Porsche 992 Build-Off 🔥 Sports Car vs Supercar Debate | Ultimate 3-Car Porsche Collection

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Went to make the car, the length that they went to make the car special, I thought was

pretty cool.

And I think the reason that people don't like them is because it's the most uncorvette

Corvette ever.

The engine doesn't sound like a Corvette at all.

It sounds very exotic almost, very different.

And I think that really is why people don't people don't get it.

Well, it's kind of like the Mustang SVO when they took the Mustang, they pulled the five

liter out and they put a turbo four that was actually faster.

But that was very like European cause worth.

Yeah, same as 718 Cayman versus when they put the turbo charge motors in versus the flat

six ones.

Well, I mean, we're going to talk about something crazy today as soon as we officially start

to show that new Rouge flat V8 thing that guy.

Is it Rouge or is it Rungy?

I don't know.

You go with it.

You're the one that knows the dude.

Is it Rungy?

I met him.

Is it the same guy in Minnesota?

It is.

Who like hand hammered it.

He's such a nice guy and he's so like, like literally when I was talking in the notes,

he's like the Bob Ross of auto building.

He makes it sound like you could grab an English wheel and a chunk aluminum and make something

no problem.

Like, hey kid, hey kids, it's really easy.

Just get some milled aluminum.

I like T7 324 and you know, just a happy accident.

That's different than specter.

That's different than specter Porsche, right?

No, Casey, I put it in the WhatsApp.

You should read about this flat eight.

You'd think it was badass.

I'm sure you would.

Yeah.

I saw the release.

I didn't get too deep into it though.

It's crazy.

I figured you would enlighten me today and you could see the surprise on my face.

I know I'm all about it.

As we diverge from the Corvette, the problem I just had and I like the motor and I love

the romance of the ZR1 is such a cool story and it's so innovative and what Jason explained

was great.

But what I had a problem with is just that I know they try to make it for everyone, but

the build quality is such garbage.

It's like they continued the American mid-70s malaise era and just said, all right, we're

going to build this.

They spent all the money hiring.

Is it Yamaha or Mercury?

Yamaha, right?

Paul, that's like an ancient car now.

I know, but it was shitty new.

It was.

Yeah, but that shitty new 30 years ago, I mean, kind of have a hall pass.

I mean, what were you doing 30 years ago?

You had some rough edges.

I had an Acura Integra and the build quality was far better than that.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess you could look at my 964 versus this thing, but what would be awesome, and

I was talking to my tech the other day when we were working on these things is I said,

it'd be really great because so many of these are mothballed, right?

So many of these have no miles on them.

Like the one that I'm listing is 4,000 miles on it, right?

Don't you wish they did that to 964s so we could have a whole bunch of 964s now with

no miles on them?

Just that brand new car experience, I was talking to Trevor the other day and he was

talking about Zuckerman's recent acquisition, the 964 Targo with like 4,000 kilometers on

it.

Like what an amazing thing to be able to experience that car as if it were new.

Would you drive it though?

Well, I mean, I see cars like that come up and they always sell for like a 50% at least

premium.

And what would you do with that if you had it?

I drive cars with no miles on them all the time.

Well, but I mean-

Because they don't blow up?

Yeah.

You wouldn't take it on a rally like I do.

No.

I mean, it's probably all relative though.

If you had a zillion dollars and it was, you like that brand new like time traveling

experience, maybe you would.

Yeah.

I think it's all relative.

I obviously, I mean, you know, the more money you have hypothetically, the less you care,

but the irony of it is, is in order to have a lot of money, you had to have really cared

about the money and generally speaking, you don't wash that out of your hair over time.

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We're really drilling down a lot of fun topics.

What did you do in cars this week, automotive news?

What's, and this is a pickup on Chris Harris and Friends podcast.

What's the difference between a super car and a sports car?

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I really do believe that's going to be a great topic and we're having fun with the ultimate

Porsche 992 911 build off with a maximum budget of 225, but you couldn't have just hit the

easy button and gotten poverty spec 911 T. So we had a lot of really fun builds.

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All right, so guys, let's jump into the first question.

What did you do in cars this week?

All right.

Do you want me to go first?

I'll go first.

Yeah, sure.

Go ahead.

I went on a rally, my first rally since surgery.

It was a blast.

I didn't get to do it.

This is a group of us at the Roosevelt Bridge in Dam.

And you can see in the upper right corner, probably the prettiest car of the show was

a Maserati Bora followed by this beautiful E type.

There's a cool Datsun.

And it's a group of guys and gals, there's probably about 30 of us that go on this rally.

And I was obviously in our rental Turo-McCon, which actually performed flawlessly with me

and my dad and all our crap, 5,000 pounds and 250 horsepower four cylinder.

And honestly, I could keep up with a 3.8 in a G body.

So that's amazing.

They're awesome cars.

For three days of it, we got to experience this, like the heaviest rain.

This is outside of Marenchi, the largest copper mine.

Look at the river going through that we're driving through.

And that was mild.

It got to a point where it was crossing the entire road in about hub depth.

And then, but, you know, everyone was wishing they were in my Makan.

But everyone came through like a champ.

I mean, look at the rocks we had to cross in the road.

Wow, that's incredible.

And this is my favorite shot that one of the people on the show took.

Look at that, the Maserati Bora climbing through the rocks.

I mean, it was, it was treacherous.

Look at that launch of Delta kind of tiptoeing through GTV.

There's the E type.

There was a like a late 70s Transam.

Our friends Jay and his dad, John, we called them Deer Hunter

because they hit a deer with their E 36.

You know, the normal, if you've been on rallies, the normal roadside fix.

But probably one of the coolest things was we went to lunch.

And one of our friends, he was owned a company in the 80s and 90s

that made video games.

And we had lunch with Ivan Stewart right there.

Ivan, the Ironman Stewart, you know, he's got four Baja 5000

championship wins over 88 wins off road.

I mean, I was.

So here's the best part is my dad says, I talked to our friend, John,

who knows, who knows Ivan.

And he goes, John said today at lunch, he's got a special guest.

It's some famous race car driver named Ian.

And I was like, you know how it is, Dave, you go on a rally.

If you get separated from the group, you'll never catch up.

And I'm like, we had this cool restaurant we were going to go to.

This was in Flagstaff.

But he really wanted to go to this sort of college town bar pub that

I just hate pub food.

And I was like, I don't know.

I go, OK, and then we get there.

And I'm like, dad, what?

How do you not know Ivan, you know, you know, Ivan Ironman Stewart?

And so basically he had developed that game, the famous arcade game

with the three wheels nitrous.

I mean, if you. Yeah.

And and him and Ivan became friends.

If you go to my Instagram, he got Ivan to drive his car.

He took a 9-11 to car on the rally.

And Ivan had never been in a modern Porsche like in 30 years.

And if you watch it, he is just giddy with the power.

And he's he's off camera.

He's asking like, this can really go off road.

He's like, well, not like what you do with your truck.

But anyway, it felt good to be back in the saddle, back driving.

Paul, why don't you mention because not everyone knows

your your what you've dealt with this year.

So without going into any more detail than you feel necessary.

Why don't you let him?

Why don't you let him know?

Because really, when we started the podcast earlier this year,

you had no real health issues.

And then, boom, you got hit with a sledgehammer.

So let him know about it.

I think it will inspire folks on their own challenges.

Yeah, we all have crap in the in May.

Right after Lufthair Water found out a surprise.

I had bone cancer, a large tumor in my pelvis on the left side.

July 29th, 12 hour surgery, basically cut out about a third of my pelvis

and my hip and my femur, basically amputated my leg from the inside

and then put all new 3D printed titanium parts, stainless steel screws.

One doctor said he didn't think I'd ever drive a 9-11, let alone a manual.

The doctor I went to at UCLA, Dr. Bernthal.

He's the actor, John Bernthal's brother.

It's a long story there, but he, you know, now we're 12 weeks out of the surgery.

I was in the hospital for six weeks.

I got to go on my first rally, albeit in a Macon.

Yesterday, I got to sit in my 9-28.

I'm taking that to Radwood.

Yesterday, officially, no longer a fall risk cut off my, I passed this test.

I can actually walk, although it looks a little bit like the Monster Mash.

You just kind of.

Well, but Paul, they told you straight up, like you probably, you might not walk

again, let alone drive a car again.

And you, and you said screw you.

Not only that, I'm going to go in your whole goal with this is the inspiring part.

First of all, you're completely cancer-free and you're completely on the

mend and you had world record breaking, you know, recovery.

But your motivation was to get back under rallying.

That's the reason this is such a spectacular story is because you actually

accomplished your freaking goal, brother.

Yeah, no, it was.

I, I, this particular rally with a good friend and the right people, I just

had to do it and it's weird.

And Tim, you're, you're a big believer is like, it's hard to explain, but I

knew it would happen.

Like, I didn't know how it would happen.

I just knew it would happen.

Uh, and it wasn't until Monday, we left on Friday.

It wasn't until the Monday before we left that the doctor finally gave the approval,

you know, and he kept calling it a race.

And I'm like, no, we're on public streets, but, uh, my dad went with me and I

drove 95% of the time and it felt normal.

Um, and, uh, I, I'm excited that I can walk.

Um, next week, we're going to start working on getting into 9-11 or actually

we'll start with my BMW 1600.

You're ready for a Corvette with an automatic transmission.

Clearly that's where this conversation is going.

And we're going to talk about the 928, you know, the 928, how the hell was

getting in and out of that?

That is not an easy car to get.

No, it's surprising we were doing that yesterday with my big doors.

You nailed it.

It's got big doors.

It's a really wide openings and I have this cool little thing you put in the,

in the B pillar, you know, you open the door, there's like a metal hook and it's

this handle you put in there.

So you got an extra handle and then I have this thing where I hold my leg and

pull it in, but believe it or not, the 928 was the easiest to get in the, the,

because, and this is the hard part, I need to test drive these cars.

I have clients asking me, how does it drive?

You know, so for instance, this car is going to go live later today on our website.

And it's got these Corbo buckets that don't articulate.

They're just a fixed bucket.

Thankfully they slide back with harnesses.

It took me almost five minutes yesterday to get in the car as a passenger.

So my dad could drive it and I could just, you know, see, I, you know,

I give them instructions, go into first gear, do this, do that.

But I'm anxious to start driving just, just to tell people like this is what the car is.

But, you know, so that was a really hard car.

I can get in a 9-11.

I've done now, this is the second 9-11.

I just haven't driven them yet.

So, well, it's like it's impacted Paul, is it right or left left?

Left leg, left leg.

Okay.

So that's why your clutch problem.

I got it.

Yeah.

And actually, I don't, I can put a hundred percent of the weight on it.

I, you know, from a technical standpoint can handle, I just can't, my muscles

aren't there.

It's still numb.

It's kind of like you sort of think move, if you're sitting in your chair right

now, lift your right, you know, your leg up like a march.

I could do that with my right leg.

My left leg literally feels glued to the ground.

So it's baby steps.

Well, we're all cheering for you.

And it was really remarkable to see all your friends, especially in California

rally around you.

Very inspiring.

A lot of you guys listen to the podcast and watch us on YouTube.

So our boy here is on the mend.

So go Paul.

All right, Dave, you are next.

What did you do in cars this week?

Well, we've had a busy week, of course.

It seems like forever since we've been all together here.

But the car behind me was one that we delivered after a two-year restoration.

This is a 9-11, excuse me, a 356B coupe.

The story, the backstory on this car, which is so great, is that this couple,

the Jollies, lovely, lovely couple, Mr. Jollie just turned 80 years old,

just turned and he bought this car used in 1969.

And then it drove it for a few years into the 80s and then it went into disrepair

and sat in a barn or warehouse or garage somewhere for many, many years.

We took it to another shop somewhere in South Carolina a few years ago

and it just kind of languished there.

Ultimately, they pulled it and brought it to us.

And over the then following two years, we have fully restored the car

and we delivered it to them this last Friday, which was just a great.

They were just so lovely, such lovely people.

They were so excited, hugging one another.

They're just such a nice, nice couple.

So that was great.

It was a really great experience and they're going to take it to their church

and show everybody and just really enjoy these folks.

Dave, can I actually help you though you don't need my help finding more clients?

Because I actually saw that car when we were at your shop in our hillbilly car tour

and it was really spectacular.

And the story you are being a gentleman not sharing is essentially

the disrepair that the car was in when you got it from the air quoting other shop.

Right. So you but what really surprised me was the

and you can feel you talk about this if you want to

but the amount of money that you had that they paid for your shop to restore that.

And I remember when you told me I knew for a fact it was

half if not more than half of what a California shop would take.

And you got it done in, you know, at least twice as fast.

You got it done effectively in 24 months where most shops have a 24 month wait list

before you even get in in California and they charge twice as much.

So I don't know if there's much more for you to say, but that's kind of the whole story.

Thank you. I appreciate the ad there, Tim.

That's great. I'll make sure I write a check the full throttle talk here now.

No, it was it was a really great experience and these guys were just so wonderful.

It was a pretty rough car.

It was missing a lot of stuff, as you imagine.

And when they sit around for as many years as they do sometimes,

things just kind of walk away, disappear.

So we had to find a bunch of parts for this car to get it back on the road.

But there they it's a it was a bucket list item.

That's what the Mr. Jolly suggested.

A bucket list to get this car on the road while he could still drive it.

Yeah. And it was spectacular.

Honestly, it was beautiful.

I mean, great name for owners of that car. Right. Exactly.

Imagine being a jerk with the last name of Jolly.

I know they call up, they call up and like, oh, you're asking a lot.

But I can't say no.

They were just sweet though, really nice.

Casey, how about you?

What you doing cars this week?

It's been it's been a little bit quiet as far as really interesting stuff

that's occurred, lots of lots of life and family stuff has been occurring recently.

But I did I did have two interesting opportunities that I wanted to share.

We were talking a little bit about this before the podcast,

but we always joke about the ZR1 and I have a client that has one

and that I am working on putting together a listing for him.

And I've never experienced a C4 ZR1 before.

And I watched the Jason Camisa video.

I thought it was really interesting and kind of preparation for this.

And while it has, you know, traditional of the era GM build quality,

the engine in the car is really interesting.

It's not something that I've experienced in a in a modern car.

