The “title” is the official paperwork that shows who owns the car. If the dealer doesn’t give it to you, you may not be able to register or prove ownership properly.
The Shelby GT 500 is a special, high-power version of the Ford Mustang. The host is saying they saw one listed there, but overall there weren’t many good deals.
A Shelby Mustang is a Ford Mustang that’s been made more powerful by Shelby. It’s usually built for better performance than a regular Mustang. In the podcast, it’s mentioned alongside other high-value cars in a comparison.
The Volkswagen up! GTI is a small sporty hatchback. It’s meant to be fun to drive while still being compact and practical. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as part of a Volkswagen-focused conversation.
The left lane is the lane closest to the center/median on multi-lane roads, and it’s often treated as the “passing” lane. The host is describing a driving pattern where vehicles stay there for long stretches instead of moving right when they’re not actively passing.
“0% financing” means you borrow money without paying interest. But the dealership or manufacturer may still make money by charging a higher price or using other incentives, so it’s not always as good as it sounds.
0% interest means you’re not paying interest charges. But you can still end up paying more overall if the price or incentives are structured differently.
Sticker price is the “official” price printed on the car’s paperwork. If you pay that full amount, you may lose out on discounts or rebates that could make the deal cheaper.
The F-150 is a large pickup truck from Ford. It’s used for carrying things and towing, and it’s also common for everyday driving. In the podcast, it’s brought up as part of a comparison with other performance cars.
This means the car company itself is setting up the financing offer. The dealership usually just sells the car under those rules rather than inventing the 0% terms.
Third party financing means the money for the loan comes from a lender outside the dealership. The dealership helps arrange it, but they don’t always control the interest rate.
A cash rebate is money the manufacturer gives you to lower what you pay. Sometimes you can’t combine it with certain financing deals, so the “best” option depends on the numbers.
A trade-off means you usually get one advantage but pay for it somewhere else. With car deals, the “0%” headline may come with a higher price or fewer discounts.
The Chevrolet Express is a large van. It can be set up to carry people or be used for work, depending on how it’s configured. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a vehicle that can be used in a more personal or customized way.
When people say “allocations,” they mean limited production spots that a dealer gets to sell a specific high-demand car. For GT3s, those spots are scarce, so getting one can be the hardest part.
“Opportunity cost” means the downside of choosing one thing instead of another. In this case, not maintaining the car can hurt it later, even if you’re trying to treat it like an investment.
An “asset class” is just a type of thing people invest in. The point here is that some owners treat cars like investments you can hold, but cars still need upkeep to stay healthy.
“Investment mentality” means treating the car like a money investment instead of something you drive and care for. The downside is that cars still need maintenance to stay in good shape.
“Low mile goods” just means cars with low mileage. People pay more for them because they seem less used, but they can still need work if they weren’t properly maintained.
The Aston Martin V12 Vantage is a high-performance car with a V12 engine. The point here is that if you don’t replace wear items like spark plugs and ignition coils, the engine can misfire and that can cause expensive damage downstream.
The check engine light is a warning on your dashboard that something in the engine or emissions system isn’t working right. It doesn’t tell you exactly what’s wrong, but it usually means you should get the car scanned and checked.
Spark plugs are the small parts that create the spark to start combustion in each cylinder. If they’re worn out, the engine can misfire and run poorly.
Ignition coils provide the high voltage needed for the spark plugs to fire. On many V12 engines, worn coils can cause misfires, which can then lead to unburned fuel and higher risk of damage to emissions components.
Catalytic converters are parts in the exhaust that help clean up the engine’s fumes. If the engine misfires and sends extra fuel into the exhaust, the catalytic converter can overheat or get damaged.
Valve timing overlap is a moment in the engine cycle when both intake and exhaust valves are open briefly. That timing can affect how exhaust gases move through the engine, which is why problems in the exhaust can sometimes end up causing internal engine damage.
Bore scoring means the inside cylinder walls get scratched or damaged. If debris gets into the engine, it can grind against the cylinder surface and cause serious wear.
PPF is a clear plastic film that gets put on your car’s paint. It’s meant to protect the paint from things like small rocks and scratches so the car looks better longer.
Ceramic coating is a protective layer you apply to a car’s paint. It helps repel water and dirt and makes the car easier to wash, so the paint stays cleaner and looks better.
This is a tax rule that can delay taxes when you sell one investment property and buy another similar one. The host is saying it doesn’t work the same way for cars, so car swaps can create tax bills you can’t easily avoid.
Capital gains tax is what you pay when you sell something for more money than you paid for it. The host is saying that with cars, the government may still treat a trade as a taxable profit based on value changes.
The Lamborghini Diablo is a famous high-end supercar from Lamborghini. The host brings it up to illustrate how taxes can get complicated if you trade or sell a valuable car.
The Jaguar XJ220 is a very rare, very fast supercar made by Jaguar. Because it’s uncommon, it tends to be expensive and collectible. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a high-value car option.
A trade-in credit is supposed to lower the sales tax you pay when you trade in your old car. The host is saying Ohio’s rules are unfavorable, so used cars may not count for the credit the way people expect.
Car
Rolls Royces
Rolls-Royce is a luxury car brand. The idea here is that people who own them usually take better care of them, including paying for service, which can help the car stay in good shape.
The BMW 6 Series is a luxury car meant for comfortable, long-distance driving. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because owning one can come with expensive maintenance. That’s why it comes up in a conversation about costs.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a sporty American car that’s usually built for strong acceleration. People often talk about it as a “muscle car” because of its performance focus. It comes up a lot in conversations comparing classic-style performance cars.
“997 turbo” is a Porsche 911 Turbo from a specific generation. It’s a fast, turbocharged 911, and the speaker later talks about cool factory options on it.
“Factory GT3 wheels” means wheels that came from the Porsche GT3 lineup (or are specified as such by Porsche). Using GT3 wheels on a different model is a common enthusiast move to get a more track-focused look and fitment.
The Audi S3 is a sporty version of a smaller Audi model. It’s meant to be faster and more performance-focused than the regular version. In the podcast, it’s brought up as a possible identification that didn’t match.
A Dodge Ram is a big pickup truck. Here it’s mentioned as an example of a common “look” people associate with certain stereotypes—like when it’s lifted.
The Hummer H1 is a very big, rugged SUV that looks like it was built for military use. In the conversation, it’s just an example of a stereotypical “look.”
The Dodge Viper is a loud, high-performance sports car. The host is mentioning it as another example in a stereotype list, not as a technical deep dive.
The Hyundai Elantra N is a sportier Elantra made by Hyundai’s performance team. The discussion here is mostly about the “N” lettering on a plate and how it connects to that model identity.
Term
smog less
“Smog less” is the host’s guess at what the plate letters might mean—basically “less smog,” or cleaner emissions. They’re connecting it to California’s emissions rules and plate wording.
“Pre-smog” means the car is from an earlier time period, before stricter emissions rules were enforced. In this conversation, it’s part of the guessing game about what the plate is referencing.
The G-Class is a luxury SUV with a very recognizable, boxy shape. It’s designed to handle rough roads and off-road driving better than many regular SUVs. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it’s easy to identify by its look.
The GM EV1 was an early electric car from General Motors. The host is reacting to the idea that one could still have a license plate and be on the road, which feels surprising given how early it is.
2JZ is the name of a specific Toyota engine. People talk about it a lot because it’s strongly associated with the Toyota Supra and has a big enthusiast following.
An engine code is like a label for a specific engine type. It helps people know exactly which Toyota engine you’re talking about, not just the car model.
The Toyota Supra is a famous sports car from Japan with a big enthusiast following. Here they’re talking about the Supra in the context of an engine code and how they’d like one in stock form with a manual transmission.
The Ford F-150 is a large pickup truck. It’s built to carry things and handle everyday driving, and it’s one of the most common trucks on the road. It’s mentioned because it’s a very recognizable model when people compare car types.
This is a Porsche 911 called the Carrera S, from the 991 generation. It’s a rear-engine sports car that’s famous for handling and for being a “best balance” version of the 911.
“T5” tells you which engine version it is, and “Inscription” is a nicer trim level with more features. So it’s basically a specific version of the Volvo, not just the SUV name.
The BMW 5 Series is a luxury sedan, meaning it’s designed to be comfortable and nicer than a basic car. People often talk about it as a “typical” BMW because it’s a mainstream model in the lineup. It comes up in conversations about luxury car stereotypes.
The Dodge Charger is a car from Dodge that’s built for performance. It’s known for having strong engines and a bold look. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as a recognizable model people can identify quickly.
The Lamborghini Urus is a Lamborghini SUV, meaning it’s a luxury vehicle with a higher ride height. It’s designed to be both comfortable and very fast for an SUV. In the podcast, it’s mentioned mainly because the name is memorable.
Collision repairs are the fixes done after a crash. In this example, one car had $15,000 worth of crash repairs, which is why it would be worth less later.
A clean vehicle history refers to having no reported accidents or major damage in the vehicle’s records. In the segment, the hosts connect a clean history to higher resale value because it reduces buyer concerns and documentation risk.
Diminished value means your car can be worth less after an accident, even if it’s fixed perfectly. The reason is that buyers may still see the accident history and offer less money.
“24 hours of lemons” is a race where people compete in very cheap cars. It’s meant to be a cheaper way to get endurance racing experience, but it’s still a real 24-hour race with lots of strategy and reliability.
