[S8, E12] Toyota's 'Budget' Supercar, F1 & Tony's New Cars

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I'm Sam from the YouTube channel SeemToGlass.

I'm Tony from Gravelwood Castells.

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We hope you enjoy the episode.

I'm incredibly sweaty.

Oh, we're recording.

Yay. Oh, we was just having a show.

You know, I learned from my favorite podcast,

which is Dax Shepard, armchair expert.

No idea.

Always be recording.

Always be on. Always be on.

Always be ready to go, which is quite a good metaphor for life.

Yeah. Always just be on.

Yes, be ready.

But we don't change a huge amount from not being on and being on.

What I mean by that is our conversations,

they're slightly more private, and, you know,

we say derogatory things about each other, and we swear more.

But in general, mate, we don't change a great deal, do we?

Well, they haven't heard my real voice,

because I've obviously hidden that for 10 years now.

Correct.

Every now and again, it slips through.

It's like a gutter.

So, apart from that, I have to put on this accent.

Now, I think, and, hey, look, our beloved customers

of our on-the-road driving tours, I think we'll attest to this fact.

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Of course.

It's what you get on the tip.

What it says on the tip.

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And actually, quick reminder on that,

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Oh, my God, yeah. Well, tell us about it.

Anyway, back to my original point.

I'm sweaty. I'm overdressed, because I'm going to a-

Why are you dressed like that, mate?

I'm going to the Tag Hoyer Christmas lunch.

I'm actually wearing a little on my tag called F1.

Now, this is an interesting story,

because we're going to get into F1 in two seconds.

Good job.

Tag Hoyer sponsored by Clarence.

Wow.

And in that year, I'm pretty sure they did do an orange dial,

even though at the time, McLaren weren't really papaya.

They are now.

Anyway, so this is my kind of celebratory landowner, McLaren.

Nice. Did Tag sponsor anything in F1 now?

Are you serious?

No, I just can't remember.

Do you watch F1?

Of course, like every week, religiously, practices everything.

Well, they are the headline timing partner of Formula One.

Oh, they are now. Could used to be Rolex, though.

Yes.

But you know when it counts down like, you know, one minute,

then clock moves?

Oh, that's the tag now?

Yeah.

I just have no idea.

I mean, like Tag Hoyer branding everywhere.

Oh, yeah.

I'm going to literally tell them that at lunch,

because that's a disaster.

I mean, they really should spend-

Well, the LVMH group are now like major global partners.

I think they're one of the leading partners of Formula One.

Right.

They're the ones who do the Louis Vuitton suitcase

with the Trophy Zane.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And part of that was to have Tag Hoyer as the official timing partner.

I mean, it's everywhere.

Fair.

The fact you haven't noticed is quite concerning.

I am going to point out to them that maybe they need to do more.

I don't know how they do that.

No, but don't go on me, mate, because I literally

are not paying attention.

Not well, clearly.

I just pay attention to the car.

Okay.

Well, we had a look.

Okay. Actually, let's start.

Well, let's get into it, because we said in the last week we would.

I know some of you don't love it when we talk about F1.

I actually don't love it when we talk about F1,

because nowadays, and maybe always,

people are so opinionated when it comes to Formula Like.

Oh, they're so aggressive, mate.

Some of them.

The online fan base of F1 has changed so much in the last 10 years.

Before it felt like this kind of like supportive, friendly,

like we love F1.

Everyone loves each other.

Where now it's like, you don't know anything to have as a comment,

or a post on Instagram about the 2020,

2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix over the weekend.

So many comments have been like so aggressive,

be like, you idiot, Max has won it.

Like, what are you on about?

Like, delete this post.

Like, no one's got any chance except Max.

And then, obviously, now everyone's commenting,

be like, how do you feel now, mate?

Yeah, because, I mean, that is a newer thing to be fair.

And this is not being derogatory to Max.

It is mostly Max fans.

No, no, it's not.

It's totally not.

I've seen so much of Max fans being aggressive.

Like, over the years.

Like, not just now.

Like, they are just really aggressive, mate.

And I think it's a newer audience as well.

Because don't forget, like, Formula One,

10 and 15 years ago, like, no one,

unless you were real, no one watched it, mate.

Well, okay, yeah, yes.

Compared to other big sports, you know.

Fandom was different.

Yeah.

People did watch it.

It did still have millions of viewers across the world,

but the interest was different.

But also social media was different.

Like, don't feel like the Vettel years,

the hate that Seb Vettel used to get

when he was at Red Bull, not a similar to Verstappen.

The booing, like, it's gone on forever.

Alonzo versus, sorry.

Alonzo versus Prost.

Asena versus Prost.

Schumacher versus Hagenon.

There have always been, and it's sport, right?

Same as football.

You're a football obsessive.

People love to get all up in there.

You're really raffing football.

But it's newer, I think, to Formula One

for people to be so, sort of,

absolutely gunna and prolific of,

well, feeling, feeling like they're experts.

You know, feeling like no one.

Anyway, so the reason I mention it

is because whenever we talk about F1,

the comments actually gets a bit grim

and a bit disgusting.

All we're going to do now

share our views and opinions of the race.

As the intro of this podcast says,

we are uninformed experts.

I mean, there are by...

No, because I say uninformed experts.

I'm just...

I'm just an informed enthusiast.

Oh, I'm really raffing it now.

We are uninformed experts.

There are, like, full-on F1 podcasts as well.

They're great.

They are great, but they are people like you and I.

They just have opinions.

Some of them are, mate.

Oh, yeah, some of them are.

Yeah, some of them are.

They are just two bloke's fans,

and that's up to them.

You don't have to listen to it.

Don't watch it.

Yes, okay.

Well, anyway, let's stop making excuses

for ourselves and the things that we're going to say

that are completely wrong.

But we are right, though.

No, I knew that was coming.

That's what I was trying to avoid.

Tell me everything, because we didn't speak

after the race, which I'm quite glad about.

