's very pretty. But this car sold for 130 plus fees. That's a huge number on a 73 911.

It's not a huge number. No. And when I saw this thing pop up, I sold two years ago,

a 73 and a half CIS T leaf green, 80,000 original miles, original paint,

about a little bit nicer than this one. And I sold it for way over 130. I've sold an

aubergine T that was a CIS T for 150. And it goes back to that car was a really nice,

what I'd call high, high level survivor driver, really clean. In a great color,

which most people forget, leaf green was not loved. By the way, leaf green, all-time favorite

Porsche color. I would, Pete, that's the, the, I would PTS in leaf green. It's the best color,

in my opinion. But, you know, in the end of the day, people will pace such huge numbers

for a dry, honestly, you know, great color rare like leaf green, because what also happened,

they were so unpopular, most of them didn't get out of the 80s without being turned into red

on tan and some trashy color. Nice turbos. Totally, totally. That car, that car was

very, very nice. It's going to need, I think, a couple little mechanical things,

but all in all, rare color 130. Yeah, that was, that was right on the money.

So his next car, you have the picture, Casey? So this is, so I remember before I put it up,

I went to a, when I worked at the Porsche dealership in the summer of fall of 2004,

I went to a concor where they let me drive the 997S launch car. And the car I fell in love with

there was this. This is a Sepia Brown 70S. I think back in the day, I mean, this is another

one of those instances where all of these cars got painted a different color.

This one, I'm certain, was restored. I think 911R sold this car. The representation was very good,

but Sepia never sticks around. To me, I think that if somebody offered me a really interesting

70 to 73 911 in an interesting color to trade for my 964 plus money, I'm pretty sure I do it

in a heartbeat because I really love that era of car. I don't believe that there is better

steering than what you get in one of these early 911s. And I really think that that's super

important in the driving experience. But this Sepia 70S sold for 208 plus fees.

And being that I completely buffed on what I thought the market was on early 70s 911s,

Paul or Dave, what do you believe this car, do you think this car sold well,

or do you think this was cheap? No, it's sold right on the money. And in fact,

if this was leaf green, we're talking 350 to 300 because what people don't realize long

hoods have been flat for a while. And I think they're the really they're the good solid air

cooled early air cool. That's the air cooled by the sad thing is I think they're big up in

the future is somewhat limited. But you know, in Tim, you know, air cooled by are now the

guys in the room who are buying early long hood air cooled cars, especially in multiple

six figures, their seasoned vets, there's no speculators left. So when you look at this car,

this car was really good. It was really I mean, Dave, you know, the shut lines. This car is

beautiful. It was such a good car. And what's cool is if you look at the end of the history,

it's sold on BAT or bid in 19 for 156. And it looked kind of, you know, crappy presentation.

But that just shows you the market and bid to that didn't hasn't really had the big change.

I was surprised at Sulfis just because there's so many people that hate sepia. And I absolutely

love sepia because when you see it look like this, it just looks so right. And by the way,

everyone who calls me goes I want a 72 73 s, you know, because it's a 2.4.

They're just they need to walk away from bring a trailer because the 70 71 s is the real s. That's

that is the best long hood outside of the 73 RS that Porsche made because what people don't realize

is in 72, the world emission laws hit and everyone was kind of screwed in last minute what to do.

So Porsche's solution was they bumped to a 2.4 from the 70 71 that were 2.2 because they had

the lower compression. So if you just magically drove a 70 71 s and a 70 72, you know, 72 73 s

back to back, let's just say magically, they were identical conditions. So they drove the same.

Your butt dyno would say the 71 s or 70 s was faster for sure.

All right. So between his leaf green for 130 or this one for what was it again, Casey 208 plus fees

208. I mean, if you had to choose between the two, Paul, given what you know about these cars,

what would you choose? Well, the leaf green is tugging at my shoulder, but because it's

my favorite color. But you know what, I like to drive. I love them. I'm sorry, the sepia

brain money aside, a 70 a 2.2 s. Fuck yeah, I'll tap that. What do you think Dave? What do you think?

I don't know if I can top Paul's comment there, but I don't feel quite exactly the same way. The

but I would take the brown car as well. The sepia brown car Browns are getting hot again.

Porsche lists, you know, just they are they are. I mean, it's just the colors go through

cycles, right? And I want the brown. I love brown. I want them to be hot again.

Macadamia Brown came out in 2006, seven, eight. And I'm like, brown is back. It never it never

caught. Sorry. It's all right. Well, okay. So I'd call that car for sure.

You're up. I think actually, I would agree with you guys. I would get the sepia brown

the s and I also agree with you about the early having driven them with you a 70 or 71

just does feel exactly like whichever would you dream of an old 911 to feel like a really

any car. That's where a lot of if you've driven one, that becomes a benchmark car for

everything else to be compared to the challenge is driving one that's not a piece of crap.

