Porsche Trivia Time – How Much Do You Know?

Welcome to the Porsche Club Insider, your one stop for all things Porsche and PCA.

Here's your host, Vu Gwin and the Insider Crew.

Welcome everyone to episode 193.

It's nice and cozy here in the podcast room as we have four people at the table and

Damon at the controls.

Welcome everyone.

Man, this is going to be fun.

I think Manny worked really hard on this one because we're going to, I don't say we're

going to try to stump you, but we're going to try to ask you a few questions to see how

well you know Porsche.

Oh, how well the listeners know Porsche because just because you own one doesn't mean you

may know the history or some interesting trivia about the mark.

Exactly.

And once you know all of this information, you should be well armed to go to any

cars and coffee or any party and be known as the Porsche person.

At least understand because I've talked to new members who said, I remember at first

time I came to an event and you guys were saying like 996, 964, 997.2 and I had no idea

what your guys were talking about.

And so I started thinking about the stuff that you may hear at a cars and coffee

and I started writing articles every once in a while and I would say like 10 more

things you need to know.

So people understand.

Yeah.

Well, we could ask you questions too.

Okay.

All right.

I did stump you before.

Oh, okay.

We'll have to.

I don't recall that.

Anyway, I'll remind you.

All right.

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So with that, welcome back Paul Gentile, member since 1986.

Long time friend of ours has Porsches, has a couple other cool cars

as well.

And as I was alluding to earlier, has a nice fresh driveway and garage.

So congratulations on that.

And a couple of houses down the street.

He brought along Gary Piles member since 2020.

And Gary hangs out with us here in the Chesapeake region as well.

Welcome to the podcast, fellas.

Thank you.

He just made you sound like his sidekick.

He kind of is.

I didn't invite him.

He does live up the street, but I did not invite him.

He is.

He followed you in.

So the last time I was on, I wasn't on the last podcast, but the one before that we

talked about a non-Porsche topic, which hopefully you thought it was kind of humorous in terms

of me finding a fender for my son.

If Manny wanted me to bring up not exactly a fun topic, but something that might be

interesting to you all because it might happen to you.

And the question is, how do you resolve the problem?

And it's something that I was thrusted into on Tuesday where my wife called me as she stepped

off the train tracks and walked towards her car in a parking garage that she's parked

there for 20 plus years.

And she hit the unlock button and she saw her lights blink, but because she was between

two cars, as she, from a distance, she didn't realize it.

But as she walked up close, it was a little lower than usual.

I mean, from a distance, you just see lights.

I mean, I think it was 630, so it was already kind of dark.

Anyway, she walked up to the car and there were no wheels and tires on the car.

Yeah.

So thankfully I was actually just home.

I wasn't traveling or anything like that.

So she called and I kind of thought, I didn't think it was a joke, but I was just in disbelief

when I got the call.

She's like, hey, I think you need to come to the train station because the Civic

doesn't have any wheels and tires.

I'm like, oh, are you kidding me?

So anyways, made it to the train station in about 15 minutes.

Before she called me, she actually called the police, got there.

Police was nowhere to be found, continued to wait.

And while we're waiting, now I'm trying to figure out how do I get a car with no

wheels home.

And for those of you that aren't watching on YouTube, it's a 2022 Civic Sport,

very popular wheel.

So honestly, I'm not even surprised that they targeted her car.

But what do you do?

What would you guys do?

Did you grab anything when you got the call?

Well, no, initially, I figured, let me go assess the situation, right?

So my damsel in distress.

So I just hopped in the car and went over.

Thankfully one of the...

He scared the death of her.

He was like a farming.

If there was a pole, he would have slid down that pole.

Thankfully, one of the other commuters stayed with her, because I can tell she was a little

bit startled.

I mean, you feel violated, right?

So I get there and I immediately notice the car obviously has no wheels and tires, but

I also notice how they left the car.

And I see lug nuts, including the wheel locks.

Everybody asked me, did it have wheel locks?

Yes, it had wheel locks.

All the lug nuts and the wheel locks were on the ground and the car was perfectly balanced

on four Pepsi plastic crates.

They put it right in the middle of the car and the car was almost teetering.

So you worry when something like that happens, they just drop it on the ground and they

maybe crack a rotor or scratch up the bottom.

But literally I could take my one finger and kind of teeter the car.

So we're waiting for the cops.

Initially went to the wrong train station, so that's why I got there before they did.

But what would you guys do?

I'm definitely not leaving the car at the train station.

What would you guys do?

First of all, I would never have done what you did.

I don't know that I would have thought to do that.

So my first thought was, well, we called AAA and AAA said, well, we can't send a tow

truck out because you have no wheels.

I'm like, okay, great.

So what should I do?

You should call your insurance company.

I'm like, what are they going to do?

What are they going to do?

Right?

Okay, I got to figure out how to get wheels on this thing.

Now it's like 7.15 or so, 7.15 at night.

And so the Civic thankfully has a spare tire.

My brother has the same car, or my sister-in-law has the same car, so I was going to grab

that spare tire.

And then my neighbor has a Civic, I was going to grab that spare tire.

And then my other neighbor has an Accord, which has the same bolt pattern, I was

going to grab that spare tire.

So I could have four at least wheels to put on the car.

Obviously not to drive home, but to just get it on the flatbed.

You could have driven at home, I guess.

I don't know if you would want to drive.

I guess you could maybe?

I don't know, drive slowly at least.

Does that traction control?

I don't know.

Because I think different diameter wheels would light up the dash.

One wheel would be kind of off because of that.

It would light up the dash.

But I wouldn't have driven.

I wouldn't have taken the chance.

So then I'm thinking, okay, now I got to, even if I got the wheels and got a flatbed,

I still have to wait.

That's like kind of a long time.

So I was like, what are the...

And I had been looking for a tire.

That's another story.

But anyways, I've been looking at Facebook Marketplace.

I knew that there's rims and tires out there.

So you should pay about $700, $800 for a nice set of wheels and tires.

Recently stolen wheels.

Recently sold wheels that she had.

Just what you need.

Most of the ones that I found were kind of far away or they were at a tire shop.

So they weren't going to be obviously open.

I did found a set that was available in Gaithersburg, which is about 35, 40 minutes away.

So I messaged the guy.

Thankfully he answered.

I made him an offer.

Do you say we have a set coming in right now?

Cash only.

No questions asked.

And of course, everybody's like, did you buy back your own wheels?

No, because I could.

I know my wheels.

Honestly, I'm still looking on Facebook.

And how did you know they were not your wheels?

Because I know there's so there's two wheels on her car that have scratches.

And then also she has good years.

The wheels I bought have continental, but then I also know the date codes on her car.

They have three matching date codes.

Because remember how I told you earlier that I wasn't looking for it because the pre-podcast

answer was she curbed two of the wheels.

Now they had something scratching on them because they met a curb, but lightly, lightly.

Did you do that?

No, I didn't do it, but it's okay.

It's a car.

It's a little scratches in the wizard black.

So they touch up.

Like a testifying before Congress.

Every word that he says.

So the three tires have matching date codes, but the one tire has a one year newer date

code.

So I'm still looking on Facebook because if I find them, I can forward the information

to the police officer.

So it's kind of a game there.

Anyways, so the guy agrees on the price.

So now the plan is in place to go home.

I was in the Cayenne, but went home, grabbed the fit, called my buddy to come out, grabbed

the floor jacks, grabbed the impact gun.

But before we left, we told the police officers, like, I'm going to come back with a bunch

of tools and wheels and tires.

So just let your, hopefully you can come back and kind of, you know, I don't know

who's going to be here.

But she's like, no, no, we'll tell the squad or whatever they call them.

And so we come back.

We had the Gaithersburg come back and as we are getting ready to put the wheels and

tires on, she comes back and she goes, so are these the wheels that came off the car?

And I was like, I was very specific.

These are wheels, similar model wheels, but they are not the wheels that came off.

In fact, they have different tires.

And she was like, so how did you get them so close?

And I told her what I just told you guys and I said, I'll be here.

I'll be out of here in, in 10 minutes.

Ty with you?

Ty was with me.

He's a police.

So he was police.

Oh, he was.

So then they started talking park police stuff and then, yeah, it was fine.

But yeah, I mean, I could understand maybe some people probably could do insurance fraud

with this.

Like, if you put your car up and then came, yeah, but you could.

So I'm sure she has to like, has to ask the question.

But I said, you know, I say, these are brand new.

You can tell.

And, you know, these are Continental's and not good years and da, da, da, da.

So yeah, 10 minutes later, cars back on the ground.

So basically that whole ordeal was three hours.

And the reason why we're sharing this with you is perhaps hopefully

you don't have an incident with obviously your Porsche, but maybe

your commuter car that sit in a lot.

I mean, I'm not even mad.

People are like, oh, so are you upset?

