Corvette talk kicks off with Brian’s fresh Corvette E-Ray and the crew’s ongoing car-hunting banter. Dan shares travel and an Overland Southern Cal update: bigger crowds, lots of vendors, but a feeling of stagnation—too many similar F-350/F-450 builds and “grocery getter” trucks. Newer trends include specialized overland trailers, more battery/power tech, and Starlink mounts. The group also swaps stories from snow-wheeling and rescue help in the mountains, then debates F1’s Apple TV era and the broader push toward more tech-heavy racing. They close with an “obscure engines” carter tip on V4s.
Brian Dallas drops in to give us some updates on the Overland scene for 2026, Nick goes snow wheeling and picks up hitchhikers, and Dan thinks F1 is boring now.
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"Hi, Brian. Hi, Brian. That's sexy. Brian's back from the road and the other Brian, Brian Elich, bought, he got a new Corvette E-Ray."
The Corvette E-Ray is a special Corvette from Chevrolet that adds electric power to help the car accelerate and grip better. It’s basically a performance Corvette with a hybrid/electric twist.
The Corvette E-Ray is a performance Corvette variant from Chevrolet that uses an electric-assist setup alongside a gasoline engine. It’s known for instant torque and all-wheel-drive-like traction behavior compared with traditional Corvettes.
"I like that he posted the Camaro that he just bought online and then literally went back in like a day or two later and went, oh, that didn't last long."
The Camaro is Chevrolet’s classic performance car. It’s the kind of car people buy when they want a sporty, loud, V8-style driving experience.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a long-running American muscle/pony car that competes in the same enthusiast space as other V8-focused models. Mentioning it alongside the Corvette E-Ray highlights how the guest is bouncing between different performance platforms.
"And one particular gentleman who came up and we were talking about it Saturday, I think something like that. He was like, this is the same stuff like I'm seeing the same stuff over and over again. Like I just, it feels very repetitive. Like I don't need to see, you know, 400 different variations of an F 350 or F 450 or F 550, that's a half three quarters or a million dollars. Yeah. That can only go to about 10% of the trails in the world. And then, then you've got the opposite side where you look at sprinters, you know, where there's tons and tons and tons of Sprinter builders now that are trying to build a better mousetrap on that side."
The Ford F-350 is a heavy-duty pickup truck. It’s designed to tow and haul more than a typical smaller truck. The podcast mentions it while discussing what someone keeps noticing.
The Ford F-350 is a heavy-duty pickup truck built for towing and demanding hauling tasks. It’s brought up in the podcast as part of a broader discussion about what people are seeing or repeating, suggesting it’s relevant to real-world ownership and observations. In general, it’s a model that tends to come up when people talk about work trucks.
"And then, then you've got the opposite side where you look at sprinters, you know, where there's tons and tons and tons of Sprinter builders now that are trying to build a better mousetrap on that side."
The Sprinter is a Mercedes van that a lot of people turn into camper/overland rigs. There are many companies and hobbyists building them, so you see lots of different versions.
Mercedes-Benz Sprinter vans are popular in the overlanding and camper world because they’re roomy, easy to convert, and have strong aftermarket support. The speaker mentions “Sprinter builders” as a growing segment focused on improving conversions.
"That's always sort of been the base build for rock crawling and things like that. Yeah, but there was so many grocery getters and"
Rock crawling is off-roading where you go slowly over rocks and try to keep traction. It usually requires special tires and suspension so the truck can move carefully over obstacles.
Rock crawling is a low-speed off-road discipline focused on traction and vehicle control over rocks and obstacles. It often drives specific build choices like gearing, tire selection, and suspension travel.
"you know, parking lot princesses that were parked there with carbon, you know, window fender flares and
carbon hoods and stuff like that. Like those trucks are never going to see any dirt ever."
A carbon hood is a hood made from carbon fiber. It can look really cool and may be lighter, but it’s not always the most practical choice for heavy off-roading.
A carbon hood is a hood made from carbon-fiber composite. It’s often chosen for weight savings and a high-end look, but it’s also more about styling on many “show” builds than practical off-road durability.
"you know, parking lot princesses that were parked there with carbon, you know, window fender flares and
carbon hoods and stuff like that. Like those trucks are never going to see any dirt ever."
Fender flares are the plastic or metal pieces around the wheel area. They help keep dirt and water from flinging out and can fit wider tires.
Fender flares are add-on panels that extend the wheel-arch area. They help cover wider tires and reduce mud/splash, and they’re common on off-road builds and trucks with lifted suspensions.
"I always think like I would rather see a Toyota that's sitting there with dented rims
Same and and goes thinking the same next to the boost and the guy goes."
Dented rims usually mean the wheels took a hit from rocks or rough ground. In off-roading circles, it can be a sign the truck actually sees trails.
Dented rims are wheel impacts from rocks, curbs, or trails—often a sign the vehicle is being driven off-road. In overland/off-road culture, visible trail damage can be seen as “honest” evidence of real use.
"It really is like it. I mean for us we get pinstripes on our trucks all the time. Yeah. Um, I got some good ones this weekend and uh"
Pinstripes are thin decorative lines you put on a vehicle. People add them for looks, and here they’re talking about how lots of stripes can make the truck look busy.
Pinstripes are thin decorative lines—often vinyl or paint—applied to a vehicle for style. In this segment, they’re discussed as something the hosts frequently add to trucks, and as visual clutter they’re trying to manage with other graphics.
"And that's the whole reason I wrap my truck. That's the whole reason you hopefully will do something about your bed one of these days"
A wrap is a big sticker made of vinyl that covers parts of your truck. People use it to change the look and also help protect the paint.
A vehicle wrap is a large vinyl film applied over body panels. It’s often used for protection (like reducing minor paint damage) and for customizing appearance without repainting.
"Nope, even the Baja teams aren't running carbon fiber. No like nobody cares that much about the weight like they run fiberglass, but"
Carbon fiber is a very light, strong material used on some car parts. Here they’re saying off-road teams don’t usually bother with it because other materials make more sense.
Carbon fiber is a lightweight composite material commonly used in performance and premium automotive parts. The segment contrasts it with fiberglass, arguing that off-road teams prioritize durability and cost over weight savings.
"I mean, I guess apg off-road has a carbon like a heavy heavy duty like skid plate level carbon fender"
A skid plate is a protective plate under the vehicle to help prevent damage when you hit rocks or debris. It’s a way to describe “tough enough for impact.”
A skid plate is an underbody protective panel designed to shield vulnerable components from rocks, logs, and impacts. Comparing a carbon fender to “skid plate level” carbon implies a very tough, thick material choice.
"A good guy's show. I love looking at a chivalre that's got rubber all over the back of it because it's been doing burnouts and things like that"
A burnout is when you spin the tires on purpose. It leaves rubber behind, and here they’re saying they like seeing cars that get used, not just parked.
Burnouts are intentional tire-spinning events used to heat tires or demonstrate performance. The host mentions seeing a car with rubber on the back as evidence it’s been driven hard, not just displayed.
"Yeah, so the trend that I saw and I've seen here since the last show of last year to this year was trailers like people wanting to do some sort of trailer that's you know specific so that they can outfit that properly"
They’re talking about trailers becoming a big trend—people are building them for a specific purpose instead of using a basic trailer. These can be pretty advanced.
