Porsche GT Pricing Scam(?); Zack's M3 Tariff; EV Charegers Cancelled
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tariffs
Tariffs are extra taxes you have to pay when buying things from other countries. This makes the imported stuff more expensive.
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Supreme Court ruling
The Supreme Court is the top court in the U.S. When they make a decision, it can change important rules, like taxes on imports.
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country of origin
Country of origin means the country where something was made. This can change how much tax you pay when buying it.
Car
Aston Martin Valhalla
The Aston Martin Valhalla is a very fast and fancy car that uses both gas and electric power. It is made to be a top-level sports car.
Car
Hyundai Ioniq
The Hyundai Ioniq is a car that uses electric power or a mix of gas and electric. Some versions are made to be faster and more exciting to drive.
Car
Hyundai Ioniq 5
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 is an electric car that looks different and has new technology. Some versions are made to be faster and more fun to drive.
Term
EV chargers
EV chargers are machines that put electricity back into electric cars so they can drive. Different chargers can fill up the car's battery faster or slower.
Term
lithium
Lithium is a special metal used to make batteries for electric cars and chargers. Without enough lithium, making these batteries is hard.
Term
cobalt
Cobalt is a metal used inside electric car batteries to help them work better and last longer. Getting cobalt can be tricky because it comes from only a few places.
Company
BaT
BaT is a website where people can buy and sell special cars by bidding on them, like an online auction.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3 Touring
The Porsche 911 GT3 Touring is like the GT3 sports car but looks less flashy. It still drives very fast but doesn't have the big wing on the back.
Car
Porsche 911 GT3
The Porsche 911 GT3 is a special, fast sports car made by Porsche. It's designed for racing and driving on tracks, and only a few are made, so dealers get just a few to sell.
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Dealer allocation
Dealer allocation means the car company gives only a few special cars to each dealer because they don't make many. Dealers get to sell only those few cars.
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MSRP
MSRP is the price the car company says a car should cost when you buy it from a dealer. It's like the sticker price on a new car.
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consignment
Consignment means you let someone else sell your car for you. They show it to buyers and handle the sale, but you still own the car until it sells.
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franchise dealer
A franchise dealer is a car dealer officially allowed to sell new cars from a certain car company, like Porsche or Ford. They also sell used cars and offer repairs.
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CPO (Certified Pre-Owned)
CPO cars are used cars checked and fixed by the dealer to make sure they are in good shape. They usually come with extra guarantees to protect you.
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independent dealership
Independent dealerships are car sellers that don’t work for a specific car company. They sell used cars from many brands but not new cars from one company.
Concept
muscle cars
Muscle cars are old American cars that were made to be really fast and cool-looking. People like to collect them, and sometimes they become more valuable over time.
Term
four-cylinder hybrid
A four-cylinder hybrid is a car engine that uses a small gas engine and an electric motor together. This helps save gas but can sound different from bigger engines.
Brand
Yamaha
Yamaha is a company that makes motorcycles and scooters. The Zuma 125 is one of their small scooters that many people like because it works well and is reliable.
Car
Vespa
A Vespa is a type of small scooter that is easy to ride in cities. It has a comfy seat and is less tricky to use than a motorcycle, making it good for short trips and stop-and-go traffic.
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manual transmission
Manual transmission means you have to change gears yourself when riding, which can be harder and more work, especially when stopping and starting a lot.
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platform sharing
Platform sharing means different cars are built using the same basic parts and frame. This helps car companies save money and make cars faster.
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turbocharger
A turbocharger is a part that uses the car's exhaust to spin a fan that pushes more air into the engine, making the car faster and more powerful.
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supercharger
A supercharger is like a pump that pushes extra air into a car's engine to make it stronger and faster. It helps the engine burn more fuel and create more power.
Car
Buick Regal GS
The Buick Regal GS is a car from the 1990s that was faster than normal because it had a special part called a supercharger that helped the engine make more power.
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turbocharged
Turbocharging means using a special fan powered by the car's exhaust to push more air into the engine so it can go faster.
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reserve price
The reserve price is the lowest amount the seller wants to get for the car. If bids don’t reach this amount, the car might not be sold.
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F1
F1 is a type of car racing where the fastest and most advanced cars race on tracks around the world. It's like the top level of car racing.
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IMSA racing
IMSA racing is a type of car race in North America where cars race for a long time to test their speed and durability.
Car
Pontiac Aztek
The Pontiac Aztek is a type of SUV that looks different from most cars and some people think it looks strange. It was made to be useful and practical.
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EV
An EV is a car that runs on electricity instead of gas. It uses batteries to move and does not make smoke like regular cars.
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Alright folks on this episode of the podcast. We are back in studio after about a week and change on the ocean
It was amazing. I have an all-new alarm system. That's causing me a little bit of headache
Zach gets a tariff bill for a tiny little nothing
Car part the EV charger mandate got taken away while we were gone and a whole lot more
Including scams with GT3s. It's the smoking tire podcast
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Refuse to live like that. Very crocodile dvd refuse. I refuse to live like that anymore. I'm never gonna have a
Fucking yacht like we saw down there never gonna have one of those
But what am I gonna have the best of the little things? That's a good way to go. Actually, that's a pretty
That's like a pretty good
Way to a nice life. I think sure well you use that every day and the people that own those yachts
Do not yeah, you know, especially they rent that shit for a week for $400,000. Well, that's believe it or not
That's better. That's the value option
Versus owning it. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah
There's no there's no faster way to burn money on the planet south of space flight. Yeah, a giant fucking yacht
I mean, but we saw some beautiful ones Zach and I got back last night. Welcome everybody
Got home at like 11 o'clock long travel day, California to the BVI is a bitch. That's like
Certainly not like complaining about vacation, but like a funny thing about
Places that like east coasters vacation versus places that like west coasters vacation like if you're on the east coast like
Everybody down there was like, oh, we're from, you know, the Midwest were from New York
We're from Florida, whatever because real easy to get there from there. Even our buddy Nat Monday, bro
HPN to San Juan. Yeah
It's like I was flying to Hawaii. It's yeah, we're spoiled with Hawaii and even Tahiti
The South Pacific is like pretty accessible from California. Well, it's six hours closer than if you eat from New York
Well, it's it's long, but it's direct. Yeah, like you fly fucking the papayette. You know, why there's just ocean between
Yeah, what choice do you have?
Well, you could have fucking Indiana Jones did through like, you know, Hawaii and then some other like random like a million
Amelia Earhart
Whatever
But yeah got home last night and I feel I feel refreshed. Yeah, so good. I look tan
Yeah, happens gradually. Well, the lighting in here is weird like your head and face got much tanner throughout the week
Yeah, yeah, but now with this light, it's hard to tell. I'm really farmer. Yeah, I did a lot of shirts
Did a lot of rash guards a lot of SPF 50 gotta be smart about this shit
We're in our 40s. Yeah, well, we saw this 20 year olds like a group of five dudes all who were just cooked red
Oh my god, my sister-in-law Jillian who cannot help herself
The just screamed at them from one boat to another like, you know, they sell sunscreen in the store in there like and
I was like, you could have you could have just been like a nudge nudge
Check out the redness instead. But all right. She's gotta do it. That's how she rolls
She's aggressive like that. Yeah, gotta do it. It's I'd say it's in love, but like I don't think it is
It's in it is it's in love when it's to to someone she loves
She's she talks shit to me and that's that is love
Yeah, and to her to to to Hannah and that's love but like to those guys. I think I think that was just raw
She uses the same instrument to communicate to different people. Yeah
But yeah, I had a good half second half of our sailing trip
I don't know if you anyone who watched the video version of our little yacht cast
One thing I noticed a lot when I saw the video is how much you could actually see the boat moving because we were at
Marina key and
That was the only night of the trip where I was like this sucks
Because it was two to three foot like rollers for 20 hours. Yeah, and it was dude. It was fucking we were it was at a
We're in a position where the wind and the swells were not going the same way and that's
Real shitty on a catamaran
Particularly on a catamaran. It's almost the only circumstance on a catamaran
The other circumstance being trying to sail up wind but that not withstanding
It's the only circumstance we're living on a catamaran sucks balls because we had this sort of a reef break
That was bending the swell a certain way in front of us the reef break that like sort of protected this area
Ended right at our boat because we had like the shittiest last-minute mooring and
The swell bent around so the the wind had us pointing you know on our mooring right into the wind
But then the swell was coming at the side. Oh that shits a lot of movement. That was tough, dude
That was a tough night. There was there's nothing luxurious about that night after that though. Yo Svendike
Luxurious fabulous. What a great place to visit well
And I noticed people might have noticed if you listen to the audio of that when I was reading the questions
I stumbled on the words a lot. It was freaking me out. Yeah, and like later that night
I was trying to read in bed and I was like having read trying to read your book
Which had smaller font that I'm used to and I didn't have readers with me
And I was like am I entering Bruce Willis dementia this week like I got real worried
Yeah, and then I looked it up seasickness and it's it's trying to read like small font font on a boat
The first couple days is hard because your brain is paying attention to the movement of the boat
And when it's these weird swells like there's basically a ton of information happening while you try to focus on something stationary
It would be like trying to like read your phone while being a passenger in a car that's off-roading a rally car
Yeah, yeah, it's and and especially where we were on that mooring the swells were not even when you're sailing
The the motion of the ocean is actually fairly predictable like if you're going upwind
It's like bounce bounce bounce from the front
Okay, and if you're going downwind you sort of have this wave surfing that happens like it's just a sort of
Like a very mellows
Surfing, but it's like pretty predictable and you don't actually get like sick like that
But man that was that was a tough one, but it got much better and I do you have any do you still have any sea legs?
this yeah when I woke up it was gone yesterday, and then I woke up this morning and
Apparently like until you start walking around your brain. Yeah, I think it's still on the boat. So that was annoying
I didn't like it, but Sarah's like I don't want this feeling to end. She wants to carry the
Sea legs. Yeah, Valium. She needs to
Drunk all the time start taking a lot of Valium. Yeah, or some captain Jack's Barrow it. What was the rum?
