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Welcome to the Porsche Club Insider, your one stop for all things Porsche and PCA.
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Here's your host, Vu Gwin, and the Insider crew.
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Welcome everyone to Episode 180.
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We are back at PCA's national office, and to my right, I have Manny Aubin to my left,
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our special guest which I'll introduce in a moment, and at the controls, we have Damon
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Our guest today, he's back.
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Peter Simpson, service manager of Porsche of Owings Mills.
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We'll hear a little bit of some day-to-day stories, but he's got this project, the Classic
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Restoration Challenge project, that's come to, I would say, kind of to the last chapter,
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Yeah, we're almost there.
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And thanks for having me back.
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These past few months flew by, and I feel like I was just here.
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And I miss the unveiling, but I'm looking forward to hearing all about that.
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I'm going to give my wheel guy a lot of crap.
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I'm supposed to have my cup ones painted.
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I dropped them off before I went to the, when we first saw the 996, and he was just taking
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it apart, you know?
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And now the 996 is done, and my wheels still haven't been painted.
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Did you make the mistake that I did and said, take your time?
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I said, they never said that.
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Don't tell me that either.
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So I've sent them emails saying every week on checking all my wheels, checking all my
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So how was everyone's weekend?
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Yeah, it was, we went to a, it's my, she and my wife dragged me to this Chesapeake
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region concor judging school.
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They teach you how people are interested in becoming concor judges, how to judge,
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what to look for, what the roles are.
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And yeah, I was checking with them.
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I said, I probably have 30 minutes of material for the podcast about the, yeah, I'm sorry,
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I think it in a big picture of things when, and it's not just concor, but any hobby, you
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know, get people that are really into it and really devoted and the minutia they will
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start arguing over.
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And we got into a big discussion about decals on cars and whether they should be allowed
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And we got a lot of questions about Alcantara and whether it should be brushed a certain
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And what I discovered was a lot of these questions were also very self-interest because the person
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asking you would say, are you asking for a friend or do you own an Alcantara?
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Oh, I got a friend that happens, yeah.
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So if my Alcantara is clean, but it's mad because it's worn, do I get points
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Oh yeah, it was a pretty good school.
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Yeah, very well attended.
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So this was to teach people how to judge, not how to prepare their cars.
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No, just how to judge because then two of the members, I don't know why, but they submitted
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their cars and it was kind of like doing a colonoscopy and having about 20 people commenting
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when you're colonizing as the doctor was doing it because they went to town on these
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My Concord career ended with, what was it in Chicago?
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What parade was that?
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That was St. Charles.
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That's where they, you know, I worked extremely hard to prepare my 2006 Cayenne, worked all
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night, took the wheels off and they knew it, but they didn't tell me I was the only
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Thankfully I still scored high in points, so I got some extra awards, but yeah, I could
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have just left the Cheerios and French fries in the car and I still would have
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But anyways, it was a good experience.
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How about you, Damon?
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You went autocrossing?
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Yeah, I did go autocrossing and it was with a local club, Brandywine Motorsports Club,
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which brings in a mix of PCAers.
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Pinto was there, you know, and local SCCA members, but they're from Delaware, so it
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was kind of like, BMC is a Delaware-based club.
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So it was kind of cool.
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We get to autocross against some people, maybe you don't always.
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And my latest project has been to learn how to left foot brake.
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And so I've done two autocrosses where I only left foot brake.
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I was about a second slower than what I usually would be, you know, compared to some
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of my benchmarks, you know, people I race against.
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This time, I beat the person that I wanted to beat with while I was left foot breaking.
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I did a mix of my first run was left foot to get used to it, and then I tried to set
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a time for the second and third runs using my right foot.
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And then my fastest time was my fifth run with my left foot.
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And I did left foot braking the rest of the way through.
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So I'm pretty happy about that.
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So when you texted all of us about that, I thought about how, like, when we go
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go-karting, not PCA events just to be clear, but when we personally go go-karting,
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the braking is like no big deal for me, right?
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But in a car, like where I have to, I guess, put my foot on top of the brake pedal
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also because you have a clutch there as well, like it's awkward.
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Like, I can get pretty awkward, you know, in, let's say, a sweeper, left hand,
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left, left turn sweeper, and you have to get on the brakes right afterward.
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So you're taking that left hand turn, a lot of g-forces and your
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leg isn't, you know, you want to have your leg ready and your foot ready to get
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on the brakes right afterwards.
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But in the meantime, do you put it on the foot rest, the dead pedal, which is quite
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a leap to get to the brake pedal, or do you just hold it above the brake pedal
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against the g-forces?
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So there are some things to figure out.
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That's certainly a skill that I'd like to work on.
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And yeah, we'll try that.
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I think I give it up.
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But you can do it in a cart.
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I can do it in a go-kart.
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But yeah, someone's shuffling in a, to me, our sim racing rig will help with that.
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And also, there's something else that I've noticed about this.
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So practicing on the Cayenne, where the brake pedal is somewhat soft, you know,
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it's not a very firm brake pedal compared to the Cayman.
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It's harder to modulate with your left foot and traffic.
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But if you're just going for it and your two levels are not on the brakes
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or brake really hard, it's not as hard as you might think.
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So tell the listeners, what's the advantage of learning the left foot brake?
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So the microseconds between coming off the brake and onto the gas pedal
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and off the gas pedal and onto the brake.
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And also, I would think to trail brake, you can set the front end a little bit
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longer because you have your left foot on the brake before you fully let go.
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And I do hold my braking in my turns a little bit longer to keep the weight
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on the front and make sure, in fact, I was talking to the young guy I was instructing.
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Like, stay on your brake a little bit longer to keep the weight on the front
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so you can turn in and get closer to the cones because he was letting go
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and moving over to the gas too early.
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And as soon as he did that, the car just went away from the cone
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and wanted to go straight.
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So I think if you're able to do both of those by left foot braking.
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That's what I learned.
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It wasn't the shifting part.
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It was balancing the car because if you're just full on brake,
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then you're loading up the front end and you're losing traction in the rear
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because everything's going to the front.
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But if you can stay on the gas and then apply brake to get moves of weight
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now to the front a little bit, it balances the car.
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Yeah, that's where I couldn't do because remember, it's not.
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You're braking at the very less millisecond you have to break.
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So you're already in full and intense and you're going to spend this car.
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And if you're trail breaking, it means you're into the into the corners.
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So you're even losing more grip.
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And yeah, my mind and when you are trail breaking.
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And this is why I try to use it to my advantages.
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And we talked about how the traction control spun me last time.
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So when you're trail breaking, your front end is going to get light
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and you have to be aware of that.
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And then, in fact, I use it to my rear end.
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The rear end, what I say?
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Front end, I was going to go with it for a second.
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The rear end, the rear end gets light and it comes around on you.
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And in a lot of cases, I want that.
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But if you're not prepared for that, that could definitely freak you out.
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Yeah. Yeah. And at this point, you know, I'm not blending throttle
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and brakes like what Manny was saying.
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I'm more just looking for the time in between.
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And then the other thing about that is in the middle of a turn,
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let's say you need a really small adjustment
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and lifting off the throttle, you know, you're already off the throttle.
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Maybe you're still understeering.
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If you you can easily give a quick stab to set the front end,
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maybe for decreasing radius and get the nose to bite
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in the rear end to maybe come into rotation.
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So it's mostly that at some point I'll start blending.
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But that that's like another level of cool.
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Congratulations. Thank you.
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So, Peter, are you like us?
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Like, even though we're like in the car world all week long
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and Saturday and Sunday comes, we still do car stuff.
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Like, do you still do that?
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Or do you get away and be like, oh, I don't want to look at another car?
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No, I'm still through and through a car guy.
