NASCAR Fans Asked for This, SVG is Trouble, and Logano Wins | Stacking Pennies
Stacking Pennies with Corey LaJoie
NASCAR Fans Asked for This, SVG is Trouble, and Logano Wins | Stacking Pennies
Stacking Pennies with Corey LaJoie · Jul 20, 2026
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Person
Marcus Smith
Marcus Smith is a person involved in running and supporting motorsports. Here, the host credits him with helping restore a race track.
Company
Speedway motors
Speedway Motors is the motorsports organization mentioned here. The point is that it’s connected to efforts to bring a race track back.
Place
North Wilkesboro
North Wilkesboro is a famous NASCAR race track in North Carolina. Fans care about it because it’s an old-school track, and bringing it back means more racing at a classic venue.
Place
Rockingham
Rockingham is a well-known NASCAR race track in North Carolina. It’s one of the tracks people associate with classic stock-car racing.
Place
Hickory
Hickory is a North Carolina place that has a race track. The hosts are saying multiple tracks in the area got help to keep racing going.
Term
late models
“Late models” are a type of race car used on short tracks. They’re built specifically for racing and compete in organized series with rules.
Term
carbon seats
A “carbon seat” is a racing seat made from carbon fiber. It’s used because it can be very strong while also being lighter than many other seat materials.
Term
stage breaks
NASCAR races are divided into stages. At the end of each stage, drivers can earn points, and teams often change strategy around when the stage ends.
Term
lead lap
In NASCAR, cars can be on the same lap as the leader or one (or more) laps behind. Being on the lead lap usually means you’re in a better position to compete for the finish.
Term
speeding penalty
A speeding penalty in NASCAR typically occurs when a car exceeds the allowed speed in a controlled area, most often during pit road. The result can be losing track position and sometimes getting forced to serve time or go a lap down.
Term
pit cycle
The pit cycle is basically the timing of pit stops—who comes in and who comes out when. That timing can shuffle the order on track right after the stops.
Term
traffic
In NASCAR, “traffic” refers to slower cars that are not part of your immediate battle. Navigating traffic is crucial because it can determine whether you can maintain momentum, make passes, or get stuck behind cars at the wrong time.
Person
Coleman Presley
Coleman Presley is a NASCAR spotter. A spotter talks to the driver over the radio and helps them make better decisions during the race.
Term
racing IQ
“Racing IQ” just means how smart and quick a driver is at figuring out what the car needs while they’re racing. It’s about making good choices for setup and driving so the car stays fast over time.
Term
right front
“Right front” means the front tire on the right side of the car. On oval tracks, that tire often takes a lot of the work, so if it gets too hot or loses grip, the car’s handling changes.
Term
balance of the car
“Car balance” means how the car behaves in the turns—whether it feels like it wants to slide wide or turn in smoothly. Drivers and crews tweak the setup to make the handling feel right and consistent.
Term
slipping a tire
“Slipping a tire” means the tire isn’t gripping the track and starts to slide. When that happens, the car loses speed and feels less controllable, so drivers try to prevent it.
Term
15 laps from now
That’s the idea of thinking ahead during a race. Tires and handling change as you go, so the driver plans for how the car will feel many laps later, not just at the start of the run.
Term
next window
A “window” here means a planned stretch of the race where the car needs to be working well. The driver tries to set up the car’s handling so it’s good when that next phase arrives.
Term
V8 supercars
V8 Supercars is a major racing series in Australia. It’s known for fast, V8-powered race cars, and the driver’s experience there is being used as evidence of how quickly he can adapt to NASCAR-style racing.
Term
sway bars
Sway bars are parts that help keep the car from leaning too much in turns. In race cars, they’re important for predictable handling so the driver can control the car lap after lap.
Term
track bar
A track bar helps control the car’s suspension so the wheels stay positioned correctly as the car loads up in turns. Drivers feel the result as the car being more “loose” or “tight,” meaning easier or harder to rotate through corners.
Term
wheels are slipping
Wheel slip is when the tires don’t grip the track as well as they should. When that happens, the car can feel unpredictable, so racers and crews try to manage it with setup changes.
Term
tires are loaded
Tire loading is how hard the tires are being worked by the car’s weight and forces. More load usually means more grip up to a point, and racers try to keep the tires in the sweet spot.
Term
oval track racers
Oval track racers are people who mainly race on oval-shaped tracks. Those tracks demand a different driving feel than road courses, so the speaker is saying this driver’s skills transfer differently.
Brand
Toyotas
Toyota is the car brand being discussed. The speaker is saying Toyota cars seem to have an advantage right now because they’re gripping the track well.
Term
mechanical grip
Mechanical grip is how well the tires stick to the track because of the car’s setup and suspension. It’s the “natural” grip from the tires working, not grip created by downforce from wings or aero.
Term
driver service
In NASCAR, “driver service” is the crew job that helps the driver during the race. It’s mostly about doing small tasks fast while the car is in the pit lane or under specific race conditions.
Person
Tony Stewart
Tony Stewart is a well-known NASCAR driver. Here, the speaker mentions doing a crew job for him because Stewart was hurt.
Term
tear-offs
A “tear off” is a protective windshield cover NASCAR drivers use during the race. If it gets dirty, the crew rips it off so the driver can see better.
Place
Daytona
“Daytona” is a major NASCAR race track in Florida. It’s famous for fast racing, and the pit work has to be done very quickly.
Term
decal
A decal is basically a sticker or graphic you put on a vehicle. Racers use them for branding—like sponsors and team info.
Term
eyelashes
“Eyelashes” are small decorative pieces you stick on the front of the car, usually near the headlights. They look cool, but they can also make the front less aerodynamic.
Term
Draggy
“Draggy” means the car is more “air resistant,” like it pushes against the wind more than it should. That can hurt speed and make it use more fuel.
LIVE
Hey friends, welcome. Monday morning here in Nonsense Garage, Conqueror North Carolina.
Next to my buddy, Ryan Flores, breaking down a little Northwick's bro.
Lot of action.
Staggin' em deep, sellin' em cheap, and it tastes like gasoline, grubber, and victory.