The segment highlights a trend toward specialized trailers that are built to be “outfitted properly” for a specific lifestyle or activity. The discussion later mentions suspension complexity, implying these are more than simple utility trailers.
"I mean, they're full you know, yeah four link suspension everything. Yeah that that kind of thing So that's so you can't get it in your car. So you're gonna pull it behind your car"
Four-link suspension is a way to connect the trailer’s wheels to the frame using four arms. It helps the wheels move more smoothly over bumps and keeps the trailer more stable off-road.
A four-link suspension uses four control arms to locate the axle and manage ride height and wheel movement. On trailers, it can improve stability and articulation over rough terrain compared with simpler suspension setups.
"Yeah, so I start to see a lot of those with the proper trunk with the proper hitch on them"
A hitch is the receiver-mounted hardware that allows a vehicle to tow a trailer. The speaker mentions having the “proper hitch,” which matters because correct hitch rating and setup affect safety and towing stability, especially on uneven terrain.
"Uh, dometic has come out with a new trailer. Oh, so okay, so dometic and forerunner, you know, um, so those two are uh"
Dometic makes a lot of camping and RV equipment. Here they’re talking about a new trailer, which is useful for overlanding because it lets you tow gear and then leave the trailer at the trailhead.
Dometic is a well-known maker of RV and overlanding gear, especially camping appliances and accessories. In this context, they’re releasing a new trailer, which matters because trailer design affects towing, storage, and how easily you can leave it behind at trailheads.
"There's that idea of having a nice rig Toeing something behind it and then when you don't need to go do your overlanding you just leave your trailer at home and that kind of thing"
This is about pulling a trailer behind your vehicle using a hitch. It’s convenient for carrying stuff, but it can make it harder to drive on rough trails.
“Towing something behind it” refers to using a hitch and trailer to carry gear or another vehicle. For overlanding, the key tradeoff is that towing adds weight and length, which can limit where you can go off-road.
"Then you can go on wheel you're like, you know go to moab and Find your trail that you want to go do but you can't pull a trailer through it"
Moab, Utah is a famous off-roading destination known for technical trails and challenging terrain. The speaker uses it as an example of where you might want to tow to a base area, then leave the trailer and tackle the trail with better maneuverability.
"Yeah, there's not a lot of good places close by to go snow-wheeling
[1069.5s] You have to get pretty far out there now
[1071.3s] Well, we were going to go for 10 but for 10 was closed because of trees and things like that"
Snow-wheeling is off-roading on snow-covered terrain, typically using 4x4 vehicles and appropriate tires. It often involves careful traction management, route planning, and sometimes winching or recovery gear depending on conditions.
"I'm surprised apple stepped up for that for one ... I'm just surprised to see the the streaming. That's such a huge acquisition for apple"
Apple TV is Apple’s streaming service. The point here is that Apple paying to stream big sports like F1 can bring more attention and money to the sport.
Apple TV refers to Apple’s streaming platform, which has been involved in acquiring major sports/media rights. The discussion frames it as a significant move that brings more money and visibility to F1.
"I actually get pretty bored watching f1. I don't watch it that often. I'll watch highlights more than I'll watch a race because I'm just like
"
F1 is the highest level of open-wheel racing. The conversation is about whether modern F1 feels too technical or automated compared to earlier eras.
F1 (Formula 1) is the top tier of open-wheel motorsport, where rules and technology heavily influence how cars are driven and how races play out. The discussion here is about how modern F1’s technology and safety systems affect driver engagement and entertainment value.
"[1453.8s] but motor gp like you bring up is especially great to watch because
[1458.3s] That is a
[1460.0s] Hardcore body game the same with like I think the peep the pinnacle of that is not motor gp."
MotoGP is the highest level of motorcycle racing on road-style tracks. It’s exciting because the riders are extremely precise and the bikes are very advanced.
MotoGP is the premier class of motorcycle road racing, featuring highly developed machines and top-tier riders. The speaker frames it as especially entertaining because it’s a “hardcore” skill display, where control and precision matter a lot.
"[1460.0s] Hardcore body game the same with like I think the peep the pinnacle of that is not motor gp. It's isle of man
[1464.9s] That's a little too extreme people die way too often. It's amazing"
The Isle of Man TT is a legendary motorcycle race known for being extremely dangerous. The course and speeds make it a huge test of skill and nerve.
The Isle of Man refers to the Isle of Man TT, one of the most famous and dangerous motorcycle races. It’s known for high-risk riding and fatalities historically, which is why the speaker calls it “too extreme.”
"[1492.4s] Exactly do it and that makes it all the more amazing and I think
[1499.2s] You would see that in racing a lot where it's it's sort of the same appeal nascar has
[1503.1s] Yeah"
NASCAR is a type of racing where stock cars race mostly on oval tracks. It can involve a lot of engineering, but the racing style is different from road racing and can feel simpler to some viewers.
NASCAR is stock-car racing in the U.S., typically on oval tracks where cars run in close packs. The speaker notes that while there’s plenty of engineering/tech, the cars can feel “more rudimentary” compared with other racing series, even though speeds are still very high.
"Speaking of motorcycles is my favorite sound of a motorcycle is a v4 [1718.8s] And then that's this goes back to the Honda RC 45 days"
Honda is the motorcycle brand being mentioned here. They’re linking Honda to the V4 bikes that helped create that famous sound.
Honda is referenced in connection with the RC45, a landmark V4 motorcycle. The brand’s racing and engineering history is part of why the V4 sound is being discussed.
Term
V4
"It's one of the I think the best sounding motorcycles actually have v4. It's just there's a
Certain synchronicity to the way those pistons fire that just goes oh when they're screaming or the race pipe"
A V4 is an engine with four cylinders arranged in a V shape. Different engine layouts make different sounds, and V4s can have a very distinctive high-pitched note.
A V4 engine is an internal-combustion engine with four cylinders arranged in a “V” shape. The firing order and exhaust setup can strongly affect sound, which is why the hosts are comparing how V4s “scream” when revved.
"You get all that thunder of like a v-twin, but all the high pitch
Of a super sport bike, but there aren't a few cars that run v4s"
A V-twin engine uses two cylinders arranged in a V configuration. The hosts are contrasting the “thunder” typical of V-twins with the higher-pitched sound they associate with V4s.
"Maybe it was 80s Honda came out with that straight six the cbx. Yeah, Great engine actually. Yeah, super smooth."
The Honda CBX is a classic Honda motorcycle with a straight-six engine. The big takeaway is that it runs very smoothly because the engine layout is inherently well-balanced.
The Honda CBX is a famous 1980s Honda motorcycle known for its straight-six engine layout. The speaker highlights it as a “great engine” and emphasizes how smooth it is compared with many other engine configurations.
"It's an incredible engine. Yeah, Yamaha's [2032.0s] No slouch when it comes to building performance engines"
Yamaha usually makes motorcycles, but it also has experience building engines. Here, they’re saying Yamaha has a track record of making engines that perform well in cars too.
Yamaha is best known for motorcycles and marine engines, but it has also been involved in automotive engine development. In this segment, the hosts connect Yamaha’s engineering reputation to performance engines used in cars like the Ford Taurus SHO.
"Literally there was a senate hearing about how bad def has been for vehicles... And so now because those laws are basically non enforceable... they're just removing the def injection..."
DEF is a special fluid diesel trucks use to clean their exhaust. It’s injected into the exhaust so the truck can reduce harmful pollution.
