Preparing a Vehicle for Winter, Gas Milage Problems, Starter Issues

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Here it is another Saturday in CCO Land. This is the 4th of October and back talking cars, trucks, vans, and the problems you may be having with yours and before you bring in your vehicle for service.

You might want to know what could be wrong with it. Well, there's a way to solve that. At least get more information.

Nick Stalfel from Lloyd's Automotive is back with us. Nick, good morning. Welcome back.

Good morning. Thank you. As you know, my son and I went out west for a long weekend and had a blast. We went to San Diego and caught a baseball game, saw an air show.

He even tried surfing. So it was quite the adventure, I can tell you.

Some great memories there. Boy, you won't regret that for sure. Well, welcome back. Sounds like you had a great time.

Well, Nick, as usual, our buddy Dan was filling in for Nick last week. And as you know, Nick, Dan did a pretty fair job.

He's the master. We both know that.

He's good. But it's good to have you back. And let's invite our listeners to join in if you have any issues with your vehicle.

Or maybe you just want to ask a mechanical question. Whatever the case may be, Nick is an ASC certified technician.

But he runs the joint at Lloyd's Automotive on the beautiful Grand Avenue in St. Paul.

And a great place. Always enjoy my visit there, even if I have to get my car repaired. There's the place to go.

But let's give the phone number, which is also the text number. If you want to call and chat with Nick, great.

If it's easier for you to send your questions via text, here is the one number for either 6514619226.

Nick, I'm looking at the forecast and I hear Al saying it's going to be 9091 or so today.

And still warm again tomorrow than the change. But folks are already thinking, I think, ahead of winter, maybe not only car storage.

But the question basically, after I waved through a few sentences, is what can you do to get your vehicle ready for winter?

I know we're jumping ahead with the hot weather today, but I think it's a good question.

What kind of advice, what are some things we could do ahead of the game?

Well, this is absolutely the time of the year to get that vehicle in. You know, if you're old enough, like some of us,

remember we got 30 inches of snow on Halloween here, some years back. So it can happen.

So it's still a few weeks away at a minimum, but you need to get on somebody's schedule.

Those tires, the suspension, the brakes, you know, we want to check the wiper blades.

We want to check the cooling system. You just want to make sure that in the event that the weather does change quickly,

you're not behind the game because at that point, everybody's schedule is past full.

So this is the time to get on the schedule, make the appointment, say I just want to get ready for what's coming next.

You know, replace the tires, rotate the tires, a lot of variables there.

But I think it's fair to say get the car in, give it a good once over before the weather does turn on us.

You know, I think it came about with a question when Dan was visiting last week.

The air conditioner, even in the wintertime, can be pretty useful, can it not?

Absolutely. What happens when you put the defrost on, even though you have it on hot heat, you know,

it still turns the compressor to dry the air, so it's blowing the dry air on the windshield to clear it,

so it's not all fogged up. We all hop in our car and get it running and all that, you know,

from us breathing in any, like our wet boots or whatever,

all that moisture will kind of kind of make that front windshield kind of foggy.

Well, the compressor is drying the air as it's circulating through

and it gets that windshield nice and clear for you, so it definitely has an effect on how well the defrost works.

How has, let's see if I can read this right, how has the mechanics job changed

since hybrid and electric vehicles came on the scene? That's a good question.

It is a good question, and I would say hybrids have been around longer than we realize,

and electric vehicles are very similar. I mean, the batteries are bigger,

the electric motors are larger, obviously, but for the most part, if you've been doing it long enough,

you've gotten a taste of it, you've gotten a feel for it, you've had some training on it,

and, you know, more sensors, more components that have, you know, funny little quirks about them,

but for the most part, it's, you know, kind of going about our business.

You know, we went from, you know, going way back carburetors to fuel injection,

you know, all this electronics, all the computer controlled items, you know,

we have electric power steering. I mean, there's a lot of things that have evolved with vehicles

and we keep our folks up on training, which kind of helps them keep ahead of the curve there,

so when it does come into the shop, we're prepared.

And again, we talk about this from time to time, but when you and your technicians

have to kind of re-qualify, or whatever the term may be, to get that master technician status,

how often is that done? Every few years or what?

Yeah, the certifications every five years, and you've got to keep on top of them,

which I think might be due.

I'm sorry to bring that up.

I don't do well sitting for long, so, you know, they have all these different tests,

and it was, well, to me, I would take them all at once, but they don't like that.

