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I only knew you up until about five minutes ago as just Scott's rides.

I thought that was your God-given name.

I thought it was.

Hey, pretty cool, Lassie.

Yeah.

The Mustang build and now the Chevelle build, like, I did all that research on the Camaro

and then I was like, Roadster Shops where it's at.

That's what I want to do.

So, like, I haven't really done that research on the next two cars.

I'm just like, Roadster Shops it.

That's what I'm getting.

But, you know, I did do a substantial amount of research and looking at different options

and, you know, just putting on, you know, different front rear suspension, all those

different kits versus doing the full chassis.

And ultimately, I felt like, it's like, Roadster Shops is the best.

There is.

I want to build the best.

I want to try to build the best.

And also, when that thing showed up, I'm like, there's no way this body's going

to fit on this chassis.

Every alignment point was perfect.

I'm like, I can't believe it.

I finished the Camaro.

You're driving it.

You know, you're having fun.

How quickly are you thinking about the next project?

Are you thinking about it while you're finishing the Camaro?

Pretty much.

Really?

Yeah, like, I don't really.

I really do love the build process.

I do love the build process.

Most people do.

What made you want to become a pilot?

My dad was also a pilot.

Really?

And so I just kind of grew up around it.

And what's your favorite plane to fly?

The Airbus is a really nice flying airplane.

I mean, I've flown the 71727375767 MD88 MD90 and the Airbus series while I've been

at Delta.

So I've had a pretty good.

I've always been a fan of Matt Damon and he ended up on my flight a while

back.

Really?

That's cool.

We were flying about to Albuquerque when they were filming that Albuquerque,

you know, that Oppenheimer movie from and I was like, I'm shocked he's flying airline

in the first place.

I'm so surprised he's flying commercial.

I was too.

I'm shocked with Stallone in his in his peak physique of Rocky for Burt Reynolds is

going out on a fucking stretcher, dude, on a stretcher.

No, man.

He's going to go out Apollo Creed level and yeah, Burt had four inches on him

and played football.

He got a scholarship to play football.

Reach advantage on Ivan Drago.

What happened there?

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This week we have in-person, in-studio, the one and the only.

I only knew you up until about five minutes ago as just Scott's rides.

I thought that was your God-given name.

I thought that were.

It was pretty cool last week.

But it's not.

It's Scott Spencer.

Double firstie.

Spencer's a first name.

Yeah.

Spencer's a first name.

That's a double first.

Everybody's going to know you, I mean hundreds of thousands of people are going to know you

from Scott's rides.

The world famous DIY you built, you're on your fifth build now, right?

Yeah.

Fifth build.

Fourth build.

Before we get into the, what I think is going to be a very fun interview, I've got so many

questions.

I'm excited about this one.

You are the first home builder.

I mean, I don't really call you a home builder because you're sort of more professional

than a lot of professionals I've seen.

You're the first home builder, the guy that does this at home by himself.

That's going to be a cool one.

We've got a lot to unpack here.

I've got a lot of questions.

Yeah.

All that's cool.

Car is cool.

But I want to talk about the pilot stuff, right?

Honestly.

Oh yeah.

We've got so many questions.

Let's carve out the first hour.

I was a little concerned about the health of the podcast, how we've gone from

Dave Kendig and some of your other guests in this show to some guy from his basement

in Alabama.

So I'm hoping everything's okay.

I'm really pleased to be here.

From Alabama.

It definitely helped you.

So you've got an in there.

Oh yeah.

This is our last podcast.

If you've met Dave Kendig in person, you know it's not that big of a deal.

So we're going to go through this.

I got some really cool fan email and then we're going to talk about this gifts, the

great gifts that Scott brought.

So first and foremost, we're going to start with the envelope and we'll bring

that up right there just so everybody can see.

If that'll zoom in right there.

Yeah.

FGSA.

Which is right there in Boine City, Michigan.

That's actually a tell of who might have sent this.

I didn't know who sent it until I just read that.

Now I know who sent it.

Boine City, Michigan.

Yup.

That UP.

No.

Where's Boine City?

Boine City, I think is where.

Classic location.

Isn't it?

It's a very classic location.

But he's UP.

No, Traverse City.

Okay.

Isn't that right around Boine City?

It's on this side.

So this is from the one and the only Colt Severs, the president of the Fall Guy Stuntman Association.

Dear Josh, it has come to our attention here at the Stuntman Association that you have

been bad mouthing long box trucks.

Another tell that that's who that is.

We have a long career of creating the coolest products in the industry and we risk life

and limb to prove what works and what is cool.

Folks like you sit in front of a microphone and preach without ever rolling, jumping, flipping

or doing anything remotely cool with a truck.

Then try to tell us what is cool and what is not.

Have you ever tried to jump a short box truck?

We did not think so.

He's half right about that.

I've tried to jump it.

Just didn't jump all the way.

So we would appreciate if you leave being cool to us Stuntmen and women and we will

leave you alone as too much chatter can lead to strange and unusual accidents

that may be a bit uncomfortable for you.

That's a threat.

Right here.

It's a threat.

Honestly, it's only because the Roadstrap builds such cool cars that we have not

paid you a personal visit.

And it also came with a really cool autograph by Colt Severs Fall Guy Truck.

Any truth to this?

No.

What do you mean?

Truth to this is the Colt Severs of the Fall.

I thought this was maybe like the real Fall Guy, you know, behind the scenes.

That's a fan.

We got some pretty interesting fans.

We don't know that it's not where it came from.

We don't know that it's not.

However, it's been long documented of our speak and talk about the negative

talk about the long-bed trucks, long-wheelbase.

We actually got into quite the discussion the week of SEMA at what I thought was going

to be a fun and inviting party and turned into a full-blown attack on us

about the long-bed trucks.

I wasn't present for that.

Yeah, you were there.

Physically.

Physically, you were there.

Yes, you were there.

I held strong, though, and I stood by all my statements.

I want Colt Severs to stand by his statement and come visit you in person

and do harm.

I think that would be amazing.

Colt Severs now?

Yeah, show up.

