Real Talk - The Good, Bad, & Ugly After Living With The Ineos Grenadier! | Ep. 333

The hosts refer to the Ineos “Quartermaster,” a pickup truck variant of the Grenadier platform. They explain it’s rarer and more expensive than the SUV/wagon, largely due to import duties when bringing commercial vehicles into the US.

“Chicken tax” is a nickname for US tariffs that historically targeted imported light trucks. In this segment, the hosts say it adds cost to importing the Ineos Quartermaster pickup, helping explain why its US price is so high.

A “duty” is a tax charged by a country when goods are imported. Here, the hosts say importing a commercial vehicle triggers a 25% duty, which stacks on top of other costs and helps drive the Ineos truck’s six-figure price.

“Powertrain” is the combined set of components that make the car move—typically the engine plus the transmission and drivetrain parts that deliver torque to the wheels. The hosts say the Grenadier/Quartermaster has a “surprising powertrain,” and they’re about to explain what’s under the hood.

The BMW B58 is a turbocharged 3.0-liter inline-six engine family used across multiple BMW models. “Inline 6” means all six cylinders are arranged in a single straight row, and the B58 is notable for being a modern, efficient design that still delivers strong power for an off-road truck application.

The Toyota Supra is a performance sports coupe known for its strong acceleration and driver-focused design. It often comes up in conversations about cars that share similar platforms or engineering ideas, which is why it may be mentioned alongside other vehicles. In a truck-focused podcast, it’s likely used as a reference point for how certain performance traits show up in different contexts.

Twin turbos means the engine uses two turbochargers to force more air into the cylinders. The speaker contrasts “twin turbos” on older BMW “n-series” engines (called problematic) with the newer B58 approach they consider excellent.

Torque is the twisting force an engine produces, which strongly affects how easily a vehicle accelerates and pulls at low to mid speeds. The speaker cites torque (332 pound-feet) alongside horsepower to characterize the engine’s real-world strength.

“Half ton” is a common North American truck class label that roughly corresponds to a light-duty pickup’s typical payload/capability tier (historically tied to 1/2-ton ratings). The hosts use it to explain where this truck sits in size and capability relative to midsize and full-size trucks.

The “back seat” is being evaluated as a packaging and comfort issue, not just a generic rear seat. The hosts specifically call out tight legroom and a very vertical seatback, which are common ways designers reduce space for rear passengers.

Ricardo is a brand name used here for the front seats in the truck. The speaker is using it to describe fitment—at 6 feet tall, they feel “stuffed up” against these seats, which highlights how tight the cabin packaging is.

The Toyota Tacoma is a midsize pickup truck built for everyday use and off-road capability. It’s frequently used as a benchmark for size and practicality in truck discussions. In the podcast context, it’s referenced to describe how a vehicle’s rear seating and overall packaging compare to a Tacoma.

The Ineos Grenadier is a rugged, off-road-focused truck/SUV built around a simple, utilitarian layout for overlanding and hard use. In this segment, the hosts are evaluating how its cargo/utility design works in real life—especially the bed and storage layout.

A tailgate is the hinged door at the back of a pickup bed that you open to load and unload cargo. Here, the hosts praise the Grenadier’s “massive” tailgate because it makes loading long items easier and increases usable access to the bed.

A composite bed liner is a protective layer installed inside the pickup bed to resist scratches, dents, and corrosion. The hosts note it’s composite on top, but there’s a steel bed underneath—meaning you get protection from the liner while still having the strength of steel.

“Spare tire location” refers to where the backup wheel is stored on the vehicle. The hosts compare typical American pickups (spare under the bed) to this truck’s side-mounted approach, and they discuss how that packaging affects storage space and usability.

A “cubby hole” is a small enclosed storage compartment. In this segment, the hosts describe a lockable recess/cubby created by the spare-tire packaging that can be used to secure items—like fitting the motorcycle’s back tire into the opening to keep it from moving.

Coraro is described here as a heavy-duty axle manufacturer used for the Grenadier’s solid-axle hardware. The host compares it to “Dana of Europe,” implying Coraro is a specialist supplier known for robust axle applications in commercial vehicles.

Solid axles are an off-road suspension design where the left and right wheels are connected by a single rigid axle beam. That typically improves durability and wheel articulation on uneven terrain, which is why they’re common on heavy-duty trucks and serious 4x4s.