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You know, if I'm not tinkering on something at the shop, I got my garage.
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I'm usually mess around with stuff in there.
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So my whole weekend was taking our project car for the its maiden voyage.
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I had to kind of shake it down and also film it for the first time, too,
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because all of our reporting was due to Porsche on Monday.
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So I submit a video, I submit a recap.
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I just submit two different power points on the two events we did with you guys.
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So my weekend was all cars Saturday and Sunday.
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And then I try to find time for my personal stuff.
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I was telling you I have an old E34 and five and my 997 and my 996
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actually got a bunch of water damage.
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So yeah, it leaked through the cowl and took out my mobilize
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underneath the driver's seat.
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So I'm doing that right now.
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I just I just did the alternator, you know, a month prior.
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And then it's always something on old cars.
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So you have old cars.
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You're always there's always always a list of to do's.
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And so right now, the 996 might now that I've got the project car
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kind of almost done, I'm going to start focusing on my stuff again.
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Yes, it was for me a rare opportunity to do autocrosses
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back to back weekends.
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And last weekend, the previous weekend was with Potomac.
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This weekend, I was with the B.M.
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National Capital Chapter, BMW CCA at Summit Point.
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And they had a test in tune, 20 runs.
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It was it was incredible.
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And it could have been more.
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But honestly, I was just like I was tired.
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And I also did a couple of road with some people to instruct.
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And this is going to be funny.
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We a kid walked up and recognized, I guess, my voice or my face.
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From the podcast, he said, oh, I'm also a PCA member.
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He came up in S 2000 and he said, I haven't been
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autocrossing in a while.
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I was wondering if I could have some pointers.
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I'm sure you want to ride along.
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And he asked for Damon, then.
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Yeah, right. Exactly.
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Damon was not there.
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So he had to settle for me.
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Thanks for the funny part is he sits and he's like, so.
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So how long have you been doing this?
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And I'm like, oh, as I had to think back and say, oh,
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I've been doing this since like 92, 93.
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He goes, man, that was before I was born.
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I'm like, get out, get out of the car.
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Not just kidding, but it was really cool to see
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kind of a new newbies perspective and talking about,
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you know, threshold breaking and showing him sort of.
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And he he really did take advantage of jumping in from different cars
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to see how I see how different cars and different drivers reacted.
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The photo that's on YouTube right now is when I was at Potomac
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two weekends ago, I was just hoping that I could have
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a little bit more grip in the rear end.
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And honestly, I just didn't have time to, like, change my sway bar settings
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or anything like that.
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I was like, so I remembered at one time, did you know that an Mk one
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arrow kit rear wing, a.k.a.
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the taco wing has adjustable blade positions?
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Yeah, I didn't know that.
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And I don't know how I remember when Mike Levitas is racing
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imps, I guess, maybe if I was one of this lower race groups,
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like motorroller or something.
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Anyways, he's around uprights with the taco wing raised much higher
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than in the factory, obviously.
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So, you know, I was like, OK, this is something easy to do before
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I head out to some point.
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And so I adjusted it to the maximum up position.
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And I don't know, you know, how much it helped other than
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like the fast sweepers.
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I did feel, to me, again, it might just be in my head
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because I have the confidence, but I did feel like in the high
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speed sweepers, the back end was more planted.
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I also changed, I lowered the rear tire pressure by two pounds.
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I was running like 28 pounds in the back.
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And then I increased the pressure in the front tires, two pounds
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because I usually run 28 in the front and I ran 30.
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So the combination of 30 front, 28 rear, taco wing, full tilt.
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The car ran fantastic.
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It was very predictable.
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You had higher temperature in the front than the rear.
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I was going to say that's really odd because I because I didn't
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I wanted to lose a little bit of grip in the front.
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I want to lose a little bit of grip in the front.
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So that's why I went up two pounds and I wanted more grip in the back.
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That's what you need for comments.
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And maybe maybe it sounds like you're trying to adjust
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your tire pressures around another problem.
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It is certainly possible.
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All I know is it equated into the car ran very well.
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And actually I ran against a couple cars that I was at least
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three seconds behind Apatomic.
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And at this run, I was like a second behind.
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Maybe it was the course who knows.
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And that's the beauty of autocrosses.
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You have the opportunity to kind of play around and have some fun with it.
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Let's get into the restoration challenge and just remind folks.
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If you don't mind, Peter, remind folks what the rest classic
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restoration challenges.
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Yes. So the restoration challenges, something Porsche puts on for this
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is their fifth year doing it.
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They invite all of their dealerships to kind of be challenged.
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So we have like certain things we have to meet every year for marketing
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spend, and this can be one of those things that can go towards that
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And so the dealerships get to choose three different categories to enter into.
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There's the restoration category, which would, you know, take a car
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and put it back exactly the way it came from the factory.
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Then you have a preservation category and there's some mileage
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in your restrictions on this.
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So it has to have over 70,000 miles on it.
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So you can't just find some showroom, you know, queen, that, you know,
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there's nothing wrong with it.
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You actually have a car that was driven and you have to preserve it.
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So you can only repaint 25% of the car instead of reupholstering
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the whole interior.
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You have to kind of refinish it and preserve it.
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And then there's the individualization category, the one we're in.
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And this is where you can have your creative freedom to kind of do
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whatever you want to any Porsche model that's considered a classic.
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I guess they prefer you to use Porsche classic parts whenever possible.
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So part of the judging process, there's a whole list of things
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It's the thousand points.
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Part of it is the marketing we do throughout the year.
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Part of it is documenting the process, the video.
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We have to submit and then half of it is the quality of the car.
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And so there's certain categories.
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So they'll say, you know, engine use of use of genuine Porsche parts.
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And so that'd be worth 20 points.
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And then you'll kind of go down the list of suspension and brakes.
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So there's certain things that will say use of genuine Porsche parts
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And then there's a certain things that, you know, for wheels,
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you know, are they appropriate?
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You know, so there'll be certain things like that.
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I guess for our listeners, this wasn't always the case of Porsche.
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You would never tell anyone to take their older Porsche to a dealer.
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Because they would say, these guys have never seen an air cooled car.
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Don't take your car there.
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And that has changed over the past, I don't know, 15, 20 years,
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maybe since Porsche Classic really came into the scene and they started
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pushing like this restoration challenge and Porsche themselves.
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I remember with PCA they restored a 73T and they wanted to show the world
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that they still could work on their own cars from from the past.
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So and I think the end of the individualization is pretty cool
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because one of the other things that you're always told was a dealer
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will not do anything.
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The model, your car's modifications don't take it to the dealer
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because they won't touch it.
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And now you're seeing dealers that do do mods and will put stuff on your
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car. So it's pretty interesting to see the evolution of the dealer.
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That's the exact word I was just thinking of is the evolution of the dealerships
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and the evolution of the customer in wanting certain things done to their
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car, but then also Porsche themselves evolving to making sure that they
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have all these parts available to these older models because without
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their support in making this stuff, it would make ownership very difficult.
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Yeah. And it's, you know, in the world of, you know, these finding
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technicians that have that experience, you know, I'm I'm fortunate enough,
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I have a tech that's been working on and off for Porsche and Audi for the past
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30 years. So he's seen a lot of these cars when they're brand new.
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And so he's kind of my go to going, you know, hey, I have a 993
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Targa that's having issues with their roof.
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And he's just going, oh, man, because he's done it.
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He knows, he knows what he's done it all for.
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And he knows exactly what it takes to take those apart and get them
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And they're factory trained or the training course.
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And that's just that process of getting all those little motors in the
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back to sync up, right?
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So that roof, you know, doesn't bind.
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And so is his normal response, close it and disconnect the button.
