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Like, I think of other people that drive late model cars

and how boring it is to just get in that car

and know you're going to get where you're going.

Yeah.

You know, I'm white knuckling it,

just trying to get my kids to school on some days.

Your most memorable law enforcement interaction story.

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What's the scariest, hairiest thing you've been behind the wheel of?

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There's, we've done a lot of dumb stuff on Roadkill.

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Welcome everybody back, another episode of Oil and Whiskey.

This week, none other than Mike Finnegan.

Mike, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me, dude. Stoked to be here.

Right on, man. We are stoked to have you, man.

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at all the places we've ever been. I've never been to a manufacturing facility

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I believe it. Weathertech is the first glimpse I ever got into 3D scanning

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I'm still low-tech. I don't have one, but I appreciate it.

Yeah, dude, it is legit. If you're into just anything mechanical, it's mind-blowing.

It's life-changing to see it. You've never seen anything that exists like this before.

No, it's insane on the machining capabilities. I didn't know

that CNC machines came in those sizes.

You can machine blocks them.

This is the size that you would truck a machine in. That's the machine.

But everything from massive, high-quality volume production all the way down to a

huge facility that's one-off skunkwork stuff of brand-new cars over and over and over,

but it's all done at scale. It's wild and everything in between.

It's like walking into a RadRide shop. You think you're doing a good job,

and then all the life is sucked out of you. You're never going to be at that level.

I don't think anybody's false.

Oh, my God. I assumed it didn't happen to you guys. Happens to me every day, though.

Most of the people I follow on Instagram are fabricators, usually, and they're better than me,

and I just watch and just jaw-hits the floor every day when Morgan Clark,

or just a bunch of these people.

He's a savant.

Yeah.

Morgan's fucking badass. I was just looking at, he was just posting these like kick panels.

Did you see that? I think it was just in his stories or something.

Like something so simple, but it's just absolutely beautiful. Like his work,

it doesn't matter what he does. It's a kick panel, and you can tell for sure that he made it,

and it's fucking badass.

And he rolls through shit.

He knocks stuff up.

Like progress, progress, progress.

But I think it has to be that way. If you're not looking, scrolling through,

going to people's shops, and being pushed, inspired, and also always questioning yourself

of like, oh man, I got to get better. I got to get better.

If you're not that way, then you start getting bored. You can't feel like you're the best

at everything.

That's a good point. I mean, I don't ever feel that way.

Race day, I feel that way. I always feel like I'm going to smoke everybody on the property

on race day. But in my everyday life, oh man, it's a rare occurrence where I'm like,

yup, nobody's doing that better than I just did it.

Well, dude, I know you've done, you've hosted podcasts, you've been guests on hundreds of

podcasts. We're going to try not to go and regurgitate everything that's been done

before. There's some stuff we'd like to get into because we haven't ever met in person.

But starting not too cliche, but from the beginning, you're born and raised in California,

right?

Yeah, yeah. I grew up, well, all over Southern California because my dad had a job where it

seemed like every two years we were moving. He worked for a grocery company called Vons.

And whenever they'd opened a new district or a new store, it seemed like they sent him there.

So I moved probably seven or eight times before I was even a teenager.

Everywhere from Clovis, California, which is kind of what they're by Bakersfield,

all the way down to Oceanside, California, down there by San Diego.

So I spent most of my life there before settling on Georgia, which I love it here. Oh my God.

Where yet in Georgia?

I am northwest of Atlanta, probably closer to Chattanooga, that area.

And which means I'm in the woods next to a lake and it's just beautiful and cheap and

nice. It's cool. I love it here.

So I spent probably, I don't know, six, seven years in Georgia right in like middle school

and high school area, ages. So right north of Atlanta, Petrie Corners,

Norcross, Forsyth County coming and stuff like that.

Yeah. Okay. I swear at some point, I'm going to go back through all the podcasts and add

up the years. It's true. It's got to add up to like, you must be 110.

It's all, you can go back and listen to them and they're all.

I'm not, I'm not, I'm not questioning you. I'm just, you know, busting your boss.

Florida, Florida, Dallas, Birmingham, Atlanta, Florida, Dallas, Delaware, Birmingham, Atlanta,

back to Birmingham, now Chicago.

Right. I tend to speak in generalizations because my memory is shit. So I'm sure my

story is overlap. So magazine thing, obviously that's, I mean,

Minnetruckin, you talked about the beginning, you know, from chassis side of things and

and everything that you did with a bunch of magazines. We had Fryberger on and

it's kind of similar arc on, you know, being in the print media side and then

transitioning over. But Minnetruckin was definitely a little different than,

you know, traditional, you know, car craft and hot rod and stuff like that.

I came from the import days way back in the day from, you know,

nopey nationals and all that stuff way back and Minnetruckin and imports definitely

crossed over and shared spaces at a lot of places there for a long time.

And you had people, you know, transition and back and forth.

But Minnetruckin days were, those were fun. We talk about it a lot on the show

about hot rod shows and, you know, any of the traditional good guys and Seema and

all your stuff that we live in every day, you know, and go to and nothing is like

good old Minnetruck shows back in the day of, you know, we talk about Greenville,

Mississippi all the time. We talk about Heatwave and we talk about those were

different events than what we all as adults now spend our time at.

Yeah, yeah, those events were, oh my god, those are memorable. A lot of almost arrested

situations at those events and brown water in Greenville and every hotel.

You remember that? Like you shower, but you felt like you could never get the soap off

because whatever they had going on in their water there in that town.

But that town was epic because they didn't care for probably the first five years.

You could drag your shit over anything. Road reflectors gone.

You know, they didn't, nobody got seen. They got arrested. The cops were cool.

There weren't any riots. Like it was a good time, you know, and Heatwave was really fun.

And all the early truck runs that I went to as a kid, I mean, the stuff we did,

just camping out in the bed of our trucks when it's like 100 degrees out, just

trying not to get wrapped up in saran wrap and covered in condiments and fed copious

mounts out all because it was your first time. Your buddies did that too.

It's a big frat party. You know, it kind of felt that way.

I mean, I don't think you do any of that anymore, you know.

Yeah, the clubs and the hazing and stuff. I remember though early in the,

or like the first probably four or five years at Greenville when it was really kicking.

I still had a little bit of, I wouldn't say maturity, maybe morals or like conscience.

So in the morning time, mid-morning, when you're rolling to the show,

you're going and you're passing all the hotels. And what was that night

is now left over in the next morning. And it's literally like what you see

with a tornado came through. It looks like Katrina came through.

And it's just, and I remember looking at him like, this can't be,

like there can't be happy about this. Like they're not going to want us back next year.

This looks bad. And it's just each hotel after hotel, you know,

Waffle House, just absolutely wrecked.

Yeah, it looked like a parade went through that town.

But we were literally parting with the mayor.

He was standing on the corner drinking with us.

They were, because this town of Greenville, Mississippi,

there was nothing happening. And so they were so excited that anybody

showed up to spend money at Captain D's or, you know, Waffle House or whatever.

Like they almost didn't care for the first few years of like what anarchy was happening.

And it's hard to blame those kids because like many truckers,

they were the punk rockers with the automotive scene.

You know, we took what we needed to figure out how to build things.

Nobody liked our builds. Nobody respected them at all.

And so we stole from everybody, hot rodders, street rodders off-road,

you know, lower riders, everything to build these mini trucks.

That ultimately, I mean, until recently they weren't worth any money, you know.

You spent a lot of money building your mini truck and it was worth $3,000 when you were done, you know.

It was wild to see the like late 90s, early 2000s that transition.

You'd go to these shows and we talked about with Hills, you know,

on the rolling end and, you know, people would show up.

You're like, holy shit, look at these guys.

So you had, you never had, I mean, there was a few, but as a general statement,

you never really had anybody at that point in time that was perfect at everything, right?

So you had a guy that was great at, say, suspension setup in bags, right?

You might have a great body guy and paint guy.

You might, then you might have a guy that's great at fabrication, you know.

So you go to a show and you'd have a bare metal truck, right?

Because he's a fab guy and you've got awesome sheet metal stuff.

And it's starting to emerge where it wasn't just, you know,

thrown together B-2200s, you know, and some subs and stuff.

So now you're actually doing things.

You're engineering and doing some stuff that never has been done before.

And then you see one that's just painted slick and stuff.

So you started having these crafts, you know,

start to emerge out of these shops and you're like, oh, what was it?

Was it chassis by Aaron?

Was it Aaron?

Oh, Aaron, you, huh?

Yeah.

Oh man.

The stuff that you'd see of, you know, tubing and geometry.

Is that all the spiky too, where you're blending two radiuses

and making a fucking spike?

Well, it was some spiked stuff.

But it was also like it was done well.

His stuff was engineered.

Yeah, it was built to work as well.

But to your point, like his stuff,

he would have the baddest chassis's ever.

Rarely did those trucks ever get finished.

And thank God for truck clubs because, you know,

none of us could do any of this, all of it.

And so, you know, you had to join a club to get anything

real progressed under your stuff because, like you said,

one guy would know car stereos.

One guy, you know, when I joined a truck club,

I'll never forget, my truck was stock.

And they were just so happy to have another member

that I was installing car stereos at Circuit City at the time.

And I got in the club, three members showed it up

like two days later and took my truck.

And it disappeared for two days.

I don't even know where it went.

Well, when it came back, the torsion bars were cranked down.

They had four-inch blocks in the back.

They pulled all the leaf springs except one.

And all of a sudden, I had a truck that looked so cool,

but also wanted to kill me when I drove it home.

You know, like the alignment was jacked.

It was sitting on the bump stops.

That was a hard body.

No, it was a 94 Toyota that they cranked the torsions

all the way down on the stock shocks

that were completely bottomed out.

And it looked so cool,

but it wanted to change lanes every time

it hit a bump in the road, you know.

But I was so happy to be a part of something

and to see something change on my truck

that I didn't care that it was a death trap.

I was just like, yeah, I'm going to a truck show

this weekend now, you know, with my stockhead truck.

Yeah, I was going to put that in perspective now.

It's when you do what I mean, we all do it

at a pretty high level.

You're used to seeing some really wild shit

and you're kind of jaded to it, right?

But then you see, you see like a kid cruising down

with something that the wheels are all cambered in

and it's like a homemade spoiler on the back

and every panel is a different color.

And part of you wants to be like, what the fuck is this?

You know?

And then the other party is like, that's pretty cool

that that kid's like, he's doing something.

He's trying to make his car look cool

with every tool that he's got, right, to do it.

Well, I didn't know you're getting old.

I've done the same thing.

You see something like, oh man, like 10 years ago

you've made fun of it.

But now you're like, that's awesome.

That guy's putting his effort into it,

trying to get into that industry.

And yeah, you want to support it and you're trying to grow it.

That's cool.

Yeah, I think as long as you never forget what it was like,

you can always appreciate that stuff.

Because like that kid, two days earlier,

his car was probably stock.

And so this, even though it's wearing out the tires

and is kind of haggard looking,

is a monumental change just to have a spoiler

and it's for it to be lowered.

And it probably felt incredible

because I remember it feeling incredible.

Like I remember, I mean, the early days to this stuff

was just so trashy.

Like I had four-wheel air shocks, no C-notch.

I had a scuba tank with no regulator on it.

And it wasn't uncommon for my girlfriend

when we were cruising to hook the Schrader valve up,

open the scuba tank and not close it quick enough

and blow up my air shocks.

Which sounds like a shotgun going off where it happened.

And then I'd show up at four-wheel parts the next day

and try to exchange everything and get four new ones.

I don't know what happened.

These things just blew out.

Once the scuba shops got tired of refilling my CO2 tanks

because they figured I wasn't scuba diving.

So then I moved on to bicycle air compressors,

a little 12-volt cigarette lighter one.

And those things were so lame that if I aired the truck out,

which would take a couple of blocks

because it was Schrader valves,

I then had to pre-plan how long it would take to air it back up.

And in the Huntington Beach, the cops,

they did not like cruising.

And so my girlfriend would take two pencils

and put them in the Schrader valves front and back

and start lowering the truck like three blocks

before I wanted to drag it in front of the cool people.

And then she'd have to hurry up and hook up the bike pump

to start airing it up before I got to the cops at the corner

because otherwise they'd impound my truck.

Just to look cool for like 30 seconds.

Yeah, and you're telling me we've done worse to look cool.

Probably.

Definitely.

This master cylinder absolutely doesn't need to be seen.

Let's put it under the dash because it'll be cool.

I've done that 400 hours later.

It's interesting though.

I want to tell you something about getting old

and appreciating just the interest,

regardless of the level of skill,

because at least they're interested in...

They're not the previous generation.

It's like, I don't even need a car.

I'll just Uber everywhere, right?

We're seeing that.

We've talked about it before.

Newer generation seems better than it was five or six,

seven years ago.

But I want to ask you specifically,

you said you were installing car stereos at Circuit City.

I sold car stereos at Hi-Fi Buys for a while.

Twitter, yeah, kind of same thing.