Where's that here, Staggin' back?
That old gem cleaned up. It looked great.
I had a little bit of FOMO missing out.
You didn't even go.
What's boomin' great?
Yeah, talk about another gem.
Yeah, but yeah, I got my racetrack fixed there, but dude, Wilkesboro watching it last
night. It just looked like Marty Smith, and Jimmy Johnson, all those guys were having
a blast, and the track looked so cool. It's super photogenic, like the different angles
that you can get there.
Oh yeah.
It's unique to itself, and it's great to see it restored back to its former glory, man.
It was gone.
Well, first off, just round of applause. Marcus Smith, Speedway Motors, bringing that place
back. So after COVID, there was some sort of like bill, right? Remember that bill that
was granted to, like a relief bill, right? It gave some money to Sharpener Speedway,
gave somebody a rocking ham, gave some money in the tune, I think it was like 13 million
bucks or something to North Wilkesboro to bring that place back, and thank God for
COVID.
It gave it to every racetrack. So Rockingham, Hickory, like all the racetracks got some
Got a little bump, got a little something, something.
So yeah, it was.
And I'm sure that did cover.
Great to see it put the good use.
They put it to good use. Most of the time, that stuff is just new, you know, sprinkled
here, sprinkled there, but they put, I was looking at one of the overheads of just how
many lights they have there. I'm like, all the money went to just the lights, not repaving,
not the bathrooms. So that group did an unbelievable job because that racetrack now is the infrastructure
is nice. Camping is nice.
It was sold out. It's been sold out every time we go. How was it for the truck race
was it packed?
It was, yeah, it was packed.
It was way more than 12 people in the ground.
Hotter than hell, too. I can't believe it.
It was hot.
Yeah, it was hot.
It's a lot for people to go out, but it's they made it easy to get into and I like it's
way easier than Charlotte to get into and get out of. Now there's let it holds less
people.
Well, they've and I know it sucks getting stuck on the infield like if you wreck, but
everybody on the infield is getting paid to be there.
That's how you worry about the guy that pay to get there.
That's how every short track is, man. You crash. You're watching everybody else have
fun making circles.
That's it.
A lot of racing from the time, even what Thursday, car store races, Chase Elliott did the quadruple
header. I think he did every did he do every race this year?
Yeah, he did the pro pro late.
He did the cars tour late mall race for junior didn't have a great run there ran well decently
well in the truck race.
I don't know what happened to him there. And then I think he had a strong run last night.
No.
And your cars had a rough go.
It was the first time I think that I hear ever that since they've been a four car team
that Hendricks finished every lap down or worse.
Let's see where you.
Yeah, it was really bad.
Seventeen.
Well, what happened to was the first green flag cycle.
A bunch of the Hendricks cars pitted early.
Yeah. And 48.
48 came off the wall and spun out.
We could we could break that down here in a little bit.
But I think it was it was cool to watch.
So you've got to give Caden Honeycutt tip of the cat.
It was blazing hot on was that Thursday?
Car store races.
It was Friday. Thursday was practice qualifying Friday.
They said Caden threw up after the pro the pro race win.
They give his ride, you know, they give that the pro late car, the elevator ride.
And he's like throwing up off of the elevator like bad shape.
Drinking water can't keep it down.
So Lane Riggs was there just hanging out after truck practice.
And he was like in his suit ready to go to jump in 17 car
for the late mall race.
Caden Honeycutt said, no, man, that's my car.
Because I think so fast.
And he I think that he lead every lap almost.
And he was so yeah, Corey Haim got up to him.
And at the end, it was like looking like it was going to be good.
And he just like, no, I'll go now.
Shout out to Forest Reynolds.
Both those cars come out of his stable one and two.
The who got who finish out?
Corey. Yeah.
So Reynolds, race and chassis, those guys are all speaking of late models.
My damn carbon seat past the test last let's go.
So it passed 39 to spec fired up about that.
I've already got two of them sold, trying to refine,
figure out how to make some more of those in an efficient process.
They look sweet.
That's been a massive weight off my shoulders.
Now it's like, OK, now we can actually go and feel confident about
what we're putting out to the market.
So fire up about that.
I think you need to get a late model so you can go to do some R&D and be a writer.
Well, late models now are like a lot of money.
I like I would like to drive some.
Most things in racing are a lot of money.
You don't get on the other side of it driving cup cars when you get paid to do it.
I know it's different.
Dude, late but like late models now are really nice.
Like really, really nice.
You want to go see the 15 modified?
That thing's really nice too.
That thing's really nice too.
How'd you do on one side?
I run we qualified diesel.
We were second in practice at one point.
I think we were pretty good and it's qualifying.
There's pretty unique qualified 10th.
So in the first they have twin 25.
So the first one I just couldn't go anywhere.
I just kind of rode in 10th and then they redrew 14 for the second one.
And it started fifth, finished fourth.
Okay.
It was just a okay kind of base hit night.
We need to be a little bit better.
But it was cool to have such a safe pro on board and see everybody there.
It's a nice t-shirt.
Yeah, I got my safe pro t-shirt, man.
Is that the stuff you spray in your grill?
They have that.
But this is the industrial side that we use.
It's industrial degreaser.
So we use it at the powder coat shop to prep all of our stuff and
been given to the race teams to clean their race cars with.
Where does somebody go buy it?
You go to BrysonShops.com.
There you go.
It's on my Instagram.
But like all the dirt, we clean our race car with it because it's white and it's really nasty.
Brown hammer new.
It's way better than like a, it doesn't leave like a...
SD 20.
Well, SD 20 is brutal, but it doesn't leave like the, it doesn't stain your anodizing.
Yeah.
Like purple power or simple green.
It's the best.
It's the best stuff.
You need to go get this stuff.
Uh, so where do we want to go with this?
Let's just, let's talk about, so let's talk about your day in the truck race first.
So you guys had, you guys were colleagues actually, you know, struggling, obviously
struggling right now a little bit with the truck program, figuring it out.
Unloaded, didn't have a ton of speed.
None of us did.
Real bad.
Justin was okay.
Short runs and qualify 13th, but he came back there with us for the Ram race.