I'm not going to beat an old man.

I got nothing to do with it.

Now, Colt Severs back in 87?

No, I don't think so.

But nonetheless, the Fall Guy Truck does put a significant hole in my

argument about the long-bed trucks because that was a pretty cool truck.

Now, it would have been cooler if it was a short-bed.

It's doubled down.

So thank you to who, I think, it says Boine City.

Don't know for sure.

I'll have to look up the address because I put the address here.

If that's from our friend John up there in that classic location.

Thank you.

Now, Scott, you flew up here.

Yep.

You did bring some amazing whiskey glasses personalized right there.

O.W. Roadster Shop.

Got our names on them.

And kind enough to bring two for the guests.

Something that nobody's done before.

Now we have matching glasses.

So thank you very much.

Appreciate that.

It's a nice upgrade, man.

Very nice upgrade.

I'm not a drinker, so I didn't, I felt out of my depth to bring you guys a bottle

or something, plus there's going to be a problem getting it through TSA

and getting it on the airplane.

I would have to wear my uniform to exceed the liquid things.

That would be a little weird.

So I thought some custom car builders could use some custom glasses.

I appreciate it.

I hope you like that.

Perfect.

If you don't mind me saying, my buddy, Gene,

he's one of my coworkers.

He has that business O&M Craftworks on Instagram.

And he does a bunch of laser etching stuff.

And he's done some really cool stuff for me.

And I really like this.

What do we call that?

We call that, well...

That's a shout-out.

Yeah.

When I say it, it's a shout-out.

When you say it's a shout-out.

Somebody else says it.

It's just like talking about your buddy or somebody else.

He did an amazing job.

I really appreciate that.

Not only did you bring some really cool glasses that we're going to drink out of.

If you're watching this on YouTube or Spotify video right now,

you'll probably see me partake of some of these.

If you're listening, it's going to be the weird noise that you hear.

And that's going to be me eating these Alabama Peanut Company peanuts.

The best peanuts, they're down there.

Unfortunately, we can't fully enjoy them the way I've always told you

that you're supposed to enjoy Alabama Peanut.

People like my mom did in a glass bottle of Coke.

As my grandfather would say, her dad would call it a Coca-Cola.

That's how you pronounced it.

It was just CO-Cola.

Coca-Cola.

But we don't have that.

But these are going to be amazing.

Cajun roasted, and then there's some dark roasted over there.

I even brought a little dish to put the...

Look at you.

I'm telling you what, you want to eat one?

I'm telling you, you're going to understand.

We go to Bill's Pizza and they bring one basket

and then you're like five baskets later, just can't stop.

Yeah, 100%.

It's probably a pretty shitty version.

What's also, everybody that might notice,

this new wonderful Jeremy from Lucky Strikes,

Oil and Whiskey hand-painted thing.

We decided to place it here because that was the best spot.

And then the very first episode we go to do,

I'm going to have like peanuts right there.

Yeah.

It looks great though.

It brings the room together.

It looks great in here.

You see, we got a little...

Yeah, you're the first guest.

They got to see the...

Andy worked on the mics.

Yeah, we got some...

We got some...

He jazzed it up.

He was out here doing some stuff on the truck.

I do really like my thing.

Yeah.

Yeah, we just kind of cut him loose.

I guess you got a reputation.

We have a reputation.

It would be in the two idiots.

It's the reputation.

It all worked out well.

Scott, again, really appreciate you coming up.

Briefly ran into each other out there the week at SEMA.

And it was brief.

It was, hey man, how's it going?

Yeah.

Going to see you again next week.

Awesome.

You had things to do.

You were trying to get a two-week show into two days.

And we were busy too.

So we got to actually meet just 10, 15 minutes ago.

So this is going to be great.

We get to know each other live with everybody else.

Absolutely.

We have got...

We spent a lot of time traveling.

So the pilot, the fly-in, the airlines thing,

just let us know when it's enough

and that we need to move on and start talking about cars.

I know you came here to talk about cars.

You're like, I don't want to talk about my job, but I...

I got to tell you this one story that this is...

This just recently happened to us.

And I was kind of shocked by this.

We're sitting on the plane.

It was flying...

Was that out here?

Out to Vegas, wasn't it?

Oh, and they said it fixed itself.

Yeah.

So we're sitting on the plane

and the lights are like flickering and stuff.

And then it goes just dead silent and just black.

And then the pilot shortly after,

he comes back on and he starts saying something about...

They're waiting for the crew to come out

to investigate an electrical issue.

And then I kind of wish he just stopped there

because then he went into greater detail.

And he was telling us that whatever's happening

is causing the plane to completely lose

its electrical supply.

On-board power.

Which to me...

I mean, I'm pretty mechanically inclined.

I just think about everything like a car.

And I'm like, that's probably not good.

Seems bad.

And then as we sit there,

power's coming back on, everything's good.

We wait for like 40 minutes for the crew

to come check it out.

Pilot comes back on and says,

well, the crew never made it.

But it looks like everything's working.

I mean, sometimes these things just fix themselves.

So we should be pushing off here

shortly if everything goes right.

Or we could take another plane.

And everyone's like...

You have got to be fucking kidding me.

Because I'm thinking about it.

That's kind of like us saying,

well, cycle the battery switch.

And then you take the car out.

The battery is cycling.

And it worked for a couple of minutes.

But then it goes south, like five minutes later.

You would be surprised how many...

Turn it off and turn it back on

and see what happens.

Oh, my God.

It's control.

But it's like that.

I mean, the back wall, the cockpit,

if you ever look in there,

there's hundreds of circuit breakers back there.

Everything's got us control.

And often that's our first step.

Turn it off, turn it back on,

see what happens.

It'll reboot itself and it's good to go.

So in something like that,

where you're sitting at the gate

of a problem, it might have just been the APU,

which, you know, once we start the engines,

the engines are supplying the electrical power

to the system anyway as we turn the APU off.

So it's like, it's not even a big deal

if it's not working.

It must have been a big deal.

Whatever it was, we ended up deplaning.

Shortly thereafter.