We were actually competitors with Circuit City.

There was one across the street.

We did a lot of SPL contests and crazy stuff like that,

especially with mini trucks and imports.

That's one thing today that if I'm sitting in a red light

and somebody pulls up and they're blowing the trunk off.

That's something that I cannot be like,

you know what?

I appreciate that.

I remember doing that.

It's like, fucking stop that shit.

I don't know why I've gotten so old.

I can't handle that level of noise anymore.

And I had every single car I had for the first probably

five or six vehicles, always had a system.

I mean, I had a servant of Vegas strokers

in the back of a Suburban, I remember, everything.

It was all about bass.

But now I hear that and I'm like, uh-uh.

Can't you just turn your miracle ears down a little bit

and then back up through the intersection?

Now it puts it in perspective that when you think about back then,

you know, you were probably high as fuck.

You had your weed in the film container, right?

Stuffed in the center console.

And you're sitting at the stop light doing that

and wondering why you just got pulled over

and now you're freaking out.

Oh, shit dude.

Dude, dude, hide it, hide it, hide it, man.

Hide it.

You're like, now I'm at the light

and I see that guy and I'm like,

what a fucking moron, dude.

Like you probably, I know you don't have insurance.

You're getting pulled over any minute.

The thing is straight piped.

It's laying on the ground.

It's expired and you're holding it.

The truck is about to blow off the thing

from the damn subs, but.

Did you let that pass?

How does it, coming from stereo, do you like,

you still got it?

I could never afford a good system,

even when I was installing them.

And so now when I hear one, I get so excited

because I'm like, oh, I never had that.

I wanted that, you know.

And over the years, I've maybe had maybe

one or two vehicles with stereos

and I'm like, I never get to that point

with most of these things.

Like I mostly build them for a specific purpose.

Like I want to go race this thing

or do this drag and drive.

And they don't usually end up getting painted

and, you know, or stereos.

And so now when I see one, I'm like,

ah, man, I really want subs in something.

I really want to just cruise around with base again

because I don't know, I'm still 14 inside.

I don't think I ever grew up, really.

I don't know, depending on where you live,

that guy, even if he's holding, it's probably legal.

You know?

Yeah, right.

Yeah, if it's in Illinois.

He is.

I'm forever like, I guess just ruined by it.

When I was a kid, somebody here,

I had an older brother, right?

It's fucking bad.

Who got two bit.

What were they?

Rockford Fosgate punches.

Yep.

That was a garage sale.

Yeah, scored them at a garage sale in a box.

And the box was about a quarter inch,

maybe three eighths taller than the trunk opening.

What trunk?

That was a 70 Challenger.

And so Phil modified the trunk by just closing it hard.

It repeated.

To self-clear up.

Until it just got itself a little bow,

which gets rid of the vibration because it's tight.

Yeah.

But I was always like a kid.

I was, I mean, that's how I was like.

One of the songs you were listening to, probably.

It was 13 or 14.

Up in your picture.

And I'd be always pissed off in the morning.

I'd just wake up in a bad mood and sitting in the car

and that shit just blast and fucking, what were you?

Bone, bone, bone, bone.

Yeah, bone, bones.

First of the month.

Yeah.

We just got to decide to wake up in a good mood

and then everything from there is dead.

I guess.

Good advice.

Choose Joyce instead of choosing violence.

That's good advice.

That's just the way I woke up, man.

Talking about projects and stuff.

You have won, you have right now,

a shit ton of projects going on.

And you've always been involved,

especially through roadkill and stuff like that.

So many projects at one time.

Do you, we talked with Fryburger about this, too.

Do you have a master list in your head

that you're checking off and adding to,

or is it literally like squirrel?

Like, oh, that'd be fun.

Well, first off, it's his fault.

To be clear, Fryburger's fault.

It's his fault.

I have so many projects that, you know,

in most people's eyes are probably unfinished.

And yeah, like I have, at any given moment,

there's three things in this basement

under my house that I'm working on simultaneously.

And it, the progress is dictated by,

what event am I trying to get to?

And what kind of fun am I trying to have?

And do I have the parts or not?

And that's it.

And I have one guy that works with me,

my friend Joe, and that poor bastard.

He's used to me going, yeah, I know yesterday

you thought we were doing this today,

but I have new information.

So we're not doing this.

Move all the cars of the garage,

bring this here, move that there.

We're doing this, you know.

And it changes constantly.

It changes based on, what did I see

on Bring a Trailer the night before?

It's a dangerous website.

I shouldn't have been there.

You know, it changes on, you know,

what broke last week.

Like I was in North Carolina yesterday

to pick up a motor for that car

right there, my Bel Air.

Ended up not coming home with the motor.

So then that completely changed

what I was doing today,

which throws off the entire schedule

because we have to put up a YouTube video

this Sunday because I'm a YouTuber.

And so it's a moving target every day.

And I wish I was better at it or more fit.

What do you do in that situation if you're,

you got to get content out.

Motor's not there.

Yep.

So what comes next to me?

That's a prime recipe for TV.

Forced drama and stuff running around.

And we're going to lose the shot.

I'm just going to do a motor builder

and get the motor done.

I've said it for years.

You don't have to script any of this.

Just buy old cars.

They all break.

Every single, you're not getting

anywhere on time.

I think of other people that drive

late model cars and how boring it is

to just get in that car

and know you're going to get where you're going.

I'm white knuckling it,

just trying to get my kids to school on some days.

But I'll never know.

Do you just play with the amount of gas you have in it?

It gives you that same rush.

You try to see how far to zero you can get.

That's a, that's a,

Phil's a weirdo.

And he's like a saydo.

Massachusetts is where it's like,

I guarantee you that's a suggestion.

But it's always at the most inopportune time.

He loves to send a text of like,

I've been going for 30 miles.

It said zero for the last 30 miles.

I'm going to come back.

I'm going to come back to work in the morning.

But he'll pick us up like to go to the airport.

Airport's like, it's 35 minute drive.

It's probably 25 miles.

He'll pick me up first, generally on the run.

All right, he'll pick me up 10 minutes late.

And then we got to still go pick up Jeremy, right?

And then we got to go, he'll pick me up.

And it says, you know, like 12 miles to empty.

I'm like, we still got to go pick up Jeremy.

And I know we got a 20 something mile thing.

Like, dude, and we're 20 minutes late to the airport.

Like this is the worst.

Oh, don't worry.

We're, I think we'll be fine.

Like, dude, how many flights have we missed?

None, but it's still I'm, yeah.

So does that make you the most chill guy ever feel

that you're not worried about any of this

or you just want to see what happens?

Like, are you the guy that throws the firecracker in the shop

and walks out to see what happens?

No, I think a lot of it is, it's inefficient to stop

until you need to.

So it's an extra stop.

It's laziness.

It's that too.

We've, we've made.

I wait long enough for someone else to fill it.

We maybe have never missed a plane.

How many times have you ran out of gas?

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Not recently, but it's probably been.

Five-ish.

Two of them, I ran out of gas pulling into the shop,

popped that neutral and just coasted right into parking.

It counts.

Another one, I ran out of gas pulling into the gas station.

And then another one, I ran out of gas in the turning lane

at the gas station.

That's all this is.

So three out of five were within seconds.

Yeah.

If you want to figure out a way to make a late model car

not dependable, that's it.

It's going to work.

Mechanically, it's going to be good,

but you could run without gas.

Out of the tank.

Recently at Fryverter, we discovered a strategy

that works really well.

We were road tripping my Datsun 240Z cross country.

It's a really shitty 71.

And it doesn't have a gas gauge.

It only has a 10 gallon fuel cell.

So range is limited and it's turbo.

That's the Rotzen or something like that, right?

Rotzen, yeah.

And so we're driving along

and all of a sudden the fuel pressure gauge

goes down to five, four, three.

And we discovered that when it hits one,

you can only go about seven miles.

Unless, and you're on flat ground,

you speed up, shut it off.

And then...

Coast it.

Turn it back on, speed up, shut it off.

I discovered you can go like 12 if you do that.

It's a little NASCAR move.

That's different speed pushing that car into the gas station

or, you know, not...

I do a lot of popping in neutral on downhills.

Yeah.

That extends your range.

You could also stop and fill it up

when it gets to a quarter tank.

It's so much easier.

Sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't know, you know.

Not Phil.

Yeah, he knows.

You might not know.

Talking about YouTube.

So just recently you've launched your own YouTube, right?

This is pretty recent.

No, no.

2016, I think.

For your own?

Kind of recent.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Oh, I didn't know that.

Yeah.

When Motor Trend decided to pull Roadkill

and their other shows off of YouTube

and put them behind a paywall, I went,

uh-oh, that's a horrible idea.

I'm going to start my own YouTube channel

because this may not work out.

And so for the last eight years, every year,

I've been like, this may not work out.

I need to keep working on this YouTube thing

on the side.

It was my side hustle, you know,

because I figured one day the TV show would end.

And so it did.

It just took eight more years than I thought it would.

So I've been on YouTube since 2016,

but I've been full-time at it since December last year.

Okay, it's full-time.

Yeah.

There's a portion there.

Blast me the new motor.

What's different on the new motor?

Faster?

Oh, no, it doesn't have any broken rods in it.

That's the big thing.

That's my big change.

So by default, faster.

Yeah, that one, it's basically the same combo.

It's a Keith Black block and stage five heads

by Eric Hansen who's no longer with us.

And then it's got really good parts inside

and it's been a pretty good motor the last couple of years.

I just kind of forgot it had aluminum rods in it at one point

that got put in there when we were rushing a rebuild

and the steel ones I had didn't work with the new pistons.

We threw aluminum ones in there

and then I forgot and proceeded to put 2,000 miles

and about 140 passes on them.

And in May at the last event I was at,

well, we won the event

when we kicked the rods out of the thing.

So I think I get the motor back on Friday,

which is good because I'll have three weeks

to put it together and test before drag week.

So.

What's the fastest that car's gone?

Quickest it's ever gone is a 852 in the quarter at 161.

I think we can do better this year.

We'll see.

That's moving.

We were talking about how we haven't really met,

but we kind of sort of did in passing at one point

and it was because of that car.

We built it years ago.

We built a 56 gas or it was a cool car,

fast car, but maybe we were like pretty proud of it.

We're walking in somewhere at Vegas.

We're going to dinner and you're sitting over there

and that's me, Josh and a couple other guys.

Josh, go see if he wants to fucking run that thing.

I'm like, that's Finnegan over there.

Like go see if he wants to run that fucker against it.

Like thinking, thinking I'm like bad ass, right?

And you did it.

Did I say so?

Yeah.

And you accepted the challenge.

I'm like, oh, shit.

Oh my God.

That's how I know your face is from that night.

Okay.

That's a pretty fast car.

I'm like, oh, sure.

It was pretty random.

And we were probably all drinking at that point.

Everybody was drunk.

It sounded like a good idea.

And we were like, like I said,

we were pretty proud of the car at the time.

I'm glad we never actually lined them up.

Well, no, back then it probably would have been a better race

because that was.

It had to have been 2017.

No, 19.

19.

2019.

Oh no, you'd have been screwed.

Okay.

2017, that was a slow car.

Like because that car was never going to be a race car.

That was, I was a huge fan of movie two lane blacktop.

Of course.

And I wanted to drive cross country like James Taylor

and Dennis Wilson and just, you know,

street race and drink and just, you know, whatever.

And so this was kind of an homage to that car in the beginning.

And then I, as a border for hot rod,

I went to hot rod drag week one year

and just followed a bunch of just legends around

and saw what they were doing.

And I was like, that is the greatest thing ever.

I don't care about regular track racing anymore.

I want to, I want to go do this.

You know, these guys are MacGyver,

they're way across the country,

fixing their stuff on the side of the road.

And then going really fast.

So I lost my mind.

I just started working on this, you know,

feverishly every day to make it faster and competitive.

And it's just tortured me ever since

because I just can't seem to go faster and faster

without breaking everything that's in that car.

And to be honest with you guys,

this may be the last time I take this thing to drag week.

Like if we win, I think that would be it for me.

I'll, there's a car over here

that I'd like to start putting more of my attention into

because it's been a really long-term project

that I've never finished.

And this one, it's just,

it's one of those things where you can never go fast enough

and it's just going to keep breaking if I do.

So at some point I'll just put it in parade mode

and take my kids to school in it

and stop trying to go quicker every time I take it out.

Yeah, just have a nice street ripper.

I mean, shit, eight fifties, that's scootin'.

Yeah, it's quick.

And you'd got rid of the straight axle in it, right?

I did. I had a little mishap with it

at a drag strip in, I don't know, Ohio, I think maybe.

I had finished a pass, pulled the parachute

and you turn off the end of the drag strip

onto the return road

and normally you pull off to the side

and you stop and you get out and you pick up your parachute.

And at this one drag strip,

when you turn the corner,

there was nowhere to really pull off.

It was just grass on each side of the narrow road.