On purpose, I think.

On purpose to wait for this moment now.

Tell me your thoughts and reactions to Lando Cl...

Oh, spoiler alert.

I mean, if you...

Yeah, I think we've given enough to Lando clenching the title.

Yeah, I mean, I've got to eat some humble pie, firstly,

and I feel that I need to apologise to Lando.

I mean, I'm sorry he won't listen, but I said at the start of the season,

he's not good enough.

Oscar's better than him, and clearly I was wrong, because he is,

because he's won.

So fair play to him.

Congratulations and all that nonsense.

I'm pleased for him, because he, and to be fair for him,

he was very magnanimous in victory.

He was very good in the way, because he knows

he's had a lot of critics over the years and people saying he's not good enough

and blah, blah, blah.

He's only there because of the money and all that nonsense.

But you don't win a world championship just through that.

You have to be good enough to win a world championship, it's not.

And then to protect myself as a council argument,

I have always said that Formula One drives,

they've put them all in exactly the same car.

There'll be two or three temps between all of them.

And this proves that that's the case.

How?

Well, because he has won, and no matter what Max fans say,

that Red Bull has been fast this year.

And we all pedal, put Max on a pedestal,

and I would tend to agree he's the best driver in the world right now.

And he is, clear.

But he's also, for the last four or five years, had the fastest car.

Right?

Back in the last year, you would say that the McLaren got on level par

and maybe was a bit quicker in some races.

And then you would say at the start of this year that the McLaren was quicker

and the Red Bull had some problems.

But it's not a shit box and then it gets that close to winning a championship.

Again, I go back to the fact, the reservation that I have with the greatest of all time

claims with Max is that Lando has fought all year, not just Max, but a proper teammate.

Because Oscars, I know he's only been in three years, but he's considered a proper

future world champion and Oscars beat him, fair and square.

Lando's beat Oscar, yeah.

Sorry, Lando's beat Oscar, fair and square.

Max has never had that level of teammate, essentially, science, but that was early on.

And that's a real, that's a big thing, mate.

Because what happens, what's happened this year?

I'd still fight you on that point.

No, no, no, I'm going to thank you.

But wait, because you fight me in a minute, right?

Because these are facts.

No, no, no, no, no.

These are not, no, these are facts.

These are not, this is not my opinion.

No, that is your opinion.

Okay, but I'm talking from, this is what's happened.

No, no, but your opinion about the teammates, I think is wrong and it's not a fact.

Okay, keep going.

Okay, fine, you can tell me why in a minute.

But that's my only, because the teammates, if they're nearly as good or as good as each other,

they'll take points of each other all year, which they have, essentially.

When you have someone that's clearly better than a teammate, like Max has been,

then he takes all the points.

So that's really what I'm getting at.

And then you can't get that close to a championship without having a fast car.

The car, that's Formula One, the 90% of the time, the winning,

the driver that wins the driver's championship is from the team that won the Constructors'

Championship.

Yeah, fair.

So this isn't about Max, anyway, I just wanted to point that out.

It's just that I don't like the claims that people put him on that pedestal as the greatest

of all time and all that nonsense, because I don't think that's been proven yet.

I'd be happy to say that he is once he's proved it, but I don't think that's been proven yet.

Yeah, going back to Lando, he showed everyone throughout the course of the year, especially

the second part of the year, that he is a proper, full-on, proper driver.

I've seen so many bad comments over the course of the weekend about he's this and he's not the

best driver, he's not the... Like, let him have his moment, mate.

He's just won the world championship, which, by the way, there's now four drivers on the

current grid that have ever done that and 35...

No, that's the more impressive thing, 35 F1 world champions ever.

That's the matter fact.

It's an incredible achievement.

It's been a long time since we've had that many world champions on the grid.

It probably goes back to when Schumacher came back with Mercedes and you had Hamilton,

Schumacher, Alonso, Reichenan, Rostberg, obviously retired, so I think five champions on the grid

at any, I think, correct me if I'm wrong there, F1 fandom.

Well, look, can I pick you up on a few things?

Firstly, I think the Verstappen teammate thing is so not fair, because I would argue Ricardo

and Perez were in their primes and in their moments as good as anyone, and I think Oscar

three seasons in is no better than a peak Perez and a peak Ricardo.

I think neither... Well, Ricardo is debatable, but neither is necessarily delivered or definitely

Perez didn't deliver in that Red Bull seat in the way that people expected or hoped,

or that was necessarily competitive enough against Max, but as we have seen time and time

and time and time and time and time again, that car is built specifically to suit Max's

driving style and most other drivers, 99% of our drivers cannot extract performance out of that car,

but Perez at his peak, I would argue, is or was as good as Oscar has been this year because

Oscar had his, you know, losing of his mojo for whatever that would be, and I thought was what I

loved in the commentary, which by the way, I thought Rundle and Crofty's commentary was really bad

on Sunday. It was very downbeat, lacking in a lot of enthusiasm, a bit fumbled, like it was a bit

of a... I just thought it was weird, even when he crossed the line, there was a real lack of any

kind of like, yeah, I saw that. And Lando Norris, it was like, and there he goes. It's very strange,

I thought that. I saw that as well. I thought, why didn't they, because I was expecting a really big

whomar, especially a British driver, but they've had some criticism over the last couple of years,

Sky as well, with championing British drivers. But even for their highlights,

they haven't got that moment of Lando. Very weird moment. But they said, or Brundle said,

each of the three drivers, Max, Oscar and Lando, it's really been a season of peaks and troughs,

like they've both, they've all three had their moments, at no real point were all three of them

on top form. Like there was maybe one or two races where all three were kind of

extracting the most. But Red Bull had their slow start to the year. There was a great piece as

well, which I saw with Ted Kravitz speaking to Oscar Piastri back in Canada, maybe, where he said

that he'd spoken to Christian Horner, so that their strategy was essentially to just stay as

close as they could for the first half of the year. And then from the summer break onwards,

and Singapore specifically really turned the screw, which is exactly what they did. And Max

turned up his level and the car was arguably the quicker. I think the Red Bull was the quicker car

for the second half of the season. I agree. And to be fair to Max, because as well,

the level of driver that he is, I don't think very often, I can't think of many weekends

where he doesn't turn up. He gives 100%. He rarely, which is, but not contradicting my argument,

I'm just telling you that this is what he does. He is like an eight or nine out of 10,

and sometimes a 10 out of 10 every week. So maybe his form was consistent, but the Red Bull form

wasn't. Fair. And then Oscar, well, Lando had a dip in form at the start of the year for him.

