The European Le Mans Series is a set of long-distance races for sports cars across Europe. Different types of cars race together, but they’re scored within their own classes.
IMSA is a big North American organization that runs sports-car races. When people say “across IMSA,” they mean the races happening under IMSA’s series.
“WAC” is mentioned as another racing series to cover this week, but this excerpt doesn’t spell out what it means. It’s probably a shorthand the hosts use for a specific motorsport championship.
Topic
IGTC
IGTC is a GT-focused racing series. The hosts are saying they’ll cover it along with other endurance events this week.
Topic
VLMS
“VLMS” is another racing series the hosts plan to cover, but this snippet doesn’t explain what the acronym stands for. It’s probably a shorthand for an endurance championship.
The Michelin Le Mans Cup is a racing series that runs alongside the main endurance event. It helps different teams and car types get their own races during the same weekend.
Venture Engineering is the team behind the race car the hosts are talking about. In endurance racing, the team matters because they manage the car and strategy across the race.
“Hypercar seats” means the spots where drivers get to race the top-level hypercars. Teams are always looking for new talent to fill those driver roles.
A “factory team” is a team supported by the car manufacturer itself. They usually have more engineering support and resources to develop the race car over the season.
Concept
FIWC Plus
FIWC Plus is the service they mention for watching the races. You can watch live or catch up later, depending on the schedule.
WEC is a world championship for endurance racing. “Round two” just means the second race event of the season, and teams use it to keep improving after the earlier races.
The Mustang Challenge is a racing program focused on Ford Mustangs. It’s designed to help drivers learn and compete in a more controlled, comparable way.
The Ford Mustang is a sporty car made by Ford, usually as a coupe or convertible. It’s known for being fun to drive and for having versions that can handle more aggressive driving. That’s why it often shows up in discussions about daily driving that still feels like a sports car.
A transporter fire means the truck or trailer carrying race cars caught fire. That can be a huge problem because the team may lose the car and parts they need to race.
Concept
GP
GP usually means Grand Prix, which is a major kind of race event. It’s often used to talk about racing series that have their own championship and event schedule.
The Porsche 935 is a famous old race Porsche from the 1970s. Here, they’re talking about it wearing a throwback Apple-style paint scheme for the event.
Apple is the company behind the classic-style branding shown on the race car livery. The hosts think it looks especially cool because it uses Apple’s older look.
“C5R” is a Corvette race car. It’s built for endurance racing—so it’s designed to stay fast and reliable over long events, not just for short sprints.
Concept
TCR ranks of Machine Pilot Challenge
“TCR” is a type of racing for cars that are based on real production models. Saying it’s in the “TCR ranks” means they’re running a TCR class at that event.
The Dodge Neon is being referenced as the inspiration for a throwback racing livery. In other words, the team’s current car design is paying homage to the Neon-era look from the team’s early days.
Term
throwback element
A throwback element is a deliberate design or theme that references an earlier era—often using retro colors, logos, or styling. In this segment, it refers to honoring the team founder with an older-style look.
“Wet” refers to racing conditions on a rain-soaked track, which changes grip levels and tire behavior. The hosts mention wet capability to emphasize that the car should remain competitive even when conditions are slippery.
Wayne Taylor Racing is a race team. They compete in long-distance sports car races, and the hosts are talking about whether they’ll be back at Le Mans.
Balanced performance is how race organizers try to make different cars compete more evenly. They adjust things so no single car type is automatically faster.
Operational skill is how well the team runs the race behind the scenes. That includes things like pit stops and strategy, not just how fast the car is.
GTP is the highest-level prototype racing class in IMSA. It’s one of the main categories on the track, but there are also other classes racing at the same time.
GTD is one of the GT racing categories in IMSA. It’s for race cars that are based more closely on production models, and it runs alongside the faster prototype classes.
“Drivability” means how pleasant and easy the car is to control day-to-day and in different driving situations. If a report says the drivability is bad, it usually means the car doesn’t respond smoothly or predictably.
Lamborghini is the Italian supercar brand being discussed. The hosts talk about how the company’s approach—rolling out cars more gradually and using feedback to address issues—can help when early criticism or technical problems show up.
A “development programme” is a structured plan to improve a car—often involving engineering updates, testing, and iterative fixes—based on early data and feedback. Here, it’s framed as a short-term effort while only a limited number of cars are out.
Topic
time area erasing
They’re talking about getting better over the next month or two—likely meaning the car’s speed or consistency improves as changes are made. The exact phrase in the transcript sounds off, but the idea is performance improvement.
The Nürburgring 24 Hours is a long endurance race—cars run for a full day at the Nürburgring track. Different classes of race cars share the event, so it’s not just one single type of car competing.
An entry list is the official list of who’s registered to race. For a 24-hour event, it also hints at how crowded the track will be and what kinds of cars will be competing.
Max Verstappen is a famous race driver. When he shows up for an endurance race like the Nürburgring 24 Hours, it draws extra attention beyond the usual endurance crowd.
A GT3 car is a specific type of race car category used in endurance events. Here, it matters because it tells you what kind of car Verstappen is driving.
A car cap is the maximum number of cars allowed in the race. It’s mainly there to keep things safe and manageable when there are lots of cars on track.
Concept
box office
They’re talking about ticket sales. The point is that the event is so popular it may be fully sold out before race day.
Homologated means the race organizers have officially approved the car for that racing category. Here, they’re saying these cars are very quick, but they haven’t been formally approved as GT3 race cars.
The HWA Resto-Mod EVO-R is a restomod-style race-prep car being discussed as a major SPX fan favorite. The hosts note it resembles an old-school Mercedes DTM car and that multiple entries will run in retro liveries.
They’re talking about the BMW M3 Touring, which is the M3 in a wagon body style. It’s a rarer and more practical take on the M3 that many fans find especially interesting.
A factory-entered car is a race car supported by the car company itself. That usually means more official backing and resources than a private team gets.
GT4 is a class of sports-car racing for production-based cars that are modified for track use. It’s typically positioned below GT3 in performance and cost, and it emphasizes close racing within class rather than outright prototype speed.
The Dacia Logan is a more affordable car model. Here it’s mentioned because it’s grouped in the same race class as a much more expensive McLaren, showing how racing categories work.
The McLaren Artura Trophy is a racing version of the McLaren Artura. The host is saying it’s especially quick and worth watching.