It's like, I'm not even that mad because you got a deal on them

and you needed tires anyway.

I mean, yeah, her, her, her tires are like more than halfway done.

I'll just do client tires.

And these tires are literally are brand new.

They're off of a 2026 Civic and they had like the barrels

didn't even have dirt on them.

They're they're brand new.

So, yeah, and they could have been worse.

Like one, obviously I'm happy my wife didn't

wasn't in some sort of altercation.

But the way they put the Pepsi crates under the car

like did not even scratch up the the bottom rockers.

I mean, they just they just did it nicely.

They didn't scratch offenders when they took.

Props for Marilyn thieves.

They I mean, I'm not trying to get a lot of practice.

If if it's going to happen, like this is that is good.

And then I could get the I got the car home and the cops like

using the Pepsi things as a clue to find.

No, I took them home because I think they are fantastic tools

around the garage now.

They're strong.

Oh, yeah, don't mark up the bottom of your car.

Like I'll write tech tips.

It's the lower and their way lighter than Jackson.

They're super light.

So I have so these four Pepsi crates cost me

nine hundred bucks.

Obviously, people were saying the next episode

is going to tell us I got crushed when the Pepsi stuff.

Yeah. And I know people were saying,

well, are you going to go through insurance with it?

Yeah, I just like, I mean, one, I didn't

I was going to wait for the insurance company

to figure out what to do.

It's not worth making that claim.

And I'm just three hours and I'm done

and I get it. It's tough out there.

They worked out really well for you.

I mean, if I was in that boat

and I was like Luanne commuting all the time,

I was more worried about my car being stolen.

But I know exactly why, though, because normally

one, normally the train station is fairly crowded with people.

But because of things that are happening down in D.C.,

you know, the train ride is light.

And so she normally parks upstairs, just like just like a thief

like coming into your house is different from stealing

something from your your front driveway, right?

Or even the car that's parked out in the car entry.

But because it's been light,

she parked in the very ground level, which is open to everything.

And it's where like the kiss and ride is.

So and she's going in five days a week

and she's been parking in the same spot for the last two weeks.

And that place is empty from nine to whatever.

Oh, and it doesn't have any cameras.

So I feel like we was giving advice to thieves.

If you come to Maryland.

I'm sure these aren't listening to our podcast.

They're probably in and out of there in five minutes there.

Yeah, they're in and out.

Oh, and the other thing is they I would like to think that

they're pros because the car did have wheel locks

and the wheel locks didn't even have marks on them.

They had the key.

They I was talk to Carl, who works for Subaru.

Yeah, the other and I said, how fresh?

Well, I said they don't sell that except only to shops.

Yeah, they get people coming in.

They want to buy it. Yeah.

And they will not sell the master key.

Well, I said, how many different locks are there?

He goes for Subaru, there's 20. Yeah.

So you get a kit with 20 different.

And now you have you lost your key.

You can come with your VIN number and we can order it for you.

But you have to prove that you own the car.

And it's a lot of process to get this key.

But he said they do not sell to the public.

That's it goes.

So the other they got it from someone who owned the shop

or somehow they managed to get it.

But it's 20, at least on the Subaru, there's 20 different locks.

Yeah, the locks were perfect.

Not a mark on them.

Wow.

But you know, it got me to thinking, though.

So, yeah, I know they have these master sets

and I'm sure these can get them, right?

These can get anything.

But also, you know, remember Gator grip sockets?

They're like pins.

I wonder if you used a Gator socket on and they even say thumbs up.

We must have tried it.

Yeah, I've definitely you can get stuff

like Home Depot or the auto parts store that'll it's like

reverse thread or the Gator locks.

There's like two or three different products

that if you lose your wheel lock, you can get.

Yeah, yeah.

Danny has them.

Really?

Yeah, it's the wheels or the wheel.

I'm getting the lock.

So he said use them.

Yeah, I mean, yeah.

Well, we had Project 964.

It was the first time I had a car that had 10,000

our wheels on them.

So normally I never cared about the most of my car

I don't have wheel locks because I'm like, you're not really

going to hurt me.

You steal the wheels.

And but that I'm really three.

I bought $40 for a wheel.

I think I survived.

Somebody sealed my wheel.

The tires were worth more barely.

The so I started doing research on wheel locks to say,

well, maybe you should get some really good wheel locks

for these wheels.

Basically, none of them are I mean, at least like you

said, a pro can get in there and watch your video

or even like the best, most expensive locks.

I think the most expensive one took them 90 seconds to break

into other ones.

It's a deterrent.

Yeah, it's a deterrent.

And so it's like they're going to look for a car that doesn't

have obviously will be easier target.

So so what do we do now?

I mean, I bought a second set of locks just to buy two

minutes of time.

But the real solution is she doesn't drive that car

to the train station.

She's been taken.

So the next day, I'm like, why don't you take the Cayenne

to the train?

She said, oh, my God, you want me?

We just got the wheel stolen.

Should I take the Cayenne?

What they steal those was I'm like, this Cayenne wheels are

not easy to offload.

No, no thief wants Cayenne wheels.

So and also don't park in that same spot.

What are you going to do?

Right?

Got a few choices that you could say.

Because I would come home off the train.

I always worry about my car being stolen.

And so the car, the whole car, the whole car, because

that was going on.

There was, you know, signs, your cars being stolen.

I commuted into DC and I'd park at the end of the

metro. So a huge parking lot.

And they were giving folks free clubs to put on their

cars if they had the high ones.

So I was always worried about it being stolen.

So what I would do is I drove my turbo.

I would take my driving gloves and set them on the

Triptonic shifter.

So if you looked in, you couldn't tell if it was a

manual or not because as you, what have we heard

about?

Oh, yeah.

Right.

There was like none or a very small number of manuals

that were stolen.

But if I walked out and my wheels were gone, I would

probably call our local independent shop benchmark

and just say, hey, I just came back.

What do you think I should do?

And he might have more resources.

You lucked out.

He would tell you to drive it in and we'll take care of it.

But what a pain at that time.

So body shops have these universal temporary wheels.

They're like orange.

They look like a spare saver, but they have all the

different bolt patterns on that.

So you can roll the car around.

So I was thinking, you know, something like that.

But you know, at 730 at night, how am I going to get a hold

of four or three of them?

Right.

So it's, yeah.

So that's a possible solution.

If hopefully it doesn't happen to you.

But if it does, yeah, I know how to steal a car

with no wheels, I can, yeah.

Well, let's not put it in the title of the podcast

because someone might search by it.

Anyways, let's let's get to the education side of it.

Again, thank you to Manny for putting this

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Now, first question, super easy,

but believe it or not, a lot of non-enthusiasm.

Before we get into that, we asked them what they drive.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

As a listener, there's no...

You did list that, my bad.

So let's start with you

because your answer's a little bit easier.

What do you drive?

My daily driver is a 2002 Porsche 996 Turbo

with 140,000 miles on it.

It's my daily driver, I take it everywhere.

I've taken it to the mountains,

I've taken it to the beach, no problem with that.

And you drive it through everything.

Yeah.

Your past Porsche, your 996, your speed yellow,

you drove that thing through everything too.

Exactly, that car had 170,000 miles on it.

These cars are meant to be driven

and that's our driver, my wife Stacy,

she has a 2012 Cayman R.

And I'm looking over here at Damon,

we picked his brain about Caymans before that purchase.

So we're a two car family and two Porsches.

That's awesome.

All right, so where are you gonna start, Mr. Gentili?

I'll start with four doors down from him

is another Cayman R, of which, what are there,

six or 700 of them in the States.

A very nice example one too.

You searched high and low and long time.

And found it on the mart.

Found it on the mart.

Another PCA member who was a complete gentleman

to buy a car from,

have a 83, 911 SC that I've had since 91, not 81,

which is what I said on a previous podcast,

and a 2021 Macon.

And the Macon, that's the one we did the one.

Test drive?

One mile review on?

Yep.

You did the one mile review on the turbo.

On your turbo?

Who drove that one?

Manny?

Blobsass.

Oh, Sass drove it.

Ah.

And then Manny did it.

Yeah, I was gonna say, that's when we were doing auditions.

Look at David, he starts to laugh.

I was about to turn my microphone on,

it was that car, yeah.

That's when Rob's like, yeah,

I'm not gonna do videos.

It was like the first time we were doing that series

and we say, let's see how we all look on camera.

So we'll take the same car and we'll all do the, yeah.

Was that one not published?

Yeah, it felt under, it looks a lot easier

than it really is.

And we published Manny's.

Unreleased, Engel.

And unlike Gary, I don't drive him like he does.

Yeah, but you drive them though.

Yeah, I do.

You drive them?

No, no, no, no, no.

As my neighbor, Stacy's like,

oh, it's not raining today.

I saw Paul drive by.

Well, Paul has the weather gauge.

I got the weather vehicle last for sure.