Then Oscar had his dip of form in the second half. So that was kind of how it ended up with

these three drivers at the end, which is what a Formula One World Championship should be,

the whole point about these championships. The reason why the Schumackers, the Alonsoes,

the Vettels, the Verstappens are so impressive is because of the consistency of their form,

not just year after year after year, but throughout a year. They're able to operate at that level,

because realistically, there was a real chance there that McLaren or sorry, Lando or Oscar,

we're going to throw away that championship. Max really just threw, as you say, the consistency

throughout the year and just delivering exactly the maximum of the package that he could every

weekend nearly stuck in there and grabbed it. I think we've seen that from him for many, many years,

even before he won his World Championship. That Red Bull car has been fast for a lot of years now.

Of course. And people forget that even in Mercedes dominant years, that Red Bull still won races.

Of course, yeah. They've been a top team since 2010 onwards. They have been a championship

contending team. And the way the team operate, you can see from a professional level,

it operates differently to McLaren. 100%. The not just Max doesn't make mistakes,

the team, they nail it. When Mercedes were dominant, it's a package, isn't it?

Because there's lots of people involved and football is the same and all these team sports,

there's lots of people involved. And when they're all singing from the same hymn sheet,

let's say you win championships. And that's what Lando proved like, was they may have had

peaks and troughs, and he may have had moments where he was theoretically underperforming the

package. He still got the results that were required to win the championship. That's how you

win a championship is just, you've got to extract the maximum across the season. And unfortunately,

Oscar's dip in form in inverted commas was more significant than Lando's at the start of the

season. And so that's where it kind of all mounted up to. But I mean, I am ecstatic for Lando.

Because of multiple reasons. Firstly, it's a new story, a different story for Formula One.

I think it's refreshing. I think he's a very different F1 driver. A lot of people hate it.

A lot of people hate the fact that he sort of shows emotions, talks about,

wears heads out, admits that he finds Max a faster, more all-round driver than him.

All these things, they're like, oh, this is so weak of him. BS, I'm sorry, welcome to 2025,

like, grow up. I think it's amazing that he's been so open in his mindset, his struggles,

admitting when he's not feeling it, or because who cares? He's done it. It doesn't matter,

you know, like how you go about it. And so are you dealt with it now? Over the years,

you know, lots of champions have been questioned in terms of, you know, how they've gone about

things. And, you know, when Rosberg bailed after winning a championship, people are like, oh,

because he just couldn't handle the pressure of coming back. And it doesn't matter. They did it,

you know, like, and I saw it such a fascinating moment. Think about his life. Lando knows specifically,

you know, literally from whatever age that has been his goal and his ambition. He's worked every

day, day and day out to be F1 world champion. And there must have been moments where he thought,

oh, I wonder if this is ever going to happen. And it doesn't for most. No, of course it doesn't

for most, like 35 ever. You know, like, you know, it's ridiculous. So, but he's now achieved it.

What a sort of sense of absolute overwhelming pride and joy. And we saw that. And I loved his

reaction. I thought his reaction was perfect. It was not, it was sort of celebratory, but not

cocky or arrogant. He was very graceful in the victory, showed that emotion with his parents,

you know, all of that stuff. It was kind of perfect. But yeah, so I just think it's cool.

I think it's a change up. You know, I saw a great meme. You know, the Verstappen thing is so interesting

you say, like, even you, like, I think you share quite passionate opinions about him one way or

another. And I really like him as a driver. I even like his personality. The thing that I

challenge is the greatest of all time pedestal because I don't think he's proved that yet.

I don't think he's proved what Schumacher Hamilton and I don't know a great deal about,

but Senna, they're the three really that stand out for me personally. So, and I just don't think

he's, for lots of reasons, I don't think he's proved that yet. Sorry to cut you off because

we're repeating ourselves. Only in the sense of, look, like, no matter what, he's a divisive

character. No matter what, you, I set you up and you just start going again. It evokes something

in it. But there was this great thing which was like, and he said it, right? He said, I want to

get some haters back because all of my haters have become fans. And there was this great,

there's them comments I really like. It was the Ford versus Ferrari film where at the end,

I'm not going to complete my back. So I think, is it, who, is it Fassbender? No, who plays?

Yeah, this is Fassbender, isn't it? Who plays Carroll Shelby? No, who plays Carroll Shelby?

Not Fassbender. Who played Batman? Oh, I'm over on my blank. Oh, Flippin L, what's his name? He played

a... He wasn't, he doesn't play Carroll Shelby. Oh, I'm having a complete my back. Anyway, sorry.

I saw that meme. We're talking about F1 and he looks up and there's Enzo Ferrari tipping the

cap and it's like Verstappen watching Lando win and then F1 fans nodding. I completely have

forgotten all of my references there and that's wholly embarrassing. But a lot of people would

have seen that meme. And there was that funny thing with Maxis. We all sort of sat there

expecting a lot from him and how, and it was a bit of a like, you know, well done for putting

on a show. But I think Lando kept his cool. It was brilliant. It was amazing. Oscar,

yeah, lots to be read into and understood about what happened with his season and weather.

