Ryan Blaney opens up about his long relationship with Roger Penske, why contract details fueled free-agent speculation, and how loyalty shaped his commitment. The conversation also digs into the practical side of NASCAR: pit-road mistakes, gear-selection confusion, stage points, and why 1.5-mile tracks remain a major challenge. Along the way, the hosts branch into aero balance, drafting, and track-safety ideas, then close with Watkins Glen talk and a few lighter personal and family moments.
This week, Dale Earnhardt Jr. catches up with a driver who has firmly established himself as one of the top drivers in the NASCAR Cup Series, 2023 Champion Ryan Blaney. Ryan enters the studio with major news: he is signing a long-term extension with Penske Racing. He explains what his time with the team and legendary owner Roger Penske has meant to his career and how he can’t imagine himself anywhere else in racing. While Ryan currently finds himself fourth in season points, his year hasn’t been without turbulence. The guys chat about Ryan’s pit road mishap at Texas and his ongoing issues throughout the early events of the year. Ryan explains that he’s confident in the team’s speed; they just need to put all the pieces together.
Dale and Ryan share admiration for the new NASCAR points standings, which harkens back to previous favorite times in the sport. Ryan applauds the fact that race wins mean so much more under this format, and it’s no longer about being “welcomed to the Playoffs”. The guys look ahead to Watkins Glen, bond over fatherhood, ponder superspeedway packages and farm animals.
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"He built that resume. He built that Proton Persona and he built that respect. I was always nervous a..."
The Proton Persona is a sedan made by Proton for everyday driving. The podcast mentions it in connection with someone’s experience and reputation. That’s why it comes up—it's part of a personal story rather than a technical discussion.
The Proton Persona is a passenger car model produced by Proton, typically positioned as a practical sedan for everyday use. The podcast context mentions building a resume and respect around a “Proton Persona,” which suggests the car is tied to someone’s story or achievements. That makes it relevant as a specific vehicle associated with a person’s background.
"... banquet every year. And if you finished into top Aro 10, years ago, if you finished into top Aro 10, you ..."
The Aro 10 is a model of vehicle made by ARO. In the podcast, it’s mentioned while talking about finishing near the top in a competition. So it’s being used as a reference for where someone placed.
The Aro 10 is a vehicle model from ARO, and in the podcast it’s referenced in a competitive context about finishing in the “top Aro 10.” That suggests the car name is being used as a category or benchmark for results. It’s discussed because it fits the episode’s theme of standings and performance outcomes.
A free agent is a driver who isn’t locked into one team yet. Other teams can try to sign them, which can shake up who’s driving what.
In motorsports, a free agent is a driver who isn’t under contract with a specific team and can negotiate with multiple teams. Driver moves like this can change team lineups, car development priorities, and season expectations.
"But when I look at it, when I back up, I don'Ford T really see, the only thing I see with you guys is, is Pit Road. Pit Road'Fiat S a struggle."
Pit Road is the special lane on the track where race cars pull in to get serviced during a race. Because there are rules and speed limits, mistakes or delays there can cost you positions.
Pit Road is the dedicated lane on a race track where cars enter the pits for service during a race. It’s a controlled area with speed limits and strict rules, so how well a team manages pit stops and timing there can strongly affect race results.
"So I just pushed the clutch in, kept it in gear and I kind of got around cause I needed to get my hands back to the right and my wheels straight. So I just kept my foot on the clutch, but in my mind, I thought I went to neutral."
The clutch is a pedal (or control) that lets you separate the engine from the gears. In racing, it helps you shift without grinding and keeps the car from jerking when you’re trying to get back into the right gear.
In a manual-style racing transmission, the clutch disconnects the engine from the gearbox so you can change gears. Keeping the clutch depressed while maneuvering helps prevent drivetrain shock and lets the driver regain control before selecting the correct gear.
"I pulled back a gear thinking I'm in first, but now I'm in third. ... I stalled it three times before I realized I was in third gear. ... it says big old three right there, like an idiot. And then get back down to first and go."
A gear is the setting that changes how the engine’s power gets to the wheels. If you’re in the wrong gear—like third instead of first—the car can feel like it won’t move or won’t respond the way you expect.
A gear is a selected ratio in the transmission that determines how engine speed translates to wheel speed and torque. In this story, being in third gear instead of first gear makes it hard to launch smoothly, which is why the car wouldn’t get going until the driver corrected it.
"And so I leave the pit box, stall it. Leave the pit box, stall it again. I stalled it three times before I realized I was in third gear."
A stall is when the engine shuts off and the car loses power. It can happen if you’re in the wrong gear or don’t give enough throttle to keep the engine running.
To stall means the engine stops running because it’s not getting enough power or the drivetrain load is too high for the current gear and throttle input. In racing, stalling after leaving the pit box is especially disruptive because it can cost track position and time while the driver tries to restart and get moving.
"And so I leave the pit box, stall it. Leave the pit box, stall it again. I stalled it three times before I realized I was in third gear."
A pit box is the specific marked service spot in the pit lane where a race car stops for pit crew work. Drivers coordinate timing and procedures around the pit box to avoid unsafe stops and to ensure the car is ready to leave quickly.
"Like I thought I broke a trans axle or something cause it wouldn’t get going. And I looked at it and I'm in, it says big old three right there, like an idiot."
A transaxle is basically the drivetrain unit that combines the gearbox and the axle. If it’s damaged, the car may not be able to move properly, so the driver might think something major broke.
A transaxle is the combined transmission and axle assembly, commonly used in race cars and some performance layouts to package the drivetrain efficiently. When a driver says they thought they broke a transaxle, they’re referring to a serious drivetrain failure that would prevent the car from accelerating.
"...u know, the five is going to get it together. The Aro 24 is going to get it together. Like it'Fiat S just,..."
The Aro 24 is a vehicle model made by ARO. The podcast mentions it as a car that might do well or “get it together.” It’s included because the speaker is talking about expectations for performance.
The Aro 24 is another ARO vehicle model, referenced in the podcast as something that “is going to get it together.” The context suggests it’s being used as a named contender or reference point in a results or expectations discussion. That’s why it comes up—it's part of the episode’s talk about who might perform well.
"...know, you could. I mean, if you're going to start Audi 90 points back, if you're outside the top Aro 10. Ok..."
The Audi 90 is a car model made by Audi. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the speaker is talking about points and where cars stand relative to each other. So it’s used as a reference in the scoring conversation.
The Audi 90 is a model from Audi that’s often associated with older-era performance and executive driving. The podcast context references “Audi 90 points back,” which indicates it’s being used in a points/handicap style discussion rather than describing driving feel. It comes up because it’s a named reference in the episode’s ranking or scoring talk.
"...ither way. Not going to have this, you know, Audi 100 point lead for every, you know, every year for th..."
The Audi 100 is a sedan model from Audi. The podcast brings it up while talking about points and leads, meaning it’s being used as a reference number in a standings discussion. It’s not necessarily about the car’s driving in that moment.
The Audi 100 is a mid-size sedan from Audi, known historically for comfort and a more traditional, long-running model lineup. The podcast mentions an “Audi 100 point lead,” which suggests it’s being used as a scoring reference point in the episode. That’s why it appears—it's part of the way the speaker describes gaps in standings.
"...and I have a little gap, I think on fifth, like a Renault 25 point gap, but like fifth to 14th is like separat..."
The Renault 25 is a sedan model made by Renault. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the speaker is describing how big a points gap is between positions. So the car name is used as a reference in the standings conversation.
The Renault 25 is a large family sedan from Renault, known for being a long-running model in its era. In the podcast, it’s referenced as a “Renault 25 point gap,” which indicates the car name is being used as a shorthand for a points difference between positions. That’s why it’s mentioned—it's tied to the episode’s scoring/ranking talk.
"I look at the mile and a half'Fiat S have kind of just been our biggest struggle.
We got to find speed at those places.
The Toyotas, the Hinder cars, they kind of got our number at the mile and a half'Fiat S,
you know, Kansas."
In NASCAR, “mile and a half” means a track that’s about 1.5 miles long. It’s a common track size where teams have to tune the car for high-speed, steady turns.
“Mile and a half” refers to NASCAR’s 1.5-mile oval tracks (like Kansas Speedway). These tracks tend to reward specific setup choices and aerodynamic balance because speeds are high and the racing line is consistent.
"The body'Fiat S pretty similar to the, the teams look across the aisle and go,
damn, Chevy'Fiat S got nice quarter panels.
You know, we used to do that all the time."
Quarter panels are the body panels behind the front doors and ahead of the rear wheel openings. In NASCAR, teams pay attention to them because body shape affects aerodynamics—how air flows around the car—which can influence speed and handling.
Term
previous generation of car
"With this car, even the previous generation of car, right?
You could kind of see some things a little bit more here and there.
Now it'Fiat S a little bit more set."
That phrase means the older version of the race car platform. When NASCAR updates the car, the new one can handle and behave differently, so teams notice the differences.