It was cool to see Newman back.
Did you see him after the race?
Yeah.
No, I left.
He's so dry.
Newman, he's like, they're like, did you have fun?
He's like, no.
Modified races, way more fun.
And those fun, those fun drives.
He was like, this isn't fun.
A truck that doesn't turn and doesn't have any forward drive is not fun.
It's not fun to drive.
It was, it was just a freaking war back there.
And I don't want to keep harping.
We don't have sims.
So more or less, you're kind of guessing at a setup.
You got to get in the trenches and just figure it out one brick at a time.
It's so hard, you know, and then once you figure something out,
you go to a totally different racetrack.
Yeah.
So we're going to R.P.
Another short track, which is close to the same.
That's a little bit the same.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So that gives me a ton of confidence that we're going to have,
have what it takes to go there.
But I do know this, everything that we ran this past week will not be in the
truck this week.
So at least we can rule some of it out.
Yeah.
Because there, there was a, all the trucks are different at the moment
because they haven't had time to build new trucks.
There's been a new truck sprinkled in here and there, right?
Brendan, who I think Brendan has done a great job maximizing.
He'll take.
Butterbean.
Yeah.
Butterbean.
Edward McQueen.
He has done the best of finishing.
Well, we haven't finished.
If something doesn't fall off or break or we don't get crash.
Easy now.
That's just how it's been the last six weeks.
But if we, if we just finish where we can maximize, we just have them.
Do you have a loose wheel to enter in?
Yeah.
At the end of the race.
Boys.
Yeah.
So that's a whole nother thing.
That's, that's like shooting yourself in the foot already.
But you're already losing the war.
Then you shoot yourself in the foot.
Yeah, man.
It's, but we're also learning is like they've got years of notes on Xfinity cars.
Those things have less than half the downforce is a truck.
Different torque curves, all the things are different.
So a lot of the stuff that they thought would translate from Xfinity car and the notebooks
they have don't at all.
Yeah.
So we've been trying to just weed out and really hone in on what we've been decent at
intermediates, short track stuff.
This is kind of our first short track we've been to.
So definitely kicking the nuts there.
So we'll keep lick our wounds and go back to IRP this week.
You gotta get up there and work on that thing.
I'm going to go up there today.
Nice.
I'm going to go up there today.
Cup race.
Did you see who?
So Chandler Smith.
Chandler Smith.
Yeah, it was a good race.
Smoked him.
Yeah.
Well, I mean the Lane Riggs and Carson was good.
He had a flat.
Yeah.
He had a degree.
He was, he was just, you could tell he just went there and just was like,
I don't care.
Let's wreck some stuff.
He'd run it all over the place and put people in bed.
Print Terry this week.
Print Terry said, you know, I think you need to wreck that Lane Riggs fella.
It's a cool weekend for him.
Cool week for him.
He's going to do a lot of cool stuff, man.
Hey, look, he's in the news.
We talk about him every week.
And he was fast again yesterday in the cup race for a while.
It fell off there a little bit at the end.
But man, the cup race, I was nervous because you knew.
I told you on Saturday.
You're like, there's going to be six cars on the lead lap.
I literally said, I was thinking back, did I tell him six?
Yes, I told him there's going to be six cars on the lead lap.
And I was nervous about the reaction and it was, it was still a good race.
Between the winners, like here's how it's always been.
And here's how it's always going to be people.
Because do you see like Clint Boyer tweeted?
He's like, let's see.
He said, it's something about I appreciate NASCAR
swinging for changing the super speedway package.
As glad as what he said, quote, as glad as I'm see to see them make some changes
to the drafting tracks, I'm equally actually more frustrated.
They haven't swung the bat towards the short track program.
He just hasn't been paying attention.
Yeah, if you're not paying attention, yeah, Clint, stick on the ice, man.
We've added power.
We've changed the floors.
We've changed the tires.
We've changed the bumpers.
That's swinging the needle.
The simple floor has changed everything.
Helped short track racing substantially.
Now that race track.
What are we trying to achieve here?
We try to achieve 30 cars on the lead lap
because then you have to take power away.
You got to make the cars easier to drive.
And you got to make them.
So they're rental go cards that go pro motor.
Did you hear the stat on the most amount of cars
that have ever finished on the lead lap at Wilkesboro?
No, 13.
Yeah, like 1990.
And it was the most in the in the history of the race track.
It's the same people that are crying for, man,
I just wish that racing was the way it used to be.
Well, guys, this is exactly how it was
because we fantasize the old days, right?
We fantasize Ricky Rudd and Dale Earnhardt
smashing each other because it's great racing,
makes for great highlights.
There was also three got three guys on the lead lap, right?
Get that at that point.
What's different now and what made the race,
what made the race really interesting and good to me
is the state.
I liked it.
The stage is breaking up now.
So you have, you probably have more opportunity
now to have people on the lap.
If there was no stage breaks,
you might have two cars on the lead lap.
There had been one car in the lead.
Yeah, because you saw Ty Gibbs was dominating the race,
got a speeding penalty, went a lap down.
Just got stuck in the back.
But that's how it should be.
The end of stage was at the end of stage two with SVG and Ty Gibbs.
Like the racing was great.
And then organically at the end of the race,
after the pit cycle, the 11 comes out right on the 22.
They're trying to navigate traffic.
He gets a bunch of Toyotas.
They held them up.
Yeah, they held them up.
I was listening to Coleman.
Coleman does such a good job.
Coleman Presley spotter for the 22.
He's like, the way that he says stuff to,
he's like, he's got, what did he say?
He's got his companions here or something,
like the way that he was kind of laying it out,
painting the picture for Joey.
And I was like, man, the 11's there.
But I think Joey knew that in the long run,
he had a shot.
He just couldn't let the 11 by him on the short run.
And dude, Joe Logano, you'd dangle a carrot in front of that guy.
Like right now, the carrot that's dangling is playoff birds.
Like in the chase.
Right.
And it's like, hey, you can make the playoffs and he's on it.
We talked about the last three weeks.
Nobody's better when they're backs up against the wall than 22.
Whether it be Paul Worf or Joey Logano.