I don't want to blow it up too hard before. Yeah, the
Wasn't one called plantation. Yeah, that's tough, but
plant the plantation 20 year 20 year anniversary
Basically, we learned that if you drink old rum it will cost a
10th or less the price of an equivalent bourbon and taste better and be delicious
Quite good. Like that was like whenever did you do you when did you discover really expensive tequila?
That really expensive tequila like sipping tequila was like a good thing. I think I was
26, yeah, and I had taken a five-year break from tequila because of an unfortunate 20 21 to 26
And I did too I did too that vomit was tough. It was that with Tabasco sauce
It was a heaven and hell party
Tabasco, yeah, oh
Nothing says frat party
And that was the second worst drink that night the worst is called a cement mixer
Oh, I know what that is. Please don't even
Bailey's you put lime juice on it you put it in your mouth and then you shake your head and it curdles and turns to cottage cheese in your mouth
But my friend we're at a restaurant he said you got to try this it's don Julio 1942 and I'd sipped it and it brought me back in
Yeah, no once you have a very expensive tequila and you go oh this can that can be this and I think we learned
We learned that with rum on this one was $60 for the bottle. Yeah, like it's expensive
I guess for rum, but that's but it tasted like something that if it was bourbon it would have been 600 for a bottle correct
Man these high-end rums. We were at the Cooper Island
Rumbar bar they had like 300 rums and a guy who really knew his shit and then the next night
We went to the bitter end rum bar. Yeah, he used to run
When we were like, oh, we were just a cooper island this dude was his face you could just start to see
The hatred he turned into Darth Vader of rum
Yeah, it's like meeting meeting someone and telling them your girlfriend's name and they stare you and go, do you know her?
Yeah
Oh, did she leave you for me? Yeah
About those dolphins, but dude if you don't know if you don't know about fucking
Maybe we're just really late to this the rum game, but like damn that Jimmy Buffett was on to something
All right enough boats
We got back to a couple of surprises
I have a new
Alarm system installed at the shop here that I had to get this is a tech thing that happens
This has happened to me twice now. Maybe it's happened to somebody else you have a very fancy system put in that's like
an alarm or security camera system or maybe like home theater kind of thing and you
The system is so good that a bigger company like a honey well or a whatever big industrial giant like acquires them
For like ten billion dollars or whatever the fuck
But then a couple years later
It's like absorbed into the greater system and like your features stop to work
Stop working and or like the customer service is absorbed into and it's like
You know all of a sudden you you call customer service and you get the big company
And they don't even like know what the little company is anymore to purchase a plane press to you're like, you know, it's honey
Well, yeah, so like I got to a point with my like like my my systems
Like my admin system of the my cameras and alarms
That this this company that we used was acquired by a much bigger company
The system still worked that company was acquired by a bigger company
It went to from guppy to fucking
medium fish to shark and
Now like I don't want to say like nothing work like it works
But like many features became inaccessible
And like I had to do like a master admin password reset and that function stopped
So like my cameras were still recording my alarm is still working all that shit
But like all of a sudden there were no changes I could make well
Yeah, like the web portal like is that what happened like six months ago when some of the displays in here
We're just showing like binary code. Mm-hmm. Oh, okay
That was that and and and annoyingly the big security the big monitor that I have in my office
And whatever that shows me the the cameras that stopped working, which is that drove me nuts. So anyway
What choice do I have?
Start over upgrade the entire system to a new this new one blah blah blah. This has happened a couple times now
And I was like this new one
We need to find a company that is like committed
To farm-to-table security like not like not being acquired like they like a long-term
Company like at least we leave because this is like tens of thousands of dollars for this shit
so anyway and and
You know that are my the company that does my installs. They're they're they're professionals
they're doing huge huge commercial projects apartment buildings and hospitals and shit and
And they're like I like I understand how crazily frustrated like this has happened like across the industry
For all of these like high-end specialized like systems
Maybe people can relate if they're using if they're in other industries where this happened to maybe it's healthcare
Whatever portal they're using or audio or you know, I'm sure there's a million of them where shit just like stops working
So it's been fucking all this money
But we're gonna have a better system now
But you got a surprise I got you got a surprise from the government. I got a note. I got a letter from the government
You know a couple weeks ago my C pillar fell down in my car. You're see pillow. I see pillar
Yeah, and inside inside the passenger side, you know rear glass area and all the there's all these like little clips on the inside
This large piece of plastic and they got old and shattered. Yeah, you know right after the interior was reupholstered
Did we find them the clips? No
By we by we you mean me that like
Anyway, so I'll get there
So I was gonna you know instead of ordering a whole new panel from like FCP because it's like $260. I found a company called
Was it like rendition or something and they make 3d printed?
pieces that just replace those clips and
They're they're well-designed they fit right around the old ones like it's so much easier to install those than I expected
And then you get the the $10 clips that fad brought to your house that the cats promptly ate
And I went oh, this is a great solution
It's like $60 for these clips, and I'll just save some money and put those things in
And I ordered them from this company's website
And I selected the shipping that was slow because that's all I needed and then today I get in the office
And there's a bill from the Department of Homeland Security for a tariffs owed on
Those three tiny clips that are about the size of a bottle cap in the amount of how much
$37 how much were the clips?
$48 or $62
Yeah, my tariff was like 50% but like I wonder if oh boys 52 53
So the cost of those is now almost a hundred percent up
But I'm also but like wasn't there just a lawsuit and so many of the terrorists were like reversed
Yes, true. Do you think you have to pay this? Well, this was in voice March 4th. Oh, let's find out when the Supreme Court
Yeah
We had this happened while we were while we were gone
Well, let's see two days two days ago
There's a lot of articles about the tariff in Supreme Court. Oh, no, so the tariff this the Supreme Court ruling was February 23
So this was a voice after that. So they're trying to get that money before yeah, the laws get put back in place
Are you gonna pay them? I'm gonna email the company. I bought it from ago. How come like I don't I don't I don't remember being notified by
The country is this company company in I guess
Manufacture ID oh country of origin
TW I think that's Taiwan sure
Hmm
Didn't know that either. I thought they were based somewhere else. Yeah
Yeah, weird. Yeah, who get yeah Wow, but
You know when you try to save yourself I know
I'm gonna go
Fucking house apart now find
I'm writing it down
So Fatty has brought these things to my house, it's a little plastic little plastic clips
Everyone's got in their car
They hold hands to doors at some point he like threw them on my kitchen counter when he came over for dinner
I'm like these are for Zach. I'm like, okay, and I just they got put somewhere
And it's a little bag of clips and who the fuck knows yeah, I need to find them. So I couldn't find them
I did a cursory
Look before before we went out to the BVI, but like I was only here for two days
Yeah, I I have been in Los Angeles for two days since
February
23rd
Which is like the Supreme Court ruling crazy
Like that's that's so silly. I don't know what's wrong with me
Valhalla awesome
It's great. I almost like don't even remember going yeah, like
It's a good thing that we have like notes and video because boy would that be a struggle
While we were gone
Petrolicious launched a newspaper
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Monthly newspaper, which actually I find interesting and when we were at
ice race
We met
Paolo who is their creed they're one of their new creative directors pet petrolicious was big ten years ago
and then fell off for
Sad and sort of hilarious reasons, but it was a good brand and still remembered fondly
And so I like this idea of a newspaper
599 a month and it's I don't know 20 pages 20. How many pages is it 25 pages 20 pages 22 pages
And it looks nice the front story is about ice race for this month
But they sent it to me and I would I would totally subscribe to this
There's some I haven't gotten through it because it literally I came in this morning and saw it
But I'm happy to see that it exists. That's a cool thing to be doing. Let me look at this thing. What an interesting
Like it's well, it's like an example of you know cyclical fashion cyclical fashion
This is like cyclical media. There's a classic classifies which I like classifies old and new and current
So like here's some cars that are for sale. Yeah, and then throwback March 89. You missed out
Oh, this is called the anger section. This is called one. I'm sad and the rage section
Don't really feel sad. Well, it's a 959 is expensive back then still expensive today. Yeah
72 for our 308. Oh call for price. I'm pretty sure this is a story about Matt crook collecting his his
Porsche here from Germany a DB six for 40 grand though
That's yeah, pretty sick and some classic here at the ice race
Piece about a night the only portion nine six four in Armenia. Yeah, cool
artists feature
I'm into it a story about
the
How emissions technology also help cars go faster
I like this up because it helps you focus because like these days, you know the internet
There's too many things to see so they go if you just want it
It's like the newsletters you subscribe to you just want to read a certain number of things about cars and move on with your day
So you just you read only the Petrolicious or only the Road and Track magazine. Yeah, and then you just kind of go about your life
Yeah, this is a good one though. I like I I'm into the idea of a car newspaper
It's like
It's like sort of I mean, it's you know 599 a month for a newspaper is still a lot I suppose
but
High-end magazines are a lot now
I mean literally like road and tracks a lot like Road rat like good good
Journalism is expensive road is I think 15 an issue in their quarterly. Yeah. Oh, that's not bad
I thought it's more expensive than that. No, I think I think I pace. Well. Oh shit. It might be pounds
I think I pay 60 British pounds a year for my subscription. Maybe. Oh, that's still pretty good
Yeah, right 15 pounds per 15 pounds an issue. Yeah, how much is this five bucks and how often this is $6 once a month, okay?