But we all expect if the car's there, he has the material for it. Yeah. No, I mean,

I was ecstatic. I think it's just a great F1 story and moment and who knows going into

next year. And there's so many question marks over what Formula One is going to look like next

year in the Pekka Moda. You know, that might have been Lando's moment and he grabbed it. And I think

that's awesome. And yeah, I just... And who cares if he only wins one? Oh my God, there's

position. I mean, Reagan and Barton. Do we all just knock them and say what? Exactly. It doesn't

matter. Mansell? Yeah, yeah. He's been there competing now for a number of years. Seven years?

Oh, yeah, yeah. But in terms of like being in the action, pole positions, podiums, like,

you know, race victories and stuff like that. So anyway, really good news story.

Really good. But yes, weird sky coverage. Yeah, very odd. Very, very odd and downplaying.

And sets us into, yes, this kind of next year that's just got so many question marks. You know,

Hamilton being very outspoken about Ferrari. That was fascinating. I thought he's really not holding

back, is he? In the last interview he done? Well, in the last few weeks, it's basically like,

I've tried guys, I've been trying my best this year to like implement changes and make this

team do what I do to change. So like, where do I go from here? If the changes don't happen,

what are we doing? Which I think is quite... For a Ferrari driver, he's quite outspoken and we saw

how they clapped back at him earlier in the year. Yeah. And he's had a lot of critics this year and

some of it is down to him and some of it's down to Ferrari, of course. And he says he doesn't

listen to watch comments or listen to the media and that, but he does, mate.

Oh, of course. Well, he gets asked the questions. Because he's bit back a couple of times.

Yeah. You know, he's bit back at Rosberg at the weekend.

Yes. Yeah, he loves it. Whenever anyone gets involved in that sense, yeah.

So he does. And rightly so, I think they all look, because they're human beings, mate.

Well, none of us know what's going on behind the scenes. None of us know what's going on behind

the scenes. And you can see that up and down the grid. There's so many stories in there to

understand and to try and work out what's going on and what next year looks like. And as I say,

yeah, it's hard to understand what Formula One is going to be next year.

And but I think we've got to think positive and assume that whilst we might have an

interestingly or slightly disappointing start to the year, they'll as ever get on top of all

these regulations. And it's weird. They've all basically come out now and said that they've all

hated driving that car. Yeah. And that man. Unreal, isn't it? You never really realised that this

year, but they all said it was a that was awful and horrible. Little Oscar in the cooldown room.

He's only been driving them three years. He's like, thank God, I've got to drive those again.

He's the most dominant time he's hated that car. Yeah. All hate driving those cars. Crazy,

isn't it? But when you look at the rules for next year and what the feedback is, I don't know.

I don't think they're going to enjoy driving those anymore. They're all going to be begging for the

25 cars back. When it rains, they're all going in the wall. You think so? Oh, mate. It's got

because they've got way too much talk. Yeah. They've got no bloody downforce like they had this

time or not as much relatively. It's just going to be a massive crash, mate.

It's going to be very interesting to see. So let's wait and find out. But yes, we are pro-Lando

winning. Absolutely. I'm terrified of what the comments are going to be. I'm terrified.

It's just our opinion. I almost tend to turn the comments. No, not about that. Just about the

thing in general. They'll be like, he didn't deserve it. And I know he was crap. Fine. Bore off.

And do you know what? He will not give a toss. I hope not. Because at the end of the day,

he'll still be drunk somewhere. Yeah. And fair play to him, mate.

He should be right. Yes. Anyway, let's put a pin in the F1 chat because I'll say it's not,

we're not on F1 podcast. No, we could be. But I think we'd be crap at doing it. So let's move on

to what we're also crap at doing. Yeah, I said, something else would crap at doing. Talk about

cars. I really want to quiz you about, because you called me last week and it was a hilarious

phone call. We're going to talk about in a moment. But before we get into that,

you called me another time to talk about that Toyota, which I think we've got to discuss the

GR GT. I'd like one. Would you? I think so. Okay, tell me why, because it's just a bit different.

That's right. Yeah. And everyone's going on about how long it is, but it's only two centimeters

longer than an M4. It's yes, it looks longer than what it is. I think the dimensions are

deceiving. It's a bit like a viper. Well, look at you. Not the dimensions, the proportions are

deceiving. It looks really long and really wide and really low. But yeah, when you actually look

at the numbers, you're like, oh, it's not actually that big. It's not an MGGT. Yeah, I think it's

similar dimensions. I think it's a bit smaller or it's definitely lower. Yeah, it's a weird shape.

Yeah, I don't like the way it looks. I'd be like that. No, but I don't. Okay, that's fine. Do you

like the way it looks? I don't mind it. It actually weirdly reminds me a little bit of the McMurtry.

Yeah. Yeah, it's an expanded McMurtry, because that really long bonnet,

and then the little tiny cabin and the little tiny... Shall I go in? It's not dissimilar to McMurtry

vibes, but I don't know. I looked at it and I was like, it looks like it's been squished.

All right. Shall I go on? Yeah, carry on, mate. I don't like it.

But a lot of people said that about the M4 when it come out and everyone loves it.

But that full of the more traditional route, this is a shape which...

I don't know. I just don't... It might be not a future design language. You never know what's

coming around the corner, mate. And let's wait until I see it in the flesh.

I'm very disappointed that the LFA, which is like its bigger brother, is electric only.

Well, it's... I'm pissed off for that. Okay, hold on. Calm down.

You've jumped ahead. You've jumped the gun. You've jumped the gun.

Okay, fine. So what else excites you about the GRGT? Well, it's got a V8 engine.

Nice. Like that. Weirdly similar to the AMG GT. It's a four-litre bi-turbo in the hot V,

600-odd horsepower, right? Yeah, but it is a Toyota engine.

Yes, but just very similar. Yeah.

And very mild, mild, mild hybrid. It's essentially sort of related to the gearbox,

this torque fella, essentially, right? Yeah. Okay.

It's got cup two tyres, which I like.

Okay, sorry. Editors notes, you are correct. EV tyres are more expensive.

I know. From last week.

