Blackstone is mentioned as a company connected to automotive expertise. The host is thanking their representative for sharing knowledge relevant to Porsche owners.
FCP Euro is a company involved in the Porsche world, and the host is bringing in one of their experts. They’re likely contributing advice about parts and maintenance.
Brand
Porsche Nashua
Porsche Nashua is a Porsche dealership location. The host is thanking someone from there, suggesting the episode includes practical dealer experience.
Concept
base vs higher trim level
They’re talking about the difference between buying the “base” version of a car versus a more expensive higher trim. The argument is whether the stronger, fancier version is always better, or whether the cheaper one is actually more enjoyable to drive.
The Porsche Cayman is a sports car with the engine placed toward the middle and a closed (fixed-roof) body. Porsche sells it in multiple versions, so a base model can differ from higher trims in power and included equipment. That’s why it’s often brought up when comparing trim levels.
“Modding out” means customizing the car with aftermarket upgrades. The host is comparing that approach to just buying a higher-priced version from the factory.
Topic
$10,000 Porsche dilemma
The episode is basically asking: should you pay extra for a nicer Porsche version, or should you buy the cheaper one and upgrade it yourself?
This is a Porsche Boxster, a mid-engine convertible. The 2014 model is from the 981 generation, and the host uses it as the baseline car for a budget comparison.
A sport exhaust is an exhaust setup meant to sound more aggressive and sometimes breathe better. Here it’s just one of the upgrades included in the host’s example car.
De-badging means taking off the little name/trim stickers on the outside of the car. In this context, the host says some people do it when they start with a lower trim.
The Boxster is Porsche’s open-top sports car with the engine placed closer to the middle. Porsche makes different versions of it, such as S or GTS, and those versions can have different performance and equipment. People talk about the trim so they know exactly which Boxster they’re seeing.
Car
Porsche 981
“981” is Porsche’s internal generation code for the Boxster/Cayman from that era. The point here is that adding upgrades to a base car can cost more than people expect.
Coilovers are suspension parts that let you adjust how high or low the car sits. They can also change how the car rides and handles over bumps.
Term
numeric shifter
A “numeric shifter” here appears to refer to a specific aftermarket shifter style/brand used to improve the feel of the gearbox. The host pairs it with a “function first shifter,” suggesting they’re discussing shifter upgrades for a more engaging driving experience.
This is an aftermarket exhaust option from the “Soul” brand. People usually buy exhausts to change the sound (and sometimes the performance) of the car.
Apex makes aftermarket wheels. Upgrading wheels can change how the car looks and can also affect ride/handling depending on the exact wheel and tire setup.
“Stock form” means the car is still in its original, factory condition. When you sell, a stock car often has an easier time because more buyers know exactly what they’re getting.
“Modding” a car means customizing it instead of leaving it exactly like it came from the factory. The big catch is that you usually won’t get all your money back when you sell, especially if the changes aren’t what most buyers want.
The “resale market” is what people pay when you sell your car used. If your modifications match what other buyers like, they may help; if not, they can lower what you get.
A suspension mod changes the car’s suspension setup, which can affect both ride feel and how low or high the car sits. Here, they’re talking about mods that change the car’s stance and appearance.
Lowering the car means making it sit closer to the ground. It often looks sportier, but it can make the car easier to scrape on speed bumps or rough roads.
A “loud exhaust” is when the car’s exhaust is modified to sound louder than stock. Some people love it, but other buyers may not, which can affect resale.
“Short shifting” means you shift to the next gear sooner than you normally would. It changes how the car feels—sometimes smoother or calmer—but it’s not everyone’s idea of an upgrade.
This means the parts of the car you feel and use most while driving. The recommendation is to spend upgrade money where it actually changes your day-to-day experience.
The steering wheel is the primary interface between driver and car, and its grip material, weight, and shape strongly influence how “connected” the car feels. The host specifically discusses upgrading steering wheel materials and heft to improve hand feel and cabin aesthetics.
A valve exhaust uses movable flaps inside the exhaust. They help the car switch between a quieter sound and a louder sound, which is why adding it later can be complicated.
The aftermarket refers to parts and accessories made by companies other than the original automaker. Here, the host is pointing out that valve exhaust options and fixed exhaust options are available outside Porsche.
Fister Exhaust is a company that makes aftermarket exhaust systems. The host likes it because it sounds great and gets even better after you’ve used it for a while.
Horsepower is a measure of how much power the engine can produce. Higher horsepower usually helps the car keep accelerating faster, especially at higher speeds.
Braking is how you slow the car down. If you can brake well and keep more speed going into the corner, you often don’t need as much power to get moving again when you exit.