Drive shafts (driveshafts) transfer torque from the transmission/transfer case to the axles. The host notes failures can happen if the truck is lifted too high, which changes angles and stresses on the driveline.

This marks the transition into the downsides of the Ineos Grenadier after discussing the positives. It’s a structural “good vs bad” segment cue for listeners.

The Ford Ranger is a midsize pickup truck that’s typically discussed as a smaller alternative to larger full-size trucks. In the episode, it’s brought up in a humorous comparison about “forgetting” bigger trucks and focusing on the Ranger instead. That kind of mention usually points to how size, capability, and practicality change as you step down in truck class.

The Ford F-150 Raptor is a high-performance off-road version of the F-150 pickup, known for its suspension tuning and trail-focused hardware. Here it’s used as a comparison point for what buyers might consider instead of the Ineos Grenadier.

“Locking” the front and rear refers to locking differentials, which force the axle(s) to rotate together. That helps maintain traction when one wheel loses grip on rocks, mud, or uneven surfaces.

The Ferrari F50 is a rare, high-performance supercar built for drivers who want a very focused, track-oriented experience. The podcast description emphasizes its specialized nature and the need for robust engineering underneath. It’s mentioned because it represents an extreme, purpose-built form factor rather than a practical off-road or truck alternative.

The Lexus GX is a luxury SUV that blends comfort with off-road capability. In the podcast context, it’s referenced as an example of someone wanting “luxuries” rather than going for a more stripped-down, hardcore setup. That makes it relevant when discussing different priorities—comfort versus maximum trail focus.

“Triple lock” typically refers to a setup where multiple differentials are lockable—often both axles plus an additional locking function (commonly the center differential in 4WD systems). The goal is to maximize traction when wheels lose grip.

The GMC Canyon is a midsize pickup that the hosts pair with the Chevrolet Colorado as a price-and-ability comparison. They mention an AEV package that bundles off-road upgrades like locking hardware and body/armor-style additions.

The Chevrolet Colorado is a midsize pickup that’s being compared here as a more affordable way to get off-road capability. The hosts specifically mention an AEV package, which adds off-road parts and upgrades to improve trail performance.

The Jeep Wrangler is a compact off-road SUV famous for its rugged design and trail-ready layout. It’s often used as a baseline for serious off-roading because it’s built to handle rough terrain. In the podcast, it’s referenced as a vehicle people might choose when they want to spend money on a capable off-road platform.

A winch is a motorized cable/rope system used to pull the vehicle out of trouble or to recover another vehicle. A “built-in winch” means it’s integrated into the truck from the factory, usually with a dedicated mounting and wiring.

“Full synthetic” here refers to the winch line material—synthetic rope instead of traditional steel cable. Synthetic rope is lighter and can be easier to handle, though it still needs correct care to avoid damage.

This describes a practical off-road design detail: the license plate bracket can be moved out of the way when off-roading. It’s an example of packaging that supports winch use and recovery without blocking access.

“Anti-test lock” sounds like a playful phrase contrasting this interior experience with a “test lock” concept—likely referring to a more gimmicky or conventional infotainment/lock-and-key feel. Without more context, it’s probably a joke about how the interior doesn’t feel like a typical test-drive setup.

Stability control is an electronic system that helps prevent skids by detecting loss of traction and then selectively applying brakes and/or reducing engine power. It’s designed to keep the vehicle pointed in the direction the driver intends, especially during sudden maneuvers or slippery conditions.

Downhill assist is a driver-aid system that helps control speed when descending steep grades. It typically uses engine braking and/or brake control to keep the vehicle from accelerating too much on loose or slippery surfaces.

A locker is a differential feature that forces the left and right wheels on an axle to rotate together. A rear locker and front locker let the Ineos Grenadier manage traction in different off-road situations by reducing wheelspin when one tire loses grip.

A dual sunroof setup means the vehicle has two separate glass openings (or two sections) in the roof, rather than a single sunroof. This can increase airflow and light, but it also adds complexity and potential leak points compared with a single opening.

This describes a dashboard layout where the main infotainment is centralized, while the driver’s instrument cluster is minimal or absent. It can feel cumbersome because the driver may have to look farther away from the steering wheel for key information.

“Left-hand drive” vs “right-hand drive” describes where the steering wheel is located relative to the driver. The speaker suggests the design choice helps avoid re-engineering the dashboard layout when building for different markets.