Yeah. Okay, go on. Sorry. Yes, it's got cup two.

You know what I hate as well, by the way, is that when I have a conversation like that,

and I have to go and check myself. To your research.

Yeah, I have to... Because I know. But then...

I know you think you know. I know. I know you think you know.

And then when I double checked, I was right. So, again.

Go on. So, okay, he's got cup two tyres. What else do you like?

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Well, I'm going to like the way it drives. You think?

I think, because... I think it's got the characteristics of an AMG GTR, which if it

as... I like them. Okay.

Bit of a brute. Bit of a pain in the ass. Nice and fast. Do a bit of wigglies.

Do a bit of GT stuff. I don't love the interior. Oh, why?

Because it's very Japanese. Yes.

Bit low quality, essentially. Bit Toyota.

Bit... Well, most profitable car maker in the world.

I know, but in terms of Japanese interiors. Yeah. Yeah, okay, fine.

What did she find me on there? I was agreeing with your point.

I feel like it's a bit Japanese.

Yes, Toyota. Well, hold on a second.

I... Well, it's got ceramic brakes. I'd like them.

It does from Brembo.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'd like them. Ferrari used them.

Do you want to fact check that or you know?

No, no.

No, no. Okay, good.

What else?

Pin that. Have you seen all these articles about

Ferrari brakes failing and there might be a significant issue and there's been some

research done because they keep crashing and killing people.

Have you not seen that? No.

Let's bring that up in a second.

So, I'm going to jump in. I love the simplicity of it.

It's pretty straightforward. Yes.

No over-complicated hybrid systems.

Over-complicated like the suspension to double wishbone all round.

No like crazy overactive suspension. No insane aero.

It's kind of like the GI 86 formula, which we love and adore in supercar form.

It's like, go on.

And I'll tell you what you said, very interested on the phone,

which took me back a little bit when you went,

mate, it's a bit underwhelming. It's like only 650 horsepower.

And I went, what, only? And I got what you're saying.

Yes.

It should be 800, 900 or whatever.

But I almost like the fact that it is, because 650 horsepower is more than enough power.

And they're quoting around 17, 1750 kilos, aren't they?

It's fine.

Which is, you know, these days, fine.

I would have liked it to be a little bit lighter.

They haven't confirmed fine.

No, but I would have like 1200.

Because they're, no, no, but they, again,

like it's a bit hard to read because there's a Toyota right.

And we'll come on to the next point in a second.

Where it competes with, we're thinking it's going to be in line with,

as you say, AMG GT GT3.

Like it's going to be circuit one.

Not GT3.

No, no, but in terms of price wise, like 151, 6170, maybe.

Is it going to be that much?

Well, they should undercut those, shouldn't they, with the Toyota badge.

Yeah.

But they're saying it's going to be somewhere around there.

And I like, you say, you know, plenty of power.

But as a new supercar, and given the fact that we see so many cars with crazy amounts of,

anyway, I think there's more they could have got from that package if they wanted to.

So maybe we'll see a GRGTS or a GRGTY.

I want Toyota to do what Nissan did with the GTR all them years ago,

and really shake up that sports car market.

You know, I want to...

The cool if it came in at 115.

No, I want it to come in at 80 grand.

And like, literally...

That would be unbelievable.

Yeah, because that was what the GTR was all them years ago.

You know, a Porsche was 100 grand, and that doinked in at 58,000 quid,

or whatever it was back in the day.

And I know they've, you know, they've only just finished them,

but they're only 80 or 90 grand now.

So if it came...

But that's right.

If it came in at like 110, that would be...

Because many GT3s these days, 160, aren't they?

165, something like that.

So...

Plus plus.

Plus plus, and the name GT is 200 odd.

So like, you know, it's...

I think if they came in anywhere under 150, that would be a good move.

I wouldn't spend 150 grand on a Toyota.

I'm so sorry.

I really like...

No, I agree.

I agree.

I mean, that's weight.

Because it's a price point.

You know, every manufacturer has a price.

I mean, they sell bloody Yaris's, mate.

Yes.

But I think if it's in line with an M3, pricing-wise?

100.

100 odd.

Yeah.

Plus like a little bit like a little...

No, I would say 110 is the maximum they should go to.

Okay.

You think it should be under 100?

I think it would be fantastic if it was like...

98, 99, 99.

It would be.

It would be unbelievable.

I don't see it in today's market.

But unbelievable if they did it.

I agree.

But yes, the simplicity of the GRID, and this is what I think

Gazoo Racing are doing so well.

That whole department at Toyota, which is...

You know, I was...

I was at the start, Tony, with the Yaris GRM.

And I remember hearing all that kind of their ambitions

for the GR brand.

And it's the simplicity, the sort of drive-of-focus simplicity,

which they've been doing, they're sticking true to.

If we applaud the GT department at Porsche,

staying true to their...

They are sticking true to like the uncomplicated

drive-of-focus simplicity.

That GRGT, which is not the greatest name ever,

it does what it says.

Like, you know, big old year, rear wheel drive,

HB gearbox, minimal hybrid, like, bang, tick the box.

We don't know what it's going to do yet,

because no one's driven it.

But no, we hope.

We keep our fingers crossed.

And based on the other GR products,

I think we can be hopeful.

I think it'd be a great car.

Corolla, Yaris.

Personally.

All will be good.

Let's move on to the Lex thing.

So, you're right.

Now, it's weird because the GRGT is kind of a spiritual

success to the LFA, but there is a new LFA coming,

which as you say, is electric only.

But based on the GRGT platform.

Which I'm really annoyed about.

So, that is Toyota positioning the brands, aren't they?

Looks like it.

So, I guess Lexus is going to be this high-end electric.

It's a bit like Jag.

They've chosen to make Lexus the high-end electric brand.

Yeah.

But have we not seen with the Maserati Volgore and the...

Maybe something else electric.

Maybe something else.

The Lotus thing.