This is their third issue. Hmm. Yeah, I
Mean I
Personally would would subscribe to that for six bucks a month. I spend that much on
You know other people doing creative writing that I that I like
Read a book I didn't like yeah, I'd excited I wouldn't say I didn't like it
I this I thought I would learn something and almost everything in it. I already knew
Not I'm not trying to say I'm that smart
I just like the title was targeted toward my thought process
But I had already reached the same conclusion that the book we had the same experience
I started reading that Michael Paul and food book you got 10 pages, you know
Like eat real ingredients and not too much of this that like okay, and I literally just said the book down
I think it's a very I finished want mine because I was on a fucking shitty ass American Airlines flight with no
Entertainment so I was like well, I'm here. I might as well
So I didn't put it down Hannah kept being like put it down pick up this other book
And I was like, yeah, and I finished it and I kind of like
But it happened
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Trump finding a loophole in order to kill the EV charging program. That's fine. We have a speaking of things being killed
We have a Volvo ex-30 press car coming tomorrow and like two days ago Volvo announced they're killing that model
I've never I don't know if I've reviewed a dead car. Well, I have we've done like
When I when you know when a car is going away. Yeah, we did it. We did that
But like I don't know if I've ever reviewed a new car that became dead before we got it
Like it's cars been out for like a year
So well, I went to create a drive the Ioniq 5n and they're keeping the Ioniq Ioniq 5n in the United States
But they're canceling the regular Ioniq 5 which seriously. Yeah
When do they announce that they're canceling the regular Ioniq 5 don't they sell like a bunch of them?
Now maybe they're you know gonna remake it and bring it back in two years. Maybe they're sunsetting the model for now
But um that would be crazy. I see a lot of them in LA, but
I really feel like the oh the six. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sick the six that this will be my bad
Well, the ugly one they're keeping the five which looks good. They're yeah, but then I see a lot of sixes around here
Well, because they're cheap they in LA they are they are incredibly efficient and they are cheap
But like I thought she meant the yeah, I was like distraught. That's crazy that they're super popular all over
Like any anywhere EVs are popular the Ioniq 5s. Oh, the 2024 sales total 12,000. That's not great
That's not great. Yeah, that's bad. All right, so I see all 12,000 in the city
But they would do it and they just killed the fucking they just found a way to kill so the the federally mandated
$5 billion EV charger program they did they weren't able to like kill it because it's fucking mandated was voted on all this shit, right?
But they found a loophole and they said oh
The chargers that we are installing they must be 100% made in America
And it is like literally not possible to build any high voltage EV charger
Using a hundred percent American parts like right they didn't doesn't exist like this goes back to like well
There's probably a lot of like critical minerals stuff we get from other countries
How many fucking parts electronic parts are in this thing? Yeah, and where they come from they come from all over the fucking place
I mean dude back in the day
Well, my dad was running Ralph Lauren. There was like a big
Fucking hullabaloo about
And one of their sweaters that they were wearing not being made in America. Okay, was it like
Do you want to make the clothes in America like ideally sure for the Olympians, right?
but this was like a zip up not a hoodie, but like a zip up fucking sweater and
They made a huge deal about this fucking thing not being made in America and
My my dad my dad explained to somebody from the news and then to me over dinner
What it would take to actually make this very basic nice, but basic thing in America
It would be like
There isn't a factory that can make it or then at the time there there wasn't maybe there is now, but like
It's it's like the ship fucking sailed on making this type of garment
in America like if you like the code thing during you know the
PPE stuff, right or the personal protection things like we don't have the factories anymore
Yeah, so like shout out like Jocko willing, you know, he has this origin company and they make
Boots shoes jeans like they make clothes in in the USA with USA products
But it's taken a long time. Yeah to build the facility to make it which can be done
The stuff is expensive, but you know to to your point like to have Ralph Lauren just pivot
Immediately to make the thing like we they don't have the looms. They don't have it
Yeah, or to do it proactively out of you know, he's making they're making 40 or 50 garments for the for the Olympic collection
The high-end ones because the real some of the really expensive stuff was made in America
The purple label the handmade shit like that stuff they can't sometimes it was Italy sometimes it was the UK
Sometimes it was man. Sometimes it was Asia, but like
But like it's only the very because you had you wouldn't you know, it's the way clothes work like you know, you have to
You would have had to
You know pay Americans was unionized whatever
But you'd have to build a factory with those type of looms it didn't exist. So
Anyway, that was whatever 25 years ago, and we're talking about a fucking sweater. This is like
Evie chargers with crucial minerals and computing stuff and like who knows where the circuit boards come from who knows where like right you
You have to you'd have to design an all-new Evie charger and you'd have to design
All many many many new components and then you'd have to manufacture from the bottom up this whole thing like so
They've essentially killed this because there it is not possible to meet the requirements. Well, and some of this stuff
With the Evie things like it's where they source the minerals from so do we do we have on us soil?
These specific metals that we need to go into the circuits or into the wiring or into the other things for that
Which is almost different than like
You know a clothing factory like you could set it up here things be expensive
But do you bring in the plastic to make the poly you know, whatever?
Yeah, but if we don't have if we don't have a cache of like
Lithium's a bad example. I don't cobalt
Yeah, if it literally doesn't you know come from our ground then we we it's impossible to make it here
Yeah, I'm not saying that it would never be possible to make an entirely made in USA Evie charger
Like if you start now like eventually
You probably could but given the entire state of the industry the technology
The available componentry like it's effectively impossible. Yeah, that's what I'm so yeah
Cool, that's great. So we get so we vote on stuff. We do it and then they're just like, you know what?
Let's find a fucking loophole so that it actually doesn't get done. Yeah, and like
for for fucking what you know like to just
To make everybody that this whole image to make everyone's life harder who's invested in the it's like a it's like as a punishment
like
No, or Zach's googling ExxonMobil stock price
Mmm. Oh, so you're are you saying that it's good?
Willikers. Oh, well look at what you look at how well ExxonMobil has done
It looks like it's gone from about a buck. Oh eight a buck. Oh a buck 14
At the end of last year to once 58 today. Wow up about 50 percent
It seems if you own a lot of ExxonMobil stock boy, are you fucking stoned?
Whoo, oh boy. Wow. It looks like it looks like this. Where does where does that big jump happen?
Right, is that oh, that's December 2225. Yeah. Yeah, so Christmas time. Yeah
Nice. God. I just love I love oil and gas stocks are my favorite things to invest in
They're really that's how we went we went sailing we did a zero a very low emissions vacation
Powered by the my dividends. No
No, absolutely not
I do I do love some to me some zero emissions
Sailing it's awesome. I'm big fan. I wish I appreciated it when I was a younger person, but it's it is nice
Yeah, it's funny. It like it gets quiet
But then when something starts to happen with the sale it gets real fucking loud
It feels like the boat is gonna shake apart. Yeah
So you want to talk about this? Yeah, let's talk about this red list thing. Okay. Um, a few people sent me this. Yes
Set this up. This is a pretty wild story. So it's a thread on red list
in which
Someone describes
an almost
a
Price-fixing
adjacent scheme. Yeah
in which franchise dealers
independent dealers and
Consignment stores that sell on bat
sort of have a circle a
Swirly hot tub of of hot potato with
new
GT3 and GT3 touring units in order to
Serve a couple of needs basically what happens is
There this person has done a lot of research
following like a hundred plus
GT3 sales, right? How many it's like over a hundred. Maybe it's a hundred and thirty maybe
Okay, a hundred and thirty sales. So right there where the so basically has analyzed is a hundred and thirty sales from back
and alleges that in many of those sales only
27% of those hundred and thirty sales are actually
One person selling a car to another person other individual. Yeah, and there's nothing wrong with the dealer selling cars on bat
There's nothing wrong with the dealer buying cars on bat
But what what this person is talking about is basically
The franchise dealer will get an allocation on a really hot car specifically a GT3 touring
That franchise dealer will sell that car
To a friendly
Independent dealer, but not dealer to dealer
They'll sell it to the owner of the dealer as a as an individual customer
Zach Klapman owns
Culver City motor cars and you Zach Klapman are also a good friend of
Porsche dealer X right Porsche dealer X allocates Zach Klapman the car
Which I buy at MSRP. That's what is required by Porsche AG, right? You buy it at MSRP
you then immediately
under a pseudonym user name on bat
Can either list it on your lot or more likely
Consign it back consign it on bat through a another
Consignoring dealer right so you would have consign it back through another dealer
So it's gonna be appeared as listing listed by someone almost like Westside, but I'm not a I'm not a dealer
But like a quote name, you know
Kind of a popular bat dealer one of five six or ten out there, right? And so now a
franchise dealer
Will pay a bunch of money under another pseudonymus
username buy that car back
List it as CPO on their lot and at each step in the process
Ten to twenty thousand dollars is added
So this car goes from being sold as a new unit
allocated
Sold to an individual who owns a car dealer
Consigns through E through another car dealer
bought on bat by another franchise dealer and now becomes listed and by the way bought on bat at a high price
Right, which establishes a public market. Yeah
They then put it on their lot as a CPO as even above that market
Now and now one thing that this person pointed out and this is a great thread to read we'll put it in
By the way, I'm summarizing like an eight thousand word thing full of data
Yeah, give me if my words aren't exactly accurate, but would you say I described that system pretty accurate?