But every five years, you know, they break them down into different categories.

We're very proud that all of our technicians are master technicians.

You know, it speaks not necessarily their complete ability,

but the seriousness of that considered a career.

It's not just a job.

And everyone we have working with us, we want to work together until they retire.

You know, we participate in retirement.

We want them to be able to save money, so their families can have a wonderful life

as they raise their children's, and also as they exit their working career,

they get a wonderful retirement to do the things that they deserve.

So, you know, the certifications, there's a little piece of it,

but I think it's a good commitment on our staff to show that, you know,

they want to be part of an important team.

Yeah, it's a good gig.

It's really a good job.

I mean, like you said, the guys, and I'm sure, I mean, you've had people

hanging out to work with Lloyds for many years, long-term people.

Well, yeah, Suds is over 20 years.

Jim's getting close.

Matt's over 20 years.

Chris has got to be pushing 15.

Tim's been there for, you know, probably 20.

I mean, you don't realize how fast it goes, and then you look at our Facebook feed

and you see a picture of me 20 years ago, like there's no gray and I was skinny.

What happened?

Tell me about it.

I know that.

I can relate to that.

Call us or text us with any kind of a car care question you may have.

It's 6514619226.

Here's one for you that just came in.

In a 1976 Corvette, oh my.

How do we know if the torque converter is going bad?

That's a fair question.

Just for the record, zero is born, so I don't have to know.

I would say if it's starting to chatter, if it's, you know, the slipping thing,

I don't know because that could be anything, you know, low pump pressure,

clutches could be worn.

You know, that's a tough question.

I guess I'd have to do a little research and probably drive the vehicle,

try to get a feel for it.

I don't have a definite answer there.

Yeah, I would probably check some forums, check around town, you know,

maybe start researching the folks that still work on that vintage vehicle

and it's getting a little bit older.

And, you know, they start asking some questions, you know,

there's not too many car shows left, obviously the seasons are changing,

but sometimes there's these Friday night meetups,

find one of those, talk to those folks.

There's resources out there.

I'm just at this point probably not the right person to answer that.

Well, there are so many resources these days.

When is the last time you saw a carbureted vehicle?

There's one there right now.

Is there really?

It's not what we do, you know, and we, to be honest,

we turn most of that work away because we're just not efficient at it,

you know, I'm proficient at it.

We don't, most of the guys haven't seen that stuff since school at all,

but there's still a few of those regular customers

that bring in those vehicles and longer that I've worked there

and you're not going to turn them away because they're kind of,

I guess you could say, grandfathered in.

Sure.

And we work through it, we work around it, you know,

we put our heads together, we can figure just about anything.

You know, and the biggest issue is finding the pieces, you know,

so if there's something with an accelerator pump or something with,

Oh, sure.

One of the valves or the float's gone bad in the carburetor,

finding that replacement piece can be a little difficult.

Obviously, online you can find lots of stuff,

but I can also tell you from experience

the one-size-fits-alls don't always work right.

So we're very careful not to dig into that,

so it's not what we do, we're not taking in any more of that kind of business.

There's a few still out there that come in simply because they always have,

and like I said, they're part of the family,

so we're not going to turn them away, but you know, you get online,

you know, go to those meetups, find some folks out there,

there's folks out there that still work on them,

they're still very, very good at working on them.

It just kind of passed what we do at Lloyd's.

All right.

If you want to ask the mechanic any kind of a car care question,

you don't have to be a motor head or gear head to do so.

Nothing technical, just for fun.

Or maybe you do have some issues with your car, your truck, your van.

You want to know what could be wrong.

Ask Nick, call it in, text it in.

Here's our number for either 6514619226.

From News Talk 830W, CCO, stay with us.

And welcome back to CCO's Car Care Show.

We're here thanks to Nick Stalfel from Lloyd's Automotive.

Every Saturday, right after the 7 o'clock news break,

we're going to ask the mechanic any kind of a question you want at 6514619226.

But keep in mind, we always like to say this.

I ask that question sooner rather than later.

Nick takes his leave about 7.45 or so, of course, by so quickly.

So call us or text us with any kind of a car care question you may have.

Let's go to the phones.

Randy is checking in from Manoka this morning.

Randy, good morning.

What is your question for Nick?

Hello, Randy.

Testing.

One, two, three.

Randy, are you with us?