And I can see why people might be slightly put off

because it doesn't feel or sound like a Corvette.

And honestly, it feels and sounds a lot more exotic

than the traditional burbly sound of Corvettes that are people are used to.

And I thought it was it was really interesting.

It's the cars red over red with just over 4,000 miles.

And it's a it's a cool experience.

And I'm hoping that I can find a good home for it.

Hey, Casey.

The other thing.

Yes, sir.

So not everyone's going to know about the coolness of that motor.

So that had a Yamaha, Quad cam, 32 valve, crazy ass, all these.

Right. I mean, am I remember correct?

Yes. So it was if I'm not mistaken, the technology and engine was licensed from Lotus.

And then it was built by Mercury.

If I'm not mistaken, four GM, it was not built by GM.

And I know that if you watch the Jason Camisa video,

the a lot of the apprehension came from the

the people that built Corvettes because they didn't feel

that involved in the production of this car because it had such a different

drivetrain in it from what they were used to and was the ultimate motivator

for them to begin building the LS block.

So it's it's it's a really interesting.

The Jason Camisa video is fantastic

and definitely would recommend watching it.

It gave me a whole lot of knowledge about the car and how it worked.

But it was it was interesting.

It was really felt like being being that it's such a low mile car.

It felt really like being transported in time.

There was a GM soundtrack in between the seats that had, you know,

Eddie Money and all kinds of really cool, really cool stuff that came with the car

initially. And then the other thing that I did, there's a new movie out

called One of One, which is available on streaming services.

A number of people have told me about this.

Trevor from Parry Parry mentioned it on the podcast and I said,

heck, I'll give it a go.

And I watched it and I followed NATO engineering for a while on social media.

But it was really cool to see the story of how this company came together.

And it's 100 percent a recommendation that I would have for anybody

that wants to be inspired.

The the 907 or 908 or whatever that thing was in the video with that that flat

eight was about it was about as cool as it got.

There was this one shot down low of the car coming through cherry blossoms.

And it was it could have that that shot alone should have won an award.

But it was a really cool, really cool story of a family in Tokyo

that works on some of the most insane cars, including their own collection,

which included 250 Ferrari 250 LM.

The aforementioned, you know, plastic Porsche, they had a 911 R as well.

They were working on a bunch of 964s, including I think it was a ruby

star RS club sport, which was awesome.

Really, really cool stuff.

Sorry, Ruby Stone.

But yeah, really amazing, amazing movie.

100 percent would recommend.

So what's the name of that movie again?

So everyone can one of one.

I rented it on Apple.

I think it was like 499. Yeah, I've watched it twice.

Love it. 100 percent.

So fun. I mean, the OCD part, if you're OCD, doesn't it kind of just drive you nuts?

Like it just seems like buckets of parts laying around ever.

It's not it's not this like like sterile.

You'd picture like a sterile environment with things color coded

and laid out really pretty.

It just seems like they're sitting on paint cans, reaching around

in the in between the cracks of the concrete and dirt.

You know, they grab a bolt and they're like, all right, that'll work.

That'll do.

I mean, and there's like a nursery school next door

and they're doing work outside and it rains and they go in.

I I don't know.

I mean, they ever want to watch the sausage being made.

That's all I can say.

No, and it's like from the side, too.

It's like someone going into the bathroom in a kitchen

and then you go in after him like there's no way to wash your hands.

What the hell?

It's just that was the only part, but lovely story.

That was great.

Have you ever been to a shop other than where they make new porches,

for example, or any new cars?

That's as you described, because every single shop I've ever been to

reminds me of the one in that one on one movie.

Where have you been that's so meticulously clean?

Well, like when you go to Canapa or some of these high end builders

that are working on through LM cars.

Yes, I've been to shops that are just working on just your regular 9-11

and they look like greasy spoon diners and that's fine.

But like, I don't know if I've ever been to a shop with like an F 40.

And then it looked like it was sitting in the back of a Jiffy lube.

I mean, it's boxes on it.

I mean, yeah, it's a clean shop right there, guys, just just for the record.

That's not a bad shop.

No, that is but that's what for the kind of work you do.

That's what you expect.

And that was the weird thing is they've been around for us like a century

and you would think somewhere down the line, they would go, you know,

we ought to clean this place up a little bit.

Come back in a century and we'll let you know how this is held up.

How would you decide what to throw out?

Right. I mean, you're going to be by the way, did you notice how many

Casey, how many old classic minis?

They had classic minis fricking everywhere.

They let them have in the rafters.

They had it sitting everywhere.

It's like the mini was the backdrop to every scene.

And if you went to they showed a scene with the the the person who's in charge

now got it from his father who took the business, you know,

and his story about how he grew the business is insane.

But what what they showed is like he he's wealthy.

They showed his little peak of his lifestyle like in Tokyo.

Like he doesn't live above a shop like they used to.

He's got like this beautiful place.

And it's so funny that sort of split where he lived.

He he's like slumming at the shop.

And then he lives this like very clean Tokyo minimalist elegant lifestyle.

And I just thought, like, wouldn't that creep over to cleaning up your crap?

Well, any event, great movie.

So what I did in cars this week is we took our

93 Miata out onto some of these great amazing driving roads

around tail of the dragon.

And it completely brought me back to when my wife and I were first married.

And we've been married for 34 years and we had a maritime blue Miata.

And we drove that thing from Ohio out to Seattle and back

and toured all the way through the West.

If you really want a test of a marriage, take a Miata on a long drive.

And anyway, so that's what we did.

So it was wonderful.

And though Paul did suggest also I need to share with everyone

that I did reunite with my love of very white soundtracks, according to Paul

Snarky notes in our spreadsheet.

Moving on.

Oh, yeah, there you go.

Oh, you're all right.

So Paul, you want to do what are we wearing on for watches today?

Oh, sure.

I wonder if this will come through.

This is a late 60s, early 70s.

Boulevard, Accutron astronaut.

And at the time, they they're battery operated, but they're not courts.

They're electric.

They use a tuning fork to keep time.

And in the 60s, this was the most accurate way to do time.

And in fact, one of these is on the Hubble telescope

because from when they launched it, I don't know if you can hear this.

Can you hear it?

Mm-mm.

When you put it to your ear, it's like you were taking a musical tuning fork

and you hit it and it makes it's it's literally that it's a little miniature

tuning fork, so it just goes man.

And the funny thing is I have a cat and when I have this sitting like next to my

desk, it does not like it.

It just sort of gets to it and freaks out because it makes a weird tune.

But unsurprisingly, it's right now 26 after.

And it's a 24 hour clock.

And it's it's I have not set this thing in a long time.

Who works on that?

There's a little European watch repair place.

All he's had to do is put a battery in.

And and he said that when it no longer needs a battery and needs more,

I'm out of luck.

So but but the battery, he has to get this battery that does it doesn't.

It was made for a different kind of battery.

They don't make any more.

So he takes this like normal little watch battery and has to like shave it down

to get it to fit. It's a pain.

It's I have two of these panty-ass.

But when I wear it, I'm the only guy in the room wearing one.

There you go.

What day are you?

What's your watch game today?

I am I am packing today.

Yes, I am wearing a oops.

Hang on a second.

Let's see if I can get good choice.

I'm in love with my stare.

There we go. It's my Seiko Pogue.

Kind of a middle 70s watch, I think, in this particular case.

Sorry, it's not coming through very well here.

There we go.

I'll try to hold it like that.

Made famous by Commander Pogue, who wore it on the Skylab, I believe,

and was supposed to be wearing his Speedmaster,

but instead brought this watch up.

I think he had one on each arm is the way the story goes.

Is that a quartz watch?

No, no, it's an automatic.

Is it really? Wow, that is beautiful.

So how old is that?

It's it's middle 70s.

I don't know the exact date.

These these were issued right around that, you know,

obviously during that whole Skylab period.

I'm not sure I bought this from a friend of mine.

Really get any backstory with it to get nerdy on those watches.

What was really cool was the the watch industry,

their big four minute mile to break the four minute mile in the late 60s,

is who could come up with a chronograph?

That was an automatic movement, which sounds like no big deal.

But in the late 60s, they couldn't figure out how to do that.

And it got to the point where literally, like Omega and Zenith,

you know, paired up and Hoyer and some other company,

they had to actually pair up to try to do it and they're racing to do it.

And the best part and very Seiko in the background, Seiko figures it out.

They don't tell anyone.

They don't really care.

They're just like, oh, yeah, we'll make an automatic chronograph.

And people like Commander Pogue, this was a better watch.

You could keep logarithmic scales.

You could do calculations with it.

So a lot of astronauts and people in that industry were wearing those

and they were mad because you had to.

And like you said, he had to if you look at pictures,

he had two watches on his arms, the one that he had to wear for,

you know, the sponsorship and the other one that actually did work that he wanted.

Great watch. Awesome.

That's how they both worked, but, you know, yes, but he did wear this.

And this comes in a couple of different face colors as well.

It's a cool watch, though. They're very cool when you wire one,

people want to know what it is. So it's a nice watch.

Yeah, it's pretty, too. Very attractive.

Casey, how about you?

You just just just the Apple Watch today, guys.

Nothing exciting.

Well, that works. And GMT.

So I think they call this.

Yeah. Is that the is like is that what they call the Pepsi?

No, Batman. No, that's a Batman. Yeah.

OK. I love I love my I've been craving a Rolex.

I know not a Rolex guy, but I've been craving an older Rolex Explorer.

I think those are just neat.

I like kind of the simple looking watches.

Rolexes are definitely got a guy who could hook you up with that.

Paul, I've got a guy.

Everyone's got a lot of guys.

Yeah, everyone's got a watch guy.

It's like back in the 70s or the 80s, you know,

everyone had like a friend that, you know, by a watch could hook you up.

Exactly. All right. So moving on.

Let's see. OK, got it.

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OK, so moving on.

Well done.

No, horrible.

All right, let's let's talk about automotive news.

And I think this caught everyone by surprise.

And we were talking about this prior to the official start of the show today.

So Paul, I mean, honestly, I probably I should just read this.

I messaged this to you guys in our WhatsApp group.

Let me find it.

Here it is.

Is this?

No, wrong one.

Hold on.

Where is it?

OK, here it is.

And Paul, what do you think?

There you go.

How do you pronounce this?

What would be your best?

I think I thought it was Rungi.

I think it's Rungi.

OK, so so there's a guy in Minnesota who we if you're listening guy in Minnesota,

we definitely would have you on the podcast.

Paul, do you remember his name off the top of your head?

I thought it was Chris Chris Rungi.

OK, there you go.

So he's he's created and I just this is inspiring to me.

He's created seemingly from whole cloth because I haven't heard if he's using

like, you know, flat eight Porsche castings for the motor.

I don't know, but a five point three liter flat eight that bolts into any Porsche.

I mean, that's a long story short.

I can read all the descriptions, but it's a fifty three twenty eight cubic

centimeters. That's three hundred and twenty five cubic inches.

It's bigger than any flat six Porsche has ever put in a street legal nine

eleven by a wide margin.

It features four cams, 32 valves, 9000 RPM red line, which is amazing.

How do you do that?

I honestly want to know the manufacturing story behind that.

Where do you get the money in the engineering to do it?

It's it's incredible, but key numbers such as horsepower and torque won't be

announced for another few months.

We're told that it'll fit into most nine eleven models.

Rungi isn't on the mission to out singer singer by launching a restore.

He is going to be coming out with his own car, which is, I guess, sort of nine

oh four inspired, I think anyway, it's going to be called the R three.

There's no official pictures of it yet.

But some people are speculating that it's going to be dimensionally the size

of one of those 1960s Porsche race cars, and he's going to put that flat eight in it.

I thought personally, and I think this is really incredible.

When was the last time anybody produced something that bad ass aside from Emory

when he made his Polo motor for his modern, his two point eights for his three

fifty sixes. But other than that, that is about the coolest thing I've come out

seeing come out from the vintage Porsche world and like forever.

But I mean, even even with the Emory and it was really done by Gamaroth

and also a little bit of Joey Sealy.

But that engine, you know, wasn't really revolutionary.

He just took a nine six four motor, cut the two middle cylinders out

and put it back together again.

This, what you're talking about is a whole like we mentioned off, you know,

he's got to find someone to cast to cast the case and the heads.

How do you even do that in America?

Is that if that motor is made in America, which I bet you it's not.

I I want to know the whole story because that's just extraordinary.

I mean, it looks like something that like Williams Cosworth or one in the UK

would make. And then I wonder how much.

I mean, I had a nine thirty that that mad cow nine thirty turbo and I was

the guy bought it from who's an engineer had drawings to make a flat

and, you know, do the flat fan, which I think is the coolest thing

when you open up a nine eleven and see a flat fan, but it is not efficient.

It's really expensive, but this is wild.

But I look at those like you look at the drawings, the engineering drawings

it's got coil packs.

So that suggests like kind of nine, nine, seven technology where

it's, you know, all electronic.

You could see there's there's no carburetors.

There's no fuel and, you know, normal fuel injection.

How's the community going to react to this motor, though?

How is the Porsche community going to react to what this guy?

I mean, I think price, 200 grand.

I heard Dave, to your point, I heard 200 grand.

What do you think of this?

Do you think that you'll have customers, some of your very famous

NASCAR driver customers?

Well, I mean, I think the guys that don't care, I mean,

meaning the guys that just want something the coolest, the biggest,

the baddest, the fastest, I mean, they'll definitely jump on this thing.

And I think that's fascinating the way they've done it.

Now, if you go to the website for for this company, I think there are a few

sort of images where you can at least see part of what this car that

they're building, where it's going in and so on.

You know, that's going to be a personal style thing for the car.

The guy is actually building the motor.

I got to believe it's why he's done it, though, is probably he's got to help

fund all the development of this entire project by selling these motors off

the guys in a drop them into cool, old, you know, air-cooled 911s and so on.

So I think it's going to be bad ass.

I mean, I'm really excited to see this get dropped into a few cars.

Yeah. And I agree.

I mean, look at Myers-Manx, you know, they were sixty thousand dollars,

but then you can get a rotary, you know, airplane engine and suddenly,

you know, the guys like Matt Farah, who thought, oh, cool, modern take on a

dune buggy are like he had to have it because of the engine.

And now I can see if he's building a 904 replica, which there's plenty

of different versions of those out there.