Yeah, definitely and so some of these large dealerships when I'm sorry and there's two terms
There's franchise dealerships like Porsche dealership of X. Yes city
Yeah, and then there are the independent dealerships. Yeah, and so Porsche X of one city would
You know basically move cars through these
Intermediary companies and then end up selling the car at a different Porsche of X of Y city
Yeah
That they have a partnership with or possibly owned because some of these dealership groups will own 20. Yeah
25 dealerships around the country they list Hendrick one of the largest dealership networks in the country
so, you know
Porsche Porsche of city X will sell it for MSRP
But eventually they're dear friends at Porsche of city Y right can sell the car for a hundred or 200 over by
Kind of building these steps these price steps through each transaction
It goes up 10 to 15 grand and ends up as a CPO car
in some cases that has zero miles added in all of these transactions, you know, I mean there's a lot of
Interesting intermediary stuff happening here. This this guy found one VIN number that has like it's like a year old
It's got five owners, and it's got a hundred miles on it like one of that 14. Yeah, 14 miles. Yeah, so like it's it's and
and and
the independent dealer dealer guys are
Getting multiple allocations and then and then it's all it's it's like
It's a few people
That are just sort of swirling these cars around
But they're creating the perception of a big public market
Yes, which then is used to justify
High prices of these cars all across dealer lots and across the entire industry
Yeah, so it's a way it seems like it's a way for franchise dealers to get around the no markup rule
Yeah, and eventually sell a car for with a huge markup that they had to sell at MSRP originally
But it also works to pump the whole market. So even so all the comps go up
So they get to pump the inventory they have the secondary inventory that they're kind of involved in and they just all make way
More money and the problem is there is there isn't an actual real
Non-business customer in most of these transactions. So these are you know the publicly all the public the public stuff
That's referenced on bat that becomes a point of data for the industry
That's that's then it's then written up in the car, you know, maybe something like this or or a haggard ease
Roundup or whatever that becomes an authoritative point of data
But the problem is that's not that's not a real customer buying a car from an individual or from a dealer or from an auction
That's one person selling to his buddy who's listing it through his buddy who's selling it back to his buddy in
order to
You know just fleece the last guy at the end right who shows up and and buys it at this inflated markup CPO
It's something that people thought was happening and they never proved it
But with like the NFT stuff. Yeah, like the pet rock whatever they're called
But it's just people that are involved in that system trading them back and forth raising the price and then eventually retail shows
I guess this picture of a rock is worth a hundred fifty thousand dollars. Yeah, yeah
And so it's tough because like everyone everyone wants GT threes and like
You know, I guess it's not like illegal to do this. I just think it's I don't I don't think it is I just think it's
it creates a
Fraudulent
It's like price-fixing. Yeah, it seems like price-fixing to me
That's I there's probably an actual term for it that isn't that but like that's kind of what it feels like like
Remember in like, I don't know 10 years ago 12 years ago. I wanted to bid on that
Or I did bid on that Hakoska skyline at pebble and the guy who won
Ultimately had spent more he's he paid more for it than anyone had ever paid for one of those and it was
It was way more than he had to and way more the estimate and I saw the person later and he was like, yeah
I have six of them. I wanted to pay more for this because it pumps the value of the other ones
I was like, oh well a that makes sense and B
It sucks ass that someone like me is bidding against that person, right?
I was sort of like, you know, that's life and it is life
That's you know, if that guy wants to invest enough money in a car
That's never in a bunch of cars that have never sold publicly at auction because he thinks that's a good thing and
He can buy one at publicly at auction and doesn't mind paying too much for it
I was sort of like well, okay, that's that's a move, but this seems more
Systematic. Yeah, it definitely does
I don't know what I was gonna say. I looked at price-fixing, but
It's an agreement written verbal or inferred from conduct among competitors to raise lower maintain or stabilize prices at price levels
Now so if these dealerships are like talking to each other and agreeing to do this, you know, like and I'm only mentioning
Wobb, I know he was a guest, but he's mentioned in this rend list right up a lot
if
If Wobb and the dealership down the street that's listed in this write-up ever had a meeting
Yeah, or they said hey we can we Wobb can provide this service to you guys and here's how this circle could work
Like that would be seems like it'd be price-fixing, but I don't know. Yeah, I approve those
I mean, I like Rob. I you know, I I don't think I mean, he's he's you know
He is taking a committee like he works on commission like we don't you know
So so if he takes a car on consignment, he's gonna do his thing and you know sell it
I'm not sure if he has a
Real responsibility beyond that. I'm sure he flips a lot of GT3s for people. Well. Yeah, I mean on here
They said he was a console for a huge percentage of them. Yeah
There's also someone listed like one of the usernames from bat was a bitter on your NSX. Oh, really? Yeah
Oh, that's an M. Oh, that's funny like meatballs or something
Oh, that was the artist, but it was one of those I reckon that's funny
So, I mean, yeah, I mean it's this list. It's I'm sure it's up
Where do you find on rent bat and GT3 prices a study in manipulation by Chicago marketing? Yeah, and that's up on rent
It's very I hope I did a good job summarizing it because it's there's a lot is really interesting and Chicago marketing
It should be said is the user name. It's not like a company called Chicago marketing, right? Yeah, the
TLDR is it seems like it seems like these
Seemingly independent dealerships are not working independently of some of the franchises and the result is that anyone like us
Out there who wants to just buy a GT3 goes well, I guess the price is 400 grand because that's what they're going for right
The reason they're going for that is because of is because they take a lap around the track before coming back to the lot
Where you're expected to pay that right and they keep getting listed for more and more money until they end up as CPO
Where they get listed for even more? Mm-hmm
Yeah, yeah wild wild really interesting
And I mean, it's you know, it's the kind of stuff you sort of
Expect to hear is happening, you know, and then you go well, but it really market. Yeah, of course you'd expect it
It's a free fair market
Yeah, I mean not not like, you know, it's it's tough
It's not like anyone has a right to a GT3, you know, but it's
It also is an it for a for for a while
We've been like well, you know Porsche sales are not so great
Oh except except the 9-elevens and the GT3's and all that you know
They're unobtainium in this and that but actually if this is this is the case then maybe not
Well, I think they're still doing it you still this is still like it's happening. So it's not like I think it adds an asterisk of
You know, here's what cars are going for, you know
So and this person concluded the same thing like like you said using bat as the sort of as the indicator of what things are
Selling for and that gets
proliferated around different blogs and other things like should it be
Used as a tool of information or should it not be trusted as much or maybe just looked at with a different
Different eye because of this. Yeah, I mean if it basically the lesson is I think bat comps for Porsche GT cars are probably not
Good comps. Yeah, unfortunately. I don't know. I mean, I don't know I haven't done bat versus cars and bids on this one yet
But like it's an it's it's it seems the system may have been abused here
And so it's not that there's like it's not that we're like making accusations of like criminal activity
They're not like the crop the comps
Seem not what they should be because of this and people should read this. It's it's pretty like
It's pretty pretty thorough
So yeah
That's an interesting thing
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And so I chugged like a liter of water and now that water needs to come out
That's a good segue for the TST catheter
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So we'll go to these folks and see what these motherfuckers have to say
Wheat City Night Court says as our young as younger gen Xers reach 50
Will 80s and early 90s cars plateau because we've already bought our dream cars
I
Think there's probably some precedent
To you can look at cars from the 60s and and I would say that
In some cases they plateau like and then in the really special ones continue to continue to rise
I think that's
Yeah, I would look at where the 60 cars started around with the boomers where the boomers 50 or 60 years old roughly
1946 40 right, you know 46 47 then they would be they would have been in their 40s in the 80s
50s in the 90s and like
60s in 2005 that's one muscle muscle cars really peaked
Yeah, I think 60s people have max spending power and they retire usually
Retiring and they want to recapture their youth. Yeah
Yeah, so I I do not think these cars have plateaued yet particularly if they're the special ones
I mean if you look at muscle cars today, then
you know car a
Fairly crappy muscle car
That that went up in in 2007 to like 30 grand kind of stayed there
Like they didn't go back down to five, you know, they they went up and then they did plateau
But then the really collectible stuff did kept going like it went up
It came down and now it's like back up again and past, you know, if you're looking at a hemicuda like or one of those rare
Whatever Chevelle's with the crazy racing engines and shit in them like those are past where they were yeah seven now
But the other stuff just sort of stayed where it was at same thing. I think will happen with the 80s and 90s
Hold me closer Bertone Danza Bertone Danza Bertone Danza
closer Bertone Danza, that's pretty great
Fuck Mary kill current M AMG and RS line-ups. I'd marry the M. I would fuck the RS and I would kill the AMG
Yeah, because they're I mean they're the four-cylinder hybrid thing like my meat and potatoes of AMG is always the C 63
Yeah, I do not like it right now. Sure GT 63 still has the V8. That's true, but it's big. Yeah, I know
Hmm and the new the new GT is of good car, but it grew a lot to more like the SL
Which I don't like that much fuck the M marry the RS
RS 3 is delightful. Wow and RS 6
Isn't isn't exciting, but I could live I could live with it
And then there's also RS Q8 and all those are very yeah, yeah, those are good
crater says oh wait, okay wait I
I
Re I bought myself a
Bulova Makina a watch in black and I love the color of the black case
But a friend of mine says avoid black watches because of how the black wears over time
I haven't much had much issue with this and my nuts. What are your thoughts? What are your thoughts on black watches cases?
so I
Don't I don't personally love black watches, but just the the aesthetic just for me
I have no problem with them on other people. It's not my vibe. I like a little brighter, right?
But this is a cool watch actually kind of interesting looking
It depends there's there's really two kinds of
Ways to make black
There's like DLC and PVD right and so the
PVD is what they did like sort of back in the day and DLC is more of what they do now
Except on like really cheap watches. So if if it says I mean, this isn't a really cheap watch
It's seven hundred and forty dollars. Let's see if it's to say what the case it does. It just says black stainless steel
It doesn't say
What type of coating it has so maybe you could send a inquiry to
Bulova and see what type of coating it has if you care
I mean the worst thing that happens like is like over, you know
20 years the edges like the corners of the watch that get like knocked into stuff might the black might come off
DLC that's much less likely than PVD though. Yeah, deal. They use DLC on guns. Yeah, and it's pretty damn sturdy stuff
I couldn't find I could with a quick search. I could not find if it's DLC or something else
Well, maybe maybe there's a way to I also say like the
This quote this watch is very colorful like well the case is black
But then you know the inside was it's called the dial dials like
Color so it's not like a black on black watch. No, no, it's cool. I get it. Yeah, no aesthetically if you're into it like I'm down
I don't it does I wish it said but yeah, it'll probably be fine
I'm not I wouldn't worry about it wearing unless you're really gonna be that doesn't look like the kind of watch
That you would wear to like smash into stuff. Yeah, you know a
Dog named frog in a Unimog. Oh
Purchase a studio underdog salmon and love it. Oh, yeah a studio underdogs fun. Yeah
AM 87 says if the Amira is based on the Evora, where did the rear seat space go? I
Don't that's I don't think that's accurate the Amira is based on the Evora. I don't really think that's entirely accurate
I think the Amira is a
The they share a power share a construction
They share a power train and they're made in the same way, but I don't think they're like the same the same
They don't drive like they're the same. They also they had to make some room in the engine bay for turbo
EMG engine, so I think they move that firewall forward a little bit
And that just there wasn't a lot of space in the backseat and maybe they looked up how often people put people back there
Yeah, the rear seat stupid. Yeah, it was a partial partial shelf for most people anyway
But I think they had to make room in the engine bay for different engines. Yeah
Tim I says
I'm looking at a higher power wait moped or scooter for a five mile commute into downtown Denver on surface streets
What should I look for in a commuter and what makes a Vespa preferable to commuting with a motorcycle? Okay?
