[S8, E4] Porsche Problems, Nurburging Adventures & F1

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Hello and all and welcome to Behind the Glass,

your weekly automotive podcast hosted by two

rather uninformed enthusiasts.

No, no, no, no.

I'm Sam from the YouTube channel SeemToGlass.

I'm Tony from Gravelwood Car Sales.

And you can watch us each week.

We hope you enjoy the episode.

Well, boys and girls, this week you find us

back at Gravelwood Car Sales.

We're not in the car this week.

We're not in the car.

It makes a change.

It does make a change for this season.

We saw your feedback whilst for episode one of this series.

People loved the idea of us being in a car.

By episode three, they were a little bit aggravated by it.

Wow, they ate it.

I should have clarified, we were supposed to be in the studio.

I'm having technical difficulties at the new studio.

What's happening?

The electrical glitch is basically a fuse keeps tripping

and we can't get to the bottom of it.

So I'm waiting for a quite lazy electrician to figure it out.

Fire?

Well, I hope it's not a fire.

That would be very dramatic.

But just every time I plug anything in, the fuse trips.

So we can't exactly record a podcast broke in the dark.

Supposedly, they're trying to get to the bottom of it.

Anyway, we mentioned it in the first episode of the series.

It's going to be a real split.

There's a lot of stuff to come.

We haven't really hit the ground.

We have hit the ground running.

We did a live show.

We did two shows in a car.

Stuff is happening, but don't panic everyone.

Everyone had a little bit of a panic, I think, last week.

Well, I'm unsubscribing.

I was like, relax, wait a minute.

Just wait a minute.

Same.

So because we saw that, we've come to sit down with proper mics

in a proper setting here at the handover bay

of the glorious Gravelwood car sales.

Well, that's the nicest thing you've ever said.

Well, I'm trying to, you know,

up the ante because people were so disappointed last week.

I'm now trying to make this place really special.

Now, if you are not watching on YouTube,

if you're just listening as many of you do,

let's talk about what we're flanked by.

We've got a BMW 240i in purple.

Just come in.

It's nice.

It's got brown interior.

What do I call it?

Brown interior.

What?

No.

Is it called?

They call it?

I'm not sure.

What do BMW call their tan leather?

Yeah, tan leather.

I should know because I had it in the X3M40T.

Yeah, and I should know because I'm selling it.

Yeah, good point.

I don't know.

Behind you is the Mercedes that we drove

in episode one of this season.

Yeah.

Looking like a Mercedes.

And then at the back, your GT3.

I know, yeah.

I don't think the internet's seen that car.

God, since like a year and a half.

Well, tucked away doing nothing, gathering dust.

Yeah.

I mean, it's been broken, mate, for a minute.

Well, okay.

I know you are desperate to talk about this.

I'm not desperate.

I know you are because you literally said,

we're doing a podcast.

I've got a story.

So I'm going to let you rant for a minute

because we actually have a lot to discuss today.

Really?

A lot.

But I want to let you...

I want to let you go on a bit of a rant.

So let this out and we'll then, in a therapeutic way,

decide that we're acknowledging it and moving past it.

What?

You don't want me to just drop it in every week

just because I'm so angry.

Yes.

You just want me to talk about it, deal with it.

Like, no, no, acknowledge it.

It's a therapeutic...

We're in therapy right now.

Well, that's what I was going to say.

You're my therapy.

Yes.

I'm going to go in on some ink.

Yes.

And you're going to go, that's good.

You're not going to stroke my hand or anything.

Well, let's see.

Please, Anthony, voice your concerns.

I'm here to listen.

You're in the same space.

It's actually that saving gravel.

Well, the car's been broken, mate, for quite some time now.

Not bad faults, niggly little faults.

One is the rear quarter glass.

Same happens to your car.

Mine's gone again.

So this is the second time it's gone.

Yeah, they crap because of the driver's window, don't they?

Yes.

So just to explain that a little bit more,

because we did talk about it a couple of years ago.

Yeah.

An issue with the 992 generation 911s,

where the little tiny triangle side window behind the main door glass,

yeah, would splinter, would crack,

because the alignment of the window in the doors would often knock it.

And it just, yeah.

Apparently it's a recoil.

So it went in for that.

Okay.

There's a transmission light on, possible, no reverse.

The car's absolutely fine, but it's a sensor, basically.

Nothing to, you know.

Okay, keep going.

Now, hold on.

And then the main problem, which without really going in on the dealership,

because it's the hardest bit to diagnose,

is there's a noise coming from the front near side.

Very, did we talk about this?

We spoke about it at the live show, the noise from the front axle,

which I experienced at the GT3 RS.

Yes.

Well, we think it's coming from the front axle.

So basically, it doesn't do it on the road.

It's a noise that is very unnerving.

It does it on fast right-hand corners,

on the load, essentially.

So you only get, it only does it on track,

basically doesn't do it on the road.

Okay.

So to be fair to the Porsche dealer,

it's very hard for them to diagnose.

But there is such thing as old-fashioned diagnostic work,

where you take the wheel off and you look at every component around the car

to try and figure out a problem,

as opposed to going on a 10-minute test drive.

And I'd already told them it won't make a noise on the road or a test drive.

So driving it cold on a 10-minute test drive and going,

no, it's not making a noise, it's fine.

I mean, it's not, it's not, it's not, it's not quicking me.

It's wrong.

But that's not what I've got the real hump about.

What I've got the real hump about is that the car went there for five weeks.

I'm not going to mention the Porsche dealer.

The car went there, it was there for five weeks,

and all I was getting for five weeks was fobbed off.

Now, I've been doing this job for 20 years.