Car
Genesis GMR 001
The Genesis GMR 001 is a new race car Genesis is bringing to endurance racing. The hosts are talking about when it will debut and how its first races fit into the season.
Concept
expected race experience time
They’re basically saying the team only got a certain amount of useful track running before the race. More track time usually means more chances to test the car and avoid surprises.
A “tire strategy blunder” means the team made the wrong call on when to switch tires (or which compound to use) relative to changing conditions like rain. In endurance racing, that can cost significant time because tire changes and traction differences are huge.
A sensor issue means a malfunctioning or inaccurate data input (for example, speed, temperature, or position sensors) that can trigger safety limits or incorrect control behavior. In racing, even a small sensor fault can force the team to slow down or spend time troubleshooting.
Ferrari is referenced as the car the team had to deal with during the race. Here it’s used to illustrate traffic and race dynamics—how one car can get stuck behind another and lose time.
Concept
everything shuffles back
If you lose time or get stuck, you fall back in the running order. That can also affect what your team does next, like when to pit and what tires to use.
Topic
Barcelona test
The “Barcelona test” refers to pre-season or mid-cycle testing at Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya. Testing is used to validate reliability, setup direction, and operational plans before committing to race entries.
In motorsport, a “service provider” is typically an external team or organization that supplies operational support—engineering, logistics, mechanics, or race-day execution—for another program. The hosts are discussing when that support decision would be made for the team’s racing effort.
Acura is a car brand, and they’re mentioned because they’re pausing their racing program. That kind of change can shake up who’s competing and how strong the field is.
Q1 and Q2 mean the first and second quarters of the year. They’re using it like a calendar to say when certain decisions or announcements should happen.
Term
MCL High
“MCL High” sounds like a project nickname for McLaren’s upcoming hypercar effort. It’s the kind of name teams use while the program is still being developed and revealed.
Hypercar 2027 is about the next big era of the top endurance-racing class. Teams build and time their cars around the rules and competition that will be used then.
A “ruleset 2030” means the racing organization is planning new rules for the year 2030. Teams have to plan their cars around those rules, so it can change what they decide to build or when they enter.
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IndyCar world with the rollout of revised cars
This means IndyCar is bringing out updated versions of the race cars. When that happens, it can influence what other teams or partners decide to do in other racing series.
Brand
Arrow
Arrow is mentioned as a partner connected to IndyCar. In racing, partners like this can provide support and help teams coordinate plans.
Company
United
“United” is mentioned as a potential participant in efforts in the United States, implying a corporate partner or stakeholder. Without more context in the excerpt, it’s unclear which specific organization is meant, but it’s being treated as an actor that could influence decisions.
A “lobbying job” means someone is trying to influence the people who write the rules. The idea is that the comments are meant to steer decisions, not just inform the public.
A “rule book” is the official list of racing rules. It tells teams what cars can be built and how races are run, so they can plan their cars and budgets.
“Current machinery” just means the race cars teams are using right now. The point is that teams need to know if they should keep working on those cars or plan for what comes next.
A “transition period” is the time when racing rules are changing. Teams may hesitate to spend money on new cars until they know what the next rules will be.
A “rule set coming” means the next set of racing rules that will be enforced. The speaker is saying teams can’t confidently plan new cars or spending until they know those rules.
LMDH is a racing rule for high-end endurance prototype cars. It’s meant to let the same type of race car compete in both the IMSA series and at Le Mans, using a shared technical framework so teams can run in multiple places.
LMH is a set of rules for the top “hypercar” style race cars in endurance racing, including Le Mans. In this segment, they’re talking about LMH teams possibly having to switch to a different rule set (LMDH) later on.
The FIA is the governing body for a lot of racing, and its safety standards are the rules about how safe the cars must be. If those rules change, teams can’t just keep the same car—they may have to redesign parts to meet the new safety requirements.
A “spine” is the main structural backbone of the race car that everything else mounts to. If the rules require new spines, it usually means the car’s core structure has to be redesigned.
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homologation/approval
Race cars usually have to be officially approved to compete under a given rule set. If the rules change, teams may need approval for a new design before they can race it.
Alpine is a racing brand that competes at the highest levels of endurance racing. This segment is about what happens when Alpine steps away—who still supports the cars, and whether other partners can keep the program going.
LMP2 is one of the prototype racing categories at Le Mans. It’s generally where teams run purpose-built race cars, and it’s a key stepping stone for endurance racing success.
Proton is brought up as a possible partner that might help a major brand stay involved in racing. The hosts are using it as a comparison for what a “partner solution” could look like.
Concept
FIA World Insurance Championship hypercar class
The hypercar class is the top level of endurance racing in the FIA World Endurance Championship. It’s where the most advanced, fastest prototypes compete, and the hosts are discussing BYD potentially joining it.
Great Wall Motor is a Chinese car company. The hosts are mentioning it as an example of a Chinese brand that has been aiming to race in GT3-type competitions.
Brand
Sheary
“Sheary” sounds like a name that may be misheard in the transcript. The point is that the hosts are talking about another Chinese car company laying out a multi-year plan for racing.
BYD is a big Chinese car and battery company. Here, the hosts are saying BYD might take over an existing racing effort and put its own name on the race car.
Re-homologate means “get the race car officially approved again.” If the car is changed enough (or rebranded), the series has to confirm it still follows the rules.
The FIA World Endurance Championship is a major racing series for long-distance sports cars. The hosts are saying a Chinese manufacturer could be the first to join soon.
Brand
Scenetec
Scenetec is mentioned as an example of a team/company that found a faster way to get into a racing category. The hosts are using it as a comparison for how Chinese brands might enter endurance racing.
Concept
LNP1
LNP1 is the name of a top prototype racing class in endurance racing. The hosts are saying Scenetec used that route to get in with a team like Rebellion.
Racing series change their rules over time. The “2030 regs cycle” means the sport is planning a new set of rules then, and teams want to be ready so they can build a competitive car.
The BYD Seal is an electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. The discussion is about how it looks, including its front and rear styling details. It’s being mentioned because its design is a big part of how BYD presents the car.
Car
Geneta Olympian One
Geneta Olympian One is a named racing project. The hosts are saying they saw it collapse firsthand, and they’re using that as a comparison point for what might happen next.
“Chinese backing” means support from Chinese companies or investors. In racing, that support can help a team fund development and keep the project going.