Elephant Racing is a company that sells aftermarket parts for Porsche cars. Here, they’re mentioned because they make upgraded bushings for better handling.
Bushings are rubbery (or plastic) parts that help the suspension move smoothly. Polyurethane bushings usually make the car feel more “connected” and less sloppy, but they can make the ride firmer.
These are very stiff bushing upgrades made from polyurethane. They make the suspension respond more sharply, but the ride can feel rougher because they don’t absorb as much vibration.
“Hockey puck” bushings are extremely hard suspension inserts. They make the car feel more race-like and less flexible, but the ride can get louder and harsher.
They’re basically saying don’t add a bunch of modifications just because they sound cool. Some changes can make the car ride worse, louder, or more uncomfortable.
The speaker recommends doing modifications one at a time so you can isolate cause and effect. That way, you can tell what each change adds or removes from the driving experience instead of guessing when multiple parts are installed together.
It’s basically the point where the car starts to feel “old” to you. Once you’ve gotten used to how it drives, you may want something new—either a different car or changes to this one.
A “boxer” engine is one where the cylinders move side-to-side in opposite directions. It’s a distinctive engine design—especially associated with Porsche.
Part
function first shifting system
This refers to upgrading how the car shifts gears. The goal is usually a more satisfying, more precise feel when you move the shifter.
A wrap is a vinyl covering put on the outside of the car. It can change the color or protect the paint, and it’s usually easier to remove later than repainting.
Term
trading your car in at reduced value
They’re talking about how much less money you might get for your current car when you trade it in. The trade-in price can be lower than you expect, so it can make upgrading more expensive.
Dealer fees are extra charges the dealership adds when you buy a car. They can make the final price higher than the sticker price you first see.
Term
shifting mod
A “shifting mod” refers to modifications that improve or change how the transmission shifts. On many cars this can mean software changes, shift kit-style hardware, or tuning that makes shifts quicker and/or firmer.
Michelin PS4s are a high-performance tire model. Putting them on can make the car grip better and feel more responsive.
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Hey, everyone. I'm Derek. This is 11 After 9, the podcast.
And this week, I think we're going to slow it down a little bit.
We've had some fantastic guests on these last couple of weeks, and my deepest thanks to Joe Adams from Blackstone,
Joe Finkel from FCP Euro, Angelos Gadiri from Porsche Nashua, all of them experts in their field,
and really dropping some serious knowledge on the 11 After 9 podcast.
And this week, I thought maybe what I would do is kind of address a question I've got. It's kind of interesting.
I talk a lot in the channel and in previous podcasts about the idea of the base versus the S,
or the base 9-11, the base Boxster, the base Cayman versus a higher trim level,
and how sometimes the joy of being able to really tear into your car and use all of the revs on a back road
is personally more enjoyable for me, sometimes in having a really powerful car
that I can only touch a fraction of, maybe drive it at 20%.
This goes for motorcycles, too. I've talked in the past about having some really fast BMW motorcycles,
but then again, on my old classic beamers from the 70s that have no horsepower,
and you can really just sink your teeth into them and really enjoy the ride that much more.
This has kind of opened up an interesting pushback from the audience,
where some people are like, yeah, base is the way. It makes complete sense.
If you know you know, having owned higher horsepower cars, we really love the base.
And then there's a lot of people saying, you're crazy. You got to go for the S. You got to go for the GTS.
You have to go for the turbo. If you're not driving that with the most horsepower, the most Porsche,
then you're not getting the full experience.
And I think there's probably some truth in both sides of that discussion.
I mean, hand on heart. Honestly, I was always that guy.
You put a cool name on any product, you know, name of product and then XL or the S or the pro or the carbon
or the black or whatever it is. That's the one I want.
I mean, I get sucked into that marketing stuff all the time because I grew up with the thought process
that if you're going to spend the money, you might as well get the best you possibly can.
And the best was always whatever you're buying plus something.
And so it's really kind of a huge departure for me.
And it's been a really interesting journey for me to kind of take a step back
and realize that in the Porsche world, sometimes the base car is really just kind of the essence
of what I'm looking for in a driving experience.
So I thought it would be interesting to name this episode moving up or modding out.
So what do we mean by that? Well, what I mean is let's just use a base Boxster example.
Let's use my example. I have a 2014 base Boxster.
It's a 981. It is a fantastic car.
I really, really, really love it.
And I think probably in the market right now with around 50,000 miles on it, it's somewhere in that high 30s, low 40s.
Let's call it 38, 40, 42, somewhere in there with sport exhaust and it's a stack.
Let's call it 40. Let's use round numbers.