No, that's like a hypercar.

A few other of these companies that have done electric

performance versions, no one really wants them.

Everyone's going to buy the GRGT, aren't they?

Who buys the electric LFA?

But they're going to make them in such minimal numbers,

aren't they?

The electric LFA?

Correct.

Yes.

Yeah.

And they're going to mass produce the...

GRGT.

Interesting it's on the same platform.

Yes.

It's like money, money, money for them.

Cash, cash.

Cash, cash, cash.

But I think that's what it is.

So, we just have to see the GRGT as the LFA successor.

And the LFA is rampant.

And they're just using the bad.

Like, I get it.

I do get it.

But you're right.

I kind of wish it was the other way around.

I think the internet said to us once that you can't have a

combustion engine on an electric platform and vice versa.

Well, yes, you can.

Clearly.

So, internet wrong.

Tony Sam?

Correct.

Again.

Or not.

I'm not going to say it.

It's true.

I'll let you say it.

Um, yeah.

Well, you know, excited, right?

I need to email Tony to Piagas.

I've not seen him for a while and now I really want to.

Hey guys, what's up?

You know what?

I have a car that I want to drive.

So, let's watch this space and see

as and when that kind of feed us out.

But yeah, anyway, be good.

A good day for the performance car world, when you say.

Yeah, yeah.

Really good.

Speaking of performance cars,

we'll come back to the Ferrari break stories.

No, I want to talk about the two cars

that you called me last week going,

you'll never guess what I've just bought for stock.

Oh, oh, oh, yeah.

If you're one, no one's new to the sport cars.

Not when you look at subscribers.

If you haven't listened for a while,

which is more likely and you're coming back

for some weird reason.

Don't be like that.

Tony for the last few years.

Well, you know, really coming out of the car buying bubble,

the inflation car buying bubble,

you made a sort of move ahead of time

and it was sort of genius in the grand scheme

of things. It's so annoying to give you that credit.

Well, lucky I would have gone bust.

Yeah, switching to a low end of the market

and selling more volume, less, you know,

any price or whatever.

And so you've been selling, I think we can call them,

you know, every day.

Yeah, yeah.

20 grand, 25 grand stuff.

Yeah, it's not particularly enthusiast focused cars

for two or two and a half years.

Yeah, nearly, nearly two years.

And obviously switched to commercials

at the start of the year.

Which is a good move as well,

because they're doing all right as well.

So it's basically why I haven't filmed anything

at ground forward for a couple of minutes.

So I'm like, what have you got?

Start in a minute.

It's the real reason why I change the socks.

So I haven't got to see you more often.

See you more than enough.

Well, I'm coming back because you've got two cars

that I really want to film.

Yeah, well, one was probably going to be broke, but okay.

It was, not both.

So go on.

Tell me what you, because I think the audience

are going to sort of slightly spit out

their cups of coffee at this point,

because this is so off-brand you.

A bit like when you told me

you were going to start collecting modern classics.

So go on.

I still am doing that.

Okay, cool.

Hey, maybe these two.

No, mate.

Why not?

Well, maybe one of them, but not the other one.

Not on modern classics, too new.

Go on.

Tell us everything.

Fine.

So I have purchased, now, as stock.

As stock, just for context, it is my job,

and I have a margin in these cars,

and a healthy one at that, which is why I bought them.

Well, I'm going to cut that out.

Someone's going to come along and kick in the balls.

Well, our turn to go away.

You ain't got to cut it out.

Business.

I wouldn't have had them.

I wouldn't have bought them if they,

basically, these cars have to have a good margin

and basically, because they need to.

Okay, you sort of thought there's actually

some money to be made there.

They're good value.

I thought they were good value.

So I have bought a 2018 Aston Vantage sports shift,

so last of the old shape, but it's an AMR.

So this is quite an interesting car.

I thought so, too.

A real run-out model.

Yes.

When they were introducing this AMR badge or brand.

Yeah.

And it was sort of like, how do we,

it's just the spicy version, isn't it?

Well, I don't think there's any more power

or anything like that.

What color is it?

Greeny gray color.

Okay.

With a black stripe over it.

Not the, not, it's very subtle.

It's very nice.

And it's black and silver inside.

Must sound very good.

It's all good, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's all right.

It's done, it's done, it's got all prop house, every,

this is the only good thing about Aston Martins,

normally, over the years, the ones that I've had,

people always look after them.

Bit like Ferrari.

They really love them, you know?

So it's coming to me, coming to our Land Rover dealer

that we deal with.

The wheels are corroded, obviously.

Oh, obviously.

No, it's common, it's common.

Yeah, the back lights, bleep water.

Oh, cool.

We've got to do that, but it's normal.

There's no rust on it, which is good.

This car's done 29,000 miles,

so a little bit higher miles than the rest of them around, but...

It's going to go up for sale at 62 grand,

which is the cheapest AMR by a mile.

Yeah, it's got 15 grand of options on it.

And SportShift 2 was actually all right, wasn't it?

Yeah, it's got Apple CarPlay as well.

Yeah, I can imagine that little tiny screen that pops up.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But it's all the coolness, all the ambience,

like everyone knows I love that era and that shape.

And that could possibly be a future classic, that car.

Agreed.

Not yet.

I would argue, man, you're all four.

All right.

What does that work out finance-wise?

Give me a rough finance equation on that.

You got anything off the top of your head?

No, no, no, not off the top of my head.

No, no, no.

Cool, cool.

Because if this is your value, it won't be that good.

You will be able to get a balloon on it, though.

OK.

Well, maybe I'll come and do a real.

Yeah.

I don't know if I'll do a...

But don't yet, because on my way back yesterday,

when I was driving it back, the engine management,

like, come on.

OK, cool.

You're all trying to sell this car.

Which is completely normal.

No, no, we'll fix it.

OK.

But it's completely normal.

I mean, that's why I've slagged them off over the years,

because they're just bloody brake.

And then the second car?

Yeah.