So I'm guessing it needed to be fixed.

But yeah, it was just...

I don't want to hear any of that.

Like just tell me it's either,

like there's a problem or just sit tight.

There's a delay.

I tried to very carefully phrase

what I'm going to say to the passengers,

to alleviate their concerns.

Because I know there's a lot of nervous flyers

and they don't understand.

Yeah.

You know, so I try my best there,

not to scare people.

I saw on your video,

we emailed a little bit before SEMA on schedule on this,

you know, and you made a couple statements of it.

You know, I hate travel.

I hate, you know, flying.

And then I saw a couple of videos of you coming out to SEMA

and you were documenting that

and you made the comment again,

you know, I hate flying.

So that's what you do for a living.

I don't say I hate flying.

I say I despise air travel.

You despise air travel.

I do, at six foot three,

I do not like sitting and coach seating.

Like that's what SEMA show was the first time

my wife and I had flown somewhere together in 10 years.

Really?

We like going to Florida.

We visit our moms,

you know, about a four hour drive from us

and we just don't fly places.

But you know, I do it all the time.

I don't want to go to the airport on my off day.

I don't want to go through security.

I don't want to pack a bag.

It's just, you know,

it's not that I have any fear of flying

or I don't like it.

I just don't like being crammed in the back seat, you know.

Do you, I understand that completely.

You know, we talk about, you know,

we don't really want to watch like car TV shows that much,

you know, or you want,

when you go out to dinner with somebody,

like the last thing you want to do is talk cars sometimes.

So I understand that similarly.

I wasn't thinking of the physical size

and stature thing.

That would be, you know,

I get uncomfortable in four and a half hours

in a coach seat.

That's a long flight.

Especially when we're going to get into this too

of what your, what's your rules

or ethics on airline travel.

Right.

There's some things that we all feel strongly

that you shouldn't do.

It seems like it's done a lot.

Yeah.

Josh is going to, he's about to get into.

Yeah.

We're going to get into it.

What he doesn't like about sitting next to other people.

But if we could only have,

there's at least two of them out there.

I know recently, if we could find them,

to get them on the podcast to talk about

what it's like to get a ginger ale,

just toss all over you and your,

all your possessions, you know,

your electronics,

just like all the,

make a nice puddle in your seat.

So be careful when you start talking about

how you don't like what other people.

That was unfortunate.

That was unfortunate for her.

But that was to set the record straight.

That was her ginger ale.

They got knocked on to her.

Nevertheless,

I didn't do it myself.

Yeah.

I was at counterpoint sitting next to you on a plane.

It's been,

I travel a lot.

And that's been,

it's been two unfortunate incidents.

Unfor, you know,

and I apologize greatly,

but that's still,

I would rather have a big accident

of somebody that didn't mean to do something

versus just a complete unawareness of,

I mean, I got cranked in the face,

just landing here,

coming back from Vegas

and with that loaded up Jansport.

And then that,

that Jansport had to be grabbed

and redirected onto the,

a better location for him.

But we,

we've talked about it.

Phil had a really good point in that,

the other day when we were at airport,

something that we don't like to speak of

is the social credit score, right?

People talk about, you know,

that's coming, it's being done overseas.

However,

tweaked for airline travel,

I think could be a game changer for everybody.

It could be an app-based thing

and you're gaining points rapidly.

But you can also get points taken away rapidly.

And as you gain points and you move,

it was like a video game,

you move it to next levels,

other doors and means of travel

get opened up to you.

You know, you can,

you can show up a little later for boarding.

You can do things based on your status.

Now you order in it,

it's so easy to do

because you can link it to everybody around you.

So if everybody's waiting in line at Starbucks

because of your horrendous order at the airport,

you don't need any more pumps.

You don't need any more cream.

You don't need any more stuff.

Just a coffee, just get a coffee.

You're at the airport.

Roll through.

Now if you do that

and you're holding up the line,

I mean, that's like a,

that's like a ticker.

You're losing points by the second.

You put some thought into this.

We ran through a lot of stuff.

Yeah, we ran.

But I mean,

Is everything out of your pocket?

That's a simple,

then most people can't pass that test

before going through the screening.

Why is it appears,

these can't be first time travelers,

but why does it appear

as though so many people,

as soon as they enter the airport,

it's the first time for everything in public.

I mean, the lack of situational awareness

is people walking on the terminals, unbelievable.

I mean, they get to the bottom of the escalator

and they stop.

It's like about to be a pile of mine.

It's like, it's unbelievable.

I don't know it.

I mean, God bless our flight attendants

to deal with all this.

I mean, I get up there,

I get in my hole.

I talk on a PA behind a bulletproof door

and I don't have to deal with

any of the agency that commonly

is going on in the back of the airplane.

They're great people to have the mindset

to do that job and be able to put up with it.

Anything that you,

anything that moves your person,

any people mover,

any moving sidewalk,

any escalator, anything,

even the trams that are in some place,

as soon as you step on something

that's going to take you somewhere,

it's like you shut your brain off completely.

It's like going on to do anything.

And it's mind blowing.

Except for those two people

in Kansas City.

Can we talk about that?

I don't know if we've talked about it.

I don't think we did.

Have you ever been to the Kansas City Airport?

Oh, one of the new ones.

The new one.

Yeah, yeah.

So they've got that great major thoroughfare,

the two terminals together,

and they've got a pretty long two moving sidewalks.

So we are just entering the first section

headed to the other terminal

and a couple, man and wife,

are just exiting in our way

the wrong direction.

They've walked the whole two things,

the wrong direction.

And each one's a quarter mile.

And at no point,

I mean, this had to be the funniest.

We watched them struggle.

We stopped.

We all looked at each other and were like,

there's got to be something.

It wasn't like a young couple that was doing it as a job.

This wasn't, I mean,

60-something years old with a bunch of bags and stuff.

It had to have been a 45-minute journey.

But at any point in time,

there was no time that they were like,

oh, stop.

Just give up.

Go back to the start.

All you had to do was just stop walking.

They just continued and continued.

Just a little bit further.