So Vespa is like that's that's the primo shit, right?
Like that's the there you're you are paying for the brand, but also in my opinion. They're extremely well-made
Having said that for many years
I had a Yamaha zoom-o 125 that I thought was kick-ass and I thought that was the shit when I had it and it was it was
Actually quite fabulous
So like what should you look for in a commuter like Denver is like at altitude
So you're going to have less power than you would have here
So like do you need to go over hills like any kind of hills?
if so
You probably want a
300 and not a 150 like just like if you can afford it like more power is better
Like five miles is both like not a lot and a lot. You know what I mean?
And just because you're commute is only five miles like you may love this thing and ride it more very true
But if you if it's only surface streets a one a 150 is probably fine if the hills aren't too big
Super important like is is is going to be your wheel and tire size
You're what kind of brakes you have and the the robustness of your suspension like cheap shitty Chinese scooters
Like that will like look like Vespa knockoffs kind of like they're not robust
And so like the bigger your wheels like sometimes scooters have like almost
Motorcycle e-wheels. There's like some Piagio
And like those take potholes really well, right?
And those are really stable like the bigger your wheels are the more stable you are
But like
What is important to me more than anything else
Is
Actually the fucking cargo box having the cargo box means you can if you're commuting with a backpack
The backpack goes in the cargo box you can put grocery
You can stop and pick something up like the difference between a either a motorcycle or a Vespa with a cargo box and one without them is like
100% utility or like 95% utility and fucking zero utility
So that's really important. Why do I like a Vespa?
In the city just light to light stops and a stop sign like having a manual transmission doesn't make my life better
It actually makes my life a little more annoying like sport motorcycle
Yes, of course manual transmission commuter motorcycle. I don't give a fuck
I have nobody to impress yeah, and I just fucking zing the throttle off the light. I could beat anybody in a drag race
I don't need to like ride a clutch. It's just a centrifugal thing. It just goes. Yeah
And and I also think seating position
Way more comfortable like yeah swinging your leg over a motorcycle
It just it's a little bit more effort depends on the pants you're wearing blah blah blah, you know scooter
You just like it's like a barstle you sit on it. Yeah, and like although a scooter is effectively as dangerous as a motorcycle
I don't personally wear like motorcycle boots when I ride my scooter
Whereas I always wear them if I ride a motorcycle so like I wear a jacket gloves helmet
I don't wear motorcycle pants or shoes on the Vespa whereas I would if I was on a motorcycle so like
Vespas are just a little simpler. They're a little less assuming nobody thinks you're an asshole
Everybody lets you in everybody loves you
You know you get them in a fun color like girls like if you have a brand name Vespa girls like that shit like
So like I I mean I I love my Vespa, and I'm getting the new one
So I'm pro Vespa, but you don't have to go Vespa brand, but I would get I would get one
Even if it's used certainly I would start with a used one. I would get one from a a brand that's known for
Reliability and stuff like that like I loved my Yama. Can you see can you look at this? I'll make a Zuma
If they still if Yama still has a Zuma, I haven't seen a new one in a while
They might just call it something else now. They do they still make it. Yeah, I'm a 125
Yeah, how much is that new for for a brand? Yep. Yeah, so I used one is three grand
like I
Really liked my Zuma with oh wow. It looks weird as fuck now. What have they done? Oh God
Why does it look like that?
That's not great
Mine looked way better than that. Yeah, it's gotten very chunky and sort of trail rated. Yeah
That looks it looks like they they borrowed a designer from for owner wait
Can you there's a little tab? Can you click to 2025 and see if this is new for this year if that's
Nope. No, no, man. You're because yours was what year 20. Oh, God, maybe 12 might have been a yeah, 12 15
Something like that. It was old, but but I
That looks weird
Get a used one. Yeah
Okay, I miss when AI meant a shop in Westchester says
That when I explained
Diplomatically that your tires should be okay to run in a previous show
I was being a cheap fuck and shouldn't risk a car that means so much to me over that many that over tires
Okay, there you go. Okay, good
What was each of your high school dream builds and and what do you think modern wait and what do you think?
You would think of your mod choices in high school. I've
Revisited this a few times. I I mean I I I
Almost had my dream. I mean my my dream build in high school is effectively the thing I built in
Yeah, yeah
My dream build in high school would have been like a 41 willies with a blower
I was I was that into hot rod culture
and
Modern Zach looks back at high schools my Zach's high school car and wonders
Why I had like blown shocks in the front, which is why my car had so much rake
Probably should have addressed that yeah, and maybe looked at the brakes ever because I never because they were behind
I had the solid like moon eyes wheels. Yeah, so I never saw the brakes. They worked. So literally never looked at them
That's hilarious. Yeah modern Zach would be like, what's wrong with you?
I we've talked my Subaru that I had before the Mustang was like I did some pretty embarrassing like 16 year old mods to that
You know, this was before the Fast and Furious, but I put street glow. I put like Shelby stripes. This was a Subaru
I put the fucking tuli rack on that thing
I had a literal like auto zone muffler that actually didn't sound terrible believe it or not
It was it was I mean maybe it was a magna flow or something, but I got it at auto zone
It was alright like it wasn't it wasn't it was embarrassing in hindsight, but it wasn't at the time
It was okay at the time sure and I think there were I think stripes were more prevalent back then like there were a lot of cars
New and you know new cars on lots that had racing stripes of some kind. Yeah, yeah, yeah
But you know a lot of the stuff that that that we did to our engines in our high school
Mustangs were the same shit that was done to my Mustang's engine did later. Yeah make it breathe better. That's what I did
Yeah, that again
Duffel shuffle retirement club says is there anything that disqualifies a car from storage at WCCS?
Not paying
No, the cars have to be insured
So if people don't want to carry insurance on the car, that's that's one and then like being too big
We do we do actually have size limits. We can't do like big big trucks and stuff
Big trucks meaning like a
3500 long like a long truck or lifted like the biggest thing that we can store at Playa is like the size of a Tahoe
And the biggest thing we could store at South Bay is like the size of a Raptor, but I could only do maybe
Two Raptors, and I think we actually have we have one Raptor and we have one and we have a
We've a Bronco Raptor here. That's fine. That's shorter
But we have a Raptor and then we have that a Hummer H2 which is that that a Hummer H2 is
Absolutely the biggest thing I could I could store. They're fucking so wide
They're not that long. Yeah, so what?
Hood left the hood left unlatched. That's pretty good. What is the rumor?
What do you think of the rumors of Porsche merging the Taycan and Panamera onto the same platform for the next gen of cars?
That makes sense. I don't I don't
I don't really see a downside to that. It's coming out. He does right. Yeah, they just have so many things in Mercedes too. Yeah
I I
Mean they're they're not gonna make all of it EVs obviously they have to have
Some kind of modular construction so that you could do a gas version as well
I mean even if it's a hybrid version, there's no way that Porsche would sell two pure EV sedans
Not in today's market. Anyway, how old was that story that you found was it? What was the date?
Is that reason March 12th? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, okay. I mean I I don't I don't personally have a problem with it
I think I think it could make financial sense and that's why I mean that's surely why they're doing it
Like they need to cut costs aggressively. Yeah, I wouldn't like it if a Taycan had for instance a Panamera's hood line
You know, I wouldn't like it if they were like if I had to I
Love the Panamera for what it is, but I don't wish my Taycan
Looked like a Panamera, right?
If you know, you know, like the hood's different because you know engine
Yeah, the low cowl if to me is incredibly desirable in this particular EV
So I wouldn't like it if I had to drive a Panamera in order to drive a Taycan, but the the I'm
I'm pretty sure that I
I
Went to light I don't want to I don't want to speak wrong about this, but I went to Leipzig and
Where they build the McCann the Panamera and the Cayenne and all three of those cars are built on the same
assembly line
Now I don't know if that means that they share
architectures in any way or if they just happen to have a factory that can build three separate cars at the same time
But like if that
Was turned into four or something, you know what I mean that same factory now builds Taycans like also because they can
But yeah, like the way Audi does it doesn't seem to buy like the a6 and the a8 being like platform
Shared don't necessarily make them worse, right? Well, yeah, I think with Porsche
They have to just maintain the performance
Yeah, levels that we've come to expect the handling all that stuff
But both of sure the tie-down on the port in the Panamera handled really well and they kick
Yeah, they both handle best right so
Wouldn't be super concerned about it, especially now that active ride is coming into play
Run GMC
Has been looking at reviews on the Audi B7 RS4 and found an old TST video and wanted to ask me
What's up with the fucking sideburns and would I go back to them with today's in the 90s nostalgia challenge? I
I don't I don't really know why why the sideburns ended up
I always had the sideburns by the way you go back to
pictures of me when I'm 14 15 and there was there were sideburns and then
in in parts of and then I had I always had the goatee and
The the sideburns at one point became a beard connector like they're on in your photo with
17 yeah, and I did that was like the smash mouth guy
Yeah, and then I separated the beard from the goat the sideburns by sort of doing that sharp the pointy thing sure
It dude it was a fashion trend if you could grow facial hair
Yeah back then especially if pointy facial hair pointy facial hair was a thing
It was the same like when I look at photos of college at faux-hawk aggressive right so much Joe and now I go
Wow, you know just to tell us I had an actual mohawk for a while, too
There's not a lot of photos of that
I have to go to my parents house and dig one up because there are a few but they're like I don't they're not like digital
They're like in my mom's like album. Yeah locked up somewhere. Yeah, I don't look at them
My mom's my mom's photo albums are crazy. My mom has a
Physical album for every year. I've been alive
No, no family sure but like it started I'm the oldest child so it started the year I was born and so it's every year
She has it's just 44 blue binders. Yeah, it's crazy. It's like a Britannica next time you come to granite
You have to see it's fucking nuts
But I couldn't you couldn't do it today now. I imagine I had
Sight and no hair. No, it's just not the trend right now
Ten years ago. It was huge beards. Yes, you know, everyone's like going for long beard
And now everyone's kind of come back from that a little bit now a trim beard is okay. Okay. It's just fashion
I'm honoring Rob Reiner. I think in that in this way this works now. This is more of a today
Imagine you had signburns and no hair. I mean I had when I had signburns. I had hair
No, I know nine when I met you you had aggressive chops very angular saber tooth from Marvel, but you were shaved
Not fully shaved
I had it was short. It was short, but not fully shaved. I promise. Okay. I did not go. I did not go big until maybe
2015 or 2016 that's all right. That's true. Yeah, yeah
From Habibi unworthy
Have you run across?