DEF (diesel exhaust fluid) is a urea-based liquid injected into a diesel exhaust system to help reduce nitrogen oxides (NOx). It enables modern diesel emissions systems to meet regulations by converting NOx into less harmful compounds.
"[2683.5s] You know, I mean we talked about that the astad martin event
[2685.8s] It's the fact that like the reason that car was so cool is the gadgets and james bond drew the coolest spy in the world drove it and
[2692.4s] You know, yeah, yeah, I think"
The hosts are saying the DB5 is cool partly because James Bond made it look like a gadget-filled spy tool. So it became famous for the “movie tech” vibe, not just how it drives.
This segment links the Aston Martin DB5’s cultural status to James Bond’s gadget-filled portrayal, where the car is more than transportation—it’s part of the fantasy. The “cool factor” is framed as coming from the tech and movie association rather than pure practicality.
"I thought you told me that the amc pacer was your it is but I mean that's that's the one from wames world"
The AMC Pacer is a quirky, boxy compact car from American Motors (AMC) known for its unusual styling and roomy interior for its size. In the segment, it’s referenced as a “poster car” and is tied to a humorous pop-culture description.
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Welcome to the Ebonz podcast. I'm Dan. I'm Nick. We're looking at Corvettes.
Aren't we always? Yeah. Yeah. Hi, Brian. Hi, Brian. That's sexy. Brian's back from the road and the other Brian, Brian Elich, bought, he got a new Corvette E-Ray.
He's not buying any more cars though. He's not buying any more cars. No. I like that he posted the Camaro that he just bought online and then literally went back in like a day or two later and went, oh, that didn't last long.
Yeah. Well, when you're in the industry like he is, he's not insane. Like he's in the industry. No, he's insane. He's insane. Yeah. Let's not get it twisted. But it's not like he's just some random person buying cars all the time.
He actually has access to these things, come across it better deals than we would ever see. So congratulations to him. That is a fast ride. Perfect spec. Yeah. Right on black.
That's an interesting, it's interesting that that was available. Like I feel like specs like that go fast. So yeah, I think it was a trade in or something. It has barely any miles on it. I know he drove back. Oh, I thought it was brand brand new.
Oh, maybe it is. Maybe it's just sitting new. I don't know. That's why I was wondering. He just drove back from the Acomotta day though. He took the fun way home and posted some awesome pictures. I was very jealous of it because it wasn't raining like hell over there.
He took a photo of his lovely wife driving. I was like, oh, she looks good in that. You should get one too. Yeah. His and hers. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.
He was a he was a really nice guy and offered up his truck for Sammy to take out at the women's off road. Oh, nice. After Brandon gave me crap about not being home or not being a better husband by having my truck at home.
So she could take it out there and get it completely sloppy. So I was I was happy about that. Apparently that was a heck of an event. They had a ton of people that showed up like it was fun.
Somebody and I think they took care of the hot dogs. Ton of water out there. More water than Michael said there was more water than they've ever seen. So that's it's it's good to know. I mean, as far as forwarding depths and things like that and making sure you're crossing safely.
So yeah, absolutely. Yeah, but I'd relocking properly. Yeah, that's exactly who's avoiding that. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so yeah, how you been Dan? Oh, not bad. You know, it's the constant.
There's a lot going on travel travel work life. You know, it is. So that's why that's why this episode is that's where there's a break between this episode of the last one is I'm still traveling. And so I'm in and out of the house and just not not settled in.
Yeah, we see you in passing. Yeah, we're laughing the fact that I think most of us see each other just driving somewhere like Brian and Sean to see each other like all the time all the time driving driving up some Amish Avenue.
So yeah, to the point to where she made a comment earlier of the fact that she hadn't seen me for a couple of weeks. So she was she was worried there was something.
You were traveling. Yeah, yeah, kind of a little bit down in California. I went down to California. I went I started off in Redmond first had a had a show down there left my truck at Redmond, Oregon, a Redmond, Oregon. Yeah.
Left my truck at buddy of mine, Joe, Joe Gambo's house and then flew home for a couple of days, did some laundry, then got back on the plane and flew out flew back down there, grabbed my truck and then headed down to Southern California for Overland, Southern Cal.
Nice. How, how does the overlanding area look this year? Like, I mean, the landscape. Yeah, I'm saying like, you know, are there, did you see less boost this year more boost like this is the first show really.
It is the first show of the year. It's an interesting question because I did have lots of conversations over the weekend about from people who have been in the industry for a long time and have watched the landscape change, you know, have evolved from one thing to another trends on here and there.
And one particular gentleman who
came up and we were talking about it Saturday, I think something like that. He was like, this is the same stuff like I'm seeing the same stuff over and over again. Like I just, it feels very repetitive. Like I don't need to see, you know, 400 different variations of an F 350 or F 450 or F 550, that's a half three quarters or a million dollars. Yeah.
That can only go to about 10% of the trails in the world. And then, then you've got the opposite side where you look at sprinters, you know, where there's tons and tons and tons of Sprinter builders now that are trying to build a better mousetrap on that side.
And the midsize truck is still, I still feel like is the next big trend and is slowly but surely coming up there. But honestly, and no offense to all the Toyota owners out there, I was tired of looking at Toyotas there.
They were everywhere. And it was just
That's always sort of been the base build for rock crawling and things like that. Yeah, but there was so many grocery getters and
you know, parking lot princesses that were parked there with carbon, you know, window fender flares and
carbon hoods and stuff like that. Like those trucks are never going to see any dirt ever. Yeah. Yeah. They get trailer in, they get trailer out and it's starting to feel like a
you know, a
It just doesn't have the impact of it, you know, but the crowds weren't small. The crowds were bigger than last year. They had more vendors last year.
I think 500 plus vendors, which is quite a few.
And then I saw numbers today for almost 20,000 visitors over the two days. Dang.
So that was very good. I mean, to see that many people there and to see the kind of impact. We personally spot changed
booth locations went to a larger booth
that included my truck inside of the booth
and
that was very
Positive for us, you know, even though you just do that so you can sleep in your booth. Well, that's true too. That's true. It's warmer. It's warmer. Yeah
But it the like I said, like I was saying the trends are so
There's a there's a stagnation right now
But there there's definitely a little bit of innovation coming in in
Some other areas, you know, like in electronics and in
Storage, I think people are trying to think outside of the box and just not be
Again, I'm just going to put a decked thing in their bed and just have drawers for days
Or I'm not a this or that. Yeah. Yeah. And so it's and I'm not either. I think of it more like for construction things like that
I want to touch on something on the cars when I go to those things and I see those builds
I always think like I would rather see a Toyota that's sitting there with dented rims
Same and and goes thinking the same next to the boost and the guy goes. Yeah, I use it instead of oh, we wheeled it off
You know, there was there was a big brand that came out that's out of indonesia
That has like fender flares for our trucks and they start making them out of carbon
and I'm like that is the dumbest thing I've ever seen because
I'm going to dent it like I mean
It really is like it. I mean for us we get pinstripes on our trucks all the time. Yeah. Um, I got some good ones this weekend and uh
I'm not shocked. Yeah about that at all and uh
And that's the whole reason I wrap my truck. That's the whole reason you hopefully will do something about your bed one of these days and um
And that's the real that's honestly the biggest motivation for me to put the topo stripes on there was to kind of
Draw your eye away from the sheer amount of pinstriping that I have going on on one side of the truck
Carbon flares are for g wagons. They really are. That's it. That's fine. Yeah, I mean
Nope, even the Baja teams aren't running carbon fiber. No like nobody cares that much about the weight like they run fiberglass, but
I mean, I guess apg off-road has a carbon like a heavy heavy duty like skid plate level carbon fender
But even that seems kind of odd to me
So obviously we're seeing a ton of inflation too. Like I was looking at the
wider fender flares for our truck because it was you know, but they want a thousand dollars for them
And then you want to get them here. It's another great. It's ridiculous
But I didn't mean to go off on that thing, but I'm saying like when I go to those shows
I like to see cars that have been I mean, it's the same thing like if I go to uh, uh, you know
A good guy's show. I love looking at a chivalre that's got rubber all over the back of it because it's been doing burnouts and things like that
Yeah, so the trend that I saw and I've seen here since the last show of last year to this year was
trailers
like people wanting to do some sort of trailer that's
You know specific so that they can outfit that properly like mammoth out of uh
Who are the guys in australia?
