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Rivian R2 Review + Torturing The Chief Designer & Engineer Live — Carmudgeon Ep. 242 w Jason Cammisa

Rivian R2 Review + Torturing The Chief Designer & Engineer Live — Carmudgeon Ep. 242 w Jason Cammisa

The Carmudgeon Show Jun 30, 2026 99 min
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About this episode

Jason Cammisa and Derek Tam-Scott broadcast live from a Rivian space in San Francisco to review the highly anticipated Rivian R2. Joined by Rivian's Chief Design Officer Jeff Hammoud and Chief Engineer Max Koff, the hosts deliver an honest, unfiltered critique of the electric SUV. While praising its boxy, anti-blob styling, impressive driving dynamics, and clever packaging, Jason reveals why the lack of Apple CarPlay is an absolute dealbreaker for him. The group also compares the R2 to the Tesla Model Y, debating physical controls, aerodynamics, and software integration.

Technical Too Afraid to Ask
Company

Hagerty

"Welcome to another episode of the Car Mudge and Show. That is driven by Hagerty. We're not driving. We're sitting by Hagerty."

A company famous for insuring classic cars and creating videos and articles for people who love cars.

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Derek Tam-Scott

"I am not Derek Tampscott. I'm not Jason Camisa."

A car expert who co-hosts this podcast and specializes in collectible and classic cars.

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Jason Cammisa

"I'm not Jason Camisa. Jeff Hamoud. Are you or you're not?"

A well-known car journalist who hosts car shows and is famous for explaining how cars work in a fun, easy-to-understand way.

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Person

Jeff Hammoud

"I'm not Jason Camisa. Jeff Hamoud. Are you or you're not?"

The head designer at Rivian, the company that makes electric trucks and SUVs. He is the person who decides what the cars look like inside and out.

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Max Koff

"You're not Max Koff. No, not Max Koff. He's, I'm not Jeff Hamoud."

The lead engineer for the Rivian R2, meaning he is in charge of making sure the car actually works, drives well, and is safe.

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Place

San Francisco

"We are here. Oh, yes. We are here in a Rivian space in San Francisco."

A famous hilly city in California where the hosts are recording this episode.

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Rivian R2
Official manufacturer press image
Car

Rivian R2

"We have just driven Rivian R2. And these two fine gentlemen here are your hosts."

A smaller, cheaper electric SUV from Rivian that looks like a boxy truck but is designed for everyday driving and outdoor adventures.

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Concept

direct-to-consumer

"They have spaces. Direct to consumer. Direct to consumer. And this is not just a space."

A way of buying a car directly from the company that made it, rather than going to a traditional third-party car dealership.

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Car

Volkswagen Gti

"It's the GTI, it's from 2008. And so my standards are incredibly low."

A sporty version of the popular Volkswagen Golf hatchback that is famous for being fun to drive while still being practical enough for grocery shopping.

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Car

Rivian R1

"and one of the cars in the background is an R1 and you all in the audience are tasked"

The first line of large electric trucks and SUVs made by Rivian, known for being very fast and incredibly good at driving over rough terrain.

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Car

Tesla Model Y

"So this car's direct competitor would be the Tesla Model Y. And the Model Y is a very nice car."

A very popular electric family SUV made by Tesla that is known for its high-tech features and great battery range.

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Car

Tesla Model 3

"but I don't think Model Y is a home run in the way that Model 3 is, right?"

Tesla's smaller, more affordable electric sedan that drives like a sports car.

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Car

Tesla Model S

"...t's not desirable in the aesthetic sense. The way Model S was initially, some people find Cybertruck to be,..."

This is a large, luxury electric car made by Tesla that runs entirely on battery power. It has four doors, looks like a sleek sedan, and was one of the first electric cars to become highly popular and widely recognized.

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Car

Tesla Cybertruck

"The way Model S was initially, some people find Cybertruck to be, I don't. But this car has a visual appeal ..."

This is an electric pickup truck made by Tesla that has a very unusual, sharp, triangular shape made of shiny stainless steel. It is designed to look futuristic and is highly recognizable on the road.

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Term

coefficient of drag

"I would like to know what the C sub D, the coefficient of drag is. It'd be interesting because you can genuinely"

A measurement of how easily a car cuts through the air. A lower number means the car is more slippery, which helps electric cars go farther on a single charge.

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Car

Lamborghini Kuntash

"Like a Kuntash has a terrible C sub D, even though it looks like it should be very aerodynamic."

A legendary, wedge-shaped Italian supercar from the 1970s and 80s with doors that open upwards. It looks incredibly fast and aerodynamic, but actually pushes a lot of air out of the way like a brick.

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Car

Rivian R1S

"You can't have specifically about R1-S, this SUV. Both, but S was worse."

A large, luxury electric SUV made by Rivian that has three rows of seats and is excellent at driving off-road.

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Part

air suspension

"Their air suspension R2 doesn't. They would lower themselves on the highway"

A system that uses air-filled rubber bags instead of metal springs to cushion the car's ride, allowing the driver to raise or lower the vehicle.