I know when someone's fobbing me off.

They're just fobbing me off saying,

we're waiting for Porsche technical.

They've issued a ticket.

We're waiting for Porsche technical.

We're waiting for them to come back to them.

It's complete nonsense.

They would come back in 24, 48 hours, normally,

with a resolution or do this, do this, do this.

Basically, in short, the car has been at a Porsche centre

for five weeks.

They haven't solved or fixed one of them problems.

Not the recall, not the sensor.

The noise admittedly a bit harder,

but they didn't even investigate it.

They just took it on a 10-minute test drive.

So, I'm fuming.

So, I've taken the car back from them,

and I'm either going to fix it myself,

which is really annoying.

I put a complaint into Porsche.

Okay.

Like I should.

I've never had to do that before, by the way.

Never.

So, I am really, like genuinely, I'm really pissed off.

I can tell.

Because it's not a bloody five-gram fiesta.

That's what I said to them.

I said, if I wanted customer service like this,

sorry, Ford, but I would have bought a Ford.

Why are we suddenly attacking Ford?

No, no, no, no.

Tony, Anthony, let's leave Ford out of this.

They weren't invited to this.

Okay.

Not Ford.

Okay.

A slow-rended brand.

There we go.

Take your pick.

Yes.

You know, like if you want to be treated like that.

No.

So, anyway, the car's bloody broken,

and I'm fuming because I want to drive it.

I want to go on track.

I've not had time to go to the Nürburgring this year,

which is really annoying.

You've been.

Yeah, we're going to discuss that.

Check right length.

No, because we're not done here.

We're not done here.

We're not done?

No, we need to draw this out to a conclusion

that you are at peace with.

So, let me ask one first question.

Why are we in pain?

First question.

What is their explanation for not doing anything?

They didn't give me one.

Genuinely, mate.

So, basically, the poor service advisors,

they're understaffed, basically,

and they've just spent five weeks spinning me a yarn.

Okay, translation, please.

So, in terms of...

Spinning me a yarn.

Yeah, I know what that means.

Telling me lies.

Yes, yes, but just sort of...

Because what?

They didn't want to do the work?

They don't know how to do the work?

What do you think?

They're just having a chance to look at it or whatever.

But the car, I booked it in.

I didn't just drop it there,

because obviously, when you...

My job, our workshops that we use,

we just pile the car down and they do it for you.

But I booked it in.

Don't forget, this is nothing to do with my job.

I am a retail customer

from their point of view.

So, I booked the car in.

They're two weeks advanced.

The car was booked in.

It was booked in for diagnosis.

And it's not been touched.

I mean, I am fairly laid back.

I did say, like, I'm not using the car.

There's no rush.

But at least fix the bloody thing or try and fix it.

Like, they haven't even done the recall, mate.

The glass is still smashed.

Can I offer you something

and you can change it, correct it?

Oh, I can't believe what happened.

What happened to you, mate?

Go on.

Tell me.

I am angry because I feel like I'm being

disrespected as the customer of a high-end vehicle.

No.

So, change it.

Change the car.

No, no, no.

Change what I just said.

Right.

It's a therapy exercise.

Oh, change it.

Yeah.

Set it back to me or set in your own words.

Fix the bloody car.

That's it.

Okay.

Just fix the car, mate.

Yes.

And I wouldn't be moaning.

I don't think I did that exercise correctly, but anyway.

I mean, you are well with me.

I mean, to go past the therapy joke.

Yes, I'm so with you because your frustration

is that they've basically done nothing

and they're not really offering to do anything, right?

When you said, what's going on, they were just like,

Yeah, yeah.

The problem is as well with most,

and I'm not digging out Porsche here.

I'm digging out all the, most of the manufacturers now

or the main dealers.

They're not, they're all unit changes nowadays.

There's no real for all the fault finders,

especially as they've gone on and done it themselves.

Yes.

So that's where the car's going to go now.

It's going to have to go to a specialist.

But what really pisses me off?

I've got warranty on the car.

Yeah, it should be.

The paint job, but it all gets sorted.

Correct.

Are you not suffering from the processes

that most modern manufacturers have in place?

So essentially it's computer says no.

It's a little Britain joke, isn't it?

Like they're just going, looking at their list,

ticking the boxes.

This is not working.

And then it goes, no answer.

Send ticket to Porsche AG.

I think I just like, yep, sorry.

Don't know what to do.

Clearly.

But what about investigating the problem?

Do you not think that's cost inefficient for them?

I don't care.

Yeah, no, no.

I agree.

I was just trying to...

Yeah, I know what you're trying to say is,

the fact of the matter is,

I've got 150,000 pound Porsche there.

It's broken.

Probably 130 in today's market.

Probably is.

So when the market says go on it.

Yeah, sorry.

Whatever it is, it's worth more than your one.

Historically, we're Porsche better than this.

Way better, mate.

Way better.

Could it be your dealer specific?

Possibly.

But you're going to take it to an independent...

The problem is, is that one of the problems,

the sensor problem, I know what it is.

Yeah, sensor.

So I'll just fix the sensor.

But what I'm saying is, it should be a warranty item.

It's not a lot of money.

Sure.

140 quid.

And that's not the point.

No, it's definitely not the point.

What have I paid for a warranty card?

No, you're going to fix it.

So what are you going to do?

Are you going to like fall under it?

Like we'll plug in...

Me, but...

Yes.

No, no, no.

I'm not going to do it.

Oh, okay.

What, mate?

No, you're joking.

No, I'll send it to Jay-Z and Porsche.

Oh, okay, fine.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, okay, okay, okay.

They'll do the sensor.

You will pay to take care of it yourself.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's fine.