The instrument cluster is the set of gauges and displays behind (or in front of) the steering wheel, like speed and warning lights. In this discussion, they’re talking about how the layout can be reused without redesigning it for different steering-wheel setups.

Driving position is how the seat, steering wheel, pedals, and visibility are arranged so the driver can reach controls comfortably and see the road clearly. The hosts evaluate it by mentioning steering-wheel placement and overall ergonomics.

Having “two horns” means the vehicle uses more than one horn tone/feature, often to create a more noticeable or distinctive sound. The hosts treat it as a standout design detail, comparing it to a “favorite” feature.

BMW is being used as a reference point for the feel or design of the shifter. The speaker is implying the truck’s shifter resembles BMW’s typical shifter layout/behavior.

Turning radius is the tightest circle a vehicle can make at low speed, usually measured as the radius or diameter of the path the vehicle’s center follows. A smaller turning radius generally makes parking and U-turns easier.

Steering feel is the subjective feedback a driver gets through the steering wheel—how heavy or light it is, how quickly it responds, and how much road/terrain information it transmits. Even if two vehicles have similar turning radius, steering feel can differ a lot due to geometry and steering system design.

A recirculating ball steering system uses a gearbox with ball bearings that recirculate through a threaded mechanism to convert the steering wheel’s rotation into wheel movement. It’s common on body-on-frame trucks because it can provide durability and good off-road feedback, though it often feels less direct than rack-and-pinion steering.

Caster angle is the fore-aft tilt of the steering axis, measured in degrees. More positive caster typically helps the steering self-center after you turn, improving straight-line stability and reducing how much you have to “hold” the wheel.

This is describing steering gear ratio behavior: the steering turns more (or less) per degree of wheel movement depending on where you are in the steering range. A “quicker” off-center ratio makes the truck feel more responsive when you’re making small corrections around straight-ahead driving.

“BFGs” refers to BFGoodrich tires, a well-known off-road tire brand. In off-roading discussions, the specific model matters because tread design and sidewall construction affect traction and durability.

“BL2s” appears to be a specific BFGoodrich tire model the hosts are comparing for off-road use. Tire model names usually correspond to tread pattern and intended use, so swapping models can change traction, noise, and how the tire performs when aired down.

“KL3s” is referenced as the preferred alternative tire model to the “BL2s.” In off-road tire talk, model-to-model differences typically come down to tread design and sidewall strength, which affect grip and confidence over rocks and uneven terrain.

Ground clearance is the distance between the lowest part of the vehicle and the ground. More ground clearance helps prevent the truck from scraping or getting hung up when crossing rocks, ruts, and uneven trails.

A “32-inch tall tire” is a tire size that directly impacts how much obstacle clearance you have and how the tire can climb over rocks. Taller tires also change gearing feel and can improve approach/departure angles depending on suspension setup.

“Portals” are a suspension/axle modification that raises the wheel mounting point relative to the axle centerline, effectively increasing ride height and off-road clearance. They’re often used to gain clearance without needing extremely tall tires, but they’re typically expensive and can add complexity.

“ADS” here refers to an advanced driver-assistance system fitted to the vehicle. The hosts say their Grenadier had a European version that behaved in an infuriating way, which they later tried to get corrected via software.

“Speed bunk” is the hosts’ description of a speed-related driver-assistance behavior that triggers whenever the vehicle exceeds the speed limit. They say it would “bunk every time you exceed the speed limit by one mile an hour,” making the truck’s alerts feel intrusive.

Lane keep is an ADAS function that helps keep the vehicle centered in its lane. In this segment, the hosts distinguish between lane-keeping warning (alerts) and lane-keeping assist (active intervention), and they complain that the assist behavior returns every time they shut the truck off.

This describes two levels of lane-keeping ADAS behavior: a warning mode that alerts the driver, and an assist mode that actively intervenes. The hosts later explain that the assist uses braking, which is why it can feel like a sudden, jarring correction.

When lane-keeping assist “uses the rear brakes,” the system applies braking to help stabilize or steer the vehicle back toward the lane. The hosts say it feels like a minor accident because the braking intervention is noticeable every time the assist triggers.

ADAS stands for Advanced Driver-Assistance Systems—electronics that monitor the road and help with tasks like lane keeping and speed-related alerts. In this segment, the hosts argue that the Grenadier’s ADAS behavior undermined the truck’s appeal for them.