We were dumbfounded by this one.

Yeah, we actually have it on video.

They don't want to admit defeat.

I guess not.

I think it was something like you

they're just not going to lose.

But even if you did that for the first one,

you get off and then you say,

you know what, let's just go ahead

and do it again.

Because they separate.

I was thinking about this morning

in preparation for airline talk.

It's almost like when you get to the airport,

all of us, whether you believe in evolution

or not, if you just take the Neanderthal scale,

where you're just like full-blown primate

and then you start to stand up that scale,

Neanderthal and Pro Magnet and all that.

We're all at different places in life on that scale.

We've seen those mouth breathers

and then you've got the smart people.

As soon as you enter the airport,

it's a reverse.

So based on whatever level you start,

you reverse faster or slower.

That's what happens at the airport.

Because even us and other way smarter people,

if you're in an airport all day long,

by the end of the day,

then you start getting territorial or whatever

and you start, this is my space.

So you get that way,

but then if you're already midway on the scale

when you get to the airport,

that's the person that's like,

hey, everything out of your pockets?

Yeah, absolutely.

And then you go through and they're like,

what's that? Oh, that's my phone.

What about that? That's a water bottle.

What's that? Oh, that's a knife.

Well, your pockets are full-blown loaded up.

It's amazing to me.

I didn't know if you had some secret insight

or at the end of the day it's just like,

no, there's just stupid people everywhere.

I think that's just the way it is.

I can't imagine.

You talked about the flight attendants.

The TSA is who I can't.

Although I will say,

God bless them,

especially everything they're having to do with right now

and show up and deal with all those dumbasses.

When everything's rolling smooth

and like there's been those times

where like they're almost waiting on you to like,

you got to pull your laptop out

when they haven't like said the rules.

And no, no, laptops in the bag.

They're just waiting.

And then there's the whole red crotch thing.

The red crotch thing I think is that's a thing

to screw with you because I get it all the time.

Yeah, the red logo on the crotch

when you go through the thing.

I don't know.

Do you like one?

I've been starting to wonder what's going on with that with you

every single time.

I think you weren't tin foil boxers.

Just to get it.

Yeah, we get a little frustrated with TSA.

Not the individual workers.

Just the policy and time.

We have what's called known crew members,

so we kind of have our own line.

We go through it a lot of airports

to scan your ID, then you're random

and you got to go through security.

And it's like, you know, sometimes you're like,

oh, you got too much metal on your belt or whatever.

And I'm like, I'm flying the airplane, man,

like what am I going to do with this belt buckle

if I got bad intentions, I don't need this belt buckle.

So, you know, but they're just,

they're just doing their job.

So it's not the individual worker,

but it's just like the policy time times.

I'm like, you know, if you're going to trust me

to fly this jet around with these people's lives in my hands,

can I please just get a free pass through security?

The individual people is not the thing,

it's like you said, it's the policy,

but it's the moving target.

It's the not knowing what the rules are today.

Obviously with the shoe thing that's kind of became

nationwide, that's a little bit easier.

But it was always the,

you're trying to listen ahead

if they're going to tell what the rules are

or you're watching people.

And is it belts on or belts off today?

Is it shoes on or shoes off today?

Are they running fast and they're like,

no, don't take stuff out of your bag

until you just so, take everything out.

That guy said, no, don't take it out.

Just get locked up and don't know what to do.

I think they're also

reading your facial expressions too to see how you act

and are you like super nervous about stuff?

Well, anyway,

last flight thing, how did you,

what made you want to become a pilot?

My dad was also a pilot and so I just kind of

grew up around it.

And I think honestly looking back at over my career

like watching his pay and

lifestyle and, you know,

more of an influence on me becoming a pilot

than the actual love of flying airplanes now.

Once I started flying, it's been a great job

and, you know, it's been a good, great career

and a great way to provide for my family.

But, you know, I get a lot of questions now

on social media, particularly from, you know,

up and coming pilots asking about work, life balance

and family life.

And I will say, you know, as a son of an airline pilot,

like when I'm off work, I'm off work.

I have no obligation to work.

Whereas most wage earners

in my category of wage earning,

they do when they come home.

Like, you know, me and Jeremy were talking about the hours

he puts in and maybe not having time to work on his car projects

on his own because he's too busy here and stuff.

You know, I don't have that. When I leave the airport,

I'm done. I'm off.

So my dad, you know, was like, you know,

being the best man in my wedding.

He was my best friend. We had an amazing relationship

relative to my friends.

I grew up whose dads were similar wage earners

and other businesses.

It was a great family event for me

and the way I grew up under it.

That's just kind of what I knew.

And you know, back then, you know, I don't fly much now

because flying standby is difficult.

The flights are also full. Back then, the load factor

was like 60%. So I mean, I flew everywhere

where we wanted to go first class.

You know, this was before frequent flyer program.

So I'm up there, you know, six years old

in first class with an ice cream set.

This is great. Why would I not want to do this?

That's really what got me into it.

But and I'm a super homebody

and I have really no interest in flying outside of work.

So I'm a little different than a lot of pilots.

That's their identity. That's that's not me.

I'm very thankful for the career I've had

and how it's provided for my family.

But like the day I last fly a Delta jet

will be the last airplane I ever fly.

You know, I would never spend a single penny

to build an airplane or, you know,

I get a lot of that on social media too.

Why don't you build an airplane, man?

I'm like, I'm sticking with cars.

I'm a car guy. I just, I fly jets to buy airplane

or to buy car parts.

What's the path to becoming the commercial pilot

and you start military and then?

I was listed in the Air Force when I got out of high school

and was, you know, in the reserves

while I was in high school or in college

to get money for school.

And then only officers in the military fly

except when the army has warren officers

that don't require a college degree.

But my intentions were to be a military pilot

when I graduated college in 1996.

It was really a down flow of, you know,

military pilots.

So I didn't really have the timing and opportunity to do that.

So I had done Auburn University has a flight program.

So I had done all my flight training there

and I started at a regional airline right out of college

and then a couple years after that moved on to Delta

which was like the end goal job.