Of course.

I decided to be like, I saw you in overalls and...

No, mate.

Tools.

Yeah, doors.

Tools.

What are they?

I thought it was going to be your next Instagram reel.

That's what a good idea.

It would be, wouldn't it?

What are you laying on the next car?

You lying underneath the car covered in grease and...

Anyway, that's your only fan's content, I think.

Anyway, moving on.

So...

Do you feel, okay, have you voiced your concerns?

Is there anything else you would like to say

before we draw a line under this topic

until the cars return to you in working order?

There's nothing more I'd like to say now.

Okay, great.

Let's move on.

But if you want to talk about other problems I might have,

I mean, this is more than an episode.

Do you?

That's a little whole season.

No, we did.

You don't.

I hear about them most of the week.

You mentioned it.

Yeah.

I went to the ring.

I know you did.

I know you did, because I called you about four times,

being like, what am I doing?

What time shall I go?

When shall I go?

Who shall I talk to?

Yeah, what, like, where do I turn left?

Where do I turn right?

What time?

I was so nervous.

And what happened?

Well, yeah, just to recap,

I was out in Europe in the Czech Republic.

Where have you been, mate?

Well, I sort of mentioned it.

I was going across into Belgium to attend this thing.

By the way, mate, we need to go to it.

Zut Grand Prix, or Zut Car Week.

Yeah.

It was a freaking vibe.

What cars?

All of them, mate.

I saw a F40, I saw a Chiron Super Sport.

I saw all the Ferraris, all the Lambos.

Right.

So it's a full-on.

This is, I would say, Belgium's Monterey Car Week.

So it's in this, which I don't know,

tax haven of a town called Nokia Heast,

Nokia Heist, or whatever.

It's on the seaside in Belgium.

You know when you arrive someone,

you know it's a wealthy town

because all the shops are, like, really high-end.

Wait a minute.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Where's the seaside in Belgium, Denmark side?

No, like, on the west, like...

On the Netherlands side.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, obviously.

Because it's surrounded by land in Belgium.

Except...

Except that little bit.

Yeah.

Was it raining?

No, it was sort of cloudy-ish.

That's where the weather...

That's where the Belgium's fume,

because that's where the weather comes from.

Everyone was saying that that particular town

is absolutely stunning in the sunshine.

Yeah, and because it's this tax haven,

no personal tax, I believe,

it is full of billionaires

and millionaires from that region.

So the houses are outrageous, yeah.

It's like a little tiny moniker in Belgium.

No, it's really cool.

But they do this thing called the Zoo Grand Prix,

or Zoo Car Week,

which takes over the town for, like, three or four days.

There's a Concorde de Elegance,

there's a Motor Show, there are rallies,

there's auctions,

there's cars driving up and down the streets,

like proper, as you would imagine, car week extravaganza.

Real buzz.

Really, really cool.

I want to go back next.

I want to go back for, like, two or three days

and do it properly, take part in all the events.

We went for the auction.

You didn't buy anything, mate?

I didn't buy anything, mate.

I didn't actually...

Well, to be fair, I went for the auction preview.

Oh.

Didn't actually stick around for that.

Didn't...

Well, we spoke about it a little bit on the pod.

Did anything make any anywhere near the money that we said?

I didn't check all the results.

The Daniel Ricciardo's Valkyrie sold for 2.2.

Underlist.

Under the estimate, and about a million euros underlist.

We've got a bar for me.

Well, that's not great for, you know,

Valkyries in general.

That's a bit...

No, no.

I mean, Daniel Ricciardo's Valkyrie isn't selling at a premium.

But he owns you one's the same.

Selling well underlist.

Underlist, yeah.

Yeah.

Just too much of a headache to maintain and run and look after me.

Yeah, I'd love to drive both of them.

Oh, I'd love to drive both.

Yeah, experience, either of them.

So cool.

But yeah, clearly as an ownership proposition,

people aren't going mad about it.

I'd like to go round in one of them Mercs or the Valkyrie

with an F1 driver.

That's what I'd like to do.

Well, did you ever see Nico Rosberg doing his sort of collection video?

Or it's actually an unbelievable video.

I think it's his collection video or something with the project one,

with Merc or with AMG at their like facility.

I didn't see it now.

Oh, was he going flat out?

The person sitting next to him genuinely looks like they die.

There are moments where you can see like they're talking him through,

like, okay, and then you turn this.

And he clearly looks a bit bored to begin with.

He's just like, just get me to like, how do I turn it up to 11?

And then he just sends it at some point.

And we go like, oh, it's actually, do you remember?

Because Nico has done some amazing stuff on YouTube.

Actually, his F40 drive in Monaco is awesome.

What did he drive with Archie?

Was that a 918?

Oh, mate, Archie told me that story.

Flat, flat.

He went out, Archie said he went out the pit.

And he went out, Archie said,

I've never been around since I was in the Fast and Furlough.

Yeah, so was my vessel experience.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, Archie exaggerates.

But he said, mate, I said, honestly, like,

I've never been in anyone in the car.

It's incredible.

Incredible.

And so that you should go and watch, I'll send you a link afterwards,

Nico Rosberg's project one.

Because it's like this weird, awkward like facility test track.

It's not, and he's just desperate to go flat.

And we're over this poor man sitting next to him.

Well, I think it's like head of the program.

It's just like, what have I signed up to?

This guy's a lunatic.

Oh, I loved it.

But yeah, you're right.

It would be cool to experience either of those cars

with a proper driver.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll push you on a little bit.

Anyway, so I got distracted.

So yeah, I did that on the Friday.

Then I had to go across to Luxembourg

because I was attending a Swisscrup Bank Europe event.