Like we talked about it here for years.
You can't give him life.
If you have him down, you better not let him get up.
Because that son of a bitch ain't, he is coming for you.
Oh yeah.
And nobody wants to beat you more than he does.
He's the most competitive person I've ever met in my life.
If you're at the urinal next to that guy,
he's racing to see who can take a piss faster.
Oh, dude.
And then he'll hold it over your head for the next three days
about how I finished before you did.
I got, yeah.
Yeah.
Piss faster, yeah.
He does.
That's how he is.
But dude, and alongside him, Paul Wolfe, the 22 team,
the picker has been great all year.
And they have such a strong team.
I think what the rock is.
Good teams go through bad patches.
Yeah, that's right.
But not every good team, the champions,
pull themselves out of it.
Well, whether it's the 12, last week, great day.
And just in general, the 12 has been executing a high level.
It's going to win a million bucks next week.
It's going to win a million.
Yeah.
It's going to raise the face of Todd Gill and head to head
in that in-season tournament for a million bucks.
He's going to win Indy and win a million bucks.
That'd be great.
It's going to be hard.
But did you see who has the best average finish
in a next-gen card in Indianapolis?
Who?
Todd Gill.
No way.
Yes.
No, what?
Yes.
I wouldn't have guessed it.
Dude, one thing Todd Gillin does, Todd and Tic Tac,
one thing they do better than anybody is finish races.
I just saw it.
Like, I was like, no way.
I'm like, yeah, sure.
Yeah, but dude, Indy owes.
If there's ever a race track that it was somebody wanted,
Indy owes Blaney won.
Like we should have won that race a couple of times.
And that one with Larson, when they run out of gas,
when Brad run out of gas, coming to the green
and pulled off and we were second,
what a kick in the nuts.
So I think that the broadcast, TNT, shout out to those guys.
They definitely grabbed gear this year.
It is way better.
They still got some intricacies.
Their pylon isn't very good.
Like they didn't shuffle.
I watched the lap counter.
They didn't shuffle beyond the top 20 for like 25 laps, 30 laps.
I was like, I didn't know who run 21st for 45 minutes.
Couple small things.
Couple small things.
I like having Marty Smith back.
Yeah, he's great.
And he's just guys who are genuinely excited about the sport.
Give me some of those guys.
Cool to see Jimmy up there.
Got that SVG clip.
Hang on.
I was going to give those guys some flowers.
Oh, OK.
So I think they do a great job.
I think that they didn't talk about enough how easy it is
to have a day like Joey had go sideways.
It's easier to throw those days away than it is to just execute
and just hit the fairway every single time.
Like one instance, we saw a lot of pit road speed and penalties.
We saw one, you know, one instance behind Raleigh Herbst.
He started to get a little frustrated with him.
Like if he has one bad corner, his day is done.
Dude, I just forgot that I had a dream about that last night.
I was watching it and I was like pulling for Joey so hard.
And I'm like, excuse, don't.
And I had a dream that I forgot about this that they wrecked
and he was in it.
And I was like, ah, damn it.
And I woke up.
I just forgot about that.
So, you know, like you have those because it is that it's so fragile.
It's like right there.
And I that's what I was saying to Chris.
I'm like, man, it's like looking like there's going to be a caution.
Like I get that feeling of caution with five to go.
Of course.
And if you get a caution and it's going to be a green white checker,
what do you do?
Because as the leader, you're boned.
You're boned because if you pit the top 15 or stay.
Or if you stay everybody.
And then if you come into two and then you're pulling out,
someone's pulling in, you get in a wreck like we saw.
Yeah, you're the lead.
You're almost in the worst position possible.
Yeah, always.
I mean, that's time and time again.
Happens all the time, but it didn't.
The good thing for him was there's only five cars on the lap.
So it would have made it pretty easy.
Put four on it, jump, get after it.
Another, I mean, talk about wrecks on pit road.
The 88.
We'll get to that.
We'll get to that.
Boats and loads.
Let's talk about that.
I feel I watched that clip like 10 times.
I'm like, oh, we got a lot to break down.
But that.
But my man, SVG.
I mean, he's starting to be a cheat code, buddy.
Like, and there's a lot of chatter.
If he was in a better car, I don't disagree.
Watch the.
Did you see the clip when he took the lead?
Let's watch the clip.
Let's watch it together.
Give me some audio here, Chase.
This is a guy from New Zealand driving by Denny Hamlin
at North Wilkesboro.
That's.
Here we go.
Oh, oh, that's the best.
Was that was that Steve's to say?
I don't know.
Just drive straight.
Is that what he said?
You said you do.
Yeah.
I think it was George.
Probably George Williams.
Oh, Steve, yeah.
It's it's great because I don't know, Shane,
they do the same thing that you do on every road course.
Just drive away.
Well, that's he's I was his first.
Almost won the stage there for the second stage.
But when I was looking at that, I'm like, man,
he's like going to make the playoffs because everybody
just writes them off.
Yeah.
And then I don't know, man, this guy is just so good.
And we knew we'd figure it out eventually.
But I don't I think everybody's like, yeah, SVG is going
to be good.
SVG is going to be good.
But I think it's one thing to say that for him to actually
go there and run in the top five all night,
one of the hardest racetracks that to do that
execute wise, right?
The car, the team, pit crew, everybody involved.
This is just a little read-in of like how how
advanced SVG's just feel is and his racing IQ is.
So I texted him after the truck ride.
Hey, good job, buddy.
It's cool to see.
He goes, yeah, it was good.
Once I got rolling, I said, so what'd you figure out?
So my stuff was way too loose.
So I had to run the bottom and it built heat
into the right front to just square the balance up.
So he's already understood now.
It's like, OK, if I do X, Y and Z, I can make my car handle
a certain way.
That stuff that most of us start learning when we're 12,
oval racing or whatever, you start playing with your fans,
he is now comfortable and the more experience you get,
the more things you do subconsciously, right?
You're not worried about slipping a tire.
You're inherently doing that subconsciously.
Now he's consciously thinking about how 15 laps from now,
20 laps from now, how can I change the balance of my car
for what it is right now to get to the next window
or the next adjustment?