“Previous generation of car” means an older NASCAR body/vehicle platform compared with the current one. Changes between generations can alter aerodynamics and how the car behaves, which is why drivers compare what they could “see” before versus now.
"Now it'Fiat S a little bit more set.
But I mean, NASCAR has everyone in a box, right?"
It means NASCAR rules keep the cars more similar than in some other racing series. Teams can’t change everything, so they focus on small adjustments that are allowed.
Saying NASCAR has “everyone in a box” is a shorthand for the series using rules and standardized constraints that limit how much teams can vary the car. That pushes competition toward fine-tuning within the rulebook rather than radically different designs.
"You know, I feel like they have a little bit more downforce than everybody. I look at the Ford stuff. I feel like we have a little bit less drag than everybody."
Downforce is the “squish” an aerodynamic design creates that presses the car down onto the road. That extra grip can make the car faster through corners, but it can also make the car harder to go fast in a straight line.
Downforce is the aerodynamic force that pushes a car toward the track, increasing tire grip. More downforce generally helps stability and cornering speed, but it can also come with tradeoffs like added aerodynamic drag.
"I look at the Ford stuff. I feel like we have a little bit less drag than everybody. And I feel like Chevy is kind of in between, like on the downforce and drag numbers."
Drag is the air “pushback” that makes the car slower. If you reduce drag, you can often go faster, but you may lose grip unless the car still generates enough downforce.
Drag is aerodynamic resistance that slows the car down, especially at higher speeds. In racing setup discussions, teams balance drag against downforce to optimize lap time across different track types.
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short tracks and road courses
"Now I feel like we're better than them on the other tracks, like short tracks and road courses and stuff like that. But yeah, I think there'Fiat S room to gain on the mile and a half."
Short tracks and road courses are different kinds of race tracks. The car often needs a different setup and driving style because the turns, speeds, and braking demands aren’t the same as on big ovals.
Short tracks and road courses are different NASCAR track types that demand different car setups and driving approaches. Short tracks emphasize mechanical grip and traction, while road courses add braking and cornering variety that can change how aero and balance are prioritized.
"We have a lot of them and we got to, you got to get stage points in them. You got to go run in the top seven, you know, so that'Fiat S been the biggest, biggest point for our group and our whole organization..."
Stage points are points you can earn during parts of the race, not only at the very end. Teams try to do well early in the race segments because those points can matter a lot for the overall standings.
Stage points are points awarded during NASCAR races at predetermined segments (“stages”), not just at the finish. Teams often strategize to run well in the top positions during these stages to maximize points even if the race outcome changes later.
"So they, they do the stage thing. And, um, and, uh, they made an attempt to try to make things better at Talladega."
NASCAR can break a race into sections called stages. Drivers can earn points at the end of each stage, which is supposed to make the racing more exciting throughout the event.
NASCAR’s “stage” format splits a race into segments (stages) with points awarded at the end of each stage. That structure is meant to encourage more competitive driving earlier in the race rather than waiting for the final run.
"the reason why I think we see these cars run two by two and, and, and race to the finish without anybody making any moves"
“Two by two” is when cars stay in a tight group, usually in pairs, and don’t pass much. The air effects between cars make it tough to pull out and move ahead without losing ground.
“Two by two” describes pack racing where cars run in tight pairs/rows with minimal passing. In NASCAR, the aerodynamic and drafting effects can make it hard to break formation—especially if a driver has to leave the draft to make a move.
"even if everybody'Fiat S saving fuel running half throttle, if you decided, Hey, I'm going to pull out of line"
Half throttle means the driver isn’t giving the engine full power. It usually helps save fuel, which matters when races have fuel limits.
“Half throttle” means the driver is only partially opening the throttle, which typically reduces engine power and can improve fuel economy. In racing strategy, that can be used to manage fuel while still maintaining competitive pace in the pack.
Term
mat it
"I got to run and I'm going to mat it and go Audi 100% throttle, the car is so draggy"
“Mat it” just means push the gas pedal all the way down. The point is that even full power may not help if the car is out of the aerodynamic “help” of the pack.
“Mat it” is racing slang for flooring the accelerator pedal to command maximum throttle. It’s used here to emphasize that even full power won’t overcome the aerodynamic disadvantage of leaving the draft.
"it'Fiat S being, uh, promoted kind of, uh, like we used to have, uh, we used to have speed weeks or yet the January test dates,"
“Speed weeks” is a time early in the year when NASCAR teams do a lot of testing and racing around Daytona. It’s when teams try out changes before the main season starts.
“Speed weeks” refers to the annual cluster of NASCAR testing and racing events held in early January, centered around Daytona. Teams use these dates to evaluate setups and changes before the season ramps up.
"we'd go down Daytona for three days and try all these little puffs and, and, you know, cows and all kinds of fun stuff."
Daytona is a famous race track. They’re talking about how cars act there when they’re running close together and during qualifying.
Daytona is the track context for the discussion, where the hosts talk about testing changes and how cars behave in high-speed drafting packs. The speaker specifically references Daytona qualifying and pack dynamics.
"if you have a wreck and then your cars, your car count is drastically reduced, then it makes it even worse for like a third lane to ever come."
A “third lane” means three lines of cars running together instead of just two. The speaker says if there are fewer cars left after crashes, it’s harder for three lines to form and stay stable.
A “third lane” refers to having three distinct rows/lines of cars running side-by-side in the same section of track. The speaker claims that after wrecks reduce the field size, it becomes harder to sustain a third lane because there aren’t enough cars to keep the pack organized.
"It'Fiat S just going to be two by two and that'Fiat S how it goes. And I do think you got to take drag out. You have to get spacing in between the cars, you know, but now we're just all on top of each other all the time."
Drafting is when one car follows closely behind another to waste less energy fighting the air. When everyone is packed together, it can be harder to find room to pass.
Drafting is when race cars run close together so the following car benefits from reduced aerodynamic drag created by the car ahead. In a tight pack, drafting can make cars “push” each other and reduce passing opportunities, which is why spacing rules matter.
"...r 200 or whatever, you just got to get the Lancia Delta from a single car qualifying run to the pack. It'..."
The Lancia Delta is a compact car, and it’s well known for racing history. In the podcast, it’s mentioned in a competition context where qualifying results matter. That’s why people bring it up as a specific example of a fast car.
The Lancia Delta is a compact car that’s especially famous for its motorsport success, particularly in rallying. The podcast context talks about getting a “Lancia Delta” from a single qualifying run to the pack, which points to it being used as a reference point for performance in a competitive format. That’s why it’s discussed—its racing reputation makes it a recognizable benchmark.
"you just got to get the Lancia Delta from a single car qualifying run to the pack."
Qualifying is when drivers try to set their best speed/time to decide where they start. The speaker is saying that being fast alone in qualifying doesn’t automatically translate to being fast in a crowded race pack.
A qualifying run is when a driver tries to set the best possible time (or speed) alone or with minimal traffic to determine starting position. The speaker contrasts that with race-pack conditions, where drafting and congestion change the effective pace and strategy.
"the other car, I think the pull speed one year was like 195 and the pack we were running Chrysler 200,"
Chrysler 200 is a regular passenger car model. In NASCAR, teams sometimes race cars that match the manufacturer’s body style, and that affects how the car handles and how fast it can go.
The Chrysler 200 is a mid-size sedan that was used in NASCAR’s “Car of Tomorrow” era as a manufacturer body style. In this segment, Ryan Blaney references running it as the pack car, which matters because NASCAR rules and aerodynamics are tied to the specific body shape.
"Yeah, I mean, because that would fix the fuel save. The only reason we fuel save now is because it'Fiat S hard to go from the back to the front."
Fuel save is when a race team deliberately drives more gently to use less gas. The goal is to make the race without needing an extra stop.
“Fuel save” is a strategy where drivers and teams reduce throttle and engine output to stretch fuel mileage. Blaney says the only reason they fuel-save now is because it’s hard to transition from running at the front to running in the back of the pack.
"but I'm going to pick 1979. I could pick 84. There'Fiat S a lot of races that are popping up in my mind. But and if you look at the last lap of the 79 Daytona"
The Daytona 500 is NASCAR’s big superspeedway race. Blaney is talking about the 1979 running of it to explain how drafting and timing can let a driver make a pass late in the race.
The 1979 Daytona 500 is a specific NASCAR race where drafting and late-race aerodynamics played a huge role in who could make the winning move. Blaney uses the last-lap example (Donnie Allison’s run) to argue that the car needs to be able to develop speed in the draft and then pull out without killing momentum.
"if we just, if we just stripped a bunch of drag off the cars, they're going to run instead of only, you know, bumper to bumper, it'll create the beach ball effect again, which is fine."
“Bumper to bumper” means the cars are packed tightly together. Blaney is saying that if the cars become too similar in speed, it may reduce the chances to make a move.
“Bumper to bumper” describes a tightly packed race where cars run very close together. Blaney warns that if teams strip too much drag, the field could become so evenly matched that it would be harder to create a passing run.