They do this.

They have this VIP program now,

which I definitely don't qualify for.

He was there, though.

Yeah, we're in the mix, mate.

I think you have to have like a million euros invested with Swisscrup.

Anyway, something like that.

But they said, look, would you like to come along?

I was like, absolutely.

Yes, please.

So as far as I've wanted, the room was concerned.

I do have a million euros invested with me.

Oh, but it's really cool.

And they held this awesome Ferrari dealership in Luxembourg.

There was lots of test drives.

They had a Daytona SP3 there.

They had an F40.

And then I thought, well, look, I'm here in Luxembourg.

Maybe tomorrow morning, I should just hop over to the ring.

On the way home.

On the way home?

Well, it's not on the way home.

It's that I don't have to be driving.

You can't go that way, yeah?

No, I can't, man.

I'm in Luxembourg.

I had to drive two hours east and then go by myself.

Oh, wait a minute.

Oh, yeah, of course.

I get confused, man.

I know, you don't know what you left or right is confusing to you.

Yeah.

Let alone geography.

So it wasn't on the way home, but I was very close.

I was an hour and a half from the ring.

Yeah.

And I thought probably one of the last weekends

that we're going to be able to drive on the ring this year.

When does it usually close?

November.

So around the corner and the weather was dry-ish.

And I was there in the CS and I thought, come on, why not?

So I called you and I said, look, if I go, what am I,

where's the least dangerous time to go?

The tracks can open at eight.

What should I do?

Shall I let, like, does everyone go mental for the first half an hour?

Like, what shall I do?

And you just said, go early.

Go, go.

I mean, you've got to watch the, you've got to watch the surface.

But yeah, go, when I go normally, I would, I would get, get in and get,

especially if I know it's going to be busy.

It gets busy like half nine, 10 o'clock.

That's when it really starts to get busy.

And if you're doing what they call TF laps, the, you, you, you then,

if you want to get a bit of a move on, you then can't, there's too many cars.

Yeah.

So I got there at 7.30.

Get up there, get out.

The sun was still rising.

And then literally, I think I was on track for my first lap,

8.05, 8.10, something like that, perhaps.

And it was, for me, empty enough.

Yeah, yeah.

I think probably, so I did two laps too.

Good.

I did two.

I, I think I probably saw like five or six other cars on track on both laps.

Yeah.

But by the time I was leaving, it was starting to get pretty hectic.

I just find that place so intimidating.

Probably took you an hour to do a lap, didn't it?

But when it wasn't quick, I looked back at the GoPro and it's just like, oh,

how the hell do they go around in seven minutes?

Of course it was 17 minutes, 20.

I thought I was going fast.

I'm actually going to find out my time, because F you, I think it was...

No, you'd have been all right, mate.

I'm mobbing you up.

I overtook a couple of cars, but the Suzuki slipped.

They were breaking down.

Generally a Suzuki.

I don't think I overtook you.

But no, I, yeah, I just, I get intimidated for so many reasons, right?

Firstly, let's just not forget, it's the green hell.

Like it's, how long is it?

20 kilometers.

Yeah.

I mean, about 30 miles, 40 miles.

Not non-stop, but tight and twisting and really fast sections and basically no runoff.

There's like a handful of corners that have some element of runoff, but

essentially it's all big crashes.

Yeah, because you're going so fast and normally like, even if there is runoff,

it's a bit of grass, which if the grass is damp, you're going to speed up.

Like, so you're going to hit the grass and go faster, then go into the barrier.

Yeah, which is a disaster.

So you've got that firstly, then remembering where it all goes.

I mean, I must have driven around there quite a lot on a computer game, but probably

I must have done like 15 laps, 10, 15 laps in my life.

I just don't remember it.

No, it's fine.

There's plenty of times when I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So that's horrible because it's a lot of like blind crest.

Well, I'm like, I don't know what, I don't know what's going to happen over the corner

or over the breast.

But you know the frightening thing of that is like it, that is blind crest,

but when you get to know it, like then blind crest, they are flat.

But that's terrifying.

It's terrifying.

Yeah.

And I've been around with Misha a few times, he's like flat and I'm like, no.

And then obviously it's all the other people.

So you mentioned TF laps, which if I was German, I taught us in French anyway.

Essentially the turn up by 30 or 35 euro pass and you can go around in any car.

No helmet, just a driving license, no insurance, nothing.

Off you go.

And that means you have this insane variety of skill and vehicles as in like you all have

a GT3 RS flat out coming through past somebody in their Opel astralike rental car.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And vans even.

Yeah, vans.

Historically it's meant that I'm looking in the mirrors more than I'm looking forward.

And also you can come across accidents, people put oil down,

like people change the line, not looking in their mirrors.

There's just, yeah, I hate it basically.

But when I survive it, I'm like, oh my God, the adrenaline is insane.

Yeah, yeah.

And that's what you said.

Your favorite thing about it is how terrifying it is.

Yeah, it's what I like it.

Yeah, literally what I like it.

And then add to that the thought that I'm going to go around there in a 20 year old Ferrari,

which is essentially not moved for the last four or five months.

It's been, you know, having all the snags addressed by Hilton and Mars.

It went service to number two.

So I know what I'll do.

I'll just go flat out around the room.

But you've been, but you've had a nice little run around in now, haven't you?

Yes, I'd warmed it up.

Yeah.

By the time I got to the ring, I'd probably done 400 miles.

Yeah, fair enough.

So, yeah, I was going to eat it in, but yeah.

So lap one, I would say I took quite easily.

Bit of a sighting lap.

Yeah, sighting lap.

Which is what you should be doing.