Surprising every day cars that have had superchargers turbochargers or other
surprising performance oriented options I recently found out that the
Buick Regal GS from the 90s had a factory blower on the 3800 v6
Not just the GS Habibi the prom Pontiac Grand Prix
Tp. Yeah, that was the shit. Yeah, bro
That car kind of hauled aspect then in 96 you couldn't fuck with a Grand Prix GTP
That was the shit. How about the Bonneville sse I?
Pontiac Bonneville sse I dude, that's
That's where it fucking gets real hot
supercharged
Fucking Bonneville, baby. Oh
That's the 2000 I liked the 90s one a little better the 2000 one is the Chris multi-Santi
Bob Bonneville look at that fucking thing kind of hold that. Oh, yeah, this one Pontiac was doing these like yeah
Raised creases along lower lower valence everywhere. They learned how to mold plastic
Yeah, they did and they really went to town with it sse crawl these wheels. Yeah, baby. Oh bad
It's a six spoke, but it looks like a three and they're curved and chrome. Yeah, that's not good
That's tough. I think that you know forced induction was an experiment
That was a bit like more common than you think but not that common for like 70s 80s 90s
I mean you have Previa. There's a supercharger on the Previa that you could get
there were
Wasn't the um
What was the Shelby Omni had a turbo? Oh the GLHS. Yeah, I think was turbocharged. Yeah weird
I know it was a performance model, but back then you still expect that shit. Yeah
I
Don't know a front-wheel drive NSX wants to ask about a Porsche cars North America lawsuit
I I don't know anything about it
Allegedly a car had been used
at a Porsche experience center and sold that car to a customer and the car got lemonlawed
So of new GT3 allegedly used for mechanic. Oh mechanic training. Oh
So they allegedly Porsche used a car to train mechanics
They disassembled it and are alleged to have not put it back together, right? That's different than driver training
I'm not sure there is a law
against
Training Center, so you just we assumed it was driving and it's mechanic. Yeah, not great. It's not great
That's not great. I don't know about I don't know about the the lawsuit other than what we just said though
What is it?
Be BM trouble you says
I
Wants to ask me about a watch brand that I have never heard of sorry tortola beef curtains gross
Do you think it's better when selling a car at auction to have a reserve at your minimum?
You'd be willing to take the number you'd want ideally or do you send that shit? No reserve and trust the market
No, the reserve should not be the number you want
Absolutely, not that's not what a reserve is for a reserve should be the absolute lowest amount that you're willing to take
like and
Like you're putting a car up at auction like to do it properly is a real investment of time and energy and money, right?
So you have to ask yourself when this auction is over
If I don't if let's say I want $50,000 for a car. I don't know what the fuck it is make make up a car
If I don't get $50,000 the auction ends I've done all the work and I still have the car
Am I happy because I didn't take less for the car?
Or am I annoyed that I've put in all this work and now I still have the car and I have to do it again
So like part of that is
Your financial position
What if what what what what you're whether you're up down or sideways on the car?
How bad what it's costing you each month sure it and how much of a strain that is yeah, and and how important it is to
You know get a big number for it or a bigger number for it now versus keeping it versus
You know stopping the bleeding or get it, you know, whatever
Other reason you want to sell the car for it now if you are capable of
Putting in the work and getting eyeballs on the auction and doing great photos and and and and and doing all the things
You're supposed to do to really sell a car at auction properly. I
Go no reserve them if you do the things right there's enough eyeballs and and the market will provide
Having said I realized we're having this conversation right after talking about this GT3
possible
fixing situation but like
Outside of that one model of car. We have never done a car here at Westside no reserve that absolutely tanked
It's never happened. So
But your reserve should be low
I mean it it's you shouldn't be if the if the car sells for reserve like you shouldn't be happy
What I can't I mean you should maybe you're happy the car is gone
But like it shouldn't be a number that you're like whoo, you know
No, it's like selling a car in person you go. I'm gonna say I want 20
And you always with Facebook marketplace whatever back in the day Craigslist you'd set that but you know what you're willing to take
Yeah, so it should be that or lower. Yeah, if you're if you go look, I want 20, but I'll take 15
I want 50, but I'll take 40
You know set your reserve at 40 and at the very least the bidders will they'll they'll are you know, they'll
No one's gonna fucking beat you up to knock the price down
They'll beat each other up to knock the price up. So at least you have that going for you
No one's gonna fucking be all well your things of music shit except in the comments
but you have to do everything right and so I like a no reserve auction because I
Mean personally with my with my cars if I'm ready to sell that car mentally that car is gone anyway
That cars at once I decide I don't want a car anymore every day that car is still here as a burden
Want it gone I did put a reserve on the NSX because I sold it between Christmas and New Year's and I thought that there was a
Chance I could still do everything right and nobody would see it and it could tank
That was why but if I had done it at almost any other time, I probably would have gone no reserve
I
That's M984 a1 hemped tow rig, I don't even know what the fuck that is but okay
Is there something you think manufacturers need to do to increase hybrid and EV uptake by consumers like a manual hybrid?
Or some other missing feature the market needs no the market does not
Need a missing feature. I mean for EVs they need infrastructure and we just talked about that
They need infrastructure and they need to be able to afford them in the first place
Someone just asked me it sends an email about about slate what I think slate is gonna because it's they're gonna do this low cost EV
But this is fucking Bezos dude like if Bezos like
if Bezos if there was things to prevent
Bezos from keeping all that money and instead paying people what their proud labor is actually worth and they could afford
Regular EVs we wouldn't need the super low-cost ones. That's true like cars themselves only seem so expensive
Because the wages haven't kept up. It's not because you're getting less value for money with a current car
We've done this formula almost over and over and over and we find that universally the prices of the cars have really kind of kept up with
inflation versus what oh
BMW
M3 was $46,000 and now it's like yeah, but like your your wages for the most part haven't and that's why everything seems so expensive
and
So like I don't think we need a super low-cost EV
We need to find a way to get people to make more money so they can afford the fucking regular ones
You know like why do we why do we want a world where a fucking regular person can't afford a fucking Hyundai?
You know what I mean like that's crazy, right? Yeah, like we're a Hyundai and a Kia and
and
Are too expensive and a Nissan are too expensive for regular people to buy new like what kind of we don't need it like
Other than like on farms and stuff like for little utility commercial purposes and like urban commercial stuff like
The I don't I you know we could just not have the fucking that problem that
We could stop the problem that caused that need in the first place
Yeah, last time we talked about that someone was like, you know wages have gone up a lot since 2022
And I'm like you just look at the last couple decades. There's lots of charts about it
Mm-hmm cost of living things like housing health insurance education or health care and in education and how they've all outpaced actual wage growth
Yeah
Under the cuff says would Porsche ever rejoin F1 and if they did would IW switch IWC switch from their patronage from Mercedes to Porsche
I I don't think Porsche is that interested in F1. I don't think F1
Sells Porsche's to people. I think Porsche sells enough. Well
They they sell enough of their sporty cars. It seems like where they're lagging is all the other stuff
Yeah, I think I think Porsche is more interested in the endurance racing. They're in the endurance element of it
I think really does translate
To the to the road cars and how people perceive the road. Well also because those cars look like the road cars
Yeah, you know, if it looks like an F1 car, it doesn't help Porsche sell GG3, right, right?
I mean 919 Evo like all that stuff is very impressive. It does get them headlines
But their meat and potatoes is their IMSA racing is always really strong. Yeah
I think F1 actually works for Aston Martin because Aston Martin even at its base level is a very
ultra high-net worth lifestyle brand
The fact that they have
Done well in F1 and they're coming out with cars like the Valhalla and they did the Valkyrie
I mean, I think there
There is a you can draw a much closer connection to Aston Martin's F1 racing with the Valhalla and the Valkyrie then with the fucking
DB12 but as a as a luxury
Package like the whole thing works. Yes, I don't whereas I don't really see that with
Porsche compared to what they do with the endurance racing program. Also. This is the tow rig
Recommended to you. That's awesome. That's the HEM TT
That's equally as practical with some things that other people have suggested that I think
Mike Torna bene bought one of these
Roe science. I think he bought one and kept it for like three months. This picture looks like it was taken in Marina Del Rey
Maybe that was his it might be
Tooties last heater
How are we feeling about the reveal of the anoya class three series? Yeah, the new
Electric three series. I don't I don't hate it based on how it looks
I haven't seen one in person and that's really what matters, but and and I have never been
totally blown away with
BMWs EVs the the I4 and I5 I thought were
Competent and fine, but not exceptional in any way and certainly not exceptional in the performance really
But I do like how this looks generally. What do you think? I think the front gives me big
Lincoln Balin oh shit
Once you see the MKZ you can't unsee that I'm not really into the grill, but
This back quarter looks good. I want to see from the side. I like that this this whole front valence
Lights aside looks like a return to like the first gen M2 era, which I appreciate
Yeah, it's all it's all a bit smoother, which is nice. This is just not for me. Okay. Yeah
The I think the rear three-quarters is not bad. Not bad. I mean, this is kind of what we've seen around like your lights
This is not a too big a departure
Yeah, yeah, it's
It's you know
It's okay. It's fine
My carbon monocoque and ball torture I recently
Said to someone you either die a Jeremy Clarkson or live long enough to become James May
Meaning at some point the fervent obsession with performance dim slightly and you start looking fondly at quality and practicality
What was your James May moment or car?