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Term

trailing throttle oversteer

"and it does really tuck in under a trailing throttle. Well, and it has really heavy regen."

A situation where letting go of the gas pedal while turning causes the back of the car to swing out, helping the car turn more sharply.

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Car

Toyota A90

"I don't think I ever, I never got to like a 90% or 90 degree opposite lock thing. I also didn't try."

This is a two-door sports car made by Toyota that is designed for fast driving and sharp handling. It is popular among car enthusiasts who enjoy performance driving.

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Car

Toyota RAV4

"... you compare it to other things, like even like a RAV4, which is similarly sized, I think you'd see this..."

This is a highly popular, mid-sized family SUV made by Toyota. It is known for being reliable, easy to drive, and practical for everyday tasks.

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Car

Rivian R3X

"Because it's not the R3X that I really want and that everyone who's an enthusiast really wants"

A sporty, rugged version of Rivian's upcoming small electric car that looks like a classic rally hatchback.

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Car

Lancia Delta

"because you ripped off completely a Lancia Delta. There we go."

A famous Italian hatchback from the 1980s that won many rally racing championships and is loved by car enthusiasts for its cool, boxy look.

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Brand

Saturn

"This is the rebirth of the no-dicker sticker from Saturn. Do you remember that?"

A car brand owned by General Motors that went out of business in 2010. It was famous for selling cars at a single, non-negotiable price so buyers didn't have to argue with salespeople.

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Car

Chrysler 200

"He designed the Chrysler 200. So when you do-"

A mid-sized sedan made by Chrysler that was redesigned in 2015 to look very sleek and modern.

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Car

Jeep Grand Cherokee

"I actually grand Cherokee first, but I'm glad you picked the 200. No, that's not funny."

A popular mid-sized SUV from Jeep that is comfortable on the highway but still very capable of driving off-road.

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Person

RJ Scaringe

"or was that just RJ from? Oh, it was RJ. It was one of the original things."

The founder and boss of Rivian, who started the company and has a doctorate in engineering.

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Car

Volkswagen Corrado VR6

"VR6 carado, yeah. You know that, right? I do now."

A rare, sporty hatchback made by Volkswagen in the 1990s that had a unique, compact 6-cylinder engine and a rear wing that popped up when you drove fast.

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Car

Land Rover Range Rover

"and also sand glow, you know, the Range Rover, Chemo-Tropi color. Oh yes, sure."

This is a large, high-end luxury SUV designed to be comfortable on normal roads while also being highly capable of driving over rough, off-road terrain. It is made by a British brand and is known for its boxy, prestigious look.

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Car

Porsche 356

"It was a Porsche color in this 356 era. Exactly. We're just so..."

The very first car model that Porsche ever made, famous for its cute, rounded shape and engine mounted in the back.

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Part

semi-active dampers

"low hanging fruit for value for money are the semi-active dampers. And so throughout development,"

Shock absorbers that can automatically get softer or stiffer depending on whether you are driving on a bumpy dirt road or a smooth highway.

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Part

multi-link suspension

"So it's a McPherson front and a multi-link rear. So it's doing both at the same time,"

A sophisticated suspension design that uses several metal arms to hold the wheel, allowing the tire to stay flat on the road for better grip and a smoother ride.

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Part

McPherson strut

"So it's a McPherson front and a multi-link rear. So it's doing both at the same time,"

A simple and compact front suspension design used in most modern cars to save space and weight.

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Car

Porsche 911

"it reminds me of a 911 in that sense, like an old 911 because the line i..."

This is a famous two-door sports car made by the German company Porsche, known for having its engine in the back rather than the front. It has a very recognizable curved shape that has changed only slightly over many decades.

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Car

Volkswagen Egolf

"And now you know why R3 will be my e-golf replacement finally. I mean, the biggest challenge that I've had,"

An electric version of the popular Volkswagen Golf hatchback that drives just like a normal, fun-to-drive Golf but runs entirely on battery power.

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Car

Chevrolet Spark EV

"Get a front of ours as a Chevy Spark EV. And yes, it will do a thousand foot burnouts."

A tiny electric hatchback made by Chevrolet that was surprisingly fast because its electric motor produced an enormous amount of pulling power.

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Car

Lucid Gravity

"... a jelly bean, right? And so as much as the Lucid Gravity, for example, is a packaging miracle,"

This is a luxury electric SUV made by a company called Lucid. It is designed to have a very spacious interior for passengers while keeping a smooth, rounded outside shape to help it slide through the air efficiently.

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Car

G-Class Gwagon

"I don't think that shape makes people look at it and say, want, the way they do for a G-Wagon, or any of, insert any Land Rover product."

This is a very expensive, box-shaped luxury SUV made by Mercedes-Benz. Originally designed for military use, it is now a status symbol known for its classic styling and tough build.

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Car

Audi 200

"No. But it's also the same as like the Audi 200 or 100 when that first came out, which was like a..."

This is an older luxury sedan made by the German company Audi in the 1980s and early 1990s. It was famous at the time for having a very smooth, aerodynamic shape that helped it cut through the wind quietly.