Yeah, I was very like...

Exactly what you should be doing.

Quite far away from the red line.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Taking my...

Then I got back and I was like...

I'm going again.

I was like, I'm sick.

Yeah.

I was like, right.

So I changed all the cameras, did all my little intros.

I was like, right.

Oh, another lap, please.

I'm more...

Exactly.

They all speak English there, mate.

You haven't got anything like that.

And then as I went back out, I was noticing it was busy.

I was like, I was in a traffic jam to get on.

I thought, oh, this is not great.

And then as I went to do the ticket barrier,

because I said, ah, I know you're from Seattle.

You're two of us.

I thought, oh, no, the pressure now.

People are going to be watching.

Please don't come back on a lorry.

But obviously you get that cockiness, don't you?

Because I've done it.

So I was like, I went back out and I've looked at the footage.

I like really launch it once you get through the cones at the start.

I was like, what was I thinking?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Everyone does that.

Because I'm going to grab the barrier.

I know what I'm doing.

I can imagine.

Guys, it literally do.

Is it the left hand?

Well, you do need to sort of slightly...

No, before you even get to that,

I just par that and go left or right into the barrier.

I've seen it.

Well, anyway, second lap was way more exhilarating.

I enjoyed myself.

I definitely enjoyed myself.

There were a few moments of fast lads coming through GT3s, M2s,

or the BMW crew.

And I sort of let them go.

I had a couple of moments that you would have literally laughed your head off.

Firstly, overtaking.

What was it?

I think it was like a Hyundai or something like that.

Nice.

And I'm literally looking at it and I go,

Oh, that's a flat right hander.

And he was kind of on the inside.

I think he was letting me pass.

I was like, cool.

I just like send it around the outside.

Was not flat.

I got to the turn in point and I had the Hyundai on my inside

and I saw the closing radius of the corner.

I thought, Oh, I'm going into the wall because like 360s understeer at the best of times,

challenge starts going fast.

And then we're like, my tires were caught.

There's a lot of movement in that car.

And I thought death, but somehow we made it through there.

Your tires would have warmed up definitely on the second lap.

Yeah.

Halfway round or something.

They take a while.

And then the other terrifying was that I let,

maybe it was the GT3.

Anyway, I let somebody through and there was a sort of light green astroturf on the right.

So as I was kind of letting them through, I looked down.

I sort of was like, I was on the astro, but then my right hand wheels,

tires were on the grass, on the astro.

There's only two points on the track where there's actual astroturf.

Okay, fine.

It was fast and squirmy.

So those two moments, I really scared myself.

But otherwise, mate, what an experience, what an experience.

And if you survive it, and I said it on camera,

if you are like me inherently nervous, do you remember when we did the tour?

Yes.

We did the tour and most of the group were terrified.

Terrified.

But we told them all to go and do it.

And yes, if you are just really sensible and really just take your time,

enjoy your car, don't like put it around on cruise control.

And you say, it is, it is an unbelievable roller coaster.

Yeah, it's an unbelievable experience.

And when we done the tour and we said everyone to go there,

the fact that, because it was pouring down a rain, remember?

And the fact that it was pouring down a rain.

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Sort of made it better because everyone slowed down for that reason.

Hacked to really take it easy.

Hacked to really take it easy because it's deaf in the bloody thing.

But you know, when you just said you come out the pits and everyone goes flat.

In the GT3, it's flat in the compression.

You come out the flit.

You're literally flat from there in the compression.

You have a little lift for that little kink.

And then you've got the brakes.

But the problem is, is your tyres are cold.

Yes, of course.

So you see people literally go straight on there and into the barrier.

Yes, amazing.

But the GT3, it's completely flat, mate.

Yeah.

It's mad.

It can be unbelievable.

Like, you can't, but once you've done it a couple of times,

you go, oh, that's the easy bit, yeah.

I'm describing my phone because,

so I had this amazing experience and everyone,

I had a lot of people come up to talk to me about the car and get excited because you see,

see a lot of Porsches there, see a lot of BMWs.

Loads.

And there's the experienced cars, Hyundai's and Volkswagen's.

But there's not a ton of Ferrari's knocking around,

at least there weren't on the other ones there.

And of course, not an old Ferrari, like a CS.

No.

And I felt like I was doing my part to kind of, you know, fly the Nella flag.

But at the exact same time, a lot of other people were having panic attacks about Ferrari.

Did you see that their share price, which affects me because I am an investor,

thanks to SquareSquare Bank Europe, absolutely pooed itself recently.

Blamed it on the F1 team, didn't they?

No.

No, not Ferrari or the media blamed it on the F1 team or something,

but it was never due to the F1 team.

No, it was because they've basically updated their strategy for EVs moving forward,

which I think is unbelievable.

So let me just do this because, I mean, they add to the list of manufacturers that are backtracking

on their plans.

So here we go.

This is from Evo.

Ferrari's future, fewer EVs, more powerful V12s.

It's very fast electric car, might be just around the corner,

but Ferrari has promised further development of its combustion line up as part of its five-year plan.

And I wanted to find the breakdown, which was here.

Until now, Ferrari planned to make 40% of its cars electric by 2030.

And then I think it was going to say, and they're now half that to 20%.

The pure ICE models, which were going to be 20% and now up to 40%.

And then you've got in the middle hybrids.

So, as I say, another manufacturer like Porsche, like all these ones that are backtracking and

changing, great for us as enthusiasts and purists.

A bit of a head scratch because over the weekend, I made a video about the Roma and the fact that

when we went to the Amalfi launch, Ferrari were very proud of saying,

like, you know, we're staying true to the V8.

We're keeping this going.