When you get to Delta, what's the...

I mean, I know you got flight hours

and then you've got, you know, captain and stuff,

but routes wise,

what are you, what's the path of like,

what's the goal or what are you like?

What's the coveted routes?

Well, that's a nice thing.

Everything's done on seniority.

Generally the bigger the airplane, the more senior it is.

So like when I started, we saw a flight engineer.

Now we're down to just first officers and captains.

So, you know, you start as a junior first officer

generally on a smaller airplane

and then you can kind of work your way up to

through the bigger airplane and then, you know,

you may start at the bottom on the smaller airplane

as captain and kind of work your way up.

But your only, your initial assignment

is given to you after that.

It's all your discretion.

So, you know, you can be junior on a bigger airplane

or you can stay senior on a little airplane

and it's kind of to each their own.

So I'm just a domestic guy.

You know, he was an internationalist

last 10 years of his career.

He aged poorly and died young.

Just, you know, that back side of the clock

times on stuff really just seemed to wear him out.

So I had no interest in doing long haul stuff.

I'm at a point in my career where I fly one day trips.

I haven't done, I haven't been in a layover hotel

in a year and a half.

I just, I wake up in Alabama, drive to Atlanta,

go to, you know, Caribbean Island.

I fly back, I drive home, do that a couple days a week

and I sleep at home every night and that suits me.

There's a lot of guys that, you know,

flyin' over the world and that's what they want to do.

And so it's kind of to each your own thing

and there's a lot of talk of like quality of life versus pay.

I leave a lot of money on the table doing what I do

but I'm very happy with it.

So it's fine with me.

What size plane do you fly?

I fly an Airbus 319, 20 and 21.

So about a 200 seater is the 321.

What's your favorite plane to fly?

The Airbus is a really nice flying airplane.

I mean, I'm flown the 717,

27, 375, 767,

MD-88, MD-90

and the Airbus series while I've been at Delta.

So I've had a pretty good grasp

and, you know, pilots often debate Boeing versus Airbus,

which is better.

There's not many Airbus, there's not many pilots

that have flown both that like the Boeing more.

Not for safety or anything like that.

It's just a comforted thing.

In the Airbus I have a side stick controller

and so I have no big yoke that's between my legs.

It's in the way so, you know,

in that airplane I'm extremely comfortable.

Like when we're up at cruise, you know,

I can kick my seat back and I can cross my legs

and stand up in a cockpit, you know, like a 737.

I flew those.

Cockpit's tiny. You got no room to move around.

It's very uncomfortable.

So for me, again, being a tall guy,

I kind of like why I don't like flying in the back of the airplane.

The comfort factor of the Airbus is nice

and it's very system-wise.

It's very nice, too, and it's very user-friendly

and pilot-friendly.

When you're doing a plane change

or going to the plane you've ever flown before,

what's the onboarding or the training?

It's usually about a month for a full checkout.

Maybe you would have a ground school in person

where you'd learn systems now.

It's basically all computer-based training,

so we do the computer-based course

to learn the systems on our own ahead of time,

and then we show up and we take like a systems test

on that, and then we move to,

they have like cockpit procedures,

trainers or flight training devices,

which are like non-motion, non-visual simulators

where we learn all our procedures and stuff,

and then we kind of roll into simulator training.

And that process generally takes about a month.

And then the first time

is a passenger revenue flight.

So people might find that kind of interesting.

They have special training captains

that you fly your first so many hours.

They call that initial operating experience,

so we'll fly the first couple of trips

even though I'm a captain.

I'll have a captain in the first officer seat

with me supervising.

What's that announcement like to the...

We don't say, hey...

It's my first time.

After that first landing,

it's also my first one.

So we kind of just leave that out.

Yeah, I got you.

How many years of experience do you have to get to,

and also

is it a commission-based thing

to hit the Chemtrails button?

Or...

The Chemtrails isn't as popular as it used to be,

but I can't post a flying video without

a flat earther coming at me.

You know?

Yeah, that would have to be

interesting argument from your side of

what you see

and

how you fly.

It'd be interesting to see

your argument on that because

you would know.

I would just say if the earth is flat, where is the edge?

Because if you can look at a map all the time,

there's planes constantly

circumnavigating the globe.

So if it was flat,

there'd have to be an edge somewhere, right?

I don't know.

I just skip that question all the time.

It's worth talking about it here,

but on social media, I never engage.

It's a hard one to engage, especially on

social media. What's the craziest thing

you've seen in the sky?

Ever anybody that's just

off course in a little private jet that you're like,

oh, shit!

Where'd that dude come from?

I mean, there's some times,

like I was going to the Palm Beach one time,

and just the way airspace is,

it's kind of like an upside-down cake at times,

so you can be on an approach above

where the airport are coming in,

and somebody might be crossing under you,

the control tower's not really talking to.

Palm Beach, for example,

they've restructured their airspace now,

where there used to be a thing,

and we had guys zipping right under the final,

and it's like that's a really bad place to be.

I mean, it's not necessarily unsafe.

We've got systems that protect us in that,

but it's like I had one there where I was like,

this guy's in a bad spot,

but I've never seen anything weird.

I get asked about UFOs or

and you gotta fly the long haul.

That's when you get a little punch drunk and drunk.

A little sleepy.

Yeah.

You know, last, and we'll get to the car stuff,

but not to get,

we don't want to get political and stuff,

but the last month or so has been

quite challenging for air travel,

and I'd be interested to know

your take from a pilot standpoint.

I mean, you're not having to deal

near what the air traffic controllers

are dealing with,

but you're impacted by it.

Yeah, I would say, you know,

it's just from a user perspective

is just an inconvenience,

because the controllers are,

they're only going to launch as many flights

as they can safely handle.

So the way they get around that is

cancelling flights, delaying flights, and so forth.

So, you know, from my perspective,

safety-wise, now I'm not concerned about it.

I'd like to see those people getting paid

to do their job and be there.

So I'm glad that seems to hopefully be coming

full force.