That kind of started that that have the toe behind trailers that are just insane. Oh, I know what you're talking about not a luma built
Um, I mean they are dolls got one. Yeah. Yeah, I know you're talking. I mean, they're full
You know, yeah four link suspension everything. Yeah that that kind of thing
So that's so you can't get it in your car. So you're gonna pull it behind your car
Yeah, so I start to see a lot of those with the proper trunk with the proper hitch on them
Uh, dometic has come out with a new trailer. Oh, so okay, so dometic and forerunner, you know, um, so those two are uh
frontrunner, excuse me, um
Those guys are are coming out with a trailer
And so that there's
There's that idea of having a nice rig
Toeing something behind it and then when you don't need to go do your overlanding you just leave your trailer at home and that kind of thing
Okay, or you can park your trailer somewhere on a trailhead and then I was gonna say this seems like a trailhead thing for me
Yeah, it's not a yeah
Then you can go on wheel you're like, you know go to moab and
Find your trail that you want to go do but you can't pull a trailer through it
You park your trailer and you go and do it. I don't know. I want to see the guy that tries to pull a trailer through it
Through hell's a bunch through hell's a wrench. That'd be great. Yeah
Yeah, I can't tell you how many people
Did not believe the fact that uh, I did hell's a vent on a stock ranger. Oh really? Yeah
I have people all the time that comment on the video or send me videos telling me it's ai things like that
Yeah, and it's funny because I watch all the other videos of people failing
On hell's gate like people with motorcycles and like short wheelbase stuff, which I understand why
Yeah, short wheelbase
I get it like but it's
Yeah, yeah, and the narrow wheelbase too those guys that can't fit those walls. I can't fit that in there
Yeah, but yeah, so many people like when I said, oh, yeah, I've done it before and they're like, I don't believe you
And I'm like, okay. Well, here's the video, you know, and then they go
And then I show yours. Here's my friend turtle. Yeah, and then I said no, I didn't I didn't share the turtle video
Yeah, but it's there's uh
In that particular area, you know, we're talking about orange county, which is you know, very affluent and you got people pulling up from san diego
People down from los angeles. Yeah
Um, and it and the show is about as least overland as you can get like it's probably 80 percent concrete
Yeah, you know, so most of us were all on asphalt or on very small patches of grass
But the enthusiasm and the sheer dollars that we're being spent were
Astronomical, I would think in that area. A lot of those people would have the sprinter vans and things like that
And a lot of them do. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of great off-roading in california. No, it's a huge
There really is. Yeah, yeah, so
um, we'll see the next show is in in may in uh in flagstaff, which is
uh, the
The quintessential
Overland venue for this because it's probably you're gonna be at the northwest one and in outside of lovingworth this year
And I haven't been approved to do that as a show, but I may just go and camp
Yeah, okay. I actually want to go this year. So I want to check that out. Yeah, it's it's so close
It's it's not you know, it's a great drive for the r8 too. Yeah
You know over over just take it take the r8. Yeah, it works. Yeah, it'll fit. Absolutely. It's fine. It's all
It's four-wheel drive. You don't need an oil pan
Totally so that was thinking. Yeah, he needs a carbon oil pan. Yeah carbon
much more, yeah, um, but lots of lots of interested uh
ranger raptor owners people or
People that are interested about becoming a ranger raptor owner, but just having a hard time finding rangers
Um, have they been to our neighborhood? I feel like most of them in Washington state are here
I think that we have the highest concentration. Absolutely. Yeah
um
sammy happened to watch one today run a red light and
proceeded to uh, send me a text and say
Oh bad ranger raptor with a with a with a waggy finger. Yeah
So we have our moments. We do have our moments. Yeah, but anyway, uh, it's uh,
It's a good trend. It's a good thing to see
It's a big part of automotive right now. I mean, obviously as we're watching
you know, uh
These companies we've talked about, you know, the car companies. I think who who who now abandon their their their full hybrid
Their full electric Honda's walking away from that Toyota's walking away Porsche's walking away
Yeah, Porsche's still like they're gonna downsize. They're going to the
The take on and what's the other one? I don't know the cross-tourism or whatever. I'd like the cross-tourism
Yeah, and then you know, you like things like tesla just bought but how many built 4.3 billion dollars with the battery cells from gm
um
You know, I think well, it's interesting because that battery technology
As much as it's coming out of cars is is huge in the overlanding because we need it for for power and things like that
These power banks and it's a it's a matter of, you know, but let alone doing it light weight and being because
You know, you you don't want to the more weight you have to haul up the hill the worse
Yeah, battle born and on optimum optima. I think it is battle born. Yeah, those two are the big
They're the they're the kings of battery technology for overland right now
Yeah, by far
Optima's been yeah, they've been forever
Yeah, the go-to they have some of the bigger roots there, you know, usually massive stuff going on there
We'll have more batteries in our area here pretty soon. That's fine
That's quite good. Did you hear about all that? We actually were talking about it. I did not go well
I heard it did not go well
If you don't know that they're talking about putting a lithium battery storage in stocholomy and
They had a town meeting and the town took over
Yeah, and literally ran quickly ran the guy out of it's quite quick. This is kind of local dudes
Not necessarily wants, but it was just kind of funny. Yeah. Yeah quite quite calm
It's really strange because all the reasons they would have for putting that there are not great. I'm like, yeah
Logically just does not make any sense in there where all those water ponds and where the ducks and yeah
Yeah, and it's lithium fires have happened at those
Doesn't happen. It's just yeah, there are places you could put one of those but yeah
um, and then I think the last thing um
Is every single
you know small
Parts kind of guys making them a starlink mount like you can't swing, you know swing a dead cat and not hit a starlink mount somewhere
You know it's everywhere. I mean obviously now with the mini being so accessible. Yeah under what's our sub 200 now
Yeah, they keep changing their monthly price just pissing me off
But did they change it again? Uh, if you're a new customer and stuff or 30 if you're in a high capacity area
It's harder now. Okay, but it's uh, yeah, it's just standby mode, but which is fine for me. I still use standby mode all the time
Yeah, I got furthered out. Yeah, I know you can gift a person or bring them in and you get a free month and things like that
But yeah, I've had some issues with mine lately
Actually, just because it keeps wanting to update and it keeps now telling me it's out of alignment
But as I'm driving it, of course, it's out of alignment, so right it's not going to be
So I think what I need to do is I need to have the trucks at level and I've got to have it
I've got to align it and then it should probably be fine again
I think it's just been some updates, but also it got knocked when it's magnetized at the top of the truck
But it kind of got some severe hits to it this weekend when we were up
Yeah, Brian and I and Michael and Megan went up to
Of the hot springs. Well, we went we walked we drove up to the parking lot of the hot springs in middle fork. Okay, which was
Okay, so you and I and we all like helping people, right? Sure
But if you go anywhere with Michael, he's always in search and rescue mode, which I love about him
Like everybody gets his help and and he's just so knowledgeable
But the funny thing is is when when you and I watch him get out of the truck
We know that everything that comes out of Michael's mouth is has been thought about he knows everything
But watching people that don't know who Michael is get out of the truck and be like you need to do this and they're like, huh?