So I pulled to the left,

the guy I was racing pulled to the right,

we got out, we're bullshitting, grabbing our parachutes.

And I got back in the car and I just let the clutch out

and just bang, hit something.

And I only moved like two feet

so I had stopped perfectly behind,

what kind of ended up looking like a well

and it was a pipe in the grass.

I was about like three feet around

and it was in the grass maybe that far out

and I hit it, I just let the clutch out

and when the front axle hit it,

it pulled this pipe like four inches up out of the ground

and taco'd the entire front of the car.

Like, the axle, it bent the leaf springs.

Like, I get trashed at everything.

And I really don't like doing things twice.

I just, I'm like, what can I learn from this?

And the rules, the way they're written

because gassers used to run A-Arms in the 60s,

you know, they would run stock A-Arms,

front suspensions on these cars.

I said, well, it doesn't say I can't run A-Arms.

So we converted the whole front end

and the car drives so much better now.

Oh my God.

Like you can just let your hands off of it

at 80 miles an hour and it's not wandering

and when you hit a bump, there's no bump steer really.

It's like, it's so much better.

But meanwhile, a whole bunch of people are pissed off

that I took the straight axle off.

Yeah, I've always been a gasser, guys,

since I was a kid, I fucking love gasters.

And I've been a two-lane blacktop fanatic.

So that car, it just speaks to me.

But I know that being a chassis builder by trade,

I know they suck to drive.

It sucks.

So when we did that 56, we engineered a really cool IFS

and tried to make it look as much like a dropped axle

as you could and it kind of gets it done.

And it drove great.

But then my stupid ass, I still have the desire.

So I go out and buy this original 56 gasser from the 60s.

It's a survivor car.

I mean, you may have seen it somewhere.

It says Panama Red on the side of it.

So I bought that car thinking, okay, I need a gasser

and this is going to scratch that itch.

I drove it, I'd say less than an eighth mile just around.

I did one certain parking lot.

Yeah, out of the parking lot around the back of the shop

and that's the only time I've ever driven it.

I've had it for probably six years now.

So I have a question for you.

Now you told all that to me.

First off, I'm really excited for you because that car is cool.

And if you notice in Tulane Blacktop,

that Richard Ruth did something interesting

is the front end of that car doesn't at least

brings it's a four bar with a coil over.

And there's so many people pissed off

that there's arms on this car that I thought,

all right, maybe one day I'll go back to a straight axle

but I'll try it the way he did it with a four bar front end.

Because one of the problems I had with this thing was

I had messed with the steering enough

where the links were parallel to the axle.

Like it didn't have a lot of bump steer,

but it had no travel.

And I thought I did a four bar with the right length coil over.

Maybe I could have some travel and actually make the thing work.

It'll still suck at 160, but it'll whole shot better, I think.

And so maybe if you did that to the front end of your car,

you might want to drive it more.

Yeah, I just needed to find the time and the energy to do it.

But if you have that car,

but you have access to Roadster Shop chassis cars,

like why would you drive that car?

Yeah, there's always something with me

that just chases that raw nostalgia.

You know, I'm like a hot rodder at heart,

so I love having something that can't be replicated.

You can't duplicate the history of...

We need to somehow, one way or the other,

the stars will align, we'll own the green 56 again,

because the green 56 has got a lot of history.

The reason why that thing even got built,

that was George Poteet's car.

That was George's car.

Yeah, so we built George's a couple of cars

and we were on a road tour one of the years

and just bullshitting with George like you do

and talking about cars.

And he's got other stuff in his head.

Well, he says something he said he would always like.

He's always wanted a gasser, right?

He's always wanted a 56 Chevy gasser.

He's got a 56 Chevy down there, 150.

And it'd be great.

He said, but don't think about those things.

You can't do anything with them because you can't drive them.

Right? Well then, of course...

Yeah, I know.

And that's just what it was.

He's like, I really want one,

but if I can't drive it and you can't enjoy it,

it's going to be useless to me.

So then Jeremy got the wallet.

He's like, oh, we can make it drive?

Absolutely. You can drive it on next year's tour.

So then, of course, George is like, all right, we'll do it.

So he came up, him and Mike engineered the whole front end

so it still all looked cool and stuff.

So we thrashed on this car and we had to meet...

We had the tour started...

Salt Lake City, right?

Yeah, tour started in Salt Lake City

and then started headed back east.

And so we didn't bring the car.

We went to the Salt Lake, the first stop.

We went to Ken Diggs and brought his Mustang

and something and told him we just couldn't get it done.

And he was always like, oh, it's not a problem.

You know, don't rush it.

But I could see the disappointment, right?

And because it also was kind of like, yeah,

I knew you wouldn't get it done.

We had it playing the very next stop.

The car was going to be there waiting, right?

So the car is there.

We get to the next stop and he's hanging out.

Well, then we pull it around the back into the front, right?

So one, you can't...

One, you couldn't buy the guy anything

that he didn't already have, right?

You didn't care about a lot of things.

So just see the surprise

because he's never really been surprised

and it was rare.

See the surprise, the smile on his face

and then he just hopped in it

and then we drove it all the way back

across country on the tour.

So drove it the whole way.

And so that was a really cool thing.

And then he would just always send videos of doing nothing

but getting the grandkids out at the farm

and just like burnouts after burnouts

after burnouts after burnouts.

So he just get in it and just in the whole shot.

Now it's gone to another customer,

but one day that car makes its rounds.

That's got lots of stories around and it was fun.

That would be really cool if you got it back.

And to be honest, I didn't really know George.

I have a story that's probably

similar to a lot of people's stories in that.

I was hanging out at Bonneville

and it was nighttime after I think day one.

And I'm at the hotel

and I'm sitting there in the restaurant

with my friend Alana Schur, Brandon Galogli.

And I forget who else,

but there was like eight of us at this table having dinner

and George walked by and I knew who he was.

I just didn't know him.

And he talked to us because he knew Alana real well.

He talked to us for, I don't know,

probably four or five minutes and then left.

And when it was time for us to leave,

we had no bill for dinner because George paid.

And George only knew one person at that table.

He paid everybody's bill just out of the kindness of his heart.

And I've never forgotten about that.

And then I was actually thinking of him

the last couple of days because of the things that happened.

Yeah.

Yeah. And so I wish I'd gotten to spend more time with him,

not so he'd buy me dinner,

but just because I've thought from a distance,

he was such an interesting guy.

Here's the guy who quote, unquote,

probably has everything, the world of his fingertips

and is getting in this coffin on wheels to go 500 miles an hour.

And I wanted to meet him and just find out

what motivated him.

The hell of a guy.

I mean, I've never met somebody that could say so much

and so so little words.

He would give you like life advice

in a single sentence inside of like 10 words

that would just like a novel's worth of information.

And holy fuck, and it just stays with you forever.

It's one of those things that seemed this,

the saying or the statement,

whatever would seem so so simple and even, you know,

not backwards, but it's country.

I got it because I'm country, right?

So you said it and you you think you're like,

oh, yeah, I've heard something similar to that.

And then it kind of registers and you're like, oh, wait.

Oh, shit.

Now I now I understand.

Hell, damn, that's good.

Simple thing is a free lap dance.

I could feel like even.

In his earlier years, maybe.

So the caddy behind you, that's the next.

You said it's been a long term.

I've seen that on on on social media and stuff.

That's a that's a big car to want to want to go fast.

Yeah.

It's a 61 Coupe Deville heavy car because I haven't.

I don't really try to make it lighter.

Like we got rid of the X frame, but then, you know,

we went and turboed the big block that's in it.

And so it was 4770 stock.

And it's probably going to be close to that when it's done.

But it'll be on methanol and it should make enough power

where I can run eights in the quarter mile

and then just go cruise with my friends,

which is really what I want to do.

Like I just built a roll cage for it.

And I went through a lot of hoops to make as much room as I could.

So it you could still fit two or three people in the back seat.

And so I'm really excited about the idea of being able to take my wife and kids out

or go do drag week with my friends.

Because like last week is fun.

And it's a three seater, but you can't fit four people in it.

And I feel like a caddy.

You could you should be able to fit four people.

Oh yeah.

Yeah.

Another chance to help another another mouth to feed and last.

And now that you just make up the weight is not important.

There's so much horsepower is available.

That yeah, you could you can make that.

The power thing though concerns me because it's it's like,

all right, it will make all the horsepower.

But what are we breaking?

You know, how long how long is that rear chunk and drive shaft?

And you joined last, you know, when you try to accelerate 2500 horsepower and 4800.

What rear end are you putting in?

It's got a nine and a half inch ring gear.

It's basically a pro mod looking rear end from quick performance, like a full floater.

So that thing should be pretty good.

And I gotta be honest though, as soon as it runs in eight, I'll be satisfied,

I think maybe.

And then we'll drive it to Vegas, you know, and, you know, 50 15 foot drive shafts

going to be an issue.

Yeah, yeah.

Those are the things that as a novice, those are the things that I'm like,

all right, I learned everything the hard way anyway.

So we'll learn about that.

Like I moved the motor back, but it's still a really long car, you know.

So what size tire?

It's got a 32 inch by 16 inch right on the back.

Big tire.

Yeah.

Trans 4080.

No, I don't think one will live though.

It's got a 400.

I would love to have overdrive, but I don't think it'll live with that much weight.

I bought a transfer from Carl Rossler and he taught me out of the 4L80.

He's like, it will not take it.

It's too heavy, you know.

But I think with a 32 inch tire, because it's going to be turboed.

So we're only going to run like a 325 rear gear.

So it won't 60 foot very good, but it should back half pretty good.

It's going to be coming on like a freight train on the wheel.

I think it'll live for a little, you know.

So let me be fucking red.

I'm going to first enjoy it and then go, oh, squirrel.

What's still on the list that for whatever reason hasn't been achieved yet?

I live in a neighborhood full of car people.

Super cool.

And one of them is a real nice guy named Jerry.

And he's an older guy, super contankerous, really fun.

A lot of good stories.

And he knew I wanted a C2 Corvette.

And he went out and bought one.

He bought like one of the coolest drag and drive C2 Corvettes I've ever seen.

63 split window, small tire car with a 650 cage in it, twin turbo to LS.

It ran bottom sevens like this thing.

And he bought it as a roller for like 50 grand.

Like he stole this car.

And I was like, oh, man, that car is cool, Jerry.

And he put it all together.

And he's like, yeah, I'll sell to you for a quarter of a mil.

And I'm like, no, that's cool, Jerry.

Like you have fun with your car.

I'll find one.

You know, one day I'll get my C2.

And I've lived here for 10 years.

He waited probably five years to tell me he had another one in his garage under a tarp.

But he never showed in the back corner of it.

And under that tarp was a split window, 63 vets.

That's it on a wood cart with no frame, but the interior was complete.

And it had the wrong nose on it.

It's got like a 67 nose on it.

And I was like, holy crap.

And he's like, I'll sell it to you.

So I bought it and I pushed it down the block to my house on the Wood and Dolly.

And I brought it home and I got all excited about it.

And I found a stock frame and I found the IRS because he had that stuff like

out in the woods behind another shop.

And I have all that stuff.

And I've literally not touched this car because I'm like, I don't know what to do with it.

You know, do I hop up the stock chassis and suspension?

Or, you know, do I buy an aftermarket frame?

And I really don't know what I would even do with it because I have a few cars

that you could consider pro touring, mostly trucks, actually.

I have a 67 C10 that is super fun.

It's got a sequential six speed in it.

An LT4 and it doesn't work very well.

Like it doesn't handle very good, but it looks like a pro touring car or truck or whatever.

As long as you've got three piece wheels on it and put a little spoiler on the tailgate.

It looks like it should do the thing.

But the truth is my friends and I built the chassis like 15 years ago

and we used a Ford Expedition IRS.

And we TIG welded dimple dyed off-road sheet metal looking bulkheads to hold the IRS in front and back.

And it's all caged and it looks cool.

But man, it does not work, man.

It's found around corners.

Like the shock valving is all wrong, but it's on hydro shocks

and you can't just turn knob things.

Like they're great.

They lift up and down.

They don't leak.

They're awesome.

But you can't just can't adjust them.

You know, you got to send them back to get them revamped.

So right now it doesn't, you know, it does.

It looks pro touring.

It does not pro touring.

So anyway, I have that in long term.

I'd like to make that thing function.

So I'm like, well, if that's the go around corners car,

what is this Corvette do other than, you know, look cool?

So I don't really know what to do with that.

So I haven't touched it.

It's just that's a good date night car.

That's a good you and the wife date night car.

Make it handle pretty damn good.

Make it kind of quick and make it look good.

And just, I mean, a split window of that is I love them.

I mean, it's it's one of the sexiest cars out there.

We've done them in quite a few different configurations.

But man, those cars, like to me,

that car a little bit stripped down

with some trans am influence, you know,

some road vintage road race influences.

Nobody wants to do it with a 63

because it's too desirable of a car.

But it's the way to do it.

We pitch it.

We've got like a series of render.