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No, he kind of likes to shake his head at me and just go, oh, but, you
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know, we try to, you know, we want to support the classic community.
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You know, it doesn't, it wouldn't, it doesn't make sense to say, oh,
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no, we don't want to work on those cars.
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And that's what I'm passionate about.
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I love analog, you know, mechanical, you know, that kind of, that sensation
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you get of driving an older vehicle like that with no driver aids.
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But I think that also comes with the attitude or the passion, the dealership,
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the dealership owners, the dealership management has because let's face it,
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it's much easier to just remove and replace modern stuff, right?
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And, and, and just bill out like constantly as opposed to when you
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get into these projects, sometimes you're kind of married to them.
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So you have to have some sort of passion for doing this and wanting
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to provide this service to the customer.
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And I think that's what that's what Porsche Classic expects.
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And when you become a Porsche Classic dealer, they know that you believe in that too.
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They provide the parts.
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I forgot how many thousands I think of parts, classic ads.
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Or catalog every year.
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And I tell people, I go, there's a form, not a form, but a button
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on their website that you can hit and you can put on there at a part
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that you're looking for that they don't have available.
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And if they get enough requests, they'll start making it.
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And it's happened to my friend was nine, six, four body party needed.
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And they didn't they said, we get five orders.
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We'll make it for you.
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Yeah, I ran into that with this car, but I didn't have the time to wait.
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So actually I had to get 3D printing involved on some of the parts.
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Well, hopefully it sends a message to we'll talk to Alex.
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When the when the dealer decides to embark on the classic restoration
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challenge is the I guess the budget purely on the dealership.
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It's up to our discretion what we're willing to spend.
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You know, it's not necessarily a fair fight either.
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You know, some of these dealerships, I've seen the builds they do.
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Like the guy, I think he won last year, that was a very impressive build.
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So I went up against him, you know, for the regional competition.
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He went on to win the whole thing.
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He was the Grand National Championship and the car you could just tell
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that they sunk a lot of money into it.
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And it was a beautiful car.
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And this is the dealer's car.
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This is the customer's car.
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That one was a customer's car.
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So you're allowed to have a customer.
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If you're fortunate to have a customer backing the build, like that.
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That's that's great for some, you know, on our case,
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we buy the cars the past few years, we bought them ourselves
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and then we built them and we sold last year's car to a customer
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up in Massachusetts and we're going to be doing the same thing with this car.
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Once we're done doing the whole challenge, we'll list it for sale.
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I think the gentleman who has a deposit on it right now, listen to the podcast
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we did last time, called me up a couple of weeks later going,
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I loved everything you said.
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I want the car without even seeing it.
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So where do we submit our commission check commission invoice?
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I mean, what's the next project?
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Right. So not every dealership, you know, they get to decide
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how much they're willing to invest.
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You know, because to them, it's got to be makes sense at the end.
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You know, it's going to be worthwhile for their investment
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and you know, it's going to make the dealership money
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and all those kind of things are kind of factored in.
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That's awesome that honestly an insider interview or discussion
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led to someone to their next dream car.
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Yeah. I was blown away.
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I was very flattered that he was that enthusiastic of just the ideas
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I had for without even seeing it.
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So with the last one, once it was brought back,
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then you're just putting it for sale like as a as a.
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Yeah. Once once the car came back, we were in Chicago last year.
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We just, you know, cleaned it up, took a bunch of photos of it,
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because it was such a unique build, you know, an off-road, you know,
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C4S, but I couldn't have been happier with the gentleman who bought it.
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He loves the car. He keeps sending me photos of it.
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He's been off-roading. It was a common trend, remember?
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He's he was the he was the perfect guy to buy that car.
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So before we move on, are you still going to be restoring a nine
24:53
fourteen two years from now, just to keep them as a sponsor?
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So you can say that every time.
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I think it's it is independent.
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I would say start restoring because you have not started.
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I haven't started restoring.
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And you've taken a part.
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Anyone can turn a wrench left.
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I know. I guilty of that.
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Taking a part of car.
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So I will say the very first part I bought for my nine fourteen
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when I brought it home from Oklahoma is because I think I shared with you
25:27
that my one of my calipers froze.
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And then when I as soon as I got at home, I was like, you know what?
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I'm going to put all four new calipers on the car
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and get me on my way to my nine fourteen experience.
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So my first part that I bought, which was back, this was in 2007.
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And they were pretty rare.
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It was finding and I'll ask Manny because he'll know the rear brake calipers
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were really rare for for nine fourteen.
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They're not so much rare is that they're a little harder to adjust
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than the than the fronts.
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I wouldn't say they're rare, though.
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Back then they were rare because I tried.
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Well, OK, finding them at a reasonable price, maybe it was rare.
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OK, maybe I declare it's been so long.
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It's rare finding a GT3 RS for 100,000.
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Yes, I was in my first year of college when you picked that car up.
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Oh, gosh, get out of the room, get out of the room.
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So maybe that's what it was.
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It was me finding the good news, like I've told you hundreds of times
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is that the car has gone up in value since you bought it.
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Yes, nine four teams now are very desirable.
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So yeah, I think it'd be a perfect project
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for a poster owns mills or a store next year.
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Think about think about all the press, all the press.
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You know, all the press they would get from.
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Let's talk. Let's talk.
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It was nine fourteen.
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Yeah, we need a project car for next year.
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And then you could have your son drive at this graduation.
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I like it. I like it.
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I've never seen this car.
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Youngest son has never seen it.
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My two oldest have pictures in it, but my youngest has only heard
27:07
about pumpkin, the myth and the rumor.
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We'll talk later about that. OK.
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But back into your your your project at hand here.
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Obviously, we mentioned it earlier.
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That's the nine nine six.
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Tell us about the condition a bit and then
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the process because we talked about it before.
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I'm just going to say if you want me to bring up
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a specific picture for YouTube viewers, just let me know.
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Otherwise, I'm just going to try and find the as we are.
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Well, can I say why nine nine six?
27:39
It's kind of it's been interesting.
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I've never really thought of myself as like a nine nine six guy
27:46
like last year when I was really starting to look for him
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for the last year's project car, and we ended up going with the C4S
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And then just being in that car, I really started to appreciate him.
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And you know, these cars for the longest time have kind of like
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languished as the you know, the black sheep of the nine elevens.
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People just like, oh, the ugly headlights, you know,
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they got IMS bearing issues.
28:08
They got bore scoring issues.
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The interior is awful.
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Like they were just anything they could find wrong with a car.
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They just would say it.
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And so and I think I was kind of guilty of that, too, you know,
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especially when the nine nine seven came out right after you.
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Like, oh, this is a much superior car.
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But I have grown to just to love those cars for what they really are.
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I think the the design of them has aged very well.
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You know, when they're cleaned up, right?
28:30
They look they're a very good looking car, like your car with it.
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When it has the arrow, I think it's a gorgeous car.
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I always loved it. And I yeah, I've taken the beating, right?
28:38
I've taken the beating for decades of owning that car because everyone.
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But now I feel like I feel like my
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especially the the dot one cars with the original headlights.
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Yeah, I think people really appreciate them now.
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And in fact, they look at a nine nine seven front end now and they go,
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oh, that's kind of plain.
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Yeah, I mean, generic.
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You don't you don't know what it is.
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Yeah, I will buy your plane nine, I seven any day.
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And I argue like those headlights are the GT one headlights.
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You know, I've been saying that I've been saying that all along.
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So we're getting our day.
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So I think they're I think their values are going to start coming up,
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especially the arrow kick cars. I think they're next.
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But they're just especially the ninety nine's.
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I love those the most because they're kind of that bridge.
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They're that, you know, from transitioning from the air cool nine nine threes.
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There's still some kind of older characteristics to them.