Yeah
It was rather funny, but and every person and and and I hate to say and their Subaru was tried to get up to
Mailbox and you know that road was not plowed and then it was just all kinds of stuff up there
We ran into some lovely ladies that were up there and uh
GMC whatever the fully electric truck is like that's like the gmc
Deannally, whatever weighs 12 000 pounds. Yeah
So brian had to pull them out, but it was a beautiful drive up there
Absolutely beautiful. It looked really nice. Yeah, but I just like I said, I think my starling kind of got beat up
So
Did you guys go up that side road past the gun range?
Gun range well at the very end of the road
Oh, no, this I'm thinking north fork. You went middle fork. You went middle fork. Yeah
Yeah, we like where we got married where I got we got married where I got married
And then we went all the way up
And the funny thing is is we so as we came out of that parking lot there where we got married
We're going to go up to the hot springs there. We saw this truck parked on the side of the road and we get up about three more turns
and there are these
Four ladies that are decided they're going to walk up to the hot springs go to the hot springs which which once you get to the
Parking lot. It's another three miles to the hot springs back and oh, wow
They're walking up there and michael stops and's like, hey, do you guys need help?
Do you want to ride they're like sure we'd love a ride up there?
And and so we're all talking on the radio. It's like, oh, we've got room in our trucks
And I said the words like oh, Megan's got a puppy in her truck and I mean
You talk about an adult candy situation like these ladies all go running for her car
Well, they ended up all being like one of them was a vet when it was a vet tech
They were all oh, wow
And so and congratulations to Megan. She has a new golden retriever puppy who's adorable. It is adorable
It was fun. Like I said, it was a perfect day
I mean things were starting to melt but up in the mountains. It was nice and cool. Yeah
You don't realize that when you're up there in that parking lot like
like
You're pretty much level with like snow colony and an alpental. Yeah. Yeah, that's why you're a ways up there
Yeah, you just don't it doesn't kind of realize it, but it was a beautiful drive. I always tell people to drive up there
I think now obviously it most of it's been melted off, but
It's beautiful beautiful up that valley. Yeah. Yeah, there's not a lot of good places close by to go snow-wheeling
You have to get pretty far out there now
Well, we were going to go for 10 but for 10 was closed because of trees and things like that
You couldn't even get to green water. So that this was the backup plan
Which I was fine with because you know, we met at the safeways. Yeah, right, you know
Yeah, which is going to hell. I got there that morning. There was some Lamborghini Urus sitting in the parking lot
A beautiful spec by the way
You guys could appreciate speaking of supercars is the
Is the McLaren that I saw in los angeles with a paper plate
Uh, and I sent you a guy's a picture of it. Yeah, I was driving through LA and and I was like, look at this
A properly registered california supercar
And I didn't have them on there to play away after them apparently they're they're big crackdown, you know, yeah
Because that's the most important thing in california right now. Well, I saw it was the girl
It was a lady driving that car once I went past her
Which means she's following the rules and she was doing the speed limit and I was like, okay
That's interesting. So I went up a little faster and then her husband slash boyfriend. Whatever was in a gt3 rs
So, okay, you know, they were moving their cars super cars
Out of state
Yeah, yeah to a very sketchy neighborhood that yeah been in before but
Anyway, yeah, that was good. So what I'm I'm curious because I you guys are such car now
nuts is that what do we think of the apple f1 stuff together like
Do we like the integration of that or we like apples
Oh with with apple, I mean with apple and f1. I think
As an f1 fan, I I must say two things
I think f1 is so much more interesting this year because all the drivers hate the cars
The cars are smaller max for stappens not winning
It's it's kind of narrowed the field and I think apple coming into it helps. I don't have apple tv
Yeah, so I'm always just watching the highlights afterwards, but I mean
This year has been a total like dice roll
I think for that whole thing and now with the fact that they've canceled two races and and most of you are like, oh, they canceled two races
There's people are gonna be sitting there going they want their money back like those are two huge races
I understand why they canceled them. Um, yeah, you know, but uh, I kind of it's kind of interesting to watch the dumpster fire happen because
Cars are smaller. They're they're not driving well. You've got outie who's actually doing decently
You know Cadillac's been in there. Um, you got the two new teams that nobody wanted. Um, right
It's kind of interesting. I find the whole, you know battery charging to discharge to everything
Like they literally have to power manage those cars a lot more than they could before
um
I find that I find that very interesting just to watch that side of it. That's the whole other
Should show of it, you know compared to for staven like
Getting oh this year's drive to survive when it comes out next year will be amazing
It will be because it'll be nothing but him pissing them on it and then having
You know, yes, christian horn are like somehow weasel his way back into it. Uh with alpine. It's
I find it. I find it interesting. So what's your opinion? Uh
I'm surprised they're putting i'm surprised apple stepped up for that for one
Well, look how much money they put into the f1 movie and they just want an oscar for it
Right. Yeah, I'm just surprised to see the the streaming. That's such a huge acquisition for apple. Yeah, I'm glad
I think it's a good platform. Um, I'm nothing against apple tv. I'm tired of subscriptions and in general in general
Yeah, but
I don't know. It's nice to see big companies big tech getting into that because that's a huge influx of cash
Yeah, so I'm all for that. I'm getting microsoft's been in it. They're yeah
Yeah, anytime anybody comes into a sport like that and puts in a influx of cash. It's good for the
It's good for the fans. Let's put it that way. So even if it even if it is
Think about it from the reverse side. Yes, it might be anybody wants to pay for a stream
There's another streaming subscription, but at the same time it is good for the sport
Um, this is bringing it to the masses apple being, you know, the flagship for everything mobile. Basically
This is a good good play for it for them
I think if you wanted to see f1 boom, they need to go backwards
Uh, the drivers are tired of the tech. I'm tired of the tech. Um, that's uh
I understand why they're doing it and I'm I'm I think it's stupid
I think if you want to get f1 and racing back kill it kill the hybrid bullshit bring the cars back
Yeah, bring and I don't mean like go archaic
v10s v10s v8s
Yeah turbos give them manual transmissions like make it go back back back back
You would have some of those guys could even shift a car. I don't think they could yeah, that's kind of my point
like I want to see
Um, right now things are so tight manufacturer to manufacturer. I think you would have a lot more interesting races
I think you would have a
How do I say this in a nice way?