I know, like Saturday, I was talking

to a friend that lives in Auburn,

that was at Seaman Show, and he was coming home Saturday,

and he's like, man, I got to the Vegas airport

at like 9 a.m. and walked through my door

at 12.45 a.m., you know,

because Atlanta went into like a five-hour

departure delay Saturday.

It's like one of the longest I've ever seen.

Yeah, we looked at it.

We had a, what, 30-minute delay out of Vegas.

That was, we were scared.

It was debating getting on an earlier plane

when I ended up getting canceled.

So, played a good game or a let.

Yeah, air traffic control.

I remember being young, young when I lived in Dallas.

My friend, his dad,

was air traffic control at DFW.

And I just remember,

I didn't know anything then,

but I remember, I can think

back now of like all the stress

that they talk about.

I'm like, yeah, that's why that guy was that way.

Yeah.

That's a lot to deal with.

It's high stakes all the time.

That takes a different person

to enjoy doing it.

Yeah, and so, you know, all those controllers

that weren't coming in, I didn't blame them.

We don't want them there.

We got to access our fitness for duty every flight

or if you're a controller, every shift.

When you sit down, you'll be locked in

because if you make a bad mistake,

the scope of those mistakes

is bad. It's pretty big.

They didn't feel like they could be there.

If they had too much going on,

take care of their family. I don't want them there.

I'd just soon take a delay.

So cars,

how did you tell me briefly

and I didn't want to get too much into it

because I like to hear the story the first time.

Where did all this come about?

Like, the interest

and how, you know, where you're at now?

I always grew up, you know,

I like cars, but I never had the opportunity

or time to work on them.

You know, in high school, I had a car

and I'd changed my way of holding.

I'd changed the spark plugs and I got the dang wires

crossed up and the thing was running

and I always screwed it up, you know.

But I was always a fan of cars

and my dad liked cars, but my dad was very poor

growing up on welfare and, you know,

even though he had the money later in life to mess with him,

he never did because he never really treated himself

because he just could never get out of that.

So, you know, I didn't grow up around it

very much, but I always had that interest there

and then I got to the point in my life

where I'd been pretty successful with work

and I got into my 40s and my wife

got into a new house and I had the space

and the time and the money and I was like,

you know, I'd like to build a car.

I'd like to do this and I was like,

my uncle Jim down in Tampa, he's a car guy in the family.

He had built a Cobra kit car one time

and I was like, well, maybe that'd be kind of cool to do that.

So I, you know, got on Google,

literally I Googled one morning like Cobra kit car

and like factory five popped up

and started researching it and looking at the form

and I'm like, I think I can do this.

Like I don't think I could handle

like a roadster shop build straight away

because, you know, 25 years prior,

I changed my oil in high school.

So I needed, you know,

and so it comes with an instruction manual

every part I need in a builder's form

of incredible people.

And that was kind of my first introduction

to the car guy culture and how good

the people all around this industry are.

And I was like overwhelmed with how helpful

people were to build that car

and so it put me in a successful path

there where I could get that Cobra build

and I build and I was like, man,

and then I was like, I want to do something a little bit harder.

So I got a 79 portion 9-11, you know,

9-11 has always been my dream car.

So I had actually bought

a brand new 2018 9-11

that I was driving and

I was building the Cobra and then I had both those cars

and I'm like, man, these cars are both so fast.

I'm going to jail at like, you know,

the end of second gear is like jail to go to jail speed

and, you know, my job is to operate vehicles

pretty responsibly. So I'm not like a speed racer.

I don't drive my cars like in a whole

on public roads, you know, I'm like,

you know, get up from a stop to the speed limit

plus 15 as fast as I can and then just kind of cruise

kind of guy and so I'm like,

I need a slow car but I need a car I can build

so I get the 79 portion 9-11 that's got

180 horsepower, you know, and I can go

I drive that thing hard through four gears

and I'm going 70 miles an hour or whatever

and I did like more like a

traditional restoration on that and, you know,

kind of rest of my style but

I did a lot more that, you know, because I kind of

had that foundation from the factory five build where I could,

you know, advance my skills a little bit

and basically each car I've done, I've tried to make it

harder so then I was like, got done with

that and I came across Roadster Shop

and I was like, this stuff looks amazing, man

and then I started emailing Irvin and,

you know, next thing I know, I got a 67

Camaro chassis coming my way and

that was my first car trying metal work

and I did many tubs and it's just

what year did you finish the

Porsche?

Probably around 18 or so

2018 probably

because I think I built the Cobra around

15, 16 and pretty much

rolled right into the Porsche after that.

How much research, before

you decided on the Camaro

what did that

that research look like on

something harder, American muscle

I mean, you're an

analytical guy, you're going to do your research

I want to hear about that process. Yeah, I'm

definitely a researcher and it's a little

hard to remember the specifics of it because

like I was talking with Irvin earlier today, it's like

the Mustang build

and now the Chevelle build like I did all

that research on the Camaro and then I was like

Roadster shops where it's at that's what I want to do

so like I haven't really done that research on the next

two cars I'm just like

Roadster shops it, that's what I'm getting but

I did do a substantial amount of research and looking at

different options and just putting on a different

front and rear suspension all those different kids

versus doing the full chassis and ultimately

I felt like Roadster shop is the best

there is, I want to build the best

I want to try to build the best and also

it was like

when that thing showed up I'm like there's no way

this body is going to fit on this chassis

as easy as they say it will

and then I have you know I do have a two post lift

in there so I had the body up in the air I rolled the chassis under

every alignment point

was perfect I'm like I can't believe it

like I can't believe it like and I had that

thing on and off you know 15 times over the

course of the build and it was just you know

it was next level for me in my builder

progression but it was also like

the product was so good that it was

I was capable of doing it. Is this thing on?

Yes. Thank God.