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I mean, they still kind of feel like a vintage nine eleven.
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They still have that analog feeling to them.
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They have that cable throttle body.
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Yeah, there's no driver assist to them.
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They're light. They're by today's standards.
29:43
It's a really small, it's a small car.
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And so, you know, if you're looking for that kind of that pure
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driving experience where you're going to feel the road,
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you know, with the hydraulic steering.
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And I just think that's a platform that
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they're not super expensive to maintain either.
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And you know, there's plenty of parts available for them.
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I just I think it's a they're a great platform.
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And when we were looking for cars, we went kind of down through the gambit.
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I was there was a eighty five nine eleven.
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I was pitching to, you know, the dealership to buy there.
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I even found a silver rose nine forty four turbo s
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that was stolen in eighty nine and had been missing for thirty some plus years.
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I thought it was a great story.
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But title issues kind of held that one up.
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And then we ended up looking at the auction sites and, you know,
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this car we found out in Utah, I actually saw it for sale
30:37
the year prior when I was bought the C four S and the car still isn't sold.
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I mean, it was in rough shape.
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I mean, it just looked neglected.
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It was a rich one owner, seventy two thousand original miles.
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So on paper, it started sounding really good.
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I think it was a kind of a pedestrian color.
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It was. It was beige on base.
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You know, Toyota, Camry, you know, color combo.
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But it was it had good bones to it.
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It was, you know, rust free, low mileage.
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It was kind of like I looked at like a blank canvas and you knew you were going to redo it.
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So and I knew that. Yeah.
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So, you know, for underneath the car, I knew that I wouldn't have to worry
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about structural issues and had never been in an accident.
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You know, I was going to have to go through the whole thing entirely,
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you know, engine, suspension, brakes, all that kind of stuff.
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But we were already planning on doing that.
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So it was kind of it fit the bill, you know, and I always wanted to build
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like a GT three tribute.
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That was the car we never got.
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You know, the first generation GT three was Europe only.
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And that's my dream car to get one of those.
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I love the import one.
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Yeah. So I wanted to build something
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that was kind of paid tribute to that somewhere in between a base
31:48
Carrera and a GT three kind of club sportish.
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And then we kind of it snowballed into doing a wide body
31:55
because we bought the wrong wheels, but it it ended up doing some of the stuff
31:59
that I've always seen on the forums, you know, guys, like,
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how can I get the turbo bumper on a narrow body car?
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And so that was something I always wanted to do, get those rear,
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you know, grills on the rear bumper on a car like that.
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And then it just it turned into a very fun build and a rewarding build.
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And I'm very happy the way it turned out.
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Yeah, that's what I remember from the last time you were here
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that the the project sort of took a turn with the wheels,
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because I'm getting new wheels, well, you got new wheels,
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but they weren't the right offset.
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And the solution to that was not getting another set of no solution
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to that was doing bodywork. Right.
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I think the most I think ever, not to sell the wheel
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to get the right wheels, but we're going to make this thing fit.
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Yeah. Well, it ended up being we didn't build a restoration around the car.
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We ended up building a car around the wheel. Yeah, exactly.
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And it snowballed a lot more.
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And I thought all the little extra parts that you wouldn't think you'd have to get.
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So, you know, I got the wheels.
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All right. Well, now I need a wide body rear bumper.
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All right. Now I need the brackets that attach to the rear bumper.
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I need the wheel well liners.
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And then I need the bumperettes because the turbos
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and C4S have different style bumperettes.
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And then those don't fit onto the rear brace support behind that.
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So I got to buy the rear brace support.
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It just kept going. I didn't realize that.
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And then there's all the little trim that goes around the exhaust.
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And then I had to get custom custom made tailpipes
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because if I'm using narrow body mufflers,
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they aren't the same as the C4S, but it just kept going.
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That's like the person who I warned when they cleaned there.
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They fixed their speedometer or odometer.
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And I go, just be aware that when you get it back,
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that car odometer speedometer is going to look brand new
33:38
because they're going to clean it, right?
33:39
And it's going to look like make your other gauges look like crap.
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So now you're going to clean that.
33:43
That's going to make your dash look terrible
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because the gauges look new in the dash.
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So that I said, and pretty soon you're going to have the whole car
33:50
taken apart all because you want to fix to go down.
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Yeah. So that's what it sounds like.
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Before we get to the details of the the wide body and all that,
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am I good to show our YouTube viewers what the car looks like now?
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Let's do that because it looks really good.
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Yeah. And you can barely tell that it's a wide body from certain angles.
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But I said, as soon as I saw, I said, this is what I think they should have.
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I never had a problem with the headlights.
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It was the slab sidedness of the car.
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Yeah, it lost the career of flares at the nine nine three.
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It's predecessor had.
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And I think this they did a great job of
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many maybe describe the car to people that aren't watching on YouTube.
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Well, what color is it?
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So it is amethyst metallic is the color we choose.
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Our body shop, when the little creative flare with it, they put a flow code on top.
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So it makes it kind of have that darker look.
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So when you get right on top of you, see all that depth?
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Yeah, in my watch, I had a little purple to it.
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She said, oh, amethyst, but I didn't see it.
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But it's yeah, it's a striking color.
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And we'll hear about how they how they widen the rear end, but it's very subtle.
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And you probably won't notice unless you have another nine, nine, six next to right.
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And that's how the C for us is where when you when you looked at them,
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it was a very subtle wide body.
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But the rear was really, really awesome.
35:13
Yeah. And when you have a straight shot of the rear of the car,
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you can really see it looks it looks mean.
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Then he told us that they actually moved the front out a little bit, too.
35:21
Well, those wheels were weird.
35:23
They're a weird offset.
35:24
So I'm not sure what Gambala was doing back then
35:28
if they had some sort of their own arrow kit they were putting on the cars.
35:30
But the rear stuck out a little too far.
35:33
And even the fronts were out a little too far.
35:34
So yeah, you're a nine, nine, six, aficionado.
35:37
You're going to notice up right away.
35:39
If you're a casual Porsche enthusiast,
35:42
you're just going to see a really good looking car with an arrow kit,
35:46
aggressive stance, a great looking wheels.
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And I six people are probably going to be wondering, how can I do this to my car?
35:53
So the Amethyst metallic, the wheel,
35:56
Gambala wheels are now gold.
35:57
But what kind of neodymical neodymical.
36:00
Yeah, the the fenders are flared out
36:03
perfectly to the to the edge of the tires.
36:06
Well, we had to say that's even a funny story about that too.
36:08
So we got wheels that were slightly too wide.
36:12
We widened the car to the specs of a wide body.
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And I still had to push my wheels out a little farther.
36:18
Oh, I'm running a 10 millimeter wheel space from the back now, too.
36:22
Oh, so it went further than it went further than the wheel needed.
36:25
What size tire did you end up?
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It's a it's a two eighty five on that wheel.
36:29
I probably could have gone to tonight.
36:30
Well, I bought those tires before I decided to go wide body.
36:33
That was the biggest tire I thought I could squeeze in a narrow body.
36:36
So do you know the dimensions of the width now versus a wide body car?
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Is it wider than a wide body car?
36:42
The fenders should be almost exactly what a factory C4S should be.
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Because you match it to the rear bumper. We match to that rear bumper.
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So we think we gained about an inch and a half to two inches per side.
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OK, in width, but you didn't use any wide body body work.
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You guys did it yourself.
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Yeah, because we wanted to do it, you know, something that Porsche.
37:06
Would have done. So we just we did it the old school way,
37:08
you know, with a hammer and, you know, he did it all by hand.
37:11
It was I was blown away by how he did it.
37:15
We didn't cut any of the metal, you know, no grafting.