I think we've got three different renderings

that are all like shaved, like took the bumpers off it,

did like a steel wheel on it.

Bubble number on the door.

Yeah, a little.

Yeah.

And nobody bites on it.

But that's the way that car should look.

Those people are wrong.

See, I would tell you I pipes, the whole thing.

Yeah.

The car is just wrong enough.

And I don't I don't have any intentions of selling it.

So the resale doesn't necessarily play into it for me.

I would absolutely do that.

Because like trans am racing late 60s, early 70s

is like one of my favorite periods.

Like Mark Donahue is a God.

Oh, yeah.

And Benzky Camaro is amazing.

All that I would I would absolutely do what you were saying.

For sure.

Maybe that's okay.

You just answered it for me there.

Dude, that's I mean, that's it.

That's honestly.

We got to we got to figure out it.

We got a lab.

We got to solve it for you.

I'll send you Chris Gray, our designer.

He did the rendering.

And I can see that just like how the excitement just comes

out of his whole face every time because we pitch it every time.

And everybody wants a nice.

They're always like, yeah, I don't get like the holes in the back glass

and like not the like the the number on the side and not really the side pipes.

They want a shiny nice car, which is fine.

Right.

But that car needs to be built.

So if we're not going to build it, somebody should.

I'll I'll send it to you and build that car that way.

And to be honest, the world, you know, if it's anybody out there,

you guys are great whoever's watching this.

But I don't think the world needs a pro touring 63 Corvette.

I got it.

Got it covered.

You know, you got to push the push the envelope design wise and style.

Well, if you go Trans Am, I'm not a cheap ass, but I'm efficient.

And that's a less expensive bill.

You know, it doesn't matter.

Oh, yeah.

You didn't make it because you could put a toggle switch, just a chrome toggle switch

in place of a $4000 billet one off machine part.

And the toggle switch with the little, you know, warning light.

It's cool.

It's cooler.

It's cool here.

But now we're going to let's go down.

Let's go down the rabbit hole.

OK.

Because we've had these discussions before trying to go down the the stylistic path of

vintage Trans Am and a little more harder core.

Right.

And you're going to have some you're going to have some tape wrap things here.

And you're going to have some stuff here.

And you're trying to recreate what was real.

I mean, we've been to, you know, Bruce Myers collection.

We've been to Canepa.

We've been to, you know, all these places and seen legit, you know, Holman Moody car

that, you know, it ran off the racetrack and now he has it hasn't been touched.

You look at that stuff.

It's almost harder, arguably harder to try and recreate bad ass racing cool than it

is a machined billet thing and a new finish and pro tour.

Because you can't think that shit.

That makes sense.

You got to have the right customer because I racing for me is cooler than

perfection and race cars are never no.

And for me, like, I will go get, you know, from Home Depot, the machinery,

gray spray can and do the whole floor of that thing.

You know, yeah.

And it will like my C 10.

It's it's a there's some nice parts on it.

But it's not, you know, well, it's not a roadster shop build, right?

And the entire engine compartment is machinery, gray spray painted.

And I love it because when it leaks, I don't care, right?

Touch it right up.

You know, so I think you got to have the right customer, I think, to

appreciate what you're talking about, because what you're talking about

billing would be way expensive to make it period correct, looking perfect

and better.

Like that I could see that being way more time consuming and just

getting, you know, pushing a button and seeing, seeing something out of

billet for sure.

You know, put it in a trailer and like bring it places and

the people that fix the dash like in the Home Depot parking lot.

Oh, yeah.

It's it's all about brush brush aluminum and pop rivets.

That's all you need.

Yeah.

But you have to have a little dirt on the tape or dirt on the

leather or dirt and there's going to be some the problem with those cars.

I've always said that they're all cool because they're iconic.

They're not iconic because they're cool.

Like it's not that they were styled so well.

They did awesome things.

And so we look back at it and think it's but from a design standpoint,

you look like the flares real, really and truly look like shit.

You would never start a new car build and be like, you know,

we should square this thing off and then just make it look like a

water wing.

Oh, aluminum, aluminum mirror delete, you know, like bent over aluminum

mirror delete, you would never be able to do what they did.

But when you look at it in a picture like, oh, that's fucking bad ass.

But you couldn't.

I know.

Shouldily recreate that.

Well, our nostalgic memories are always a little warped.

You know, like, yeah, I lived through this recently.

I am I bought back the second drag boat I ever built.

And I won a championship in this boat and I sold to a friend and

probably eight years later, he was like, I'm going to sell it.

I was like, all right, I want it back.

And I bought it and I made a deal for him to meet me in Parker,

Arizona at the track and I was going to race the boat and then

tow it home.

And as soon as I got behind the wheel, I was like, I remember

why I sold this boat.

You know, this is an ill hand.

But in my mind, I was like, oh, that boat is so cool.

It looks so cool.

I need that boat back.

And so, you know, by the time I got home, I was like, yep,

I'm pulling the motor out of the sink and selling, you know.

And so I feel like nostalgia for all those things.

Like, like you said, like the the Penske Camaro, a lot of those

cars are cool now.

But at the time, you know, they were just using whatever they

had and the time they had to do it, you know.

Right.

And like you said, you wouldn't flare fenders like that

anymore.

No, no, you never would.

You got to give in.

Yeah, just, yeah, just do it.

You tell my drag boats, how long have you been doing that?

I've been doing that since 2001, since I met

a cat named Steve Brule.

And you're still here to talk about it.

That's amazing.

Yeah, yeah, well, I won't drive.

I won't drive anyone else's drag boat.

I only drive it if like I wired it, I plumbed it.

I, you know, I build the motor or whatever.

I'll drive that, but I won't get anybody else's stuff

because there's too many things that go wrong.

Like the problem with drag boats is there's no clutch

pedal, there's no brakes, you know.

If a wire comes loose and the motor shuts off,

you're going swimming, you know.

And water hurts it 130 or 40.

16th inch off the water with the thickness of those boats.

Yeah, like they're dumb, but dude, what flips out of that

is I met my wife in my drag boat, you know.

Like I scooped her off the shores of the Colorado River

in Laughlin because I had a cool boat, you know.

A lot of good things in my life have happened

because I had a boat with a big block in it, you know.

That's badass.

Dude, when I, as a kid, my favorite thing

like was the late night and they walked away videos.

Oh yeah.

Infomercial and it was all drag boats.

And it's dudes just, I don't know what makes the driver

get pushed out of the front over the bow.

Like they're like ripping and all of a sudden

the dude just starts like doing the somersaults

over the bow and then skates across the water

and then the boat, you know, hooks off somewhere.

But you're just pulling him out.

Yeah.

Well, the motor shuts off like nine times out of 10.

If the motor shuts off and they're just the boat

comes down, the water grabs the bottom of the boat

and it stops it fast.

And because of the shape of the bottom of the boat

it's going to go right or left.

It's usually not going to go straight.

And when it does that, your death grip ain't keeping you

in that boat and there's no seatbelts

because you don't want to go down with the ship.

So that's why those dudes end up over the boat.

That never translates in the video.

In the video, you don't see it slowing down.

You just see the guy all of a sudden just sling

like a somersault over the bow of the boat

and he's gone.

There's always cool music.

Never the motor.

You don't hear the motor shut off.

And they walked away four.

I mean, you said 2001 because you met a buddy.

I want to know more because that's quite the leap

of meeting somebody to holy shit, now I'm dragboat racing.

Oh yeah.

So this is a fun story.

So my parents always water skied.

And my dad was six, three, two, 30 or 40.

So the only boat that could drag him out of the water

on a slalom ski was a jet boat.

So I grew up in a 18 foot long jet boat with a 455 volts in it.

And I just thought it was normal to sit in the seat

and be able to touch the motor.

I guess it's always been a part.

I was five years old and my dad would

make me hold the choke on the carburetor

while he fired the motor up.

And then we go out to Lake Havasu and go water skiing.

And so I thought that was normal.

But my dad never raced.

Like he never he never modified cars.

That jet boat, I inherited it like 30 years later,

had the stock spark plug wires on it.

Like he's a maintenance.

guy, you know.

So in 2001, I was working at Minitruck and magazine.

I had an assignment that took me out to Miraloma, California.

And I was going to a Dino shop called West Tech Performance.

And big Dino shop in California, a lot of media companies

use them, a lot of magazines.

And so I was had an assignment that took me out there.

And when I walked through the door of the shop,

I see this drag boat sitting in there

amongst all these engines and two Dino cells and all this.

And I was like, that is the coolest thing I've ever seen.

And the guy running the place, Steve Bray, says,

that's my drag boat.

I'm going racing two weeks.

Do you want to go with me?

And I'm like, absolutely.

And so I went with him and it was just needle in the arm.

You know, I was like, I immediately put my boat up

for sale because it was too slow.

And he kind of gave me some pointers.

Like you don't want to race that boat.

You need, you know, this kind of boat.

And so I immediately had, you know, put it up for sale.

And I had, oh, I forgot about that part of the story.

I had just restored this.

This is my dad's boat, right?

I had restored it.

And I had called my dad and said, hey, dad, you know,

I want to come visit you.

So I towed it out to Arkansas

because that's where they live at the time.

And I showed him his restored boat

and took him water skiing.

And at the end of the trip, I tossed him the keys.

And I was like, hey, you know, this is your boat.

I want to leave it here with you.

And he said, no, he's like, no, no, you hold on to it.

You know, you go, I want you to use it.

I'm like, I'm fine.

And I was like, okay.

So I go back home, meet this other guy,

go drag boat racing with him,

immediately throw the boat up for sale.

And like a week after it sells, my dad calls me

and he's like, you know, I'm an idiot.

I changed my mind.

I'll come out and get it from you.

And I'm like, yeah.

No, that was an offer how to shelf life.

Oh man, I was like, oh my God, I felt so bad.

And I couldn't get the boat back.

So I went and found him another one

that was similar, but not quite the same.

And he was okay.

Maybe not a hundred percent okay.

But enough.

He did say he's like, I shouldn't have said no.

It was my fault.

And I was like, I feel bad, but it was definitely your fault.

So long story short, that's how I got into drag boat racing.

And I've just kind of been addicted to it ever since

because it's so fun.

Like there's no windshield.

There's no seatbelt.

I test at my local lake,

which is right around the corner from my house.

And there's no cops.

There's no speed limit.

If you want to turn right, you turn right.

And it's the only vehicle I own

that I can just put a stupid big motor into

and go hammer down with, not going to jail basically.

I love horsepower.

I love tuning motors.

I love building stuff.

But most cars, I can't go put 15 on your horsepower

to most cars and actually use it.

Yeah, right.

Jet boat, you can absolutely use it.

And so that's really what I enjoy about it.

Is there any other jet boats around you in that area?

No, it sucks.

Oh, I moved to a place where it's paradise.

I love it.

But every June, my family, we drive back to California

to go on family vacation to the Colorado River

to go drive one of these jet boats.

And you know, and because that's where

all the hot rod boats are at.

Once you get west of Texas,

there's really not a lot going on

except for pockets of Oklahoma.

I think there's one jet boat on my entire lake.

I've met the dude once in like eight years.

Georgia and Alabama, that's Allison Hulls and a big Mercury.

And they're fast boats, but that's a fast, fast boat

that's humming.

Yeah, it's a lot of pontoon boats and wakeboard boats.

And they're all great.

It's just a different, you know, different vibe.

You know, I've never been on it.

Well, go ahead.

All right.

I've never been on a jet.

I'm a boat guy.

I mean, both boat guys like go fast guys,

but I've never been in a jet boat or a drag boat.

To your point, in the Midwest,

dude, it just straight doesn't exist.

I mean, there's a little small culture

where we've got one little chain of lakes.

Blarney Island.

Yeah.

And they do some drag boat racing.

Oh, I'm going to Blarney Island.

Are you guys gone?

I've been out there.

Ten minutes from our shop.

It's yeah.

Every Thursday night, they have races.

Yeah.

Oh, you know it.

Oh, the videos are legendary.

Yeah, OK.

I'm gone.

Hot Rod Drag Week went past it on a Thursday night

and I stopped and just watched from the shore a little bit.

I had to keep going and keep working.

But yeah, it's a bucket list to go race there.

The reason I haven't...

You don't need to have that on your bucket list.

I can tell you right now.

Let me...

It's a fucking mud pit.

Like at...

The water's rough.

Three foot deep at the deepest.

Most of it's less than that absolute mud pit.

Oh, I didn't know that.

You're probably going to hit like a 1989 arty cat.

Oh, yeah.

You're hit down under the ice.

You're hitting a fucking snowmobile, dude, at like 120.

There's going to be a snowmobile underwater

and you're cranking an 87 arty cat as they call them over there.

And just...

Is that manmade?

No, it's not manmade.

Well, it's a river that's dammed and then it backed up

and turned into a bunch of small lakes.

The arty cat that's there was manmade.

Yeah, all the shit that's in there was manmade.

The OBS Chevy is manmade.

The island is manmade.

I mean, it's like it...