But, you know, Paul's definitely nothing against you, Gary,

but if Paul sells a car, you just buy it.

Like you just know you can just buy it sight unseen.

So what's the, when it's raining, car does you drive?

The E91 BMW wagon.

BMW wagon, yeah.

So I have no idea what the E's and the D's are.

What year is that?

2012.

Three series.

Mangle, trans, rear wheel drive.

Very nice car.

Sedan color.

And a proper sedan color.

The same way.

Yeah, there we go.

The same way new Porsche owners are at cars and coffee

with us and our 964, 993s.

I am with BMW.

I know most BMWs.

I know the original, the E30.

I kind of remember that.

The ones I don't know.

The McLaren.

New ones.

No, forget that.

The newer ones and also like Ferrari, Lingo,

McLaren's the worst, I think.

McLaren?

It's like a printer name, MC.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

Yeah.

All right, so let's get started.

I'll do the first one.

This one's super easy.

Is it true that Porsche is a two-syllable name?

Absolutely.

Naturally.

People often ask us.

German last name.

I grew up in Germany.

So it's very common.

You know how I answer people when they ask me that

and this totally is like a big name drop is because I say,

because I speak to the family.

And they go Porsche.

So I think they know how to pronounce it.

I always tell them, I go watch how they pronounce

well soon to be ex or former CEO,

Oliver Blumma.

They always say Blumma because of the E at the end.

I said, so same thing.

It's Porsche.

Now the second question, I'll let Manny ask it.

And this one's not easy.

You get like right off the bat.

When did Porsche start using the famous crest?

This was later.

They didn't start off with it.

I think they started off with their name,

but I think the marketing guys in the city of Stuttgart

or whatnot wanted to do some sort of promotion.

So I would say maybe year five or six after they launched.

I can see smoke coming out of his head.

I was gonna say early sixties, but.

Oh, 52.

It appeared on.

I said fifties, didn't I?

It appeared on steering wheels.

And then in 54, it appeared on the hood of cars.

And the crest was really the brainchild of Max Hoffman,

who was the importer for Porsche.

And he would frequently meet with Ferry Porsche.

And one of the things he asked for was something

like a badge, like MG had Triumph Jaguar

and something similar to that,

instead of just a script that said Porsche.

So there's that famous napkin that Porsche actually marketed

with the drawing of the initial crest

and the idea of using the Stuttgart code of arms and whatnot.

So it's evolved over the years too, right?

So going back to the steering wheel,

so if you were like in a Gramon 356,

you wouldn't see a crest,

but if you were like in a 356A,

you'd have it on the steering wheel?

It would have been a pre-A.

Okay.

Because it was on the hood handle too.

Yeah, well, 54, they put it in the NSL pre-A.

So you mentioned the napkin thing.

I thought I heard that that napkin thing was like a-

Little romantic.

Romantic, that never, there was actually-

It was a Stuttgart thing.

It was actually a internal contest,

either with their employees or their contractors

that created the logo.

The napkin thing was just like a romantic story.

I think the part of Max Hoffman asking for it,

I think was real.

Them sitting there and drawing it.

At the bar was the restaurant on the napkin.

Probably-

It's a nice story.

It is a nice story.

That was the truth going away with the story.

I was at the museum, I think,

when I heard that about the-

But Porsche made up a whole bunch of napkins

to celebrate, I think, one of their anniversaries.

So they perpetuated the myth.

They perpetuated the myth.

Yeah, that's romantic, right?

All right, here's a good one.

Where was the engine located

in the first Porsche registered for the street?

I know this one.

We were at the museum.

Which museum?

The Porsche museum.

And we pointed it out.

I'm gonna guess mid, not rear.

Mid, yeah.

Which is where it should be.

Oh God, here comes the mail.

Everyone thinks the Porsche 356

has a rear engine car and most were,

but the first prototype, the 3561,

the engine is behind the driver

in front of the rear axle.

Well, that's why a lot of mid-engine Porsche folks

are so happy that their car is really,

you know, akin to the very first one.

So currently at the museum, they have that sitting there

and you're like, wow, look,

is this some, like, no, that's the real car.

It's, it's, that's where the engine was.

Yes and no.

Yes and no, because the car at the museum-

But to find out Santa Claus isn't real.

It is the fat guy.

If children are watching this show, that's not true.

So the car at the museum is a replica,

a very close replica, but it's not the actual car.

Is it an actual one?

The actual car does exist,

but they swap out because of exhibitions

and stuff like that.

And they also made like a later iteration

that was more accurate to like the first car

because the original car has changed.

Well, it looks really good

and the car's got mad when I touched it.

Well, and the fact that it's in the museum

that you just automatically assume that it's-

I remember like the first trip to Germany for me,

we got to sit in it.

It was in a workshop.

Oh, cool.

And the guy was like, yeah, I think I see it in it.

We're like, really?

I guess it's just a car.

Just sit in it.

And yeah, to us, we were like, that's-

Like holy grail.

Holy grail.

That you're sitting in the Porsche number one,

but for him, he was like, yeah, just sit in it.

We'll take some pictures of you.

All right, next one.

What is the pink pig?

That is the nickname for a race car.

Good.

917, maybe?

Very good.

It's pretty good, yeah?

Pretty good.

So it was actually the 917-20

that Tony Lapin, who was one of the chief designers

for Porsche, he actually designed the livery for it.

And the story goes that the, I believe,

the story I was told was, during World War II,

it was kind of an insult because the Russians

called the German soldiers pigs.

And so that was like an insult.

And so it was, Tony's sense of humor,

thought it'd be funny to make a pig.

Willie Colson was the first driver of the pink pig.

And he told us, I heard him told a story before,

and I asked him to repeat it at the last Wren Sport.

He was, he did not see the car.

He did not know about this livery.

He had driven the Hippie car prior,

which was paisley, because it was really cool, exactly.

Look, so when he showed up to the track,

everyone was saying, have you seen your car?

And he's like, oh yeah, yeah, he goes, I love it.

And I'm like, really?

And he's like, oh yeah, I love it.

Thinking he was driving the Hippie car again.

And he said he came around the corner

and he sees this monstrosity.

And he's like, what is this?

And at first he refused to drive it.

And after they climbed him down,

or talked him down from the wall,

he got in the car and drove it.

And actually, people really loved the car.

But the interesting thing is the car

did not do very well in competition.

For as much fanfare and attention Porsche gave

to pink pig, it didn't do very well.

The tribute car, the RSR, they did in 2018,

I believe that they did much better in,

but the 91720, which was a unique flat shape almost,

didn't do well, it was just delivery,

it didn't really work.

A good livery does a lot for the history of the car.

The Gulf oil livery is by far the best.

And a Gulf oil car never won Le Mans.

It doesn't matter.

Except in a movie Le Mans.

It's iconic, right?

Go Steve, it is the best.

Now we saw a replica of the Red Pig.

So have you guys heard of the Red Pig?

The Red Pig.

No, where was this?

In Stuttgart.

Yeah, this was in Stuttgart too.

It was, okay, so the Red Pig is a rally car,

made, a four-door rally car, made by Mercedes.

Same thing, it did horrible in competition,

but the crowd loved it.

But did it have like the dots and the cuts of meat?

No, no, but I think there's gotta be

some relationship to it.

Yeah.

I've never seen this car before.

69 Mercedes, 300 SL, 6.8.

We're telling Tom that he should,

that's the way he should do it.

Oh, Red Pig.

For his car.

Yeah, that is a very cool look.

I didn't realize it was called the Red Pig though.

I've seen the car, I just never know.

Yeah, and it has an interesting demise too.

It was used in aircraft testing.

So, some cars had scrapped,

that one had it very interesting.

How did they use a car in aircraft testing?

Oh, that car, yeah, yeah, I know that car.

Did they drop it out of the plane?

I think they were using it to test landing gear,

and I think it served as the landing gear.

Tom should do it.

Wow.

Yeah.

Yeah, I've seen the car.

But pigs apparently were very popular

in Germany at that time.

All right, let's move on to a turbo question.

The nine.

Let's see.

If you know this one.

You just gave way to the answer.

Oh.

Well, turbo.

This is a very well-rehearsed showroom here.

The next Alistair back here.

What do they mean?

Oh, turbo.

Well, I mean, yes.

What is turbo?

Yeah, it did.

You gotta tell more than just

the fact that it's a turbo.

You guys know it.

I know you know at least this.

What do they mean when they say it's a widowmaker

for a 911 turbo?

So that's the very first 911, 930 turbo

back in the 78, 79 time frame

where if you lift in a turn, it just spins.

Hence.

With the boost coming on.

With the boost coming on, yeah.

Well, in my world, in the water cool,

the liquid cool 996 world,

we call it the widowmakers when you take a base turbo

and you make it a GT3.

So you disconnect the all-wheel drive.