37:18
It was just I was amazed on how he was able to sculpt
37:22
that rear shape to make it look like it was done from the factory.
37:25
So he was able to shape and extend that
37:28
without pulling the fender off the car.
37:31
No. So if you pretty much he got that rear bumper on there,
37:34
pulled the metal out to match where he wanted the width to be.
37:37
And then he slowly worked his way up.
37:39
That's to shape it to like that nice
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car tour to make it look like it was done done from the factory.
37:47
They look up until this photo.
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I thought, I think I can do it.
37:51
You're like, oh, just take a baseball bat
37:53
and run it back and forth a couple of times.
37:55
No, but Tim is he's a very talented guy.
37:57
And we're very lucky to have him at our our body shop.
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Is it still a sunroof car?
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Did you keep a sunroof?
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Kept a sunroof. Yeah, that I didn't have time for that.
38:05
There was certain things, you know, if we had two years to do this car,
38:09
you know, I could have gone full rotisserie on it.
38:12
And, you know, we could have really like done some custom custom stuff to it.
38:16
But within the four months we had to do the car, this was pushing it.
38:21
So C4 I see C4S rear bumper,
38:24
arrow kit side skirts, arrow kit front end.
38:27
And then you also did the taco wing.
38:29
Yeah, I love that taco wing.
38:31
I know it's it's it's my favorite wing Porsche ever did.
38:34
Damon, can you go to the interior?
38:36
Because I thought I saw some cool stuff on the interior
38:38
because originally it was beige, beige, beige, beige, beige.
38:40
Right. But it seems as though you broke it up with some introducing some black.
38:43
Yeah. And so I kind of took inspiration.
38:46
We had a ST that got delivered a couple of months prior to doing this car.
38:51
And, you know, they had a really nice two tone, you know,
38:55
they're the brown they were using there was a little darker,
38:57
but it was a two tone interior with and it really made it seem
39:00
like it was a classy, you know, it broke up that all beige look.
39:04
So I wanted it all to glare. Right.
39:06
So I really wanted to mimic that.
39:07
So that's why we. Wow.
39:11
We got a different color steering wheel, black carpet.
39:15
You know, we did some you had the carpet on the door panels.
39:18
That was a nightmare to do, too.
39:19
Those are all plastic riveted in there.
39:21
So to disassemble that door panel was a was a bear.
39:25
But we got it a really nice two tone looking interior.
39:28
And then, you know, the centerpiece is really those seats.
39:31
Those are factory replica GT three seats.
39:35
Nice. And you they came in that color.
39:38
Did you have to have it?
39:39
I had a custom order them that way.
39:41
So that was they're from England.
39:44
OK. And I was a little nervous
39:46
because when every any time you're reupholstering a seat,
39:51
especially a tan seat, yeah, it's it's really hard to match old tan
39:55
versus tan. Got you.
39:56
And I had to approve it just by a picture via email.
40:00
And they're going, this is the closest we got.
40:02
I was crossing my fingers and please, when they show up, please be close.
40:06
And I was very happy how close of a match it was to the original Savannah beige.
40:11
The you went from a three spoke wheel to a four spoke wheel.
40:14
But that four spoke will also looks like the the the diameter of the.
40:21
They look like it's a thicker rimmed wheel.
40:24
So this I found this wheel on eBay.
40:28
I love a three spoke wheel.
40:29
I put one in my nine nine six.
40:31
They demand a lot more money.
40:32
Yeah. But this one was completely remanufactured.
40:35
So it had a brand new leather wrap on it.
40:38
I like you said, I think they did a little bit thicker.
40:40
Yeah, it looks good.
40:41
The four spoke kind of reminds me of the very early, early cars.
40:43
Sure. You know, so this was a ninety nine.
40:45
You know, I was like, it's kind of fitting.
40:46
I'm going to put the the very first, you know, early wheel on there
40:50
before the three spoke was available.
40:51
Yeah, it looks good.
40:53
Yeah, the white gauge faces were they already on the car?
40:56
Those were factory.
40:57
And we kind of toyed with playing around with the color of the gauge faces.
41:01
But my sales manager, he was like, Pete, you know, how rare those were?
41:05
Like that was a good option to have back then.
41:06
So I was like, oh, so we replaced all the little digital screens
41:11
in the bottom, you know, how those pixel eight.
41:13
So I had that sent out to have those already done.
41:15
Did you I see the shifter, of course, the shifter knob is new,
41:19
but is the shifter mechanism new?
41:21
So yeah, the shifter mechanism, we we took one out of a nine, nine, seven.
41:24
Nice. So we put that that's such an easy swap.
41:27
Anyone has a best upgrade.
41:29
Yeah. Anyone has a nine, nine, six.
41:30
It's it really you can do it in a day or an afternoon.
41:33
Really, the console comes out fairly easily.
41:36
It's four bolts that hold that shifter assembly.
41:38
And really, this changed the characteristic of not too short, not too
41:41
notchy, but perfect.
41:43
Yeah. And then we topped it off with a handmade Carrera GT style
41:50
Now, the body kit that is on the air,
41:53
it looks like an arrow kit and stuff, but it's by Getty by Getty.
41:56
Yeah. At first, I was trying to source an original one,
42:00
but to find an original arrow kit, piece it all together,
42:04
one that's in good shape that hasn't been beat up.
42:06
You're you're shelling out some big bucks, even if you can find it.
42:10
Are those available through Porsche Classic anymore or no?
42:15
I think you can get part of it.
42:17
I think you can get the front bumper.
42:19
I think that wing is impossible to get.
42:21
Really? But I, especially in the time frame we had, you know,
42:24
you said, you know, I could probably order one from Porsche
42:27
and they'd wait till they had enough orders before they would send it to me.
42:32
Getty's got a great reputation for the quality kits they make.
42:37
A lot of our club researchers use Getty, don't they?
42:39
Yeah. And they the wing that fit very well.
42:44
I was very impressed in how well that deck lid
42:46
just kind of bolted right up and we didn't have to do a whole lot to it.
42:51
The color, the Amethyst metallic, was that your choosing?
42:55
Or did you have like a group decision?
42:57
Or it was so, yeah, our GM and I,
43:01
we kind of sat down and looked at a lot of different colors.
43:04
Amethyst is one that it's just such a beautiful color.
43:07
I don't know why Porsche didn't offer it more years.
43:09
They brought it back briefly on the Cayenne.
43:11
I think it was 17 or 18 or something like that.
43:15
But it was it's such a pretty color.
43:17
And I think on a 9-11, it's just my sister's favorite color is purple.
43:22
And I remember when they came out with that.
43:24
Yeah. And she was also potentially shopping for a Cayenne.
43:27
I send it to her and she fell in love with it.
43:28
Yeah, it's a beautiful color.
43:29
So did the decision to paint the wheels come after the car was painted?
43:33
After the car was painted.
43:34
You looked at, OK. Yeah.
43:36
And I saw I was looking at, you know, googling Amethyst metallic 9-11
43:40
to kind of see what, you know, what colors went with each other,
43:44
especially with our Savannah beige interior.
43:48
I kind of toyed of like, I keep the wheel silver,
43:50
then I probably got silver stripe down the side or even a black stripe down the side.
43:55
I saw a GT3, I think it was an 18 or a 19.
43:58
And it was Amethyst metallic with neodyne gold wheels and and that same
44:03
side I can I could order that same side stripe and neodyne gold.
44:07
And so that that was kind of the decision maker.
44:09
Let's repaint the wheels.
44:10
Let's put the matching gold side stripe on it.
44:13
And kind of tie the whole car together.
44:14
I think it really kind of makes the interior tie together with the wheels and everything.
44:18
And it kind of just brings it all all together.
44:20
So I like the neodyne color.