You've never seen anything like it.

It's like Waterworld, right?

It is.

It really is.

It's like a...

Kevin Costner's out there.

Dude, it's like a fort.

Literally like a fort.

The Midwest has just...

Midwest...

I'm going to hurt feeling because that's what I do.

But Midwest...

Please hold back.

Midwest White Trash is...

It's probably about as good as it gets in the whole country.

Dude, you cannot even try...

You cannot compare Midwest White Trash to the South White Trash.

You're going to sit here and say, really?

No.

But what's funny...

You'll see, dude, you'll be out there...

Not even close.

You'll be out there at the same time.

You'll see a dude roll up in a 48 fucking fountain

or like a 32.

I was just out there on a buddy's pontoon boat.

Dude, in a 32 dug right with 450 is just getting it coming by,

which is badass.

There's a 1978 checkmate with a 307.

Exactly.

Yeah.

It's a melting pot.

But at least it's a P-8 around me.

It's literally pontoons and wakeboard boats.

There's...

My wife has a twin turbo 21-foot Eliminator Daytona,

which is a Pickle forked tunnel boat.

Sure.

And we'll take that to...

There's the local bar and grill.

And we docked that thing and we look like aliens.

Oh, I bet.

I bet.

People are just like, what in the hell is this thing?

This is what fun looks like.

You're having fun too.

This is a different kind of fun.

That's all it is, you know?

But I need to...

That's something I need to experience because it's...

My point was that it's like definitely a very West Coast thing.

Like it lives in Havasu and the Colorado River.

You just don't see it out here.

Yeah.

I think that's all because of hot rod culture, you know?

Like when after the war, when everybody came back

and just started pulling the fenders off their 32 Fords and stuff,

when they couldn't race those for whatever reason, you know?

They just started hot rodding boats.

And so all these boat builders popped up in and around LA County.

And drag boat racing was born right there.

Like there's a manmade lake in Bakersfield, California

that was solely built for drag boat racing.

And it's still there to this day.

They still race there.

Wow, that's cool.

It migrated to Texas and pockets of the rest of the country,

but not like on the West Coast, like you said.

Is there a big deal in Phoenix, right by the drag strip,

where they do a manmade lake?

World finals drag boat racing every year.

And every year we hear it's the last one.

And it happens anyway.

But a couple of years ago I was there.

That might have been the last one.

You're supposed to be putting a freeway overpass through there

and so they've drained that lake now.

The drag strip is still there, but the lake is empty right now.

This is a bummer.

How is the hull as important on that as it is on longer go fast boats?

Oh, it's the number one thing.

The difference between going fast or just being safe and not is the hull.

Yeah.

And because it's coming out of a mold that's probably old,

like I have a really good friend that has the same model of boat I have.

He can't get his boat to go A to B under power.

It just won't do it.

And I've literally making a cardboard template off the bottom of my boat,

mailed it to him so we could compare it to the bottom of his.

And even though it came out of the same mold, it's a little different.

And my boat works great.

His boat doesn't work.

It's just weird that no two of these things are the same,

even if they come out of the same mold.

How many whole manufacturers were there of that?

Oh, and it's peak in the late 70s, early 80s.

There were probably over a hundred.

Are you only riding on like the last six inches of that hull anyways?

Probably not on a jet boat.

Yeah, mine, it's got a carbon fiber wing on the spot on the front,

like a canard in between the front sponsors.

And that you can adjust it up and down mechanically

with bolts in the pit before you go out for lift.

No, to keep the bow from going up opposite.

And like you said, your basically your goal is to ride

on the last six inches of the boat,

keep the surface tension and not blow over backwards.

And then you don't want it running wet,

which is more than six inches of the boat,

dragging in the water because it's just not efficient.

Yeah, it's really dumb.

But there's like nine, I nerd out on it

because there's nine things on the bottom of that boat

that I can adjust to make it run more wet, less wet,

all that, like you can really nerd out on this stuff

in the pursuit of making a perfect pass,

which I never have.

Like I've been really fast,

but I don't think I've ever got out of the boat when,

yep, there's nothing left in this thing.

Like it's not going to go fast right now.

Does anybody do like that front canard

that's adjustable almost like a DRS on an F1 car

that as it's getting up,

you can tune it while you're going,

keeps it blown over?

Yeah, yeah.

They're out there and they're really good,

especially with today's EFI and GPS sensors

and G meters, like they absolutely work.

Did you guys see the boat?

This video was all over the news everywhere.

It was in Havasu during a shootout.

Yeah, big cat.

Yeah, it looked fake.

So my buddy was the throttle man in that boat.

Yeah, and he texted me and I was like,

dude, do you not have trash control

or are you using anything in there to pull back power

when this thing just starts climbing out of the water?

I thought you could have like a G mirror around it

and see like when it gets a certain angle that it

turns back.

And they have it and they're refining it

and it works great in cars.

It's just when you put it on a boat,

everything goes out the window when you're on the water.

That water surface is moving every millisecond

and the angle of the boat is changing constantly

and it's hard for a G meter to keep up with that in a car.

It's super easy.

They're so precise.

Like they had at this point in cars,

they call it wheelie control

because they can literally pull ignition timing

based on the angle of the car.

And in the boat, it's harder to do.

Like when you set all that up

and you mount that thing in the boat and it's level

and then you go put the boat in the water

and the boat sits like this.

It's already changed for the boats running.

That makes sense.

It's not simple, but good if you can make it work.

You know what makes those drag boats

a little faster on the bottom?

A little bit of Mr. Zogs.

Sex wax?

Yeah, a little bit of sex wax.

All the school of Mr. Zogs.

Mr. Zogs.

Did that go to the top?

I knew a guy who dimpled the bottom of his boat

like a golf ball.

Yeah, a sharp guy.

I used to work for NASA

and he said that they flipped the boat over,

spent a weekend dimpling the whole thing,

took it to the racetrack

and it went faster,

but they couldn't get it to stop.

You shut the fuck up and it just kept sliding.

To the point where it almost hit the shore.

Yeah, it was too good.

He's like, so we never did that again.

It's like a Christmas vacation

where they spray the bottom of the sled.

What was the name of that word?

How fast are those going

when you make a pass on a jet boat?

If you're just out ripping,

what kind of mile an hour are you seeing

under that boat?

My boat NA goes about 125, 130.

With nitrous, the quickest I've been is 144.

18-foot boat or 20-foot boat?

What is it?

Yeah, 18-foot carbon fiber.

The hull is all carbon fiber.

It's 300 pounds with nothing in it.

You can pick it up and move it around.

No, 160 in Scott's boat was fast.

And that's fucking, what, 48 foot?

Yeah.

Oh wow, that's a big boat to go that fast.

That's cool.

I was like, nope, no thank you.

The other dude that he almost ran over

probably was saying no thank you either.

Well, I wouldn't do it.

I'm a horrible passenger.

Like I'm not getting in your buddy's boat

and letting him take me 160.

Now that's, I mean,

you feel a little bit more safer,

but I'm just saying like that's moving.

I can't imagine.

You don't feel safe at all

because you know, like there's no margin of error.

No, but yeah, you also can't see.

I can't imagine an 18-foot with no windshield.

Yeah, you see everything.

You see everything.

You can see everything.

You can feel it pretty good.

Like the helmet is strapped to your body.

It's tethered to it.

It's got a helmet restraint.

It's not like a Hans device.

It goes around your shoulders and your arms

and it's clipped to the helmet

to keep the wind from pulling the helmet off your head.

And so that if something goes wrong

and you were to get thrown out of the boat

when you hit the water,

the helmet stays on your head.

And then the other things that make you feel even safer

are your life jacket has a parachute built into it

that's tethered to the boat.

So if the boat crashes and you get thrown in the air,

hopefully the shoot opens and you land feet first.

Then you wear Kevlar shorts to protect your gonads

because you don't want to hit the water

and utter 40 feet first

to get the worst enema you've ever had.

Oh yeah.

So you have a lot of safety equipment, you know.

You've got to really feel the speed in that

because then we did it in an MTI.

We've got customers, a good friend of ours,

and we went out ripping and it's,

you're doing 160 but you're in a 48 foot boat

and I mean you're tucked down in that thing.

The windshield, it's going over.

So you don't feel the wind.

You don't really get a sense of the speed.

It feels fast, but in it like an old school

like little speed boat, I mean 60 feels fast as fuck.

So I can only imagine like we grew up with a

16 foot Donzie, the sweet 16 Donzie,

and that boat at 60 miles an hour,

it felt faster than 160 in the MTI.

I bet.

Because you're trim that thing out, you're,

I mean you're sitting, I mean you're just getting blasted.

So that's basically, you're taking that boat

and doing 140.

Yeah.

Well I would love for you to experience it

and if you ever want to,

I'll put you in the safest boat you'll ever be in,

which is mine.

And because that sensation is,

you can't even describe it.

The acceleration is so fun.

You know, like the power to weight is ridiculous.

The motor makes, we're putting one in right now

that makes 1500 NA.

Well, the boat only weighs about 1200,

like fully rigged.

Water would be limited.

So when you punch it, it pulls two Gs during the whole shot.

It goes 0 to 60 in about three and a half seconds

and it goes 0 to 100 in about five seconds.

Like it is so damn fun.

And there's nothing else I get to drive.

Like at 55, it's real close to being the funnest thing I drive.

The jet boat and that thing, for different reasons,

are the same.

But the jet boat, you want to feel alive.

Just mack the throttle and that thing.

It's outstanding.

Yeah.

I got experience.

Is there any cavitation in a jet boat

or is it just constant power and acceleration?

Very little because it's so light.

And this one, it's kind of a unicorn, to be honest with you,

which is the reason I bought it is because it's so light

and it's one of the very few all carbon fiber holes.

It's very strong, very stiff.

It accelerates so damn hard.

They're not all like that.

And so for reference, if you mash the throttle to the floor,

the launch profile in the ignition box

is about 0.08 of a second long.

So your idle 0.08 of a second later,

you're on plane wide open throttle.

So it accelerates really hard.

There's a very...

If you turn the launch profile off

and you map the throttle,

it'll cavitate a little bit and it'll go.

But with the launch profile

and it doesn't cavitate hardly at all,

it just goes forward.

And so you're not worried about the tire spin with that.

It's super fun, dude.

So yeah, if you guys ever want to come down to Jordan.

You can.

I'm coming down.

Yeah, that's fine, dude.

I will absolutely put you in there.

Tomorrow morning, your doorbell is going to ring.

Hey man, remember we did that podcast on that dude.

We did that podcast last night.

So like, I got my sandals on.

I got a towel over your shoulder.

Suntan lotion, SPF 50 or...

I just made a YouTube video

with a friend of mine, Tony Angelo.

He's got a channel called Stay Tuned.

And he had never driven a jet boat before and got him in the boat.

10 minute lesson on what to do,

what the buttons do and everything.

Boom, dude went 108, I think,

and got out of it just shaking from the adrenaline, you know.

But he could absolutely just go race it, you know.

It's pretty safe.

It's pretty basic.

I wouldn't even suggest you getting in it

if I didn't think you'd be all right.

Nice.

So if you ever want to, invitation is there.

I appreciate it.

Maybe when we deliver like, you know,

some C2 chassis parts or something like that.

Yeah.

We'll make a run down there.

Is that, what's the scariest,

hairiest thing you've been behind the wheel of?

Ooh, that's a toss up.

There's, we've done a lot of dumb stuff on Roadkill.

It was probably a Jeep,

a flat fender Jeep that somebody made a home built hot rod out of,

home built the square tube chassis with airbags

and you kind of sat on this thing, like not.

I remember that.

That thing, that thing because it had a traditional body job,

even though he built the chassis,

but the floor and the Jeep was raised up real high.

And so you were kind of sitting on it, not in it.

And the whole time I'm like,

if somebody changes lanes and hits this thing,

because you couldn't, it was so damn low.

You couldn't hardly see it going down the road.

And we drove it a couple hundred miles

and then got to a dirt trail.

And as soon as we got off road about half a mile,

trying to get to this bar,

the whole front suspension broke off.

Because it was, you know, it wasn't a roaster shop chassis.

And so that's probably the,

in the last 15 years,

it's probably the scariest thing I've ever driven.

But as a kid, I built worse shit than that.

So the first thing I ever four-linked was my mini truck.

And I had bought a MiG welder from Sam's Club.

And that thing wouldn't penetrate sheet metal

unless it was shiny.

And I four-linked my truck with it poorly.

And I'll never forget,

I was in Pigeon Forge, Tennessee doing a burnout

and the four-link broke off the truck.

Mini truck and nationals.

Did the rear end leave the vehicle?

Or was it just one side?

No, the wheels were tucked up so high in it

that it just shifted to the right and talked up my head side.

And I pulled into a parking lot

and I'll never forget the editor of Mini Truck

and was sitting there.

And he asked me what happened.

And I told him, he crawled under it,

took one look at the welds

and smacked my hand and said,

put the MiG on away.

And he was right.