Oh, GT2.

Oh, GT2, yeah.

Making it a GT2, yeah.

And they're like, this is your widowmaker.

And I tried that and it was scary.

Really?

Yeah.

I can understand why they call it a widowmaker.

Yeah, that's true.

The GT2s are, they add a safety of all-wheel drive

and yes, it was very, I understand.

You want to tell a story,

how you back got one of those half shafts out?

What happened here?

Sometimes you have to reach for like the blue tool,

the blue wrench, which is, you know, a flamethrower or stuff.

In this case, I couldn't get this half shaft out.

So I just cut it.

Or cut it off.

Or you cut it off?

Cut it off.

And then.

You didn't do half shafts anyway.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So let's be clear of stuff.

So you drove it for a while with just two-wheel drive?

Well, here's the interesting thing,

so you gotta trick the car.

I think we should at this point

tell people you are not a doctor in the medical field.

So if you were gonna do this,

you take your old half shafts and you keep the splines.

And that way it can read the number of rotations

so the car doesn't upset.

But you're still, nothing's connected to the drive.

And you can pull out the whole differential

and that's like a hundred plus.

You're talking about the front.

Yeah, yeah, the front thing.

Yeah.

Hmm.

All right.

Another widowmaker step is reduced, right?

Yes, or the flamethrower itself.

When he told me he cut the half shaft, I think.

Well, I was just looking.

I was like, wait, I'm not gonna reuse this.

Why am I killing it?

That's one way to solve the problem.

All right, so Porsche history here.

How are the towns of Zellemse

and Gamund connected to Porsche?

I mean, Gamund is the name for what?

The very early 356.

But I don't know the answer to the other one.

I'll go for that one.

So Gamund was the sawmill,

but that location was chosen because Zellemse,

which is Zell by the lake,

was where the family home was.

Very good.

And then it had like this.

Scary.

It had like a paid attention at the museum nearby.

And I think, correct me if I'm right, guys,

but then they started doing ice racing again at Zellemse?

Correct.

Wow.

Zellemse is where the family estate

is also the home of Porsche design.

And Gamund, like you said,

is the original sawmill

that was transformed into the first Porsche factory.

5051, they were building,

4849 they were building the Porsche there.

What's interesting was,

so the war is nearing an end

and the allies were bombing Stugart.

So the Nazis wanted to get the Porsche family out of there

or particularly Dr. Porsche editors,

as quick as possible.

So they wanted to move them to what was at the time,

Czechoslovakia and very Porsche did not like that idea.

So he quickly went searching for a place

that they would feel comfortable at.

And that's where he found the sawmill and Zellemse,

which was a quick short ride, as we know,

called the Gross Clock.

Gross Clock.

The most awesome 30 Euro pass I've ever been on

that takes you across the mountain to Zellemse.

Which I just found out today means by the lake.

Yeah.

That's very cool.

We'll see.

We'll see a portion of it as well.

And they would do testing for Porsche

as they went to the family home.

They would test their cars up this mountain pass.

So it wasn't uncommon to see the latest Porsche

being tested.

That's where the Type 64 was.

That one, the infamous one from the recent auction.

Yeah.

And if you go to a Gamoon,

you can see the sawmill still there.

Been redone, but you can see the way it was

when Porsche was building cars.

It's time.

And there's a little museum there and whatnot.

And there's a little town over there called Caperne.

And for US history buffs, that's where the fourth ID

and the band of brothers, if you will,

from World War II and others,

after they freed Birch's Garden,

they went to Caperne and just had R&R rest

and relaxation.

Because this is gorgeous.

You can see why it was where the family.

I did read that when allies did not realize

that Porsche had a little factory set up in Gamoon,

they went right by it and didn't realize

that what they were doing there wasn't until

they intensified the search for Dr. Porsche

that they found out that, by the way,

you may want to check the outskirts of town.

There's a sawmill where they're building,

at the time they weren't building cars,

but they were doing other engineering work.

And that's what they said they found Dr. Porsche.

All right, next question here.

Are the Porsche tractors made by the same company

that made 9-Eleven's?

Do you have to assume, I have to assume yes,

but I don't know.

I wonder if this is a trick question

because you mentioned earlier,

like, oh, Porsche design is here.

I know they have like Gambe Ha design,

which is separate from this.

Don't overthink it.

I'd say yeah, they started cranking out tractors

after the war to make money.

It is true, Porsche did build farm tractors

in the 50s and 60s.

And I think there's a pink pig version

of the tractor out there.

Yeah, one factory though, David.

Yeah, it was a factory.

It's an over 100,000, over 100,000.

Yeah, it was very, at one point,

very profitable for them until it wasn't,

and that's when they stopped.

And I would say probably what, a decade ago,

it became like the end thing for those

that were into Porsches to have a Porsche tractor.

I don't know if that's so much the case now,

because what do you do with the tractor?

Is anybody local?

I saw the, you know, at Wren Sport,

I saw the races.

That's when they come up.

That's like the only thing you do with them,

like what else would you do?

Or at a concor, you know,

if you use the pull race cars or whatnot,

it's pretty cool.

Are you sure?

It's kind of like when,

if you buy those little Japanese trucks

that don't go faster than 50 miles an hour

and you want to buy people buy those things.

Yeah.

And do we know it?

Do we know anyone that has one of those?

Those are street legal.

What's the year we get to see it at the open house

is excuse to carry around water.

Wow, wow.

So is there anybody?

Ganging up on me.

Anybody locally have a tractor?

That you know?

I don't know.

That's the problem is that you really can't,

you gotta tow it everywhere, right?

Yeah, but I'm just wondering if anybody's ever seen it.

It's even Wednesday for cars.

How often can you use it to cut you along

before you're like screw this,

I'm gonna get a real zero turn motor.

I mean, I've seen them completely restored

like they're brand new.

Mayn and I saw one at Amelia this year.

The master, the biggest one.

And they're very reasonably priced,

but again.

What do you do with it?

It's a nice, the guitar doesn't have a lot of space.

You can brag that you have an open wheel.

What do you do with the 906, you know?

Drive is 906?

Yes, that you drive.

Drive, you drive.

Do you drive your tractor?

To your point,

so Porsche design was not formed until after 72.

That's late.

Ferry Porsche basically fired the family

and brought in professionals to run Porsche.

They all had to find their own way, if you will.

And Butsy Porsche formed Porsche design.

So that was much later that that was formed.

That was a hard question.

Oh, this next question is interesting.

You asked this one.

All right, so now we know I'm a social media

and I think magazine,

but what is type seven?

Why is that important to Porsche history?

Type seven?

Type seven.

No.

Have you ever heard of type seven?

No.

All right, so it's a big social media channel,

but type seven is the first official engineering project

number for Porsche.

So Porsche was formed initially as a engineering firm

before they started building cars.

So 48 is when they registered their first road car,

but they're in business in the 30s doing engineering work.

And that's what they became famous for.

And Dr. Porsche, not very Porsche,

but the world of their professor,

he did not want it to appear

that his first job was this project number one.

So he accelerated project number seven,

to make it look like they already had customers

because they had a big project

to build a design to Wanderer,

which Damon has on the screen,

that saloon and that was their first official project.

Doesn't look pretty cool.

Anything like a Porsche that we know.

So did then he go back and use previous numbers

like they do with 993 and 996?

They're all over the map on those.

Well, yes and no.

If you start looking at all their numbers,

they have filled them in, they're just not cars.

For instance, engineering projects.

But they've gone backwards.

You know what type 912 is?

Well, I'm thinking it's the four cylinder 911,

but maybe not.

Type 912 is the engine number for the 917.

But you would think that's when I first read about it,

I thought same thing on the 56 engine 911 and no.

This whole internal versus marketing.

Do you know the number, we know the numbering scheme,

but do we know the rationale?

I mean, because it just bounces all over them.

I think a lot of it was marketing, it would sound good,

but I don't think, no, a lot of it doesn't make sense

and they don't necessarily do it in order.

Right, they don't.

Currently is the 992, right?

We already have a 993, so does that mean don't?

We had a 991.

Is a 994 gonna sound that good?

994?

995 maybe.

995.

And they already picked 996, right?

Like six, seven, not eight, not triple nine.

I think there is a 998 project number.

So who knows?

I think that's why Porsche has been giving names of things

and like the Cayenne, they really made,

Damon and I were talking about this,

the Cayenne and Macan, the Taycan,

they put these wacky, like what is it Damon?

Like 980 or, it's not sexy at all.

It's like they don't want you using it.

They have a number for them.

Well Panamera, not a bum-a-blah.

It ends up confusing everybody

because you have the Cayenne,

but then you have, it's like one of the generations

is like 9PA, but Porsche PR calls it E1

and service people call it E1,

but then everybody in the public

calls it 955 or 957,

when nobody at Porsche actually calls it that,

like it's super weird.