Concept
white goods personal or company car
They’re using “white goods” as a metaphor for everyday consumer products. The point is that car choices can feel very different depending on whether you’re buying for yourself or for a company.
Concept
luxury and performance marketplaces
The hosts are describing a strategy shift: targeting higher-end “luxury” and “performance” segments where profit margins are typically better. They connect this to how manufacturers can use motorsports credibility to sell more expensive cars.
Brand
Felipe Signo
Felipe Signo is the person the hosts are talking about. They credit him for helping keep a racing effort going and for being loyal and involved over time.
Signitech is the company/operation run by Felipe Signo. In racing, groups like this help build, prepare, and support the cars so they can compete at a high level.
Paul Ricard Circuit is a well-known road course in France that hosts major sports-car and endurance events. The hosts use it to set context for where they are and how far away their location is from the track.
Topic
WC race meeting
“WC race meeting” is used as shorthand for a World Championship race weekend. In sports-car coverage, this typically points to the top-tier series calendar where teams race for championship points.
LIVE
Well, welcome to the Weekend Sports Cars podcast of the Marshall Probe podcast collection
and brought to you as always with the valued support of the Justice Brothers and TaransoMotorsports.com.
I'm Graham Gubbin, I'm the editor-in-chief at delysportscar.com, joined this week by
none other than Stephen Kilby, the editor at DSC and the WC correspondent for our friends
at racer.com. Stephen, let's just describe where we are and why we're here. It is without
doubt the most serene and beautiful setting I think we've ever recorded a twist.
Yeah, marginally better than the office in Surrey.
Marginally better and with no danger of being interrupted by Husky.
No, exactly. It's absolutely stunning here. South of France getting ready for
qualifying and the race to come, second round of the European Le Mans series season,
plenty of excitement, packed paddock as always. But I don't think that's the main reason for doing
this podcast this week. There's loads to talk about across IMSA, across WAC, obviously we'll
do a little bit of VLMS. And also IGTC as well, we're working 24 hours.
This is good and bad, isn't it, kicking around. So let's get straight into it. What do you want
to talk about the two race meetings this weekend first?
Yeah, why not?
Let's clear that one up. So it is the European Le Mans series, the full package here
with the Michelin Le Mans Cup, the Asia-European series, joined, well by the way, by Euricups,
you're a Formula 3, I think, which we're doing commentary for tomorrow.
Fantastic.
Delighted, by the way, bump into an old mate, Jan Lamas, who's sort of a 16-year-old son is
part of that package. And in a link list as well, recent ex-indicator driver taking part in that
to keep his hand in for racing. At Paul Ricard, does produce great racing in the European Le Mans
series habitually. We saw, I think, green shoots of what could be a really very close season here
across the classes. I know we're hoping that the number nine car, which is the Venture Engineering
Crude, for that read Ford Hypercar Crude effort, which didn't make it through turn two
at Barcelona, hoping for better things there. But I'm expecting it to be the usual, all kinds of
the LMS crazy, and both the good and the bad ways that comes our way.
Yeah, much hoping we get further than sort of turn three before the carnage and choose,
because it was a bit too much on that finger Barcelona. But once we got racing,
it was fantastic, wasn't it? A really good start to the season. And we've discussed it a couple of
times. It has a different feeling, doesn't it, this year's LMS field? It's not this galaxy of
superstars and everywhere you look, there's a Le Mans winner and an Indy car driver.
There's so many youngsters who are all sniffing around at hypercar seats in the future.
Some of them are really, really promising. There's so exciting talents here.
The pace is not, even now, if anything, it's almost turned up a notch. And I think there's
every reason to think we're going to be looking back at this season thinking,
that's why this kid showed what they've got. And that's why they're in
insert name of hypercar factory team in two or three years time.
For me, if you don't normally watch the European Le Mans series and you fancy maybe just watching
one just to dip your toe in, this is the race to do it this weekend. Watch it on Sunday or
watch it on catch up next week on FIWC Plus. It's available for free on there because this is
the dress rehearsal for a majority of these teams before Le Mans.
Okay, let's deal with that one. It has been a controversial choice to switch the coverage
from free on YouTube to FIWC Plus, but it is still free. You need to register for an account,
and then you can watch the European Le Mans series, Michelin Le Mans Cup, live and free.
App has now launched as well by the way. App has now launched, which is great news.
So it's not just the desktop. You can get it on your mobile. I wouldn't tablet it a lot easier.
And you know what? It's a good opportunity to get that nailed in before WEC round two next weekend.
So if you're not committed to that, you are thinking of joining us for the season.
Now's the time to get it in. Get it all dialed in. Make sure it's doing what it needs to do with
whichever device is single or plural you're going to use. Now's the time to do it. Looking forward
to it. It'll be yourself and you and Wayne from the DSC Academy in the press room for DSC. It'll
be Johnny Palmer and myself in the booth with Steph Wentworth on Pit Lane as always for the
European Le Mans series and thoroughly looking forward to a packed day tomorrow with racing
and qualifying and then the race itself on Sunday. That's race beating number one.
Race beating number two, which is stateside, no less exciting. Nice.
IMSA weather championship returns. We've got another full team on site for both DSC and for
racer with RJ O'Connell and making her debut in the IMSA paddock professionally. Nat Johnson,
Johnston, my apologies, our brand new DSC Academy trainee who is helping out RJ on his DSC and
racer duties and exciting news that we'll be going to be breaking in the next 24 hours.
That's this marks the start of coverage Mustang challenge for daily sports car with Ford racing
getting behind Natalie's ongoing career. Yeah, I'm really excited to see how she develops and
there's going to be loads to follow on that front because she's not just going to be sitting there
doing session reports. Her brief for the most part is to learn and to produce pretty creative
material about the Ford pyramid, about the dark horse are learning about the business model for
Ford. There's going to be some interesting features about how one makes series racing works, why it's
important and why it produces such exciting racing and talent. So yeah, really excited to
see how she gets on and it is a really fun weekend for IMSA and that paddock. It's been the odd bit
of bad news recently, plenty of it in the last couple of weeks and even in the run up to this race
with the news that DHT's had to withdraw due to a transporter fire. But when you look beyond some
of the negatives and we'll get to a little bit of that in a while, it's throwback weekend Graham
and we are a sucker for a retro livery aren't we? We should say before we go any further, we are
going to go through some of the storylines good and bad in hypercar and GP and beyond
during this show. Stick with us but we are going to cover off the racing separately,
but it is throwback weekend and you know what those teams that have got off the rest and done
something about it or more power to them. I hope that everyone else who hasn't taken part this year
realises how cool it is and how many opportunities there are for publicity next year.