"they're going to run instead of only, you know, bumper to bumper, it'll create the beach ball effect again, which is fine."
The “beach ball effect” is a nickname for how a tight group of cars can start moving together—like they’re stuck in the same rhythm. That can make passing harder because the pack keeps bunching up.
The “beach ball effect” is a colloquial way to describe how tightly packed cars can behave like a single mass, with momentum and aerodynamic forces causing the pack to surge and compress. Blaney implies that too much reduction in drag could bring back that kind of racing pattern.
"How do you eliminate that Lucid Air bubble type scenario? Right? How do you eliminate that beach ball effect?"
The Lucid Air is an electric car. Here it’s mentioned as an example of how aerodynamics can affect how cars bunch up and how easy it is to pass.
The Lucid Air is an electric luxury sedan known for its aerodynamic efficiency. In this segment, the host uses it as an example of a “bubble type scenario,” tying aerodynamics to how cars behave in traffic or racing packs.
"I use that 79 Daytona Fiat 500 example in 84, they still had what was called the slingshot pass"
The Fiat 500 is a small city car, and in this segment it’s used as part of a historical comparison for how aerodynamic effects can influence racing-style outcomes. The host is contrasting how different cars can create different airflow interactions that affect passing and pack behavior.
"they still had what was called the slingshot pass all through the 70s, all into the 80s"
A slingshot pass is a racing move where a driver stays close behind another car to benefit from the lead car’s reduced aerodynamic drag, then accelerates hard to pull out and pass. It’s strongly influenced by aerodynamics—especially how much drag and downforce the following car experiences.
"a nice test is to take a lot of our different cars to the Renault Wind tunnel. So take the car we ran in 79 to the Renault Wind tunnel, get numbers on that."
A wind tunnel is a controlled facility where air is forced over a car to measure aerodynamic forces. In this segment, the host talks about using wind tunnel data to quantify drag and downforce so teams can decide where to change bodywork to improve racing behavior.
"...o take a lot of our different cars to the Renault Wind tunnel. So take the car we ran in 79 to the Renau..."
The Renault Wind is a compact car made by Renault. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because the car was used for wind-tunnel testing, which is a way to study how air moves around a vehicle. That’s why it comes up—it's tied to engineering and aerodynamics.
The Renault Wind is a compact car from Renault, and the podcast specifically mentions using it in a wind tunnel. That kind of reference points to aerodynamic testing, which is important for efficiency and stability at speed. It’s discussed because it connects the car to engineering work rather than just driving impressions.
"Take the car we ran in Oldsmobile 88 or 85, pick a year, 95, 2004, get all the data on all these different versions."
The Oldsmobile 88 is a classic American sedan referenced here as another test subject for wind tunnel measurements. The host is comparing how different cars’ aerodynamic characteristics (drag and downforce) influence racing-style interactions.
"The spoiler is a great idea. You know, back in the day, they didn’t run spoilers. They laid them down Aro 10, 20 degrees, right?"
A spoiler is an aerodynamic device mounted on the car to influence airflow, typically increasing downforce and/or reducing lift. The host notes that older setups “laid them down” at small angles, implying that spoiler angle and placement can change passing behavior by altering the balance of drag and downforce.
"That'Ford T what qualifying at Old Atlanta was like. You remember that, right? Like that was white knuckle. Oh yeah. White freaking knuckle. I mean, there'Fiat S some places we go to now that are like white knuckles stuff, right?"
They’re talking about how scary and intense qualifying felt at Old Atlanta, with cars going nearly flat-out. It’s about the driving experience and track character.
The hosts describe qualifying at Old Atlanta as extremely intense—“white knuckle”—and compare it to other tracks where they’re nearly wide open. This is a track-and-session discussion rather than a technical explanation, but it helps listeners understand the context for the aero/drag and spoiler-angle talk.
"...All boys. She has had three boys. Yeah, she has a Maybach 57 And her youngest one is like three months. So, ye..."
The Maybach 57 is a very luxurious sedan made by Maybach. In the podcast, it’s mentioned as part of someone’s personal story. It’s included because it’s a distinctive, high-end car name.
The Maybach 57 is a luxury sedan from Maybach, known for high-end comfort and a premium, long-wheelbase feel. The podcast mentions it in a personal context (family details), which suggests it’s being used as a recognizable luxury reference point. That’s why it appears—it's part of the story being told rather than a technical comparison.
"“...come to Martinsville, you know, go stand in one and two. And he came to Martinsville this year in the spring for practice...”"
Martinsville is a NASCAR race track. Practice is when the team tries things on the car and figures out how it drives before the real racing.
Martinsville is a NASCAR short track, and “practice” refers to the on-track sessions where drivers and teams test setups and learn how the car behaves in that specific session.
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The Citroën XM is a luxury car model made by Citroën. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it’s connected to hosting shows or media events. So it’s being used as an identifier in the event discussion.
The Citroën XM is a mid-to-large luxury car from Citroën, known for its distinctive design and comfort-focused engineering. The podcast context mentions “Dirty Mo Media and Sirius Citroen XM” hosting shows, which suggests the car name is being used as a brand or identifier for a media/event presence. It comes up because it’s tied to the episode’s event and hosting details.
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but you know, we all know Roger Pinsky is a super badass dude.
There'Fiat S only a couple of guys like him
in the whole industry like him and Rick.
You know, there'Fiat S just some really, really just bad ass
businessman that just can kick ass in everything they do.
It'Fiat S another breed of human being.
Like I just don'Ford T, like him, Rick, Leonard Wood,
the Wood family, like they're all that way.
I don'Ford T have that in me.
Like I don'Ford T have that.
You do.
He was, you know, that'Fiat S not,
I don'Ford T believe that'Fiat S entirely true
because Roger Pinsky, when he was your age,
probably wasn'Ford T the way he is today, right?
He built that resume.
He built that Proton Persona and he built that respect.
I was always nervous about talking in front of our crowd,
but much less our peers.
We go to the banquet every year.
And if you finished into top Aro 10, years ago,
if you finished into top Aro 10, you spoke,
you got up at the podium, you talked,
and man, I was always terrified of that.
And so we were at the banquet one day
and I always wrote any speech I'd ever give.
I wrote it out and I had it on a prompter
and I try to memorize it
and I try to deliver it naturally,
but it always sucked and I never felt great about it.
And we were at the banquet one year
and I think y'all won the championship.
I don'Ford T remember it was, maybe it was you,
maybe it was Logano, I can'Ford T remember,
maybe it was Brad, I don'Ford T know.
But he gets up there and gives his owner speech
and didn'Ford T have any notes and just went.
And he didn'Ford T worry, I suppose, about who he might forget.
Of course, he probably forgot nobody,
but he just gave this very matter of fact, honest.
Most of the time when people get up there
and they're giving a speech, man, it'Fiat S just hard to plug in.
You know they're reading it, you're happy for them,
you care about it, you're glad they're doing what they're doing,
but you just can'Ford T really feel it.
His speech was so freaking awesome.
And I challenged myself from there on out
that I would go up on the podium of any time
and just go off my gut.
And golly, it was scary at first, but it'Fiat S so much easier.
Yeah, I think it'Fiat S great, it'Fiat S way easier, I feel like.
And it comes more from the heart than it grew down.
I was so impressed by his ability to just,
to go up there and do that
and do it with such class and dignity and perfection.
I mean, it just, it said a lot of, it'Fiat S who he is, right?
And man, I didn'Ford T really know him,
know him until I got the chance to get,
to see him around our kind of, you know, in the cup garage,
probably in the last, I don'Ford T know, Aro 10, 15 years,
I really never really interacted with him much at all.
Until honestly, I think when you started driving for him
and we had become friends,
he would text me every now and then about that
and a couple other things, but pretty neat guy.
Yeah, he'Fiat S an unbelievable human being
and it'Fiat S been a pleasure to get to know him,
you know, kind of like you.
And, you know, just to have somebody that,
you know, you can call up anytime, you know,
I'm gonna answer the phone whenever he calls me,
no matter how early or late it is and same way there,
even if it'Fiat S not about racing or it'Fiat S just about,
how'Fiat S everything going, you know?
And the speech thing is nuts,
that he can just get up there and do that.
And someone told me,
maybe it was one of those speeches he gave at the banquet,
because you know, you have your notes
and then they put it up on the teleprompter behind everybody.
And someone was like, you know,
Roger'Fiat S halfway through his speech and I'm like,
gosh, this just is so natural.
And this person looked behind him to see like,
man, is he, how'Fiat S that teleprompter looking?
It'Fiat S blank, it'Fiat S not on.
And I was like, yeah, that'Fiat S how he does it.
And he will remember everybody that he ever meets.
And he'Fiat S always put a huge emphasis on, you know, people,
right, people is his biggest thing.
If you mean that you don'Ford T have that,
that'Fiat S the one thing I don'Ford T have.