The Alpina B10 is a performance version of a luxury sedan. It’s tuned to be faster and more fun to drive than a standard model. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it was used in a race and did well in its class.
“Class B” is one of the race’s categories. Cars are sorted so teams compete against similar setups, and winning your class is still a big accomplishment.
HPDE means “High Performance Driver Education.” It’s a track day where you learn to drive faster with instruction, rather than racing other cars for position.
Skid recovery is what you do when your car starts sliding and you need to regain control. Drivers practice it so they know what the car feels like and how to respond.
Wheel-to-wheel experience is when you’re racing close to other cars, not just driving around the track alone. You have to react to what other drivers do in real time.
A driver change is when the person driving the car switches to someone else during the race. That can make the car behave differently, especially if the new driver is less experienced.
Pro race car drivers are professional competitors who race at a high level, typically with extensive coaching, data analysis, and consistent racecraft. Their presence in a mixed field changes how predictable traffic and passing will be.
The BMW E30 is an older BMW 3 Series that’s popular with enthusiasts and racers because it’s easy to modify. Here, they’re saying their E30 looked like it would be straightforward, but rust made the build much more expensive.
Rust repair means fixing areas where the metal has corroded. On a race car, it matters a lot because weak metal can fail under stress, and safety parts may not mount properly.
A roll cage is a reinforced metal frame installed in the cabin to protect occupants during crashes and to stiffen the chassis. The host describes building the cage and needing to repair rust and strengthen the chassis so the cage can be properly attached.
Penalty laps are punishments during a race for breaking the rules. In this case, the rules were strict about suspension changes, and teams could be forced to serve penalties.
S54 is a specific BMW engine that people often swap into other BMWs to make them stronger. The host is saying they didn’t do that swap, so their car stayed more stock than the competition.
A two-valve engine means each cylinder has fewer valves controlling airflow. That usually makes it harder for the engine to breathe at high revs, so it tends to make less power than engines with more valves per cylinder.
“Class A” is another race category with its own rules and typical level of competition. The host is basically saying it’s where you see more serious, faster cars rather than just show-and-theme entries.
“Class C” is another category in the racing event. The host is grouping the classes together to explain that each one feels different in terms of how people build and compete.
The Mazda MX-5 Miata is a small two-seat sports car. It’s made to be light and easy to drive, which helps it feel fun on winding roads. People also use it as a common reference car in enthusiast and track communities.
A fire bottle is a small extinguisher mounted in the car for racing. If something catches fire, it can be released fast to help stop the flames before they spread.
Dry brake fueling systems are a racing refueling setup that uses a quick-connect nozzle and a valve arrangement to minimize fuel spillage during pit stops. The goal is faster, cleaner refueling so pit stops can be very short.
Lap time is how long it takes a car to complete one circuit of the track. In racing, comparing lap times across cars and classes is a common way to judge pace and competitiveness.
Horsepower is a number that tells you how much “pull” the engine can make. When someone says “soaking wet,” they mean the real, practical version of that number—not a perfect lab condition.
“Aero” is how the car’s shape and add-on parts push air around. “Full aero” means it has a lot of those parts, usually to help the tires stick better in corners.
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Welcome to Switchcast season seven. I'm your host Doug Tabott here with my co-host Tyler
Sanders and this is absolutely my normal voice that I use every day talking to my wife this
summer. The blockbuster of the season. Two guys and a table. What's that comedian? Are
you referencing? No, I'm just referencing the commercial. There's Pedro Pedro something
I don't know. There's a comedian 20 years ago that was hilarious, obviously, but he
would do like mock. Is it Pablo Francisco? Yes, Pablo Francisco. Yes. And he did this mock
thing of like the movie voice guy could literally say everything and make it sound exciting. Two
men in a car driving in reverse. Come in. Show me what happens next this summer. But he like
his ability to do voices was wild. It's so good. So anyway, when you reminded me of that clip,
Switchcast is the podcast where we know what we're talking about, despite evidence to the
contrary, where we ask the questions that don't have answers and answer the questions that haven't
been asked. Switchcast is the automotive podcast is not just for car people and Switchcast is the
podcast where we do research in advance. We are not googling and checking AI for stuff while we
are discussing and speak for yourself. For the most part, for co-pilot is your
co-host. We're very confident in being wrong. No, but we prep. We do. We really prep. It is unscripted.
We're so behind it gives us the chance to prep. Yes. I mean, there's a lot of news stories this
week about AI and flock data and stuff like that. And we're into those stories, but we're not going
to cover them right away. We want to digest and read search some more and we'll come back well
prepared. Yeah, because honestly, flying off the handle doesn't usually yield good results,
unless you're just trying to stir the pot. Well, I say this, I'm tooting my own horn,
but to humble myself, I feel like we haven't done a mean tweet in a long time. And my biggest fan,
I'm saying that facetiously is back trolling my Instagram account like it's his job. And one of
the best ones, here we go. Oh my gosh. No, there's so many good ones. Here's one. Doug could never
become a, I feel like he doesn't have a cool voice. I see you've given him too much credit, I think.
Doug could never become a law enforcement officer. If he could, maybe he wouldn't have to shop at
thrift stores for his gay Michael Jackson outfits. What a prissy little nerd. Wow. So cool. Doug
drives real fast. So cool. As stated before, two bucks 50 cents in his silly little reckless
driving trophies. We'll get him a coffee at White Castle. Which he's like retooling the joke that
you say that like the cannonball record and it like, you know, four bucks will get you a coffee
at Duncan or whatever the heck, like your version of that. Like that's not,
honestly, that's got to just be like, what is that? Do they make it with like the,
the gristle from the, the, the cheeseburgers or something? Like it can't be good.
Here's another one. You post like 17 times on our Arkansas just cop,
maneuvers the wrong car one. All right. Another, another review of your host, Doug David here.
Wow, Doug, you're a great American. You really went all out on this A1. As I'm sure my tablet
could explain to you mistakes happen. What's going to be your encore? You're going to go to the VA
hospital and taunt the vets injured and friendly, friendly fire incense. When you're going to get
over the ticket you got back in ninth grade. Here's a programming idea for your little skit show.
Download a post exam and take on air. Certainly that would be interesting for your giant
Charlie Brown headed co-host and all 12 of your audience. Bet you can't pass it.
Holy moly.
Dude, he, he follows these. He follows my posts closer than actual fans. Like,
I think he has the notifications set up. So if you do enjoy this podcast and you disagree with
what Phil or boy said, please set up notifications so you know when a new video drops or new posts
subscribe to our Patreon. I'm sure he does because he wants all the inside information so he can make
fun of me even more. Yes, and like, share, subscribe, tell other people like this guy who will
comment incessantly on our posts and give us great engagement. Okay, warm up lap even though
we've kind of already warmed up. And speaking of Patreon, if you do subscribe to Patreon or if you
don't and you want to, we have exclusive discussions, a little less formal. Are we even,
are we close to formal on this podcast? I don't know. A little bit less structured, we'll say.
Anyway, our, our Patreon topic tonight is if you had a life restart, what automotive related job or
career would you have? That's our topic tonight. I should need to think about this a little more
than I thought. Whoops. Wait, I just, I got to point out Phil's comeback game. Were you reading
him interacting with the people that? Oh, yes. His comeback game is awesome. Someone said,
you're cognitively impaired, aren't you? And he said, are your balls impaired?
That's a best comeback. How do you respond to that? That's, yeah. Honestly, I think he just
torpedoes the whole conversation. I think he's just trolling for the love of the game. I don't
look up ad hominem in the thesaurus. It's that guy. Phil Makris is one of them. Yeah. He cannot
say anything other than every single person in the comment section. He's just calling names and
stuff like that. All right. Warm up lap. Here we go. Although we might have already lost control
on the out lap. We're off into the scenery. Speeding through the pits. What is fueling this
podcast, Tyler? I have on this week's episode of trying to clear out my whiskey cabinet,
we have 10 cup 14er. Barely know. This is a 14 year. I don't know why they call it 14er,
but it is a 14 year old 10 cup bourbon whiskey. Please don't ever use the joke barely know her
in the same vicinity of saying 14 year old. Well, that's, you know, good call, Doug.
Cheethan, can we get that in post? Doug, you're not drinking whiskey tonight, right?
Correct. I am drinking. I think this is a gift from our technical advisor,
I think it was our rent for the winter time. Yes. No, our insurance agent might be listening.
And Yeho tequila age for 12 months in Elmer tea, Lee bottles. So yeah, I like tequila more than
bourbon, but I like the different tequila is aged in bourbon barrels. So Scotch barrels too. Yep.
Had a couple of those. Yeah, good stuff. Oh, do I have to do an on air pop?
You don't really have to. You have a screw top. So well, I did do a pop, a slight pop,
because this is like a little tin cup shot last thing, but then there's a cork in there.
Oh, that's why they call it that. That's their little stick. What I like about tin cup is they
have a 10 year that is usually available everywhere. This 14 year old is called a 10 year 10 year.
This one is like more rare. I get like I've not ever seen it other than this one time,
but it's low proof. So it's easy to drink and doesn't get you super drunk. It's like 42%.
I could have guessed that if I had tasted it tonight, but
well, that's why I asked if you're going to have any.
Okay. Um, gee, the dealer who has what?