Who are we going to shout out to? Let's start with Porsche. We're looking at it now, what do we record?
The Apple livery which is harking back to is Dick Barbacare? Yes Dick Barbacare, it's a 935
stunning livery and besting about it for me Graham aside from the fact that they just genuinely
looks awesome is the fact that they've got the old-school Apple branding and typeface,
they've not had to modernise it obviously that this is fresh off the musing, the Apple music
livery at Long Beach, it just looks fantastic. If you're at the circuit and you're going to the
autograph session because why wouldn't you get the poster? It's going to be iconic. Yeah, it's a
cracking thing. The fact that the leading cars, safety cars are branded up as well I think is
amazing that looks absolutely awesome as well. So well done to both Porsche and most important
North America and to Apple, that matter for getting that to happen. Beyond that though,
they're not the only ones that throw back livery's. No, so we've got Paul Miller racing,
got a throwback to 1975 BMW 3 CSL, really really just it's not the first time we've seen that livery
in recent times celebrated but it looks fantastic on the on the M23. Why wouldn't you want to see
it again? And actually GTD Pro for that matter is just full of full of these. Well the Corvette,
the Corvettes, it's throwback enough and brace yourself for this. This is a Corvette livery
from before Ollie Gavin's time that long ago. 75 years ago. Unbelievable. So it is the fabulous
yellow with white side, white sides. It's the good range livery I think. Yeah, it says from 2000
it's a car that that's really kicked off the first yellow livery. And we had a conversation
didn't we with Serge about that. Yeah, man behind the yellow branding for Corvette originally and
it's just gone on to become a phenomenon and it's stuck and for good reason and it doesn't really
nice. It's really well turned out this livery from from Pratt Miller. So going to see Corvette with
heritage livery. Yeah, really cool. C5R, great car. C5R, which is obviously what it harks back to,
such a cool car. I have to say probably my favorite Corvette. C5R. I know you're a C6R.
I'm a C6R man. But you're wrong. So but C5 dash R of course because rather as opposed to the C6
point R, it went all pointy and not rather than dashy at that point, which I think was
a major mistake. And that's why it's not my favorite. Beyond that though,
not like who's there a racing racing by the way, if you're here at Paul Ricard for the very first
time, they have got an LMS paddock or rather fan area, merch stand for a stuff here in the south
of France. Just killing it on the family's got to the point where they feel the need to actually
expand the merchandise operation to cover Europe properly. It shows you just how well this has
worked beyond just a few people buying a t-shirt or race meeting. I think we're going to have to
reel it in somewhat because what we're getting to the point of the gun internet and PHA higher
are going to be wandering in the paddock with a car reader. We can't have that. Tap to meet me.
Tap to meet me. Tap for merch. But let's talk about the 77 car. Sketchy. Yeah, sketchy and it's
essentially a throwback to the early concept of what Rexie was going to look like. So it just
looks fabulous. I mean, I've seen nice pictures coming from the paddock from RJ on the ground.
And I imagine it looks even more spectacular in person. It's just a really cool, fun thing.
So thanks, Connor. That's another model car I've got to buy. Thanks. Brilliant. Thanks. Thanks so
much. Yeah. What a nightmare. And then there's a few other more oddball. Well, it's the dragon
speed car. The dragon speed car, which basically is psychedelic. Yeah, I don't know. Is that a
throwback? It's overtime. Yeah. It's other than that, which is what Elton Julian was dreaming
them like they decided to do something. I suspect I might have been that. I think I've dreamed in
that livery. I think I've thrown that up. That's kind of what Marshall said last week. Yeah,
but in the best possible way. No, it just looks fantastic. But beyond that, we've got
outside of the WeatherTech paddock, Ibiza Farm Motorsports, they've got
a livery that yeah, it's kind of associated with the F1 heritage of McLaren, Red Chevrons.
Looks very nice. And a really fun one is in the TCR ranks of Machine Pilot Challenge.
This is a Goo Racing's Audi, which will honor the founder of the team, throwback to its orange,
and there's a cracking picture of a Dodge Neon in that livery from when the team first started.
How cool is that? Check it out on DSC's paddock notes for the first day there, because it is very
cool. That is very cool. Yeah, I like that. It's different. They're not basically a Dodge Neon
this week, and we should make that clear. No, no, no. I don't know. See, yeah, that's the throwback
element of it. But there's obviously a race for everyone to win. We've just come off of Long Beach
where Acura won, and what a time to win it off the back of some unfortunate news of that program
going away. What a pause with that one for a moment with the Acura news.
Corporate bodies, when they've got bad news to share, can be tempted into a position where
they don't tell the entire truth. And I want to say this. I want to say thank you to Acura,
and Marshall went and broke that story. They were completely straight with him. They've been
straight with us all the way through. And I have to say, on behalf of the team that I employ,
the breaking of that story for DSC, a very nice note post weekend from the Acura guys
to express how happy they were with the tone of what we did, with what must have been an
extremely difficult weekend for them. I have to say, you and I had to talk a long time
about our lack of comfort with having to break that story on the weekend of a race meeting that
was branded by that brand. We're just in a position where we had to do it because it was going to
break, and it did. So, well done to them for winning. What can they do this time at Laguna
Seca against the powerhouse that is Porsche Kopenzki Motorsport with BMW still looking
as if it's got possibilities of challenging for that. And then there's Caddy, and I think we have
to sort of almost increasingly talk about Cadillac. They look on the verge of action expressed. They
do. Not convinced by the Wayne Taylor side of it yet. And that's the point is that we're almost
getting to the stage where we're having to talk about that effort in two different phrases. It's
action expressed and it's Wayne Taylor racing. It's not Cadillac. But obviously, but am I wrong?
No, not at all. We're at a point, and I can't for a second believe that the guys at Wayne
Taylor racing wouldn't agree. They really need a result right now. It has been a while.
They have got everything in place. They've got great drivers, great group of people. They've
got a car that's capable of winning races, and in IMSA capable of winning races and wet for that
matter. It just hasn't come together for them at all. And even at Long Beach, we thought maybe this
is an opportunity, very different style of race. Maybe we'll see them see them up the front if
the Porsches were pegged back enough. But again, I want to see them acknowledging
what I think we can see and others can see, which is something wrong here.