And the way that end of the truck race played out,
he was able to just adjust his driving style earlier.
He's been running the bottom all day
to just build the right front to keep it snug,
to get the right front hotter than the right rear.
I'd tell you something.
What?
How are you going to beat that guy if he figures it out?
When he figures it out.
What was his other best oval race of the year?
Do you remember?
Probably Atlanta.
Charlotte.
Yeah.
Oh yeah, he run good at that.
What else did he do at Charlotte?
Well, we're on the truck race before.
So I changed tires on the truck at Charlotte
and I didn't do it this weekend because I was racing,
but the more laps that he gets at a track to figure it out,
he has no practice.
Let's not forget, he has no practice.
He has less time on these race tracks than anybody.
So the more time that he gets to figure it out
and work on it, it seems like he gets better and better.
Justin Marks, get this guy in a truck.
Get him in the 71 truck for every oval that you can.
Because it is transferring over and they're running better.
He's such a good race car driver that he figures it out so quick
that if you just give him a day before,
he's going to be able to apply it to the next day.
And that's exactly what he did this weekend.
I mean, watching his stuff from the V8 Supercars
and how in tune with the race car he is,
with his brakes, with the sway bars, with what he's doing,
we don't have those tools here.
So you don't think to feel for him.
I'm loose, I'm tight, I need a track bar.
There, he seems to be more in tune with what's going on
and where the wheels are slipping, what tires are loaded.
Then most oval track racers.
So if you can take that part of his game and help him apply it
and Steve Durand figures out how to use that,
he's going to be light years ahead.
It's going to change the game for everybody.
And right now, Trackhouse is probably at the bottom of their swing.
Right now, everything's circular.
Toyotas at the top.
They make a lot of mechanical grip.
They've been fast at all the short, pretty much everywhere.
But eventually, Chevy's going to,
those guys are working hard behind the scenes
and they're going to hit out some stuff, right?
And they're going to be back.
So whenever Trackhouse comes back around,
hell, it might be, it might be the next two months.
One guy that needs to come around is the 88.
And he's been having terrible luck.
Let's hit that in boats and woes when we come back.
What do you say?
Let's do it.
All right, guys, we're back.
Time for some pit road boats and woes.
Plenty of woes on pit road this weekend.
But who are the bosses?
Oh, pit bosses this week, man.
It was close to 22.
They had a great day.
Shout out to the 22 guys.
They have not been running well here,
but the pit crew has been on it.
And it's hard to do, man.
Sometimes you kind of play to the,
you know, you play to the caliber of your car.
Like you say, with football teams,
play to the level of your competition.
But they have not.
They have been in the top five consistently.
A great team, but they did get beat out by a little bit
by the 11 team who was chasing them.
So the 11 is our pit boss of the week.
They had the best average.
They've been great.
So how do they measure that?
So I'm sitting here looking at NASCAR Insights.
I know everybody's got their own way to do it.
There's not a standard measuring way,
but Insights has the 22 top of the board.
Yeah, I think the 11 was just a little bit.
Just, I mean, it's like a half a tenth, right?
It's right there and whoever times it.
But everybody times it different.
I'm still on NASCAR about doing a standardized timing system.
Because if you look at NASCAR Insights,
or you look at Bozy, who puts up a lot of tweets,
like I think he gets his stuff from Asphalt Analytics,
who's a company that does it.
And they're usually like a half second faster
than if you look at the NASCAR timing.
And everybody kind of has a discrepancy.
So you can only go off of the numbers that you get
that you look at.
Yeah.
But the 11 team, just like, I don't know, a couple hundredths.
So they don't, so they being Insights,
don't put like a number to it.
It's just ranked like a heat map.
Yeah.
And then some guys, some of those that you see,
weight position in an off pit road.
Like yesterday, the 22 had such a large gap.
So if you, if we would have this with Blaney at Martinsville,
you'd get such a large gap that you'd be like,
yo, big gap here, just get the wheels tight.
No penalties.
So they did, but they did a great job.
They've been super fast this year.
So shout out to those guys.
Well, hot stop.
Just a hot stop for week.
24 team has done the fastest stop
like the last four or five weeks.
Really?
So they had the fast stop like a 83
They were ranked fourth on the day.
Yeah.
They've been great here through the summer stretch.
Let's do, let's just give a shout out.
I'll let you have the 11 for the top spot.
So we'll put the 22 in second.
So the 11, the 22.
The one.
The one, he was ranked third on the day.
They've been great.
Shane Wilson still jacking that thing.
Shane's retired.
He's retired.
Who's jacking that thing now?
You know, William Byron, they had them fourth
and P5 on the day.
Ty Gibbs.
Josh Appleby is a jack man.
Appleby.
I saw him, he was over at McCarthy's pit wiper there already.
He's, he's been one of the best.
And that's kind of, Shane was like.
He was a punter at Louisville.
Really?
Yep.
Kicking balls.
Kicking ass on period.
He ain't built like a punter.
He's built like a damn linebacker.
He's built like a jack man.
He's been one of the best for a long time.
That's where Shane Wilson, like he's a long time jack man.
He's like, look, I'm going to go to coaching.
I can't keep up with this guy.
I'm going to concede and give him my spot.
So that happens to us.
Because he's like, look, it's better for the team.
Yeah.
And that's why he's a stud now.
He's coaching and enjoying time with his boys.
His kid's a hell of a golfer.
Is he?
Yeah.
Putting some time in with them.
That's good.
But yeah, so wrap it up.
11 car P1 on the day.
Shout out to the 22.
24 fast to stop.
And we're heading to Indyman.
That's going to be that place is sketchy.
Pit road sketchy.
They're super narrow.
Pit road speed is fast.
Oh, it's like, yeah, it's 60.
I think it's 55.
So you get 59.
9.
Yeah.
And you are flying.
And your ankles are out in the middle of
Yeah.
Pit road the whole time because it's built for cars in 1933.
I just, I don't know why we've got a nine hole golf course
in the infield and yet the pit roads about 14 feet wide.
But you know, that's right.
It's part of it.