Hmm.

I guess Randy's not with us.

Well, we can help him with his car, but I'm not sure I can do much with his phone.

With his phone.

Maybe it's just a technical glick.

We'll hang in there in the meantime.

Are you there, Randy?

No.

Randy's not with us.

Well, you call back, Randy, if there's some connection.

I was looking at a text.

Okay, I'm reading it as it's coming in.

I call Lloyd's Automotive a few days ago for some advice on my power steering.

Awesome advice.

You do that from time to time, don't you?

You always offer the listener.

Just call with a question at Lloyd's, right?

Yeah.

And I know taking your vehicle and it can be intimidating and cars have got more complicated

and, you know, you don't have to know.

You don't.

You just have to share what you're experiencing to the best detail that you can,

which can be hard to get people to do also.

I don't have any time to say, you know, get a little no pad in your vehicle.

You're experiencing some sort of problem or concern.

Write it down.

The conditions, the first driver of the day,

any of those little details really help not just us,

but any shop mechanic dealership get to the bottom of the problem.

So if you have a question like, hey, here's what I'm thinking.

Here's what I'm feeling.

How can you help me?

We can walk through it with you and explain what our point of view is.

Because when you do bring that vehicle in wherever it is,

that information is critical to us figuring out what's happening quicker.

Which does save you money.

The more time we spend, the more it costs.

So anything you can do to help, we greatly appreciate.

Absolutely.

The more information, the better.

By the way, for folks that maybe need help,

where are you guys located?

And again, give us a quick info about that.

Yeah.

Like you said earlier, we're in St. Paul on Grand Avenue.

Our planters up front are about at their peak.

You know, this nice extended summer has really allowed them to really bang their massive.

So they probably have a couple more weeks before they're gone.

But around Grand Avenue, which is 982 Grand Avenue in the corner of Grand and Chatsworth,

stop and say hi.

It's a beautiful, it's cooler this week, but it's seasonable.

So it'll be a nice day for a walk.

If you have a question, like you said, you can always call us.

You can reach us at 651-228-1316.

And if you want to check out our website, I'd appreciate that,

which is loyinsautomotive.net.

We'll get you that info before Nick leaves us,

which is about 745 or so.

So call us at Texas, any kind of a car care question,

651-4619-226.

Back to the phones.

Clem's calling in from Red Wing.

Love that city.

Clem, good morning.

What's your question for Nick?

Good morning and thanks for taking my call.

Say, I've got an older Lincoln.

That happens to be a 2005 LS.

And it, the alarm, the car's locked,

and the car can be sitting there with no noise around,

the alarm just takes off.

Maybe only for about 15 seconds or so when it stops,

and I might go all day, and it's fine.

And then I walk by the car, or I'm in the shop,

and the alarm takes off.

Anything you can help me with that.

I'll hang up and listen.

Well, I believe there's something called the GEM module,

which might process some of those different door switches.

If a door switch in a latch or out of sequence,

a lot of little things like you mentioned,

the vehicle's a little bit older.

Some of these levers are a bit worn.

Some of these sensor resets are a little bit worn.

The difficult part is going to be trying to figure out

which one, you know, new vehicles.

There's computers in pretty much every system,

and there's fault codes for every single component.

This is a little bit older.

It's going to require a voltmeter in some time.

You know, one thing I would say, you know,

I wonder if we ever notice the door jar light on,

or if you can try to see, you know,

if the alarm is going off, if you open or close the door,

lock or unlock the door,

if anything kind of a ritual can make a change.

So, you know, back to what I had said earlier,

you know, you get that notepad and say,

hey, I noticed it was going off.

I go out and I exercise the driver's door,

the passenger's door, or the door lock.

You know, if it has an electronic lock

or if it's the key lock.

You know, all these little different things

that you can try,

and if that can make the situation change,

make note of it,

because that gives us a clue where we can start.

So when the alarm's going off

and you do something with a particular door,

we know that maybe it's constricted in that area.

Maybe there's some wiring that's damaged.

You know, there's a lot of little things

that happen to vehicles as they age,

you know, or that time of the year

where some of the critters start making their way in

and start nibbling on wiring

and make nests in different places.

So, this type of vehicle is going to take some patience,

some time, a voltmeter, wiring diagram,

and you know, the best hope is that the car will act up

while someone's looking at it

so therefore they can pinpoint what it is.

Very good.

Lots of calls coming in this morning.