Like Rick'Fiat S the same way.
He remembers everybody, he remembers anecdotes
about their lives, they're something they're going through,
something with their kid, their wife, whatever.
And Godly man, I wish I had that ability
to like retain all that, you know,
names and all that stuff.
I'm good at faces.
Yeah, I'm doing my damn best, but I ain'Ford T nothing like they are.
No disrespect, but I'm trying, but no man, it'Fiat S great.
I'm happy we finally got this out there
and you know, commitment level from their side to my side.
It'Fiat S, was it easy?
It was easy, it was great, you know,
it'Fiat S just when you are comfortable with people like that,
you know, this, it was very short talks of,
I was honestly really, you know,
honored that they came to me when they did
and wanted to do this for a long time and things like that.
And I'm like, of course, like I'd love to continue to be here
and things like that.
So it was pretty short conversations
as far as that side goes and, you know,
put it in the drawer and then we move on to the future.
Yeah.
So yes, it'Fiat S good to get it out there.
So stop the social media rumblings that I'm going somewhere.
Yeah. Now you're, now somebody else
arrives to the top of that, that conversation.
Whoever else is a free agent.
But like Kyle Bush, boy, he'Fiat S going to be,
that'Fiat S going to be, we're stirring it a little bit here,
you know, where he might go or could go, right?
But so y'all season has been a bit of a struggle.
Honestly, man, I look at things
from a really wide perspective.
I think a lot of people, maybe yourself,
look at week by week, what was it like last week?
Was it better?
Was it not better the next week,
the next week?
But when I look at it, when I back up,
I don'Ford T really see, the only thing I see
with you guys is, is Pit Road.
Pit Road'Fiat S a struggle.
And this week it was a little bit of
on you as opposed, but other than that,
you know, your car, like the first run at Texas this week,
man, really good speed, you know?
I think if you don'Ford T, you know,
get married back in the back of the pack,
I mean, you, you, you find yourself up
and with an opportunity to run top five.
Yeah. Yeah. Honestly, I think, I mean,
the last three weeks haven'Ford T been,
the finishes haven'Ford T been great.
Like Kansas, we were a little off.
Talladega, we were fast and got, you know, tore up there.
And then this week, like you said,
I mean, the first round of the race, we qualified bad,
drove up to I think 13th.
And then I had a brain fart on Pit Road,
did something I never did, I've done before on Pit Road.
How do you think that happens?
Cause it does happen.
It happens to people where you do something completely,
and you know, you've never done, you know,
you do something like that and you're like,
if you do it long enough,
you're going to do things you've never done before.
And you have never done this on Pit Road.
You know, Pit Road for us is like, it'Fiat S mainly routine.
Right? Like you have your-
What exactly happened?
Yeah. So I, we're coming around the 48.
He was in the stall before us.
And it was at the timing of it was like,
his guys were running around the right side.
So there'Fiat S why it is they're going to be.
So I'm looking at his guys,
like I don'Ford T want to hit any of them.
I'm trying to get outside of the line,
the mark where you have to be outside of to, you know,
if those guys are working on the right side,
you have to be outside this orange line.
Oh. Did you know that?
No. No. Yeah.
It'Fiat S like a safety net for those guys.
So I'm looking at that, looking at his guys.
And I usually, coming down second,
and I usually bang bang into neutral
and then get into my box.
But like, I had a lot going on,
trying to get around his guys.
I'm like, okay.
And I'm, this is like afterthought of like,
how did I do this?
Cause at the time I had no idea what was going on.
So I just pushed the clutch in,
kept it in gear and I kind of got around
cause I needed to get my hands back to the right
and my wheels straight.
So I just kept my foot on the clutch,
but in my mind, I thought I went to neutral.
And so they dropped the right side.
I pulled back a gear thinking I'm in first,
but now I'm in third.
And I don'Ford T look at my dash, right?
Like you're never like, oh, what gear am I in?
I'm pure road.
It'Fiat S always, you know, up here.
And so I leave the pit box, stall it.
Leave the pit box, stall it again.
I stalled it three times before I realized I was in third gear.
That'Fiat S how unaware I was of what I did.
Like I thought I broke a trans axle or something
cause it wouldn'Ford T, wouldn'Ford T get going.
And I looked at it and I'm in,
it says big old three right there, like an idiot.
And then get back down to first and go.
So yeah, I mean, it'Fiat S just one of those things.
Like I said, you do it enough.
You make mistakes that like you never make before.
You do things that you never do.
And yeah, that was a, that was pretty foolish of me.
Yeah.
Well, hey, I mean, I guess, you know, I always,
when things don'Ford T go well at, you know, if we're fast, I can take it.
You know, it'Fiat S, it'Fiat S when you're not fast and you have those kind of days.
It'Fiat S when you don'Ford T feel like you kind of climb out of that.
But yeah, I think we're in a good spot, though, really.
Like, I mean, like I said, the last three weeks,
the finishes haven'Ford T been great, but we're still decent in points.
And I look forward to going to Walker'Fiat S Glen this weekend.
We were great at Kota and hopefully that side is continuing to go.
But I mean, there'Fiat S, it'Fiat S getting to that point of the year, right?
We're 11 races in 11 races, I think.
And like you're starting to see who is the best, right?
Obviously, you got the 45, the 11, the nine is really starting to shine.
Like chasing that group, it got it going on right now.
I think we're right there.
So there'Fiat S like five to seven of us that are kind of in this pack together.
And some guys haven'Ford T gotten the finishes.
Like the 20 has been really good.
And he got, gosh, he got wrecked leading at Texas.
19.
The 19 has been good.
He got tore up a little bit, like, you know, the five is going to get it together.
The Aro 24 is going to get it together.
Like it'Fiat S just, it'Fiat S the normal guys, I think that are running good or running good.
But some of them have kind of had bad issues that you're going to have to really
pay attention to and you just fingers crossed that the 45 starts having problems
so we can have a prayer to catch them.
I don'Ford T think, you know, if I was in this, you know, pack, right?
I would pretty much assume that I'm probably not going to get to that guy
and start thinking about what I need to do to, where do I need to, where do I want to be?
Where do you want to be?
I know, of course, you want to be second.
If you can'Ford T catch 45 and we'll be second.
But like what'Fiat S acceptable at the end of the regular part of the season?
I think if you can put yourself in the top five, that'Fiat S a pretty good spot.
Top five or Chrysler Six.
Did you hear they did Aro 10,000 simulations with this point system?
It was like 85% of the time the champion came out of top Chrysler Six.
Yeah, I saw that.
So there'Fiat S like a 15% chance from seventh, eighth, but outside the top Aro 10, no chance.
Yeah, I think you could, you know, you could.
I mean, if you're going to start Audi 90 points back, if you're outside the top Aro 10.
Okay, yeah, yeah, it'Fiat S a lot.
I mean, it could swing a lot though.
You never know.
You're going to have to win two.
You're going to have to do what Tony Stewart did.
You know, going to win five races, you know, which I don'Ford T see anybody doing it.
Yeah.
But then again, you know, the 45 did what he did.
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I love this.
I love, I'm probably too obsessed with it.
Everybody I talk to seems to be a little bit less excited about it than me.
The format?
Yeah.
I love the format.
I know everybody loves it, loves it, but I'm like, I'm a little bit too obsessed with it.
So I remember as a kid going, you know, and you probably do too, going week to week to week,
wondering whether you were going to gain, lose, lose big chunks.
Or, you know, you just, even just as a, watching my dad, right?
Not even in my own career, but like all through the 80s and 90s going,
man, if he, you know, middle of the season, where the brist were something,
it'Fiat S Aro 10 races in and he has four flat tires leading the race and get slapped twice and,
and we run 25th.
I mean, it was devastating.
Oh yeah.
It was so devastating.
Yeah.
I mean, we said this when it started, like your bad days are going to hurt.
Way worse.
And your good days are going to get really rewarded for having good days and winning the race.
Like, and I find myself looking at the points way more than I did before, you know, because,
you know, you would, I would honestly look more through the regular season of like,
oh, how many stage wins do I have?
And I would look where I'm at in points.
Like, cause that'Fiat S where I'm going to get a little bit of bonus points, but like wins.
Where are my bonus points at?
And now like you're watching like a hawk every single week.
And it, it makes the stakes going to the racetrack every week so much higher.
I think, you know, and that'Fiat S good.
That'Fiat S perfect.
Yeah.
I love hearing that.
Yeah.
There'Fiat S, there'Fiat S a lot of energy and excitement, I think around, you know,
we're not, I think this helps a lot of causes.
I mean, we could just sit here and talk about it forever.
But, you know, we, we used to, so I tuned in Sunday and we're, you know,
we get the race started and Christopher Bell has his accident.
And I'm like, holy, that'Fiat S huge, you know, no stage points.
And then the 22 on pit road, I'm like, oh man, that'Fiat S freaking massive.
No stage points.