And then you can get an S version of that for let's say $50,000.
So $10,000 more, give or take.
Then you can get Porsche's premium version, the GTS, which is one small step below the GT cars.
A really fantastic performance car, just a little bit more horsepower, a little sharper suspension, things of that nature.
And that's like $65,000. So that's a huge jump up from the base that I have price wise.
So the question I have is, is it better to take $10,000 difference between the base and the S and put it into mods on a base?
Or should you just take that $10,000 and get the S?
So what's the temptation? Anytime you get a car, you're immediately going online and you're looking through all the forums and all the web pages.
And you're like, all right, what can I do to my car to personalize it, make it more of mine?
So I guess my first piece of advice is something I learned a long time ago.
And that if you are unbelievably fixated on the label of your car, whether you have to have an S, you have to have a GTS, just go with it.
Honestly, what I inevitably find is people that do, you know, quote unquote, settle for a lower trim level is they almost always de-badge their cars.
I don't know why that is. They just don't want people to know that they, you know, quote unquote, settled.
So someone will come up to you and they'll say, so was this a Boxter S or is this a Boxter GTS?
I love what you did here. Look at those sweet 21 inch rims.
Look what you did with the carbon fiber bits and all this.
And then as an owner of the car, person has to go, well, no, it's not a GTS, it's a base, but I did this and this and this.
And they're always trying to defend the car and their additions to the car to try to make it more than what they think it is.
Don't do that to yourself.
Take the extra time and save up the money and get the trim level that's going to make you personally happy.
With all that being said, someone might say to me, well, Derek, 10,000 bucks into a 981, that's kind of crazy, especially in a base.
What are you really going to get for that?
Well, I have a little shopping list.
So here's the temptation.
Here's the build list of how you can drop 10 G's real quick on a base 981.
Coilovers, 3,000 bucks.
Picking yourself up a numeric shifter or a function first shifter, especially with cables.
You're looking at $700, $800, maybe even a little bit more.
A soul exhaust, 3K.
And maybe you want to get some sweet apex wheels.
And that's 2,500 bucks minimum.
Oh, you got to throw some tires on that.
We're over $10,000.
So why are you doing that really?
Is it because you want that next level car and you're trying to make it that or are you just customizing and making your own?
Also, just understand that anytime you put money into a car and it takes it away from the stock form, you're never going to get that money back.
You'll get a percentage of that money back, I should say, maybe 20%, 30% tops.
You're never going to be able to take the 10K on top of a base model and get back all of that money.
So this is good or bad, right? Because what's really interesting is in the Porsche world, I would say probably more than any other automaker.
People are encouraged to mod their cars.
It's really interesting, actually.
The Porsche market encourages it.
People can customize color, options, the looks, the performance of their cars, and it's celebrated by the community,
which is really fantastic because we all know that there's other brands that are very, very against that.
Ferrari is a perfect example.
God forbid you were going to change the perfect makeup as it was envisioned by the descendants of Ferrari.
It's just not done.
So it is really cool that you can mod your car and it's not held against you until it comes time to sell the car,
in which case, almost always, stock will get you more money in the resale market.
Now, there are mods you can do to a car that do add value, and I don't mean that monetarily,
but I mean value in the eyes of some people, and it might be a certain type of suspension mod
or lowering the car to rest of world height, where it takes the stilt-like look with lots of clearance under the fenders to the tires.
It makes the car look a little bit more mean, and that's all perfectly fine.
But once you start putting loud exhaust and maybe even changing to short shifting,
that's more of a preference thing, and those are things you really have to consider.
So on the plus side of buying a car at a higher trim level, right off the bat,
is that whatever upgrades Porsche has baked into that car,
those are proven upgrades that Porsche has tested through any number of circumstances, any real-world climates,
and it's been pressure tested by hundreds of thousands or millions of people,
and you can feel really good that it's integrated really well in the car.
And unlike something that you might be getting from another supplier,
that while it might integrate with your car, it's not quite so cohesive.
As something that comes from the factory.
So that is something that's fantastic.
But you know, you got to imagine that if you do get an S or a GTS,
the same bug will be in your shorts to think,
oh, how can I make this even better?
Because my S isn't a GTS or my GTS isn't a GT.
Just getting a base isn't going to always cure you of this.
So to bring it all back for a final point,
you know, I think that if you want the best, you should buy the best.
And no matter how much upgrading you do,
if you want that S badge or that GTS badge on the door or on the rear trunk lid,
that's the way you should go.
But if you are going to mod your car, I think that that's okay too.
But I think you need to do it with an I2 strategy.
I like to think about maybe like an enjoyment per dollar.