That's funny
You could also say you either die a Jeremy Clarkson or live long enough to become Jeremy Clarkson
but the I
Really think it's just that with our jobs we get to drive these cars that are so fast
And the roads are the same size and so
But but if you're talking about the shift from
Performance and you start looking for quality and practicality. It was when I started driving Porsches
I mean straight up like I was the court when I had the Corvette and my mind when I am at one point for like a year
Maybe two years. I had the Mustang and the Corvette at the same time. So I was like horsepower
You know, it wasn't like American muscle. I wasn't like that
brand or non-nationalistic, but like
My my friend Alex his dad had a E 36 m3 brand new and I had the Corvette and
and he was like
This is the mvm 3 is the shit and I was like well
I have like a hundred and fifteen more horsepower here for like the same
It was like they were about the same price a hundred fifteen more horsepower, you know and that but
And so that really mattered for a while
But then when we came out here and started driving like Porsches and shit. I was like, oh
The plastic the plastic and the buttons and that's there's there once once you
If you can't use all the performance of a car all the time
Then the fit and finish and the materials and stuff start to matter in a in a in a Miata
Where you're like a zinging it out all the time. I
Care less about the materials then like if the car is too fast to use all the time, right?
Cuz then you start looking at the other pieces of it. I think I wonder if this James May thing is more is aimed at James's
Appreciation of like Dacia Sandero like his famous interest in
Boring for practical things. He's like like a like he would love an Aztec that kind of thing
How about this when I traded my Ford Raptor for a Chevy Volt and my life got instantly better perfect
Yeah, like literally my life got better. Yeah, like that was that was a crazy
Thing
Like I had the bro-iest bro truck ever and I thought that was what I wanted
And I don't remember what it was that made me get the Volt actually
Maybe it was just it was cheap or the Raptor wouldn't fit in the garage. I remember that part of it
I don't know the Raptor is getting 11 miles per gallon, which is annoying
Yeah, I think when I realized that it was like more like a Tesla than a Prius
And it was like made really well and GM was losing money on all of them and I was like, oh wait really and
Yeah
Going from a Raptor from an EV in my life getting instantly better was a was really a thing
Yeah, and I think some of it is maturing and and if you're if you're
Clarkson if you have enough money basically to get a practical car. That's also fast. You probably will you know
That's why you have M5s running around but I know James May is also a unique individual loves to take apart lawnmowers. Yeah, I mean yeah, he
He he's a very simple guy
I mean, he does have some nice cars, but he also he loves a
Practical tool in a way that I don't think some people really appreciate the cleverness of that kind of stuff
I mean Clarkson does too Clarkson you can see it on his farm show all the time
He uses a 2012 Range Rover as a farm truck like all the time like he really is does believe in
The utility of the Range Rover like he uses it for like farm shit all the time. He's towing trailers with it
And he's written for years about the practicality of them as camera cars too. So like he's like
Yes, a Range Rover is an expensive thing, but like I used the 12 year old Range Rover is not
So the diesel ones they have here we could get for 20 grand. Yeah, I did see that
It is possible to get a seven or eight-year-old diesel Range Rover for 20,000 bucks, but fuck me. Am I?
Wonder what diesel is now. It's gas around here six bucks a gallon. I want to diesel that thank you EVs
2008 Funkmaster flex expedition says Zach at what point at what price point does a Nissan Z?
Performance become an option for you as a daily eight dollars. I don't know. It has to sell like I'm not into him
I I don't I want I want a daily that's less practical than your current exactly
I like I don't want to go to two plus zero. I have a two plus two
Yeah, you'd be more likely to buy a fucking
2006 Z as a drift beater than you would to get a new one hundred percent. Yep, I
Get I get the question because like I think I don't know what are they
28,000 bucks or something
It's a lot of power and performance for that money, but I don't love the engine and the the the room
It does not provide
There's so and also like the Nismo is the good one, but the regular performance
Yeah, not got invited on the Nismo launch. It's in it's at Sonoma. Cool. When?
I want to say it's end of April. Oh
It's funny. Why? Well, it's Sonoma mid-April for the school. Yeah. Yeah, I forget exactly when but cool
Oops, I tapped the table the new RS5 Avant is a plug-in hybrid with 49 51 weight distribution
Is that enough to help save it from Audi's historical understeer? Good question? Possibly
It certainly worked for the Bentley GT didn't it mm-hmm to work for lots of things
Mm-hmm
Gigity airline says I know you always say don't buy a car from Florida, but does that apply to regular cars? Yes
all cars
You have to be so careful. Yeah, that's the real thing because if you live in Florida or a humid area
Then like buying a car from a humid area
You're just used to that you're used to it. There's just all the caveat to have to pay attention to mm-hmm
Uh
Christian says what bad modern car would you love to be in the boardroom for when they were planning to know what they were thinking?
so this is not a car that's
That is is just is a good idea executed poorly like I think like the Fisker ocean
You know what I mean? Yeah, the Fisker ocean as a as a concept wasn't a bad idea
Right. It was just like nothing worked. So that's a problem
But like what car is just a bad idea I
Would like to be in the room when they made the Range Rover evoke convertible mm-hmm just to see
I just want to hear the convo that led to that car and I know what that I think I know the target market
But I want to see if I have confirmation bias
That's the problem is that new cars are not really that bad like they all know you don't have to I mean bad
Modic modern could be I mean like
I would love to know
why
I'd love to be in the room when Ferrari decided that haptics was gonna be what people wanted out of Ferraris
Yeah, that's that would have been an interesting one. That's a good one. Yeah
Do we have more is that it? Oh, yes, I will happily do more but guess what?
Sorry, you're gonna have to do two cuts in the live streams
The catheter she only wanted me for my turn in says what is your opinion on hobie cats?
Uh, I
Sailed one. Did we talk about that? No, you guys rented it before it was before the last one
I so they are fun
um
In small bursts. I don't I don't like
I don't love how they sail compared to like a laser
But if you're gonna be at a resort and they're on a beach and you get one for a hundred bucks an hour
And you go out and it's it's windy and you have a good time
Like you can get going really fast in those but you really they're fucking hard to turn
If you're if you're too close to the wind and if you're not going fast enough they could be a little frustrating
But they are neat
jacking off the record says
I recently drove by a house with three catalac alantes parked outside
What is the strangest driveway lineup you've seen?
Well, my buddy hydrogen brian with the five mirage. What's he doing with those testing with them? His company is um
He basically runs like the hydrogen lobby for the state of california. And so he
Is not his job isn't necessarily to convince people to buy hydrogen cars. His job is to really convince
industry to adopt hydrogen
Uh stuff at like the ports and shit like that
But in order to demonstrate hydrogen he his company has five hydrogen cars
And they don't always live at his house actually they normally live in his office, but it just so happened that like
I don't know his office was being remodeled whatever whatever the fucking reason when I walked by his house for the very first time
All five of the cars were at his house and I was like that's weird and then we became friends
Actually, he's been bugging me for about a week because he's borrowed my fucking floor jack
And we've been gone. I've been gone for like a month. What the fuck do I care?
And he's like, I really want to return your floor jack really dude. I haven't had any flat tires. I'll call
I really appreciate he's so proactive about returning my floor jack
But like Russell here asked to borrow my my lower floor jack while we were gone. I was like you can but I'm gone. Yeah
Uh
Habibi's wheel
That was so good wheels. That's very good wheels
The uh outie rs3 and the Acura Integra type s seem like your favorite all-arounders is the rs3 worth
The 12 to 15 k premium over the Integra type s
It very very much depends on two things
One do you want to drive a dual clutch gearbox and two do you want us a all-wheel drive?
Well three, how much money do you have?
And also does like is 12 to 15 a big deal to you or not?
You know if it's not I would totally get it because all the drive I prefer it
And I like the dual clutch. Yeah, but
You know, I don't the type s is a great car. I mean phenomenal car
If I lived in a fair weather climate
And I didn't have to drive in traffic a lot
Money be damned. I'd rather have the Acura
actually I I
Get more enjoyment out of driving the Acura than I do out of the rs3 even though the rs3 is very good at what it does
Most people I know who buy rs3s and there's a small sample of five or six people
They can afford much more expensive cars
They could probably afford a car
30 or 40 thousand dollars more expensive than the rs3 easily, but they want that
and so
Yeah, I would say that
If you have to stretch for an rs3
It may not feel like 75 grand
But if you in a lot of ways it does feel like more expensive
It has the same seat like the good seats the good materials like it does feel very premium
They both punch above their weight class
But uh the Acura when you if you get in a civic
You'll see the same h vac controls like you'll see that kind of that stuff
Whereas the Audi is just a little feels a little more expensive. Yeah
Stan gable did nothing wrong
I hope i'm not saying that out loud and defending some like fucking values on the island
What is your dollar figure tipping point between full
ppf on the car or just the front clip?
Also known as impact zone ppf
I got a smoking deal on a delivery mile cpo mcconne v in gentian blue
I plan on front clip only
um
So like
It's a math problem. It's just a math problem. You know is is is
Is the the damage that's you're gonna that's gonna happen to your car over the time you own it more
than
putting the film on
And or does having the film change your vibe about the car like like
I
I'm with my spider full ppf. I know i'm keeping this car a long time
I'll very likely keep it for the length of the ppf and beyond expensive car expensive car
Tough to maybe paint if you had if you had to touch up paint tough to do, you know tough to get it right
um
and it made sense um
The Acura nsx perfectly preserved paint makes sense to do a full car
My tycon daily driver didn't do any right like i mean cpo mcconne v
In my opinion not that expensive a car
I would do the front clip because you're behind people they kick rocks up and stuff like that
But I don't I wouldn't feel the need to spend what it may very well be
Dude, it could be it could be eight thousand dollars right?