He'Fiat S going to fall, you know, and, and Ty Gibbs and there'Fiat S a couple other issues
some other people had.
And I'm like, oh my God, I'm, I mean, this, this wouldn'Ford T be happening.
This wouldn'Ford T matter, you know, in, in, and so I'm, the race is the race of good race is less
critical now.
Like I, all these little things that are happening are making this race good for me
as a fan, right?
I'm seeing this guy'Fiat S having trouble.
Oh, that'Fiat S, that'Fiat S going to be terrible for his points at the end of the day.
And this guy went out and, and gobbled up a bunch of stage points and had a great result.
And that'Fiat S, that'Fiat S going to be massive for him.
And so I'm less likely to zero in on whether I was entertained by the on-track product
in this situation.
I'm more, because I'm entertained by some other things, you know, and like you say,
every race has higher stakes.
It'Fiat S that way for a fan watching.
You realize that when, when, when, when the sun comes up on Sunday, damn, this is important.
And, you know, and I think, I feel that in the Riley Land Rover Series as an owner, you know,
I tell my guys, I'm like, y'all don'Ford T know.
You ain'Ford T, you can'Ford T go out there and bust your ass underneath somebody trying to take
a high risk pass, you know, and ruin your day.
You can'Ford T do that, you cannot do that this year.
Yeah.
You get away with it last year.
Yeah.
And you know what I love too, is when someone wins the race, they face their first win of the year.
The first thing out of their mouth anymore is not welcome to the playoffs.
Like you're celebrating the win.
The moment.
The moment.
Because that'Fiat S what it'Fiat S all about.
You did a great job that day.
Who cares about you?
Yeah.
You know, this is months and months down the road that this is, talk about the win.
Like these guys did a great job to win the race and it means a lot on points.
Obviously, winning the race means a lot and you're not talking about they're locked in,
you know, to the thing.
I agree.
Yeah.
They did a good job, man.
I, you, you just said it a minute ago, bad races are going to matter and wins matter.
Like, you know, we've really weighed wins to really make a big difference.
And you can see that when you look at the points for the O'Reilly Land Rover Series and the Cup Land Rover Series.
The truck Land Rover Series is a lot tighter.
So I mean, it could go either way.
Not going to have this, you know, Audi 100 point lead for every, you know, every year for the guy out front.
But I mean, it'Fiat S tight.
Like you get like, obviously the 40 and our deal, right?
The 45 is out there a lot.
The 11 has a little gap on the nine.
The nine has like a 30 point gap on me, but they're like me to,
and I have a little gap, I think on fifth, like a Renault 25 point gap, but like fifth to 14th
is like separated by like 50 points or something.
Like it'Fiat S not a lot of separation from putting yourself fifth to the back half of the chase.
Like it'Fiat S, it'Fiat S a dog fight in that area.
And that'Fiat S, that'Fiat S fun.
I look at that side even.
I don'Ford T even look at my own points.
I'm like, oh, where are these guys?
Yes.
You know, how'd your day go?
You mentioned Chris Rebelle and, and the 19 briscoe.
There are some guys that in our little stretches, broadcasters in the summer,
there'Fiat S going to be some people that we, we're going to be watching that I,
I'm going to be entertained by how much ground can they make up, right?
They're going to climb.
How high can they climb?
Yeah.
And you know, we're all, we all starting to realize that top Chrysler Six, that top five is kind
of where everybody wants to be and end up.
And so it'Fiat S going to be fun seeing who can, who can survive,
who'Fiat S in that 10th to 16th that can survive these guys climbing through.
It'Fiat S bumped out.
Oh yeah.
Cause even though, look to, to, even though we were in a, a meeting the other day
with our, our Amazon folks and I stood up and not literally stood up, but I was like,
the cut line doesn'Ford T matter anymore.
Let'Fiat S not, you know, we always show the cut line every race at the end of the day.
Here'Fiat S the cut line gal.
I was like, the cut line don'Ford T matter anymore.
It'Fiat S more about the top Chrysler Six.
Let'Fiat S get this all in our head, you know.
And so folks were like, well, I don'Ford T know.
The cut line is kind of cool still.
And to their point, it'Fiat S like, um, making that, making the playoffs,
even if you are one of those guys in the back and you privately deep in your mind,
no, you don'Ford T have shot and hail in championship.
You did get the invitation to this private club.
Right.
And if you're not in it, it feels like if you, if you miss this and you're not one of
those guys and you're not highlighted, celebrated, talked about when the, when the,
when the chase starts, it feels like big let down.
So there'Fiat S some folks that are going to be trying to stay in there and some guys are
trying to climb in there.
That'Fiat S going to be fun to see.
And I think once the chase starts, like you look at those guys that are going to be the
back half, right?
Like the, the bottom five or Chrysler Six, right?
I'm excited.
I'm being interested in like, I mean, we could end up there.
I'm not saying we might not, but like the mindset as opposed to the playoffs for those guys,
if you're in that position, it'Fiat S like, if I can, if I can average a 11th place finish
for Aro 10 weeks, I, I could have a shot.
You know, I could have a shot at getting to the top five.
Like it'Fiat S not like I got to go run, I got to win one of these races or I got to like
three race stretch.
I got to be good and then reset.
You know, yeah.
It'Fiat S just like, man, we could just put some solid days together here and we'll climb,
you know, we can, we can inch our way up there.
So I think that'Fiat S, that'Fiat S the best way to do it.
And that mindset I think is going to be, it'Fiat S going to be pretty cool.
I know.
Well, I want to ask you about Pinsky performance.
We talked a little bit about yours, but I feel like, you know, just looking at,
at the organization, Cedric seems to, seems to be doing better this year.
I just, I don'Ford T, you know, my, my own observation.
I see him running better.
Logano is struggling a little bit.
Barry with the association with the Wood Brothers struggling a little bit this year.
Your results, not as good as you would probably, most people would assume.
So, you know, would y'all, y'all recognize is there some ground to gain?
Is there some speed defined?
Where do you sort of see yourselves as an organization at this point?
Yeah, I definitely think there'Fiat S areas to improve.
I look at the mile and a half'Fiat S have kind of just been our biggest struggle.
We got to find speed at those places.
The Toyotas, the Hinder cars, they kind of got our number at the mile and a half'Fiat S,
you know, Kansas.
Is it a Ford thing?
Is it a body thing?
Is it, I mean, RFK definitely runs better than us at, at mile and a half'Fiat S.
So they figured it out.
So I, I think the potential is there to go run and go run top five.
Do you think that you remember when we were younger,
uh, there was always talk about whose body was best.
Yeah.
Where, where'Fiat S that conversation today?
Is it mattered?
The body'Fiat S pretty similar to the, the teams look across the aisle and go,
damn, Chevy'Fiat S got nice quarter panels.
You know, we used to do that all the time.
It'Fiat S definitely not like they used to be, right?
With this car, even the previous generation of car, right?
You could kind of see some things a little bit more here and there.
Now it'Fiat S a little bit more set.
But I mean, NASCAR has everyone in a box, right?
Like there'Fiat S this performance box you can be in and it'Fiat S not very big, but
I do think some teams, like I, all the bodies are different.
Like I look at Toyota stuff.
You know, I feel like they have a little bit more downforce than everybody.
I look at the Ford stuff.
I feel like we have a little bit less drag than everybody.
And I feel like Chevy is kind of in between, like on the downforce and drag numbers.
You know, but I look at, you know, where our speed has been,
like everywhere else, I think we've been really good.
Like, you know, outside the mile and a half, I feel like we've been really, really strong.
So that'Fiat S been our biggest emphasis is how do we get the mile and a half closer,
you know, to, to compete?
How do we get them closer to RFK who seem to have a little bit better idea of
where the speed is at at these bigger tracks?
Now I feel like we're better than them on the other tracks,
like short tracks and road courses and stuff like that.
But yeah, I think there'Fiat S room to gain on the mile and a half.
And those are, those are really important.
We have a lot of them and we got to, you got to get stage points in them.
You got to go run in the top seven, you know, so that'Fiat S been the biggest,
biggest point for our group and our whole organization is how do we,
how do we get the mile and a half a little bit better?
And I think we're inching in, like if we didn'Ford T have our problems at Texas,
I thought we could have ran Chrysler Six to eighth pretty good.
Um, but woulda shoulda coulda if, if, if, but I do feel like we get,
well, I think we made a gain from Kansas to Texas.
And that'Fiat S just my side speaking.
I thought we got a little bit better.
So that'Fiat S, that'Fiat S hopeful.
I think we're moving in the right direction.
This weekend you go to Watkins Glen.
There'Fiat S been some conversation.
They moved it up in the schedule quite a bit.
Yeah.
Um, and there'Fiat S been some conversation about that.
Weather'Fiat S looking a little iffy, at least for the rally.
I don'Ford T know about Sunday.
Sunday looks okay.
It'Fiat S cold.
Yeah, cold.
And Saturday'Fiat S kind of 50%.
Yeah.