I think we've, you're seeing with dodgy chill injury.

That's the naturally aspirated V12.

There's been no real talk about that being hybridized for the next replacement of that car.

So it's clear that those two lines are going to maintain.

Well, I guess you're going to have a V6 hybrid in there somewhere,

which will be a thing.

And then, and then an electric.

And that's, I guess, Ferrari are going to stick to.

I guess.

I mean, I'm actually surprised that the, maybe they've done it because it'd be too fast.

But I'm actually surprised that they didn't put the 296 tech in that Amalfi,

you know, but a lot of capacity, like a V6 hybrid car with,

but maybe it would come out too fast.

I don't know.

Well, whether it comes up too fast or they've just noted in terms of

desirability from customers and let's face it, problems.

Like let's just not beat around the bush about how many issues Ferrari,

Lamborghini, these high performance manufacturers are having with hybrid systems.

These insanely small performance focused hybrid systems do not seem to be working all that well.

No.

Well, my friend and come on the tour with us, he was bringing his 296 GTS,

but it pood itself and Ferrari had to buy it back off him.

And he had to buy that 812.

Yeah. SF90s families have issues where they keep hearing about Revivalto's struggling.

And, you know, hybrid technology likes to play up every now and again and more traditional models.

A couple of who's telling me about a story about Range Rover.

Yeah, there's loads of, you know.

Hybrids is not always that straightforward, but I think especially these really small

batteries that are just focused on talk, feel and performance and things like that.

Just seem to be a bit finicky.

So maybe in and around that frauds when not only is there a slight lack of desirability,

I mean, how many people have said, why can't we have a 296 without the hybrid systems?

For the speciality.

Why can't they, because we've seen that on the race cars, they get rid of the hybrid systems.

And that V6 is a great engine.

Yeah.

But maybe there's no to that.

And that's why they thought, well, we've got a stick.

We're going to have that base level entry V8, it's going to survive in the Amalfi.

Then we're going to have our headline V12.

That's going nowhere.

That's our DNA.

That's the product we know we'll always sell.

That's basically V12.

Then we'll have in the middle of this hybridized V6.

And then obviously the hybridized V8 in the 849, Tester Russell.

Is that what they're calling it?

Is that what they're calling it now?

849?

Yeah, I guess it's too many models.

Not just Ferrari, but I think all these manufacturers are struggling in general,

even going back to my story with Porsche earlier.

I just think that they're all tightening the belt.

They're all flapping.

Well, and let's not forget, 2030 is not far away now.

That's five years away.

And at best, car development, three years at best.

And if you're someone like a Ferrari that's trying to look forward for future supercar

performance, you're probably already working on what those 2030 cars are.

So that's why they're having to make these changes, because they're looking at going like,

heck, we're already building the cars.

They're going to be coming out in 20 billion produced.

And no way do we want to be going down this route.

There was a podcast three or four years ago.

Look out, here we go.

I wonder, I can't remember which one it was.

Tell me, what was discussed?

About the, you know, the manufacturers will never ever meet.

They won't meet that deadline.

It's probably, I can't remember, yeah.

Yeah.

Anyway, moving on.

Try and research it.

Anyway, back to EVs in general.

Did you see this Mercedes thing that launched?

Yeah.

Well, I saw.

So, away from some manufacturers.

I saw Schmi dribbling all over it.

He done a.

That thing.

Oh no.

You didn't see that?

What was the one that, was that the one that's been around the world?

No, what are you doing?

Well, Schmi put something on his Instagram about some merc

that's bloody done continuous driving or something.

It must have been charged, but.

Let me see.

Yeah.

On his Instagram today?

Or just in general?

No, no, no, no.

Just, I just saw it pop up.

My only is a real.

Oh, the one that George Russell set the record thing in.

Oh, not that one.

So basically this morning, Mercedes launched what they're calling their vision icon.

Look like a Jag.

Thank you very much.

Which I have posted because it is essentially.

You posted it?

Yeah.

Because it is literally a Mercedes version of a Jag type 00 that everyone slagged off saying,

this is hit is this is awful.

What a disaster.

Turns out Jag, you're just ahead of the head of the time.

But I saw that.

This just goes to show how much I look.

I saw that this morning on your.

Where did you post it on your stories?

Instagram stories.

Yeah.

I thought it's Sankal.

Yeah, but there you go.

So I'm, I'm sort of waiting with bad breath to see.

People's reaction to the Mercedes.

And I'm just going to say calling out anyone that says it's good looking and just literally going.

Well, what do you think about the Jaguar?

Not to be defensive over.

Well, if it had been black.

Well, I mean, that's the problem.

Color is everything, mate.

But I mean, a bit weird and a bit strange that that seems to be.

So I'm now playing my own reel that seems to be the direction that we're going.

And I know it's again a vision concept, but that's exactly what the Jag was to.

So maybe that's what we're going to start seeing more and more from these luxury

manufacturers, these big EV hunking great.

I don't even know what to explain it as, but something very bizarre and weird.

So I thought I'd point out that Jaguar are not alone in there.

They're ahead of everyone.

Well, well, maybe.

According to that photo.

Yeah, the question we can ask.

So anyway, moving on.

Very successful trip for me, mate.

And so let's put it in the marker for next.

I think we should go and I think we should do some bits around there.

I would like to steal.

Do you have you come across this podcast Waymo?

Oh man, they're cool.

They set up Jaguar that drives the car in America.

Yeah, same name.

They set up deck chairs at like car shows and just talk about cars.

They drive out and things like that.

Or they just sit by the side of the road and just like ramble on my car.

Why don't we do that one day, mate?

Just in the summer, just go and sit the side of the road and do a podcast.