If he's building something of that era and someone's like, yeah, I can get one

of those, but then they see the motor, you know, first shot, 200 grand.

That's a lot of money.

But if you're building allies, guys are building half a million dollar projects.

So I think it's absolutely.

Casey, what do you think?

A thousand dollar motor.

I mean, I think I go ahead, Casey.

I mean, I think any innovation in the in this kind of spectrum is awesome.

To me, it kind of feels it doesn't have the history, but it feels like those

Lanzonte nine thirties with the historic Formula One engines in them, which is really rad.

I don't know how they can fit that much displacement in that car.

That, to me, is the most interesting thing.

Because, I mean, you, you'd have to have the thinnest cylinder walls in order to

put pistons that big to, what'd you say, 5.3 liters, something like that?

I mean, that, trust me, I'd love to see.

I don't, I don't want to be called a skeptic.

I hope it works.

I hope it's rad and I hope it's not terrifically expensive because I'd love

to see one stuffed in the back of a car and anything that can keep people

interested in internal combustion engines.

And this type of realm is very good for people like Paul and Dave and I.

So I'm all about it.

And the noise that thing will make?

Oh my gosh, that has to be about the coolest noise ever.

And also, I think you'll get kind of the trickle down technology.

I mean, it was EFI for these old cars that started in a very expensive build.

And now, you know, Dave, when you're building a car, I think there's a good argument.

EFI has gotten to be kind of affordable where you keep the carbs.

Yeah, why deal with carbs?

Why deal with MFI for sure?

When you got this EFI that can sort out a lot of things.

So I think some of that technology might get adopted by some other people.

It'd be interesting if you just open source it all and everyone go, OK,

this is how you do it and take what you like.

I want to see it running.

I want to see it.

I think that when somebody launches something like this, they got to launch it

with a noise.

I think that's I think that's what that's it right people off.

Yeah, you just go to his website.

I mean, player button, just hear it.

Yeah, those those pictures are cool.

But show me that thing running on an engine dyno.

And then with a whole bunch of really cool stuff sitting around it,

that'll really get me going.

Yeah, 100 percent.

I agree.

I'll skip my Ferrari news because honestly, I'll just mention it really quick.

What did you guys think of the new F 40?

Oh, the F 40 this 40.

I mean, what?

I'm sorry, I'm a Ferrari.

I love what it looks like.

But what looks like a raccoon?

It looks like a raccoon or someone's like playing.

It's like playing peekaboo.

It's just very Ferrari.

Yeah, but it's it's such I mean, I'm again, I love Ferraris and a lot

of our listeners and viewers, even though they try to hide their light

in the barrel around the three of you, love Ferraris too.

But that is based on a 296, which is, you know, a great car.

But it's a six cylinder.

It's not a freaking F 40.

And to take the and what they're what Ferraris doing lately, I was forgiving

of them when they did the Testerosa.

Okay, whatever.

But now that taking the iconic F 40 exactly.

And then trying to sell it to I just don't understand it.

But what I'm truly fearful for, and actually, I think someone's going to talk

about this, so I'm not going to touch on the new CEO for Porsche being the

Ferrari guy.

Somebody else is going to talk about that.

Yeah.

And there's old Lewis, I guess.

But, but, but, you know, that was of your articles.

That was the more interesting one, the fact that he's pushing to do a modern

manual F 40, like a real F 40, which I don't know how much that's falling on

deaf ears.

I think if he wins a championship for Ferrari, I think it'll happen.

Casey, what do you think you think old Lewis is long for Ferrari?

What's your opinion being the only other F one guy on the show?

I think he's going to do 2026 and see where things land with the engine.

And if if he does well, I think he'll continue.

If Ferrari continues to Ferrari, you probably won't.

But I wanted to point out how it's we all thought it was a two horse race

this season.

And it's it's becoming more than that.

And it's it's been a while since I've been excited by Formula One.

But it's it's it's interesting for sure.

Next year is going to be even better because the cars are smaller, but we're

not going to turn this into a Ferrari one at Formula One show because Paul would

fall asleep. All right.

So Paul, you have a very interesting car news thing.

And I know Casey is watching this as well.

So go for it.

Yeah, this popped up on the scene.

It was the Jerry Seinfeld 71 9 11 S that sold on bring a trailer after fees for

six hundred and sixty three thousand dollars.

And it is you look at it and you go, wow, it's a nice F body.

Gemini metallic blue factory sunroof car.

And it's got some nice flares on it.

And but what Jerry Seinfeld did was he bought this car in 2008 or nine.

One family owned it for a bunch of years.

Sends it. Oh, by the way, when he bought it, it looked like that. Wow.

It was stuff that Dave sees, you know, like the Jollies.

Here it is. It's probably nicer than what the Jollies gave you.

And and, you know, I don't know how many years, but I think the bill from roof,

they sent it over to Faffenhausen to roof.

They said, work your magic.

And the bill, I think, from roof was like 260,000 euros in 2010 or 11.

I don't know what the conversion was.

And then you adjust for inflation.

But my guess was it was probably four to five hundred thousand dollars.

Then a lot of money.

But what I really like about this take up, I do not like the price.

And at first, my first shock was I don't like the price.

I hate the car.

But when you look at it, it looks like a stock nine eleven S with little flares,

little attitude, two exhausts is really the only clue.

It's got 15, sevens and eights.

Even when you look inside, it's got factory sports seats,

but Pita, just because I'm a nerd, you know, roof.

When you did this, you use the wrong speaker grill.

Right, Tim, you know, oh, yeah, for sure.

But I'm wondering, you haven't said this yet.

What's the cooler part of that?

And everyone loves Jerry Seinfeld.

That's the cooler part of that.

But is it the roof that roof did this car or the Jerry owned it?

Why do you think it's all the money now?

That was the question.

And by the way, this is the killer part.

Did you guys see what the engine is?

It's a three point four liter, flat six twin plug, individual throttle bodies,

electronic fuel injection, which this was kind of like we were talking about

with Rungi, this is like early version of electronic fuel injection

using an old Porsche six speed manual transmission, which is crazy.

And it but it looks benign.

They didn't really say what the horsepower rating is.

I would guess probably 300.

And my question was, is this a I mean, it's obviously a correct value.

What do we think of values?

Is that crazy money or is that because roof is now become

really well known and desirable and collectible?

Would you rather have that or a new ST that there's your basic questions?

Oh, I would have this in a heartbeat.

What do you think, Casey?

You tell me to I mean, I was like I was recently at a client's and he is a 75

RSR and if you open up the engine bay, it looks nearly identical to that.

Of course, an RSR is slide throttle, not EFI.

But seeing that like that's all business and being that, you know,

roof is roof and I'm happy that they're finally getting the respect that they

deserve because they're really great people.

But that thing's awesome.

And it's a Jerry Seinfeld car, which adds value to it.

I honestly believe that, you know, it's kind of like the Steve McQueen mentality,

right? I mean, they sold that set was a 70 S or whatever for a million

dollars a bunch of years ago.

But I think a lot of that these bespoke kind of things that travel with history.

I mean, that car checked all the boxes.

Great color.

I mean, great ownership.

And then I mean, roof built it.

I mean, I don't think it gets better than that.

I would own that in a second over an ST.

So, so let me ask you a question.

Let's just take the Jerry Seinfeld out.

Let's just say wealthy guy with excellent taste, collector did this.

Do you think the price would be the same?

No. Well, what's so what's the premium is where Paul is going?

Yes, 200.

Both, right? I mean, if it was just a roof, it would probably go for an extra

hundred or 150, something like that.

But but the Jerry Seinfeld factor, for sure.

But he just bought 911 number one or something.

He maybe needed the money to flop out of that because he just bought another

early car as well.

I have a feeling Jerry Seinfeld's not having to sell things to buy things.

But yeah, I agree with that.

But I mean, I really environmental deal, Tim, that's what he's trying to stay

carbon neutral. Exactly.

I wanted to find out and no one really talked about this.

Spike didn't talk about his show is what this was like to drive.

And he usually sells it because it's just no longer.

What did he say?

Like gives him the fuzz, the fizz or so.

Fizz, yeah.

So so I wonder what about this was not pleasurable to drive?

I've never seen it.

I didn't know this thing existed, never saw it.

I don't think the Seinfeld part adds that much.

I think when you look at cars, there's only a few famous people

that really spike values of Porsches.

I think Porsche guys just don't give two craps about who sat in the car,

except for Steve McQueen and maybe another.

I think it's just Steve McQueen, honestly, and he adds like a 10 factor

or like the risky business 928, because it was such an iconic movie

and it was not just the hero car, it was the hero of the movie.

But I think with this car, because roofs right now have gotten so expensive.

You know, we were talking about it.

If you buy an old BTR and you send it back to roof to refresh,

he does something similar to what he did to this car.

You know, he'll upgrade to a six speed manual.

He'll do a three four.

He'll get three hundred and fifty or five hundred horsepower of it

because it's a turbo and he's charging three four hundred thousand euro.

And I think someone bought it because I think it's almost like patient zero

of his modern refurbishment.

Jerry doesn't seem to be into the hot rods, right?

I mean, most of Jerry's cars, when I've seen it, you know,

he could buy wherever the hell he wanted to buy.

And I imagine that would be the reason that he would choose

maybe a real non modified Porsche that might be the reason it got sold.

But yeah, these are all valid points.

I mean, it is it is a gorgeous car.

And I'd rather have that than an ST for sure, which bodes well

for the old Porsche world.

Now, imagine that car with the flat V8 or the flat.

Sorry, the flat eight in it from the previous conversation.

That would be pretty cool.

Yeah.

And I think I would take this even if with less it's worth less money.

I would take this over, you know, what is it's one of these all day long?

Well, we're getting to that.

So don't do what we're going to go back to start talking about singer here in a second.

All right. So Casey, automotive news.

I see something really cool coming up and broad era that you were interested in.

Yes. So when Tim, when we were talking to Ray at

Lufth, he was talking to me about this thing that Hagerty and broad air,

I guess it's just Hagerty Marketplace is doing.

It was a gentleman that passed away named David Glenn,

who was actually one of the original engine builders for the Roof Yellowbird

based in Florida, kind of north of Daytona, if I'm not mistaken.

And they're going to be auctioning off pretty much his entire

collection of parts and cars and tools and everything from his collection

on Hagerty Marketplace.

And it looks super cool.

I love digging into stuff like this.

There's posters, there's factory manuals, there's pieces of paper

that had the original, you know, specs and schematics of roof engines.

And I think it's super cool.

And if you go to if you just Google Hagerty and then David Glenn,

I'm sure that it'll pop up.

But I think it starts on November 3rd.

And my buddy Ray has a lot to do with it.

I know he's been cataloging all the stuff that's in it for many months now.

And I think it's going to be something really interesting to watch.

Casey, I've got a great suggestion for you. Paul, I need your help.

What's that swap meet Pomona Pomona, right?

The big portion of swap meet that still happens in California once a year.

Yeah, it's called a Pomona swap meet.

You've got to go to that, Casey.

The Pomona swap, the Pomona swap meet is, I want to say, like, once a month.

Yeah, it's frickin bonkers, but just, you know, advanced player tip.

Get there really frickin early.

And that's where all the cool stuff comes out.

There's so many old farts with massive collections of the weirdest ass shit

you've ever seen from Porsche's back, back, back catalog that eventually

they pull it out of their barns or whatever.

And they show up with like seven R wheels or they pull, you know,

original 911R parts.

The stuff that's in Southern California is frickin bonkers.

But the problem is they're the typical Corvette.

I know what I have.

Oh, yeah, I know what I got.

Yeah, they are.

Well, but honestly, when you come across one of those unicorn type parts,

you just pay up wherever the old farts asking and just be on with it and move on

with your life.

All right.

So I think this actually, this bit of news from David is the most interesting

for a whole bunch of reasons.

Sir, we have talked obviously a lot about just Porsche's struggles in terms

of what's been happening over the last year, year and a half and so on.

And like happens often in corporate America or corporate Germany, in this case,

they're making changes and they're trying to bring in talent that will help

guide the ship in the future.

So Porsche has and it's not like you need a golden parachute or anything

because let's see, this guy looks like me.

I'll get out of the way.

But this is Porsche's new CEO.

Hey, there.

Hey, there, handsome.

Dr. Michael, I'm not sure if it's lighters or leaders.

I don't know how he pronounces it.

I'll E-I-T-E-R-S lighters.

And he succeeds Dr.

Bloom, Oliver Bloom, who is going to stay on as the CEO of Volkswagen Group.

But what's interesting is Mr.

Lighters has had a reasonably long experience with Porsche previously

and was a guy around during the launch of the Cayenne.

I think he was largely responsible for managing through some of that.

He was also a CTO at Ferrari, I think, for quite a long time as well.

And most recently, for about the last three years, he was a CEO of McLaren.

Well, let's stop there.

So so where is this?

But where in your mind, David, you pulled this up and I agree with you.

It's very important news for the Porsche world.

Well, how's this relevant?

What effect will this guy have on Porsche and member the last guy

who just sort of quit with the worst, I think, exit speech ever?

The Porsche business model.

No longer works.

Bye-bye.

I'm out.

Mike, drop.

F you all.

I'm out.

You have to believe he's he's going to be responsible for executing

on the new vision, assuming that continues to be the vision.

And I'm assuming he was at least been being interviewed during a lot before

that whole press release and the whole investor conference was coming out

on what they're going to do with the ice cars and the hybrid and the electric,

fully electric cars.

This is clearly a guy who comes from a sports car background.

So with all that, one would think that we were going to get a lot of great

teachers and a lot of focus on the sports car side of this market and

hopefully continue to add performance even to the mainstay stuff.

The SUV side of the market, too.

So any other thoughts or case you get any other thoughts on?

Well, if he was around during the launch of Cayenne, that means that he did

a lot with Vita King and Vita King was all about efficiency and all about

streamlining processes and becoming.

I mean, if you look at up until, I think, like 17 or 18, and I've said this

on here before, the highest volume of nine elevens ever produced was in 2007.

And that that ramped up from the from the beginning of nine, nine, seven

and streamlining of that Kaizen approach of manufacturing with last minute

and all that stuff.

So if they're looking to cut costs and be more efficient and build better cars,

I mean, a guy from that generation is probably going to check a lot of those boxes.