You know, we talk about smiles per mile depending on what car you buy,
which is kind of a silly phrase, but it's true.
But the enjoyment per dollar,
it's kind of an idea that I try to live with when I do things to my car.
And essentially what that rule is, is that if you're going to spend the money,
spend it on the touch points of the car.
So for example, the shifter, you touch a shifter 500, 800 times per drive.
Your hand is always on it.
It gives you that direct connection to the car in the road.
And so it's an extremely important thing when it comes to the overall enjoyment of driving.
And if you want to move to a short shift system,
or you want to upgrade the shifting action
because maybe it's gotten a little bit sloppy.
Or heck, if you just want to change the shifter itself
because you want a shifter knob that feels better in the palm of your hand.
Those are all really great things that you should do
because it's going to bring you immediate pleasure in terms of driving your car.
Steering wheel, same thing.
I just upgraded the steering wheel in my 981 coming into winter last year.
And I know everyone, I will have a video coming out on that.
But I was looking down at this steering wheel
and it was just this sea of black, cheap plastic from my base Boxster.
And I didn't love it.
And so I upgraded it to a newer version of a Porsche steering wheel that looks pretty sick.
And I really, really like it.
And it brings me happiness when I'm driving it.
And it doesn't look out of place in the cabin either, which is important to me.
It's nice and heavy. The leather is fantastic.
My hands make contact with that the entire time.
And I think it's a very worthy upgrade.
And I tend to put that on the top of the list, the exhaust.
So my base Boxster came with Porsche Sport Exhaust PSA.
And I'm very lucky for that.
You can't have that retrofitted.
It is a very expensive option.
I've heard it going for as much as $6,500 at the dealer.
Because not only do you have to buy the system and have them put it in,
they have to run the wires because it's a valve system, quiet, loud.
And then they have to install the button on the dash.
And then they have to program the car.
And so it's not an inexpensive proposition.
But the good news is in the aftermarket, there are valve exhaust options.
And then there's also fixed exhaust options.
Both of which are fantastic.
There's great companies out there with reviews aplenty.
I love Fister Exhaust because I find for the money they punch way above their weight class.
They sound fantastic. They're affordable.
They actually sound better the more you use them.
They kind of bed in.
But it's not an adjustable sound either.
I'm putting a Fister set on my 997.
So there you go.
I'm putting my money where my mouth is.
But the sound, the sound is everything.
And for me, that's really important because it's amazing to me that
even if you do have a lower horsepower car,
I mean, none of them are slow.
But it's amazing that ramping up the soundtrack of your motor
makes you feel like you're going faster.
I'm sure you all agree with me.
I mean, it is a psychological thing.
Maybe an exhaust might give you a couple HP more, but not really.
But when it's loud in your ears and it adds a little bit more vibration into the cabin,
you feel more race car.
And that adds to the overall enjoyment and the experience of the car, which is great.
So when I like to mod, I like to mod not necessarily for the stopwatch
because I don't go to the track.
I like to mod for the fizz.
I want to increase my happiness in the car when I'm driving it at 45 miles an hour,
65 miles an hour on twisties up here in New England.
If you're on the racetrack, you might want to look at it a different way.
Though I would admit if you do want to mod for the racetrack,
don't go for power right away.
Go for braking.
Porsche has an excellent braking system in almost all of their cars,
but the European way of modding your car versus the American way of modding your car
are really at odds with each other in terms of how they think about it.
In America, I need to get some more power in this car.
I want to go faster on the straights and dive into the corners
and pull out of those corners really fast.
I need torque. I need horsepower.
In Europe, they look at braking because if you can carry speed deeper into a corner,
well, then you don't need as much horsepower to pull out of it
because you're at a higher overall speed in general.
And while I'm not a racer, I do have a lot of friends at race
and they all tell me that the wins and the checkered flags,
most of the time those come from cars that can brake better rather than accelerate better.
I will say this when it comes to modding your own car.
Be very careful you don't go overboard.
What do I mean by that?
Well, I mean, certainly overboard could be,
hey, I went down to auto zone and I got every carbon fiber piece I could
and stuck them all over the hood.
I got vents for days.
If you look at my car, you're going to cut yourself.
That's not what I mean.
But I remember back when I was modding my 993, you know, doing the run list checklist.
I was putting on my, I think there were PSS-9 suspension at the time,
getting my MYO2 rims, my Fister exhaust and one or two other things.
I was trying to upgrade the bushings and I had ordered maybe elephant racing bushings
like full polyurethane hardcore bushings where normally in a car you have softer rubber bushings
and they do that because those soak up a lot of vibrations
and they just make it a more comfortable overall approachable ride on daily driving roads.