So steal their format entirely.

God, fuck me a minute.

I think instead we should actually collaborate with them.

Oh, well, it's a bit.

Yeah, yeah.

I can't, we can't steal their format.

Yes, we can.

Everyone stole ours over the years.

You know what we haven't talked about for a while,

which we could probably weigh in on now?

Good old Formula One.

Oh, yeah.

It's been a while, because obviously we've been off air.

Yeah, we haven't.

And we haven't spoken about a few things.

Firstly, the fact that McLaren have just won another

constructed championship.

Oh, yeah.

We did touch on that briefly, didn't we?

That what did you say?

Win on Sunday.

Bye on Monday.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And we were asking about what's going on with McLaren.

They sold any cars?

Don't you actually helped?

But we now theoretically have this gloves off running to the end

with the Drivers Championship,

which I want to ask you about in a second.

We never spoke about Max Verstappen's Nürburgring adventure.

Now, me and Max spend so much time in the ring, you know.

Because of that, I was just there.

I told him all he knows.

So, okay.

Firstly, the bigger topic for Formula One fans.

How do you read the run into the end of the year?

Is it Piastries to lose still?

Do we think Norris can do it?

Is there any chance that Max is going to come out of nowhere

and become an actual contender?

Where's your head at?

I would be amazed if Max got the championship from here

because he needs both of them to slip up.

He's still 60 points away from Oscar and 50 odd away from...

It's two DNS for both.

It's not a thing that is, but five or six races left.

So, I'd be amazed if that.

And even when you look back at previous championships

with a few races to go,

quite often there is that 50 or 60 point gap and the number one.

It could be a big swing.

Yeah, there could be a big swing,

but he's not second in the championship, he's third.

So, it's almost like a free horse racing football.

You don't need one team to trip up.

You need both.

It's not really...

I don't...

And I think he's playing it like that.

When you listen to his interviews,

he's doing the right thing because he's competing every week

and he's giving it to him.

And I'm not having the cars not fast now because it is.

The red bull is faster.

They've sorted it out since after the break.

They've sorted it out and it's quick now.

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I really like George Russell now.

Cut.

No, mate. Honestly, not even personally.

I'm just saying, like, he is now really starting to show

what a good driver he is.

Because, mate, he's consistently there in that.

And that car isn't as fast as the other two cars, by the way.

What's happened to Ferrari?

They've gone. I don't know where they are.

They are the fourth or fifth fastest car they've gone now.

But going back to your original question,

you can pick up on my Russell statement in a minute if you'd like.

Go because I know it winds you up.

I'm genuinely like, I think he's punching above his weight at the moment.

I always said at the start of the season

that I think Piastri would win the championship.

That's not any of going bad on Lando.

I just think that all round, Piastri is a better driver than Lando.

And I know you talk to Lando, so be careful what happens.

No, no, no. But I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

And I would be happy if Lando wins and be happy to be wrong.

Yeah, so, oh, God.

Because I think Piastri is a better driver than Lando.

I just do.

Well, okay. So firstly, where do we begin?

I with you, I don't see Max coming through.

Do you remember last year when Lando,

towards the end, they started to get some good results and everyone was like,

you're going to get the championship.

And Lando was like, guys, like calm down.

I think Max, it's just doing the same thing.

It's media hype.

Media hype.

Like let's bring in a new angle to get everyone excited.

Because like Max is outscoring them.

It could happen.

But yeah, I think we all know that we're looking at Oscar versus Lando for the run.

And the season has kind of suggested to us that Oscar,

yes, is the one with the, well firstly, he's in the lead,

but the championship to lose.

He has been inherently not more consistent,

but he has looked like the stronger driver over the course of the season,

where Lando has had a little few more ups and downs,

mainly in qualifying, if we're honest.

He's also had some spectacular races.

Unbelievable.

And there's a few things at play, I think,

like you always get which all those drivers, Vettel, Hamilton Alonso,

anyone would talk about was that final charge for the championship,

that pressure.

If you haven't been there before within Formula One,

all these things like that.

But Oscar comes across like such a robot.

But he has been there before.

I'm like, oh yes, in previous seasons, of course,

and during previous championships.

But I think it's different in Formula One.

I do think it's different in Formula One.

If you spent your entire life focusing on something,

I think the attention, I think the questioning,

I think the media speculation,

I think all of these things is more intense in Formula One.

So I think even if you are a absolutely, what's called a,

you are a winner through a hole,

I think it's a very different mindset and pressure.

But he comes across like such a stone called killer.

I sort of doubt that that pressure is affecting him.

I think Lando is fascinating.

Like, yes, I want Lando to win.

I'm a backlander.

I've been a Lando fan for ages.

Fair enough.

And I think he's great.

I think he's fun.

I think it brings a different aspect to the sport and all these things.

I think it would be a good story for Formula One.

If he won.

I do think he, because I like drivers that have some element of personality.

I know some people, he rubs some people up the wrong way,

but I like that he expresses things and says things.

Oscar is so, as I say, like so blunt.

That's why I struggled pre Oscars this year or even last year.

I was such a fan of the idea of him.

But in reality, I'm a bit like, I don't love his.

Because he doesn't give you much.

Yeah. There's no flamboyant on or off track.

Yeah.

So I'm sort of hopefully gets a bit closer than it has been.

I would love it if it goes down to the last race.

We still haven't really seen them wheel to wheel.

Let's face it.

That was Canada.

Yeah.

That was kind of it.

So we still not really had a chance to see them wheel to wheel.

So I think lots to come.

But yes, inherently my head says Oscar's probably got the upper hand.

My heart is like, please let Lando come to the forefront.