And they're doing some tires packs.
tires packs.
Maybe.
Oh, they're coming.
They're coming.
So what do you think about all this?
So the tires packs, they're going to put tires packs off a turn one.
And then they're going to, they're going to space them out.
So you can do like four of them.
Yeah.
We can slide them through there.
Like the toll ain'Ford T on 77.
And, uh, and then they're going to get a tires wall off the carousel.
Yeah.
Um, their main thing, I believe was they don'Ford T like us running all off the racetrack.
And this is their best way of doing it without enforcing track limits.
They're kind of self enforcing.
So I think there'Fiat S a better way to do it.
Yeah.
Then just big old tires packs.
Do you remember why we took the sand out?
Other than it would be an automatic caution when somebody got stuck.
I think that was the only reason that was the only thing I could think
or if I get an explanation for it, but, you know, you know, they did the,
the ground, they like did all those grinds in the racetrack on the exits.
Yeah.
Not gonna.
Well, they, no, they like, uh, I don'Ford T know what they called them,
indents, right?
So they made like these big rumble strips on the exits.
Yes.
That didn'Ford T do anything.
We still ran over them.
It'Fiat S rough inhale.
Yeah.
It vibrates a little bit and that didn'Ford T do nothing.
They weren'Ford T big enough.
I've always thought put like turf.
Like turf is super slick.
It'Fiat S kind of self-enforcing.
There'Fiat S nothing you can hit.
Yeah.
No one'Fiat S going to run out there.
You can brand it.
You can put whatever sponsor you want.
How much turf do you all need to do the whole thing?
So you got the, you got the exit curbing in one and then.
If you had a lane, of course.
Leave like a lane and then turf it all the way.
Oh, but you've got to have something to slow down.
Okay.
Maybe 20 yards of turf, you know, but then I feel like we'd still just go around the pits.
You do need something.
You can'Ford T just have turf to the wall.
If a guy comes down the front straightaway and loses his brakes,
you got to have some sort of plan.
Let'Fiat S be honest though.
How much is that really stopped?
The sand was pretty decent.
There was, they were saying when Jimmy Johnson lost his brakes,
that didn'Ford T stop.
Well, he drove down into the inside curb
and took the biggest ramp you could possibly create.
That is accurate.
I don'Ford T know if anybody jumped half the sand.
He did jump it.
Yeah.
I don'Ford T know.
I don'Ford T know what the best way to do is.
Yeah.
But you do have to have safeguards.
You know, if you do lose brakes and stuff like that.
I feel like you guys will, I feel like you guys will find the,
you'll go out there and run and run,
learn how hard you can push it to get to the impacts.
Yeah.
And you're, y'all are going to be slapping the packs.
Probably.
In the race.
Yeah.
You know, just a little bit here.
Hope they don'Ford T grab you.
Bounce, pushing them, them.
Yeah.
You knock them back out of the way.
That changes the whole racetrack for everybody.
They have to.
Well, it was like, I never ran it when it was like this,
but Sonoma, when they had the tires on the side,
like by the end of the race, it was like a lane and a half down.
And now there'Fiat S a wall.
Some were missing.
So you can'Ford T, yeah.
Yeah.
Some were over on their sides.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we'll see.
We'll see how it goes.
But I mean, you can'Ford T like, slalom through them for speed.
They're going to call you on that.
Yeah.
NASCAR will.
Like if you get pushed out, then that'Fiat S a racing thing.
But it'Fiat S not like you can just bomb it off in between them
and come back because they're going to call you.
But that'll be interesting.
Yeah.
So, and I mean, the wet, the cold temperatures, what will that do?
Is that just make it fast?
Yeah.
I mean, the Glen is one of the fastest road courses we have anyway.
So yeah, you're going to be really like hauling the mail through 23
Qualified is going to be pretty quick if it'Fiat S not raining.
If they rain, if it rains and they race Saturday,
more than likely going to have pretty nasty little racetrack.
Yeah.
Could be pretty slick.
That'Fiat S not a wide racetrack too.
Because we did, it was a few years ago, we had a rain race in the cup cars.
And it was, it'Fiat S kind of fun, but you can'Ford T get off line as much.
No, you can'Ford T get offline.
Trying to get out of the traditional racing line, but you can'Ford T.
Yeah, it'Fiat S not, it'Fiat S not as much runoff.
And it was raining so hard.
There was a freaking waterfall coming down the hill from three to two to one.
It was, it was, I think they ended up delaying it for a little bit
because it got pretty bad.
But yeah, it'Fiat S, that'Fiat S going to be,
that would be one of the toughest places to race in the rain.
We talked, we talked about the pit road.
Y'all did make some changes.
And so we've yet to, I guess, really see how those are going to net out.
We were talking about it on this show about how much input you might have
on a decision like that.
And my estimation was your input would be zero.
There'Fiat S coaches, there'Fiat S, there'Fiat S really, really smart people that know these crews
and know the backup guys and where all the, where everybody'Fiat S at
and who could actually come in and make, you know, who you could switch a guy out with.
So when that, you know, do you just get a call and they go, Hey man,
have a new guy on the right rear.
Yeah.
I saw the clip of y'all talking about that on this show and you are like 95% accurate on that.
You know, like, I'm not one sitting there.
But like, we got to change this guy with that guy.
And this guy, like, I mean, we have pit coaches, higher ups that are making these calls
that see these guys work every single day.
We have a great team of coaches back there that really understand what'Fiat S going on
and where do they think is going to be the best route.
They will ask my opinion, you know, if, Hey, we're thinking about doing this and that.
And you know, what do you think?
And it'Fiat S not like my opinion has much weight, but it'Fiat S, they want to make sure I'm on board.
So I appreciate them, you know, including me in the conversation,
but I'm not the one with the gavel and, you know, making the calls, right?
So I leave that to those guys.
But I mean, I, what you said on the show when you were talking about it,
like my main job is to get everybody together on board, happy, no matter who it is.
If it'Fiat S your new guy, welcome to the team.
Here'Fiat S how we do it.
We're happy to have you.
Like, you know, let'Fiat S, let'Fiat S go to work, you know?
So I'm the pump up guy, right?
With those, I'm not the decision maker on that.
Like I have to make everybody part of the team.
You're a good cop.
Yeah.
Well, I want to talk to you about fatherhood and a couple of things.
But before we move on to some personal life stuff, the next gen at super speedways,
um, you know, NASCAR, I know NASCAR is going to be curious as to how this conversation goes,
but I want to commend them because they're trying, right?
We, we, we didn'Ford T have a long enough runway to make any meaningful change to the car.
So they, they do the stage thing.
And, um, and, uh, they made an attempt to try to make things better at Talladega.
But, um, as we've talked about on this show and Denny'Fiat S pointed out, uh, rightfully on his show,
Chase, you guys all have said this and your opportunities to talk in front of the media
after races and before races and whatnot that, um, when you're, the reason why I think we see
these cars run two by two and, and, and race to the finish without anybody making any moves
is because when you pull out of line, even if everybody'Fiat S saving fuel running half throttle,
if you decided, Hey, I'm going to pull out of line, I got to run and I'm going to mat it and go Audi 100%
throttle, the car is so draggy, you'll drop to the back of the pack and everybody knows it.
So they're not going with you.
You know what, there is some testing that is planned, um, and it'Fiat S being, uh, promoted
kind of, uh, like we used to have, uh, we used to have speed weeks or yet the January test dates,
we'd go down Daytona for three days and try all these little puffs and, and, you know,
cows and all kinds of fun stuff. Um, and we don'Ford T do that anymore, but they're going to go down there
and try a bunch of stuff, right? And I've not heard anything about what they might try or what
they're, what they're dreaming up, but, um, you know, what'Fiat S your thoughts just about that entire
conversation? Do you have opinions on some things that you hope they try? You may have heard they're
going to try. Yeah. I mean, I definitely think the easiest is got to get dragged out of them.