That's part of the lure, I guess.
But the woes, the woes of the week several on pit road one
knocked out the both the five and the 88 earlier in the day.
If we're watching this thing back, we see it every week.
But there's, you talked about last week,
curve pit road guys coming in trying to take two to jump
track position.
The five was kind of buried mid teens, high teens.
Cliff wanted to take rights, get the five a little bit of
track position like it worked with sports some guys.
Unfortunately, the 88 was pit right in front of them,
two spots in front of them.
And they were coming in right as the five dropped the jack.
There's a great in-car camera here of the 88 rolling in,
Randall on the radio, Claire.
No, stop, stop, stop, stop.
Yeah, he's and he center punch the right.
But that's like, so as a front tire changer, right?
I know people are kind of, they always don't want to tell
people what they're doing, but you have to be like, yo,
to, hey, yes, like right when you're coming.
And if you're not racing, right?
If you're running for the lead, don't tell them.
But that's where I'm always like, yo, two or four,
like I'm telling my guys, the guys next to me,
what's going on?
So we don't have a situation.
Yes.
Well, this is what you call it.
But they have an opening out.
They have an opening out.
So it's harder to communicate the 66 in between them.
So it's harder to communicate with those guys.
So you're not really talking to guys one pistol away.
That is a massive shot to the right front of the five
and to the left front area of the nose,
hypercritical arrow spot.
And I know we're a short track.
It's only five eighths, but every sort of, man, I think the
split area is so important.
Oh, it's the first thing that sees the air, obviously.
So even at a short track, when you're trying to,
the difference between hat being competitive or not
competitive is the plus or minus of a 10th,
that's certainly not going to 10th out of your car per lap.
So another obstacle in, I was texting Connor this week,
a little bit, wellness check, buddy.
How you doing?
He goes, I'm hanging in there.
I'm like, keep bringing the juice.
Don't get down.
You'll keep digging.
You'll keep fighting it.
Connor and the five cars had a rough go.
Yeah.
I mean, both of them.
You have that video of SVG, his teammate.
This is, I'll tell you what, there's, as we talked about,
infinite ways to lose the race.
Yeah, there's one way.
And this is one that you don't really think of.
So the driver service guy on this car, first off,
driver service is the worst job to do.
I had to do it for Tony Stewart in 2011,
because T-Roy broke his leg.
And so you go out there, you give the driver a water bottle,
you pull a tear off.
You only have the right side worth of time to do all this stuff.
Yeah.
When I was doing it, it was about five seconds.
Now it's two and a half to three.
To fumble a bottle through the window,
and that's tight and rip.
And it's not easy to rip a tear off, guys.
Oh, it's, you gotta find the tab.
And pull it off straight.
You gotta pull it off straight and get it off.
And it gets stuck sometimes.
Because it's staticky.
Yeah.
Well, Tony was the worst because he would fuck with you.
So like when I started doing it, the first time I had to do it
was Daytona and we were like leading.
And it's the most thankless job in the world.
So I'd go in there and hand him a bottle.
And he'd grab your hand.
He'd grab your hand and pull you in and you'd be like,
oh, don't stop.
But a lot of times, like you get, right now,
if you get bound up, I would tell our driver service guy
all the time, like this guy gets bound up
and he just jumps back over the wall.
You just gotta stay tight to the car.
Yeah.
So I don't know if they've had those conversations.
Because Jackman's coming.
But there's been plenty of times where you come around
and you see him standing there and you're like,
OK, I got to make sure I don't hit him with this left front.
But if you if you get stuck, stay there.
Yeah.
Don't end up in the middle of the road
in between the mustard and the mayonnaise.
And they get it like halfway off here.
We got the video.
Get it like halfway.
Oh, no.
Oh, he went back to it.
He just bailed.
I got it.
No, I got to go.
So now it looks like if you're Shane,
you're driving in an aquarium.
It's terrible.
It's just I'll tell you, you're looking through your visor,
you're looking through already pitted up sandblasted windshield.
It annoys you when you have like a little air bubble in windshield,
let alone when you're looking at like you're finding Nemo.
Yeah.
So finally, I guess he ran the whole run with that thing.
I don't think it blew off.
So that was annoying.
That's certainly a woe.
It's like, man, I can't see.
I can kind of see where I'm going, but it's just annoying.
Shane don't care.
Terrible.
He don't normal normal things don't affect him.
Did you see that he was cramping and he swapped from left foot break
to right foot break because his left foot was cramping.
Half of the race.
That's like learning how to ride a bike
and then just turn around backward.
Yeah.
For you and me, not for him.
Not for him.
That's like, oh, I'm going to go back to what I'm comfortable with.
Yeah.
Like it's like, yeah, it would be like playing ping pong
with your dominant hand and halfway out my my hands cramp.
But I'm going to swap to the other side and be just as good.
He's just a dude.
What else we got?
Oh, so the 54 he was able, he sped early, but he was able to kind of
find his way back fight for top five back to fourth.
He probably was the only car that had something for the 22.
The 11 gave it a shot.
He kept it within fight and distance kept made it interesting.
But the 54 arguably had the fastest car
and we never really got a shot to to see.
To 12 par was good.
Yeah, he was good.
Him speeding that last run and then driving back to still finish 11th was impressive.
Yes.
So both those guys, we probably would have seen a really strong three man race in that regard.
But you just can't can't speed on pit road.
Oh, another woe that 48 spinning out, getting there.
I was I was watching it and I was like, man,
man, I wouldn't pit early in this run because there's there's going to be guys
having gotten to pit road here under green ever.
And there's a lot going on.
Like there's going to be something that happens.
Yes.
And you just don't want to like it's aggressive to be on the front side of that.
But I thought it was a little sketchy.
And then I saw him wrecking.
I'm like, I freaking knew it was coming.
So I rode along with 48, you know, I scrubbed it back.
They call he was so Alex was committed to the top.
Like, you know, you flag stand, you kind of pick managed the mustard and he was committed to the top.
So he rose in the top and then right about entry Blake was like this time, time.
I think the 45 might have been on new tires at that point in time, too.