I'll suggest to you guys what we're about to see is essentially Portia,

as we've all, I think, of greed is going to start making exactly what Ferrari's

doing, more cars, smaller batches, limited editions.

That's where it's going to go.

So you're going to see ST variants.

You're going to see GT3 variants.

You're going to see all these decal jobbies, all these things.

Exactly what Ferrari's doing.

For more cars, smaller production runs, but more different models.

I mean, but if he came from the Vita King background, and I think the key is

he doesn't have a CFO background, which would be the worst thing.

He has a CTO background, which means he is interested.

He's got a technical background.

Vita King was a really a hero among a lot of designers besides sort of saving the company.

He also really got.

Yeah, he got, I mean, the car you're getting, Dave.

Is sort of spawned from Vita King, letting Andy Pruninger develop this whole part.

He could see what this could be.

Yes, efficiencies, costs and all that.

But I think maybe things will, instead of buying a 9-11 Dakar, you'll buy a 9-11

T and add the Dakar package.

That's what's going to happen.

And I think that will be, it'll kind of make it, I feel sorry for the guys who

bought the one of 900 because their one of 900 is going to be just diluted.

But maybe for people like us, there'll be a sub $100,000 sports car that really appeals

to us, maybe from Ford.

It will be interesting what happens with the numbered series.

I mean, so what Ferrari does, in case you guys don't know, is they'll come out with,

you know, they'll essentially open the order books, the new Ferrari 296 GTS, and they're

going to make them from this date to this date.

And they're going to essentially produce as many as they can during that date.

And generally speaking, they'll pre-sell all the cars, virtually all the allocations

will be grabbed up within, sometimes depending what it is within weeks.

And so that's what for, I'm sorry, that's I'm sure Porsche is going to do as well.

They're going to make smaller batches like what Paul just said, a specialized cars.

Think PTS on crack, but sort of for everybody.

That's what I'm going to guess is going to happen.

That's what I would do if I were in that position, because you can, you know, frankly,

make a lot more money and everyone can, everyone's a winner.

Everyone gets a limited edition car.

I mean, that's what they're going to do.

All right, one of the interests that it's just good to see, in my opinion, that it's

got its own CEO again, instead of a dual role.

For sure.

That's always a kiss of death when you try to do the dual role thing from a high level.

And I think this is just a better future for Porsche for sure.

And this guy's obviously got the goods.

It is worrisome because they did get delisted from their equivalent of the New

York Stock Exchange, whatever is in Germany.

And they essentially, their market value dropped by half.

That is frightening.

Honestly, what they might, hopefully you're right, Dave, with your intuitive

comments about the direction this guy will go from an engineering perspective.

And they don't just essentially decide to start pounding out a shit ton of

McCons for, you know, $1.98 and, you know, swing for the fences, but we will see.

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I found this really interesting.

It'll be interesting if you guys find this really interesting.

I don't know if you listen to Chris Harris's podcast.

I always listen to it.

He's my brother from a different mother sort of.

So what's the difference between a super car and a sports car?

And I will let Mr.

Kramer go first.

Yeah, I thought about this and I know I saw some of your notes and I kind of

disagree.

I mean, I think a sports car is something that's a tool for driving.

You know, someone wants an experience, whether it's going to

canyons, doing track days, their sports car race series, like in Europe,

and especially England, they do sports car series.

They don't do super car series.

Super cars are, you know, this is a sports car, a Lotus, you know, Elise.

It's impractical, but it is made.

It's affordable, reasonable.

You know, this is a super car.

What is this?

Remac?

No, that's one of those.

Yeah, well, it's something crazy.

These are super cars.

They're there.

I think to some degree, a super car is just unobtainable.

It's a price you can't like it.

It's it's the Lamborghini Countach when I was younger is the thing you

make a poster of on your wall, the thing you see in a video game.

It's something that you aspire to tongue in cheek, but there's a party

that kind of goes, I doubt I'll ever get it.

And if you are lucky to get it, I got to believe it's a pinch me moment.

If you actually worked hard to get a super, some super car, which in the

end of the day, even if I had the money, there's no way in hell.

I mean, big question, you know, was this a super car, a spiker?

I mean, bespoke.

Boy, that didn't.

That did not age well, did it?

It's like a boat.

Well, what it looks like is like like the Kramer back in the back in the 80s

when you go into like a grandma's house and they have a wood toilet seat cover.

That's totally sanitary.

Is that what you're saying?

Yeah, so so, you know, I don't know if a super car is I know what a sports car is.

It's something a sports car is something you want to drive doing

something with Canyon.

Okay, so let me let me add to it.

Chris Harris, who we all agree is one of the biggest advocates, especially for

911s on planet Earth.

Yes, yes, yes.

He said a 911 can never be a sports car or never be a super car.

You know, 9 11 will ever be a super car.

So Paul, I'm going to toss off to Dave.

Dave, what did you come up with?

What is I mean, for me, one, one you drive and one is just a flex.

I mean, that's that's the way I see it.

I mean, the manufacturers that come out with these cars are coming out with

them for they're very limited.

They're very, very, very few people.

And the thing that sells the car is the exotic look and it's top speed.

Um, really top speed.

Most of it and most of these cars aren't ever gaid down their driving ability.

They're handling those sorts of things.

Almost all of them are basically about top speed, maybe some time, not even

around Nuremberg really top speed is your but David, just so I'm hearing you correctly.

You're saying top speed is your differentiator and I'm hearing no, no, no, no.

I don't think top speed is differentiator.

I just think that that's when you look at why people build these cars and why they

buy them and what the measuring stick is for what's fantastic and what isn't.

It's really top speed becomes the measuring stick.

And then the exotic look, I mean, the crazy carbon fiber or the weird shapes

or those kinds of things, and they're more of a flex car.

People don't drive those cars.

Maybe if you go to Dubai or someplace, you'll see one somewhere, but

they're not getting driven.

The car behind me is a car people drive.

I would agree that this isn't a supercar.

This is a sports car, but I would be curious to get your guy's opinion on a

nine five nine was a nine five nine a supercar.

In its era, possibly in its era, but you know, the GT3S, it's like the Lambros

are trying so hard to make that a supercar.

Bro, they have turned it, they've turned it into a flex.

They have turned it.

I don't know if I mean, I'm not, I'm not going to disagree, but I don't

classify this as a supercar.

You're not going to go see the car behind you in its own racing series, Paul.

Right.

I mean, it's you're not going to have a bunch of them lined up and ripping

around the track somewhere.

So Demolition Derby, yes, Bugatti Demolition Derby.

You know how hard that would sell.

I'd go to that though.

I would go to Pomona Fairgrounds to see the Bugatti Figure A.

Chris Cross Demolition Derby.

But you guys, you know, the irony of it is, is that the top speed thing really

isn't a differentiator anymore.

And I'm going to bring up Paul's ever-present favorite topic.

If you look at the ZR1X and you look at that thing, the top speed is what

235 miles per hour and the base price in those damn things is 230 grand.

I mean, come the hell on.

That's big.

That's essentially what your options list would cost you on your

cuttings egg probably, probably half of what it actually costs.

So it does it.

That's that's the reason it's an interesting topic.

And I'm not sure if I agree with Chris Harris that a 9-11 can never be

a supercar to be honest with you.

I'm not sure if I do because I think your David RS that's coming in, I actually

feel that's more special than some of these super special cars.

But Casey, what do you think?

What's it do I think it sports car in a super car?

So I look after sports cars, super cars.

And one thing we didn't touch on is hyper cars.

And you, I believe that for something to be a super car, it needs to have

a bespoke platform.

It needs to be something special, some sort of carbon fiber monocoque,

something like that, something that is more than something that is shared

with a platform that is significantly less expensive.

And I would tell you that in my work that I do where I often have to

exercise things like this, when things become super cars, that is when I

become uncomfortable putting miles on them for fear that something will hit

the car and cause irreparable or insanely expensive damage to carbon fiber

components, something like that.

Yeah, that makes sense.

So here's what here's what I came up with.

Simple super car can't be driven daily has barely enough room for two people.

Two seats barely enough room space for a small bag, you know, A to A type car.

I'm sure you guys are familiar with that.

Basically, you drive it out of your garage, you drive it around your, you

know, favorite driving route and you bring it back.

You're not going on a tour with it.

And when you get back, it leaves you exhausted and needing an app for three

hour after three hours of use.

That kind of describes any GT3 RS I've ever driven just to the record.

I mean, it describes this totally.

That's what I'm saying.

This is the reason it's a good question.

Is that a super car?

Well, I mean, it could be put that flat V8 or why do I say flat V8 every time?

I have a brain worm.

The super car has to attract love and hate.

That's the other thing I think you guys all touched on.

Everywhere you go, people want to take pictures of it at the car and always

ask you what you do for a living.

So if you're not, so when you start driving your RS Paul or David, you're

going to get that question.

What do you do for a living?

You know, that is an annoying question that you will get.

And I'll tell you from personal experience, because for a very brief time,

um, never having had a super car before, Julie and I bought an Aventador.

This is when we lived in Texas.

I, uh, you know, tri-color.

I don't remember the Italian name for it, Aventador Roadster.

And I drove it once or twice, decided it wasn't for me, but everywhere you drive,

people are taking fricking pictures in your blind spots and you have to

constantly be on the lookout.

So it totally takes the fun out of it.

And when some of these super cars, when you actually take them out and drive them

as if they were sports cars, they're awful.

And the Aventador was awful.

Um, Lyme Creek Road in Austin, which some of you guys know about, uh, you go on

Lyme Creek Road and it's a very tight, very, very crazy ass road.

The Aventador hated it.

It barely fit it on the road.

It's transmission starts to slip.

It was, it was miserable, but if you're touring around and you're trying to show

off to, I think Casey's point of flex car, there you go.

So you guys have any other closing thoughts about this particular topic?

When the GT3 RS arrives for Dave, he's going to have to get really good at

jumping out of the car, putting the phone and go, Dave Van Epps here in my GT

throughout and do the YouTuber influencer.

Smash that like button, boy.

It's like it's a crap.

Yeah, boy.

So Dave, you might as well start practicing.

So when they arrives, you're ready to be an influencer.

You could do it.

Ignace, here's the secret.

I think it's here.

It's here.

Is it really?

I think I may see it tonight.

Really?

Yeah.

It's, it arrived last week in the Jacksonville and it's, I believe it is coming

by truck today up to the dealership and I happen to be going to this dealership for

another event tonight and I might get a sneak peek at it.

Can you wear like a body cam for us or something?

Sure, of course.

I mean, absolutely.

I've got, you know, it'll be a cool event for sure.

I mean, again, I don't know.

I think this might be the first one they delivered to a customer.

I'm going to make a statement and I want you guys to hold me accountable.

And if you disagree, tell me I'm full of shit.

I think personally, those RSs, even at their present values are going to look

very, very cheap because the new iterations of whatever that becomes are going

to be even more expensive because Porsche can make the money off of it because

they've been seeing the ADMs on those things.

And I think those cars, despite the fact that they probably made too many are

going to go down in the history books of being one of the most desirable cars of

their era and that's what they're going to be wanting in the future.

In my opinion, debate.

I love your thinking, Tim.

I'm right there with you.

Yeah, you would be.

I mean, the problem is I just look at the only the only data points we have is

history. You look at get out of the 997 era because those were manual, unique

things, but 991.1 GT3 RS still a really good value.

That's such a cooler car, Paul.

I'm sorry.

No, no, I know it's a cooler car, but every then you go to 991.2 GT3 RS, that

is a cooler car than the 991.1 and the values of just sort of they just

bob around.

Whereas the Tourings do this weird, everyone's got to have a touring for

whatever reason, manual, whatever.

I don't want a wing.

I don't, I think just historically looking at the last two being a contrarian.

I think they're going to do the same thing because they'll come out with

something else that the Lambros got to have that's going to be the new wow.

And then that'll be still a great car, but not the fizz in terms of new,

shiny, got to have it.

And it's going to take 15 to 20 years to then show off that, oh my God, this is

this is something really special.

Dave will still be driving at 50 to 20 years.

That's good.

Casey, you have an opinion on that?

What's your, what's your honest, your hot take on RSS?

I think I've talked about it a bit before.

Um, you know, I, I'm happy that Dave is excited.

I hope that Dave drives a snot out of it because I do know a lot of people,

including the ones that I look after are not driven very much.

And I hope he drives it in anger.

And that's what I hope for Dave.

It's oh man, he was about to say something that he pulled back.

I don't know.

I just know I could feel that I'm happy that Dave's excited.

That was like you are saying, I'm really, really proud of you.

No, it's, I, they're, they're all great, they're all great cars.

And I know Dave stoked.

Um, I just, to me, it, as I've discussed before, and it's just like we talked

about the touring, I don't like when cars become fashion.

And I really believe that, that car has become fashion and to see somebody drive

one in anger, like one of my clients, you know, tracks is, um, you know, that's

what I want to see and I don't want to see them roll around and have the

Dua Lipa special edition of the car.

That's not what I'm into.

And that's unfortunately, I believe why these cars are becoming that level of popular.

So Casey, you want me to do you a favor and do your live read for you?

No, I'll do it.

No, I want Casey, but first of all, Casey, we should give Dave a checklist in

the first six months, once the engine's broken in of things he has to do.

And I would say the first thing he's only allowed to take it to cars and

coffee twice and to earn more cars and coffee events.

He has to go do a rally or a track day with it.

And then he gets to do another cars and coffee, like a one to one.

You want to go cars and coffee?

You got to do a track day.

Let's, let's, since we're, since we're new to London on this particular

thing for too long, you guys, here's the thing that really fascinates me is

there are no parts transferences other than the obvious motor and transmission

from the modern RS to any of these other cars, all the sort of, you know, the

things you can adjust on the steering wheels is the suspension and the arrow.

All that stuff is unique to that car.

And for, listen to me, Porsche did not take that and put it on a lesser car.

That's the reason I think that car is special because it does have a lot of

really unique stuff.

It's not a parts bin car.

Like some of these other special additions are speedster included parts bin car.

I see it for what it is.

So that's my thought about that.

But, you know, the only thing that would make your RS even better would be a Paul.

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Wow, he had an out of body experience.

I did. I'm so tired.

Where am I?

No, bro. In the engine room.