All right, so this next question,

careful how you answer it so that we don't get canceled.

That would never happen.

What Porsche was called the secretary's car?

And the hate mail will go directly

to your inbox if you say it incorrectly.

I'll take a guess, 924.

I was gonna go trans-axle as well,

I'm gonna go just for controversy, 914,

as I stared at my friend at the ride.

You were dead to me, so.

Yeah.

And all the Gary have now been canceled.

And now he's just been free.

And the reason why is I thought of some of the marketing

that showed a lot of women with 914s.

Yes, this one, you have to dig deep

into motorsports history.

And I actually knew this one

just because it's a very famous photo.

It's actually the 917

was initially nicknamed the secretary's car.

What?

Yeah, when they had to present 25 completed examples.

Which was unheard of at the time.

I mean, the FIA never thought anyone would build 25

of these cars.

Five would be like a push, 25 was impossible.

So that's why they came up with that number

because no one would do it.

But in order to be able to deliver

these quote-unquote completed 25 examples,

they had to enlist everyone at the factory

including the secretary.

Is it all hand-wrapped by them?

No, no, to have them lined up and be prepared

to be inspected.

Remember, of course, it was a small company in 69.

And they didn't have the resources to say,

okay, we need 100 people to put together 917.

So it got, the story is near the end of that line

of cars.

Less and less of a car.

They were like a truck engine is weighing it down.

They were trying to get the FIA to go to lunch

midway through.

So they wouldn't go all the way down

because by the end, this barely held together.

Where were we here?

Well, that's what Carol Shelby did.

Yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

You had one car, change colors, yeah, yeah.

Oh, this next one's good

because we hear this question a lot.

I'll let you take this one.

Why does the 911 have the ignition key on the left?

To be able to start it quicker

as they run to Le Mans.

Oh no, no, actually, it's less wire.

I think, less wire.

I was always told it was a tribute to the Le Mans start.

So that's the very romantic, great story.

Very romantic.

But if you ever tried to do that,

you'd find it's almost impossible

to really gain any advantage.

I'd look, trust me, I tried to do it one time.

See how much quicker.

Please tell me there's video.

Come on, come on.

Manning running across the street.

No. First of all,

climbing over a roll cage.

It's a potential emotion, Damon.

And then you gotta leave the key in the ignition

because then you're just trying to put the key in.

Roll cage, this is the golden era.

Yeah, it was a romantic notion,

but the reality was Porsche realized they could save money

and at the time they were pretty poor,

so they might want to save.

Less wiring.

Sure, the wiring, yeah.

Less wiring.

But the romantic story is still used by Porsche.

They still use it.

Not the 992.2, right?

It's a more key.

But it's still on the left.

No, I don't think so.

I think it's on the right.

992?

I think so, because people were complaining about it.

992 is, the button is on the left.

It is on the left?

Yeah, but it's just the button now.

It's not a...

I was gonna say, when did it go to the right?

The dot two, the 992 dot two, I think.

Dot two, yeah.

I remember someone internally told us

that when they had this discussion

about whether they had the key or not,

which at this point wasn't even a key.

It was just a knob that you turned.

At that level, almost a board,

they almost got in the fisticuffs

because people were so passionate about it,

either a push button or turning the key.

Macan has a key.

It doesn't come out,

but it is on the left and you turn.

Right.

Although in all fairness,

I had a 7911 and a 912,

and there's a lot of wiring on that portion

because you've got the turn signal stock

with your lights and that.

But back in the day, to move it an extra foot

for every single car, right?

I mean, that's-

But that's one of the reasons you put relays

in that wiring harness if you put modern lights

because it could blow

because there's very little wiring that are distance wise.

So yeah, that makes sense.

Okay.

So there is a 914 trivia question.

I think, well, you know it.

How do you know real,

one of the significant differences in a 914-6

is the key is on the left.

And the four cylinder, it's on the right.

It's in the steering column

because it came from Volkswagen.

Well, very good.

Look at you making up your own trivia questions.

Good job.

I have more.

That's pretty amazing.

Oh, wait.

I've been given a score.

You haven't answered that many,

so you're not testing too well today.

I know.

But it's all in the name of educating our listeners.

All right, the next one here,

I think you two will know this,

but to our listeners,

do you know this one?

What is the original 911 called?

9-0-1.

And Pujo.

Is that your final answer?

Yeah, I agree.

That was a 9-0-1 until the lawsuit.

Yeah, lawsuit from Pujo.

Flashed the country of France.

Yes.

So Pujo made it known that they had an issue

with the name 9-0-1.

And so they chose 9-11.

Now here's a question I don't know, man.

He is, why did they choose 9-11?

Just because it was the next number in line.

No, I mean, they could.

That would be 9-0-2.

9-0-3.

9-0-4.

That's a good answer.

That's why we love them.

I think our group call is because Pujo's argument is like,

we're the one number company.

And so if they've just gone two,

it'd still be the same legal argument.

So they do 9-10 then.

So here's actually the 9-10.

And the 9-0-4, 9-0-6 and 9-10,

we're not called that officially.

9-0-4 called the Quarry GTS.

9-0-6 called the Quarry-6.

And the 9-10 called the Quarry-10.

So they stayed away from all that just for a legal battle.

But internally it had the designation of the 9-11, 9-0-1.

You don't wanna go against 10.

You'd probably do that to avoid another one.

So here's a part B.

You wanna piss off the French.

Here's a part B to that question.

So of course, originally named 9-0-1.

So they made some cars.

They made some cars.

Obviously as you know, that are 9-0-1.

How many of those cars are four made?

I hope they're all made.

I would have to look this up.

So if we take the secretary number, which is 20,

I'd say let's double it to 25, right?

25.

I'll say 40 steps.

Will you answer that?

I'm gonna say it was, I think it was a couple hundred.

Well you've been looking up on that.

No, I haven't.

I don't know this one.

I'm going with 50.

50.

I'm gonna say a couple hundred, 200.

Very smart guess there.

According to Porsche,

57 production cars left the factory as true 9-0-1s.

And for a long time, they were not valuable.

In fact, if you look at buyer's guides,

they told you to stay away from these early cars.

Those parts were so hard to find.

Just buy like a later, like a 69, long wheelbase.

All these Gremlins in them.

First year of, what's the first year?

Now everyone goes crazy if they have an early.

Even if it's not a 9-0-1,

just an early build 9-11 is like a treasure.

Oh, this next one will be fun.

I think these guys will know this one.

What is Thunderwunch?

That's like special wishes.

We can pretty much build whatever your heart's desire

if your pocketbook can afford it.

With that name, that's a German superhero from the 80s.

Thunderwunch.

Is it really?

It's not Voltron.

It's what happens when you grow up.

I think it's pretty cool to make up a character.

According to the factory website,

Thunderwunch special requests program

takes attention to detail to the next level

and helps you make your own Porsche dream come true.

No matter what year your car was built,

whether it's a new vehicle before delivery,

a vehicle you already own, or your classic Porsche.

Whether you want special designs and equipment

or maybe even a true one-off vehicle,

you can work together with the Thunderwunch team

to make your dreams come true.

I always say, have a very healthy bank accountant

at least seven digits.

And the perfect example of this car

is the Porsche Club Coupe

that Damon has up on the screen.

The classic Club Coupe was a perfect example

of what Thunderwunch can do.

They took a 99, 996, plain Jane, 99, 996

that needed a lot of help and transformed it

into a one-off dream car,

which had a GT3 engine, bubble top roof,

special paint.

The ultimate 996.

That's the greatest 996 of all time, of all time.

It is.

And then now Jerry Seinfeld owns it

because he won the auction.

Thank you very much, Mr. Seinfeld.

And I think Mr. Seinfeld did a great purchase.

Who can say they have the best 996 in the world?

And it's the factory build.

It's not a singer, it's not such a work.

It's more than the factory, though, isn't it?

Yeah, oh yeah.

It's the museum.

It's the museum, it's us.

Well, I mean, basically you have a designer,

in this case, Grant Larson,

at your disposal to help you spend your money.

So here's something he's never mentioned online

about that car.

Your role?

Your role.

Yeah, he called me up and said,

are you doing anything?

And I said, no.

So we went down to Porsche of...

Arlington.

Arlington, and found the car.

Yep.

But you didn't go down there to scoop the car up with me.

No, we went down to look at it, see if we could...

Did we try to start it?

Was it a 99?

Yeah, a 99, early 99.

It was dead.

They didn't even have the key.

And remember, they had it inspected

before you could take it.

What's that?

They had to get it inspected

before they could sell it to you.

No, it was...

They needed to find out if they could sell it

and if they could...

They couldn't even open the front lid to inspect it.

So I offered them a price

if they could at least inspect it or take it as is.

So they ended up not even wanting to deal with the car.

So we bought it as it.

Oh, okay.

Yep.