So the 45 rolled the bottom really quick and the 48 and the four was blending.
Yeah, the 45 like came up at that time, too.
Not a good, not a good spot.
And hindsight, you just live to find our lap and you bring it to him next time.
But not good.
Kevin called it.
And is it like real late?
Because it looked like the 40.
I only saw like the tail end of it where it was shooting down the back stretch.
That's the only angle I saw of it.
But yeah, the 45 must have filled way faster than what Kevin thought was coming.
And yeah, just a melee.
And then the seven card kind of got away with one because he was committed, then turned back out.
But I think it was the right call for NASCAR to not ruin their day.
I thought that the rule was if you hit, I think he was all four below commitment.
That was different.
So he was all four below the commitment box.
And then he hung a right because they said, quote, unquote, he was avoiding the wreck.
Sure, I'll give him that ball and strike call, called it a ball.
But if if he hits rights on the commitment line and then hangs a right, there's no penalty
because he's not technically committed.
If you hit your rights and then come that pit road, that's a penalty.
Remembering the cone was there.
Yeah.
God, I miss the cone.
I miss the Orange Cone.
I miss the Twitter page.
The Twitter page, too.
That was an all-timer.
Let's talk about some, let's talk about some like current events and just some races in general.
How about the old staff?
What's that?
What was that race called?
Stafford 500.
Oh, no, it's called the New England 900.
I don't know where the name, where the number came from, but.
And I love to see whole mile watch up there driving a Crown Vic.
He's got a top 10.
Richard Childress in a black three and nose was knocked off of that thing.
I know.
I love it.
I mean, they had every walk of life.
Cletus is doing the Lord's work when it comes to racing and putting everybody together.
And then the Roots up there at Stafford, man, they do a great job.
Obviously, I've gone up there and raced myself.
You've raced there.
They are always doing something cool.
They just had Formula Drift there.
And then they got Cletus here.
And what's this late mile series you started?
Who's that?
Cleter.
I have no idea what it's called.
Something, they just had their first race something a couple weeks ago, Berlin.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
He did.
He started probably called the Bald Eagle.
Bald Eagle races.
Bald Eagle for men.
For a late mile season.
Of America.
Yeah.
I don't.
Yeah, we'll learn some more information on that and follow that thing.
That one started.
IHRA, they ended.
I don't know what the hell they were doing.
Short lived for a moment.
RIP.
This is a little fishy.
RIP.
It was a little fishy.
RIP.
Happy for the guys that made some money.
Hope they got paid.
Another news.
Actually, it was busy week in the terms of sanctioning bodies.
Wait, let's talk about the clearest thing real quick.
Sure, let's do it.
Did you see?
SMI bought in the car store too, or Marcus did too,
so that now they have an interesting dynamic there.
We'll talk about more of that in the coming week.
Why is that interesting?
I don't know.
Oh.
It's competition.
I mean, that was a whole part of the lawsuit.
Oh, there's that NASCAR.
Yeah, that was a whole part of the lawsuit.
NASCAR shutting down any sort of competitor series or buying them up.
So you think that that's a direct competitor?
No.
It's a late-mile series.
Up against NASCAR, they have a late-mile series.
All right.
Well, we can talk to our internal services and get back.
I don't know.
I'll tell you what.
It's great though.
It's like, so cars tour right now, they have a west and an east.
They are the New Age Hooters Pro Cup.
That is the Hooters Pro Cup tour, and it was awesome.
Back in the day, I remember going to Hooters Cup races
like Hickory, Concord, Shane Huffman, driving the 88 Champion Spark Plugs.
Clay Rogers.
Yeah, there's some dudes.
So the car tour now is that, for sure.
Absolutely.
Back to Cleeter.
That race, the people that he brought together.
I mean, it was like Vaughn Gittin Jr. was driving.
He was driving one?
Ty Dillon.
Downforce Danny Stockman.
Priest.
Yeah, Richard Childress.
It was just to bring all those guys together.
Ty Dillon about one of the things.
Well, I saw some guy drove him all the way to the fence.
Zach, I don't know who he is.
He's an influencer, but he just, yeah.
Didn't even turn.
I'm winning your not, so yeah.
And then Priest snuck in there, run second.
He won last year.
He's got more laps around there, probably than any human alive.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't know.
Woody Pickett or Teddy Christopher is alive, but you know.
But close second.
Did you see, have you kept up with the RFK gags?
They've been doing on each other.
So you saw that Priest.
I saw them.
He bought the billboard.
A billboard.
He got two of them.
So hang on before he hit go.
So Ryan Priest got two billboards outside of Atlanta.
Visit Prosper, Texas, right?
Chris Bush or hometown.
There was another one.
I forgot exactly what it said, but it was great.
How would you even think about getting a billboard for something?
That's a A plus stuff.
I don't even know where you.
Is there a number?
Mike Mazzara doing the work over there.
Hey, this is a good idea.
That's funny.
So Chris Bush starts putting up some cryptic tweets over the last 10 days or so.
Last five days of like, hey, I got you a butterfly that's now turning into a cat.
Or a caterpillar has now turned into a butterfly.
Random things and nobody knew.
I was like, what's he doing?
A sticker?
Something.
And we can roll all this on social.
Like click, click, click.
Well, come to find out.
Priest ordered a duly to pull whatever modified trailer or something or horse trailer.
God knows what he's doing.
Chris Busher found out that it was almost done.
So he got his hands on it and decal the whole thing up and delivered it to Wilkesboro.
Oh, boy.
So run it.
Oh, it's got eyelashes.
He's like, that's not my truck.
I spent 120 grand on that truck.
Yeah.
They put his like Instagram handle on the on the decal.
Daughter's going to love it.
Yeah.
You've got to keep it.
Yeah, you got to keep it.
I think that that's a great.
I think he needs to decal the trailer with it.
You got to match it.
I would take the eyelashes off.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's draggy.
It's bad for diesel six bucks a gallon.
You can't have any added arrow.
Oh, my God, that's hilarious.
That is funny.
Spent 120 grand on this thing and came butterflies.
Came with eyelashes.
The cup series has a way of draining your happiness and joy in life.