Nice to hear people's voices.

Randy from Monoca is back.

Randy, good morning.

What's the question for Nick?

Morning, gentlemen.

I've got a 2025 GMC terrain I've had of the year.

We've been averaging 15-6 or something on the trip meter.

The last couple trips,

Rainer, Duluth, or whatever I said,

my trip meter,

and I'm down to 10-6 to 10-8.

I'm buying gas at the same place

and I don't know should I just bring it in

or I'm not sure what I should do

because it dropped 25%.

Yeah, that definitely is not right.

I wonder if it's not and how it's reading.

Here's what I would like to ask you to do

is let the tank get low on fuel,

fill it up, write down your mileage,

drive it, a tank of fuel,

refill it, write down your mileage again,

figure out how many gallons you use

and the actual miles that you drove.

I understand the car is doing the math,

but maybe there's something wrong

with how the car is doing the math.

If the car was using that much more fuel

on the same drive cycle,

the check engine would be on.

There would be something noticeably wrong with the vehicle.

It can't run on that much more fuel

without something being wrong.

If something was wrong,

the warning indicators would be illuminated.

I think the first thing you can do

is get actual math written down.

If it is getting 10 miles to the gallon truly,

you can take this into the dealership

and say, hey, I filled it with this mileage.

I refilled it with this mileage.

These are the gallons I put in it.

Here's my receipt.

Here's my fuel economy.

What's going on versus starting all over?

You've already done that first step or two to help them.

If you come to find out it's like 18 like you have been getting,

there's something wrong with the software

that it's not calculating correctly.

That's more likely my path, I think, you're headed,

but I think you need to get actual miles

and actual gallons written down

to figure out truly what it is.

I want to alert Connie and Victor on the phone.

Stay where you are.

We're just going to take a break for the forecast

and be right back with more car talks.

Connie and Victor hang in there.

I was thinking about Randy's question.

Randy's calling in from Anoka

where a million years ago I took my driver's test,

my road test, and I did pass, by the way, surprisingly.

But the vehicle I drove was a buddy of mine.

He lent it to me for that.

It was, and Bob lent me, his Corvair.

Ralph Nader's unsafe at any speed car.

And I want to tell you that thing turned on a dime.

Just when I saw the word in Anoka,

so were the roads paved yet out there?

Yes, yeah.

Well, it was kind of rutted because of these stage coaches.

I was going to say.

All right, Nick, you hang on.

We'll see if we can get you back here.

Oh, we have technical difficulties.

We lost Nick.

No, you stay right there, Nick.

We'll have a look.

Connie and Victor, we'll get to your calls

right after the weather.

Here on News Talk 830 WCCO.

And welcome back to CCO's Car Care Show.

Coming along here along with Nick Stoffel,

ASE certified technician from Lloyd's Automotive in St. Paul.

Nick, we've got some callers and some textures

we want to pick up on, too, in a moment.

Connie is first up here calling from St. Paul.

Hi, Connie.

Thanks for waiting.

What's your question?

I have a quick question.

Thank you both for CCO, you, Denny,

and Nick for having this.

It's a wonderful thing.

I listened to it as an older woman.

Thank you.

I have a 2012 Chevy Impala.

When I was coming home from my daughter's last night,

and I started the car, and then all of a sudden,

I think it's the alternator that started it

when blank on the screen.

I couldn't put it in park or anything.

And then I tried to restart it again

and started it up, and it went,

but luckily I got home.

So is this a start of a starter going out

or an alternator or whatever they are?

Well, so the starter is the little motor

that spins the engine to get it going.

Depending, like I don't want to say yes,

replace the starter without having to experience that.

So what I would ask of you is,

just kind of plan your day and your next few days carefully.

When you go out to start the vehicle,

make note of what's happening.

Is it just a click?

Is it spinning?

Is it a bunch of clicks?

And what you do differently to get it to start

after you try again.

So therefore, when you bring the vehicle into your shop,

they can hopefully experience the same problem.

If it happened last night

and it doesn't happen for a week,

I start to think maybe it was a one-off,

which can happen, keep in mind.

But just for the next few days,

I'd be very careful of my plans.

Just make sure you don't end up somewhere where you're stuck.

And if it seems to be working fine,

you can get some more confidence than maybe,

like I said, maybe it's just a one-off situation.

Very good.

Connie, thanks for your comments.

Appreciate you listening.