But yes, you did have a role in that.

So now it's on record.

Now it's on record.

Now it's on record, exactly.

You had plenty of opportunities and you just...

Where are you when the Civic wheels are stolen?

Yeah, exactly.

They were in the back of the wagon.

And I'm just now waiting before I put it on Facebook Marketplace.

Are you checking Facebook Marketplace

to see if the wheels can... Absolutely.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, every chance I get, I'm looking.

And I know all the ones that are available

in this area right now.

So I...

Like if a new one pops up, I'll know.

I'm also checking Craigslist.

For the thieves, I'm watching you, man, I'm watching.

But I don't care they stole it.

It doesn't bother me.

It doesn't bother me that they stole it.

I'm not... I didn't say it doesn't bother me.

I'm just saying.

You become like Lee and Neeson for Civic wheels.

I know where you live.

I will find you.

I have special skills.

You take my wheels, I'll drive that car out of there now.

I will find you.

Also, one of the wheels has...

Loane had recently rubbed up against a curb.

It didn't curb the wheel,

but curbed the sidewall of the tire.

So the one of the wheels also has that new,

very unique mark.

I think you need to inspect.

I need to invest in a set of curb wheelers.

Do they still make them?

Probably.

Jason, we are coming up on the hour.

We still have a lot of questions

that we want to continue to educate.

So quickly, what is Weissach and what is Flock?

Flock is flat for flat nose, right?

Flock bra, is that what you're talking about now?

Good guess, good guess.

And Weissach is where they do a lot of engineering

and special design.

Gary, it's the newer factory.

It's that beautiful kind of upside-down cone-shaped.

You're thinking of Leipzig.

I'm thinking of Leipzig.

It's good, good guess.

We know the Weissach's edition is very expensive.

It's very honest.

It's named the Weissach edition for a reason.

So Weissach is the home of Porsche R&D.

It is their famous test track.

It's not open to the public.

In fact, visitors, when they come there,

you have to turn in your cell phones

and you have to be escorted in.

Now, Flocked, I guarantee you most GT people

know what Flocked is.

It's a small village.

It happens to be part of the Weissach R&D facility

and Motorsport sits on that property.

So if you ever see some GT cars

with one, the license plate flocked

or they have a very special decal.

Somebody on the picture that Damon has up right now,

if you look to the bottom left,

that is, that's the Motorsports department.

That's like flock, if you will.

How do you spell that?

F-L-A-C-A-G.

It does mean flat.

And the top part is the R&D

and the cafeteria and everything,

but that's all fairly new.

They added onto it.

That's all the Motorsports.

Yep.

And that's where a lot of proud GT owners

will have decals and put it on the back of their car.

It says Made in Flock.

For the longest time, it was like the secret

because they would put in small letters

Made in Flock somewhere on the car,

but no one really paid attention to it.

Yeah, and then the marketing guys

decided they really promote it.

Exclusive.

It became no longer like an inside secret.

No.

All right, next one, man.

The world is flocked.

How many overall wins does Porsche have

at the 24 hours of Le Mans?

That's a hard one.

I wouldn't know that.

I like how they close their eyes

when they're thinking really hard.

16.

18.

It's close, close.

Porsche has 19 overall wins and 108 class wins.

First one in 1970 and the most recent in 2017.

And who knows when 20 will come now

that just pulled out the WEC.

Does that question, I guess what the question is,

what about the privateers?

I mean, usually at Le Mans, you'll have a private.

It includes, it includes Porsche, anything.

So like Patrick Dempsey's team podiums,

they get credit.

Sure, yeah.

Well, here's a better one.

Was in 2003 or 2004, maybe later in that.

Anyways, the 24 hours Daytona,

M-Side come out with a new class called Daytona Prototype.

And Porsche had entered a pseudo factory entry,

Ruby Tuesday, with the flat six.

These guys out of Texas used an engine,

a Cayenne engine that was built up by NASCAR shop.

They took a Cayenne engine and took all the NASCAR

knowledge he had and transformed this German V8

into this fire-breathing NASCAR engine,

put it in the Cayenne and put the motor

inside this Daytona prototype.

Porsche would not even let them put

the Porsche Crest on this car.

No.

And it said on the windshield, it said Porsche V8,

but not in the Porsche script.

And so basically they were like, we don't know you.

You didn't come in to the party with us.

And we're all with Ruby Tuesday and our flat six.

So the flat six breaks midway.

And suddenly they realized, oh,

that's just a-

Is it marketing or something?

We will let it put a crest on.

They may win this race.

So they all migrated over to say, hey, remember us?

I remember that,

because that was one of my early Daytona visits.

And that was the Action Express.

Action Express.

Action Express and-

The Alborb also was-

They actually ran a Porsche Panorama decal on the car.

Yes.

Did they win?

Well, not on the Action Express.

They ran that on the Ruby Tuesday car, I believe.

No.

I have a picture of me next to the Action Express car

with the Porsche Panorama decal.

I can't wait to look this up.

Did they win?

Oh yeah.

That car won.

And suddenly Porsche was advertising

on the Monday morning.

They won the 24 hours they had turned it on.

For me it was the 24 hours.

They took a street engine and-

Was how you saw them when you watched the TV afterwards.

You see them basically migrating over to-

The Porsche Motorsports started the whole time

supporting their GT cars and their prototypes.

But when the factory prototype failed,

they went to the-

Next best thing.

Who you gonna go home with tonight?

In this case, it was the Action Express.

Easy, Manny.

This next one I didn't know about.

This is kinda cool.

What's the code name for the Cayenne

during its development?

No clue.

Janice.

Nope.

Who is Janice, Gary?

The Colorado Project.

I didn't know that.

This was the internal code for the development project

that began in the 1990s.

Yes, who was it?

That would be the Florida Project.

You know what the code name for the Macan was?

I guess I should.

Oh, I think I know.

Was that, was that Cajun?

Yep, Cajun.

Cajun, yeah.

Cayenne Junior.

They sure did the Cajun.

All right.

Yep.

All right, I'm just gonna say the next one

was that you were taking a sip of drink here.

How closely related

is Porsche to Volkswagen?

Oh, Volkswagen owns Porsche now.

But, anything else?

Sounds like some weird family question.

Is it my third cousin I can marry or what?

You can answer it.

You know this very well, Manny.

Yes, you can, Gary.

You're in luck, Gary.

You know everything, Manny.

That is allowed in the state of Maryland.

First cousin's allowed in the state of Maryland.

It is.

You too.

These guys are what?

Not in West Virginia.

Is this what retired life is like?

Yeah, it is.

No, it just, it came up in conversation recently.

So essentially,

A conversation or you have it?

Essentially, the Porsche and PIEC families

have a huge ownership stake with Volkswagen.

So when Porsche was bought out by Volkswagen,

I didn't really worry about it

because it was like within the family.

Had GM bought it out,

I would have been very, very concerned.

But in this case, the PIEC,

because Professor Porsche has two children,

Ferry Porsche and Luisa, Luisa Marys, Anton PIEC,

and they have children and one of them is Ferdinand PIEC,

who becomes the head of Volkswagen eventually,

and among other things.

But up until 72, he worked for Porsche

and he ran the racing department

and was responsible for all the neat prototypes

from the 906 Solvay Fruit and the 91730.

And just a genius of a guy.

But they actually, because Professor Porsche designed the Beetle

and they got money, like a commission from every,

a royalty from every portion sold,

and that helped to keep the company afloat.

We're not every Volkswagen Beetle sold.

So yep, they have a big stake, financial stake,

and that company that holds that financial stake

for the two families is called Porsche Holding SC,

I believe, yeah.

But wait, how does that relate to your car, the 914?

Because wasn't that a Volkswagen Porsche when it first?

So that was a handshake deal with the CEO at the time,

Heinz Nordhoff and Ferry Porsche.

Nordhoff dies midway through development of the car.

The new guy that comes in says,

there's nothing written, we can't afford to do this,

this is too expensive, we'll sell you the bodies,

but it's gonna cost you a lot more

and it like just jacked the price way higher

than they thought.

And well, it was still a success

because they sold over 100,000 of them,

but that was a deal, that's why it's still to this day,

anything with the Volkswagen family

when they do partnerships, it's all within their family.

It's not like they're going to Yoda to do a deal,

they're staying with the family.

So when they talk about this new SUV coming out,

this junior McCann, everyone looks to you,

the Volkswagen or Audi as the basis

that they're probably gonna steal from

and build their own car because it's all within the family.

And 914s, what, 70 to 76, right?

There was not a 69.

It depends how you, so in Europe, they call it a 69.

69, okay.

In the United States, they do it,

I think by year of production,

we do it by registration or something like that.

We do like a year later than,

it's very frustrating when you're researching articles

because you have to see where the website

you're looking at, it's from because they're European

then like we call it a 73 RS, they call it a 72 RS.