So we went to Super Walmart,

bought another welder

and plugged it into the outlets

outside of this restaurant

and just spent the next half hour in the rain

blowing out their circuit breakers over and over again.

Well, I popcorn welded it all back together.

Because at the time I lived in New York,

so I had to get home like, I don't know,

13 hours from Tennessee.

So yeah, we made it home.

And at Walmart, it's basically a rental.

They took the welder back.

Oh yeah, you go back in there and be like,

this thing doesn't work.

This is fucked.

Yeah, no problem.

Yeah, I think about that.

I'm sure you know Sean from Autotopia.

He followed his channel.

Yeah, man.

I think about that every time.

Sean's like a good buddy of ours.

And I love what he does.

And I love watching his videos.

But every time I'm like, dude,

you are like just...

He's so trusting.

I mean, you're rolling the fucking dice, man.

You are rolling the dice.

You are on borrowed time, my friend.

Well, you figure that wrecked, right?

With the dude with the bits and the...

But he'll just hop right into a car

and let the dude just fucking get after it.

I know the video's already been published

and I've probably already talked to him,

but I'm still watching.

I'm like...

Yeah.

Is some of those things that like the home-built stuff,

like what you were doing, that it's...

You don't know, you don't know.

And they're also, he's not just like doing...

He's not doing it for the video of just like,

let's roll around the block and get some rollers.

It's like...

Put it through all the spaces.

Yeah.

Oh, that all it's got?

Like, show me what it's got.

I mean, looping it.

I'm thinking like Hot Riders.

How many times like you've got to be at this show?

We're just going to get it done enough to make it...

Yeah, we've got to be on Autotopia.

Yeah.

That'll work.

Exactly.

You don't know that there was a dude with the fucking Home Depot

flux core MIG gun just like doing the old...

No judgment, but yeah, you don't know.

Yeah.

I know.

Oh, yeah.

That's why I don't...

You'd recommend the Walmart welder over the Costco welder.

Hey, you just got to grind the metal first.

It's just got to be sure.

Yeah, I mean, if you come across a Bright Red Century 110 MIG welder,

just keep on walking.

Maybe that's not the one.

You know, get yourself a nice Miller 142.

You'll be safer.

There you go.

Short of the boat is blasphemy the fastest car that you've driven?

No.

I actually haven't driven very many fast cars,

but my job was a road test stuff at Hot Rod Magazine

when I worked for Freiburger.

And I got to road test a Shelby Super Snake in 2011.

And I went out to a standing mile event in Mojave.

And it went 191.

I didn't know it.

And I got yelled at and thrown out because I was solely...

Wild enough, they tech these things stock with no roll bar to 175.

You get a brand new muscle car.

You can go 175 at a standing mile event with nothing but a helmet

and a long sleeve shirt.

Now I'm like, all right, cool.

And so I had no idea it was going 191, but apparently I did.

And then they threw me out because...

Way more dangerous than 170.

Yeah.

Right.

You've got to walk away at 175, but 191.

Well, I learned like airport runways are not smooth.

Oh my God.

That car was just all over the place.

That was a stiff, stiff riding Mustang.

That's the best thing I've ever driven.

So...

Before we get into standard questions, one other...

We talked to Fryberg about this and you made your living and entry into this career

off of print media.

You were really smart enough for a multitude of reasons and transitioned into whatever

we call this new age of content.

Do you think print media has a place in mass ever again?

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This one goes out to anyone looking to buy a car.

CarMax has all the options.

You like options.

Oh yeah.

Big options guy.

Sure, you'll buy a car once you've seen all your options.

All 45,000 of them.

It's a dance.

Pickups.

Four wheel drives.

They're all options when you're an options guy.

CarMax even has options for how you shop at home online or on the line.

Want to buy your way?

Want to drive?

CarMax.

Yeah, actually I do.

I really do.

I think...

Why do I want to put this?

I don't think it's...

Right now it's very age-specific.

You know, I think a lot of us that are older, you know,

nostalgic and we like to hold it in our hands,

but I do think that going forward at some point,

people that are just consuming everything digitally

are going to get to a point where they're like,

you know what?

I don't want to stare at this.

My eyes hurt.

You know, my back's bad.

My neck's bad.

And if I had this, I would hold this.

And for myself, like that car,

if it wheelied on the cover of Hot Rod Magazine or another magazine,

I would be way more excited about that than all the photos

I've ever seen of this car online, you know?

Like it's cool to see it on this,

but like seeing it spread across gloss pages would just be sick.

I would love that.

And I do think that at some point,

like because I'm already seeing it with niche magazines

that are on really good paper,

large format, like they're more like coffee table books.

Wheel hub, wheel hub, truck hub, they do a great job.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

But by the same token, like when I walk,

you're going to have to figure out a different way to present it

because when I walk into my grocery store,

Newt Track is like this big.

And the magazines, the legacy ones, a lot of the articles are,

well, they're written by the advertisers at this point.

Like there's not a lot of good stuff happening

in some of the legacy titles.

And I think you got to fix that first

in order to get people to actually want to spend their money on these things,

but the problem, like I think you're right.

I question if it will ever go to the Barnes and Noble Books a Million level.

No, I don't think it will.

Like when you come in and have that,

because we talk about it, we talk about it all the time.

I remember it was Sundays.

Sundays was the only time possibly

that we maybe didn't work a full weekend.

And there were Sundays, I would go make it my thing.

By myself, I would go to Books a Million is what we had.

And I would just go in and like it was my time.

You know, I might spend an hour or two hours or so there.

And not buy a single fucking magazine.

I had, well, I had, I had some reason print media is dead.

The shop had subscriptions to most of the magazines

and I was looking through,

but I was also looking at a bunch of other stuff of like,

I might look at some gun magazines.

I might look at some, you know, home design magazines.

I might look at some guitar magazines.

You always find something like scale trains, no model train magazines.

But it would be a time where you're just like,

you know, anything that would pique your interest,

you could peruse through.

And I question if it will ever get to that point.

But where I was going with that is you said,

the content of the legacy needs to get better.

But yeah, it's like chicken or the egg kind of thing of

if, if the market's not there,

why put the money into the better content,

but the better content needs to come before the market's there.

Somebody's got, somebody's got to step up.

The circumstances will have to be right.

Like the kids will have to want it, you know,

and then you're going to have to have to give them a reason to want it.

You know, you got to have more fry burgers working at these places.

You know, you got to have more Mike Gallimis.

You got to have more Alanashers.

You got to have, you know, Brian Scottos.

You got to have people who can tell a story.

And the circumstances, I don't think are right now,

but you're going to get there because like right now forms are dead.

You know, Facebook killed it.

They've been dead for years.

No, Photobucket killed it.

Photobucket killed the fucking forums.

I can still renew my subscription like any day now.

It threatened me all the time.

But like, you know, I read, you know,

because this is, you know, pre-internet or beginning of the internet,

I read Euro turn tuner, import tuner, off-road hot rod,

popular hot rod exterior.

I read everything because I just wanted to learn.

And now it's hard to do that even on Facebook

because searching for stuff is kind of difficult on Facebook.

And there's so many ads that I think at some point

people are going to get burnt out

on trying to get all their information through Facebook.

And the forums are already cooked.

Where else are they going to go?

They might, there might come a period of time

where people get out of their houses and go to a place.

And right now it's happening in record stores,

vintage record stores, you know,

vintage hide right now thing.

Maybe someday vintage magazines become a thing.

And oh, by the way, here's new titles next to these vintage ones.

I don't think it's now.

Like when I moved to Georgia, that was 2015.

And before I left, I went to the Long Beach Swat Meet.

I took all my CDs, all my magazines,

and I said, I put them out.

I'm like, I'm not bringing these things with me cross-country.

Oh, wow.

And I'll never forget.

Sure, that was such a bad idea.

Well, it was.

But the A.N. fittings were gone immediately.

The speech parts were gone immediately.

I was left and I started at a dollar a title.

I got down to a quarter a title.

In the end, I was like, you can have them.

I don't want to throw them away.

I will carry these to your car.

Could not give away CDs and magazines, right?

I brought them with me.

So when you guys come here at some point,

I'm sure you'll be here.

Yeah.

I have a urinal in there behind two swinging saloon doors.

And surrounded on those walls

are my entire collection of tape, CDs, and magazines.

Anything I've ever written is up on the wall there.

And a bunch of stuff I've never written.

I've just read from when I was a kid.

I think at some point, because right now,

my Run DMC raising a hell cassette is worth 30 bucks.

Going to happen to magazines, I think.

Well, it's good because I've hauled those probably 12 totes full of magazines.

First of all, we talked about this before.

How the fuck do magazines weigh so much in a tote?

If you fill a magazine of tote full of magazines, it's 750 pounds.

And I've towed them in probably three or four different moves.

And I still have them.

On my second move, I purged some.

I can't purge them.

But I purge them.

I can't do it.

Don't do it.

You know what you gotta get?

I can't do it.

Forge line wheel boxes.

They're perfect for magazines.

Got the handles in there.

Yeah.

Damn it.

Yeah.

Doesn't make them.

They do have the nicest packaging of any wheel ever.

I still have.

They're the nicest wheels I've ever bought.

So I don't know if there's tears and there's even nicer ones above.

And the packaging gets better.

But oh my God, Forge line stuff.

Forge line and motion race works.

They got it dialed race works.

Packaging is outstanding.

And you get a lollipop when you buy something every time.

Yeah.

It's all good companies.

Like Forge line is great.

We use them on a ton of builds.

And then you get it's like we talk about when we go to Rad Rides by Troy.

All of a sudden there's like HRE, right?

Yeah.

HRE does a different level.

Holy shit.

Like how can it be done that much?

I want to say better.

It's like Forge line.

We use a lot of them.

They're great fucking wheels.

But it's just it's another level.

Right.

It's just nuts.

You know, the quality, the like how the fucking machine work.

Cool stuff.

It's all about the packaging.

Never paid attention to the packaging.

It's always levels.

I just open them up.

Excited to get them.

Standard questions.

Funny enough, brought to you by HRE wheels.

What an intro.

No way.

What an intro.

Almost like it was scripted.

Almost like it was.

But it wasn't.

You guys are very smooth.

We should have it.

We should have a YouTube channel.

We should have a podcast.

All right.

Standard questions.

Couple of different ones.

I think we've we've kind of got a little bit of information.

But probably some more information still to be deemed

if we're going to make any type of guesses.

But first up, I think we probably know the car movie.

But we're going to ask it anyway.

Favorite car movie.

Oh, well that one's easy.

I already told you.

Two Lane Blacktop.

Yeah.

Oh yeah.

All right.

How about the scene?

A horrible movie.

But it's my favorite work.

What's this?

What's the scene that sold you on that movie?

What's the one when you think

Two Lane Blacktop, what pops in your head?

Oh, make it three yards, motherfucker.

And you'll have an honorable view.

An honorable view, right?

Nobody was more than eight.

I usually don't line this Chevy up against a two bit piece

of shit forward.

But yeah.

Hell yeah.

I've never met that dude, right?

And I only know a couple of his songs,

but I watched a couple of interviews with them

after, you know, watching that movie.

Oh my God, was he acting?

Because that is not.

Not the same guy.

It's not the same.

Oh my God.

Well, I didn't even know the movie existed.

Really?

Until until moving up here.

And you said something.

We watched it at your house.

You're like, hey, let's watch Two Lane Blacktop.

I've never heard of that.

And he's like, oh yeah, it's James Taylor.

I'm like, well, I'm not like a big fan.

And like, he's like, well, no, he's fucking cool.

I'm like, yeah, James Taylor sucks.

Like his music is horrible.

Like he's that's a he's like, no.

And then you watch the movie.

I'm like, oh, all right.

Well, he's pretty cool in this.

Like the line, there's so little dialogue.

It's just like 10 words.

That Plymouth had a Hemi with a torque flight.

That's like one of the like one of five lines.

A Chevy block.

Some of the lines are 296, 454.

No shit.

Yeah, they just they're just rambling on mumbling.

Well, like I have the DVD set up for it.

And it comes with it comes with a script

and a whole bunch of commentary and stuff.

And the director would give them a page of dialogue for the day.

They didn't know what the hell was happening in that movie

when they were even in it.

Oh, wow.

And they really did the route.

Like you can go to the film locations and stuff.

And and they were really doing it.

You know, they were towing the cars for a lot of it.

But the the cast and the crew traveled that route.

It's pretty like raw, you know.

Wonder what the director's background was like.

Monty Hellman.

He had done like B movies.

And this is a B movie.

I think he had done nothing any of us has ever heard of.

And it wasn't a horror.

It was something else.

Um, but nothing, you know,

nothing any of us has ever heard of.

You know, a lot of those car movies from back then were,

you know, they're crappy, but they're they're fine.

Yeah.

But they did a good job of capturing like that.

It doesn't feel like a fast and the furious like seven.

It was it.

It's got a sense of realism to it.

That movie, which is, I think, what I like.

Yeah.