The dealer who has the mint green GT three that we've talked about forever predictably
is currently embroiled in quite a bit of controversy, notably shocked,
allegedly not delivering a title to a client more than 10 months after the deal. Whoa.
I found this on a social media post. It seems like a reputable person who posted it and a lot of
people know them. And there's a lot of other people that kind of corroborated that they had
also had problems with this dealer, but we don't trade in rumors. We're just saying this is what
we saw. But it tracks that somebody who is advertising this mint green GT three also
is sketchy. The dealership in question is motor cars of Chicago, not to be confused with Chicago
motor cars, although it's possible that they would like you to be confused with them because
Chicago motor cars has been around forever, has a great reputation. So maybe they're trading off of
that possible confusion. A cool product that I was made aware of. I don't know, Tyler, were you
on this chat? The Skechers Garage sneakers? I did see those. Yes. Yeah. So they remind me of that
crazy RV, the motor home that had like the garage in the bottom of it. I think I saw it on Top Gear,
it was like a TVR or something, but you know, you can put a tiny car between the wheels of the RV.
Skechers Garage. Yeah, so it's a sneaker that comes with a hot wheel in the soul of it.
We all have hot wheels in our soul. This is amazing. We didn't plan that line.
No, I have to say though, I wish they made these for adults. Like how cool would it be
to carry around a hot wheels car in your sneakers? I think we might be the only people who think
that's cool, but I'd do it. I'd probably do it. I would totally do it. Like you want to see my car.
It would also make me be taller because you'd have to have at least some lift in there.
There are platforms. Oh man, I spent some time in Maine this past week, and I thought that
I don't know why I thought this has never worked before. I thought that I would find
a car up there to buy or go look at. Like I just can't help myself. I go on a trip and I'm like,
ooh, can I find a car locally? Can I maybe drive it home? Whatever. It's a fun challenge. It's
never works in Maine. Here's why. Well, because isn't everything rusty up there?
Yes. Yes. And I even tell people that are looking at cars up there, especially old
muscle cars. I'm like, just don't bother. They're never as good as described. Yeah.
But it really is impossible. So I did a cars.com search and my only filters were year 2012 and
earlier. Any make and model and price above 10 grand. Okay. So anything over 10 grand 2012 and
before? Pretty broad. Pretty broad. Within 100 miles of this podcast, here in Ohio, there are 825
cars on cars.com that meet those criteria. In eastern Maine, within 100 miles, seven.
Was your mistake assuming that there are cars up there worth more than that?
Wow. Was it anything good? There was a newer Shelby GT 500 or yeah, like a 2011
and there was like a Mark III Toyota Supra for like 39 grand. Oh, is that that can't be how much
they are? I don't know. But yeah, there's there's there's not much up there. Slim peasy. I think
there was a I think I found a 986 Porsche Boxster on Marketplace. And that was that was it.
I did see at the grocery store this week a the like 2008, 2007 GT 500 convertible.
I'm like, that's somebody who like is asking for so much trouble. Yes, those cars did not handle
well. Like I that's a risky trip to the grocery store might might not make it.
Uh, remember how well, Phil Makers remembers remember how we made fun of a cop last week
for getting a bunch of black SUVs confused five in a row and he pulled over four of them. The GMC,
the Volkswagen, the Kia. Well, I was the almost victim of some serious road rage yesterday because
of what I think was the same mistaken identity or the guy was just high because it looked like he
could be stereotyping. You get a little bit of a waft. No, no waft or windows were closed. But
when you have a beat up Volkswagen wagon with lots of bumper stickers and you have long dreads.
I think there's there's clues pointing towards a conclusion. I've been in front of people at
Stoplates who were clearly enjoying some jazz cabbage and I could I didn't see it, but I could
smell it when I was in front of them. It was it's insane. Like if it's that bad, I don't think you
need to be I think at all you shouldn't be operating a motor vehicle under the influence.
Yeah, but so I was driving a black SUV and I think what happened was is honestly, I don't know.
I don't know. And here's what's what's confusing about it. So we had just passed a group of like
five cars and there was a Honda CRV in the left lane holding up all these cars, which by the way,
I did an anecdotal study in the last like three or four road trips I've taken. So probably 10,000
miles of observing which cars are most notorious for hogging the left lane. And I'm not saying just
like passing slowly and then getting over but like parked there forever, even if you flash your
lights at them, even if they get passed on the right, just like they're in the left lane forever.
I did not compare it to the production or how many of these cars are on the road. So it's not a
proper study, but there were definitely patterns. When you did it on the way to and from North
Carolina, I think that was one of the trips and to and from Maine. And that has caused CRVs are
frequent offender. Oh, okay. American cars, notably American pickup trucks. Yes.
All the time. And they do not move. I mean, there's definitely something in there,
the mentality thing. It's the, wasn't it also like, it's my right to be in the left lane.
Yeah, you shouldn't be going faster than this. Yeah, it's a freedom, but but not.
It's freedom and not courtesy. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And then wasn't it like Hyundai's and Kia's?
Well, I've noticed that one. Yes, but I feel like that's just because there's so many of
those on the road. Yeah. I said it was like low credit Asian cars. So Nissan Hyundai's and Kia's.
But yeah, that was that was true because this Honda CRV was holding up five people in the left
lane. So I passed them all not at a crazy rate of speed and then got back in the left lane,
didn't cut them off, nothing, just like I'm in the left lane, I pass a couple more people.
And then I see this white Volkswagen decide to do the same thing. And I was like, oh,
he must have got frustrated with being stuck behind them too. But like he keeps the accelerator
down and we're like a quarter mile ahead of him. And I just see him like coming up towards us at
probably 100 plus miles an hour. And I'm like, I don't, I don't think he's going to stop. Yeah.
And I was approaching. So I was like closing the gap. I was in the left lane coming up on
somebody in the right lane. And I'm like, he's going to try to shoot that gap. And I don't know
I was like, well, I'm not going to slam on my brakes and open the gap for him because if he is
thinking he's going to get over behind me. Yeah, like I'm just like, I'm going to keep
closing the gap and just finish my pass. He wasn't okay with that. So he literally came
in between us and was trying to split the lane and push both of us out of the way.
And so I like moved over a little bit onto the shoulder so he wouldn't hit me. And
so like he basically, I think he then got behind us and was on our butt. And then
we finished the pass. And I can't like, I don't remember all of it because it was just like
you're in fight or flight mode, essentially, because like it was like, it was like the
lemons race. Like we were so close. I'm like, he is probably within three inches of our bumper.
And that's like, you don't expect somebody to be making a new lane on the highway.
Like they are in a mental state that is unfit to be like whatever. So you're like,
then you go into protection mode, like for yourself, you're the people in the car.
Yeah. So I'm driving on the shoulder to not get hit by him. And then
like I get past the other car and he keeps like weaving around me and stuff. And then the lanes
actually split. It's a construction zone where like they split one goes over to the other
side. And so he comes around and it like guns it. And he's basically aiming straight for the
split. So if I maintain my place in my lane, I'm going to force him into the center. And
but he wasn't going to let me do that. So he basically just forced me off the road so that
he could make it to the lane split and get him in front of me. Okay. And I was just like,
what just happened? Like it was the craziest thing of road rage I've ever been a part of. And I'm
like, I'm I've never even seen your car before. Like I don't know. Was he like gesturing or
scree or anything to you? No. So he was just like, I'm mad. I'm gonna this is where I'm going.
I guess so. That's insane. But so we call the cops. We followed him for a little bit because we
were like, he was going the same way we were going. He got off at the same exit. And we got
next to him at a traffic light. And my wife rolled down the window to like yell at him and he
starts screaming at us. Yeah, how do you like getting break checked? That's what you did to me
or you know, something like that essentially like admitting retaliation for break checking him. And
you like went I was driving half a mile ahead of you. I've never seen your car before and you
came flying up and ran almost ran me in another car off the road. That's crazy out of the blue.
That is also so bold. I would assume this dude's got a gun or something like I don't know. Well,
yeah, and I was like, God, what if that I'm just I don't engage those people for a reason. Yeah,
like I don't know who's got what or is in what who like what bad day they're having and I don't
need to be on the other end of whatever it is, especially when he actively tried to run me off
the road and essentially almost pit me because he was like right at my rear corner. And so I'm
driving in my mirrors like trying to avoid him. Oh gosh, it was nuts. It was nuts. Let's see hot
take this week. Before we get into our main topic, I constantly espouse I think Dave Ramsey
on here. People probably think I'm a huge fanboy, but he was wrong. I think I think you're a huge
fanboy. He's right about a lot of things. I've been breaking him out of the Ramsey shell a little
bit. You've been you've been working them. So yeah, I've been whittling them down. I think there
are some good points. But I think the key thing to remember is that a lot of this stuff, as you
explained to me, is for people to get out of a bad situation. There is you don't always have to live
on ramen and black beans. Well, he doesn't he doesn't. Well, I'm being a slightly extreme.
People think that because they don't actually listen. You're in debt. Correct. I'm with Ramsey on
80 20 probably. Yeah, I was like that's where I'm at 95 until I read the John Bogle investing
book and then I'm like 88. Nice. I was what I wanted. That was what I wanted. But
he said he said to somebody that they were asking if they should take a 0% financing deal
because they're like, Oh, it's using other people's money. It's not really debt because it's
0% interest, which is not true. It's still debt. But his response was in the car world,
in order to get 0%, you have to pay sticker price.