You don't have to um, no, I'm trying to think of like the right way to say it not just not just and I say it
It's not just a nice way. It would be an influx of like
Going back to the the steve mcqueen
Like um the days of where it's like
You're going to be a pretty fucking manly man to drive a car like that with no power steering manual transmission
Your brain is going as fast as it ever meant
You're going to the cars are going to be fast too, but I'm not talking about going back and making it unsafe
I'm like keep the halo the stuff that's saving lives. I want to see level it in there
But I want to see drivers more engaged less computers the technology is cool
I mean, so you're talking to someone who loves tech right, but like I'm we're getting so far away
We're getting so close to riding that robotic line that I want to bring it back to like
Throw somebody in there and make a man handle that car around on a track
If you're a woman that can do it great nothing against it
But back to the days where you could smoke whether we were feeling your car. That's right. That's right. Yeah
Oh, trust me. I am all about bring back cigarette and liquor sponsors to those things. That would be the shit
Yeah, I don't care like I just want to watch sports be entertaining again. Honestly, I'm not gonna lie
I actually get pretty bored watching f1. I don't watch it that often. I'll watch highlights more than I'll watch a race because I'm just like
I'm really not that into anymore. I love this drive to survive. I like watching the highlights
But it's just I just I get bored watching it and it's one of the things I love about motorcycle racing
Well, yeah, I don't know because it's his way is I think way more entertaining. It's way more entertaining to watch
Supercross is way more entertaining to watch. I will and it's like there's no tech in that right? Is that oh, there?
There is. Oh, yeah, there's a lot of control. There's ABS all that stuff like I don't want to see that leave because it's one
It's safety too. It makes better faster lap times like it's cool to see that
but motor gp like you bring up is especially great to watch because
That is a
Hardcore body game the same with like I think the peep the pinnacle of that is not motor gp. It's isle of man
That's a little too extreme people die way too often. It's amazing
But it's like, you know, I want to go back to the old days of like
How do you drive with your balls that big? Yeah, because
It's how do you sit? How do you sit on the seat with your balls that big and that some of that new enduro stuff?
Like yeah, right. Oh my god. If you've ever watched the red bull enduro series like the the stuff out of romania the trans
Yeah, romania, actually kind of stuff like that kind of stuff gets me something
Part of the joy it's sort of the same thing about watching the olympics part of the joy
Is you look at like that is not possible for human being to do that
Exactly do it and that makes it all the more amazing and I think
You would see that in racing a lot where it's it's sort of the same appeal nascar has
Yeah
This is like it's it's not that there's not a lot of tech in nascar if you've been around nascar
You know, there's a ton of tech in nascar, but it's
Pretty rudimentary as far as the cars go and it's they're still lapping at 200 plus miles an hour like I want to see more turns
But at the same time they got a sonoma once a year. Yeah, sonoma. Yeah, yeah
But I really think you would see like an insane surge in racing if they had that come back
Into a level of like formula one to say that one of the most exciting
Couple of days I've ever seen for motorsports period and I've watched rally. I've watched
You know f1 I've seen all that stuff
But it was moto gp when we were we were in austin and moto gp
Um, you know rossi was racing all these other guys and and it's just the sheer amount of
it's like going to
You know a brazilian soccer game or something like that where the entire place just goes completely bananas
But in the heart of austin, which is
You know as texas says you can get
barely
Um
But you still have these um rabid fans for the for these for these riders
But it's exciting stuff like it is super super super exciting and it's low tech low ish tech
Compared to an f1 car. Yeah
You know
I mean
I
Glad to see some oh, I mean that's the whole point of this podcast and like brian introducing this topic's the fact that like
I know there are people that are loving this season and they love the new cars and they you know
But I think it's a challenge. I think I think things are different. So but I wouldn't I mean the sound of hearing a v8 or a v10
Like yeah, that would be amazing. I just you know, I grew up
I grew up watching for the one and loving it and you know when we were when I was in the motorcycle shop
I was the guy who brought in tapes of everything. So we would always have videos playing and then dvds
And we would I would bring in rally. I would bring in formula one
I would bring an isle a man
I'd bring in whatever like motorsport cool video clip I could and like man some of that
Especially I would bring in the highlights of the the the years like way before my time
Man that was exciting to watch part of it was the danger
But part of it was the skill like if you've ever seen you know the senate is a legend for a reason
Yeah, and so same with laura like watching those guys race is really amazing
Have they doubled the speed on the a la man over the years like to the point where they're going double what they used to?
Not really
They're significantly faster than they used to be but it's not double because I mean there are sections where they were going over
They are going over 200 miles an hour though now, which is and jumping at
And inches from the side of that road inches from kerbs inches from people
Yeah, you know just I've been I've been in some fast cars and done some fast stuff
but
Watching stuff go by I can't imagine doing that in a helmet like yeah
Oh, the tunnel vision is real. I mean I've ridden bikes at 150 plus and the tunnel vision is real doing that
Yeah, and it's I can't imagine doing it. Yeah, like without you know for me
It was like one quick blip and I'm like nope. Nope. I'm gonna die
I saw the number it counts
I saw it. I saw it. Yeah, it's easily flashed your own headstone. You're like wow
Yeah, it's different on the track, but it's that's not a track. That's a shut down road with stone walls stone walls that were built
Uh how many centuries ago? So yeah, we still need a carter tip. I was just saying do you have a carter automotive tip of the week?
Yeah, actually, this is kind of a fun one. It's it's sort of a story more than a tip. Um, let me bring it up here. It's um
so
Speaking of motorcycles is my favorite sound of a motorcycle is a v4
And then that's this goes back to the Honda RC 45 days and then the the Prelia is um, and then
Ducati's yeah, but but it was actually the Honda RC 45 that made me fall in love with it
It's one of the I think the best sounding motorcycles actually have v4. It's just there's a
Certain synchronicity to the way those pistons fire that just goes oh when they're screaming or the race pipe
Oh, man, do they sound good?
You get all that thunder of like a v-twin, but all the high pitch
Of a super sport bike, but there aren't a few cars that run v4s or did they do not now
um
Okay, i'm learning
So and the funny thing is is all but one of them run forward engines
Ford was the one who was running v4s. Um, and it's all ford europe
Yeah, so ford transit mark one
I would kill to have one of these by the way if you've ever seen a ford transit mark one. I'm just gonna show you guys
Yes 100%
Oh, yeah, where is it?
I want to hear one of the coolest vehicles ever somebody in that paint scheme too. Yes in that paint scheme
I want to import one of these just do this. Yeah, think of like a subcompact truck
dually
Yeah with the v4. Yeah, so this is 1965 swollen forehand. Yep
sob sonnet two 1967
And then we've got
Which is and then lancy of folvia 1963 also a really beautiful car by the way. I love the lancy of folvia
Yeah, um, and then the ford capri mark one 1969
And then matra m530. So these are all very little obscure cars, but uh,
Very cool stuff. The capri was a u.s. Car, though
Yeah, uh, yeah, I guess they did have these the capri mark one. No, this was this was the europe mark one in the 60s
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I don't think any of these ever made it to the u.s. Market
Not officially anyway. Wow. So so yeah, it's a very rare engine to find in a car
Uh, they're not really efficient for cars. They're kind of
From what I have gathered they're overly complex to run well
and
And there's a lot of engines like that. Yeah
There's a lot of vibration with a v4 because you just don't have the length of the balance shaft needed to smooth it out
So these are there's a reason they aren't used very well
But it is kind of interesting to know that there are a few cars that ran v4s and ran them
So did you did you see a video recently and made you think of that?