You know, this is not quite where we expect them to be in terms of the overall pace.
Maybe they need to do a little bit of a review and find out where the gap is. And please do
something about it because we're not invested in anything other than successfully teams.
No, no. And let's not forget that we're not that far away from seeing Wayne Taylor racing at
Le Mans again. Not far at all. General Motors really, really, really want to win that race.
And Jota are going to want to have that third arm, not back up, but they're going to want to have
that additional element of another Cadillac that's competitive all week because together as a collective
unit, if everything goes right, there's no reason why they can't win that race.
Indeed. Okay. So what are we expecting then? So Porsche-Bensky Motorsport 1, so again?
Yeah. Here's the important part of it. Again, we've seen a situation where there's a huge
amount of focus, again, placed on one or two values in a balanced performance thing. And for me,
what we've seen in the competition over the last couple of seasons is exactly what I've been
struggling for a way to explain, which is it really isn't about that. It is an element,
but it isn't about that. We've seen cars in, allegedly, a much better state of balance performance
in relative competition, humbled by the fact that Porsche-Bensky Motorsport have put an
exemplary operational skill and strategic skill and kicked ass.
Yep. Completely agree. That's GTP, but it's not the only class in the field.
The two GT classes or GTD classes are in action, and there's certainly some elements of that.
I'm really excited to watch. One of which is the Faf guys. They had a good run at Long Beach,
didn't get the result for it. It looked much better with the Temerari, but this is a race that's
coming off the back of quite a scathing story that came out following the DTM opener about
perhaps the... Shall we explain what the story basically said? Basically said,
give it up, crush it, put it in the bin. Is that broadly speaking? I wouldn't go that far,
but it was not very complimentary about the drivability of that car and its potential,
and, yeah, it didn't read very well, certainly in the translation. Seared it read like a...
Not that it's a lost cause already, but very concerning.
What's German for the skirmish falling?
I'll admit, I didn't see them watch those DTM races, and I'll admit that I've not actually
been present at a race meeting where I've seen that car and had any in-depth conversations with
people at Lamborghini to find out more. What I would say, though, is that what Lamborghini has done
is they've not gone so hard so fast and tried to produce 50 cars for you or service all their
customers at once with a brand new car. If there are fundamental flaws with this car,
there are going to be opportunities to fix them. I'm sure this is a very proud organisation that
they will go to any length to do so, and they've got an opportunity now, if there are things that
immediately need to be addressed, that they can get on with developing that before they have this
massive wide rollout of the car in the next couple of years.
A quick fix or development programme with relatively few cars out there that need that
direct support. It's a single media report about it. I take that seriously. I'm sure no responsible
journalists would have written what they've written without good reasons, supported by not
just their own observations, but from comments private or otherwise from within. For me,
we're surprised to see the level of criticism that was coming the way, so what we'd actually seen.
We're going to find out a lot in the next month or two when we start to see the
time area erasing more regularly. That's what I'm going to say. There's a lot to cover in terms of
news beyond that, though. Where do you want to go first?
I think the biggest topics are the stuff that I think is around IMZR and WEC and future regulations
plus direction of some of the programmes. Let's cover off the last major bit of news outside of
that first. Let's talk about the Nurburgring 24 hours, because the entry list for that is out,
and that is definitely worth a mention. I should apologise for the way that I'm still coughing
with the disgraceful. It's just hanging around the rotten chest infection.
This is back to the almost glory days in terms of the numbers, and indeed what composes those
numbers? Yeah, this is only 161 car entry lists for this year. What can possibly go wrong?
I mean, yeah. How many of those are Datsunmogans? Not enough, somewhat argue. There's 41 cars
believe in GT3 and SP9. 27 of them are in IGTC points. It looks like it's going to be a glorious
race. Of course, Max Verstappen featuring. Max Verstappen, the big headline, of course he is.
It's his first crack at the event, first crack of the 24-hour race with his team in a GT3 car.
The world is going to be watching it, and to the point where obviously we've got this huge
entry list because everyone wants to be part of it in that community, and they've had to lift
the cap of 150 cars by maximising paddock space to be able to do it, but to the amount of people
that are going to be there for that race, I don't know if I'm even ready to see it on pictures,
because it's usually really, really busy that event. We're talking about the sell-out. We're
talking about them actively coming out and saying they're probably not going to have a box office
on the day, and you think of the size of that circuit. It's enormous. I mean, the spectator
enclosures, if you can call the rather large parts of real estate enclosures,
are absolutely enormous. I've heard some extraordinary stories about requests for ticket
sales from the Max Verstappen fan club. It's not a fan club. That's something completely different.
Fan club. I actually want to be part of that, though.
Yeah, 100%.
It's one aspect of it. Can he win it? Can he finish it? That's another big part of this one.
But beyond that, other storylines as well are not just in SP9, where there's talents
called Christopher Hauser, by the way. He's knocking out the park, he's doing this, he's loving it.
You've known Chris for a long time, so have I. The nicest, gentlest guy, but put him in a GT3 race
car. No one's getting around him. He's an ax-wielding, murderous son of a gun. And twice now we've seen
him getting stuck into a battle that I think both of them have enjoyed with Max Verstappen.
I want to talk as well, though. Could you imagine if, after all, this Audi won it?
Now, of course, there's senior Roland, Formula One, and that's whether or not they can put,
I don't know, their bacon-butty budget to one side, and maybe let's say as a sports car
action with Audi. I also want to talk about SPX.
Yeah, it's going to be one that everyone's going to be watching as well.
Because it's just so SPX is a standalone class for cars that can be up to and including the
performance levels of the SP9 GT3 car, but are not homologated race cars.
And there are four cars in that class that I think are going to be massive fan favourites,
one which I think is your favourite car of the year.
Five cars in the class, four of them are particularly awesome. We'll cover off the
fifth one first, writer-engineering, KTM Crossbow, still very cool.
Looks like the kind of car that they would put into a future-looking sci-fi movie or Doctor Who
episode. Yeah, awesome. But you've got three examples of the HWA Resto-Mod EVO-R, which is the
one that looks like an old school Mercedes-DTM car. That just looks awesome. It goes like the
cappers as well. There's three of those. They're all in retro liveries, aren't they?
Believe so. Yes. What's in the catch of liveries?
Yeah, some really fun drivers in there as well. Rengar's in there.