And he he started that with I know about cars, which he says often right before he says something
wrong about cars. I feel like if you feel the need to say that, you probably don't have the
knowledge to back it up. But you think that you like have this experience. Like, what is he driving?
Like, doesn't he drive some like how home like? No, he has a Raptor and he has a like a C1 or
C2 Corvette. That's all I've heard stereotype. That's the vibe. But I think what the correct
statement, let me, can I guess? Can I try to guess the correct statement? You can only get 0%
financing if you pay enough for the dealer to make their markup or to make their profit.
0% financing typically is a manufacturer sponsored program. The dealer does not set the
interest rate or create the programs. They are selling third party financing,
including manufacturers financing. Typically, at least when I worked at a car dealer,
it was you the manufacturer would come out with a finance deal and a cash rebate. You couldn't
take both. Okay, because they're saying, well, in order for us not to charge 5% interest, it costs
us this much over the course of the loan. So we'll either give you a $5,000 cash rebate or 0%.
That is not always the case. But it is usually the case. So he was like, half right. But it,
but no, you don't have to pay sticker price. Like, if you know cars, at least know that
this is what the trade off actually is. It's like, sure, the dealer might not tell you about the
rebate. He might say, oh, no, it's you. There's no cash rebate, which is not legal to do,
but dealers do that crap all the time. I'm running the risk of getting us off topic when we've probably
been, you know, five laps into the track now. But are you anti-zero? We started the warm up lap,
and then we had cash, yellow, yellow flags, waiting, clearing debris, somebody else wrecked. So we're
just, are you anti-zero percent loan or financing on? So let's say, and I'm saying on anything,
whether it's a manufacturing rebate on a car, whether it's Best Buy on a TV, which you could,
well, actually, no, let's just do the car. Because with the TV, you could argue you shouldn't have
to finance that small. Okay. So the danger in smaller purchases with like the 90 days,
same as cash or the quote unquote free financing is that it is, it's just, it's the same as credit
card rewards. The house always wins. They've done studies and they've created these programs
such that they know people will trip up. So the 90 days, same as cash terms are typically like,
if you miss the payment by one day, it resets to 35% interest and it's retroactive. So it's like,
right, if you were not absolutely on top of it, then it could cost you a lot. And I'm like,
that's where Ramsey keeps saying like, I don't have the mental calories to burn for that kind of,
like how much are you saving? Yeah. And what are you going to do with that money that you're using
that's other people's money and that 0% are you going to invest it and make the spread?
But what if those investment goes wrong? Because that's the interest rate shouldn't matter.
Because to me, debt is risk. Yes. And if you do something else with that money,
you're putting it at risk. Even if people say, Oh, I put it in a high yield savings account,
there's no risk there. True. But there's the risk of you going, Oh, shoot, I need a new roof on my
house, I'm going to reach over and take that money, which actually has already been spent,
but you're not thinking about it. Yeah. And then you do it again,
and you have all of a sudden you have a mower and a side by side and pickup truck in an RV,
all at 0% and you wake up going, I can't make my payments. So I think it's dangerous.
From a purely mathematical standpoint,
sure, it's a win, but it's risky. For sure. Well, and I think you like everything else
with any type of financial risk, it takes some discipline as well. Or financial,
not like saving, it takes discipline. Like a lot of stuff, just like you can't do whatever you want.
Indeed. Indeed. All right. 0% financing is meretricious.
Dang, I didn't think it'd be two episodes to be able to use that word.
You've used it every episode.
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A speculator, automotive speculator, said something recently. I was touring his speculation
collection, and he said something that triggered me in a sense, and I think it's a good discussion.
What he said, he didn't say to me, he said it to somebody else who was trying to sell a car to.
He was saying how the previous person who had this facility, which was a gorgeous facility to
house cars, that guy would maintain his cars to a tee. He had mechanics on staff, and he would
no expense spared take care of his cars, because he planned to use them and he was a collector.
And he said, but these cars for me are investments, so I just do the bare minimum.
And I thought, I thought that is right there. That mentality is why people hate car flippers.
And I think rightly so, like I heard that and it just made me cringe. As a car person and as a
person who thinks like stuff needs to be taken care of, period, or it order tends to disorder,
the principle of entropy applies. I'm picturing this was said in a very braggadocious tone of
like, oh, this is how this is the secret. Because this is an investment, I don't want to put in
more than I have to, like was the vibe kind of, but it like, I mean, it's patently obvious. I don't
think it's a he was saying it to brag. I think he was just stating it as a fact. And it's true,
like his cars never get washed. They're all original. They're all low miles. He's very picky
about what he buys. But then everything is on 10 year old tires. The oil changes. The last oil
change was whenever they showed up. Yeah, they all have water spots. They were driven in the rain
and then parked. One of them had bird poop on the hood that has been there for who knows how many
years. Nice. I'm not that cargo was original paint that's going to need a need. And it just,
it really rubbed me the wrong way when he said that. And I was like, hold on a second, like,
I think this is a larger sentiment that is shared with more people that they look at
not just flippers, but car dealers probably as well. And think this is what's wrong with people
who see these as investments. When I think there's a good clarification to make is that some
flippers will do I guess what I would consider the more classical car flipping which is
buy as you put it a $5 bill that's a little tatty for maybe $3.50 put a dollar into it
to make it look a little better and then sell it for five. Like the our friend Julian does
this a lot he buys very he's buys cheaper like things from markets that don't really like
they don't perform well in he cleans him up puts him on the internet and things kind of
gangbusters but like he puts care into what he does he makes them better than they were when he
got them. Is that a consider is that just a type of flipper or because flipper I feel like is maybe
Julian don't be mad at me like I'm not trying to diss on what you do but like
that is kind of flipping isn't it. Yes. I think there's there's two schools of thought
and it depends why you were doing it. One school of thought is the more I put into this
the less not the less I'm going to get out of it but the less share of it will be profit
and if I can buy a car and do absolutely the bare minimum and just wait for the market to go up
I don't need to put any effort into it. Well that's true if the market's going to take it up
anyway you don't need to do anything to increase because like what our friend Julian does is
increase the value of the car. Right but as a car dealer and and I see this in in home flippers too
and this is probably why I would never buy a car I mean buy a house from a house flipper like if
if it's been flipped we know that they likely cheaped out on stuff but you there's kind of a
principle where you go well if we put five grand in service into it the customer will only pay us
two grand more than a comparable one and that's a customer's fault because they drive the price
down and as partly the internet too is customers go well I'm not giving you back the value that
put in that you put into I don't recognize that value I'd rather buy one that I have to put the
money into for the same price as the one that it's been put into so that's not the dealers or the
flippers fault that's a customer's fault often but I think there's also you know a company like
EAG who says hold on our our brand is more important I think that's where a long-term business versus
a flipper is different okay so for instance a home flipper is not known by their reputation
because they're not they don't have repeat customers hey well somebody buys a home they
don't buy one again for 20 years well they might tell their friends like don't buy from this guy
but it's like well how much does that actually do nothing yeah right but specular will be the same
way if if you're just buying a bunch of cars and then selling them when they go up in value
you're not necessarily concerned about your reputation especially if you're somebody that
nobody's ever heard of you don't have a brand but some dealers like EAG that's probably one of the
better examples of it say well if we gain a reputation for over servicing our cars then
we can actually start to charge more and so while it doesn't make sense in the short term they do
yes they do it makes sense in the long term because then they build up a brand awareness
so I think a short term versus long term thinking no that's very true and it's also I think
to your point I guess maybe exactly or said a different way it's you know making a business
versus taking advantage of an opportunity yes that has that you are not participating in
like you don't as we've talked time and time again cars going up in value is not I guess
now it's maybe a normal thing but like you can't it has become normalized for sure which
sucks but it's like you have to get lucky I guess unless you just have access to new GT3
allocations well don't say lucky because everybody that does it especially anybody that does it more
than once will say that they have excellent foresight and some people absolutely do or
they just stuff a warehouse full of 17 of the same thing like this particular guy and just
wait long enough and go well I'll just keep them until they are worth enough money to sell
and then it then it's the I knew one day this would work I'm a genius it's like there's no
but it would what about the opportunity it would be really great yeah it would be really great I
think that's why they don't service them though is that's a very big opportunity cost because if
if you see cars as an asset class you know art is reasonably easy I'm not going to say it's easy
but it's reasonably easy to store you don't have to maintain it if it's stored properly but there's
still some upkeep wine is reasonably easy to store stocks exist in the cyberspace you don't have to
easy and and so when people see tangible items that require a lot of care and feeding and actually
are designed to be used and they get not used but they want to see them as asset classes I think
that's what drives that mentality of well I'm not going to service it because this is an investment
because in theory he should be spending a couple thousand bucks a year on every single one of these
cars just to keep up with the bare minimum that they need to to just exist and he's not doing any of
that yeah which means that in the other part that's very annoying is that this a buyer is inevitably
going to pay top dollar for one of these top dollar ish because low mile goods back whatever
and then they're going to need to put all of this money in it making it even more expensive
and then they're going to want inevitably want even more money to sell it so things are like the
low mile stuff is going to like perpetuate itself there comes a point where in there where it's
actually bad for these cars to sit to like a couple years probably no big deal they're not
being subjected to extreme temperatures and they're not being used on the track so like