An off-road mode is a vehicle setting that changes how the truck behaves for low-traction surfaces. It often coordinates throttle/gear behavior and, as mentioned here, can disable driver-assistance alerts like parking sensors so they don’t beep constantly while maneuvering on trails.

Parking sensors are proximity sensors that alert you when you’re close to obstacles, usually with beeps or a display. Disabling them in off-road mode can reduce nuisance alerts when you’re creeping over rocks or moving in tight spaces where the sensors may misread distance.

“Seat belt shine” here appears to mean the seat-belt reminder light/indicator. Disabling it in off-road mode prevents the reminder from distracting you while you’re repeatedly getting in and out during trail stops.

Traction control is a stability system that reduces wheel slip by cutting engine power and/or braking individual wheels when it detects the driven wheels losing grip. Saying the intervention is “mild” means the system doesn’t step in aggressively, letting the truck use more available traction before it intervenes.

Low range is a low-geared mode in a 4x4 that multiplies torque for slow-speed crawling. It’s used for steep grades, rocks, and other situations where you want maximum control and pulling power at low speeds rather than highway-like gearing.

A center locker locks the center differential (or equivalent driveline coupling) so front and rear axles rotate together. This is especially useful in loose or uneven traction because it prevents one axle from spinning faster than the other.

This appears to be a transcription error for “full-time four-wheel-drive system.” A full-time AWD system continuously powers all wheels, typically using a center differential (or coupling) to manage speed differences between front and rear axles.

Scott Frady is referenced as the host’s “friend” and as someone who writes for The Overland Journal. The hosts use his long-distance overlanding experience to support the idea that the vehicle is robust enough for extended travel.

The Overland Journal is mentioned as the publication Scott Frady is associated with. In this context, it signals that the discussion is grounded in real-world overlanding reporting rather than just spec-sheet talk.

GT3 RS is Porsche’s track-focused “RS” variant line, known for being tuned for maximum performance and driver feedback rather than comfort. Using it as a comparison here means the Ineos Grenadier is being framed as the off-road equivalent: purpose-built and willing to sacrifice everyday convenience for capability.

In vehicle design, “compromises” refers to trade-offs you accept when optimizing for one priority. Here, the hosts argue that maximizing off-road ability leads to downsides like less-than-ideal packaging and cost.

In a vehicle context, “exclusivity” means relatively few people own the model, so you don’t see many of them in your area. The hosts connect this to the Grenadier’s high price and limited number of buyers.

The Jeep Gladiator is a midsize pickup truck built on Jeep’s off-road SUV platform, combining truck utility with trail capability. It’s mentioned as something you may not see “after gladiator after gladiator,” implying it’s less common than other popular off-road choices. That makes it a notable option when discussing variety in what people actually drive on trails.

“Use prices” appears to refer to used-vehicle prices, i.e., what buyers pay for pre-owned examples. The hosts are saying the Ineos Grenadier’s used market pricing hasn’t dropped much, citing examples around $60,000 for a two-year-old truck.

The Toyota Land Cruiser is a full-size SUV known for long-distance durability and serious off-road ability. It’s often discussed in the context of real-world trail driving, including older examples that people take to places like Moab. In the podcast, it’s specifically tied to someone’s experience driving an older Land Cruiser in that kind of terrain.

The Chevrolet Onix is a small car that’s being discussed in the context of off-road events or off-road-themed sponsorship. The mention of “Onix Offroad” suggests a specific off-road program or community activity tied to the model. In a truck-focused show, it likely serves as an example of how even smaller cars can get involved in off-road culture.

The Ford Bronco is an off-road SUV built to tackle steep trails and challenging terrain. The podcast reference to it being “steeper than any pictures can” highlights how real-world driving angles and grades can surprise people. That kind of comment typically comes up when discussing trail difficulty and vehicle capability in practice.

The Jeep Cherokee is a compact SUV that can be used off-road, but it’s not primarily built as a dedicated trail machine like some other Jeep models. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in a scenario about taking a Cherokee on a difficult trail, emphasizing how challenging that can be. That’s why it comes up—people are contrasting what a smaller SUV can realistically handle.

Kelly Flats is an off-road area referenced in the Denver/Front Range region of Colorado. In this context, it’s described as having challenging trails suitable for serious off-road rigs.