Either way, like good for Formula One, new champion, both young guys,

great for McLaren to be like that turn around like Zach Brown,

what a genius, and everyone else in the world.

But then obviously we're about to go into this whole new era next year,

which has all these question marks over again.

So it's like, I don't know if McLaren will still be there.

So we could see this thing of like Oscar or Lando win championship.

And then that's their moment gone.

Which for Oscar, I sort of doubt because it feels like he's at the start of something.

I think Lando is as well, mate.

I know what I said and I have my opinion that I just all round, I just think,

and I think it's from, like from a, they're very similar.

And even when you look at their lap times and you look at their,

I think also just makes less mistakes and over a course of a season,

that's what's wins you a championship.

Yes. And considering his point in his career, it's impressive.

Because, you know, land has been around longer and shouldn't be.

But anyway, let's see lots of excitement to wait and see on, on that.

The George Russell thing.

And this is a purely on a sporting level, right?

I met the guy once, he was lovely and perfectly nice.

So, and it's often the way like, I booed in his and spat at make a hack.

And then when he was racing with Schumacher,

I then had the nicest ever with them at Silverman.

I liked the hack.

Yeah, I booed in his and spat at Nico Ross.

I ended up become quite friendly with them at one stage in the film,

like three or four YouTube.

So like, this is sporting, right?

Yeah, yeah.

As a sports person to cheer and boo, I struggled to like Russell.

He has been unbelievable this year.

The consistency is in say, he's, he is the fourth driver.

If it's not Lando or Oscar or max, he is always there as number four.

And therefore when the opportunity presents itself, there he is.

Yeah.

And that is, and he can't do any more than that, mate.

No, no, no, no.

He is, he is, as you say, over-delivering.

Yeah.

Unbelievable.

And that has to be.

But he has never not been a sensational talent.

No.

Like he has never not been a sensational talent.

No.

Williams, it was very obvious.

He came into Mercedes when, okay, fine.

Lewis maybe was mentally past some of his best.

But still came in, beat seven time world champion.

So that's undeniable.

But yes, I just struggle to support him as a sporting figure.

I just, he aggravates me as a sporting figure.

I always had the mindset that he wouldn't be championship material, Russell.

I didn't think that.

Even though he's been a champion in different formats.

Yeah, yeah, I didn't think, I mean, it's my stupid pumble opinion.

What do I know?

But I changed my opinion.

I think if you give him the car, I think he would quite easily be a world champion.

Well, that's why I think it's exciting going to next year,

because we have the rumors that Mercedes has got this unbelievable engine.

Ferrari, it feels like, whether they have omitted it or not,

checked out of this season pretty damn early.

Let's hope that's because they've been focusing on next year knowing Ferrari.

It's not the case.

We just need the pasta for that.

What is that?

We just need a sleep.

Yeah, yeah, we'll come back.

I do.

I'm going to say this now.

I know everyone's going to get triggered.

I think since the summer break, Lewis has been much better.

I think he's been right there with Leclerc.

He's been very unlucky.

He's been, he's been as fast as him, mate.

Yeah, most of the time.

He was faster than them.

Yeah, he's just been very unlucky with results and things going on.

But I think he's, he's figured that out somehow.

So I think that's encouraging for next year.

But then, you know, we've got everything else going on.

We've got the first Adrian Newey car coming through.

Red Bull God knows what that all looks like.

So there's so many question marks.

I'm kind of like at that weird point of the year,

I'm like, I just want to get into next year now.

You know what I always look at with Leclerc as well,

and I think he's an unbelievable driver,

is how much longer can he stay at Ferrari?

How much longer can he endure a lack of success?

He's been there six years now.

And he's clearly like a proper talent.

He could win a, with a car, win a championship.

Probably should have already had one.

Like you think how many, if that 2026 car is not good,

they're not just going to be looking for one driver,

looking for two, because they're both big on.

And I think that will have to be his,

that will have to be it for him.

Like I know he said, oh, I'll die with the red blood in my veins,

and he sees himself as a Ferrari.

But even Michael Schumacher came back to everyone with Mercedes.

Yeah.

Don't be like, like, and I think if 26 is Fours Fowl,

he has to, because soon he's going to be over it.

Soon he's going to be past it.

And if he doesn't make that switch

into a championship contending car,

and it waits another two or three years,

he will be on the out.

He'll be on the decline.

So he needs to be a bit careful then.

Yeah, I've been a Leclerc fan.

I always thought he was my guy once Lewis left.

I was like, that's how I'm going to be backing.

But he's just in this kind of stagnant place of just like,

you know, being attached to Ferrari's like misery.

But let's wait and see.

Okay, so your money's on Oscar.

Yeah, I thought it wasn't the start of the season.

Just to make it interesting,

I will continue to back Lando with the realization

that I might be able to lose some money.

But we're actually going to put money on it.

Anyway, let's wait and see.

So yeah, quick reminder, next week's episode,

maybe with you a day or two late.

So stay tuned for that.

That's on YouTube and audio only,

but it will be hopefully worth the wait.

And then we'll be back with you for one of these

agony aunt style episodes.

Maybe the new student, well,

let's see if this electrician figures things out.

So just a shout out again,

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Ford

Ferrari F40

Bugatti Chiron Super Sport

Lamborghini

Aston Martin Valkyrie

Mercedes-AMG Project One

Porsche 918 Spyder

Ferrari Daytona SP3

BMW M3 CS

Suzuki

Opel

BMW M2

understeer

Subaru 360S

tires

cold tyres

Volkswagen

Hyundai

EVs

V12

ICE models

hybrids

V8

electric vehicle

Land Rover Range Rover

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