So that's why the anniversary is always like

a year earlier than us, but we can celebrate for two years.

And 9146, just 70, right?

No, they went to 71.

Did they make a few?

Yes, and then 72, they came out to 916 prototypes.

Didn't Porsche do something with Mercedes?

They did build the...

500e, or E500e, yes, something like that.

They built it because the Mercedes didn't have a line

that was wide enough to, and in works one,

they had a line that was wide enough

for the Mercedes to be built,

and at the time Porsche needed

any kind of business they could get.

It was like your brother-in-law had to work

and he wanted to cut your lawn,

they were like, sure, I'll do anything you want,

I need money.

And they did an Audi wagon

with a Porsche motor.

RS, too.

Yeah, yeah.

And their engineering firm is still very much alive.

They don't get the glory,

but they are very involved with a lot of engineering.

Yeah, I think at one time,

I don't know what the percentage is now,

but the Porsche engineering and Porsche,

the banking side of their business

was way more the contributions

to the company's earnings.

Yes, the cars bring in money, obviously,

but their engineering and their banking business

is really what brings them the money.

Like Mike Mauer,

one of the previous guest we've had on here,

sent me a note after one of our podcast saying,

he thinks that the next flow of income

is gonna be probably of military contracts

or government contracts that Porsche is gonna be taking on

that obviously won't make the front pages of the car stuff,

but stuff that, you know, it's like Amazon,

they don't make their majority of income isn't

from the retail side,

but it's the government contract.

Data centers, data centers.

Data centers, oh yeah.

All right.

They did work with Harley too.

Oh, they did?

V-Rod.

Yeah, V-Rod.

That's why V-Rod is dad and not a fat boy.

Yes.

You're not a fat boy anymore.

No, that's the fat boy on the V-Rod.

Then look like Arnold Schwarzenegger.

When that movie came out,

everybody's brother bought a fat boy.

Exactly.

All right, let's switch gears to modern day cars.

That's a little hint for you.

Which Porsche made for the street use

has the most horsepower and how much?

I think it's easy to guess what car it is,

but how much horsepower?

Probably a GT2 RS, it's my guess, or three RS.

Nope.

I'm gonna, what was that kind of shooting break

purple Panamera that just killed it on the Nurburgring?

You're getting closer.

Okay.

Manny actually drove this one, Manny.

Yeah.

Is it the Panamera GT or something?

The one you had drove that next to me?

This does have no gasoline in it.

Wow, this is surprising.

It is, yeah.

Wow.

No gasoline, that's the reason why I don't care.

Who cares?

The 2024.

Look at Paul Goddell's dark years,

they got to get to Rome.

No.

Who cares about ENVYs?

It's purple, there it is.

I can see how you responded to your T-trip back in the day.

And the pit trip in this part.

Who cares about this?

You're stupid.

I don't need to know this, your mom.

I don't need to know this one.

Math isn't important.

It's the Taikon turbo GT of the Weissach package.

1,019 horsepower.

Yeah.

Well, all right.

Here's another one.

This is from the 70s of why did Porsche call their 911

with the removable top, the Targa?

Named after the race?

Yeah, Targa, Florida.

Florida?

Florida.

Very good.

Yes.

But also, do you know why they came up with the Targa?

That's a nice trivia point.

They thought that convertibles would be outlawed,

possibly in the US.

Unsafe.

They were.

In 76 was the last El Dorado.

Is that the last convertible?

75, 76.

Supposedly the last.

You know how you are with electric cars?

I'm like that with American cars.

Please look at the track here.

Maybe it started to doze off.

Yes.

No, yes.

Because convertibles were, at the time,

being perceived as being unsafe.

So this was their solution, is creating a safety bar.

Weren't they outlawed for a while?

I mean, I don't think you could produce convertibles.

I don't know if they're technically outlawed.

With all the safety regulations, it

wasn't worth it money-wise to be

able to make a convertible that people would

buy within a certain price range.

I think mid-80s.

But Mercedes SLs are not stopped being produced.

Maybe American cars.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

Because when the LeBaron came out, not LeBaron, the K-cars.

K-cars, yeah.

That was like an 80, wasn't it?

79.

And Lord knows they're not looking

any safer than the previous K-cars.

That's Roxanne had that when I started dating her,

was a K-car convertible.

Although, if you were to find a original mint K-car today,

that would be kind of cool.

So the K-car convertible.

I don't think so.

I spend my budget on something else, but a T-seron.

Chrysler didn't produce the convertible.

I think they sent it out to like American sunroof

culture, ASC.

Yeah, exactly.

All right.

What is PTS and Renbo?

Paint the sample.

Yes.

You take Renbo.

Renbo is the cool website where we can research

Porsche color history.

And it shows like a number of buckets that you know

who owns it.

One to five cans, right?

Yes, yes.

Krylon?

Krylon and Renbo.

The Porsche Club of America.

Oh, yeah.

That's right, that's right.

No, it's so great.

It's a great time to look at colors on the original cars

and how people have applied different colors.

Manny and I don't see those colors.

Oh, that's true.

Yeah, the two colorblind probably don't hang out.

I see the colors.

I don't see the colors.

Check out Renbo.org.

Over 14,000 photos uploaded, but you

can check all the unique colors.

And we have paint codes if it's available.

And also, we rate them on a one to five paint can.

And the more paint cans, the more rare it is.

And I used this the other day because on the previous podcast,

you had the question about the 996 40th edition.

What color it was.

Yeah.

But then it was driving me nuts

because I was like, there's another 996

that was a special edition.

Yeah, it was the millennium.

And remember what color that was?

Vesuvio?

No, I don't think so.

I think it was like, maybe you should go in red.

I mean, the 40th anniversary was GT Silver.

GT Silver, but the millennium one

was another interesting color.

Do you know what you're asking?

I'm asking.

I went to go, but I can't remember the name.

It's not Vesuvius.

No.

And isn't the only other?

What year is it?

It should be 2000 because it was the millennium edition.

It came with chrome wheels.

They only made 2000 of them.

Kind of a, it came with a.

I know it's a little promo flare,

but it was something like that, I think.

But it's one of those other colors

when you see it in the light.

It's different.

Are you seeing it up here?

I do not.

Probably better off just googling.

Yeah.

The millennium edition 911 and it would come up, but.

They've only been a few cars.

There's Vesuvio.

Yeah, it's not Vesuvio.

I'm pretty sure it's not Vesuvio,

but it's not Violet.

Anyways, so it's interesting.

So I, you know, Friday I went,

or Thursday I went to Rim renewed.

Oh yeah.

My now three month quest of trying to get my wheels

to match Club Laos on my 964.

And so I went to see Sam

and I brought him my toy car of the Club Coupe.

And cause he matched a Porsche Swatch,

but the Porsche Swatch is not Club Laos,

even though it says Club Laos.

He matched a Swatch identically.

And I'm like, Sam, I can't blame you

cause you didn't match it,

but that's not Club Laos.

I can't believe they don't have a true Club Laos

Swatch.

And so he said,

if you give me something metal,

I can do it.

I said, I got a model.

He goes out of work.

So as soon as I got there,

he goes, come back with me

if we're going to do this right now.

And it came out with,

oh shoot, what's that blue color?

The, it couldn't find Club Laos.

Did he paint it or powder coat?

Powder coat.

Did they come out as voodoo?

No, no, not voodoo.

What's the latest blue?

Shark blue?

Nope, nope.

Mexican blue?

What's the name?

Lugano blue.

No, very good, Dean.

Green in my mind.

Lugano blue, that's what the computer said.

It said use that,

but then take out a couple things

and add a couple things

and you'll have Club Laos.

Oh wow.

I thought it was very interesting.

It's a little bit of red,

a little bit of yellow.

It looks for the closest color

and then it tells you to modify.

So he can do colors in powder coat?

Cause I didn't think he could.

He was only limited,

I thought there was limited colors

when you powder coat.

Powder coat or paint?

Powder coat.

Powder coat, really?

You didn't custom mix powder coat colors?

You didn't tell me that one.

There are a ton of color options for powder coating.

I don't know how do they do custom colors, but you know.

He said it was a brand fairly new system

so from the last time I was there

like a month and a half ago and yeah.

That's pretty cool.

They go to Lugano and then change a couple things so.

There's a place in Crofton that still paints.

Oh.

I think the other place

canada uses paints.

Paints, yeah.

Alloy wheeler?

Yeah.

I think they're the ones that fix my Z3 wheel

which I should have told Gennady.

Just unbend it.

Yeah.

You don't have to finish it

cause now I got one beautiful looking wheel

and three terrible ones.

That's how I ended up with two nice ones in the rear.

I had to get both of them.

All right, and one last question here.

In the Porsche world, what does RS stand for?

Rensport.

Yes.

But also in the early days

what did RS stand for?

I mean, the homologation, not as the event.