This I hope don't brake.

And if it does brake, it's got manufacturer warranty.

It is a first edition Lotus Amira.

Hello.

Yeah.

And it's the manual V6 one.

I've not had one of them in stock before.

And again, come from the same dealer as the Vantage.

I thought it looked a hell of a lot of car for the money,

value-wise.

It's done 2,500 miles.

Basically brand new.

It's basically brand new.

It's green with tan.

So it ticks all the enthusiasm spots.

Of course.

And same thing, that's going to be like 62, 63 grand.

How'd you driven that car?

I don't know if I've driven one.

No.

Have you taken that one out for a blast?

It's not in yet.

I'm going to get it on Thursday.

And I've got to go to Wales to go and get it.

Oh.

So I've got a lovely drive home.

Oh.

Yeah.

Well, can you take the avoid motorways route to begin with?

Yeah, I will.

Because that is actually a great car.

When are you getting it?

Mate, when it brakes down.

Mate, when are you getting it?

When are you getting it?

Thursday.

OK, so next week.

Yeah.

Mark my words.

It's very good that car,

because this is written all over it,

a Tony backtrack.

I know what you're going to say.

You're going to say, oh, it's just a Evora.

It's very similar.

I wouldn't buy one over it came.

But just can you just for a second?

Mate, I do tell the truth.

I know.

Oh, it's manual though, isn't it?

You're going to, uh, actually, I know you're not going to backpedal.

I know you're not going to like it.

No, let me just say first, all right?

Because I drove that car.

Yeah.

Not that car, but I drove the Amirah for the first time.

This time of year, if you remember up to Scotland,

to go on an adventure, two or three day Scotland.

And I just thought, what a cool thing,

but they haven't really delivered on their promise

in the sense where we all thought

that was a good turning point for Lotus, all I did.

And then this, you know, people have sold them.

I mean, there you go.

Two and a half thousand miles, he's got out.

So they clearly don't.

Get that new free car though, mate.

Yeah.

But I think they just don't live up to,

you remember, we've spoken about it before,

when they launched at Goodwood,

and the Lotus stand was just,

you couldn't get on the Lotus stand because of the excitement.

We were there.

Yeah, yeah.

And then I drove out, though, a mega piece of kit,

but yeah, hasn't quite translated.

You don't see the, but I do think it's an unbelievable car.

Actually, weirdly, when we went,

when I did that trip recently over to Luxembourg and the Nürburgring

in the CS, following Amirah on the French auto route for a while,

I was like, it is like, it is a wicked car as an alternative.

Like, they are amazing.

But this is always that but, which comes with the Lotus badge.

Yeah, it reminds me of like an Alpine 110.

It's that sort of car.

But I would have that over an Alpine every day of the week,

personally.

But, well, look, go you.

Finally getting some enthusiast cars back in stock.

Yeah, well, the market's settled now.

I mean, this is time of year.

It's not great for sports cars,

but like I said, they were the right money.

So, well, I'm not going to reveal too much of my plans for next year,

but there are some changes coming to the main channel next year.

Right, nice.

Firstly, I'm switching to Saturday uploads.

Saturday uploads, why?

For the last five years, I've done midday on Sunday.

Yeah, you know, the problem with that now,

which is happening, clashes with F1.

And is that a problem?

Yes, I actually see Sunday uploads in and around F1 performing worse.

Wow.

Switching to Saturday, but also for me and my lifestyle,

because I just...

My lifestyle.

I cannot tell you the amount of evenings, Saturday nights,

that I'm editing till 1 or 2 a.m.

And I just don't like it.

So, what I want to do is finish my videos on a Friday night,

upload for Saturday lunchtime and get a weekend back.

Yeah, nice.

Because it's anyway, so it helps me, I think as well,

whether you watch it on a Sunday or not,

doesn't, you know, makes no difference to when you watch the video,

that's because you have YouTube.

But I'm going to switch to Saturday uploads, firstly.

Morning or night?

Oh, no, midday.

Midday Saturday.

And then on top of that, the cars that you just...

I'm going to...

I say, I don't want to reveal too much,

but I want to get back into focusing on featuring one on those,

those enthusiast cars that I love and enjoy.

That tickle my fancy.

Sorry, enough.

So, yeah, lots of exciting stuff,

lots of cool plans for the start of the year.

And you just walked in through the studio garage

and saw a load of tyres.

Like I did, didn't you?

I did, yeah.

All my winter tyres have arrived.

And this weekend...

All of them, eight.

Eight tyres.

I've got the CS one coming too,

because I've suddenly got a CS plan for next year.

Twelve.

They've been hard to get hold of.

Have they?

Oh, my God.

Anyway.

Can we say what mate they are?

Yeah, so the project date's going on,

continental winter contacts.

TS 380s.

Is that what it's meant to have for?

No, so there's no official...

Well, I don't think there's any official

winter tyre set for the...

I actually didn't even ask.

The GT3 is going in the Michelin Alpins,

the Pilot Alpins.

So they are there, the Porsche,

getting the proper Porsche tyres.

The continental winter contact TS860s is.

Nice.

But I went with that because...

So I took the Continental's on the Boxster trip.

They're just good.

They were what's available.

Really?

Yeah, and in the sizes.

It's got really weird tyre sizes there.

Your Jag.

Yeah, the Jag.

Goes with the Cal.

Two, six, five, 35s on the front,

three or five 30s on the rear.

Really hard to get...

Anyway, so they'll be fine.

I mean, they'll do the job.

So off to Switzerland this weekend and that.

Nice.

Lovely.

GT3 got an adventure booked right at the start of January,

and then the CS shortly after that.

So yeah, tyres everywhere.

Why don't we talk about winter tyres?

Look at it.

Anyway.

Should you go in a way?

Oh yes, anyway.

Anyway, so it's tough to come next year,

but I just wanted to get that out now.

Just compare people as of January.

Especially from Saturday.

Sunday to Saturday.