The Camaros

really did that was like

a sort of a pivotal moment for us

in changing from that that was the first

chassis that we really designed with that

mindset prior to that it was we were

so focused on just making it the

lowest coolest baddest ass

looking piece. Regardless of what it meant

for you to install it. If you got to cut it

cut it right if it meant getting it out of

the way to make it look cooler we did

it but that put a lot of

effort into that it's great to hear because

they truly are even here because some

guys are used to putting in the shop

professional builders used to put in like a perimeter

frame under something and it takes

couple days of cutting and getting that thing

situated and then

Camaro build comes through and it's

like boom down on there bolted

on it's off the lift and you know

couple hours and then they're in their

stall starting fabrication so

let's get started. The first one we did

was we set up like five go pros and we

were going to do a time lapse video of

the body going down in the chassis

and it went down and then we

moved the left arms under the chassis raised it up

bolted on worse footage

that's going to be so boring

anti-climactic for sure

no I mean it was as good as it was

better than I hoped it would be and you know when

I still say that I think I said that in another video

I was talking about the Chevelle chassis coming

and I'm like you know you don't know until

you drive it because I had never seen a

car in person I've never seen a

chassis away from a car in person I'm like

all I'm seeing is what I'm seeing on the internet

and people talking about it and I'm like

you know I'm just a little skeptical I'm like

I don't know this is going to be as good as everybody says but it was better

so I'm so satisfied with it

well I mean a lot of that

I had the privilege of driving your car

and we'll get into that a little later but

I did mention to you that it's a well

built very nice

performing car which is

something that a lot of that comes

from the guy building it I mean the chassis is the foundation

it lends a lot to it but

if you miss on everything else

then it doesn't doesn't matter

that car's just it's it's done right I mean

the seats are in the right place the

shifter feels right it's

tune good the throttle response is there

and it it's it's sort of a pleasure

to drive whereas I've

driven some stuff that even on our

chassis I'm like oh my god like

because they like parts are coming

off and like

things are touching things that move

and it's not it's not real pleasurable

so I gotta commend you on

the work you did on that nailed it on the

ergonomics I think from a driver

experience that's like one of the things you notice right away

steering wheel is a little bit loose your

pedals are a little bit shaky this shifter

is not in the right location the seats

too far back too high too low

I think that plays

a huge role in how you feel in the car

and someone paying attention

to all you definitely nailed it

and that's pretty damn impressive

I mean that means a ton to make it from you guys

I mean I'd send you the email

after you'd had my car just say thank you

and I'm like it's freaking Jeremy Gerber

at the roaster shop he's not gonna know

he's not gonna respond to me like and then I got an email back

and then he's like giving me a compliment I'm like

man it like buoyed my confidence so much

because again I don't have much comparison

like I don't have any other these cars

to compare to that 67 Camaro in a

road shop chassis mine's the only one I've

ever driven so I don't know if it's good

to get a compliment from you guys on that

just means world to me that's awesome I mean

we don't need to name names so we could

say this but there's been cars through here

that are professionally built

by big big name shops

and maybe

the car I'm speaking about wasn't

on a roadster shop chassis

and I got behind the wheel of it and I'm

like you've got to be fucking kidding

me I mean just a

absolute disaster

and you're talking like

I don't have half a million dollar vehicle

and I'm like

it's sort of eye opening but

again you did a hell of a job

on that thing man to

the coolest part about it was getting in it and there's no

there wasn't like a laundry list

of gotta do this these are the

quirks and these are the things that I maybe

did wrong so I need you to do this to make

sure that the car like works and like

jiggle this don't hit this at the same time

you hit this when this happens do this

it just it's a functional car

that just works well I did I did send

Phil last when he asked me about it he was like

I was like man I've done a few things here that

like I'm not sure that you guys are gonna

think's cool you sure you want to deal with this because I think right

maybe a couple weeks before

Phil called and asked about doing it

I'd heard a podcast and you were like talking about

fixing other people's problems and you guys didn't like that

and I'm like oh man they're gonna like get

lined up there and be like this guy's a freaking moron

what did he do with this thing so I'm very

pleased to hear the positive feedback on it

one I think it's

you know the spec chassis obviously makes

makes it

an easier

path to building nicer car

right than having to do

a front and a rear and you do a lot of

weld in and then you know leave a lot of adjustment

up to the end user but

above me on that you're an analytical guy

right you've done your research

you also had a couple cars

under your belt right in each one

just like every pro builder and everybody

else they each one of them you get better

right you learn things but you also

it says a lot to

the person that will stick

with

the build to get to the end

result and the end result

needs to always be

a the best performing car

that you can do

with your time

not so much budget with your time

because your time can fix

a lot of budgetary constraints

we've talked about that before

again we're not talking about

stylistic and going to winning shows

and doing all that kind of stuff sometimes that just

that takes a budget right but you can tighten in bolts

fit things yeah stuff like that

there's so often

and it's understandable

to get this way when you're

fixated on

the experience because the experience

is for the most part

what gets you started

and what keeps you driving through

and I've talked about before

I do it when I go to bed at night

that's what goes me to sleep

you think about the

build or the thing whether it's a project at home

or a gun build or a car

build or so like that you start going through

it's the experience of like once that's done

I get to do this, this and this and I want to do this

that's what keeps me up

that's the thing to put me to sleep

I start building it and then it just never stops

but once I start going into like I'm going to put this nut

in this way and this bolt in this way

I'm going to do that stuff you get down into detail

whatever then it's just I'm drift off

I get that way when you start talking sometimes too

I understand a lot of people do

it's my soothing voice

I get the soothing voice

he was told that

but my point is

there's always everybody's been there

there's those times where it's like

this thing could be driving this weekend

and then you come to a hurdle

and sometimes the hurdle

the drive

is more important than coming over the hurdle

right and you're just like alright that'll be fine

and then you start driving it

and that thing that you said that'll be fine

nags at you but you didn't do it the right way

and you definitely don't want to go backwards sometimes

it's difficult

sometimes to be like nope

I'm going to slow down

I'm going to do this the right way

or I'm going to call a friend

I'm going to ask what's going on

this is something I'm struggling with

versus just either one

or yourself that

you know what