44:23
I was thinking of painting my M.Y.O.2's color.
44:26
But my my question was, how did you get the center caps to match?
44:30
Did you paint the center cap?
44:32
Oh, and it's really hard like the photos here.
44:35
It's it's a very hard color to photograph in almost color shifts.
44:40
Like in these photographs, it looks a little bit more yellow.
44:42
Where you see it in person.
44:43
It's got more of like a matte finish and the light really kind of reflects off
44:47
it differently. So that's painted.
44:51
Yeah, it's painted. It's painted.
44:53
The center caps on those gambola wheels were metal.
44:55
So they were pretty easy to paint.
44:57
And the crest was elevated.
44:59
So we just we just taped them off and painted around them.
45:03
Suspension wise, it looks like it's sitting lower than stock.
45:07
Yeah. So last time we talked about
45:09
Bill Steen's or Coney's and we talked about, you know, M.O.
45:17
But after I saw the wide body work being done,
45:21
I got really kind of unsure that decision.
45:23
I was I really wanted to have control over the ride height
45:26
and being able to adjust it all.
45:28
So we ended up going with some Owlans.
45:32
Well, well, well, well, well, well.
45:35
We we joked about my GM and I were.
45:38
No expensive spirit.
45:39
Apparently after we decide to go wide body,
45:42
we just kept saying full send.
45:43
Yeah, send it that that whatever the car needs do.
45:46
Lovely road and track.
45:47
Coilers are the road and track.
45:48
Well, those aren't actually super expensive.
45:53
What is not exactly expensive?
45:56
So I picked those up for 3400 bucks.
46:00
First for a set of Coilers, J.R.Z.
46:03
is going to be 10 to 15.
46:04
That's actually and I guess they're probably not as hard
46:06
to adjust as a full race.
46:08
I could always help you by going unless you got a pit crew
46:11
that's monitoring tire temperatures and pressures and whatnot.
46:16
That's going to be hard to set.
46:17
And I was I was blown away by these.
46:19
I actually I installed them myself.
46:21
I was kind of shorthanded in the shop that week
46:23
and we had a two week deadline to get the car ready for you guys.
46:25
So I actually installed them.
46:26
I was amazed at how easy it was to put them in the instructions.
46:30
They gave me, you know, I measured out everything
46:32
a couple of times, made sure it was right, put them in and out of the box.
46:35
I drove this car last weekend.
46:37
It it handled great.
46:38
Oh, yeah, that's I haven't dialed in yet.
46:40
When Damon got his and we went out for a test drive.
46:43
Oh, man, I was so jealous.
46:45
I was so jealous because it it rides.
46:48
I would say very much like a GT3 where it's very compliant.
46:52
But then when you get on to it and get into, you know,
46:55
make it flex and make it do its thing.
46:56
It's and that's what we're trying to go for because that's a nice balance.
47:00
I really wanted to pay homage to that first GT3
47:03
and it had Coilers on it.
47:05
So I wanted to something that was kind of going to mimic that.
47:07
And I think Olin's were the only way really to go with it.
47:10
What did you do with the sway bars?
47:12
Sway bars, we left them stock.
47:15
You know, this car, I think if if someone was really wanted to go
47:18
track it and run it hard, then yeah, you'd probably upgrade the sway bars.
47:21
But I think for the street, you know, if you're just kind of going through
47:24
back roads, it's funny. It's funny.
47:26
It's what we did with Project 964.
47:28
Having had a 964 when I put big sway bars on.
47:32
It's there's a lot to be said.
47:33
If most of your driving is going to be a street, right?
47:36
So we wanted to make sure the car is still comfortable enough on the streets
47:40
where you can still have fun with it, but not, you know, break your back
47:43
every time you get in the car.
47:44
So what about the heart of the car, the engine and the transmission?
47:47
What condition was it in and what did you have to do with it?
47:49
It was like when I first got got the car, engine runs.
47:53
It ran great. Nice and smooth idle.
47:57
Oh, man, so it had great oil pressure.
48:01
Clutch was gone in it.
48:02
So I didn't really get to drive the car when we first got it.
48:05
But, you know, we took, we dropped the whole engine, transmission out.
48:09
So you did the air box upgrade.
48:10
I did the air box upgrade.
48:11
So it's got a 997 air box.
48:13
We did a custom emblem on that, too.
48:15
So it says three, four instead of the three, six, nine.
48:17
Other than looking better.
48:18
Does it do anything else?
48:20
Well, I don't know.
48:21
People will say it's better air flow, better design.
48:24
I don't know how to really to test that, but that's what the internet says.
48:28
And the internet can't be wrong.
48:30
Right. The forums are never wrong.
48:32
Yeah, but it's more visually appealing air box for sure.
48:35
And that's why I wanted to go with it.
48:36
And did it already have or did you do the IMS upgrade?
48:40
So it had the IMS done at some point in life.
48:43
I don't know when we pulled it out, but I put a fresh Ellen bearing in there.
48:47
When we because when we had the clutch out, like mine as well,
48:50
you know, new rear main seal, all the seals on the engine were replaced.
48:53
Anything that was leaking new air oil separator on it, all the all
48:57
like the vacuum stuff on top, the engine was replaced, had the intake off,
49:01
did all the seals on there, really just tried to freshen it up.
49:05
New plugs, new coils, full tune up on it.
49:08
Man, so whoever gets it's going to get it ready to go.
49:12
That person that has a deposit good on you that you you jumped on it
49:15
because this is a heck of a bond.
49:16
And then it has the the fister mufflers on it, too.
49:20
So it sounds amazing, too.
49:22
Yeah, I got in it, too, a little bit.
49:24
It's got a great soundtrack.
49:27
And for those that don't know, the fister modifications really
49:30
is trying to emulate the very rare, which I'm happy to say that I have.
49:34
It tries to emulate the factory sport exhaust.
49:36
Exactly. The early nine, nine, six, super rare to find.
49:39
But man, they sound so good.
49:40
They sound so good.
49:41
And the fister muffler.
49:42
And they they did a full restore, like they refinished them.
49:45
They're I wish I could show them off, you know, with the bumper off the car.
49:48
Yeah, because they're beautiful mufflers.
49:51
The finish they did on them was just great.
49:52
The restoration they did on them for me.
49:55
Any any other part of the car that we're
49:57
forgetting about that was touched, massaged?
50:00
I think those are the kind of the main things, you know, with the
50:03
the lightweight flywheel we did.
50:04
I don't know if I mentioned that.
50:05
Oh, no, yeah, the GT3 had a lightweight single mass in it.
50:10
So we kind of wanted to do that as much as I could do
50:13
without putting a Metzger motor in it, you know, breaking the bank.
50:15
You know, we tried to emulate that as much as we could.
50:18
So it's like a lightweight fly one as well.
50:20
How does that how does that feel engagement wise?
50:23
I love it. It's it's a very quick engagement.
50:27
You do get a little chatter, you know, when you're a stoplight.
50:30
But you know, if you're a car guy, you know what it is, you don't really care.
50:33
Right. But I love the way when I when I drove it or the weekend,
50:36
I was I was blown away how well it was out of the box without me
50:40
really having to do any fine tuning at which we're going to do in the next
50:42
couple of weeks. And where does it go next?
50:46
So September 5th, it's going to get on a transport to go to New York
50:51
and Porsche is doing the area east judging at the Classic Car Club of Manhattan.
50:57
Oh, OK. So we'll be up there for the they judge it on the sixth.
51:01
They'll have the VIP event where they announce the class winners.
51:06
And then Sunday, it'll be open to the public
51:09
where you can come vote for people's choice. OK. Or my car, you know.
51:13
Nice. Exactly. One in the same.