Vinky? Marcus Vinkalock told me he was doing it.
He is? Yeah. So there's three of those.
And then you've got the BMW M3 Touring, which I'm going to come out and say it,
as much as the hype around the Max Verstappen bit is there. I completely understand it. Of course,
I'd love to be there to watch him take on that race because of his profile and how talented he is.
I'm actually more devastated that I'm not going to be covering that race live because I'm not
going to see the M3 Touring because I love everything about it. That's going to be an XPX
factory-entered car. By the way, we've got a nice story coming before the Nürburgring 24 hours.
I sat down with Andreas Roos and he told me the background story to that car and there's some
lovely aspects to it. The level of pride at BMW and motorsport about that car is pretty unlimited.
It is a privately owned car. Yeah. And it's Jens Klingmann. You're going to build a
Kondiflipi in Nilverhagen. Very, very good and capable quarter. Wouldn't it be amazing if that
thing won? Well, here it is. The days when I was covering this for TV,
one of the fun parts of it was how far up the order can a non-SP9 car come. And we certainly
had cars inside the top 10. That one is worth a look. Everyone involved in it is going to be 100%
glued to let's just see how far we can push the thing. You just have to remember to go into the
boot first. Yes. So yeah, we've got that. We've got trunk motor GT4 cars, 32. There's McLaren
Artura Trophy in the same class as the Dacia Logan, I believe. That Artura Trophy, by the way,
is one to watch because it is rapid. Yeah. No, it's a really cool bit of kit.
It's like an extreme GT4, isn't it? Okay. What's next? So yeah, that's the N24. It's on May 14th
to 17th. Probably don't need to tell anyone that because everyone's ready to watch it anyway.
So let's move on from that and start talking about some of the bigger topics that have emerged
in the last couple of weeks or last week, I'd say, in hypercar and GTP. Should we start with
Genesis? Let's start with Genesis. Genesis, let's set the scene. Genesis, obviously they're
expected to debut the GMR 001 at Qatar. That's race weekend, of course, postponed,
currently expecting that late October, subject to confirmation, subject to the
ongoing geopolitical situation. Thank you very much. Which means that that car arrived
at Imola two weeks ago, which was its racing debut, 10 hours short, or in fact 20 hours short,
because it's two cars, of the expected race experience time the team had gotten the wheels
of it. Now, what does that mean? That means, obviously, I think a really good start at Imola.
One car run pretty much fault free. They made a bit of a strategic blunder about tires when
the expected rain. We had one car with a sensor issue that cost it half an hour. Is that right?
Something like that, yeah. So I thought they pulled up an absolutely fantastic fight.
It's difficult to pass a course at Imola and we did see one of the two cars hold up on the Ferrari
for a long time. You know, I'm perfectly fair to do that. What that means is everything shuffles back.
Not in terms of the program, at least not yet, but in terms of the decision making process.
So right now, where were we, Stephen? It was worth reminding the listener where we were in terms
of what Surreal Abidabool and the team had actually said. Yeah. So the very end of last year,
test at Barcelona, Surreal said, decision on which team was going to be the service provider for the
effort in Imza was going to be made likely in Q1 when Alves into Q2 of the year. And then the
debut of the car in Imza competition, GTP, likely to be Watkins Glen as a rough target. So after
I'm on halfway through the season, and for me, pretty sensible, it's really tough to get something
like that going, especially when you're pushing hard to get the weka off the ground to then suddenly
commit to a big expansion into a championships as tough to race in and expensive as Imza.
High ambition. So it doesn't surprise me at all that, you know, they're not going to just go
flying into Daytona and Seabream that they want to leave it a bit longer. But now supposedly,
bit of a related decision making process. And we don't yet know exactly what that means about
their entry point into Imza and whether they'll join in 2027 at all. It could be that they come
for the very end of the season, do a marquee race like Petite Le Mans, that'd be quite fun.
Well, maybe a race before Petite Le Mans and Petite Le Mans. But I wouldn't,
I don't think this is a reason to panic. No, I think it's no reason to believe they're going to
suddenly scrap it or anything like that. The problem, no, the problem is it comes on the
in the wake of the news about Acura pausing their program at the end of this year. So it bites a
little bit. But for the moment, this is about delaying a decision. That decision might become
an awful lot easier if we get into the second half of this season. And that car flies.
Who knows what could happen. But certainly, what we've not seen is nobody today is saying
there's an absolute delay. Nobody's saying that, at least not yet. Okay.
No, we might find out more when we get to Spa next week.
I think we probably will. Okay. I think that that's frankly, as much as there is to say
about the Genesis thing. And if I were them, I would want to have to make a decision like that
right now. They've just taken the car sparking up. You've got Le Mans right around the corner as
well. The most sensible thing for me is to focus on that first, get through Le Mans and then work
out where you are at that point. We've got a big gap after that. The one thing we are now in the
window for, and this might be an actual delay, is from memory when you spoke to Surreal, one of
the things he laid out the timeline was the naming of their service provider in North America. And
that was Q1 or Q2. We're now into Q2. That does not appear to be imminent. Now, that might be
something we see a slight delay in. But that, again, comes down to everything sort of shuffled back
because of the situation with Qatar. So watch this space. Certainly nobody's to panic. There's no
sense as far as I can see anybody's rowing back on a commitment. It's simply just where the world
has taken us with this specific program. That's that specific program. Let's talk about another
specific program. Yeah. So let's talk about McLaren, obviously coming into hypercar 2027
with the MCL High as it's known and been announced. After this recording and into next week,
you can expect some more very fun news from McLaren. You can see a lot more of that car,
which is going to be fantastic. So it's going to be a big week for McLaren.
Yeah. We're going to hear a lot from McLaren next week. It's going to be, you know,
something you're going to want to see early next week. I won't say any more than that.
So yeah, again, it's a similar situation to Genesis and what are they going to do about
their entry point to Mza? Because again, they've got ambition to race in GTP. Differences,
they've not really outlined. This is the year we're going to go. This is the one we're going
to choose a service provider. They've not gone into much detail. Other than say,
certainly not before 28. Yeah, not before 28. And again, it's a case of they haven't debuted the car
yet. Let's kind of see how it goes. I wouldn't expect them to be committing to a firm timeline
at this point because their focus, first and foremost, was always work on hypercar. So
there's so much more news to come on that front, but we have heard
from Report Sack Brown talking about new ruleset 2030 and will that have an impact in their decision
making process? And will that impact whether they come to GTP before the turn of the decade or not?