Even if one's been restored correctly, it doesn't really matter. You have to drive one that's been

restored and then been gone through by somebody actually like a Marco, you know, who actually

knows how all the things are supposed to be. Otherwise you're driving somebody's interpretation

of what it's supposed to feel like. And that's the hard part, finding a finding an

honest car or a car that's been restored by somebody who knew what the heck they were

doing. You know, and I'm afraid there's going to be a whole generation that's going to never

have that experience. So there you go. All right. So Paul, you've got some interesting cars.

You were watching at auction. Yeah. And we touched on this briefly because it had just

closed. But what was more interesting about it was I wanted to compare two 996s,

the Magnus 996 versus another 996, a White 2003 996 Aero kit. And the main reason is I wanted to

see the Magnus effect. And would it would be great as to see if it was on a newer car. So

the 996 is the 914 of the modern day. This is your entry Porsche. This is how you get into

the 911 game because you can get one potentially for 20 grand. So I think the 996 naturally attracts

a younger buyer. So Magnus is closed last Friday. And it was a 99, you know, and I remember when

he bought this car because he was asking me about importing a 996.1 GT3, which I just told him go

get a 996.1 Aero kit car and do some suspension work, which is what he ended up doing. It's a

red black 996.1. Interestingly, Aero kit added after the fact it had i-box suspension. It was

a driver's car. It was a little bit rough. It had been on bring a trailer in 2019.

It had only bid for 19,000. There was a lot of comments about work not done. Magnus had it then,

you know, for what six years put 2000 miles on it. I saw it once in a while up on the crest,

very rarely. I think it was more of something he enjoyed driving in the beginning. And then he

was sort of disenchanted. And I think the reason he was disenchanted was I think that it needed

a little more sorting and tuning. The person who listed it for me on bring a trailer kudos

to them because they made this thing look like a rock star. I don't think it ever looked this good

in person. And it sold for 48,000, not including fees. That's a 73,000 mile clean car facts,

not original paint, not original Aero kit, questionable history. Two days later,

this bad boy lists for sale. This is a 2003 996.2 Carrera coupe with 60,000 miles factory

Aero kit, which has that little spoiler, not go. Yeah, not quite taco. It's sort of like

it's sort of like a yeah, the taco was the 996.1. This was sort of this weird, almost like a coke

can lip. And it so I would put Magnus's car to condition three to three minus. I would put

this car at a solid two, maybe even two plus sold a couple days later for 38,500, not including

fees. Really pretty car, all the work done. So then so if you were comparing apples apples,

that's a 20% Delta between or between the two. But I think if you really had, I think Magnus's

car is sold for 48. If you take the Magnus part out of it, I think that car is high 20s at best

at best. And so I think I think the Magnus effect added 50% value. And I tried to research

the guy who bought it. But I would bet money, Tim, that the guy who bought it was a younger buyer who

was turned on by Magnus, the urban outlaw. And this is a great way for him to get into the hobby.

He's going to have a little work to do. And I'm always been a fan of Magnus. And if that

I'm glad he's selling some shit, man, he needs to get rid of some stuff. He's got so much

stuff. And the reason I'm motivated to get rid of stuff is maybe he'll buy more stuff for me

or buy something interesting. So that was the two things I was really curious to see what they did.

It's always about you, Paul. Everybody's always thinking about what

By the way, we're all humans. It's always we're all selfish people. We're human.

Okay, well, yeah, but you know, it is interesting. I have never tracked Magnus's sales of his other

cars. But I have heard rumored that they all pretty much do sell over, you know,

normal retail for the cars. That's pretty 50% is the number I came up with.

Yeah. So I mean, when full throttle talk becomes indeed the number one automotive podcast in the

world, you guys can all raise your prices on the cars you're consigning. So there you go. Path forward.

So Paul, a question for you that can you flip back to the white car again?

So that that has so it's got side skirts in the wing.

Factory side skirts, factory wing. So I don't know. So let's say that that was a 2004

with Aero Kit Cup two, let's say it was a 2004 with Aero Kit Cup two, which is basically like

the what a 996 GT three looks like. What do you would that have been more commensurate to

Magnus's car? Yeah, but don't forget that's a real rare car too. Aero kit wasn't a factory

Aero kit. It was outed after on so this at least were were all a car. You could see

they ordered the side skirts and then they ordered the wing. If this car had the factory

Aero kit, which would make it look a little more like a 996 GT three, not quite. I think it would

have been 10 grand more because Aero kit 996 cars are super rare, super rare. So and they're

sought after. You know, I'm going to save my response into the next podcast because I think

we've broken our record for a long podcast. So if there's an award for being able to

bloviate for, you know, hours on end about basically one topic, we totally win.

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