I always keep hoping with the next fast and furious,

they'll, you know, they'll make one for.

Bring it back.

Yeah.

I wish they would.

They always, it always Vin Diesel on social media makes it seem

like we're going back, but he says that every year.

So who knows.

And the next thing, you know, we're back into space shuttle cars.

We're in space.

Are they back?

Are they back from space yet?

I don't know.

Now, yeah, they are because they went to space.

And then I think there was another movie after that.

It sucks because we've talked about it.

I mean, probably more than just about anything is fast and furious.

And it is especially in my age and my,

starting career and what we were into and stuff to have that on

the big screen.

And I mean, we had a couple of cars from the shop there in the,

like in the theater, right?

For the big grand opening that night of the thing.

It was just, you're seeing, I mean, forget about all the

little things of like, you know, that's not right.

And that's not right.

Yeah, you can look.

It was, it was 95 percent of like the lifestyle.

And it's like, you've, you came out of there with a

different sense of you made a comment earlier that,

you know, everybody was looking down on, on, on many trucks,

right?

It was, it was, it was like all these are just thrown together.

Same thing was on imports, you know, and still, it still is to

this point, but there was a, there was a little bit of a

sense of validation of the mainstream once that movie

came out.

And you kind of, I remember rolling out with the car club,

you know, and there's probably 20 of us, you rolled

out with a little bit of sense of like we've, we weren't

on in the movie, right?

We had nothing to do with the movie, but it was your

culture that has been put.

I don't know.

It's difficult to describe.

Well, I fired up.

Like, I remember when we left the theater, everyone was

doing burnouts in the parking lot.

And then it's SEMA that year, or maybe the next

year. Oh my God.

How many Hondas were there?

Like, like you said, it validated it.

Like that movie blew up.

It's the reason I can't buy a Mark IV Supra.

Because they're a grand, you know, like it did so

much. And I'm, I'm a fan of like the first three.

And after that, I kind of lost.

Once Fryeberger's Camaro did a wheelie on dirt.

I was like, man, I don't know if that's possible,

dude, unless F bomb.

That was the F bomb, right?

That was a, wasn't that like a 14 speed?

It was a Nelson motor in it, wasn't it?

Nelson motor?

It was.

Yeah.

It was in the fourth one.

Experimental or whatever under the hood.

That was that was cool.

She had back then.

I was on the flip side of the whole thing

during that era, because you guys are talking

about the import stuff.

But I had a big block 69 Camaro.

You know, it was probably about like 100 pounds.

Just like Vin Diesel.

No facial hair.

Like, but I thought it was fucking Vin Diesel.

You know, like, fuck these motherfuckers.

We're going to go race them.

No, I'm going to whoop some dudes asses.

Win some races.

Well, you've got Noss.

Yeah.

I think you fired off.

There's no replacement for displacement.

That's right.

Yeah.

I did have nitrous on that thing too.

Usually we try to make a guess on a first vehicle.

So we asked a couple of questions beforehand

to get some information.

Was your first vehicle a gift or did you purchase it for yourself?

Kind of half and half.

My dad matched the money I saved.

I saved up $1,300.

He matched the rest of it.

Mom and dad.

Sorry.

OK.

You'll never, you'll never guess what it was.

OK.

We probably won't.

California.

We've got about 80 percent success rate.

Oh, really?

Oh, I'm excited.

California at the time.

California.

Yeah.

I was.

What year did you graduate high school?

93.

Oh.

93.

So all right.

You know, 91, you're getting a car.

90, 91.

It might not be able to guess it.

It's.

You might.

A lot of my era.

I got.

I've been having just like wild cards pop in my head.

Put the old wild card out there.

Volkswagen.

Sarako.

Oh.

That's a new car for 91.

That's a new car.

I'm just, I'm just letting it in from my head right on my

mouth.

I don't know.

I would drive it.

OK.

I was going.

Shrakos are cool.

The Volkswagen El Camino.

The Gulf front.

Oh, the Gulf.

Oh, yeah.

The, you know, what was he called?

I know he's called Mark.

It was Gulf Mark something, wasn't it?

Just as he said, I would never guess at that.

I've seen a couple of those recently that were cool.

Fender flares, 14 inch wheels lower.

They looked cool.

But no, wasn't that?

91.

13, 13, 2600.

It was a nice, nicer vehicle.

Can I change mine?

If you want, if you want to change it, you have a redo.

What is it?

So thank you.

OK.

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Man.

I'm really, I'm really all over the place.

Oh, fire.

Because he's had so many different things.

Fire away.

Was it something that you wanted to buy?

Like a car you were?

No.

Okay.

No.

I mean, it was one of those, my dad,

once I got my money together, I was like,

here's what I want.

We went and test drove it.

My dad was like, absolutely not.

That happened three times before I settled on it.

I did that on two different Fox bodies.

Test drove two Fox bodies and he said no to both of them.

I can tell you what he passed on

and might help you figure out what I ended up with.

Yeah, what do you pass on?

All right, give me a hint.

The first car we test drove was a 63 Nova SS,

327 with a power guide.

Dad passed on it because it only had two gears

and he didn't think we'd go on highway.

Because my dad didn't know about cars.

I'm going, this is a complete wild card,

but it's also a Nostalgia.

This is a 76 Monte Carlo.

It's an odd car, dude.

It is.

It's an odd car.

I don't know, I think I was closer

at the Volkswagen's Rock.

You were not.

What do you got?

You got a second?

No, it's fizzled out.

All right, I'm going Monte Carlo.

What was it?

You nailed the year.

76 Camaro, beige.

Refit you with four speed.

Damn.

You were in the year 76 Camaro.

You said Berlinetta?

No, it was the Berlinetta.

What the hell was it?

RS.

No, it had a spoiler and it had a 350 two-barrel

with a four.

No, it wasn't a two-barrel.

It was a quadra junk and a four speed.

A little hot, right?

Dark brown interior.

I think it was an LT with a brown interior,

tannish brown interior.

Like the dash was dark color, but the seats were tan.

And the only thing cool about that car

was it had big back tires, skinnies in the front,

and a four speed.

And then the tires went flat the first week of school.

But I didn't have any money

and I ended up on unroyal Tiger paws

that didn't look cool at all.

They were tiny and suddenly

that car wasn't nearly as cool as it was

when I bought it.

Tires, right there told you everything

about tires and stance.

Bigs and littles.

Tires and stance.

Yeah, that car went from looking tough

to like mean all with flat tire.

Your most, I'm sure you've had many,

but your most memorable law enforcement interaction story.

Oh my God.

I left the house party on my way to work.

Is this the most memorable one?

Shit, I don't know.

Must be a good party if you're leaving

and then going to work.

I left the house party on my way to work

in my mini truck.

And at this point it was,

I was living in New York, was going to college.

I was working at a mall installing car stairs.

And at that point, I had shaved the door handles

on the truck.

It was it was Caltrans orange

because that's the thing I could afford at Napa.

It had a roll pan and it was on airbags at this point.

And I get pulled over on the way to work

and I get arrested because when I moved there,

like the day I moved there,

I got a speeding ticket

and I didn't understand how computers worked back then.

Yeah.

I was like, they won't, they won't find me.

Give my California license.

I immediately the next day I get a New York license.

Didn't realize they had scum mods,

you know, and six months later I had a bench warrant.

Didn't know about it.

And I got pulled over, arrested.

They left the truck on the side of the road.

And by the time I got back to it, it had been towed.

But the airbags had leaked all the way down.

And so when the dude drug it up on the tow truck,

it ripped the roll pan in the back.

The window was busted

because they couldn't figure out how to get into it.

Because the door handles were shaved.

Like it was a, it was a thing, man.

That's probably the most memorable in terms of negativity.

That was the most negative interaction I've ever had.

I had a lot of other ones.

The license plate in the tailgate going east side, west side.

It was in the tailgate, recessed, but it was flush.

It was off to one side.

Like I kept it classy, you know.

Yeah, square and legit.

The spinning one.

Yes.

Yeah, so I got it, I got it sent to me.

Spencer sent it to me yesterday.

Yeah, he's got it full countersunk 360

and then it's on a motor and it's spinning.

Oh, that's cool.

Yeah.

Oh, like James Bond.

That's cool.

No, spinning, you're spinning around, not rotating.

Oh, it was doing this?

Yeah, it was doing this.

Oh, that's kind of cool, actually.

Uh, the bench warrants I laugh at because

I thought, I still probably to this day think the same thing.

It's amazing the, the records that they can keep up with.

And then the things that they can't handle.

Like you could call them a hundred times at that three foot

deep sinkhole and they act like they've never heard about it.

Right.

But a ticket for five over, you know, a year and a half,

you know, ago, they're gonna, they know exactly who you are

and where you live.

And yeah.

And the things they care about and don't care about,

always interest me.

Like here's another interaction.

I'm towing my C10 to a truck show in Lake Paris, California.

And I'm using the company trailer, which is a three axle

heavy duty trailer that off-road magazine owned at DOT.

That's a CDL, right?

That's a CDL.

Big money, big money.

One car trailer, but it's got three axles and it has six

lug axles, right?

And I'm towing it behind a tundra, just squatted.

And all of a sudden I feel the truck waggle and I look

in my side mirror, just at the time, one of the wheels

on the left side of the trailer exits the chat, crosses three

lanes of traffic, hits the side door of a black RAV4, up on

the roof, down the front of the RAV4, changes direction, comes

back, punches the grill, the radiator, the hood, everything

smashes the windshield, just destroys this thing.

And we all stopped.

Like there was a lot of traffic.

We all slowed down and stopped.

And I'm like, oh my God, I'm going to jail.

I just totaled this car.

I'm sitting there and I call 911.

And while I'm on the phone with 911, the RAV4 with a flat

tire just bones out.

The limited windows just takes off.

And I'm on the phone and they transfer me to the cops.

And I explain what's going on.

And the cops are like, so you were driving on the road.

You got a flat tire in your trailer.

Everything's fine.

You're fine.

You're going to get your tire fixed and you're going

to go home.

And I'm like, yes?

I'm like, but what about the, they're like, what about what?

They left, right?

I'm like, they left.

He's like, then there's no problem.

And I was like, okay.

And he's like, limo tinted windows and they took off.

They're probably not here legally.

I was like, oh yeah, okay.

I can get it now.

And so you're not going to send anyone out here

to take a report?

No, we're not, we're not taking a report.

I was like, okay, play on player.

And so I pull off the highway and, you know,

went and bought some wheel studs and a tire and, you know,

the funny stuff they care about.

Yeah.

The things that are of importance.

Yeah.

Best piece of advice you've ever received.

If you knew tomorrow that you weren't going to be able to play,

how would you play today?

That's good.

It's really good.

Yeah.

I like that.

I like that a lot.

And explains the drag boat racing.

Yeah.

Right.

It might not be it tomorrow.

So get it.

But today is going to be awesome.

Love it, man.

Dude, this is absolute amazing time.

Oh, I'm having a great time with you guys.

Yeah, had fun fucking hanging, dude.

Yeah.

Next time we'll do it in person so I can drink with you.

We have to do it in person.

Yeah, we'll come by, we'll do some drag boat runs,

and then come do it out by you.

I would love that.

Recording in progress.

Sorry.

Yeah, we got to hit it, man.

We're like mobilizing a little bit here and there.

We got, you know, we've done a handful of...

Yeah, we got a California trip coming,

but we need to plan a plan that's, yeah, Southern trip.

For sure.

Oh, yeah, maybe you could record with other people around here.

I know you've had Fuller on, but he's not far from me.

In that area, right?

Yeah, we need to go fuck with Fuller anyway in his home turf.

Yeah, definitely.

I haven't been to his shop.

He's getting older, too.

We probably need to do it while he's got some time left.

Yeah, it'd be like a gene field scenario.

Yeah, he might not be playing tomorrow.

Mike, it's been great.

I appreciate it.

You're going to Woodward next week, right?

Or this weekend?

Next weekend?

Weekend, yeah.

That's going to be fun.

Oh, man.

Yeah, Roadkill Night starts Saturday, August 9th.

I don't know when this comes out.

I don't even know if I need to even say it, but...

It doesn't matter.

We're talking about it.

I don't know when it comes out, either.

Super fun.

I can't believe we'll race on Woodward.

We're supposed to go out there for a day.

We are.

We're going to go out for the Dream Cruise.

I think that's the 11th or 12th or something like that.

Yeah, this thing kicks off the Dream Cruise.

I think we're going on the following weekend.

Yeah, dude.

Whatever it is.

Have you ever been to Dream Cruise?

No, we haven't.

That's why we've never been.

Outstanding.

Keep here and keep here and our arms have been twisted to go.

Yeah, it's only as stones throw away from here.

Yeah, it is.

If you've got an arm.

You can't chunk a fucking stone that far.

It's a stupid statement.

It's a five-hour fucking drive.

I'll throw it over those mountains.

You're not throwing it.

It's like, you don't know.

It's our neighboring fucking state, dude.

It's right next door.