you know proper storage is pretty good for cars it allows them to not wear out but after a certain
amount of time not exercising them at all and especially not cleaning them like there there
comes a point where they actually start to deteriorate and you're doing more harm than
anything you're not even maintaining status quo like the seals are starting to dry out the water
spots on the paint is starting to etch it and they're actually hurting your investment by not
maintaining it anyway I I think that philosophy is what is wrong with a lot of seeing these cars
as investments because people go well I don't want to do anything to them because I'm spending my
equity I'm taking away from my potential return which is just like please for the love of God
just go somewhere else like I'm it's I will say though it's not always the flippers sometimes
it's just bad owners for example that's a totally different thing yes I mean wouldn't want
to buy a car from either of them but yeah I I recently bought a v12 Vantage Aston Martin
hmm yes and the guy that I almost bought it from but didn't because he sold it to somebody else I
bought it from that person but I was trying to get service information from the guy who had it and
he had it for like eight months not I don't think he intended to be a flipper but whatever
it's an opportunist and I was like hey this car is misfiring it showed up with a check engine light
we want to service this thing I need to know what was done he's like oh man I paid a guy we did
everything anything that need done open checkbook whatever I finally got the receipt they replaced
his spark plugs that was it not even the coils on a v12 Aston Martin that's known for needing
plugs and coils at the 12 year mark slash 20,000 miles and if you don't do them it can screw up
the catalytic converters which then because of the valve timing overlap the catalytic converter
material can get sucked back into the engine whoa and then bore score the engine so not doing the
coils can potentially screw up your engine and he's going yeah I did everything it needed
everything send it to the best guy I'm like dude you did spark plugs that's like changing oil and
not the filter yeah no honestly yeah so I was thinking about that and I'm like that
concept this whole discussion reinforces the notion of buy the owner not the car but the
problem is that owners are very good at being misleading so unless you're a perfect judge of
character you should still buy the car not the owner because good owners can have bad cars and
bad owners can have good cars you have to be able to sift through yeah actual details of the car
to figure out if they were a good owner or not not take their word for it well yeah maybe that's
the keys you still have to buy the owner not the car but you need to verify the owner somehow
sure or validate that they are who they say they are they've taken care of it like they say they've
taken care of it that kind of stuff which is that goes back to your buying the car not the owner
I guess I don't know are you a better judge of character or better judge of cars you have to
figure out which you're better at vetting yeah then do that but this whole thing too I think is a
good follow-up on our discussion of who wins and who loses in the market that that is appreciating
and I left out two winners okay so this actually pretty much directly contradicts what we just
said about investors speculators not wanting to spend money on their cars because they're
spending their equity but when cars are going up in value by this much owners are much more
prone to spending money on things like ceramic coating and PPF and stuff like that because
if you buy a brand new Porsche and it's going to go down in value by 50 grand in the next three
years you don't want to spend eight grand on protecting the paint yeah but if you think it's
going to go up in value and you can kind of get that money back it's like spending free money so
I think all the the independent shops and kind of that that industry that supports cars really
thrives in a market where people are retaining equity in their cars because the average person
not necessarily the flipper but the average person is like oh yeah 10 grand on whatever radar system
polish ceramic coating no big deal I'll get that back but it's a lot harder to do that when your
car is depreciating yeah and
the other big winner is the government which we did mention but I didn't expand on taxes
yes but not just any old taxes but you have sales tax which in some states there's no sales
tax credit for trade so every time one of these cars trades hands add an inflated value that
states get full sales tax on that new value yeah all over again unless you title it Montana
and then the IRS disallowed the 1031 like kind exchange like the deferment on capital gains tax
on cars like a long time ago so you can do it for like investment properties
um so if you sell a property if you spend that money again within a certain amount of time
you don't have to pay the capital gains now you still have to pay it later like you're kicking
the can down the road but you're at least deferring it but with cars you can't do that so I'm as a guy
without a fleet of high dollar cars I'm okay with anything that is in place or not in place to make
harder to treat a car like an asset so I'm cool with it is I cool with the tax I it's a fact of
it's an unfortunate fact of life at least this summer we get to see where all of it's going
because every friggin road around here is under construction for the whole summer that is not
capital gains tax I know I know but honestly this might be a bad take but I'm just so exhausted
by the the money situation in cars that I think it's any friction for these just becoming an asset
class for the super wealthy I'm cool with okay but I'm not super wealthy if I want to take my
Diablo now there it's debatable whether or not I would have to pay capital gains tax because I
actually use and drove the car whatever that's a discussion for CPA but if I wanted to just trade
for another car like an XJ220 even they're both worth the same I'm not coming out ahead I'm not
gaining anything I'm trading I would have to pay the state of Ohio another 35 thousand dollars
to make the trade and the IRS probably you know would want uh tax capital gains tax 15
percent on whatever that delta is between what I paid for it and what the theoretical value of the
trade is even though I didn't cash out yeah there was no gain I literally just traded like for like
there'd be two different tax agencies coming after me going I need 35 grand I need 100 grand
I mean have I obviously have a problem with the trade-in thing because that
that is a state of Ohio kind of BS thing that they pastored in past forever ago where used cars
don't count for the trade-in credit but also I mean I guess I just I'm I'm tired Doug I'm tired
of cars always being about the money rather than what they should be well when cars depreciate
extensively like Rolls Royces those are the ones that get serviced the best back to our original
theory when it's not about the money it's not about the money yeah yeah well but still painful
though speaking of my E 63 which is depreciating and now has a massive service bill anyway uh
on to bigger and better more exciting things plate two sample game which is where we read
off a vanity plate and the co-host has to guess what kind of car that plate is on based on the
stereotype of the owner and what they're trying to say about themselves with their vanity plate
because let's be honest that's what vanity plates are for vanity people want us to know something
about them whether it's their incredible wit or the fact that they have seven children or have
never been married or paid cash for their car which a lot of times we verify that they haven't
actually who knows whatever it is so it's usually not incredible wit we get a lot of great
submissions all of my plates are incredible wit all of your personal vanity yes yes yes
sure get car on the Lambo yeah that's good okay so first one I think this was on a P car
market auction or something I love the plate so I downloaded it maybe let's bring a trailer
I don't remember it was on an auction the plate NKLEAR nuclear um this is like some
a hot Camaro or something nope well it's not going to be nuclear powered this isn't fall out uh
is it like a turbine car or something no it's a turbo oh 997 turbo okay I mean that's a cool
plate doesn't say anything about the car but it's a cool plate I mean I think it's just saying like
it's nuclear like that's a saying of like it's just got tons of power so you have a twin turbo
Metzger it's like this thing is nuclear I think that's what they're getting at so I like it I dig it
and the spec is awesome it's uh I think cobalt blue and it's got the factory gt3 wheels on the
turbo and ceramic brakes so it's nice hot nicely a million dollars probably a one of one okay uh
first up for you Doug from Sean Lafferty on Instagram insecure with a three
nsec ur3 insecure I mean is it an Audi s3 no it is not I didn't think so but you threw me off
with a three I feel like it's a car that's stereotypically driven by somebody who would be
insecure like a lifted Dodge Ram or a Hummer H1 or Dodge Viper none of those um Ferrari negative
the way all meet the stereotypes but this is the the the spelling of this is very important
ns3 ns3 no ns e c ur3 see it is a Hyundai Elantra n
it's literally the first letter it's not but the spell is part of the spelling it's important
ah
Doug hated it I'm insecure about that plate
well what's next oh my turn yeah I was so defeated by that one and demoralized and
everything California whatever the heck you like to say no I I was I was innervated by that
oh okay discussion uh California plate smog ls smog ls so it could be smog less
could be yeah or it could be an ls that was smogged could be yeah there's yeah um I'm gonna
guess it's like an old Mercedes no uh an old 911 no you got the old part right
so it's pre I guess so the pre smog is is correct it's important no I didn't say it was
pre smog it says old and it's important that's a California plate uh is it like an old G wagon
you're on the right track with the G is it I already said old 911 um
what not what it's a GM EV one oh yeah like a plated yeah I didn't think that was good
what I didn't think that could be plated anymore like I didn't think any of them ran
that's crazy well this is uh the sticker on it is 1998 oh what you what all right I don't
know if that counts we're gonna I'm gonna need to take us to the board of directors
I am the board of directors Ethan the committee to decide on committees is now in session
all right next up for you from Carson D on Instagram 2JC
2JC 2JC is an engine code 2JC Japanese 2JZ sorry 2JZ is a Toyota engine right yep
is a Toyota Supra it is a mark for Toyota Supra with an exhaust tip that is a heart
I want a mark for Toyota Supra
anyway they are I think they look amazing I would love just like a stock one with I know
they're apparently not very good stock but like I want no they're great stock stock with a stick
yep green oh god the dark green this one's on vanity of main Instagram because you know
I was in Maine this week um thanks wife
it's Corvette
well it's like an F-150 no uh
is it like a an IROC Camaro no stop stereotyping Mainers bro that's the whole point it's a
Porsche 991 Carrera S nice it's the probably the only one in Maine it's I mean legit but
look this whole game is about stereotypes Doug next up for you big tree JG on Instagram
law diva oh I thought the plate was big I've had so many good plates submitted on Instagram so
thanks to all of you who've done so um also so many good ones through switchcast.live so we're
flush with good plates but don't stop sending them and it was a play diva LAW DIVA that's a red
Mercedes C class you have one of those three things correct it's red that is not the one
it's a Mercedes yes because it can't be a C class and not a Mercedes uh Mercedes S class
now it is E class yes it is a white E 300 them attorneys love their Mercedes they do
uh this one from Newburn North Carolina John Belk love the show cheers this one is OMG just go