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Part

dog clutch

"It's a, yeah, it's a electro mechanical like dog clutch. Oh, wow. So it."

A simple, mechanical lock that connects or disconnects two spinning parts using interlocking teeth instead of friction pads.

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Car

Mercedes-Benz Eclass

"over and over again, whereas you get to a C-Class, to an E-Class, three series, five series, et cetera, et cetera."

This is a medium-sized luxury sedan made by the German company Mercedes-Benz. It sits in the middle of their car lineup, offering a balance of comfort, space, and high-tech features.

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Mercedes-Benz Cclass

"over and over again, whereas you get to a C-Class, to an E-Class, three series, five series, et cetera, et cetera."

This is a smaller luxury sedan made by Mercedes-Benz. It is designed to offer the style and technology of the brand's larger, more expensive cars but in a more compact and affordable package.

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Person

Bruno Sacco

"what Bruno Sock had called it horizontal and vertical, right, lineage, where you look at the current lineup"

A famous designer for Mercedes-Benz who believed that all cars from the same brand should look like they belong to the same family, and that new models shouldn't make old models look ugly or outdated.

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Car

Mercedes-Benz Sclass

"as a sibling of the other. So you see C-class, C-class, S-class, they all look family."

This is the largest and most expensive luxury sedan made by Mercedes-Benz. It is designed to carry passengers in extreme comfort and features the brand's newest and most advanced technology.

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Car

GMC Denali Yukon

"because they share basically from the dash forward for a long time with Nascale, Denali, Yukon. So they share them."

This is a very large SUV made by GMC that can carry up to nine people. It is built on a truck frame, making it strong enough to tow heavy trailers while offering a spacious interior.

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Car

Dodge Ram

"So they share them. Or if you look at like the Ram for a long time, it didn't have a sister product."

This is a large pickup truck made in America, designed for hauling heavy loads, towing, and everyday utility. It is known for its large front grille and spacious interior.

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Car

Nissan Pathfinder

"...ig wheels and tires. You think about that, like a pathfinder, you know, no forerunner from around those 90s."

This is an SUV made by Nissan. The version mentioned from the 1990s was a tough, truck-like vehicle built for driving on rough trails and carrying gear.

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4Runner Forerunner

"...think about that, like a pathfinder, you know, no forerunner from around those 90s. I mean, they were just so ..."

This is a tough, truck-based SUV made by Toyota that is built for off-road driving and outdoor adventures. The 1990s models are highly prized for being incredibly durable and long-lasting.

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Car

Cherokee Xj Cherokee

"...u had some absurd comparison you drew between the XJ Cherokee and like some contemporary car. Modern golf."

This is a classic, boxy SUV made by Jeep from the mid-1980s to the early 2000s. It is famous for being compact, lightweight, and highly capable of driving in snow and mud.

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Car

Volkswagen Beetle

".... And for me, I was thinking of an old Volkswagen Beetle in that, our cheapest version will be rear wheel ..."

This is a historic, small, round car made by Volkswagen that is famous for its 'bug' shape. Unlike most modern small cars, its engine was located in the back, and it powered the back wheels.

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Concept

unibody

"So this structure of this car is unit, full conventional unit body, very different than R1."

A car design where the frame and the body are built as one single piece, making the vehicle lighter, safer, and better-handling.

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Concept

body-on-frame

"That helps from a lot of the big off-road loads, but from a like torsional stiffness perspective, R2 is actually about 40% stiffer, the top hat is."

An older way of building vehicles where a separate metal frame carries the engine and wheels, and the car's body is bolted on top. It is mostly used for tough trucks and large SUVs today.

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Car

Toyota Fj

"then you need 180 degrees of swipe. Toyota FJ Cruiser with three. Yeah, E type also."

This is a rugged, blocky SUV made by Toyota that was designed for driving off-road. It has a distinctive retro look and is famous for having three windshield wipers instead of the usual two.

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Part

cinching latches

"And then you gotta manually close it. And that was the trade off and it has cinching latches."

Motors that gently pull a car door or hood completely shut so you don't have to slam it.

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Term

overslam

"You need overslam. Yeah, overslam. Overslam is about six millimeters"

The extra distance a car door or hood travels when you slam it hard before it bounces back to its normal closed position.

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Car

Chevrolet C7

"to manually manipulate something. And C7 Corvette was the first one to use that. And when ..."

This is a high-performance sports car made by Chevrolet. The specific version mentioned (the C7) was built in the 2010s and is known for its sharp styling, loud V8 engine, and fast acceleration.

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BMW New Bmws

"No, I don't know what solution. So all the new BMWs, so the correct way as far as I'm concerned would..."

This is the name for a new family of electric cars that BMW is launching. It represents a fresh start for the brand's design and technology as they transition to making more electric vehicles.

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matrix headlights

"Although you do have matrix headlights, right? This does have-"

Smart headlights that can block out parts of their high beams so they don't blind oncoming drivers, while still lighting up the rest of the dark road.

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