Maybe he skips the stone, you know?

Yeah, that's the way.

Skipping a fucking cross like Michigan.

You can't skip a stone either.

He's spent a lot of time skipping a stone like Michigan.

Ever seen.

Mike, it's been awesome.

We'll have to set something up.

Are you going to be at SEMA this year?

I will.

I think I'll be there.

I'm going to go to the SOSA Metalworks Party.

Oh, yeah.

That's a good great time.

Great party.

Cool fucking shop.

I haven't been to it, but a guy from Hemmings called me

and said the theme this year is drag boats.

They're going to build a swimming pool in that shop

and stick my boat in it.

And I'm like, hell yeah.

Now that's fucking cool.

Yeah, that is a badass party.

Dude, it feels like we've gone on two years and you go.

Dude, it feels like it's out of a movie.

It's like a movie.

It's a great time.

Great time.

It's bitching, man.

Cool show.

It's like a Fast and the Furious one scene.

Exactly.

There's like a fire going.

There's like people like sitting out

and all kinds of badass stuff.

They should be filming a movie there.

Yeah.

Oh, dude, that's cool.

Yeah.

Well, maybe I'll see you guys there.

For sure.

We'll see you out there.

See you soon.

Appreciate it.

Thanks, man.

Good hanging.

Thanks.

Talk to you, man.

Thanks.

That was a good time.

Yeah, it was short on recording on that.

I'm a little scared.

A little scared of how that happened.

What's that?

The recording started flashing.

I don't know when.

I've been checking on it and it wasn't doing that earlier.

So it's just running low on space, right?

No, when it starts flashing like that means it's

didn't get it to that, but it should have got it to these.

And it should have got it to that.

Just a little more work on the alias part.

We've got redundancies in the systems.

Sounds good.

That's backups for those that don't know.

For somebody that says they can throw a fucking rock to Michigan.

Yeah, he's making fun of you.

Yeah, I'll come across this fucking table.

That I can do that.

That's not too far for me to come across that fucking table.

Nice.

You should have said that earlier.

I'm saying it.

No, we're live.

We're still recording.

But it's not near as funny.

That's fun.

It's equally as funny.

70% less funny.

Yeah, I chuckled.

Yeah, Phil laughed.

That was really that was actually really fun.

I feel an intriguing guy.

I've always wanted to talk to him.

It's crazy that we've never crossed paths.

Right.

Oh, he's pretty cool.

Yeah.

But I feel like he might have thought that we were pretty cool.

We'll see.

Maybe we'll see what he tells.

Let's ask Fuller.

That sounds like he's like, hey, do you think we're cool?

So what did you talk to?

I mean, did you say anything?

So yeah.

So what did he say?

What's up with you, man?

We got back into the before we wrap this up,

we got back into the old Dominic tonight.

We did a tasting a couple episodes ago.

I was not here for that.

We did.

Yeah, you were not here.

Wait, where were you?

You weren't here?

Depends on which podcast it was.

You weren't here, though, right?

No, was it Pickleball or?

Did you get Svetsen?

Svetsen Jorgensen.

Svetsen Jorgensen from Sweden for the Pickleball team.

Oh, he had an ACL injury.

We couldn't.

Well, that's something you guys can talk about.

Yeah, you should bond it over that.

That's the reason you're coaching.

Oh, it was your MCL.

I don't remember.

I hate you guys.

So we got back into the old Dominic to try it a little bit more,

and it holds up.

It's good.

It holds up.

Well, that's the first time you're dipping into it.

So I was a fan.

Yeah.

Very, very good.

It's really good shit.

Yeah.

We are going to have to we got an invitation.

We're supposed to we need to go down and tour their facility

there in Memphis.

They got it.

They redid the distillery in the downtown.

They got a cool bar and shit like that.

Yeah.

I love it.

Yeah, I like great story to what's different.

Drinking it.

So last podcast, we drank it.

It's like you're going into it.

You know, you're drinking it.

This podcast, you're just kind of pouring it.

And it's just something that you're sipping on.

And it's it's killer.

It's got that spice like cinnamon spice,

but not too overpowering.

Yeah, exactly.

Not to a level that's like too Christmas.

Yeah.

Borderline like rye ish.

Yep.

But not overpowering and kill you.

Yeah.

If you this is a not only it's a buy it,

now we're upgrading this to find it.

Yes, I wouldn't.

I would agree that we left it as we kind of toss the rating scale

because we we lost the like the baseline.

We haven't rated stuff in a while.

And we just resorted back to the buy it.

But I agree with you.

It's now it becomes a.

Yeah, you should go find it.

This is the this is the old Dominic eight year.

This is a limited but it's it's out there.

Also they have in their repertoire.

They have they have all kinds of other

Bermans and other liquors.

That just pure.

They have they that's not the only thing they sell.

But that's I'll tell you that.

That's not the only thing they sell.

No, they do have they've got vodka and gin.

And they've got three or four other bourbons.

And this is their age one.

This is their first eight year.

The other ones are I think a blends of like four and fives.

This is their first one that's just just now recently.

If you're listening to this, it's literally just launched.

Are they in like regular liquor stores?

Can you get that at like a Garfield's beverage?

The liquor stores that sell them.

You can buy on it 100 percent.

Really?

Yeah, the ones that carry them.

Well, then be on the lookout.

Yeah, you can go to.

I don't want to send people on a wild goose.

No, you can go to Old Dominic dot com.

And you can find the distribute.

You can also buy from them online.

You can actually purchase from them.

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Nothing in the pickleball world.

Really?

Yeah.

Nothing in the pickleball world.

Damn.

Any hot prospects?

I fucking hate both of you.

The amount of people that came up to me at Columbus.

It was awesome.

Like legit, with Jesse from Loose Guy and Walkside.

I forgot about it too because he's like,

oh man, are you really like you're in the pickleball?

What?

Yeah, like, so how's that going?

What are you talking about?

I even had to be like, what?

I was like, oh, yeah, I forgot.

Yeah, he's super into it.

I forget a lot.

I'll be like, I forget a lot of the things I say,

but I believe it's been presented

in a very believable fashion.

This last story?

Yeah, I think so.

Oh, yeah.

But the thing is, nobody really knows.

We even don't know.

No, we don't.

I was on vacation in Florida with my family.

We don't know that for sure.

There's pictures I will show you.

The AI?

The shit you can do with AI nowadays?

I saw a picture of a cruise ship

in the Arctic in like seven feet of ice.

With a Hellcat doing donuts?

Yeah, I saw an ultima go through the side

of a plane in the air.

I saw an ultima on the moon.

You can't, that doesn't hold up.

There's no way for us to know.

I'm not that good of an AI.

Go to oilandwhiskey.com.

Get your oil and whiskey merch.

Got some new stuff dropping here soon.

Go to Old Dominic.

Do you even know those pens?

And get your pens?

Yeah, the pens.

And you missed out.

I think they're sold out.

I'd like to see it.

Can somebody post a picture that I want to see somebody

wearing the OW shirt that looks not like that?

Like that maybe looks a little bit better.

It's not the best representation of the oil and whiskey.

Do you think that's hurting sales?

I don't think it's helping it.

Honestly, I'd like to maybe we cut that out

and we just have Elia do a little B-roll

of just the T-shirt.

Maybe just the shirt, not that shirt on you.

Just we could put it right here, use the camera.

Do you think Cousin Mikey wears it better than Josh?

Honestly, he probably does.

Okay, now people know you're stupid.

That sounds fucking retarded.

Cousin Mikey's like a T-shirt kind of guy.

He's the kind of guy that's like, this guy wears a lot of T-shirts.

He's the kind of guy that takes his T-shirt off

after he gets too drunk.

That's the type of guy Mikey, because of Mikey is.

That's the guy that sands T-shirt after four beers.

That's the kind of guy I want wearing an OW shirt though.

That's about to take it off.

Yeah, because he's going to buy another one.

That's repeat sales.

Go to Old Dominic and get your eight-year reserve bourbon.

Go to HRE Wheels.

Go to weathertech.com.

Weathertech's great.

We were talking about this the other day.

You need to go to Weathertech if you're planning on going to road tour.

All kinds of cool stuff you can stock up on.

Phil's a big cup phone guy.

Phil converted.

Phil made me a cup phone guy too.

I started seeing, they got like universal bed mat stuff

for like the square bodies and stuff for the road trip stuff.

Better than me taking the one with my brother.

I'll tell you what, if you want to save your interfenders.

Don't bring the classic car studio guys with you.

We could thank, you know, Charles brought a really nice cooler.

Like they've got these beautiful soft Yeti coolers nowadays.

I had my shitty cooler, which is cool.

It's got some heritage.

We've brought on a bunch of road tours.

But you strapped it down.

I strapped it down.

It's not all his fault.

I guess I should have strapped it down.

But he brought like a fucking ice chest, like a vintage,

it's like a Viking chest.

And it bounced, it bounced itself around a little bit back there.

And it, that old metal isn't as thick as you think.

So the old fucking interfenders.

Yeah.

The old RS legend trucks going to need some metal work

in a repaint of the, the inner bed sides and inner rear wheel houses.

But yeah, it's an accident truck that get one of those.

No problem.

Yep.

Dude, do you think we should have a road tour, like reunion episode?

Yes, that's a great idea.

That would be pretty cool.

That's a very good idea.

What type of reunion?

Like a podcast.

Everybody that was on a week ago.

Everybody was on the road tour.

Couple, we will give it give it a couple more weeks

and then it'll be a reunion.

But it needs to, but we're not doing it for us to hang out.

We're doing it for everybody to listen to the stories.

It needs to be, it needs to be a little bit more timely.

Like we're going to tell the stories of things that happen

so people can hear about it.

It was just an idea.

I think let's go up to, it's just a stone's throw away.

We go up to Cousin Mikey's.

Dude, that's a plane's flight away.

It's a plane's flight.

It's right over there in Michigan.

We can take the ferry.

Take the ferry, dude.

Oh, we're going to meet at Cousin Mikey's and do an episode there.

I know, Jared nailed it.

The coolest thing about Cousin Mikey is his.

Barn.

100% dude, apps are fucking loosely.

Yeah.

He's got a great.

His wife's pretty cool too.

Really?

Yeah, she's fine time.

I don't believe I've met.

Yeah, you've partied with her in the parking lot at Columbus.

Maybe I might have partied a little too hard

that I don't remember.

Probably.

So we go to, we go to Cousin Mikey's house

and we do an episode there and we do a reunion

for everybody who's on the tour.

I'm in.

Or we can zoom people too from there.

No, I'm in.

There's a technology that's available.

I think that's a good idea.

Lobster Dave to ship in some oysters.

But he's done.

He's done.

The only problem is,

I know, but he's done enough.

We can do that start.

We can do that, but it might be a little self-serving

because I think you told me that when you look back,

you have access to some of the metrics.

And I believe you look back to let me know.

Then when we turn shouldn't have been told the microphone

over to Cousin Mikey, although I enjoyed it

because I get kind of a kick out of him.

This is bad.

It was the not the not the strongest performing.

We're not the strong.

What's the opposite of the strongest?

Would you say?

Not the strongest.

Let's just go in.

He, how about this?

He wins at the worst podcast we've ever done.

Yeah.

Well, there's my metrics.

I think we may have just got uninvited.

It depends on how you look at it, though,

because one way you could look at it is a golf score.

Less people listen to his podcast

than have listened to any of the other podcasts.

I like your, I like the way you're looking at it.

Golf score.

Yeah.

You try to get the lowest.

Yeah.

He definitely, he got the lowest.

He birdied it.

He eagled every hole.

All right.

You've never seen a score this low.

All right.

It's, it's the best score.

He's the Tiger Woods podcast.

Yeah.

Okay.

I got you, Mikey.

Got it.

Well, let's set it up.

I think tonight's a golf night,

which would also be a drinking night for Mikey.

We need redemption.

We don't, he does, he needs redemption.

We'll do this one.

This will be YouTube.

It'll be live.

We'll video, we'll get the garage.

A lot of video, a lot of fucking B-roll.

That'll help straighten things.

The garage is cool.

Yeah.

All right.

We're going to, we're doing it.

Set it up, dude.

Nobody else knows about this.

We're talking about it right now.

This all stemmed.

We veered wildly off track from Phil talking about

how good of an idea it is to get just a WeatherTech mat

to go in the back of your truck.

Yeah.

Truck.

Muscle car.

If you're doing a road tour, it literally,

what you put on it, it stays right on it.

Even ripping through that, what was that?

Washington.

Mount Washington.

Yes.

I mean, really getting after it.

Stuff just stays.

Ideally, you want to get the full size mat

that fits the truck, not take the one out of my Bronco

and put it in a truck.

Yeah.

Turn that doesn't fit.

But, well, it's significantly smaller,

so you just got to keep things very short.

The alternative is that you can absolutely

fucking Pantera the shit

out of your mint square body bed.

And wheel houses like mine.

But we got a body shop.

Dude, that thing hasn't been mint for years.

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