You've been working on engines all day.

Oh, boy. Bravo.

You win, Casey. That was so good.

Casey, you did win.

Thank you.

All right, segment four, ultimate 992 Porsche build off your budget is 225

grand max. You know, it is funny when I was coming up with this idea, I had to

think of all the ways you guys are going to try to game it.

And I know every one of you would go to the base ask car and try to take

some victory lap for coming up with the best poverty spec.

So that's the reason I made it.

So you had to spend 225 grand or very close.

So this is that ultimate build off maximum budget of 225,000.

And I'll be honest, the reason I chose that as a price point is

because it is the same start price as Paul's favorite car, the ZR1X.

All right, so let's roll in.

Paul, you're going to go last.

David, let's do you.

Let's do yours first.

All right.

I actually took this car just took one wheel off and that that's really

what happened. No, no, not really.

This is my particular spec.

And I think I spent close to all the money here.

And there wasn't a lot of choices, but I decided I was going to go

something that was reasonably practical, something that could be enjoyed

and lots of different kind of the driving conditions.

This happens to be the 2026 GTS Targa in a lovely shade of blue.

I can't remember exactly.

Let me look here.

I've got my build up.

This is obviously the Gentian blue metallic.

I did option it with a blue target top.

You know, option wise, I could not spring for the expensive wheels

because that was going to take me over budget.

I didn't have lots of choices on the interior.

I went again because this car starts.

I mean, it's a high based price car for sure.

But I did go and unfortunately, I didn't grab a picture of this before.

I did go with the heritage design interior with the ballistic black

with the posture inserts on this.

And both front and back of the seats, which I think is really pretty sweet.

I could not afford the adaptive 18 way seats.

So I had to stick with the base package just the four ways.

But I never care about that.

And I don't understand if you Paul can shed some light on this

as somebody that may need some back adjustment.

But boy, I'm always surprised.

I can always find a comfortable position in most seats.

So I don't know why they have all these motors

and all this weight that they do on the 18 way stuff.

I love it.

Clearly, Dave does not have lower back problems.

No, no, I'm going to.

I mean, it's on the way.

Maybe it's from sitting in shitty seats.

But, you know, it did come with the the I had to upgrade to the Bose sound system.

I could not get the axle left.

I had to strip this back a little bit to make it happen.

But I came in at two twenty three three eighty

as my base price as my delivered price on the car.

So there you go.

That's my entry into the four way competition to this afternoon.

Have you guys seen any Targa 992s?

Have you actually seen your life like a second, a second gen one or first gen one?

What do you mean?

Like a dot two versus a dot like a dot these are all that is Casey.

These are all OK.

No, I don't I don't know if I've seen a new GTS.

I haven't either. Yeah.

I'm not a big fan of the like the vents,

the active vents that look like, you know, sharp teeth or whatever here

on the front of it, not my favorite option on that car.

You know, but that's a styling choice that it's had.

And we were optioning a new one.

So this is what we had to work with.

So and you're OK with PDK because you can't get a manual on one of those.

Oh, it does have a manual.

The GT, I'm sorry.

Thank you for pointing that out that you can get you can't particular car.

Hang on a minute.

I have it right here.

Hang on there.

Twenty six one second.

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You got you guys can, you know, continue amongst yourself.

I'm almost positive.

I expect this car with all right.

I bet you your GT three RS that it doesn't come with the manual train.

Oh, don't take the bat.

Dave, I research.

Hang on. I'm not gonna.

But I'm just set up.

Don't bet against.

Casey, they write the GTS, the new hybrid.

And that is the right question is, can they even possibly do a manual?

And the only only cars they put sticks in now are GT threes and T's.

Right.

So you're right.

I did forgive me.

I was wrong.

No, no, it's fine.

It's still an awesome car.

I mean, it is.

So actually, you guys can help me with this and all the listeners.

The GT three RS has PDK sport and the standard nine eleven is don't have the sport.

So what is the actual difference is the transmission gearing?

Obviously, it's software.

What's the actual difference?

Oh, probably a whole lot.

Yeah, I'm going to go with a whole lot.

It's not just the transmission software though, right?

It's not just the transmission.

Do you know?

No, I'm assuming the gear ratios are all completely different

and the the clutches are operating differently for the hybrid.

I mean, it's I was in the hybrid, just the torque fill in the for the turbo motor.

Wasn't that in the transmission?

Yeah, but I'm talking about the actual yet the torque filled, right?

The electric motor kicks in between shifting.

But I'm saying in the actual transmission itself, the PDK, what is it called?

PDK sport PDK S. I've got it in my RS.

Yeah, I don't. I mean, before the 992, the 991, the manual was the same thing.

It was the PDK gears turned into a manual.

It was there was no difference.

But I think the standard car to Casey's point, I think the standard car is

different gear gear set than the RS cars.

But we'll say I'm we don't know.

All right. It's listed as the eight speed PDK, right?

It's an eight speed. OK.

Yeah, maybe that's the difference there.

That's it's got to be geared differently than it has to be.

Casey, you're up next and that looks amazing.

So what did you come up with?

So so I will tell you that I have probably built in my career, a thousand nine

elevens, maybe not a thousand, maybe eight hundred and counting a lot.

So we talked about manual.

I went with the career S the seven speed manual transmissions

that I am familiar with in 992s.

I did not find that enjoyable.

I've not driven a six speed career T, so I can't comment.

So I went with career S. I went mere blouse, so dark sea blue.

I did the cognac and black interior.

I did Bermister.

I did front axle lift.

I did good headlights.

I did good wheels.

I did black ceramic brakes, slick top.

And that's about it.

Some other things here and there, I think it was around two ten.

To me, that is a car that I could own for forever.

And if I wanted a manual, I could take the extra forty grand

and buy a, I don't know, nine nine six or or something else.

Yeah.

Or I just I mean, I think I think that a career S, which is basically

the prior GTS engine is a riot.

And that's I think it's a fantastic package.

So between the two, you guys are all in the business.

Resale come resell.

Which one of those two cars are going to do better five years from now?

Which one's going to do better?

I think the Targa, the Targa, probably.

I agree. Targas are always holding their value.

Yeah, they do really.

They do really really well.

I think they hold their value because the take rate is so low.

It surprises me every year.

Portia says we're going to make one because it's such a cool car.

Yeah, they don't they don't build a lot.

They don't build a lot of them, Paul.

Yeah, but no one orders them.

Yeah, that's the thing.

Well, they trust me, they sell everyone that they make.

They just that when it comes to allocations, you can.

When I was with Portia, you had a bucket, right?

You had a 992 Carrera S, right?

You could choose it to be a coupe or a convertible at that moment.

And then you would build the car.

Targas came as their as their only thing.

So they came as Targa for Targa for us, Targa for GTS.

You couldn't make it something else.

They were called flex buckets on the other cars.

Like say you had a Cayman allocation, not that they build Caymans anymore,

but you could make a Cayman a base and S or when they made a T,

you could make it one of the three.

But with Targas, they were just this is your Targa.

This is what you get.

Sometimes you could negotiate with the person at Portia

to make a Targa for S into a GTS or a GTS into a 4S.

But Targas were their own thing.

And I think it's honestly because of the complexity of the roofs

and the cost of making them why they did cutback production.

So what you're saying is try to find a 991.2 Targa.

And that's probably going to be a really great car long term.

That's what I'm hearing you say with the maintenance transmission.

I mean, I think that that's that to me.

It's I was never a huge fan of Targas because I thought they weighed a ton

and they had all that weight in the top of them.

And I honestly dealt a lot with the issues of the early ones from like

two thousand and fourteen's where when you drive over bumps,

it would sound like a styrofoam cooler flexing that we mean.

So I had clients that I would go over to their house

and drive the car around at six miles an hour to try to get rid of that.

As time went on, Portia fixed that and they put all these different things in play.

I've never been a huge fan of the Targa.

I'd rather just have a convertible personally.

But the general public, due to the fact that they are pretty rare

in the grand scheme of things, does that make them significantly more desirable?

Speaking of speak more desirable, I think I've got so far.

I've got you guys beat though.

I see Paul is trying to steal some of my thunder with what he's got coming up.

And unfortunately, I don't have a picture, but I do have a lot of well researched facts.

All right, so starting out with a two twenty or a two thousand twenty five

Porsche 911 Carrera T seven speed manual.

All right, seven speed manual one thirty five nine.

Now I learned some stuff when I was going through this process.

I started out on the Porsche build site and then I actually used my best friend

A.I. and to really drill down on this even more.

Are you guys familiar with this thing called paint to sample plus?

Are you Casey? Yes.

All right, so I honestly did not know that much about it.

So can one of you guys explain that?

Yeah, so in fact, when I was choosing mine, I wanted to do paint to sample

plus because I wanted to do leaf green and the way it works.

And I think paint to sample is like fifteen, sixteen, seventeen thousand dollars.

Paint to sample plus is double that like thirty four thousand.

And what it is is you submit a color you want, whether it's a retro color

or matching a sample or another manufacturers.

And the reason it's double is they basically, from my understanding,

talking to people like Jeff Swart, they have to paint the car twice.

They have to see does the color actually work on, you know, back in the day

when you're doing like a G body, all you had to worry about was steel

and aluminum bumpers and aluminum mirrors. That's it.

Now you've got several kinds of steels, aluminum, polymers,

like several kinds of different plastics.

And they got to make sure it all fit.

It all lasts. It can handle, you know, flex for the bumpers.

It can handle heat, carbon fiber.

So I wanted to choose that for mine.

And the only reason don't jump ahead.

I won't. But anyway, so that's so.

So yeah, it's it's really expensive.

But if it was, I think Ferrari offers something similar

and I'm guessing there's double that probably.

Yeah, definitely. Well, it's 30.

No, what is it now? Anyway, it's yeah, you're 100 percent right.

It's a lot. So paint a sample plus.

And again, that was a good education for me.

And thank you, Paul.

So I was going with all of green Ruby stone,

but probably all of green to be my preference.

A sport design arrow quit arrow kit.

I thought that looked kind of neat for seven grand.

It kind of seems like a deal for seven grand and scheme of things.

You know, of course, you got to put in your alloy look gas cap

the PLDS plus lights for a 1900 bucks to 2021 inch

RS spider center lock wheels.

I thought those would be nice for four grand.

And then you get into the other specific things.

Sport chrono plus 2400.

I can go through the list of things.

But at the end of the day, interior wise, extended leather,

two tone, three thousand bucks.

The Pepita, obviously, hounds to see it in search.

Three thousand. I didn't realize there's three thousand, by the way.

Holy crap, just get aftermarket.

No, that's a lot.

That's about right.

Yeah, you can just take the centers out.

Go get that and just remove.

It's not a good scenario, considering they have all that stuff.

They can just plug it in either way.

It doesn't cost them anymore.

But as far as a value is concerned, it's a good value.

David, a deviated stitching seatbelt.

So anyway, you go through all these things

and you can actually really dude up the interior

at a very, very high level and make something truly spectacular.

That's going to be very unique.

Have some fun with the colors a little bit.

And then, yes, why not add the expensive stereo?

The Bruemeister stereo, the premium package plus

with the ventilated seats, lane change assistance,

ambient lighting for fifty two hundred bucks.

You know, it's funny, these options are so expensive.

But when you look at Ferrari's options, this looks so cheap.

It's terrible to say, but it's true.

Surround view night vision, twenty five hundred bucks, glass sunroof.

I'm not sure if I added it or not, but let's throw that on there.

Probably I wouldn't two thousand bucks model designation on the exterior.

I would, you know, maybe who knows.

But yeah, at the end of the day, you add all this up

and then you tap into European delivery, which is what I would definitely do.

The total is basically two hundred and twenty five grand.

So you would have the world's most expensive nine eleven tee

with a manual transmission, but have some of the most coolest

the coolest options I think you could possibly get from Porsche.

Again, I think that's kind of a killer.

Keep it forever type car.

What do you guys think?

I agree.

And and I know you copied me because I.

And you built yours well, just not well enough.

I think you've overbuilt for the neighborhood.

Actually, so it is a value.

I had to get to I wanted to follow my own rules and get to two hundred and twenty

five. Yes, it took some work on a tee because I wanted a manual transmission.

And in Tim, you and I think like that was the main thing I looked through.

Manual transmission.

It's got to be a nine eleven.

Even if you open it up to mid engine, I still wanted a nine eleven.

Yep.

But unlike Casey, I this is the second time I've gone to the configurator.

I've only gone one other time.

And it's sort of like an alcoholic.

You just don't go to the bar and and that's I like I will build one when the.

So when I fell in love with the nine nine one point two cruelty.

And then when the nine nine two point one cruelty came out, I went to the

configurator thinking what if we went to Germany and took tourist delivery as part

of our trip? And then I saw how much it fricking cost.

Two problems I have with it.

How much it cost for base and the fact that if you just ordered performance

stuff, stuff that enhanced the driving, which deviated stitching does not.

There was very little on this car.

I kind of had a problem because I really wanted ceramic brakes.

And I don't know why they don't offer ceramic brakes on the cruelty.

There was two things I wanted the carbon roof.

I hate the look of a black roof and they didn't have the option.

I would love a carbon roof and do the flex of painting it body color.

So the only way you could tell it's carbon fibers get really close.

I would have done paint to sample plus leaf green, but I chose a rottium green,

which was close, by the way, base price of a cruelty for nine nine two thousand

twenty six is one hundred and forty three thousand seven hundred dollars.

They raised the price.

Wow, raise the price.

A nine nine one point two base cruelty.

Guess how much that was base MSRP?

Do you know, Casey?

Well, we used to order those and all in with all the right stuff.

They were like one hundred and thirteen grand.

That is insane.

Base price was ninety five.

Oh, my gosh.

And it's crazy.

So I added seventy nine thousand three hundred forty dollars of options,

which came to a total price of two hundred with delivery,

taking delivery at an experience center, two hundred and twenty five

thousand three hundred ninety dollars.

I tried to order stuff that was really performance oriented.

I don't know if you saw these wheels.

It was it's the first wheels that I kind of liked.

They are exclusive designed, but they have carbon fiber blades.

So there's still, you know, alloy forged wheels.

So you get a mix of carbon fiber for less weight, but still have the strength.

I don't know about what we talked about durability.