51:15
Yeah. If you prove yourself and do well there,
51:20
the finals is should be out in California.
51:25
I haven't looked at the details on that yet.
51:26
I don't know if they've announced the time location on the nationals.
51:30
I don't think they had when I was looking. Oh, yeah.
51:33
Maybe. OK. But did we already go over what the winner gets?
51:37
Oh, yes. So it's pretty interesting one.
51:39
Yeah. So they changed the rules a bit this year
51:42
because last year it's tough going and you walk home empty handed.
51:46
Yeah. But this year they kind of sweeten the pot.
51:49
So if you make it to the judging, so if we make it to New York,
51:52
you get awarded another sports car allocation for your dealerships.
51:56
Oh, nice. So that would essentially mean probably a Boxster or a Cayman, I'm assuming.
52:01
If you win your class, if you win your restoration or preservation class,
52:05
you get a 992 turbo allocation.
52:10
If you win people's choice, you get another 992 turbo allocation.
52:15
And then you get to go to nationals where you get a whole
52:17
another round of if you win your class, another 992 turbo allocation,
52:21
people's choice, another allocation and grand national winner, another allocation.
52:28
So you have the potential.
52:29
Say if you want everything, you could win five cars for the dealerships.
52:33
That's huge. And that would especially those cars, especially those cars.
52:37
You got to look at it from a sales standpoint where the profit they make
52:41
on this because we they're just allocating.
52:43
We're not getting the car for free.
52:44
Right. You know, we're buying the car from Porsche.
52:46
But it's the unexpected that you weren't expecting.
52:48
Yeah. Because you have the waiting list.
52:50
You know, guys are in line for a 9-11.
52:52
Oh, yeah. Now I have an extra car or an extra two cars
52:56
to give to our customers. That's that's huge.
52:58
And you're getting a turbo.
52:59
You're getting all the nice sweet options, right?
53:01
PTS, if that's available, you know, we'll be building it up.
53:04
Exclusive stuff on there. Yeah, that's a big deal.
53:08
And then, you know, hopefully in dollars and cents,
53:11
why is it kind of offsets how much you've spent?
53:13
I think so. Yeah. I mean, we're still going to sell the car.
53:16
You know, so we will make money from that.
53:18
We'll make money from that.
53:19
I bill it out at cost, you know, for the dealerships.
53:22
I'm not, you know, doing a full book, but we'll build the car.
53:24
You know, what we have into the car, buying it, what we have in the body,
53:27
working paint and then mechanical upgrades.
53:30
And they'll sell it for a small profit.
53:32
But that so that have its own little, you know, incentive there.
53:35
But hopefully we walk away with an allocation or two for the dealership.
53:39
How many hours do you think you've talked about billing?
53:43
I've kept track, roughly.
53:44
I'm probably without the body shop, just on my side of it.
53:49
I'm probably into it for like 40, 50 hours.
53:51
Oh, that's not bad at all.
53:54
Well, some of it was I did myself.
53:56
I didn't bill myself.
54:00
Anything that you would have done differently now that the car is done?
54:05
Um, it's a tough one.
54:07
These were all kind of boxes.
54:10
I was able to check on things I've always wanted to do to a nine, nine, six.
54:16
Would I if I could have had more time and more money, like I said,
54:20
I probably would have rotisserie the whole car and just redone the whole thing.
54:23
But I'm very happy the way the paint turned out.
54:26
I'm very happy the way the body work turned out.
54:29
The interior, the whole car kind of came together.
54:32
I was very pleased with it.
54:33
Yeah, I think it goes so wider audience of this.
54:36
Whoever put the deposit doesn't buy it.
54:38
It's still an easier car to sell before you modify it so much.
54:42
So you visualize that.
54:44
And that's that's kind of my own personal taste with cars.
54:47
I love some cars I've, you know, my nine, nine, seven.
54:50
I haven't changed the thing on except the radio.
54:51
I put the PCCM plus in it.
54:54
That car is 100 percent stock.
54:55
My M five, I've done some suspension work because the car sat too high
54:59
when it was from brand new.
55:01
But I love to do mods where you can't really tell if that was factory or not.
55:05
And that's that's that's what I like to do is like you have to really look at
55:08
the car and go, was this the hell came?
55:10
Or is this something that was done after the fact?
55:12
Yeah, that's the best one.
55:12
They're like Easter eggs.
55:13
Like you have to look for them and you know, oh, that's a nice little touch.
55:16
Yeah, that's all in the details.
55:18
I try to do a lot of little small detail work.
55:20
We're like, oh, that's a nice touch.
55:22
You know, that didn't that shouldn't be there, but it all goes together.
55:26
Well, congratulations to the person that has the deposit
55:29
because you are already the winner.
55:30
I'm just going to say that right now.
55:32
But best of luck in the competition.
55:34
I hope you make it to finals where we'll get to see the car again.
55:38
And yeah, yeah, well done.
55:41
And I wish there was a way to get that car to unstock too,
55:44
because I think that would do really well letting the West Coast.
55:48
You can troll the other ways.
55:53
All right, folks, I want to remind you to head over to PCA.org
55:57
and sign up for PCA's newsletters, performance news, e-brake news
56:01
and Martin Fresh news.
56:02
And let's get into the news.
56:04
The first item we have is Pinsky Motorsports at Road America.
56:09
So they did not win.
56:11
They finished fifth.
56:12
And did you know that Pinsky has never a Pinsky card
56:15
never finished below fifth in imps of this year?
56:19
And I mean, their second car finished, I think, 11th,
56:23
because they got to stop and go penalty.
56:26
But even though they finished fifth,
56:28
they still moved up in the standings.
56:30
So they're still leading the championship with the three races,
56:34
Well, let's hope they get another imps of championship.
56:40
And this has been the next news item has been all over social media
56:44
because people have been clamoring with the idea
56:47
that the gas-powered McCons were going away
56:52
and we are faced with just EV, so to speak, in that class.
57:00
Is it true that there perhaps might be a gasoline power?
57:03
This is based on an investor call
57:05
and Oliver Blumma indicated that they would be coming out
57:09
with a not a McCon again.
57:13
I think they want to keep the McCon line with the EV.
57:16
But another SUV, small SUV gas,
57:21
which leads to a lot of speculation,
57:23
it's got to come from the VW Audi family.
57:26
And we went to all the presentations
57:30
when the McCon first came out
57:31
and how much work they had to do.
57:33
And actually everyone said it was just a Q5
57:35
with new bodywork, but it was actually a lot of work
57:38
they had to make to make it like a Porsche.
57:41
So I would imagine they are working triple overtime
57:45
in the Y-Sock right now to get this car
57:48
up the market pretty quickly.
57:50
And I know people are probably saying,
57:51
why don't they just keep on making the McCon
57:53
since they're making it, but I believe that's the reason
57:56
the reason why they stopped making that
57:58
and it came in was the European laws.
58:00
It's not a simply just saying, let's keep the machine,
58:02
let's keep the assembly line running.
58:05
It doesn't meet the new standards.
58:07
So I guess the question begs is
58:09
if the McCon was, people are saying Q5
58:14
and you need a smaller subcompact SUV,
58:17
then that's the Q3.
58:19
Well, I think the Q5, they just came out with a new version.
58:22
They're still making that car.
58:24
So, I thought about the Q3 and I'm like,
58:29
whoa, that's really small.
58:30
Yeah, it's small, yeah.
58:31
But there may be, because the Q5 or so,
58:33
that to me would be, if they have an updated version.
58:36
I see what you're saying.
58:37
That platform, the question will be.
58:39
The new Q5, they call it.
58:41
But don't call it the McCon.
58:42
Yeah, I mean, the McCon seems like the easiest
58:44
so they already have an established market.