Right, are you thinking about the event

or are you thinking about the application in racing?

I think it's racing.

This is the racing team.

This is made for the track, not for street use.

Any idea when the RS sort of was used on a car?

What was it first used on a car?

The RS America?

No, it would have been like the late 50s in the RS Spider.

RS Spider.

Oh, cool.

Long before my time.

Yeah, I remember that.

Didn't they make a Boxster that was a nod to that?

Yes.

RS 60.

RS 60, yeah.

And RS America.

Wow, you guys did pretty well.

Pretty well, hopefully.

Please be kind in the comments if we messed up this video.

I hope you enjoyed that.

Now you've got more than 20 Porsche factoids

that you can be aware of

and be considered the Porsche expert that's here.

There's so much more, I'm sure.

But there's so much more.

I would love to hear caught in the comments

anyone that has what they think is a need to know trivia,

which is there's so much I could have written

a hundred questions, but I'm always learning

and I love when we either hear a missed debunked

or the real story about why they did certain things.

But Manny is the undisputed Porsche.

No, that's Nathan.

Nathan's off, yeah.

Nathan's pretty good to have a natural, Nathan's really good.

So you remember what I said

what the N-spec meant on their tires?

And I remember you.

Never agreed?

Yeah, but you didn't know it at the time.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's pretty interesting.

Yeah.

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And in the news, we've got two items here.

The first one's not the most popular one

and that's talking about tariffs.

Price is going up.

Oh, let me call my...

Today.

Is it today?

Oh, I'm saying today.

Who knows what happens tomorrow?

It's good to have Supreme Court does hear this.

Yeah, so it's hard to keep track

of how many times there's price hikes

because Porsche just did price hikes

and now they've announced that there's gonna be

more price hikes.

Yeah, and not only the cars,

like I know our friends over at parts

on parts and classic parts.

And the one that's really been hit very hard is

with a Porsche design watches

because they've got like a 30% tariff on stuff

that's coming from Switzerland.

I didn't realize I was investing in watches

when I bought one now that the money's changed.

I know, yeah, exactly.

I think I told you the PCCB rotors went from a set of four

from 20,000 to 30,000.

To 30,000.

Wow.

So they are...

Scary.

So the first round was between 2.3% and 3% increase

and which jumped the prices up on average

between $5,000 to $3,300.

And now the next round is gonna be even higher.

It's gonna cost Porsche more than $813 million this year.

And the thing is, yes, everyone does not like a price hike

but please understand that Porsche is not passing on

the total costs to...

So it could be worse.

It could be worse.

I think they're trying to absorb as much as they can

and I guess creating efficiencies and reducing costs.

And it's variable too

because it's not like everything from Porsche

has a 5% tariff.

They have to fill all this paperwork

out of where the parts come from.

And I remember when we were in Atlanta

they were seeing what a nightmare it is for accounting

because they've got to submit how much of this car

is gonna be at this tariff rate,

how much of this tariff rate.

I wonder internally if Porsche is shifting production

to places that are gonna try to hit less tariffs

than other places.

But the problem is it's a moving target.

Yes.

Right?

Oh yeah.

So like figured out today, but tomorrow might be different.

The factory doesn't just grow over an 80 or...

No.

You can't just hook it up to a trailer and move it.

Well, just a personal plug coming

from my previous background.

I highly would welcome Porsche to onshore

some manufacturing capabilities here in the States.

That would be pretty cool.

BMW is looking...

Even if they wanted to, it wouldn't be quick.

That's the thing.

I mean, BMW looks really smart right now

with having Spartans, but...

Haspartenburg, yeah.

And Mercedes too.

We'd love to have them here.

We go tour them in...

I don't know.

In other factories.

Something about having been built in Germany.

Although the Cayenne is built in Slovakia,

so that's not built in...

Just build parts here with the parts that,

the next news item was kind of a...

You probably saw this on social media

because it was a person hanging out the front of a Boxster.

Yeah, so they turned to 17 Boxster.

I think of Damon because he's always the one

who's in the back of the Cayenne.

Yeah, we do this just without all the fancy equipment.

No, we don't.

We're here.

No, we don't.

Just kidding.

You wish.

I'm looking at the picture here.

Damon, I could see you doing this.

Yeah, well, I would, but not with PCA

because I know that people are watching

and that would reflect very badly on the club.

But what we do do is we have harnesses

and sometimes at very slow speeds,

we do it in the back of an SUV or something.

But so if we're listening,

this is a 17 Boxster with the front hood removed

and the photographer wearing a helmet strapped in

but is in the trunk area or front area

with a camera taking pictures,

which I'm sure you've got to be some amazing shots.

Yeah.

It's got to be the ultimate place to take a photo,

moving photo of any car because you get low

and you're in front of the car

that you were taking photos from.

Yeah, especially the one they're shooting right there,

which is...

Only electric cars or mid-engine cars can do that.

That's so cool.

Very cool.

Something that...

Well, you could do it in a 911.

It's not deep enough.

And these are the...

True, you could do it in a 911.

It doesn't have to be mid-engine.

Just not front engine.

And so the team of nine apprentices at Leipzig

that built the...

Converted this Boxster S into a camera car.

So hopefully we see that in the States.

That would be pretty cool to see

that the next Rennsport driving around

and would they alpha rides?

And I think those alpha rides,

that's certainly where the wave are.

How about the parking lot later?

We just test this thing out.

That's funny.

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I hope you're a little bit brighter.

Learned a little bit of something

and thank you for sharing all of your thoughts.

Great seeing you.

And I know we always joke around

and poke fun at you.

And that's what we do.

But do you take it all off me?

Just you.

Well, I haven't had the opportunity

to really make fun of Gary

because there's so much fodder with you, so.

And you take it so well.

And hey, thanks for the podcast.

Like when I was commuting in every day,

I'd listen to the podcast on the Metro

or around the house doing chores.

So thanks for the content.

I'm looking at all three of you and the whole team.

It's enjoyable.

I mean, this is pretty nerdy stuff that we're into.

I had somebody ask me, are you limited?

Is there rules that say you have to limit to an hour?

He goes, because it'd be great if you guys were two hours.

And I'm like, I don't think we have two hours worth

of talking that we could have.

I think we do.

But to do it on a regular basis would be tough.

I do have a go back.

Okay, so going with this idea of on-shoring some stuff.

What I would love is if Porsche

with some apprentice program or whatnot

would start doing a 996, 997 engine exchange program.

They could drop off an old engine.

That's not the first I've heard that.

Do it here in the States.

You could train people up and it would change our world

because it's so hard for me and others

in a younger generation to get into a 911.

We can't buy a used 911.

It's too expensive.

You'd drive a 996 turbo.

Right, that's close to being an antique.

But it's a Metzger motor.

It's a Metzger motor, it doesn't have the message on it.

Yeah, exactly.

But I would love if you could work.

Like a core exchange program

that's reasonably priced.

Yes, and we would sign whatever.

We would save a lot of 996s that are...

And there's hundreds of them in this region

that would be up and running happily.

I mean, there is a short block program, I think.

Yeah, but do it here to do it in the States.

You could take from one to the other.

Because usually, if it is and if it happened to be

an IMS issue, it's the bottom.

The best one I saw that did that in all seriousness

was, and I don't know if they'll do it,

but when Spec Mazda Miata started coming out,

Mazda really embraced it.

And if you were a member of SCCA and racing,

you could be a part of this program

and have, like you said, great engine.

And for Spec, first gen Miata, it was really cheap.

Yeah, they still have that, actually.

Porsche should do that, I think, at the lower level,

because if I autocross my daily driver once on Mazda 3,

I get discounts on parts if I can prove it.

For example.

Yeah, it's real.

If you take it in motorsport and you can prove it,

for example, Mazda will give you discounts on parts

so you can keep it running in motorsport.

That would be really cool, but Porsche did that.

I remember that for the longest time,

Porsche refused to say that the Boxster Cayman

was a race car.

I mean, to the point when Porsche Motorsport

would come out to sea-bring for the club race,

they could not even look at any kind of Cayman race car,

which there was a lot of,

because this was a grassroots motorsport,

but they couldn't even be seen looking at the engine

of a Cayman race car until they built their own Cayman,

not Spec Cayman.

The club sport.

And then suddenly they came, but they would always say

they came in a Boxster and not race cars.

So I think they would have a long way.

I would love nothing more like this.

Looks like a duck.

Sounds like a duck.

Driven a Boxster.

I mean, that was a race car.

Balanced like a duck.

Spec Boxster to have a crate engine with a list like Mazda

has encouraged people to actually race the cars.

And we know how relatively easy they are to pull out

the complete engine and unplug the engine.

It's a social event.

It's wonderful.

I mean, please, please Porsche, if you're listening,

explore it.

We heard it before.

Your fan base is asking.

We've heard it.

And do it here in the States.

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