um OMG just go is it an Audi like an A5 or something Q5 Q5 yeah yeah that's that's a
nice uh another one from big tree uh JG on Instagram he sent two diva plates so this one's
diva HR oh um so if a Mercedes E class is a law diva what's an HR BMW 5 series negative Volvo
negative XC90 negative T5 inscription package you're just still still wrong it's just committing
to my error it is a uh it's a Nissan Ultima oh that as far as I know they don't pay folks in HR
as much as they pay lawyers yeah but you can get a base BMW on payments pretty easy um
but you shouldn't be a diva in in HR those two things don't honestly no that's a good point
that should be in the job description you can't be HR is literally a job to deal with the divas
that you're working place the call is coming from inside the house uh last one from Dave Marr
who found this one on Instagram uh let's see the original poster is the crystal and Montana plate
if that helps you out at all Uranus
trying to think there's got to be a
it's got to be another there's this kind of it's like a Neptune
I don't know I thought there was like a car with a planet name but I can't think of anything Saturn
oh yeah there was a who embarrassing um I didn't get that far into the I was
getting closer to the sun but I hadn't quite gotten to Saturn yet uh here's a clue okay their
caption was well I didn't get up yours but I got this gem and it's just as good
oh um just like a this is dodge charger no I didn't get up yours
oh it's a it's an oris yeah hence Uranus an urus so Uranus it's an so it's a it's an ass just like
every single urus owner hey now hey now I don't know Ethan you're gonna have to bleep that
sweet that's why I paused for so long I was like am I gonna fire for this
um all right Jim R from switchcast dot live this is an Ohio plate I dream for
I dream for mm-hmm what does he dream for that's that car million dollar question
to the Corvette it is it is a red c6 convertible it's not like carmine red it's looks like just
normal man I can't hate I dreamed for a Corvette c5 for most of my childhood well no I dream for a
viper and then realize that I it's a good thing I woke up from that dream well you had to you
keep falling back asleep and having the same dream though yeah yeah I mean somebody wants a new
Corvette you can't hate you just got to appreciate yeah that's all right what I'm pretty sure I've
seen that before I can't be Ethan gave me a shrug is that like a three and a half
maybe a four
the show is not scripted I swear it's it's just that bad you don't need to swear that no one's doubting
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is not necessarily cheap because i don't think any type of racing is cheap is it the best budget way
for racing slash track time like is it better to do this versus like doing hp d hp de with
like your Porsche club or something well better i don't know i like i think there's a
there's a tiered way to get into driving period an hp de with pca despite the fact that they have
instructors is not going to teach you how to drive really well because in order and and racing
lemons isn't either like it might hone your reactions and it might give you kind of like a
really fast learning curve to a point but it doesn't teach you the fundamentals that you
need to know that the only way to learn threshold braking is to lock up your front brakes and go
okay there's the line i crossed it now i know how to get right to the line the only way to
learn skid recovery is to go into a skid um the only way to know when your car is going to lose
control is to lose control of your car and then you go okay here's what it feels like
moving up to that well which is just pretty analogous to life in general and so it's a
thing i had to learn coming out of college that the best way and sometimes the only way to learn
is by failing yeah because you know you learn so much of what not to do when you fail similarly
to a car you you know what that feels like so you're like okay i'm gonna you see the signs leading
up to it and go okay you can start thinking a little bit further into the future yes and
here's how to react because here's what i did do or didn't do yes and and and lemons is is great
for that because when i started racing lemons i had tons and tons of on track experience but
almost no wheel to wheel experience so it was like it was good that i had that foundation
so that i knew what to do with the car when i was inches away from somebody else but then it was
whole different learning curve of having to predict how people would respond and you're
out there for three hours at a time one car you might say oh man this guy's really good he must
be a pro i can i can predict exactly what he's going to do and then three laps later that same
car is all over the place because they went in did a driver change and and you didn't notice but
newbie and all of a sudden he's running you off the track so yeah i mean that's that's one of the
craziest things about lemons is it's kind of the joke race series you know it's it's
like a lark but it's really not because you have a combination of complete noobs and then people who
are coming in from a er from champ car from other series you even have actual pro race car drivers
running in lemons uh randy popes for one he's he runs it quite a lot and then you have a lot
of like programs scca racers and stuff like that so you get the runs the whole gamut of drivers
and so you learn very quickly how to kind of predict and how to learn what other people are
going to do um but i think one of the biggest takeaways is buy a car that's already done that
was the first big lesson instead of yeah because when we won class b we sold our car which needed
to be sold it was tired like it was done but um then we started with a bmwe 30 which should be easy
but it wasn't because there's rust everywhere so when we started building the cage it was like we
got to do all this rust repair and basically like strengthen the chassis properly so that we can attach
the cage to it and that those costs spiraled out of control and literally we're paying for
everything brand new and we get like 15 grand into it and we see a better prepped car online for
sale for like eight grand it has everything all done and it's all set up we're like ah crap so we
finally get it done and get back into lemons and our kind of slow class b car was typically a top
10 finisher overall and we go out in our bmw thinking like all right yeah we're gonna be competitive
all of a sudden like we couldn't even compete in class b because the cars had gotten that much
faster and a lot of the cars we were racing against had gotten new motors more suspension
wider tires like they had just cheated them up and the whole like everything had just moved up
to the point where they were allowing more so they even said after our first race you guys can do
coilovers which previously was like unheard of you'd get penalty laps for cheating up your
suspension they're like yep just just do coilovers okay so you didn't like do an engine swap and
put like an s54 in it right this bone stock 150 or 250,000 mile 325 like two valve engine like it's
nothing horsepower i think 160 stock it's probably 130 or 120 now so nothing cheated up about the car
and that was one of the things we learned is like you kind of have to cheat it up to even
be competitive in class a classy is like the any man's game that's more about the costumes and the
outfit and the theme and whatever like there's crown vixen and polas and just moving shoes in class
c but class a is actual competitive racing where you see a lot of cars that come in they literally
have miata spec stickers on them eight er stickers okay yeah they're coming in from other serious
classes the safety part of it has increased the expense a lot so as we've gone along they've said
every car has to have a fire bottle every car has to have a fuel cell in order to be competitive on
your fueling a lot of cars are using dry brake fueling systems so their pit stops are literally
like under two minutes for filling 25 gallons and doing a driver change okay so dry brake
fueling work it's like is that like normal race car feeling uh it's yeah like actual race cars
that you see like yeah scar basically so they just have a safety valve in the tank and in the
can so you can just turn it upside down jam it in they have like 34 inch venting tubes
so you can pour i think five gallons in four seconds or something like that it's it's like two
gallons a second basically i mean i know like race car feeling is bananas i just have never thought
about how it well people are doing that in lemons that's crazy right feels a little ridiculous
we don't do that we have regular jugs and it takes us four and a half minutes to do a pit stop
yeah to put 16 gallons in and do a driver change so we're still doing it normal and that puts us
kind of outclassed a little bit but here's how we won so last year we ran ncm which is a horsepower
track we were 32nd fastest by lap time so there are 31 cars out there there were faster than us
by lap time including class c cars and we're class a car we had no hope of winning that race
we finished eighth overall because we just kept turning laps and one of the things we learned is
okay our car isn't cheaty it's not fast but the more you cheat your car up and this is
like a basic principle of lemons the more likely it is to break oh so yeah if your car is cheaty
and reliable you'll win but most of them aren't because they've got stuff on them that wasn't
supposed to be there in the first place and they're taking old slow cars and making them go really
fast and they've got tired suspension components and tired other stuff and eventually just everything
breaks so that played in our favor this time so we were it was a smaller field there's only 36
cars which helped it was our home track and it was not a horsepower track it was nelson ledges so
there's basically two straights one of them's fairly short we never get into fifth gear which
is good for us yeah 130 horsepower soaking wet and it's just a lot of corners and there's cars out
there with full aero and stuff and you know again wider rubber we're running 205s so we didn't have
a huge advantage there we were I think 12th fastest lap time so barely in the top third of
yeah fast cars around the track but we've had a team for more than 10 years it's the same team
we all know each other we communicate well we have certain expectations everybody's humble
we know who's fast who's slow who's better at avoiding the red mist who can drive three hours
without a red flag who can preserve the car who can't and kind of and we're all honest about that
and we say okay well this person needs to drive this stint there's no hard feelings and you know
we're not competing against each other we've found a solid team and we work together I think
that's really key for doing this stuff because you can get a hero driver in there but then they
go out and they're trying to set a lap record their ego gets to them they're going for pass they don't
need because it's not for a position it's lap traffic and then they wreck the car and then
everybody's out the whole weekend so we don't have any of that although I'd probably be the
guy that would wreck the car going for a pass you're looking around to be like I don't see anybody
around me that would do that and uh but we all went out and none of us got a single black flag
the faster cars just kept breaking and at the end of the first day we found ourselves in first
place with like a seven lap lead which isn't much on Nelson ledges because they're minute 20 laps
but we held it together on the second day and managed to again stay out of trouble we knew
what we had to do we didn't have to go set any super fast laps we just had to run consistently
reasonably fast we gave a few laps back with our slower driver to one of the the team in second
place but we kind of knew their strategy we're like listen it's we just have to not screw up
and we didn't make any contact didn't get any black flags and just kept turning laps
so like that's that's how you have to do it that's not going to win it every time but
well in order to have a chance you have to finish exactly and that's like how every