So those sorts of breaks, I got the RFK guys, they seem to be having a blast.
They're having a good time.
So you got to keep that stuff fun because man, it gets monotonous and man, hot days,
dog days of summer, as you say, there's not a whole lot to look forward to.
So talking a little smack, smack with your buddies.
That's hard to beat.
So Chris Boucher, ninth in standings.
Priest is right there.
He's on the cut line.
And what?
He's on he's on the cut line.
Priest and keselowski 18th, 19th, they're 25 out 30.
Man, he really doesn't really like that 25 point penalty back from Tex.
Wouldn't he?
I forgot about that.
What do you think about that?
That they can give penalties to?
Can't hit the button, bro.
Can't hit the button.
Yeah.
You can't premeditate it.
Just stay silent.
If you're going to wreck them.
To the Stafford point.
This isn't Stafford.
The same staff.
Just don't say it.
Because it's not just you and your dad and your spotter on the on the radio.
There's everybody.
I think what SVG did at Texas or what?
I don't know.
What was it?
Who else was it?
Uh, where were we?
Or not SVG did at Chicago or what Zane did.
Like you're going to go in there and wreck them.
Don't broadcast it.
Yeah, you can't say it.
Then 15 laps later go do it.
It's like, ah, it's a little premeditated.
Yeah.
So that's that.
Man, I'll tell you what.
I love what the 22 is doing right now.
I think he's going to be solidly in the playoffs.
He's 15th.
He said yesterday on the broadcast.
I think I'm going to get the 10th.
Yeah.
Well, they run well in Penske's backyard in Indy.
They run well there.
I think he had a flat tire lead last year.
He runs great at Richmond.
It's his favorite track.
Yep.
Where else do we go, Daytona?
Yep.
What's the other one before the?
We've got, there's Iowa in there.
Iowa.
And Blaney runs good there.
So I'm sure it bleeds over the 22.
Yep.
Yeah.
The 22 is looking, he's trending up.
Who's trending down?
Eric Jones.
Eric Jones is out.
Yeah.
He was out this past week.
Yeah, the two cars on the cut line now.
He ran relatively well.
He runs well, but like.
Can they close the deal?
Can they close the deal?
And then you have guys like the, the top, the first five out.
Eric Jones, Ryan Priest, Brad Kozlowski, Michael McDowell, Ross Chastain.
I think Ross Chastain is the limit for who can make it in.
He's less than a hundred points if you get the AJ only thing.
He better go on a run.
But dude, we just saw Blaney close a hundred points on the lead.
And he's only 87 out of the lead.
Yeah.
And he's like 21 off of Tyler Redick.
Blaney's on a tear right now.
And he's going, this 12 team is going to Indy.
Should have went into a couple of times.
Like he's, he's going to be a brickyard winner eventually.
He's really good there.
Million bucks on the line.
There's a lot going on.
I don't know though.
I think the guys that I'm worried about that I feel like that are close to the cut off line.
Bubba's getting on the right side of the metric, but the wheels can fall off of that 23 team.
They can have, they can have a bad, a couple of bad weeks.
They had a great week this week, finished well.
Defending winner of the brickyard 400 last year.
But there's blood in the water where he's at, especially with Joey running better,
SVG running better.
And then the two team, I just don't know that he has the speed each and every week.
Boys in the group with the six and the 60.
Yeah.
And the six and the 60 and the 43 has been strong.
Like, are they going to out execute him?
We'll find out.
We're going to find out.
So it's going to be fun to watch man getting away from that playoff.
Winning it.
The round deal.
Yeah.
I was wondering how it's going to be, but it's really fun right now just to see it all organically
play out and you get on runs and you don't get on runs.
And I do like that too.
Seeing, you know, everybody just thought, oh, the 45 is going to be already one of the regular
season.
Nope.
That's not how that happens.
He's going to be hard pressed to keep second.
That's, yeah.
If Blaney keeps running the way he is, he's not going to keep second.
And I'll tell you, right.
And if that seating, that handicap on seating, I think it's 25 points to the regular season
champ.
I don't know, but 50 or 25, whatever it is, substantial.
And as you go down, it gets clearly harder and harder to close the gap.
And you have to go on a very, very good run.
But I think the 12 is in.
Was it was it?
He's finished top 10.
I don't have the stats.
A lot.
He has been crushing like the floor on the 12 teams performance is very high.
And that's, I think, what you have to look at.
It's what's the bad days look like?
Does the badly look 11th like it did on Sunday night after speeding twice,
starting the back?
That's not a bad day.
Not bad.
That's a dangerous team.
You know what else is dangerous?
Our reaction to these memes coming up right after this break.
So we got some good stuff cooking.
Talk to y'all right after this.
I read a great quote this week from Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Oh boy.
Says you can't climb the ladder of success with your hands in your pocket.
Better keep climbing.
I know.
I like that.
I like that.
I don't know who that's here that best.
I was like, that's good stuff.
Can't climb the ladder without change.
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About this episode
Hosts connect NASCAR fandom and short-track revival to the practical grind of racing: North Wilkesboro’s comeback funding, why short-track renovations and setups matter, and how teams adapt without simulation tools. The conversation then pivots through late-model economics, carbon-seat testing, and pit/strategy details like lead-lap goals, stage breaks, and green-white-checker dilemmas. Joey Logano’s playoff mindset gets framed as pressure-proof, while SVG’s on-track instincts and setup decisions get dissected.
Original notes
NASCAR fans say they want old-school short-track racing, and North Wilkesboro gave them exactly that. Corey LaJoie and Ryan Flores break down the fan reaction, why only a handful of cars finishing on the lead lap is nothing new, and whether this was the kind of NASCAR race everyone has been asking for.
The guys also explain why Shane van Gisbergen is becoming a serious problem on ovals. SVG is already learning how to manipulate tire temperature, adjust the balance of his car through driving style, and use Truck Series starts to speed up his Cup development.
Plus, Joey Logano and the 22 team get the win, Ryan Blaney continues his charge, the NASCAR playoff bubble gets tighter, Hendrick suffers a rough day on pit road, and the RFK drivers take their prank war to another level.
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