That's like 10 of the price of the car just to protect the paint in the back of it. Yeah from what?
Yeah, uh from like like a couple rock chips like I you know
You know like with I like with the spider
I like that like because it's ppf. I'll just like lean on the car
All like I'll like throw my backpack up on there and I'll know it's like fine, you know like but like
With the tycon, I just do that shit anyway. I just don't I just don't care. Yeah, it's white. It's fucking it's a daily like
It's rapidly depreciating no matter what like putting a putting a
Putting a an eight thousand dollar five thousand dollar ten thousand dollar ppf on a
Rapidly depreciating vehicle seems like futile to me
But if you're obsessive and you want to make sure it stays
Real nice and you really are afraid of getting like blasted with with gravel off of trucks and shit down there in texas
Then do the front. I wouldn't I wouldn't do the whole thing. Yeah, also nowadays with with paint repair
dent repair and
Like doing it like cutting your clear coat like you can repair
Four years of damage pretty well for less than doing a full ppf. Sure. So I would do that
Yeah, if your car is like if your car is white you could spray the nose fucking two grand
That's true. You know like if your car is if it's a very complex color, maybe not
Stan gable was the antagonist in revenge of the nerds. Oh, right. Thank you
Um
Amg hammer time koon touched this pretty good
If you were a restomad a grumman llv, what do you do for the drivetrain? That's a post office truck electric electric
The only answer is electric. Yeah
Prayer of the refugee wagon
with Montana plates
I'm looking for a fast fun mature family cruiser for my 40th birthday
Uh budget is 50k
Uh, I saw lexus gsf with 31 k miles go for 44 on cars and bids
Uh, curious if you've driven one. Yes, we have go look at our videos. We have a video review of that car
Uh, gsf is excellent
2017 gsf 31 k miles for 44 grand. Yep. I'm in. Yep. I mean I'm in for sure. That's a great car
Right that's that's got the v8 in it, right? I think so. Yeah
Yeah, baby
Because there was a g was there was a gsf sport also that had the other end that had the v6 which I also liked
But the gsf's the v8. Yes. Yes. That's fucking 400 game 400 470 horsepower. Yeah, fabulous. It'll sound good. Yeah
Why don't princes fight the war? Why do they send the poor so good? Yeah. Yeah
past an
Isuzu oasis on a back road in chicago rare to come across a car. I know nothing about although this one is a rebadge
Yep, actually, it's I think it's not. I think the geo is the rebadge
Oh, sorry. No, the oasis was the minivan. Sorry. That's the honda odyssey. Yeah, it looks like a wind star
No, it's a honda odyssey. Uh, I was thinking of the suzu impulse that was the the the
The geo was the rebadge. Can you recall the last time you saw something in the wild you didn't recognize?
I can because it was very recent because we were in the british virgin islands
And in the virgin islands, they have chinese cars now. Oh, we you know, it's funny
I didn't realize but I took a picture of that car the day we got there and took a picture the way we were the day we left
Yeah, the m zoom. Yeah, there was a bunch of really weird and funny chinese cars in the virgin islands
Which actually because
to my understanding
The registered vehicle registrations down there for us and brit virgin islands. I think are like
I don't know if they're separate like
What do you mean? Oh, like you can registry cars. Me either one plates didn't say british virgin islands
They just said virgin islands now. I don't know if that is like a
Rebellion get rebellion against the monarchy and there's the us virgin island plates are different because we didn't go to the us
Virgin islands or or if it's back and forth but like
Down there you can do right hand drive left hand drive. Yes. They don't give a fuck chinese cars like whatever
Jiminy we wrote in a 3,500 chevy silverado. There's like everything. It's all it's all going on down there
They'll they'll bring whatever down there. So like I don't that may be the only place you can get a chinese car
Registered on even a sort of us kind of tag
um
But what was the question?
Uh, oh last time we saw something we didn't recognize from non-manual transmissions unworthy good attempt, but that's clumsy
Uh, how good of a driving experience is the b7 outie rs4?
I've seen a lot about how they're nose heavy, but they're a very attractive manual sedan option
um
So
They are great highway cars. Yeah, that's really what they do. They're nice. They open sweepers. They're nice
They are nose heavy. They don't handle all that well, but they sound great. They look great
They're very cool very comfortable cool interior one of the best sounding engines ever made absolutely
You know if you're coming from bmw's which they say they are
An e9 dm3 will absolutely destroy it on a back road track anything else like that dynamically
It'll just feel better. Yeah m5 gonna be a little bit softer. I think uh
I bet this person would own it for six months and move on
If you're coming from if you're coming from rear drive well-balanced cars. Yeah, it's gonna feel very different
Yeah, and they are cool, but you kind of if you're looking at them objectively
It's it's an engine in search of a chassis. Yes, it absolutely and that's why the r8 exists
And if you're if by weekend car, do you mean you're gonna drive it?
You know on 70 or over to estus park or are you going up?
You know twisty roads for a fun time in the mountains because if you're doing that
You're gonna get bored quickly. Yeah
Uh, the panamera papers says the california tax and fee administration posted the list of the top 10 cities
Where can you see if you can find this where suspicious car sales to montana purchasers occurred?
It's about as expected, but based on the locations. Do you have any guesses as to the most offending brand?
Uh, do we have this this? Okay. All right
As expected is correct the top 10 cities where shady montana sales have taken place
Beverly hills coming in up top
416
Costa Mesa. Yep, 359. That's richy rich area down in orange county van nye's a little um
A little more surprising because van nye's isn't specifically a rich area where people live
But there are lots of high-end dealerships and van nye's
Uh, san diego, uh, I don't san diego gets to be taken just as a whole
That's that's pretty funny. That's a pretty big one compared to like Beverly hills, but
Marietta, Irvine, Santa Monica, Newport beach, mill valley and carlsbad
I mean what nine of these are pretty expensive places to live
Well, a bunch of them are where fucking Porsche stores are
I think I think every single one of those
Maybe not Santa Monica
Has a Porsche dealership. I think every single one of those has a Porsche store
And so I can't help but think that Porsche is the most offending brand, but also like
Beverly hills san diego, newport beach, Irvine
They all have also like, you know rolls Royce Bentley, McLaren Ferrari
um
Newport beach has a Ferrari and a McLaren dealer. I mean Beverly hills has every
Every fucking dealer imagine. I mean there's pagani in in Beverly hills. There's everything how offensive it's just
It bothers me so much that like if you can afford to live in Beverly hills and buy a car in Beverly hills
But you want to skate the sales taxes. Yeah, it just yeah
Yeah, yeah, so uh, we can't have nice things. I have to I have to bet the most offending brand is Porsche
Uh, just probably by volume
You know, but
Right
Probably yeah, probably
that or
Dude, I gotta tell you in this city
90% of the Ferraris I see driving around or on montana, right? That's what I'm saying like 90%
Yeah, like like almost all of them
And the and the entry price for that car is a lot higher than Porsche
I mean they start they begin where Porsche ends effectively for the most part. So yeah for the most I bet Ferraris the most offending
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, that could be
It could be
Because we're not talking thousands of cars. We're talking hundreds of cars. Yeah, so in the Beverly Hills one
It said there's 419 instances. There was 463
But but still it's but across all across that many dealers of 416. Sorry
It was that many across that many types of brands. Yeah, like there's a Ferrari. There's a Lambo. There's a mclaren
There's a Pagani Rolls Royce Bentley like all all Porsche every single brand
Is in Beverly Hills?
I'd love to see the percentage of
Pagani's
Out of the five sold it's got. Yeah. Yeah, probably
But yeah
That's
Hilarious all of it. Uh, thanks everybody good show today. It's it's I can't believe I'm saying this after a week on a boat
But it is nice to be back. Yes, my bed
Was never as comfortable as it was last night
It's uh
Yeah, it's it was oh my bed was so great four cats in the bed all night
Cats were so happy to see us. It was great. And uh, and now we have a heat wave
Yeah, and and tomorrow we're gonna go to the track
Uh, friday. Oh tomorrow's friday. Tomorrow's friday. There you go tomorrow. We're gonna go to the track with the bmw
m2cs
It might be here. I don't know. We'll see. Um, yeah, thank you to our patrons for keeping it all going on
We'll have a we'll have a march pro show for you next week
The travel is over for a little while and uh, check out our video
We're gonna put up tomorrow with the the 992 turbo s that we're giving away extremely exciting and um, yeah
Great questions this time. We'll see you next time. Bye
About this episode
The hosts share stories from a recent sailing trip and discuss frustrations with tech upgrades and tariffs on small car parts. They dive into a detailed investigation of Porsche GT3 pricing practices, revealing a complex dealer network inflating prices through consignment and resale. The episode also covers the cancellation of EV charger mandates due to domestic manufacturing requirements, the launch of a new car newspaper, and various automotive topics including hybrid adoption, nostalgic car builds, and practical scooter advice. Listener questions round out the show with insights on auctions, watch durability, and car storage.
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Journalists Matt Farah and Zack Klapman discuss a Rennlist posts accusing dealerships of colluding to pump the price of Porsche GT cars; a tariff bill for a cheap car part; weird cars seen in the BVI; which cities are using the Montana scam the most; and
Patreon questions include:
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- F/M/K: AMG, M, RS
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- Porsche merging Taycan with Panamera
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- What will get people to buy EVs?
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- The BMW Neue Klass 3 series
- Is the Nissan Z Performance the right daily?
- Do hybrid systems fix Audi's handling issue?
- Weirdest driveway we've ever seen
- When to PPF the whole car
- B7 Audi RS4 a good weekend car?
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Recorded March 19, 2026
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