long like every real race team as far as I know does their strategies you have to like there's a
level of conserving until the end of the race and along endurance race yes so yep yep you have
to drive fast and conserve but it was not without its adventure uh the last driver change for the
last driving stint were in first we were only up by four laps so like five minutes so basically
anything goes wrong and we've given up first place we get one black flag that's enough for them to
catch us uh the car comes in the battery is smoking not usually a good sign not usually a
good sign so of course the car wouldn't restart so we're in hot pits I'm in the driver's seat
after we fueled and the car won't restart so they try to give me a friggin bump start down pit lane
yeah it won't stay running because the battery is so friggin cooked that it just as soon as it
starts running it shuts down okay so we finally decided we have a separate switch for the charging
system why I don't know but we do so we shut that off and gave it one more try and it stayed running
so we were able we had to literally put I probably eight tries to bump start this thing start went
down start went down we're like going all the way around friggin the the the paddock and like we're
in first place right all we gotta do is finish this driver change and I gotta not screw up for
two and a half hours and our car friggin won't start again and we're thinking like we're done
so it finally starts and stays running and I'm like I'm not flipping that switch back like
we're just gonna hope it the battery has enough because there's not really much running off the
battery like we can run for a while and so I get back out still in first I chase the car down that's
in second place I don't know how much we've given up at this point I assume we've probably given up
one or two laps because of the pit stop and this resulting snafu so I'm like we might only be a
lap up so I chase the second place car down and I lap them three times over the course of the next
hour okay and so then I'm like all right I think we have some buffer and I turn the alternator back
on and then I'd basically just eased off because at that point I had to just coach myself and say
the only person you're racing now is you yeah everybody else's lap traffic everybody else can
only screw it up like there's no one pass that does anything for you but it could take the win
away from you and so it was literally just like every lap coaching myself get the car home get
yourself home you're only racing against yourself which worked which worked until the last five to
ten laps the Mustangs I must say we're earning their stereotype oh there was two Mustangs running
this weekend one of them was a fox body the poor crowd the it was like all the drivers were the
same in this fox buddy they were all over the track they were using all of the track unpredictably
they were super fast on the straights and parked it in the corners but they were blocking and going
all around the tracks so nobody could get around them so they're holding freaking everybody up and
then drag racing them on the two straights holding them up drag racing them on the two straights and
you know that they probably thought that that was a good strategy they probably thought they were
awesome drivers but there is some courtesy in racing where it's like when you know your lap
traffic like especially at the end of the race somebody else might be fighting for an actual
position and you're not to try to race that person is really really arrogant and I ran into that
because the last 10 laps I was stuck behind like 2008 Mustang and he was wicked fast on the straights
and really fast in the corners and I like flew up on him because he was in some other traffic
and I'm like okay whatever I'll get by him 10 laps I could not pass him because he would
actively block me he would take the outside he take the inside wherever I tried to go I'd like
put my nose in and be like okay we've got a long corner I'm just going to pass you on the inside
he would then just come in and push me out and then he drag race he pull away down the straights
who would take me like two corners to catch him I literally like tried to touch his rear end I was
that close to him coming up on his rear every lap though I'm going he's not your problem at the end
of the day you're gonna win the race and he's not and it doesn't matter but I was just so fast I'm
like I've got to get past this guy well I'm pretty sure there's rules in like IMSA and other like
actual racing series okay that was in other like professional racing series is what I should have
said where you're not allowed to block like that isn't because it is like unsportsman like
there's racing blocking and there's actual blocking well and that's like you're not allowed
to if somebody has a better like run onto a straight or took a better line or like has their nose
in on a corner you're not allowed to shut the door and like potentially run them off the track
like you'll get a penalty for that you can I there's a difference between shutting the door
and blocking yeah I would say in going into the corners because I wasn't dive bombing him I couldn't
dive bomb him because he was so far ahead on the straights it would take me two corners to catch
him and the way that Nelson's lined up there's not any like short straights really that you can
like get a run out from one corner and dive bomb to the next it's kind of like linked corners so
there was at no point where I like had the quote unquote racing position where I had my nose
past his door and I could say this is my corner so but he was moving aggressively both directions
in order to block me and it's like one is okay too what was I think Max Verstappen said about the guy
that he put into the wall like you move left fine you move right you're gonna find out
so and that was like if I basically was like if I wasn't winning the race I would have pit the guy
on purpose because I was so annoyed and he was holding up so many people and just
drag racing down the straights thinking I'm awesome and he wasn't and I'm like I wasn't mad I didn't
care because we won the race but I wanted to go up to him after and just be like you know you might
learn something from letting somebody who's winning the race and is obviously faster than
you in the corners go buy you like that's what you do in track days in hpdes if you have any sense
you go oh this guy's really quick in the corners I wonder what he's doing that makes him better than
me so you let them buy and then you follow their line but no he had to keep me behind him just
some people like to think they're really good they like to be big fish in little pond they don't
like to be they don't like to learn well winning lemons is big fish but keeping the race winner
behind you is it's bigger fish in a much smaller but it had to be the mustangs it had to be the
mustangs so I will say this too so we got away with a black flag I got away with a black flag
because I was passing the crown Vic and they pushed me like off the outside of a corner and
this was my first stint so we weren't in the lead yet and so I was like still pushing it really
really hard wasn't trying to preserve the car I was just trying to get in first and so I'm like
screw it I'm not giving up this pass so he pushes me to the outside and I'm like I'm just
going to throttle through and pass him with two off because it's straight it's decent grass it
wasn't wet I'm like I'll be fine but it was right in front of a flag station I was like well I wonder
if they're gonna black flag me for that it was only two off it was controlled so I came around the
next time I was like well see a flagger there came around the next time I'm like I think he's like
checking out his own car and I like kept checking over and over and I never got a black flag
and I kept checking and I'm like I drove for like an hour and never saw the dude in the flag station
oh so I went in and got out of the car and I went to the race officials I was like hey is
is there's somebody are they supposed to be manning that flag stand they're like yeah I'm
like well they're they're not like I don't want to be a snitch but like it's right before the carousel
and that's where a lot of people go off and like the whole point of flaggers is they're a safety
crew this is for our safety if you are not flagging and telling us of wrecks then that
could ruin a lot of people's day so it was just ironic because I went up and I was like yeah I'm
kind of glad he wasn't there don't ask me why I was checking there should really be somebody there
to keep an eye on these people going off the track right but now but now it's I feel so I got the
flag or black flag he got in trouble nice which he should have but I should have he should have
gotten me black flag been say you got black flag anyway that's how you win lemons find a good team
buy somebody else's car don't build your own and buy somebody else's car that was built well
and stay on the track keep running laps and don't get yourself in trouble avoid the red mist
anyway uh we didn't have any Corvettes on track at lemons there wasn't like a C5
there was no C5s but because there's no actual trophies out so why the Corvette
wasn't there but Hank is oh yes Hank is back from his car show tour with lots more trophies
and let me see here we've got Facebook marketplace Corvette buy sell trade
oh what a good group excellent excellent group of hanks
that's every guy's trying to sell his C8
I'll let you describe the photos Tyler when we're done here oh I'm excited trophy winning 2023 Corvette
Stingray convertible 3LT with arctic white exterior with adrenaline red dipped interior
this car has everything this car is certified one of one by the National Corvette Museum
the 3LT package comes fully loaded with premium infotainment and navigation system on a 12 inch
color touchscreen you do you have a color tv hank
this car includes a Bose sound system also the interior seats are the GT2 seats that are
the interior is a custom wrapped leather package well it was dipped before which one is it the
hard top is retractable and the mirrors are powered and heated there are cameras all around
yeah just like my community there are many extras that make this car one of one such as many carbon
fiber options carbon fiber rear spoiler carbon fiber side skirts carbon fiber front splitter
carbon fiber mirror covers and carbon fiber interior stealth interior trim the wheels are
upgraded to a 20 spoke midnight gray aluminum wheels with a red stripe this car has it all
you know it feels like this guy was trying to reach a word count in an essay
like repeating carbon fiber 12 times was not really necessary uh for those of you listening
this is a white C8 and every single photo they do the 9 uh the 9 11 target thing where the roof
is like stopped mid retract or or extend so it looks oh it looks so cool so like showing off
but there are like no joke there are oh 12344 so there's like
10 trophies i count 12 plus three plaques trophies and one of them is taller than dug
like my god hey this is i like this is insanity to me so i i i want to know if the trophies come
with the car i doubt it well and all and there's other photos in here that are like all edited
and make it look super epic but like the you know they do say the interior is dipped and a core memory
of mine is going to dare a queen after playing little leak and getting a dipped ice cream cone
and the like cherry crust or whatever that's what this looks like it looks fake so red
is that like ceramic coating paint and dip your leather oh i don't know what that means uh boomer
be boom and corvette er's be but betting as as normal the comments were uh bloodbath
like the interior
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Doug what is your pick of the week there were so many good ones when I stopped by for my weekly
two hour visit to the shop this week um there was a Volvo C30 white with a two tone tier six
speed manual that was hot there was a 2018 9-11 Carrera cabriolet with red full leather dipped
yes pretty seven speed manual 12 000 miles but my pick was a 1991 NSX red over ivory one owner