What do we know about Sack Brown? That's a very broad question.
What do we know about Sack Brown? One thing we know about Sack Brown is he's not stupid.
He's not a stupid person. And if he's making statements on the record to our colleagues,
he's doing it with a reason behind it. And it absolutely fundamentally is not that he wants
to give them a clue about what's in his head about intention. It's because he's looking
to affect an outcome somewhere. Now, yes, he's explaining the commercial background to
some of the debating points about what happens. That is impacted pretty uniquely from McLaren
by what's happening in the IndyCar world with the rollout of revised cars there.
And what that will mean in terms of their capabilities. He's given some clues about
whether or not Arrow, the IndyCar partners, or indeed United might have a part in the effort
in the United States. But he's giving a kind of broad brush set of options, depending on outcomes
of various things, some of which are not sports car related for an entry point between 28 and 2030.
Now, you and I have had a conversation about this fairly recently. And I think we're both
pretty convinced that what you're actually reading, although it doesn't read like it,
is a bit of a lobbying job, correct? Yeah, I think you can read into it like that.
I don't necessarily think he's talking to us. He's talking to the rule makers. And this comes
into the wider topic and discussion about where we're going in 2030. We've talked about it at
length on the podcast. I've written about it at length. But we are closing in on the moment
where we're supposed to hear more about 2030. We're not necessarily any closer than we were
four or five months ago to outright clarity and an actual rule book being published.
And I think there's an element of concern in places that we need some firm decisions to be made
so that people can start planning. It's not like we're in a rush and it's next year and everyone's
got to bring a new car in 18 months time. But we are at a very interesting junction right now where,
as we've said, geopolitically, there's some challenges at the moment.
There's always a concern about budgets. Everyone's got their own agenda.
And that's not just the manufacturers, not just the championships and the rule makers.
That's also the suppliers. Everyone's got a voice that they want to be heard. And my
interpretation of this is that Zach's kind of doing just that. I think he's wielding the fact
that there's a bit of indecision about where this rule set's going to go, certainly in firm terms,
and using that as a platform to talk about where McLaren wants to take their sports car program
beyond WEC. Hence my initial statement, Zach Brown ain't stupid. Now that also potentially
indicates that he doesn't think that voice is being heard. That's potentially, I think, where
a critical point, certainly a lot of the conversations that you've been having, that I've
been having, are around the wish for clarity about where things stand with current machinery
and into a transition period. And this is where it's actually, I was going to use a word I'm going
to go back on. We're in a period where there was a critical point arriving. Everybody's interested
out there in who's coming next. Well, we know who's coming next. McLaren are coming next and
Ford are coming next. We're going to talk about someone else we think is coming next in just a
few moments. But we're now at a point where there's a hard stop to that growth because we know there's
a rule set coming. And unless and until people know what that rule set is, no one's going to commit.
No. And nobody can commit or even go down the road to committing unless you've got an absolute
sign off from a board no matter what happens, you're going to be there because you don't know
what the budget's going to look like. Because if we've got, for instance, a rule set that does
look indeed like LMDH, but with a bit more of an open rule set, and we see the LMH manufacturers
essentially asked to transition to LMDH or something that looks very much like it from
2030 onwards, that doesn't necessarily mean that the current LMDH manufacturers need to bring a
new car. Very different scenario if it's a completely brand new rule set, done to new FIA safety
standards, and we need brand new spines, and will it, who was going to offer a spine? Will you be
able to do your own chassis? Who has the capability of doing that? Nobody knows what the budgets are
going to be like for that yet because we don't know where it's going. Which is why it's important
to get the decision quickly. Because this is not a simple thing to go in and say, I know you gave
us this sack full of cash. All we're asking for is to continue that for another three, four years
with a similar sack full of cash. It's a tricky time to do that. It's been a tricky time, by the way,
to do it in this era. I'm so impressed that so many manufacturer teams have managed to get
these efforts underway and out there and competing. We shouldn't assume that that's going to be as
easy to do a second time. No. And I think that's why what Zack is doing, and what others are no
doubt doing in the background, is trying to get in the ear of the ACA around. And so for that
matter in the FIA, to basically inject a dose of reality into the debate. Let's not make assumptions
that we've got seven, eight, nine factory teams already willing and able to sign off on a brand
new car. But there is an ultimately positive angle to this. Whenever I'm having discussions about
this, there is positivity to be found almost everywhere, certainly amongst the manufacturers
and amongst the rule makers, is that the fact that we're in this situation in the first place is great,
but the fact that we're also getting to a point where you're planning for a rule set in advance
and you've got a situation where these manufacturers want action because they want to find a reason to
carry on coming on. I agree. It's not like everyone's quiet other than not that interested.
This will fade away. Next rule set will come along and they'll just quietly walk out stage left.
There's a willingness of everybody to get around a table and make this work because
everyone wants to carry on, ultimately. This is not a flash in the pan. People are seeing
the value that comes with this on a platform where people are interested in the cars and the
technology and the racing on both sides of the Atlantic and beyond. And it's going to be an
interesting period indeed for all concerned. Yeah. So that brings us on to the final arm of this,
which is Alpine. So following on from our discussion with Philippe Signo, head of Signitech at
Imla to talk about what his general thoughts are about Alpine's exit, what it means for
Signitech, which is owned in part by Alpine, whether it means they'll be able to run as a
privateer in some way with that car, whether they'll be looking elsewhere, what happens to that
incredibly decorated and capable team that's behind the effort. And it was interesting that
Philippe outwardly said, still talking to Alpine, what their partners want to move forward with
them, have discussions about what are the options going forward. And now, since then, we're hearing
more, not just written, but also in discussions that we've had in the Paddock about the potential
for BYD to form part of this solution. Yeah. So here's the thing. I've heard two or three
different stories to do this one. I'm not going to break down into that one with a deal to don't
know whether they're not pretty clearly from my point of view. We know what a massive part
of the journey for Signitech and Philippe Signo Alpine has been. It's 10 years this year since
they have their first Le Mans class win in LMP2 in this modern era with their version of the
Oracle Zero Three back then. Where we are now, actually the Oracle Zero Five, my apologies,
where we are now could be that we're effectively having a revised version, this time in Alpine Blue,
of sort of the conversation we're having with Proton about Porsche. Could Proton be part of a
solution to keep Porsche in WC, but with some form of factory-blessed effort? I think that's
looking less likely. And I think we've got good reason to believe, and we should explain a little
bit of the reasons behind this, that we might well see BYD in the FI World Insurance Championship
hypercar class with a likely, lightly reworked version of the A424 before 2030. I think potentially
as early as 2028. Yeah, I came off a very interesting phone call with somebody close to all this that I
trust and called you up and said, still hearing stuff about Chinese marketplace, there's some
positivity there. We've heard from multiple manufacturers, obviously we've had Great Wall
with a GT3 ambition, we've had Sheary come out and make some sort of public statement about what
they want to do. They're five-year plan. Yeah, so, and yes, it was told categorically, don't write it
off before the end of this decade, it could be before then, and I'm thinking, how could they do
that? How could this happen so quickly? And that's the point. And then you start to, maybe this won't
happen, maybe we'll put two together, two together and it'll actually make five. But
in the last week or so, you suddenly thought, this is all making too much sense now.