Of course.

Victor calling in from Dayton, I believe.

Maybe Victor is still there.

I hope you had your patient.

Thank you, Victor.

What's your question?

Say, this is a vehicle that's been set in a couple years.

We took a pull the distributor out,

took a electric drill.

I got 40 PSI,

put it back in again as a pre-oil,

the pre-oil engine.

And then I was tired,

broke the off, put it off.

Where is the pressure relief going?

That's built.

Pressure relief up on the oil

is probably part of the pump.

But if you spun the, you took the distributor out,

put a drill there and primed it all,

I would think that should be fine.

Maybe a little bit of starting fluid down the carbure

into the intake to get the thing fired up.

But if it's not starting at that point,

the three things you need to make an engine run,

it's air fuel and spark.

Maybe that distributor,

did it get back in the right spot?

Is the timing correct?

There's a couple different variables

you probably need to look a little further into.

Nick, if I had text listeners

sent this in 2016 Jeep Cherokee,

they were told they have a small crack

in one of the brake calipers.

Question is, is it a, quote,

must repair that comes from Emma in Wyoming?

A small crack in a brake caliper.

If a brake caliper is cracked,

yes, you have to get that replaced immediately

because that's the whole hydraulic unit

that applies those brakes.

I'm not sure that she's hearing that correctly.

I'm thinking they're telling us

a crack in the brake hoses,

which are also equally important.

You know, they're aligned hose

and it's under a tremendous amount of pressure

when we apply those brakes.

You know, the hydraulic system is very critical

and you don't want anything to

leak, burst, brake, crack,

because that will affect your braking immediately.

So I would say, depending to,

you know, maybe get a clarification

on what you're being told for sure,

and then at that point I would say,

depending on what it is, ask.

You know, ask her the second opinion,

but usually with brakes,

if that's something you want to put on,

you need to stop.

Safety, absolutely.

Let's grab another phone call.

Roger, is this my reading correct?

Calling from Tennessee.

Roger, are you in Tennessee?

Yes, I am.

Well, what part of Tennessee?

I live about a half hour north of Nashville

in a city called White House.

Outstanding.

Well, thanks for calling in

to CCO Radio in Minnesota this morning.

Roger, what can we do for you?

Yes, I have a 2020 Ford Edge

2.0 turbocharged,

and every time I start it up,

it hesitates as I journey on the road

for maybe five minutes,

and after that it all clears up,

and I don't have any much problem with it

for the rest of the time,

but it's getting frustrating every time

you send it, it hesitates.

I didn't know if there was some solution to that.

Yeah, you know, Fords aren't always good at setting codes

if there's a misfire.

I wonder if there's not something doing that warm-up

where the fuel, air mixture,

a spark plug is a bit worn,

or a coil is a bit stressed

that you have a slight misfire on one of those cylinders.

There might be a way that somebody can connect

an OE level scan to and watch that data

to see what's going on on all four cylinders.

I mean, if something's not working properly,

creating that hesitation,

I think you'd see the difference

between the two cylinders.

And then at that point, once we know,

is it air-fueled and spark-like?

I just mentioned the last caller.

So I think the first thing we need to do

is isolate which cylinder it is.

Good information, we know it's on a startup.

It's a cold engine, so what's different at that point?

Well, maybe the program,

it isn't fully in the closed loop.

You know, some different strategies

at different drive cycles.

So I would say get the vehicle to the shop,

let them have it overnight,

and now connect the scan to drive it,

experience that hesitation,

look at all four cylinders,

and see which one is misbehaving.

Always fun to get calls or texts

from out of state.

Thanks, Raj. Appreciate that.

7.38 in the morning,

we're heading for 91 degrees in the Twin Cities today.

Here is a text question.

Thanks for the show.

You're welcome. 2013 Equinox.

We've got to get this fixed.

The radio turns on,

but then turns off right away.

It has not worked at all since this started.

Might that be a fuse or an easy fix?

My husband doesn't want to spend any more money

to fix the car.

He's had a lot of engine problems over the years.

What would you suggest

or what would you do

researching that radio problem?

I would wonder if at some point

in time in the life of the vehicle

something spilled and the button,

because usually when it comes on

and it's like the button's not fully depressed,

you can clean that out if the button's come off.

Maybe you can carefully pop that off.

Get a Q-tip in there if there's any debris,

any stickiness, maybe take a little bit of alcohol

and kind of clear that up.