A lift kit raises the truck’s suspension for more ground clearance and usually bigger tires. A longer wheelbase setup (or “long wheelbase” builds) can help stability on steep, uneven trails, but it also changes how the vehicle fits through tight obstacles.

A differential lets the left and right wheels rotate at different speeds, which is helpful for normal driving. A locking differential forces both sides to rotate together, improving traction when one wheel would otherwise spin on loose or uneven ground.

Snow wheeling is off-roading in snowy conditions, where traction is limited and the vehicle may need different driving techniques than on dry dirt. It’s often done on prepared routes or with appropriate tires and recovery gear because getting stuck is more likely.

Idaho Springs is a Colorado town used here as a waypoint for off-road trail access from the Denver area. The hosts mention it as the first “interesting trail” you hit when heading toward higher terrain.

“Wrangler” in this context refers to the Jeep Wrangler, a compact off-road SUV known for its trail-focused design. The podcast mentions doing the Rubicon, which is a famous off-road route, to highlight real off-road experience. That’s why the Wrangler comes up—its reputation and capability make it a common choice for serious trail driving.

“Four-runner” is the Toyota 4Runner, a body-on-frame SUV built for off-road use. The host brings it up as the Toyota option in the same off-road lineup as Jeep Wrangler and Ford Bronco.

The Subaru Justy is a small, fuel-efficient car that’s typically associated with practical, everyday driving rather than hardcore off-roading. In the podcast, it’s mentioned alongside a commercial and general impressions, suggesting it’s being used as a light, relatable example. That fits a truck conversation where the hosts may compare how different vehicles are marketed and used.

The Honda Passport Trail Sport is a trim of the Honda Passport aimed at light off-road and trail driving. The host mentions it in the context of vehicles used for commercials at the same scenic off-road location.

The “Outback” refers to the Subaru Outback, a crossover/wagon that’s popular for road trips and mild off-road use. The host says you could take an Outback on the route, but you’d be miserable because the trail involves lots of rock crawling.

Rock crawling is slow, technical off-road driving over rocks and uneven terrain where traction and vehicle clearance matter more than speed. The host uses it to explain why a typical crossover like an Outback would struggle on that trail.

“Trail reports” are updates (often from land managers or local trail communities) that describe current trail conditions, closures, and obstacles. The host points to them to show the route is frequently obstructed/closed and only reopens seasonally.

“Taliride” is the host’s reference to the Telluride area in Colorado, known for rugged mountain scenery and off-road routes. They’re using it as a selling point for why the region is so good for trail driving and filming.

Engineer Pass is a well-known high-elevation off-road route in Colorado, famous for steep grades and rocky terrain. The host says it’s “really fun” and that they’ve done it many times, framing it as a standout trail in the area.

The hosts describe a Toyota-only trail event that happens in mid-July. It’s presented as a way for Toyota owners to participate in a guided or organized ride through the area.

A “shelf road” is a road cut into the side of a cliff or mountain, where the roadway is narrow and the drop-off is immediate. In off-roading terms, it’s especially intimidating because a small mistake can put the vehicle into a fall, and the driver often has to manage tight turns while exposed.

“Serpentine turns” are winding, back-and-forth switchbacks that follow a zig-zag path down a slope. On steep trails, they increase the challenge because the vehicle’s weight shifts repeatedly, and drivers must place the tires precisely to keep traction and clearance.

The speaker references the town of “Teliraid” as the visible drop-off below the trail. This matters because the trail’s fear factor is tied to how far down you can see—thousands of feet—so the town becomes a key visual reference point.

“Bucket list trails” are routes that many off-roaders consider a must-do because of their reputation, scenery, or difficulty. The term here is about motivation and expectation-setting: even if a trail is technically manageable, the visuals and consequence can make people overthink and take risks.

CarPlay is Apple’s in-car interface that mirrors supported iPhone apps onto the vehicle’s infotainment screen. Here, it’s being used to display a downloaded trail map so the driver can navigate without relying on cell service.

Android Auto is Google’s in-car interface that brings supported Android phone apps to the vehicle’s infotainment display. The point in the discussion is practical: it can show a downloaded trail map when there’s no cell service, reducing the chance of getting lost.

The Ford Excursion is a large, full-size SUV known for its spacious interior and towing/off-road potential. In the podcast, it’s referenced with features like “airing down,” which is a common off-road technique for improving traction on trails. That makes it relevant to discussions about how big SUVs are set up for rough terrain.