Yeah, so it's a matter of basically, has this been a plan or along? Can't possibly know that.
But what am I expecting is the most sensible answer to the question we've been asking ourselves,
others have been asking themselves, it is that BYD effectively buy that programme,
lock, stock and barrel, re-homologate and likely restyle the car as a BYD or as one of their
sub-brands and that we see the first Chinese manufacturer in the FI World Endurance Championship
the next couple of years alongside the first South Korean one. So all of a sudden, we're looking at
having been at a stage, Stephen, where we were debating, well, who's left? Okay, Mercedes-AMG,
that's a completely different story. That's one for a whole different programme.
That we were getting to the stage where we're almost running out of European
US manufacturers that had the will and the wherewithal to actually do this thing.
This could be the start of something even bigger.
Yeah, yeah, it's a whole marketplace that hasn't really been properly tapped into again. And
there's some echoes here because this is essentially what Scenetec did to get into
LNP1 with the rebellion. Yeah, absolutely right. And it was their shortcut into this.
Five years ago this weekend. Yeah, and it would make real sense for a man who likes to be a BYD
that has no presence here. If you want to come in quickly and there's a car there waiting for you
to operate, that's one race or the one race that's been updated as recently as this season.
Has a service provider ready to rock? Ready to rock and it has huge experience in
helping develop that car. It's almost the case if you're going to come and do this,
why would you do it the other way? You've then got a window to get your head around it,
run the car, build something up and then you've got the new regs cycle starting in 2030 as we've
mentioned. And at that point you've got enough experience and you can potentially go and maybe
you do bring a new car and that's a good entry point to do it. And even more bizarrely, they could
come in and be the very first in this case LMDH manufacturer to be ultimately competitive from
the word go. Why wouldn't they be? You're talking about a mild restyling, I don't anticipate they're
being a different engine, why would they be? The actual styling of the Alpine isn't dramatically
different from something that you'd envision a BYD LMDH to even look like in the first place.
Call it a seal. Perhaps remove the rear lights with the Alpine branding on them.
I'm going to put a B in a D. Fantastic. Yeah, of course you've got to be cautious with this and
are we putting two and two together and making four? Yeah, we could be. But there's
it's not just us. It's not just us and there's plenty of people talking about it and people
talk about with a level of authority that you don't usually get unless something's happened.
Well to the point where I've sat down with one source that I know and trust who says the deal
is done. I don't think that's yet true but it could be. Yeah and that'd be a load of fun and
I'm all for it. We stood there and watched first hand the Geneta Olympian One project
fall apart with Mano and the Chinese backing that they had. But as we've discussed before,
the Chinese automotive market outside of that region certainly is a completely different ball
game. For 2018-2019 when we're talking about that CFC backed Geneta, pointing in the direction
of any Chinese car that was on the marketplace in Europe. Or that was bought in any number.
Maybe the odd pickup truck. Now when you're looking for a white goods personal or company car,
the options are bewildering. We keep seeing new names of cars on the road and now we're at the
stage where the more established players like BYD want differentiation and are also beginning
in a kind of accelerated state that we've seen before for the Japanese manufacturers or for the
South Korean manufacturers to exploit the luxury and performance marketplaces because that's where
the big bucks are. In a marketplace where it's difficult to sell cars, you're going to sell a car,
sell a car with a decent profit margin and that's what motorsports can do. So we'll have to monitor
this going forward, see where it goes. I hope it does come off and not just because great senior
manufacturing but because we've said it before, we've got a colossal amount of respect for
Felipe Signo and his operation at Signitech. He's old school. He's been unbelievably loyal to a
brand that he's propped up in this sport in the modern era. He's reduced them to this sport.
Yeah, it's his baby and he deserves way more credit than he gets, perhaps.
And I want to see him back immediately next year. I don't want him to be a gap.
I don't want to get into a situation where he's struggling to keep the lights on and keep people
employed, waiting to find something because you hate to see it when you've got these powerhouse
teams that get left out in the cold. So let's hope something happens there. Let's hope the next
time we sit down with Felipe, hopefully very soon, that he's got some more positive news to share.
Well, I think that brings us to the end of what's been a pretty packed
week in sports cars podcast this week. Thanks, Stephen, for your time. Sonny's beginning to go
down in this. He didn't describe it really. We're up on the valley wall and an absolutely stunning
valley just outside La Boisée, religiously, foot of the hill, the bottom of the hill from
Paul Rickard circuit, about 15, 20 minutes away from the circuit.
Johnny Palmer is on the way with some pizzas. Oh, is he actually on the way now? I'm hoping so.
If not, he's eaten a lot and I'll be very sad. Very sad and indeed very angry.
But we'll say thanks again to Justice Brothers and to TorontoMetaSports.com.
I've been Graeme Goodman. He has been Stephen Kilby. This has been the week in sports cars
and we will speak to you again likely from Spa and the WC race meeting next week.
About this episode
Paul Ricard sets up a busy sports car weekend, with ELMS framed as a free, low-friction way to sample a Le Mans dress rehearsal while IMSA leans into retro liveries and fan-friendly throwbacks. The conversation then widens into major paddock news: Acura’s exit, concerns around Cadillac/WTR, criticism of Lamborghini’s GT3 direction, and a huge Nürburgring 24 entry list featuring Verstappen. From there, the hosts dig into Genesis and McLaren timelines, then speculate that BYD could fast-track a Hypercar/WEC entry by taking over an existing programme.
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