That could be a possibility.

And as far as cost,

something that vintage you might be able to find a used one

which isn't probably horribly expensive,

so it might be a reasonable effort

to get that radio back on.

Because like you had said, if they can't listen to us,

there's probably no reason to even go anywhere.

That's right. Absolutely.

And we were talking about Anoka.

Just to clarify, Texter says

Anoka was established 10 years before St. Paul

as were its paved roads.

That doesn't mean we don't know how many are.

So, you know, let's be fair here.

We won't go there.

All right, another text before we let you go this morning.

There's a 1997

Volvo wagon base model.

The key fobs no longer lock,

sunlocks, doors.

Replace the batteries in both fobs.

We've always used only one of the two key fobs.

The second one was seldom used.

Is there a way to test the fobs

transmitting function

as well as testing the receiver component?

The keys will lock

and unlock all doors.

So the keys work.

Yeah, the keys work.

The fact that both transponders don't work.

I'm thinking something with the receiver.

I doubt that that vintage is nothing

you can connect to it.

Probably get on some forums.

Like Powers and Grounds and different voltage readings

to try to figure it out.

But I suspect it's like

the transmitter inside,

the responder inside the vehicle itself.

Even if that to find one at that vintage

might be tough.

I think there's an outfit out in western Wisconsin

that kind of specializes in some older

Volvo parts, which might be

a good lead there.

But it's going to just trying to find the wiring diagram

which might take some digging up.

Get the voltmeter out, check your Powers and Grounds

as it should be.

It's likely the receiver inside the vehicle.

A listener wants to know,

this is a good question.

How do I check my tire treads?

What's the process?

I see you and your crews doing it.

But what's the magic?

How does a homeowner

or a do-it-yourselfer

check the tire?

When you look at a tire, as they become worn

it's more obvious. There's a little wear bar

that's at 330 seconds designed into every tire.

So as the tires become worn, you'll see

looking through the tread at the deepest part

you might see this little tab there.

As you get closer to that tab

that's 330 seconds. That's kind of like the limit.

Even at that being said

I think

330 seconds, 430 seconds on today's vehicles

is probably getting too low.

The suspensions

and the tire designs, if you get some good snow

you'll find yourself slipping and sliding.

So if it's a spring time

and people are getting to that marker

you might say give it a couple months

throughout the summer, use up what you have

going into the winter months

we want to be price savvy

and conscious with our money, but the last thing you want to do

is try to say, well I'll just get these tires in a couple months

we end up with some snow

you end up slipping into summer because your tires are worn

now you need tires and body work on your vehicle.

So avoid the second one

if the tires are getting kind of close

watch the forecast pay attention

but definitely get a fresh of the tires

before we get snow.

I'm going to scoot real fast but I see Larry

just called in from Inver Grove Heights

I don't want to leave somebody out here.

Larry, what is your question for Nick?

Hi, great, thank you for taking my call

listening all the time. Anyways

I got a 2014 Ford

Super Duty

it's the 6.2 gas

and I've had a check engine light

which I've checked with a hand

two different handheld scanners

and it comes back to a

knock sensor

now my question is this, Nick

if I take it into a dealer

and they've got the big expensive

computer diagnosis

can they tell me which knock

sensor it is and then

is there a possibility it's not

really a knock sensor but a weak coil

or something?

I'll listen. Depending on the code

if it talks about like a circuit

portion or functionality a lot of times

the codes can vary there

and if there is multiple, if there's two knock sensors

one vehicle, yes there should be a type it's A or B

and with what they can do

too is that with their testing

or with the data points they can actually read

the information from the sensor so if the sensor's not sent

anything back we kind of eliminated a coil

well if the sensor seems to be functioning

well now we have to kind of regroup

we're getting a knock sensor fault

because it's predetination, it's knocking

well now is it a timing issue

like you said is it a weak coil injector

there's some other paths we go but we first need to determine

what kind of code it is

and what kind of data is coming out of the sensors

Very good, thanks for doing that Nick

I know we have to run, thanks for everything

how do we find Lloyd's Automotive again?

Yes sir, so if you're in St. Paul

we're on the corner of Grand in Chatsworth

which is 982 grand

if you have a question we will always try to help

651-228-1316

you can find all that information

more at our website which is

LloydsAutomotive.net

Thanks for everything Nick, have a great week

and we'll talk to you one week from today

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