Just be ready, don't catch stuff I've got.

Matt Armstrong says that he does the same.

Won't upload...

Around Grand Prix.

Because of the Grand Prix, yeah.

Yeah, it's...

I mean, especially this.

I went live at five or six...

No, six p.m. on Sunday,

because of the...

I thought no one's going to be...

No one's going to watch it.

...as a disaster.

Yeah, fair.

And it did seem to actually do all right.

Right.

So we'll take that.

Anyway, final story.

Now, I maybe do need to get my laptop here,

because I'm going to be a bit annoyed if I generally...

Oh, okay, finally I'm on the Wi-Fi.

You on?

Yeah, I'm on.

So, to be fair, my mum wrote this story to me.

Your mum?

My mum.

And then lovely Matt from Aston Martin,

who we both know,

forwarded to me as well.

And I went, oh, both Daily Mail readers.

Anyway, exclusive.

Supercar strategy are failing brakes

in 200,000 pound Ferrari supercars,

causing a wrath of devastating accidents.

British banker Robert Ebert remembers it vividly.

Slamming so hard on his Ferrari brakes,

that his back slid up the seat,

yet his supercar continued to hurtle towards a concrete wall.

I mean, I shouldn't read it like this,

and I shouldn't mock,

because some of these stories are quite serious,

and they're talking about also fatalities,

so I'm going to stop joking around.

But essentially...

People have died.

Well, there is a...

Robert's lawyers have lodged an application

at the High Court to ask whether the world's

most famous luxury brand would or should have known

about a devastating braking fault.

Now, wow, it's hard to know, isn't it?

And maybe you're more aware of things like this than I am.

It's not unusual post an accident,

severe on severe, for an individual to sue

or inquire with a manufacturer,

in terms of potential default or whatever.

Yeah, yeah, or fault.

Now, as far as I'm aware,

and classic, my phone is not loading,

there is a belief that they have found something

within the system.

Ferrari.

Yes.

Right.

No, no, no.

The individual, I believe.

I don't think...

You know, I think they're asking Ferrari

to kind of look into this.

To look into it.

Now, when did Ferrari switch to Brake By Why?

Was it 296?

I think it was 296.

It wasn't F8.

F8 did now Brake By Why, did it?

Good question.

I'm not sure.

Okay.

Well, I'm not sure.

I don't like Brake By Why.

No, I don't think anyone likes anything By Why.

That was the best part,

when I was with Mr Yang Wang.

Yang Wang?

Mr Yang Wang.

Yeah, yeah, your mate.

Mark, he said that after he set his 308 mile an hour record,

he found out it's steer by wire.

Is that what he said?

After.

And he was like, I would have really liked to know that in advance.

So, thank God I didn't know,

because I'm not sure I would have had the same kind of thing.

So, here we go.

I'm just trying to make sure I've opened the wrong link.

That's helpful, isn't it?

Okay.

So, I'm just trying to load this for us.

But it is an interesting one,

because I think this is the Daily Mail

getting a bit over the carrier wave.

But of course, over the years with the manufacturers, fires,

remember when all the McLaren P1s kept catching fires?

Senna's catching fires.

Ferrari, Porsche, Lamborghini.

And obviously, Carrera GT, Paul Walker.

The issue they had with the locking wheel,

that wasn't it?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, this does happen.

Of course.

I haven't heard of any.

BMW had a brake problem, not so long ago.

They did with their hybrid electric when it was recooled.

Big brake problem, yeah, yeah.

Have you heard anything about Ferrari breaking issues?

So, I've just told you.

No, no.

So, I do think that this might be a mail-on line,

and an individual seeking conversation about what I all are.

But it's something we should keep an eye on.

Of course.

And an interesting one, because, say like,

I need to know what model to go about.

I don't, being that I've had many Ferraris,

I have never really liked the feel on Ferrari brakes.

Really?

Honestly, mate, yeah.

Fascinating.

Yeah, not even the pistas.

The feel of the pedal.

Yeah, I much prefer the Porsche brakes.

Like, genuinely.

I mean, they're good and they work, but...

Yeah, the GT car pedal feel is...

Yeah, I just always preferred the GT car.

Oh, just shout out GT cars, my friends.

They've got the most unbelievable Sandovan Spider RS,

which can't be done.

Yeah, I saw everyone making a fuss out of that, yeah.

You didn't like it, did you?

I didn't mind it, but I thought it was mega.

Is he a nice bloke?

Nicest in the world.

Legend.

Okay.

Probably listens.

And if he doesn't, I'm going to kick him.

I really like his car, mate.

Yeah, good one.

Well, we're going to keep an eye on that.

Next, is next week our last episode of the year?

I think it must be, isn't it?

I mean, it's got to be close,

because the week after, I'm not here.

It is your way.

It's Christmas.

Yeah.

Yes, I think next week is our last episode of the year,

and then we'll be back in the new year,

because everyone's off on their Christmas.

Oli Bobs.

So we'll be back to discuss how Tony now loves the latest Amirah.

Well, next week.

Next week.

Yeah, yeah.

And we count some of our moments of the year,

and maybe answer some final...

Have we had any moments this year?

Of course, a few ground pants moments.

And yeah, answer some final car buying conundrums,

because we've received some interesting emails.

Maybe we're going to be people by cars Christmas,

don't they?

For presents.

Yeah.

I don't like this time of year, mate.

Interesting.

This is inherently...

This is always my worst quarter,

and this month particularly is always quiet.

I don't like December.

Okay.

I'm sorry about that.

But January.

Hello.

Yep.

Bye-bye-bye.

Sell, sell, sell.

Well, we had to grab a word to see what other enthusiast cars

you've bought a hold of.

Oh, got a hold of.

Anyway, follow us on Instagram and social media

and all those things like that.

Subscribe, do whatever you need to do,

and we'll be back with you for our, yes,

final episode of the year next week.

Bye-bye.

See ya.

and weekends.

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