Well, no, I was actually looking at bikes not for myself just going through
Um, I forget some youtube recommendation came up that thing knows me way too well. It's a dark hole
Yeah, and so I was looking at v4 bikes and I was like, man, what other v4s are out there?
because I was just going on that rabbit hole because I just
Like they're much more common in bikes. Um, and so and then sure enough then this video came up as a
Side thing of like cars is before it's like, I didn't know I can't think of a single car with a v4
Yeah, the more you know, yeah, you remember. I don't remember whether it was the 80s
Maybe it was 80s Honda came out with that straight six the cbx. Yeah
Great engine actually. Yeah, super smooth. Do you ever seen that straight six cylinder bike? Yeah, yeah
It's stuck out from the tank probably what about
Eight inches to yeah, yeah that outside cylinder was out there not as far as like a bmw
But yeah, it was out there and it had the most beautiful sound. Yep amazing
It was actually it was actually a very very good bike and engine. It's just bulletproof design. Yeah, it's super heavy
But super heavy. It's a great cruiser though. Yeah. Yeah
Yeah, it was uh, it was trying to come out there with uh, you know before the gold wings were like really starting to move down the path
Um, and Honda was trying to make some sort of super sport bike
but
Yeah upright handlebars, you know, like you're not gonna go very super sport
If you are if you are a fan of obscure engines go down the motorcycle rabbit hole
They have tried everything in a motorcycle and far more recently than people think you have this zuki re5 rotary
You had the cbx is the popular one obviously the gold wing with its flat six flat four before that and then which is
An awesome bike by the way the gold wing
Any gold wing there's a reason they have a cult following. They are so good to ride
Yeah, you could like that's the only some of the original aspen kates and stuff like that
Yeah, and then of course you've got your harley v twins air cooled forever. I mean, which is with a belt drive transmission
Yes separate from the like you want to go down the just a weird configuration
They're not that uncommon. You will find weird stuff on there
I want that one from dodge that they put the viper engine in remember when they when they brought out the dodge
Yep, the viper that was a different boss hog of boss hog bikes
V8, yep 302s start then all the 350s. Yeah
Yeah
Yeah, don't let my don't let my thighs touch the inside. Yeah, you had to cut training wheels on that
Absolutely people from yeah turbo charge two strokes. Yeah, you name it. It's all sorts of stuff
I still say that with people putting turbo chargers on high boosts. I was like, why like why do you want to die?
Now you've got a factory one with Kawasaki. I know that is insane. Yeah that war
I mean
But still miss that somebody's buying it still miss those original r ones those two stroke r ones that were just
Screaming fast bikes. Yeah, there's a let's not go down that rabbit hole
But if you want to look at a very different engine configuration actually people should look at the r1
It doesn't use the same configuration
That's a straightforward everybody thinks. Okay, it's a straightforward. It's not it's actually it's a different firing order
It's an incredible engine. Yeah, Yamaha's
No slouch when it comes to building performance engines
They've they've done if you look at how many cars have run motorcycle engines or Yamaha not motorcycle
Have you run Yamaha engines? There are a lot. Yeah, uh the Ford Taurus SHO
Probably enough of all of them. Really is a Yamaha engine and I'll drive an engine unless that company makes a piano
That's always
Steinway, I want a
Yeah, cool
What else? Oh, I've got a couple of texts. I always love it when the audience texts. I don't care what it's about
It's just fun to interact. I love hearing from you guys
Um, thank you guys for engaging in last week's episode on on like, yeah, so many people that have forerunners and again
We don't like foreigners. This like forerunners
Several of us just privately like why are you going after for I'm like, I'm not if you listen to the episode
It's we love them. We're not what said
So and by the way speaking of that you were saying the Volvo
Oh, yeah, the the worst list for consumer reports worst cars list the Volvo ex 30 has already been cancelled after two years
Because everybody hated it. So apparently this is an influential podcast
Yeah, the Swedes can't get it right. Yeah, right
Tam Swedes. Yeah
Yeah, so that was a good two year run Volvo. Good job making a car. Everybody knew would fail. Um
There there's something to look at the
The marketing departments of automotive companies
And maybe hit them over the head a few times because there are some really obvious start with jaguar
Yeah
Work your way back. Yeah, that is guaranteed to be a future economics case study in a class. Oh god. Yes. Like, yeah
I don't think anybody's put more nails on a coffin. Let me show you exactly what not to do
Yeah, they had to put a nail on a coffin
They grabbed the nail gun put it on full auto and went all the way around the edges
They just kept refilling the clips. Yeah
It's good
The term clip. Thank you
Welcome
Yeah, so the somebody
Well, this person messaged us and said, hey, did you know that we talked about this for the chinese bike qualified in the front row of philip
Island, that was the zx mono. That was uh, pete nielsen. I just wanted to give him credit
Thank you for messaging us tall guy corgi older wrangler. Yeah, we know you pete. Thank you. Um, now you should say the car
Yeah, yeah, yeah, josh hanson messaged us this week that we said after the off-road day
He did a bunch of photos by the way. That's how you guys know josh
He does awesome photos and thank you for your work josh
Like those photos make a huge difference for avance and you have being there and taking those like
I don't know if we tell you how much we appreciate that enough because we do like we think about it
We appreciate you. It is a big deal. We love our photographers. Yeah. Yeah next thing about you a lot. What?
Uh, I said after the off-road day it was reminded how much I wish we got the diesel grenadier
I know what brandy brought is out
I said and tonight with I wonder with the def and epa changes
I wonder if that could happen
That is that's a good question. That's a good question
If we're starting to start seeing more diesels come over because those you can get a diesel over there
Yeah, you were mentioning that some places in the south are just taking them out
Oh, yeah, tons of people are they're just removing def entirely from the systems and there was actually a senate hearing about this. Um
Literally there was a senate hearing about how bad def has been for vehicles
About 80 percent of repairs to diesels are
Caused by the failure in the emission system 80 percent
And so they are
And it's if you look about that that has not been better for the environment
At all. Uh, and so now because those laws are basically non enforceable
Uh, there is no check to see if you have emissions in certain states at all
So not only are people removing the def systems and aren't moving teleconverters
They're just removing the def injection because this comes up everything and then the diesel particulate filters
and so not just consumers but
Like state people working for the states and for the government are removing them as well
Because it's taking down their fleets too often to repair them all the time
So there's huge like there's your multi-year long waits to remove this stuff because it didn't work and finally
Yeah, but you're up against the software in the car. You can be you can be but yeah, you know
So we had dinner I was having dinner with somebody on saturday night
And we were talking literally about removing def from and this is in california where emissions are like
Stupid everything right with them. They want def on your front. Yeah, I got you
Yeah, it's like you show up to get your cars mugged and you know, you don't have your def stuff in there
That's going to be a big deal right on a jail
So it's interesting to hear that you you know, there are states that are pulling their stuff and there's a lot of fleets
You know like big fleets that have
Nothing but diesel stuff. Yep. That's exactly what this is talking about
They're pulling this on large vehicles as well
So and because of this what def is really bad at is short trips
It's long trips. They can burn hot and long enough to where you can usually clean it out
But a lot of like people think of semis is running across the country
But that's not all semis do they run county to county to move things from factory to factory all day long
They give your gravel trucks in your local area like they're some of them here run in a mile
You know and that's when things get really bad
So these huge huge corporations are gutting all of these things because it's just it's too expensive to have the downtime
and so
Good, they're not again
They're not co-rolling these things. Nobody wants that. They don't want it either
But they're they don't want unnecessary intervention. So
Yeah, yeah
Gold efficient government. We should make it bigger
Okay
That's an option. Yeah, let's not go the other side of that's an option too. I'm just
We'll be a new equal opportunity show so yeah, we're not gonna jump on it. We're not gonna jump on that line
Right here to save us all it'll be fine. Yeah
I'm from the government and I'm here to help you
Words never uttered by anyone, right? Why did you draw your gun so fast? I don't know reaction
Dan sounded like a threat wow crossing lines here crossing lines, but it needs more sleep, right?