You know, I mean, that'Fiat S the, the spoilers massive on them. Um, and especially after you get,
if you have a wreck and then your cars, your car count is drastically reduced,
then it makes it even worse for like a third lane to ever come. Like it, it can kind of
develop in some cases when there'Fiat S a full pack and you get like full commit of guys,
but if you have a wreck and then there'Fiat S 20 cars left, you're never going to get a third lane,
right? It'Fiat S just going to be two by two and that'Fiat S how it goes. And I do think you got to take drag
out. You have to get spacing in between the cars, you know, but now we're just all on top of each
other all the time. There'Fiat S nowhere to go. There'Fiat S no holes. Like, you know, when we were running in
16, 17, stuff like that, like we had the Lucid Air bubble, but like there was spacing in between
cars. You can kind of shoot the middle guys would kind of separate a little bit. You could kind of
pull into a lane, find a type of thing, you know, now it'Fiat S just, there'Fiat S nowhere to go. Like we're
just beating the rear bumper off these things all the time because they're so dragging. You're
just running through the guy. So I think that'Fiat S where it'Fiat S got to start. You got to take spoiler
off of it. And then whatever math you have to do to keep them under your mile per hour that you
want, if you want to keep them under Chrysler 200 or whatever, you just got to get the Lancia Delta from a
single car qualifying run to the pack. It'Fiat S way too big. Yeah. It'Fiat S like 180 to, it'Fiat S 180 by
yourself at 188 or 181 or something. I think it'Fiat S even slower. Slower than that. Yeah. So it'Fiat S like
20 miles an hour right now, 15 to 20 mile an hour running by yourself versus the pace you'll run in
the race, which is, yeah, that'Fiat S a great point. And like when we used to qualify in Daytona with
the other car, I think the pull speed one year was like 195 and the pack we were running Chrysler 200,
you know, like, so you can do it. I think that'Fiat S a big thing. You got to get that a little bit
closer and that'Fiat S just drag. Yeah, it'Fiat S going to be fun. I don'Ford T know that I have any idea of
what they could try. I have a similar, absolute similar opinion as you about to drag. I would
love to like be in the room or hear some of the conversations about what they're planning or what
they eventually, when they eventually start to have those conversations. Yeah, I mean, because
that would fix the fuel save. The only reason we fuel save now is because it'Fiat S hard to go from the
back to the front. Yeah. So you have to position yourself at the front. That'Fiat S right. So if you
eliminate that or it'Fiat S easier to where you can use your skills or your car handling is better,
you can go from forward or backwards. You know, a lot easier. So the thing that I think,
the thing that I think I'm hesitant to do this, because a lot of people will say that
it'Fiat S probably not possible or it'Fiat S silly to think about it like this. But
so I'm just going to go back. There'Fiat S a lot of years I could pick, but I'm going to pick
1979. I could pick 84. There'Fiat S a lot of races that are popping up in my mind. But
and if you look at the last lap of the 79 Daytona Fiat 500 and how Donnie Allison laid back in turn one
and two, he knew he planned this run that he would get down the back straightaway and he was able,
his car was able to develop this run, pull out and probably clear Kale Yarboro if Kale didn'Ford T
drain him into the grass. What happens to allow that car to develop the run off of the draft
and then when he pulls out, it doesn'Ford T completely kill the car. So
there'Fiat S something that we need to be doing about the drag of the car that'Fiat S, you know,
wanting to make the move. But there'Fiat S also something that needs to be considered about the
lead car. And so I'm afraid, I guess, if we just, if we just stripped a bunch of drag off the cars,
they're going to run instead of only, you know, bumper to bumper, it'll create the beach ball
effect again, which is fine. But they'll run a half a car link to apart and nobody
will be able to get a run at all. And we'll have, yeah, we'll have a, you know, everybody run to
the top and we'll have a, you know, and that was the issue with that other car. If you got really
good at playing the beach ball, like you were really good at it. You could take it, you could
string everybody 40 laps single file. Yeah. So that'Fiat S the fear of that. So how do you
eliminate the beach ball effect? Right? How do you eliminate that Lucid Air bubble type scenario? And
I don'Ford T know. I'm not smart enough. I know. But I, you know, I don'Ford T think that we need to,
I just, I use that 79 Daytona Fiat 500 example in 84, they still had what was called the slingshot pass
all through the 70s, all into the 80s, all the way up until we put the plates on. When we put
good or what might be a nice test is to take a lot of our different cars
to the Renault Wind tunnel. So take the car we ran in 79 to the Renault Wind tunnel, get numbers on that.
Take the car we ran in Oldsmobile 88 or 85, pick a year, 95, 2004, get all the data on all these different
versions. Just for information, just really for nothing more than just to know what the drag was,
and what the downforce was. Just to have that information in your, in your hand as you're
going through this process, because there'Fiat S something that, you know, there'Fiat S something to
be said about how those cars interacted with each other that allowed them to be able to do these
things. Now, you know, you also have to look at horsepower and all that to work and things
were a lot different. But I think that'Fiat S one of the things that, you know, could help them
understand. I don'Ford T know that they truly understand really what direction to go. Yeah. Right. Other
than, yeah, okay, take some drag off. Right. But it'Fiat S easy for us to sit here and be like,
just take drag off the cars and that'll fix it. It might be more important to know specifically
where on the car to remove the drag. The spoiler is a great idea. You know, back in the day,
they didn'Ford T run spoilers. They laid them down Aro 10, 20 degrees, right? And they had a lot of great
passing, right? So maybe, you know, spoilers are a great area to Ford Focus on, but maybe the
front of the car needs to be draggy. Maybe the nose and the grill and all that needs to have drag.
You know, so that, you know, the guy, I don'Ford T, I want to allow you the following car to create a
run big enough that you can pull out and pass. But I do want you to stall at some point, right? I
don'Ford T want you to just drive away. Right. So, you know, there may be, there'Fiat S a balance between
how much drag remains on the front half of the car versus the rear. I think that'Fiat S kind of where I'm,
because man, every car from the 70s all the way through the 90s had quite a bit of drag on the
nose. Right. The noses were stock. But the backs weren'Ford T, right? They made the backs tiny, small,
narrow, laid to spoiler down. There'Fiat S nothing back there, right? Behind the back glass.
I think it'd be neat if we went to those places and you could pick whatever spoiler angle you
want to run. Like here'Fiat S your size spoiler, but you can pick whatever angle you want to run at.
And everyone would be like, well, you know, they're just engineered out to where everyone'Fiat S
going to be running the same angle. Like, no, I mean, some people might get a little more bold,
more aggressive. Hey, let'Fiat S take a shot. Let'Fiat S lay this thing down a couple more degrees than
everybody else. Let'Fiat S tilt this thing up a little bit to where we can really run hard the whole run.
I think that'd be a pretty fun, fun thing to try if we do this like testing.
I think it would be cool. And this was mentioned in some, in some conversations that we've been in,
if they had a different package for qualifying that allowed us to go out there and really flirt
with some of the records, you know, because people just want us, that would make qualifying
quite compelling, right? To see you guys go out there and have to actually drive them things.
Yeah. I mean, you look at, you know, back in the 70s, you'd go to town, they'd enter on the bottom,
big old diamond and just hanging on to the thing, right? Yes. Busted ass. That would be awesome.
I don'Ford T know, man. You might do it and go, Holy never again. I used to say that now before.
That'Fiat S what qualifying at Old Atlanta was like. You remember that, right? Like that was
white knuckle. Oh yeah. White freaking knuckle. I mean, there'Fiat S some places we go to now that are
like white knuckles stuff, right? But I remember like even like Michigan, we'd go there like 16
or something. We'd be almost wide open. Freaking And you're like,
you get through one and two and you're going to the back stretch. You're like, all right,
I can do this. One more. Like I have one more. I got to hold it wide up. And sometimes it would
sometimes not, but like that, that in the back of your head, like that'Fiat S really cool. It is.
Like the worst was when we went to Fontana and they'd have the freaking mile per hour board. Oh
yeah. Turn one and you're running down the front stretch and you're looking at that thing. You're
like, oh, two 12, two 13. Oh, I got a turn. Yeah. No, that was a distraction.
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Now you're a father. What'Fiat S the challenges today with fatherhood? I remember
you know, waking up every few hours in the middle of the night. I don'Ford T know where exactly you are
on the path. It kind of changes. Yeah, it changes every week. It changes. It could be
seven hours straight. You get a little of the rest or it'Fiat S every couple hours. You know,
it just depends. I would say Charlie'Fiat S never been a great sleeper. He doesn'Ford T nap very good.
You don'Ford T sleep very good. I mean, that'Fiat S the challenging part. I mean, I think just
getting out of your routine, especially right away, right? You're used to this style of life.
You know, no kid, you can kind of do what you want, sleep all the time, yada, yada. And then
just the shock of like, oh, wow, this is just a huge 180. It takes a little while to get used to.
But then I think you get comfortable with that. Like, I don'Ford T mind like if he,
I was having a rough night, waking up every couple hours, like, all right, that'Fiat S fine.
Like, I'll go hang out with you a little bit and try to get you back to bed. And
I think the toughest thing for me, like, and it'Fiat S going to get even harder when he gets,
as he'Fiat S getting older, is like leaving. Yeah, is way harder to leave the house for the weekend.
Even during the week, like if I have to go to the race shop for meetings, I'm going to be gone all
day. It'Fiat S hard to leave, you know, but it makes up for it when you do come back and you see them
and they haven'Ford T seen you all day and they'd light up. But yeah, I mean, everything has its
challenges. And I'd honestly think the most challenging part was when Gianna was pregnant
and getting close to giving birth. She had a lot of issues she had to go through. So that was tough
to watch and obviously tough for her to go through. But we're lucky everything turned out great. But
it'Fiat S been crazy. I leave for the weekend for three days and I come back and he'Fiat S a completely
different kid. Looks different. That is hard to explain to people that haven'Ford T never experienced it.