Well, I mean, I need to go race car, right?
And so I get these like super hard, hard, hard plastic hockey puck bushings
that are going to go into the suspension.
And I remember bringing it to my mechanic and he looked at this bag of parts
and he just threw it back at me and he goes, I'm not going to install these in your car.
And I was like, what do you mean?
He's like, your car will drive like crap.
It'll rattle itself to death.
You're going to be miserable.
You're going to lose the fillings in your mouth because it's going to be vibrating like crazy.
He said, it's not worth it.
If you're going to do anything refresh with rubber bushings, you have the sound,
you have the taut suspension so you can go around corners.
That's what you want in the road.
And so when I talk about the danger of overdoing it, it's really that.
Sitting behind a computer with tabs open and a credit card in your hand,
it's very easy to go down that road of, well, then this and I can do this.
And then you get on this adventure in your mind of what it's going to be.
The reality sometimes is not matching up with what the internet tells you it's going to be like.
That's why I always have the advice of when you do get a car,
drive it for a month or two, drive it 500 miles, drive it 1500 miles,
get to know the car.
And if you do do mods, do them one at a time.
Don't do three or four mods at once.
I've been there to do them one at a time.
And if you do that, you're going to immediately notice what that mod adds to the driving experience
or takes away from it.
I guess drive that for a little bit, move on to the next mod and you get enough of those together.
And then you have a real progression of what you're doing with the car
and where you started from and where you're going to.
So this, so that kind of leads me into what I'll call like the boredom threshold.
If you have one car and maybe you call it your forever car,
maybe it's a car that you really, really love and you really saved and scratched for it.
And it's your baby and you've driven it for quite some time.
And then there's a chance you might be getting a little bored with it.
Every owner kind of hits this threshold.
You know how the car accelerates.
You know how it breaks.
You know how it handles around corners.
And so when you go off with your friends, yes, it's approachable and you can drive the car
maybe a little bit more towards its limit because you know what it's going to do.
But at the same time, that limit is fixed.
When we talk about upgrading, say a base boxer,
maybe your base boxer comes with a stock exhaust and then you go and put a fister exhaust on it.
Like that makes it a new car for you and you're going to revel in the sound
and that's going to make your experience start all over again and you get many more months of fun.
And it kind of resets the clock until that becomes normalized.
And then maybe move on to your next mod.
Maybe you reach out for a function first shifting system.
Maybe you change that steering wheel.
Maybe you move to slightly larger wheels.
Heck, maybe you put a wrap on your car.
Who knows?
Maybe guards red has been great for you for eight years, but you really want a deep blue.
Go for it.
Maybe saving up and spending $5,000, $7,000, $10,000 over the course of a year or two
to fall back in love with the car is a fantastic way to go.
It's significantly cheaper than potentially losing $15,000 or $20,000
in trading your car in at reduced value, dealer fees, taxes to get another car
that might be a little bit faster, a little bit newer, have a little bit better tech.
So consider that calculus.
If you're looking to buy, say a base versus an at base and you're like, should I trade that in?
A new set of Michelin PS4s tires and exhaust and maybe a shifting mod will change that car
and make it really interesting for you moving forward.
So I know I was meandering there for a little bit, but I just kind of wanted to throw my thoughts out there.
I actually really do like the idea of modding your car to a certain extent.
And I think as I talked about, you can really make it feel new over a long amount of time.
When I was looking for my base Boxster, I just didn't have the scratch to look for a GTS.
When I was looking for a 981 Boxster and I came across a manual with poor sport exhaust,
I was thrilled and I was willing to give the base a try because I had never driven a 981 base before.
And as you know from all my videos, I'm very pleasantly surprised.
So who knows, maybe going for a base versus a GTS might lead you down new paths
and new experiences that maybe you otherwise wouldn't have.
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About this episode
The discussion weighs a familiar Porsche question: spend the extra money on a higher trim, or buy the base car and shape it with mods. Using a 981 Boxster as the example, the host breaks down how quickly aftermarket parts can exceed a $10,000 gap, while also arguing that the right upgrades can make a car feel fresh again. He leans toward thoughtful, incremental changes, especially on touchpoints like the shifter and steering wheel, and shares why he personally chose a base Boxster.
This week on ElevenAfterNine, we’re slowing things down to tackle one of the most debated topics in the Porsche community: "Do I upgrade my car or upgrade the Model?"
Today, we do the math on the $10,000 Dilemma: Should you save that extra cash to jump a trim level, or should you spend it on the "Touchpoints" and "Soundtracks" that actually create the "Fizz"?
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