Of course, I did didn't quite do badge delete.

Just did nine eleven on the back, which I think looks better.

Tim, I had the arrow package picked twice.

That wing, here's my problem is I hate these cars when they're driving.

The back end looks like a June bug flying away.

It's just like it's sort of like check out my ass and the whole back end opens up

and it looks like it's falling apart.

The new wing.

It's not a great wing.

I was hope I was just wondering where you were going with your.

Yeah, but OK, but the thing about getting the arrow kit is the wing.

You don't have that opening, but then I just didn't like the look of it.

But I did like we should talk about wing someday.

We will. We will.

It's on the list. We'll get what I like.

What I like about this is it paints the rockers.

I did get the upgraded sort of GT, better front end.

And then I went a little nuts just to be weird.

I have blue seat belts, orange stitching.

And the key is you don't get the full leather

because you do get this very unique kind of subtle plaid that is very cool.

Yeah. And it's and it's what I like is it's unique to the

just to the cruelty that that particular plaid,

18 way adapt to, you know, 18 way seats.

You got to do PDLS back seats or no back seats.

Absolutely back seats.

I agree because here's the thing is the number of calls I get for people

who want a GT three who want to take their kids.

And the irony is they never do.

But it's just sort of like I need a four wheel drive car

because I go to the snow once in a while, which is never.

The biggest disappointment was there was, you know, steering plus

a power steering plus front axle lift.

The only cool design thing I liked.

I don't know if you saw it, Tim.

You know, the stopwatch, you know, the sport chrono that no one has ever.

I have never known one person that used it or even knew how to use it.

You get you get now, you can order a Porsche design clock.

So now it's actually just a clock by Porsche design.

I ordered a lot of those back in the day.

Is it just like a like a watch face?

Basically, it looks like a watch face.

It's pretty. It's pretty attractive to be honest.

It's subtle, attractive.

But I think the best part about the interior is the wood is shift knob.

And I mean, the hard part is like, I picture this guy coming to me

in five years to sell the car and the seventy nine thousand dollars of options.

Most people would care less.

All they're going to care about is does it have carbon buckets?

Does it have no sunroof and a manual?

I think that's it.

I will go ahead.

I like so we were talking about I was talking about manual seven speeds

and I don't want to upset people that have manual seven speed nine nine twos

because if that's what you like, awesome, that's not my goal.

But the nine nine one Carrera T, the first one,

that was one of my favorite stick shifts of that whole platform

because the the it had a reduced final drive

and it also had a different shifter in it.

That felt really good.

So if you do have if you are looking for better shifter feel,

put that shifter in your nine nine one.

Isn't that isn't the new car?

Doesn't it have the actual shift mechanism from a GT three?

I'm pretty sure it does.

I mean, it's it's a six speed.

I have no idea if it's the same or not,

but they put a six speed in the in the new one.

I think the actual the actual thing that goes on top of the transmission,

you know, the gear selector thing.

I'm pretty sure it's the same as the GT three.

I mean, why wouldn't they?

Why would they create something new?

Because the nine eleven T is supposed to be ironically a budget sport,

like GT three light.

I felt like it would you.

I mean, so in the world of, you know, there's always the next thing

when you if you had a car like what Paul Spector,

my vastly superior options of what I spec, if you I mean, would you

that those seem to me like those are pretty much the perfect nine elevens

and you don't have to go 350, 400 grand, 650,000.

What's the difference between Paul's car there and a nine eleven ST?

Is it really that much?

No. And yeah, I think all it's going to do is just the portioners

are going to differentiate.

Tim, I am willing to acquiesce and share the winning trophy

that we both chose the right car.

All right. And I don't guys, I'm going to send you both a son

of a full throttle talk sticker as well.

So you're you're both winners.

You guys are finally getting in the groove of doing to promotion,

but you all suck compared to what Casey did.

He absolutely nailed it.

All right, so I think that was fun.

All right, let's go to the next segment.

Building your perfect three Porsche car collection.

I had a lot of fun at this one.

All I had to put in rules to keep you guys into the guard rails.

All you have to do, they all have to be road cars.

Off three driven regularly.

I knew Casey was going to come up with some sort of crazy ass.

You know, they made three race cars from the sixties to totally top top

Trump us, so I had to put in a bunch of extra rules.

No garage display cars, only, you know, driver cars has to be three cars.

Maximum budget of a million dollars all in, which is a lot of money.

And these cars have to be proven, have a proven track record of at least

holding their value. All right.

So Casey, you go first.

I could have four cars just to start because I'm that guy.

Yeah, you are.

So so car number one, we'll start.

We'll start oldest to newest.

Interesting color MFI Carrera.

So pick your poison.

The first one behind me, that's ice green.

You could do arrow blue or I've got an all

virgin one somewhere, but that the pictures are really bad up.

There it is.

I would probably do arrow blue or ice green because ice green super rad.

So that'd be car number one.

Car number two would be the most boring nine nine eleven R you could find

just to make it cheap.

So somewhere around four hundred and fifty grand.

I figured somewhere around two seventy five for a really nice MFI car.

Car number three, really easy nine sixty four RS and maritime blue.

Hard to beat that.

And that leaves me with about seventy five grand left over.

So the last portion that I would pick is a polar silver Audi RS to

rule breaker.

And that's that's about always breaking those rules, man.

I know he always does.

Well, but those are really awesome choices, too.

You know, I had the nine sixty four RS on my list and I took it off.

But I totally agree with your choices.

That would be an ultimate three car garage.

But just going back, you didn't have anything new or newer.

Why not nine nine eleven R?

I was going to do it was between I went.

I needed a car that was really usable and a nine eleven R is significantly

more usable than a nine nine seven three point eight RS.

It's the inputs are a lot lighter.

And I like it's it's a lot easier to drive.

Or I would have gone a second gen three point eight liter RS.

All right, Dave, good luck.

That was really all right.

I'm I'm well, I'm taking I'm going through the history of Porsche

and taking a few spots along the way and sticking a flag in going.

OK, let's let's take a little piece of everything.

So this first car is a fifty seven nine eleven, excuse me, three fifty six

speedster fully restored.

Well, I think this particular car might be somewhere in your backyard as well.

European collectibles has got this car and this one's fully restored.

It's in the three hundredish range.

So all of mine are kind of equally priced, not particularly practical.

The kind of car you're not taken out for long term drives.

Beautiful, simple, interior and gorgeous red.

I mean, this particular interior with this color combination, I think, is just gorgeous.

Everyone's going to ask you, is it real?

Oh, yeah, they will.

They will, but I'll probably say yes, well, I'll make a license plate that says

it's real somehow or something like that for the back of it.

But you're right.

I mean, again, this car in that three hundred thousand dollar range,

that's kind of where this drops.

That's car number one, which is amazing, by the way.

It's worth it.

Definitely is absolutely freaking amazing.

Those cars have half in value in what the last 10 years.

Extraordinary.

Yeah, a great fifty eight.

I mean, there was there's at our at our location, one of the very last fifty

eight speedsters built, and I feel like it traded hands in that fifteen six

two thousand fourteen, fifteen era.

I feel like it traded hands at like seven hundred.

Yeah, and Paul and David's choice of the black with red, if that's original

colors, well, even if it isn't.

But wow, good choice.

Sorry, go ahead, sir.

Good cars.

Well, we've got a fifty eight speedster here in one of our pods out back

that we're going to start restoring for a guy, a NASCAR guy after the first of the

year. So we'll have some photos of that exclusively in our content on full

throttle talk dot com, of course.

Ah, commitment.

So, Dave, Dave, if I sign up, if I sign up, do I get a sticker?

Yes, you will get a sticker for sure.

Awesome.

I will definitely give you one.

So second car, eighty, excuse me, ninety five, nine, nine, three

Herbo WLS two performance upgrade, four hundred and fifty horsepower.

I like there's not a lot of cars I like with aftermarket style wheels.

But a nine nine three with this particular setup, I think is an extremely

handsome car. This one is a blue with a gray interior, not again,

nothing extraordinary here on the interior.

Let's see if I can show that.

There we go.

You know, the sport buckets, the hardbacks, which are obviously

highly sought after.

This was a pretty sweet car, though.

And I think this is probably kind of a pit of me of technology and

build here for Porsche during this period of time, the VBS wheels.

Just, you know, this was a car delivered in Switzerland.

Great car.

Also, again, in that three hundred thousand, I think I really ran up to

about a million dollars total on my particular builds.

And then how could I not pick?

Hang on a second.

I'm going to find my picture.

Yeah, but your last choice.

I'm going to challenge you on that one.

Go ahead.

Oh, well, but, you know, but then this is my lad.

This is my last choice, of course, because I own it.

I bought it when I technically own it in a day or two.

But you go out there and try to find this.

OK, twenty twenty five GT three RS, but you can't buy one of those

like you did at MSRP.

I did. So what the hell?

I mean, you're pulling a casey.

Something else.

Yes.

Altering the rules.

I played by the rules.

I bought three cars for a million bucks.

Oh, this is one of them.

This is the reason I need to even keep the guardrails even tighter.

But those are awesome, though, honestly.

So, David, you like my middle choice, though.

Why didn't you like the middle choice?

No, I did.

And it's on my list, by the way.

I love it.

I loved all your choices.

These are brilliant.

And I can see having all three of those cars.

And I love the fact that every one of these is a really unique experience.

That's in case he did the same thing.

And that's a really cool thing with these Porsche sports cars,

is you really can have really truly, even in the 9-11 family,

they're all very different.

Did you guys hear Seinfeld on Spikes yesterday talking about how he thinks

to 74? Paul, what was it?

The 74?

Just 74.

Well, he's a 74.

Yeah, 74, three liter RS, which, by the way,

casey, where they make like 50 of those.

Oh, I see.

So it's an idea.

He bought the white collection car.

But basically the 70.

He's talking about the 74, which, I mean, Euro Carrera, like the casey pick,

great US Carrera, by the way, we're getting a 74 US Carrera next week,

black on gold.

I'm interested in driving it.

I think they're really he's talking about the 74 to 77 era cars

are over with the three later, right?

That's what he was talking about.

Three liter.

Yeah, he's talking about a straight, like a real three liter RS,

like a big boy car, like a two million dollar.

Yeah, they made 50 of them.

But I heard Magnus say the same thing.

Magnus said this years ago, he said driving between a 73 RS

and that 74, three liters at night and day.

But how does the three liter compare, which is unobtainable,

based on what you guys just told me, how would a three liter drive

compared to a Euro 2.7 and a 74 RS?

I've never, I mean, only three to like one.

Carrera 3.0 in 76, 77, which is a basically the non intercooled

turbo motor without the turbo.

That's what the later Carrera 3.0, I driven those.

Those are more streetable.

They got low end torque.

They're not as, the 74 Euro Carrera is basically an RS

in a better chassis, 73 RS with a better chassis.

Those are like zippy fun.

A Carrera 3.0 is something that I think is a little more GT.

You could do everything.

What Jerry was talking about was the homologated race car,

which is unobtainable.

But if there's a really great article in triple zero,

it's like maybe a month or two ago or sorry, one or two issues

ago where they did a story on that.

And then they also did a story on the SCRS and did comparisons

between the two cars because the SCRS, they needed the response.

So they put MFI in the car, which was kind of old technology,

but they needed it to, they needed that zip that quickly.

It was a really interesting.

And I think at the end of it, it told, I mean, they're both

$2 million cars, right?

It's things that I will never drive.

But there was a really good comparison.

So if you are a subscriber to that, check out that article.

In case, don't discount yourself saying you'll never drive it.

That's not true.

You'll probably, I mean, this newsletter is going to be a,

we're going to all become billionaires from this.

Full throttle talk is going to come in international brand.

We're going to come out with our own vodka.

Come on, man, think big.

I'll sign up for that.

Yeah.

We should all start drinking.

That would really be it tonight.

There's cigars.

I mean, why not?

All right, so I'll go next.

I agree with David, a 993 turbo.

And I'm not that particular about, frankly, the deviant,

the deviant variants.

I'm not as familiar as David is, obviously,

but that's 230 to 280.

And I did some homework on that to make sure I was right.

Do you have that for sale right now, Paul?

No, you sold that.

No, I sold, I sold that twice.

And the last time was the last about a year ago.

OK, am I right on the pricing?

I only, yeah, that was a high mileage one.

It went for 180 because it had 80,000 miles.

But we did sell a silver 40,000 mile one last year for for 245.

So yeah, yeah, depending on color, miles,

I would say anywhere between low twos and high twos will get you a 993 turbo.

Which is a metallic black or sweet or sweet.

This is metallic black, but it had like a brown root beer.

And it had real roof wheels, real roof bumpers, which funny, ironically,

and it had it was ordered with the turbo S wing.

And I would say all those things detracted from the price.

Really, factory, Paul, those things, it came.

No, so so the the car was ordered with the turbo S wing factory.

But the rest of the stuff were real roof parts put on.

You know, I think the front bumper was put on in the 2008.

The rear bumper was put on in 2012 and the wheels were put on 2022.

But they were all purchased from roof.

But yeah, that car had 80, 85,000 miles rebuilt motor.

And I think it sold last August for one hundred and ninety thousand.

And I would say it was cheap because the odometer

and oh, and on car facts, because he put the because he put the bumpers on,

took it to a body shop and paid them to paint the bumpers, match it and put it on.

It showed the body shop was connected to car facts.

And it showed as two minor damages.

So let me let me ask you a question about that.

So can we can we all agree to avoid car facts?

If you're having any work done to your car?

I mean, I don't really see any advantage.

Because no, what I what I do tell people is first go to a shop

and find out, ask them, are they connected to car facts?

Yep. If they are, when you sign that thing at the bottom, it's a privacy thing.

You can basically request that it's not reported.

Now, I don't trust them.

Also, what happens is if a shop doesn't connected and let's say five years later,

they do get connected, they could just data dump.

And I've seen stuff where, for example, this 993 turbo, we sold it in 2020

and the car facts didn't show anything.

We sold it again last year and the car facts showed two incidents

from 15 years ago, because the problem is car facts won't remove bad information.

I mean, cars, you have to have they will like we had a client with a 993.

He put a new windshield in and it showed up as minor damage.

He sent he showed them the receipt and they did get it removed.

But Tim, you're right.

It is it is a it's a process.