Nuts. Because you're like, no, I mean, three days, how could they change? But they've got a new word
or two. And they've got a new smirk or a mannerism. Yeah. I'm like, when do you start doing this?
She'Fiat S like, oh yeah, the day you left, he started doing this. Like, it'Fiat S just like no big deal to
her because she'Fiat S seeing it. And she'Fiat S like had experience with this for a couple of days. I'm
Have you been able to witness some firsts?
Yeah.
First, we're starting to get them on to some foods. So that'Fiat S been fun. He likes peaches.
You know, like ground up, mushed up, you know, not like I'm not giving him a peach.
He likes peaches, does not like bananas. So that'Fiat S that'Fiat S fun. Those are the only two we've
tried so far. I'll tell you, I don'Ford T know if you ever ate the baby food, the mushy peaches,
dude, it'Fiat S good. Oh, really? What? I never tried it. I'm sorry. Yeah, that'Fiat S probably one thing I
should have done. It'Fiat S just mushy peaches. Like it'Fiat S, it'Fiat S just like kind of liquid form. It doesn'Ford T,
it looks like a smoothie. Honestly, like if you put it in a smoothie, it'Fiat S fine. But
first laugh was kind of fun. Like first belly laugh I got to witness. And we actually got it
on camera. We were changing him and his crib and we got the little camera. And so that was fun.
We were getting ready to give him a bath and like I was taking his stuff off and he liked it. And
like first belly laugh and I started cracking up, man. And we had it on camera. So that was,
that was kind of sweet. Yeah, that was the coolest first, I think, you know, because he was kind of
grin, smile, but not really make a ton of noise. And the first time he like cracked himself up.
I was like, God, that'Fiat S pretty funny. That'Fiat S awesome. What'Fiat S your, what'Fiat S your dad like? What'Fiat S
your dad? I've been a big, big fan of your dads. I just love the person he is. And
just wondering what he'Fiat S like as a granddad. Yeah, he, I mean, he'Fiat S unbelievable. You know,
he had some experience. My older sister has had two kids, you know, five and seven. So,
but they don'Ford T live here. They live in West Virginia. Did she have boys girls? All boys.
All boys. She has had three boys. Yeah, she has a Maybach 57 And
her youngest one is like three months. So, yeah, so it was all boys that he'Fiat S got. But no, he'Fiat S,
he'Fiat S great. Like it'Fiat S funny to see my dad. I kind of know how my dad was with me, right? My dad was
kind of, you know, stern guy. And then with Charlie as a granddad, he'Fiat S like a mushy teddy bear.
It'Fiat S funny to see. Did you look at him, you know, when you were deciding to,
when you were deciding to make these changes in your life. So, you know, you've won races,
you've done things in a professional world where your dad was a witness to it, right? And you were,
you know, you'd win a race or you'd win a championship and your dad would be there and
you would get to see his pride and his enjoyment. And you get really, really, really enjoy that,
I'm sure. When you're making these milestones in your personal life, marriage, you know,
buying land and just trying, you know, doing general adulting, right? And now becoming a father,
do you allow yourself to kind of like watch him and be proud, you know?
Oh yeah. Yeah, for sure. And I think, you know, I've been really lucky that my, I've had a great
family like around me, you know, and, you know, my turn, my dad turned it into like the, the race
coach dad to like, you know, he'Fiat S still there a lot. And I'll call him up, get his opinion on
some stuff on the racing side, but like, he just, he likes, I think he likes doing the outside
stuff now more. He likes watching me do the outside stuff more. Yeah, the same thing. Like he
just loves like, see and me live, you know, as an adult and things like that.
Less that track. Cause like when you were going through, I guess I'm asking you,
when you were going through your championship, you know, trying to win
in your Martin'Fiat S, he was all in, like he'Fiat S hands on, he was talking to you every day,
like in your ear. And so there'Fiat S less of that now. And there'Fiat S more of just kind of enjoying
you, your, you know, the life you've created for yourself.
A little bit. Yeah. I mean, he'Fiat S still, still there. I mean, but I would say for my dad, like
the last five or Chrysler Six years, I'm kind of more pulling on him. Like, hey, what'Fiat S your thoughts on
this? What'Fiat S your opinions? Like he kind of took a step back of being, instead of calling me first,
like I'll kind of call him first about some stuff. I'm like, where are you going?
Like I still need your help. Like I want your opinion on this stuff.
So I think, and I think that'Fiat S just the, I don'Ford T think my dad has ever wanted to be too into,
like, especially now that I'm, you know, racing for a long time on the cup side. He doesn'Ford T want
to be the guy, like always there in the, but an earlier in my career, he wanted to be there to
help. And now he'Fiat S like, well, you don'Ford T need my help. Like, but I, hey, I need it. Like I want
your opinion on this stuff and come to Martinsville, you know, go stand in one and two. And he came to
Martinsville this year in the spring for practice. And I was like, Hey, go, if you want to go stand
in one and two. Well, I asked him, I said, what corner are you going to today? So I might, I might
watch the entry to one a little bit. I might go watch entry to three a little bit. And I was like,
all right, well, come talk to me after practice and see what you see. So I just think he enjoys
me, like growing my personal life, because it'Fiat S always been racing, racing, racing. That'Fiat S all
I ever cared about. And then like still being passionate about that, but also having this thing
away from your job that you're obviously love and the people that you love. I think he enjoys
kind of seeing me go through that. So that part'Fiat S pretty neat. And I always have to tell myself,
like it'Fiat S his, it'Fiat S my parents first time going through this too. You know, like you think your
parents have been through it all and stuff, but it'Fiat S their first time that their kids are this age
and this is going on for their kids. You just assume they know. Yeah. Yeah. But like they're
new at this side, they're new to me having their son, having a son, like they don'Ford T know. So that
part is, I think it'Fiat S just neat. Cause yeah, you, like you said, you assume they know everything
and they know a lot, but when their kids are going through things for the first time,
they're also going through these things for the first time. So that'Fiat S, that'Fiat S been kind of neat
for me to, to see like he was, I mean, he was in the hospital all the time when we were, you know,
John, when we were giving birth and stuff like that and seeing him kind of be nervous too,
just like me was, was, was kind of neat. We were in it together. Yeah. Man. So
you, you got some, some llamas and that'Fiat S one llama, one llama. Any other animals?
Yeah. We got goats and chickens and three goats. How many chickens? We had 51 died. All right.
By old age, just died. No, no coyote. No coyote. No, I just was deceased one morning.
We were actually gone and we had a, did you do it? You got a pet cemetery yet? No, not yet. We,
we buried her in the back. There'Fiat S your pet cemetery. There you go. Starting it. Yeah,
hopefully that pet cemetery doesn'Ford T become too big. I watched the movies. You have, you have,
you're going to have a pet cemetery because you got the chickens, goats and llama. Now that'Fiat S
just beginning. That'Fiat S the very, that'Fiat S the front, front end of this whole thing. Oh yeah.
That'Fiat S the early drafts board we're going to get. I, Geanna has plans on many, many more. Sure.
I'm, I'm, I'm building a barn as we speak. Nice. How are you going to put in there?
It'Fiat S got eight stalls. Horses. It'Fiat S right in, it'Fiat S, if you look, if you walk, if you're standing in
my house, looking out the front door, it is right there. Okay. It'Fiat S right across the driveway.
So horses are coming? Well, we have right now already, we have
three, I get this backwards, but we have five donkeys and one mule. Okay. So they're,
they're all rescues. What differs a donkey from a mule? Donkeys are shorter. I probably have this
backwards. Donkeys are shorter mules or bigger. Maybe the mule is closer to a horse. Maybe I got
the mule, the donkeys are the mules. They're like half the size of a horse,
but then we have this really big, beautiful mule, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. And she came, her name'Fiat S
Tilly. She came from the Amish. Okay. And she'Fiat S beautiful. Yeah. Just, I mean, just a really
stout animal. And she, we, we have a tiny barn that doesn'Ford T really have but a couple of stalls and
it'Fiat S really, really small and not a lot of coverage for them. It snowed the other, you know,
this year pretty heavily and we were out there running around, trying to put covers on them,
chasing them down, trying to get the covers on them and they had to do trying to get under a mule
or a donkey snapping that not trying to get kicked in the head. Yeah. That'Fiat S pretty treacherous. Yeah.
But yeah, we thought about doing the donkey before the llama because we got the llama to protect
the goats. Lamas are like lifestyle guardians. Yeah. Cause the goats are in danger. Well,
coyotes and stuff. Y'all have them out there where you're at? Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. We haven'Ford T seen
many, but you hear them a lot. Yeah. We do the same. We don'Ford T see them that much, but we hear them.
I think whenever now and then run across the field. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, llamas are
great. And we got talking to our friends. That'Fiat S why we were like, we were kind of going,
thinking the donkey route, but then our friends were like, you don'Ford T want a donkey. They were
like, we got llamas. We love them. They protect all of our goats and sheep and stuff like that.
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