from new red tan 37 000 miles obviously a manual i thought you original window sticker full service
history don't you hate nsx's no tim nealy hates nsx's oh that's right i love that that's right sorry
about it still i will own one at some point unless i own a mark four supra first because
that's calling my name too okay flop of the week flops and props we each have one so you
get to tell us who came up with the better props and flops Tyler what is your flop of the week
my flop of the week is that Ethan is giving me the finger our camera is the flop of the week
we've been talking too much what is your flop Tyler Doug my flop of the week is that Ford
appears to be on the wrong side of right to repair oh i see what you did there
so there is an article here from car and driver entitled trump learns of right to repair battle
from ford and gm and ford ceo chris farley responds jim farley jim farley i see that's
embarrassing because everybody does that that's so hot god just shit me off i'm done son of a
any who jim farley responds in a way that i find jim really likes to tell people that he does
vintage racing he has classic cars like he is an enthusiast and i do believe that
but his response to the interview from the detroit free press when they asked him about this was
very nonsensical and i i i just believe that this is an angle to try to get you know some
level of additional work through ford dealerships in their service departments buying ford parts
there is an ad campaign that ford has recently or is currently running trying to drive people
no pun intended to the ford dealers to service even older vehicles so you got to follow the
money things feel a little weird but he's essentially saying that you shouldn't be servicing
newer cars at home because you need specialty equipment and it's dangerous and it's about
the safety of the people and it feels like a bunch of hogwash so for as much as i i appreciate
a lot of what ford and and what jim is doing this ain't it this is you should let people
you should provide people the ability to repair their things without going to you it's just like
something i will never not believe and i it bums me out to see that ford is in my opinion on the
side of this i have not formed a strong stance on the whole right to repair thing yet because i
think there's some confusing there's some things that need clarification both in the legislation
and and where the manufacturers stand i agree with it in principle um the right to repair aspect but
i i think there's important distinction on warranty repairs or repairs under warranty versus
after they're under warranty i do all the cars under warranty i don't it's pointless for anybody
to not work on their car and i think that's part of what farley is talking about is the warranty
period but there's a bigger problem in terms of the proprietary software that's required
that nobody else can work on the cars after they're under warranty like
i know and it's a tough one the warranty is an agreement that you know
it every agreement has two sides like i would expect that if your car's under warranty you're
going to have it serviced by the people who warranty it so they know what's going on that
seems reasonable entirely reasonable to me so you don't use crap oil and then your engine blows up
and they want them to fix like that's not that's not how it works a thing that is dangerous for
people to work on their own cars is and at the start of this there was allegedly some contact
from folks at ford and gm to the u.s. government to try to influence some legislation allegedly
from this car and driver article there's a bunch of details it's lobbyist lobbyist all the time
what i don't understand is the dealerships are not owned by ford and potentially maybe i don't
understand because i'm not done a study on this the share of parts of ford genuine parts
purchased by independent shops versus other oem aftermarket parts i don't understand why ford
would be pushing for this because they don't own the dealerships that are doing the service so it
would only be a parts thing unless i misunderstand how all of this works it just seems bizarre
well but they're still reimbursing the dealerships for warranty repairs
so they want that under their control obviously they want their dealerships to thrive as much
as possible so that's true it just feels because like john deere i think is a little at least i
believe i'm gonna start spouting off about things i don't know i believe john deere owns all the
dealerships like i don't think it's like the car dealer kind of thing so john deere is historically
awful in their approach to right to repair like farmers can't work on their tractors at all like
new tractors it's illegal for manufacturers to own dealerships in nearly every state farm equipment
and stuff no no no i or i don't know how that works but the the franchise laws in different states
there's we've talked about this before on the podcast the battle with um like people trying to
be able to sell cars either manufacturers selling directly to compete with like carvana and amazon
and kind of the way everything's going and a lot of states have franchise laws in place
that are essentially there because of the lobbyists for the new car dealers that are
you know want that to protect them so it's it's all political game but uh my flop of the week
is well it's it's both a flop and a prop because this might be the best headline i've ever seen
by car and driver but the flop is uh the 2026 lucid gravity which we've made fun of before
we said that the price on that that you know the name is unfortunate because the price is probably
going to drop like like it was affected by gravity but uh that is true car and driver headline 2026
lucid gravity available with no interest due to no interest so oh lucid is offering zero
percent financing for 72 months and a $10,000 credit on the 2026 gravity suv the deal covers lucid's
remaining 2026 gravity inventory which remains fairly robust ooh a robust inventory despite lucid
launching the 2027 model year several months ago i like the corporate speak of using a very positive
word to describe something not so positive yeah the lucid gravity is available at no interest
due to no interest i love it prop of the week tyler uh my prop of the week is that uh i
read an article on car expert dot com uh dot au about a study that has been done in japan
indicating that driving a manual transmission could help reduce dementia risk um the study
goes on to find i you know there's probably a bunch of details not working for me
it's what um that apparently driving a manual the the you know the the modulation of the throttle
the working of the clutch pedal the shifting of the gears like doing those tasks all at once work
a certain part of your brain that makes that is very good for you and continued use of this
can help keep your brain in tip top shape which uh you know i don't know i love that i'm going to
keep driving a stick i'll take that as justification for driving a stick uh and the mental superiority
i will absolutely lure that over other people yes my it takes more brain power for me to drive
i am smarter than you because i drive a stick i the book why we drive basically goes into that
well you need to embody cognition it's it's the joy that your your brain gets from your
body doing things well and i've talked to my fiance as well about we know there's certain risks that
you know in the family for things like dementia and i've asked her like how do you work against
that as much as you possibly can and it's critical thinking yes using your noggin my uh grandmother
lived to 102 years old she was a practicing bookkeeper until she was 90-ish and she did
crossword puzzles like till the day she died it's you just gotta find ways to use your noodle
yeah she also didn't drink alcohol ah crap well but my other grandmother is 98 and she drinks every
day i love the old dudes you'll occasionally and she is quite lucid whoa hey call back anyway
i love the old dudes that are like you got to drink a glass of whiskey and smoke a cigar every
day that's what i've done and i'm 105 i can't i can't all that can't be everything have that
lung cancer three times okay my flop of the week no prop my prop of the week uh this is not political
it just it is a thing because it was a thing that happened uh trump issues pardons for nine people
convicted of bypassing emissions controls or selling equipment to do so uh so basically the
the diesel tuners who quote unquote violated the clean air act uh in deleting uh likely def systems
okay which there's this guy william worm commented on the article and honestly this is also a car
and driver article um this is says it better than i could the the photo of the article is this
lifted truck driving down the sandy beach just blowing black smoke he says i love how they
chose to use a truck that is belching smoke the issue that the nine people were imprisoned for
had nothing to do with making a truck blow smoke it bypassed an emission system that caused the
truck to be disabled so if you like didn't add def at the right point or didn't add enough or
whatever it would just shut the vehicle down oh okay uh just because the system is bypassed
doesn't mean it instantly rolls coal come on phone work the odds are extremely high that you've
driven past many many deleter bypass diesel vehicles never even knew it the primary issue
issue is that the manufacturers are instituting quote unquote emission systems that will disable
a vehicle if not quote unquote properly maintained and that can happen anywhere while driving and
that is a safety issue also and a larger part of this is that we all know this 90s forward 73
diesels are worth a fortune now because they still run yeah even with like the new like 67
diesels or whatever it is are having problems before they reach a 100000 miles diesels are
new diesel since the death and the emissions stuff just blow up so the regulations that are
put in place by the government in order to theoretically save the planet from bad emissions
are causing a different kind of emissions because these engines keep needing replaced so then the
old engines have to go somewhere all those fluids all that metal all those seals and stuff
and then you have to put in new engines and produce new engines so
the the best thing you can do for the environment in my opinion is conservation build things that
will last and people deleting the emission systems are increasing the longevity of their trucks
they're fixing problems and that's why I think this is a huge problem it's not just on diesels
I think we talked earlier in the podcast about the Aston Martin v12's which have an issue with
the primary catalytic converter where that material can break up and get sucked back into the engine
and ruin the engine the catalytic converters literally possibly ruining the engine so I
have a v12 Aston Martin I'm like well I want to delete the primary catalytic converters in order to
save my engine that's good for the environment but I'm like well technically I'm breaking a federal
law in order to do that but I'm doing a good thing but it's illegal you're gonna kill the
environment without straight pipe Aston Martin no no I'm not so anyway prop uh to president
for that pardon of people that shouldn't have been in jail in the first place so tell us what
you think who had the better props and flops me or Tyler because it's always a competition it's always
for joining us for switch cast with Doug Tabott and Tyler Sanders produced by Ethan Huffnagle
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About this episode
SwitchCast opens with the hosts joking that they “know what we’re talking about” and that they do “research in advance.” The conversation then swings through used-car hunting in Maine, left-lane traffic habits, and a couple road-rage stories. The core theme lands on an investment mindset: “these cars for me are investments, so I just do the bare minimum,” which the hosts connect to why people hate car flippers and how skipped upkeep can still get expensive—especially when later buyers pay to fix what was neglected.