It's not but it's ridiculous, though.

The fact is that you have to essentially fight with it's yeah.

Anyway, I don't like yeah.

We can talk a whole thing and shit on them because I hate them.

Yeah.

Well, there you go.

David was wagging your head.

David, are you pro car car facts or anti car facts?

Totally anti.

We were connected with some software that we had for a while and I killed it.

We I don't like it.

I think it's terrible.

I think the information is never accurate.

How many people have gotten screwed with mileage discrepancies

because somebody at a DMV did the wrong exactly the mileage wrong and stuff like

that pisses me off is car facts.

If there's a mileage discrepancy, car facts calls it branded.

Right.

That is not branded California branded titles, lemon law, buyback or salvage.

That's it.

So now I've got to fight something.

And I always my saying is if car facts went all the way back to the fifties,

I think 80% of the cars that got restored would have never got restored

because you're going to go restore a 67 s.

If it's got a car facts of accident damage, why would you bother with that car?

My other two cars were I'll go quick.

So P.S. Paul is chomping at the bit to talk about 67 s's, which I also have

passion for the 2010 2011 Porsche 911 997 to GT3 RS 3.8 manual.

Now, this is becoming a very interesting car.

Thank you for putting up a picture for me, Paul.

I sold that looks identical to the one I actually had.

The fact that we sold ours for one eighty five.

Oh, I know.

And I know, I know, I know.

Oh, you want me to make it even more fun?

It was part of the transaction where I bought the Aventador.

Yeah, these are these are lemon lemon buying moments.

So we sold this car in two thousand twenty two one owner, six thousand miles.

The gray with the red tourist delivery.

Perfect condition.

How much do you think we sold it for in two thousand twenty two?

No idea.

Uh, three hundred and ten thousand.

And I would say today that car is now four hundred getting closer to four hundred.

It is a but that is a very, very specific experience driving those cars.

That one in particular, the one we had, it became an A to A car because

it was fricking brutal.

And I'm not afraid of hard cars, but driving around in Texas, the roads are

not that great.

It was back torture and lower back torture every time.

And by the way, this was one of the few cars where the customer when he dropped

it off and he he specifically said no test drives.

Yeah, I drove it around.

I said, I got to drive it like a block.

I drove it around the block, got to third gear and that was it.

Yeah.

Now you do put a, you know, an interest muffler delete on that thing.

That sounds unbelievably cool.

And the last car I had, I also had before, which I also regret selling a 2018

portion of this was like Tim's regrets podcast, a 2018 Porsche 911 GT3 touring

manual, I wish I would have kept ours.

Ours was, uh, yeah, ours was the two, maybe it was a two, no, it was a 2018.

And those cars are two 10.

Thank you, Paul.

Again, two, two 10 to two 50.

I love that car.

I'm probably going to get another one.

It was just about the perfect car.

The only reason I wouldn't get another one is because our daughter is not tall

and she could fit comfortably in the back of one of those things.

And so I maybe want to, I wouldn't want to fit rear seats, but it's the only

thing would keep me from buying one of those.

Um, because all of our other fun cars are two-seaters.

So in any event, those are my three cars.

Just really quick, just to, to give you pain on yesterday's value.

This is the first square T we sold.

It was an 18 stripper model.

I think it was a 165 MSRP.

It had nothing on it.

It had 1,100 miles.

We sold it in 19.

How much do you think we sold it for?

And 1,100 miles, by the way, in 19 was considered high.

Most of them were under 1,000 miles.

You guys guess I'll guess wrong.

Nineteen, 1,100 miles base strip, no carbon buckets.

170.

Okay.

Dave.

No guess, no guess, Tim.

Yes.

I honestly don't know.

We sold it for MSRP.

165.

Yeah.

You know, so when researching these topics for you guys this week, I really

spent a lot of time trying to kind of be a contrarian because it's fun.

That's the reason I bring up Corvettes all the time.

And I could not find like the more I get into the whole Porsche world, which I've

been in all my life, but the more I go down the rabbit hole, the fewer excuses or

the fewer rationalizations I have forever being able to think of even buying

anything other than a weapon, which is insane.

Cause I'm always looking for some, you know, something else.

So there's got to be a different flavor, but there truly isn't because the

Porsche has just nailed it with that car.

All right, Paul, you are next.

Let's hear your ultimate three car garage maximum budget of a million bucks.

I took it to heart what you said.

And this is what I actually do with my own personal garage.

I want everything to be able to go on a rally.

Everything has to go on a rally.

When I say rally, a touring event where you do a thousand miles of

back roads, the cars in the rain, you may have to go through some water.

It's just, you're going to drive the piss out of the car.

You're going to get rock chips.

First one is I tried to sell this car.

We might get it back.

I adore this car.

The market doesn't.

It's a 1967 S soft window target.

Tim, how many do they make?

Oh, yeah, 150.

I'm remembering like 330, but I could be wrong.

And so what I love about this car is one owner car, Northern California.

He got it as a college graduation present from his mother or grandmother.

And he drove it everywhere.

He went camping with it.

That's him.

That's him in the background up there with his now wife.

And it's probably got 300,000 miles.

He's gotten in three different accidents.

He had to replace offender.

We tried to sell it two years ago.

Engines rebuilt, numbers matching, numbers matching transmission.

I I put 300 miles on this car.

I love driving it top.

The roof on soft window down that motor, that two liter high revving motor.

You know, Tim, it's it's the soft window target is like the the monitor,

the 991.2 speedster.

It's so raspy motor.

It's so raspy.

Yeah, it sounds alive.

I mean, it really does.

It sounds like it sounds like a dog.

It's like you see old videos of Lamar racing movies from the 60s

and those in the 9 11s going by sounds like that.

That car we tried to sell.

I told them it was too much for 280.

If we get it back, it's probably a two hundred thousand dollar car.

Incredible.

And it's in the and the sad reason is it's not a collector grade

because it needs to be restored and enthusiasts don't care.

It's really kind of this ugly middle.

But that's the kind of cars I love.

I would take this on a vintage rally and drive the snot out of it.

And it really wouldn't matter if I wasn't feel I was maybe a little

tired, didn't want to go experience a sixty seven s.

Boom, I'm going to go to one of my favorite cars.

I've preached about it.

This is a roof BTR.

This let's see where there's my notes on it.

It is an eighty five roof BTR three dark blue over blue leather

sports seats.

It's sold at R.M. and Scottsdale for four hundred and forty five thousand.

So here's the difference is there's roof.

Vin cars where it starts off as a roof car or like this case,

someone bought a nine thirty sent it to roof kind of like they did with Alpina

and roof did the whole build and they're sending those back.

So it's a Porsche of Vin with a full roof build that, you know,

today refurbishment is three to four hundred thousand dollars.

But this car has air conditioning.

It has probably four hundred horsepower.

This would be a little more comfort edition or like on this current rally.

My friend's nine thirty was broken, so he took a car.

I would do and I would drive this not out of this.

This is a twenty three to car in shade green.

This one had under five hundred miles sold for three hundred and twenty four thousand.

I think I'm bringing a trailer.

The only thing it has that I hate is the carbon buckets.

But it's yeah, those are my three cars that comes out to just about a million dollars.

Any questions or comments, guys?

I should have picked.

I should have picked a three fifty six.

I should have picked a speedster.

I think Dave Dave really knocked the nail in the head because that is such a cool.

I've never I've only driven a speedster a very short distance.

I have a lot of seat time in a sixty B roadster.

But speedsters are really awesome.

Have you driven one of these, Casey?

I've never driven a nine eleven older than.

I've only the oldest nine eleven is going to sound bad.

The oldest nine eleven I've ever driven is a seventy three RS.

I mean, that that is a bit bougie.

But if you drove a two liter short wheelbase nine eleven.

Yeah, I've got a fifty six would just disappear from your thought.

No, I've got a client with the with the sixty seven Daytona winning nine eleven.

It's a sixty five.

I'm he probably let me drive that.

So I'll have to I'll have to check that box.

Drive it and check back with us.

So Dave's got to take his GT3 RS to a track day before he can take it to cars and coffee.

You need to drive a short wheelbase two liter.

So I have a question for you guys.

And Casey and I were talking about this.

There's a BTR.

I don't know.

Let's call it a client build BTR versus a roof build.

I don't know the market.

I'm surprised, honestly, that that car, which looks spectacular, sold for forty forty five.

And I'm thinking about Casey's two thousand sixteen nine eleven R versus this BTR.

I'm not sure which I would choose if I was willing to spend four hundred and fifty grand.

I want to ask you guys that question.

And second of all, what's the price difference between a roof built BTR with a roof then

and a customer built by roof BTR?

What's the price difference?

Fifty percent.

Holy crap.

This was an actual roof build.

And it was an original.

It was built as a BTR from roof with their VIN instead of four, four fifty.

I think it would have been six hundred seven hundred.

Seriously, that's extraordinary.

And what's but what's effective effectively?

What's the difference?

I mean, at the end of the day, different then different then that's it.

That's amazing.

So what would you guys choose that Paul's BTR or Casey's nine eleven two thousand sixteen nine eleven R?

I like I like I mean, I know a Paul would pick.

I like naturally aspirated engines and the R is super special.

I've talked about it before.

It there's a lot more than when you when you look at it on paper.

It's not it's not that interesting, but driving the car is awesome.

The what they did to make that car work is really great.

And it's it there's not a lot of other cars that compare to it.

And I never thought that when I sold Porsches new because we never got one.

They all went to nine eighteen buyers.

But when now that I drive one routinely, it's really special.

That's awesome.

David, what do you think?

I'd pay.

I'd probably go with Casey's car there.

You know, I mean, and I only say that purely from the standpoint of, you know,

being practical or reliability and, you know, having to tinker turbos, those kinds of things.

Come on, Paul, don't shake your head.

No, no, this.

See, here's the thing I like about the BTRs and even the nine thirties.

I call them thinking man's Porsches.

They test drive like shit.

Hold on.

You just said David and Casey aren't thinking you're they're not thinking man.

Yes, these are these are the nine eleven R is lovely.

And I did choose it on the next thing.

But the problem is the nine eleven R is too easy.

You you're going to drive a BTR a nine thirty for six months and you're going to regret that

buying decision until one day you frickin figure it out and you go, this isn't a nine eleven.

This is a whole different thing.

And when you learn to drive it and this is out of personal experience,

it is like it is like hitting a hole in one and golf.

Sucking a golf, you can't just say that.

So you can't just say that.

So when you're saying that versus a nine thirty turbo, something equivalent.

Tell me what the difference is.

Tell me why you're so unique.

That mean the BTR versus the nine thirty turbo?

Yes, sir.

It just it just turns it from ten to eleven.

It takes all the nine thirty part.

It doesn't make the car less turbo lag.

It doesn't make it less of a widowmaker.

It makes it more of everything and more of everything and a nine thirty to me is just

awesome and it's just excessive and it's so roof.

Roof loves to just take what Porsche dialed to a seven and turn it to eleven

and just scare the crap out of you.

And going back to Jerry Seinfeld, I think what he really sold it for is that car scared the,

you know, made him poo his pants.

Ultimately, it is it is a scare.

They they when you talk to Aloys Roof, he loves to build scary ass cars.

And I think if you have a near death experience in your car, it makes it more interesting.

I'll give you that.

That's a nice.

It's more memorable.

That's for sure.

Yeah, you know, near death.

Do you remember that?

That's that's a high point.

I remember that.

Yeah.

I would personally I would choose your BTR for sure.

And and in the reason why is it would be more of a unique driving experience

than the nine eleven art, though I adore the nine eleven art,

but I would definitely choose the older car that I also have other if it were my only

special car and or this and say Casey's RS to there.

I would probably choose the two thousand sixteen nine eleven art.

But if I had multiple special cars, I would choose your BTR.

That would be how my mind wires it all together.

Yep.

All right.

Cool.

All right.

You guys ready to move on?

Are you are you ever going to keep in their stand stand on it?

Yeah, let's do this for that.

All right.

Let's do this or that.

All right.

Paul, since you're on a roll, you can go next.

All right.

This or that I chose.

Let me pull up my and just to the record,

their goal was to keep the show at 90 minutes today.

And so I think I'm struggling right now.

We're going to be quick.

This or that.

So really quick.

I have this was crazy.

I think these cars are undervalued until this car popped up.

A two thousand eight GT two fourteen hundred miles.

They made only a hundred and ninety four of these for the U.S. market.

They have sat kind of unloved.

This one sold for four hundred ninety five thousand.

So after fees, it's sold for half a million dollars plus.

I think what made it so for that much is,

believe it or not, red's a unique color.

Casey can attest this.

Most of them were frickin black.

I have a close friend named Will in Texas.

He got an allocation from Brumos.

He's like, what should I order?

I'm like, Gulf blue, Gulf blue, Gulf orange.

No one's going to order that.

And he ordered black and I was about to kill him.

He still has the car.

But anyway, when you put miles on a track,

it it just drops his car down to half the value.

That is one car.

The other car I chose.

Casey, I am a lover of this car is the nine eleven R.

This car sold on bring a trailer recently for four hundred and eighty seven thousand dollars.

It's a sixteen nine eleven R forty five hundred miles.

I think it kept it under half a million.

And it was only that price because it had the dual clutch,

which I think is the stupidest metric when you can go add a single mass flywheel, right?

Am I not wrong?

Can you put so we have a listener that reached out to me about the dual mass flywheel.

And apparently there is a lot more to it than just doing a dual mass flywheel.

It also has to do with programming and other things.

But here to me, the irony of all that is I bet you if you put most people who own nine eleven

R's in one with a dual mass and one with a single mass,

they probably aren't going to drive it to a point that they're going to notice the difference

or be good enough at shifting that it's going to matter.

But it does swing the value probably twenty five grand.

I'll take the cheaper way.

I love the original BP look, which people think was green.

It was actually red.

And the only thing I don't like about I love the gauges.

The only thing I don't like about it is the the carbon torture seats.

You know, I would take, although these are cool with Pepita,

I would take the 18 way, you know, couches.

The single the single mass flywheel when you're at a stoplight and starts to make that,

you know, crazy ass noise and everyone's looking at you.

That's kind of a fun experience to just for the record.

Yeah.

So there you go.

All right.

So what would you guys think?

Which would you?

So Paul, which would you choose?