58:47
But what to take away from the EV and...
58:49
How interesting the market, EV, gas and,
58:54
man, can you imagine being the manufacturer
58:56
trying to dial all this in?
58:57
That's true, for sure.
58:58
Trying to forecast quantities and production and,
59:02
man, someone's earning their bed.
59:04
It will be interesting to see if Oliver Bulma
59:06
is still the CEO of Porsche at the end of this year.
59:09
Right, within a year rather.
59:11
Because I think it's still BBW,
59:13
but will he still hold both positions?
59:16
That's a lot of pressure.
59:17
And he's, I mean, who would've thought two years ago
59:20
that we'd be talking about tariffs?
59:23
You know, it was something I don't think
59:25
that they thought was gonna really happen,
59:26
but it's really happening.
59:30
All right, upcoming PCA events.
59:33
PCA's open house is September 13th.
59:35
Registration is open.
59:38
Treffen at Sea, our senior anniversary cruise
59:40
heading out of New York, August 30th to September 6th.
59:44
A little plug in for our locals that are listening here
59:47
in the Maryland DMV area.
59:50
TPC Racing is going to be hosting Alan Springer.
59:54
Alan Springer's coming on the cruise with us,
59:55
but he's gonna stop by here at the PCA National Office
59:58
before he hops on the cruise.
00:00
And TPC has invited him and the Chesapeake region
00:05
and the Potomac region.
00:06
There should be some details out for you
00:08
to be able to end there.
00:09
It's gonna be a Friday evening.
00:11
Should be a nice time.
00:12
We're doing some charity parking, so on and so forth.
00:15
I'm smally because if you've never heard Alan speak,
00:18
he's the most straight shooter person.
00:22
Holds nothing back.
00:24
He has some great stories about how things used to be,
00:27
but like I told Bill, I said that this morning,
00:29
I said, well, he's gonna be able to tell us
00:31
behind the scenes of the 963 program
00:33
goes up until like last, last year.
00:35
I think he was going to every race as a consultant.
00:37
So it's not like he ended in 1980s racing.
00:40
He's been involved ever all through the 963.
00:43
He's in the paddock.
00:44
He's in the paddock.
00:45
They rely on his expertise a lot.
00:46
So I think if you come to the event,
00:49
it's gonna be, is it limited to how many?
00:51
I think they're limiting to 100 folks.
00:53
Oh yeah, fill up fast.
00:54
So it'll fill up fast.
00:55
And if you have any questions,
00:57
just drop us an email, we'll get to the details.
01:00
Unstak, we talked about that earlier.
01:02
Perfect place for your car.
01:04
But if you can't make it,
01:06
but those of you in the West Coast can,
01:08
it's gonna be November 16th at Porsche of Santa Clarita.
01:11
Beautiful facility.
01:13
And we should have a great time.
01:14
We've got lots of vendors are gonna be there.
01:16
We've got all the modified Porsches
01:18
from the West Coast is gonna be there.
01:20
And yeah, looking forward to that.
01:23
Latest video drop, the Elva Porsche.
01:28
Yeah, so you might recognize the name, Joe Busetta.
01:33
He raced in the, he was a Porsche factory driver,
01:35
I believe it was 64 to 69.
01:38
He won the 1,000 kilometers of the Nurburgring
01:42
in a Porsche 910, which is one of their last
01:46
street legal prototype race cars.
01:49
And he raced everything, you know,
01:53
on the lower end up to the 910
01:56
and also for other manufacturers.
01:59
One of the cars he raced was something called
02:01
an Elva Porsche, which Elva was a company
02:05
in England, they made the chassis
02:08
and then you could put whatever motor you wanted into it.
02:14
And I think a couple of them,
02:16
this one in particular had a Carrera 4 cam engine in it,
02:20
flat four 4 cam engine.
02:23
And at some point, Joe Busetta, Junior,
02:28
the original son ended up buying it and he owns it now.
02:31
So we went out and filmed a video
02:33
and I think it was August 2023, before Renz 47.
02:39
And we just released that video.
02:43
And Joe Busetta, Junior just goes through,
02:46
talks about the car.
02:47
We were at the Ingram Experience, was that it?
02:49
Yeah, it's a driving experience.
02:50
You're in the Ingram Magazine.
02:51
Yep, so just a little bit of history about the car.
02:55
We don't dive too deep into it,
02:57
but it's an interesting car, fascinating.
03:00
It has a flat six now.
03:02
So it's not completely original, but you know, Elvis,
03:06
they had all sorts of different engines.
03:08
Then we have one lap of VIR.
03:11
It's not the greatest lap, that was a shakedown run.
03:15
The camera angle's phenomenal.
03:16
Yeah, the camera angle's great,
03:18
but they were still working on the shifter
03:20
and he couldn't select fourth or fifth
03:22
all that easily in the lap.
03:24
So don't expect, you know, a flying lap,
03:26
but if you wanna go see an Elvaporsha
03:29
from the 60s driving around VIR.
03:32
All I could think of was how crazy it was
03:36
The angle he's at, you see his shoulders,
03:38
you see it's a great angle that Damon set up
03:40
and I just thought, oh my God,
03:43
there's like no protection, it seems.
03:45
And it's all fiberglass, so it's a,
03:48
but back then, you know, I explained to people,
03:51
if it wasn't like 550s, we're sitting on dealers lots
03:54
waiting for someone to buy them.
03:56
You know, it was like a GT3 RS.
03:57
You had to know somebody or what not to get one.
04:00
So to fill that hole of people who couldn't get one,
04:04
these other manufacturers like Elva would give you the chassis
04:10
and then you supplied the engine
04:11
and a lot of these guys were putting the engine
04:13
and found out they were lighter than the spiders
04:16
and under the right hands, they became faster.
04:18
I think this Elvaporsha, what did they say?
04:21
It's like a thousand pounds.
04:25
And like tubular space frame with really thin tubing
04:28
and then, you know, a spear that they put a steering wheel
04:33
I feel like that car is more dangerous than a motorcycle.
04:36
It was like winning the first safety circuit.
04:39
There's things in that car that could take you out.
04:40
A motorcycle, at least you just kind of pop off of it,
04:43
So it's a great different era.
04:46
Angle of the camera and to learn a little bit
04:48
about a car that they used to race back in the day.
04:51
Well, speaking of racing, if you want to try your hand,
04:54
in the evenings, on the weekends,
04:56
fellow PCAers, we have PCASimracing.com.
05:00
And check out the site.
05:01
We've got different races that are coming up.
05:04
We've got a series event.
05:06
And also that we have, they have EDEs,
05:09
which is basically showing the newbies,
05:12
kind of how to get started.
05:14
So there's someone on the SIM Racing Committee
05:17
that can walk you through from step one all the way
05:20
to full-time racing, sort of like in the Cold Race series.
05:23
Frank, is your left foot breaking?
05:26
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05:29
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And again, I really do appreciate
05:49
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05:51
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05:54
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05:57
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05:59
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06:11
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06:12
oh, you really work for PCA?
06:14
But they see me doing something on the show.
06:18
You answer the phones.
06:18
Podcast is a fun thing we do.
06:22
Yeah, and it's a lot of work.
06:23
And Kudos to Damon, who's constantly fighting the AV gear
06:28
to make all of this work and doing it in a timely manner.
06:30
And we are at episode 180.
06:34
Can you believe it, 180?
06:36
I was telling Brian that, I said,
06:37
I've had to find 180 topics to talk about that
06:40
or just portion related.
06:41
And Mandy's been on every single show.
06:45
I don't know what comes up with the idea
06:46
that's what we're gonna talk about.
06:48
Yeah, you come up with the idea.
06:49
You better execute it.
06:50
Anyways, everyone, until next time,
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