I need more guns
Okay, anyway, uh, yeah
You had a good question earlier. We got some time. I want to talk about it
What's that? What was the question? What's holding on? What do you think the most beautiful car ever is?
That was my question. Oh
I forgot
We were having this conversation. This came up. This came up. I think either jalapnik or somebody
Every it comes up about once every six months people and it creates a good online conversation. Yeah
Yeah, I think it's because everybody has their own vision of what they think is is pretty
Yeah, I think it largely depends on your generation
Correct, and it largely depends and and I found that
Certain shapes are consistent in theme. Even if the car is not the same
I've looked at I was looking through these a while ago a long time ago
And I remember having this conversation with somebody else is people it's
The shape relatively is the same people say the most beautiful car. They made a bench different may mention different vehicles
Yeah, but the ones that pop up the the most often 250 gto p4 ferrari lamborghini mira
um vintage corvettes jaguar
Um
The xj. Yeah, yeah the old xj. Yeah, I guess I guess is it not xj is it? No. Yeah xj2 20. Yeah
Yeah, um, that's a big popular one. Um, a clarin f1 comes up a lot even though I think it's an amazing car
Not the xj. I was talking about the original jaguar the v12, right? Yeah, that enzo said that enzo ferrari said it was the most beautiful car
How are we not remember this the f type?
Is that an f type? No, it could be an f type. It's the xj2 20, right? No, that's the xj2 20 is the super car
Yeah
It's I just think jaguar v12 from uh, that's uh, yeah, I mean, uh
From she's out of control
They're throwing it way back by the way. Wow
Austin powers this jaguar
Yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, well, then you're talking about you could go back to like, you know
And this is the point like Austin has some martins
You know, yeah the db5 before
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think Dan's right. There is a certain shape to these things these these long nose
Short body curvy fenders the 250s the jags the astens. Yeah, yeah
Okay, could be
So I think my pick would be just because I I really have always wanted to have one of these is a
E-type thank god. Why are you on an E-type roadster? Why is it any other time you would ask that question? I know right?
Okay
Yeah, that's okay
I can't remember the year. I think it's either a 67 or 69 mock one
Mustang yeah, my dad had one bright yellow
That my mom used to love to do burnouts in in front of the house on the way down the street and drove him crazy
But what was neat about that car was the you know, the turn signals built into the hood
The indicator is built into the hood just the whole line of that car with the you know having its own spoiler
It was
A beautiful car and I've always wanted to you know, like that would be the retirement car. Yeah, like
um, that's a good one and uh
And then the first thing I ever drove was a you know, was a ford falcon
With a with a broken column shifter when I would think I was like maybe eight or nine years old driving on my dad's farm
um
You know those old trucks were just like they were the greatest things ever
Yeah, anyway, that's my pick. Okay
Dan um
I
Go back on I really love the Ferrari p4 your original p4 is one. I think just
It's it's funny because there's cars. I think they're the most beautiful
They're not the most desirable to me, but they're cars. I will look at like art
I could just want to sit and stop and stare and it just admire
Well, most of us want cars we can drive but these i'm talking about a car you really wouldn't drive exactly would sit in your living room
Yeah, um, yeah
The lamborghini mirror
Oh, yeah, especially the not the espada
Especially the sv
Oh
With the gold wheel red with gold wheels. Yeah, actually my favorite one. I've ever seen is
Very polarizing my favorite mirror. I've ever seen was it was the green one with the blue and tear of course. So yeah
Yeah, or so that might be the most beautiful car I've ever seen
um
Mercedes-Benz 300 to sell gold wing. Yeah, the original is just
It's so perfect for the time
Like everything about that just screams like classic fifties
It's just it's just a guy. It's just a time capsule of a car and then the astad martin db5
um, yeah
That one though, I don't know. It's that one appeals to the engineer in me engineer slash james
Yeah, the kid. I really think it's probably going to be the p4 of the mirror though
And I don't know which one forgot about the p4. That's such an iconic car. Yeah with that rear clamshell. Yeah
yeah, it's just
Different, I don't know. Yeah, it either either one of those
This is funny because they don't it's funny most beautiful cars not the coolest car like the cool factors a totally different car for me
You know, yeah, well, I mean, I think the cool factor pulls into the db5. Yeah, exactly
You know, I mean we talked about that the astad martin event
It's the fact that like the reason that car was so cool is the gadgets and james bond drew the coolest spy in the world drove it and
You know, yeah, yeah, I think
That is one of the few cars the db4 or the db5
The classic astad martin is the pinnacle of timeless drive it car
Like I don't care who you are
You're gonna something like that's gonna pull up and somebody knows you're driving it's something special
It could be the first car they've ever seen
No, no like as a kid even like if you even if you're a little kid you look at that you're like wow
And I think that's one of the few cars that
Like everybody appreciates. I don't know anybody who does not like an classic astad martin. It's just stunning
Yeah, and everybody looks good. We don't want to be friends with those people. Yeah. Yeah
Fair enough
I would love to hear the audience's option. What is the most beautiful car to you? Yeah, I agree. I want to really want your feedback
Yeah, will they align? I think that I think that's gonna say Tacoma
1979 Ford Granada in granny apple green. Oh, yeah
That being said, uh, you took all the good answers
But I I have a very specific car in a very specific color
And it's because it's the 250 gto, but it's in that mint green the one. Oh, yeah
I think it's owned in in oregon. It used to be that car 100 percent
And then right real close would be the white 250 gto that is now being coming so famous with david lee that was locally here
But yeah, the 250 will always be my my poster car
I thought you told me that the amc pacer was your it is but I mean that's that's the one from wames world
That's the one like where you put on a diaper and you know to take a mullet and just you know, yeah
In your pinto and take a bath. Yeah
in milk
No, yeah, I think that's you know, but I think like you said it's there is a shape to all these cars
There's there's something about them that the long nose
I will say that p4 just threw me like because I was like, oh, that's a damn good one. Yeah
That's always been one of my favorites, but yeah, yeah
Cool hips hips
They're wrong with hips. Everybody loves hips
Yep hips
944s. All right, we need to stop that. Yeah. Yeah
I'll be in the garage
I'll be warm. Don't worry. Yeah. All right. Well, that's that's that's this that's this week's question is what is
Your pinnacle? What's the most beautiful car you think was ever made? There's no wrong answer. No, you don't have to justify it
Um post the picture post the picture. That's you know, we want to see yeah cool
All right. Well, brian, thanks for stopping by. It's always good to see you. We missed happy to come by
Yeah, you know, I'm local you're looking
See you at the safeways. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I had to come by and say hi to shawna
She was she was happy to see
All right. Well for this episode of advance podcast as always i'm nick i'm dan and don't just get there. Enjoy the drive
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