Are you leaving it up to us?

Me personally, the turbo, I mean, I hate a 1400 mile car because I'll feel guilty.

I'm going to literally drive the value out of that car.

But I think this is you show up to a cars and coffee.

I think this is maybe a little bless a you show up to this.

When was the last time you saw a 99?

I mean, this is the last GT2 Metzger manual.

I mean, the last GT2 with a manual period GT2.

And actually, are there any GT2s?

They just went to GT2 RS, right?

The two RS.

So to me, I've seen one on the road.

He comes to Newcombe's and God love him.

It's a red one.

He drives the shit out of it.

But other than that, I never see these anymore.

David, what would you choose between Paul's two?

I would definitely take the red car, the GT2 GT2.

Casey, how about you?

Great car.

I hate this as the as the 997 guy.

I'd hate to say that I'd take the 911 R.

But I've got a lot of seat time.

And we sold we sold a GT2 when it was new.

And I'm surprising to me that that car got that much money and has the wrong seats in it.

Because those the seats literally started in the GT2.

And I drive GT2 RS's a lot and they're really scary, like really scary.

Like don't put your foot the whole way in it's scary.

So I'd probably pick the R.

That's interesting.

So those do the you got me thinking now, do the 997 GT2 RS's,

do they not have like traction control and whatnot?

Are they like the GT?

It's two stage.

It's got it's got stability management and traction control.

It's just that as far as an internal combustion engine car,

being able to control that volume of speed with a manual transmission is pretty daunting.

Like if you just put it in third or second and mash it.

I mean, like if the tires are cold, they'll break loose in third gear.

I mean, like it's it's a really, really, really fast car.

You just have to change my choice.

I'm going to go with the 2016 911 R.

Here's the thing is if I had a choice between this and instead of this,

it was it was a 997.2 GT2 RS manual.

I would choose the 911 R2 because I think that car is like C7 ZR1 Corvette,

like undriveable, like to the point where it's not even scary.

It just becomes undriveable.

Whereas I think the GT2 kind of like the BTR is drivable,

but you've got to learn how to drive it.

That's the key.

I love cars that are going to force you to think and figure it out.

And it's just not going to be super easy.

All right.

So next up is our resident thinking man, Casey, what are your choices?

All right.

So I did the opposite because I saw what everybody else was picking this week.

Car number one is a.

So I've been on this kick of old Volkswagen's recently.

And I always old Volkswagen's and old cars actually have three this that or that.

So car number one is a Volkswagen Lupo.

I'm trying to think of things that you could show up to in a Radwood

and everybody would just stop and be like, wait a minute, what is that?

So car number one is a Lupo.

It is still as a day left.

It's probably going to sell for about five grand, 5,500 bucks.

Car number two closes today.

This is a Mark III Golf with like 9,000 miles on it.

And it's straight poverty spec out of, I think, Germany.

It doesn't even have air conditioning, but the seats are super rad.

Look, it's got roll up.

It's got roll up windows.

And are those like 10 inch wheels?

What the hell are they?

There's probably 13s or 14s, if I had to bet.

Actually, they're probably 13s.

Is that the US?

It's on cars and bids.

Somebody freaking brought that to the United States.

Both of these cars are on cars and bids right now.

They spent more on the drive on drive off shipping than it did for the car.

That's incredible.

And so that car, the Golf is, I think, it's at 5,700 bucks.

So this is probably going to be a $7,000 or $8,000 car.

And then one of my favorite cars that I love.

Any time I go to Europe, I love Renault Clio's.

It's just such a cool car.

And it reminds me of playing Gran Turismo when I was a kid.

So this car, it's a right hand drive UK market example.

It's sold for $3,500.

So those are your options.

You've got a Lupo, which is probably a Gran.

You've got a Golf, which is probably a 9 Gran.

Or you've got a Renault Clio.

And I hate to really bring everybody down.

Is the Renault here in the US?

This car sold for, it was a no reserve car that sold on cars

and bits for $3,400 in June.

What do you do with that thing, though?

Who's going to fix that thing?

Oh, I don't know.

You just throw it away.

Man, it's 3,400 bucks.

That's your problem.

Yeah, man.

Leave it by the side of the road.

Well, it's the Lansing cameras, one use only.

Yeah, it's like you just leave it somewhere.

So Casey, what would you choose?

Since these are your three choices?

I'll mark three guys.

So this 10,000 mile Mark III Golf, I think is awesome,

even though it's super cool.

And honestly, if you rock that thing into a rabbet,

I guarantee you would win some award.

You've got to come in and you've got to hot box it.

That's what you've got to do.

Cheap thrills for, cheap thrills.

And I think it'll always be worth that.

And I love Mark III Volkswagen.

It's a really great car.

And a German built one, too.

Didn't they build the US based ones?

I think they built those in Mexico.

They're Mexico.

And these are both of the Volkswagen's I pick

were both German built.

David, what would you choose if this is the option?

I just like the strippiness of the Mark III.

I just think that that is the coolest part of that.

If you switch back to the interior picture there, Casey,

I just love that.

Oh, the pattern seats are awesome.

Simplicity of that and just nothingness of it.

But at that price, come on, that's a sweet car.

That's a cool car.

That's a public transport fabric.

It's great.

I picked the Renault because, did you have an interior shot?

Because you've got to.

I don't unfortunately, I'm sorry.

I would be surprised if the clutches on the right,

the gas pedals on the left.

Yeah, the instrument clusters in the back seat,

they'll do something funky.

That rear window, like the rear side window,

I always just found so attractive.

It's just such an interesting car.

Yeah, I'll take the Renault because I show up

with that and that is just going to be knowing.

You win any cars and coffee.

Pull that right next to a Veyron.

Boom.

Park it.

Who's going to get my attention?

Who's going to help me with my pictures?

One of you guys got to help me.

I'll go relatively quick.

You got that thing?

There you go.

Okay.

So I said we're going to bring this up later.

All right.

So we have a choice between a Singer design study.

It's the one with the Williams motor.

And just absolutely a pinnacle car for sure.

And versus a 2015 Porsche 918 Spider.

I was honestly surprised to see that both of these

sold for roughly the same money.

And I'm like, I was, you know, what would I choose?

I would personally, I would choose the 918.

But to Singer's credit, the very fact that people

are paying two and a half million dollars for their cars,

where they, you all are going, people are going to say,

well, it's because the guy buying a, you know,

two and a half million dollar Singer is going to also have

a 918 as a garage.

And it's probably true.

But considering where the market is right now,

going forward, you know, you're spending that much money.

You have to think about what the long-term return

on your investment is going to be,

air quitting investment.

I'm going to put my money on the 918.

Paul, you get to go first since you have a sarcastic look

on your face or do you just need to go to the bathroom?

Well, both, that's my face right now.

I probably, I like the 918, but I'm a 911 guy.

If this was a regular, because it's the William Singer,

which is really cool and interesting motor,

I would pick this.

If it was just the regular Singer, whatever,

I would, I would pick the 918.

So I'm picking the Singer.

So as the Williams motor, a bespoke motor,

similar to our friend's flat eight motor, right?

So if that car is worth that much more,

because it's got that special Williams motor in it,

I really wonder if that flat eight motor

we were talking about earlier,

it's going to make its way to some really cool,

air-cooled generation 911s and be the next thing.

So, you know, hopefully that happens.

So what do you think, David,

if you had to choose between the two?

I'd probably lean like Paul, meaning the 918

is certainly an epic car.

And when you look at it and study it closely,

it's just got a lot of like extremely interesting

characteristics and so on.

I mean, and it will certainly carry its weight

as a collectible into the future for sure.

But there's something in particular

about that color combination on that DSL,

on that particular car.

I really find that car appealing.

I would go with the Singer.

It's because it's reminding you of Albert.

That's why.

It could be.

Maybe it is.

I mean, I like the color.

I just like everything about it.

It's a great looking car.

It's certainly also a car.

I don't know that it does as well long term

in terms of an investment grade car

as the fighter.

But yeah, yeah.

What do you think, Casey?

I like that.

918, no question.

Yeah.

Even though it has aftermarket wheels,

I mean, put the fact that it was back then.

I don't even think anybody, I've watched that auction.

I don't even think anybody pointed out

that it had aftermarket wheels on it.

I learned that aftermarket wheels on it from you

on our previous podcast.

Yeah, I wasn't even going to.

Yeah, so I love blue.

I've got experience on the Matt Farah podcast.

They were talking about Meredith,

where he's going to drive the car.

I've got experience with Meredith as well,

which is one of the, and actually a little nerdy fact.

If somebody will correct me if I'm wrong,

but on those prototype 918s,

all the numbers on them are triple zero.

We need to tell them what Meredith is.

Where, Casey?

Yeah, so Meredith, Porsche Cars North America

had two prototype 918s.

And when I went to the dealer launch at Road Atlanta,

where I went 175 in the rain, I drove the silver one.

Meredith was on static display

to teach us how the inside of the car worked.

But Meredith was a dark blue metallic

or midnight blue metallic,

similar to the one that the one is behind Paul right now.

So I have a soft spot in my heart for dark blue 918s.

I think the color does super well on that car.

And even though I'm scared to drive it,

because there are $2.5 million plus cars now,

I feel the same way about the singer.

But I would certainly like looking at the 918 more.

They just absolutely look like spaceships.

Yeah, I agree.

And they're aging well too.

They're beautiful cars.

Very, very, very well.

Do you guys value too?

Are we going to hold?

Are we going to hold the line for listener questions?

Hold it.

I still got my did Dave still got his.

Maybe we can do listener questions next week.

We'll start out with listener questions next week.

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Okay, this is self-serving.

It is becoming that time of year again,

where my wife is deciding that it's time for a new ride for her.

And this has become kind of a once a year situation for me.

And I am picking two cars that would probably be in contention,

although she drives this right now,

a 2021 version of this.

This is a obviously a full size Range Rover

with super, super charged, of course.

And I didn't dig in and get a whole bunch of pictures of this.

These cars, obviously they fall like a rock

when they're, you know, from brand new until you drive them.

But they are really quite buying a used one of these

by a three year old, one of these.

As far as a luxury SUV, this is a tough car to beat.

I mean, these are gorgeous, gorgeous cars

that are highly well appointed.

If you don't keep them too long,

they actually aren't terrible in terms of reliability.

You get these cars past 75,000 miles though,

and you're about to start to get gigantic bills for airbags

and excuse me, the suspension lift,

you know, airbags and the suspension and whatnot.

But we've had three or four of these and they're great cars.

I mean, they really are.

So this is this choice, this one sold, I think it was a 23.

I think it sold for around $105,000.

Okay, now I am this car.

My least, this is the car that I, every time my wife,

this is purely a flex car for her.

She's never driven one.

She's never probably even sat in one as far as I'm concerned.

But for some reason, this car keeps coming up

in the conversation and I just don't get it.

So maybe one of you guys can help me.

Why do ladies love those?

David, you're right.

That's my question for those not, this is a G-wagon.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

Forgive me.

Yes, it's yeah.

So where Zoe goes to school, our daughter goes to school,

Julie drives her Alfa Romero, Julia every day.

She's got this green one.

It's gorgeous.

And there are like 10 of those damn things.

And they're all driven by these tiny little women,

you know, five, five and shorter and they love them.

And you never see a guy driving one of those.

I don't get the female appeal to those.

No, it feels like they should have a bedazzled license plate

frame.

You know, they've got all the little sparkly crap on it

and they've got a bedazzled steering wheel cover.

We just sold an 18 one, 18 or 19.

And I drove it for a day.

I could not wait to get out of that.

It's so hard riding.

And those cars were, I haven't even driven one of these things.

And the windshield is like a 60s VW bug.

It's just this flat glass like right here in your face.

The only thing I do like is the brand new limited edition one

in that green color.

They made 200.

I have a couple of clients who bought that, including

someone who does store it on their, on our premises.

And it's a retro look.

That one's kind of cool.

But in general, why women like those?

I don't know.

David drive, the one, the one you're looking at has,

I think the pre update.

So make sure your wife drives the old one versus the new one

because the old one, especially the AMG version rides

harder than hell.

You'll be shocked.

And then you get it in the newer one.

They've kind of fixed it, but here nor there.

But, but this is, this is in that, it's also in that $100,000

range, which is why I mean, here we are.

I would probably, you know, having had experience here,

I have said certainly personally to her, not going to happen,

honey.

The G wagon just does not happen.

And so she's probably used to that.

I'm sure she's listening to this podcast right now, though.

However, not after this much time.

She's smarter than that.

She had other shit to do.

She probably, by the way, the G wagon will probably hold its

value and be a lot more alive.

100% better.

Yep.

I agree 100%.

We had one of those exact Range Rovers, by the way.

And we got rid of it before the warranty was over

because it started every morning.

It was a different check engine like such a sequence of rainbows

of lights.

Yeah, we got rid of it.

But I agree.

So what do you think, Casey, if you had to choose between

the Rover and the G wagon?

I sold against Range Rovers for a long time and had

similar feedback to what you were saying.

So if I had to pick between those two, it would be a G wagon.

Yep.

Paul, what do you think?

I would take the Range Rover because I hate G wagon so much.

G wagon, I mean, the Range Rover is a great driving car.

If it ain't broken, it's really nice.

And I'm the kind of guy that would buy the 75,000 mile,

10-year-old one and just try to go how bad could it be.

And then five years after that, I mean, don't forget,

I drive a 2003 Jaguar as my daily driver and I've owned it

for 10 years plus.

I would lean in with David.

I'd buy the Rover, frankly.

And the supercharged one is what I'd probably get.

Get it otherwise because without the supercharged,

it's a big, heavy pig.

Yeah, well, and not to mention the Rover is actually really

freaking comfortable with the G wagon just wants you to die.

So there you go.

All right.

That I think we've covered everything except listener

questions, which we're going to start out.

We did it.

It was a marathon session, a full throttle talk.

I think we should just give up.

Congratulations, guys.

I'm going to give you the hack.

It's called having a lovely wife that always keeps your coffee cup full.

There you go.

That's right.

Thank you to Tim.

Silver Porsches Instagram for the obscenely large coffee cup

with the tiniest little crawdad.

Yeah, clearly he doesn't like that.

Tim, I picked that RS2 in silver just for you, buddy.

Oh, there you go.

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