it's my first Camaro build

this is good

but if you're not happy with it

the sticking through to make it right

is what has shown up

in his build

and it's what's important for other people to hear

because how many times

how many cars we've built collectively

and how many times is there always going to be a thing of like

oh my god you got to be kidding me

we got to do this

this needs to be right

that's happened to you before that

couple times

as a home builder as a guy doing it yourself

that's tricky because here

the shake down and the fine tuning

of the car in the final assembly process

is probably the most difficult

part of it because it's

like the car's almost done

it's ready to be delivered and then when something like

we used to have years back

products have gotten better

but we used to throw out bearings go bad

90% of the vehicles

well here you've got a team of guys

and it's two guys that are

experienced you dive in there you yard the exhaust out

transmissions out of the car boom

you got the part on the shelf that's back in

that fine tuning process as a home builder

has got to be tough

there's not a parts room in your garage

of grabbing a few fasteners

from here and I'll grab this hose here

and well that master cylinder didn't feel right

so I'll step up the bore because I've got one on the shelf right here

you kind of got to either nail it

or stick with it

to get it right it takes some staying power for sure

yeah definitely I got to a point on the Camaro

where I hooked up my hydraulic throttle bearing

and I thought it was all good to go and had it

in there had the body down on the

chassis and everything and

it was leaking from the

hookup point and I'm like I can't

get in there you thought about every possible

I thought yes

and ultimately

I ended up because I was like man pulling this

transmission back is tight in there

and I had done a slight tunnel mod

but it wasn't a lot and I was like

it's going to be a nightmare and so I was like

well the body comes off this thing easy

so I just left the whole thing up again

it was a lot of steps but it was like

I can just take the whole body off and get to it

easier than I can struggle to get to it

because also I was

working in my basement and I just have a nine foot ceiling

there so my two post list doesn't go up very high

so it was going to be a problem to get the car up high

enough to get the transmission out from underneath

less risk than screwing up

you know and so it's definitely been

a journey and like I find that I enjoy

the build process as much as the

driving and I've also found as I have

gotten more cars I can

walk away from a build that's going slow

and go drive something else so that's a nice

you know when I was building that cobra I was so anxious to get it done

and get it on the road because I didn't have anything else fun to drive

so that helps me a little bit there

I think my general philosophy

is like I take such pride in doing it

myself and in doing everything myself I

can like you know maybe

I can build 80% of the

car that a pro shop can build but

like the satisfaction of driving it myself

I'll take the 80% versus paying for 100%

which maybe the 100%

is even 100% because you never know what you're going to get

maybe I can build 50% of the car you guys

downstairs can build but

I'll take my 50% and the satisfaction

of doing it myself. That's cool

Making the

shakedown like you're talking about

the punch listing

making that part

of the process

going into it

once initial crank

in a fluid check

in a nut and bolt that initial drive

that's just starting this next phase

of the build

just like you're building a house

builders like hey we're wrapped

let's do a tour this weekend

if you know that's like well I'm fixing a blue tape

the shit out of this thing

of all the punch list stuff that you're going to have to come back and do

if you know

the process then you've kind of set your own mental

clock and part of it

and then also not being afraid to be over critical

of yourself

through it. It seemed

like a good idea at the time I thought that was going to be really cool

turns out that's a big major

pain in the ass like that's stupid

I don't like that now that I see it

and being able to be like I was wrong

you know or be over critical of the entire

build in the shop and stuff like that

and be like guys I know this sucks

like this we got to fix

this we can come back tomorrow

and get into this there's so many

times and there are people out there listening

there's so many times because it does

especially in the beginning

it's such a win

to get it to move

it's so hard to get it

to move and stop

and do the things that sometimes

you're like well

at least it's not overheating

or at least it's moving on its own power

but if the rear view mirror just

will not stay up

let's figure it out

I think we had that for a long time trying to

like get it through to all the guys

that it's a different mindset

like you just built this insane car from scratch

yeah the windows going to vibrate a little bit

but like the customer

the first thing they get in they close the door the windows vibrating

that's all they notice

that's driving them crazy they're not in awe that

you spent two years

building this thing from scratch to make it work

it's got tuck bumpers though but the bumpers are tucked

but I think that's the

that last one percent that's

an insane amount of words hard it's the first

thing the customer notices and

I think a lot of shops gotta understand that mentality

because that's what the guy driving it

he doesn't know what was involved in

tucking that bumper sees it

looks good if that bumpers

vibrating against the fender and making a lot of noise

that's driving him absolutely crazy so you gotta

gotta finish the car all the way

and then it's

what blows your mind too when you're building for a customer

they walk past

the

1500 hours

of painting

wet sanding and buff oh it's shiny

look at the tuck bumpers

they hop in first thing so many times

the

bluetooth will not hook to my phone how do I hook

I'm gonna hear this stereo but the bluetooth and then

it's the well I think you gotta hit this and then

it's just the radio it's not your fault

I don't know the settings like maybe go to bluetooth

well oh I've got it it's hooked to my

truck hold on like

screw the bluetooth connectivity we can

talk about that later right was

my question was you guys are talking through this for

you doing you're building it yourself you're the

home builder for the guys

in the shop some of those things like Phil said

they they don't really understand

and they're not that important it takes somebody

like pushing them to

to get it perfect

you being the guy who built it

and the car owner are you just like

I'll deal with like I'll take care

of the blue eventually

or are you like

you methodically move through those things

to get them perfect

or is it just like a sort of a

living organism that like I'll sort that out

and I'm gonna go cruise this thing I'll sort that out

next weekend you know my uncle Jim's got a lot of cars

and he's kind of like my cargo I mentor and I really

enjoyed my relationship with him he's got a lot of cool

stuff he's got a couple roaster shop

chassis cars and he does cool stuff but he's

always like Scott he's like you build these cars

there's always something you're gonna be wanting to fix on

it you know and like sitting home now I got a little drip

on the Camaro from the power steering I need to

work on the Mustang's got

a little thing I need to work on you know so there's

always something to that you know and it's like

I'm putting all this stuff out there on social media

and it's like funny you guys mentioned the tug bumper

thing because that's like my number one pet peeve

I'll be building the car and somebody's like aren't you gonna

tuck the bumpers and I'm like man you guys

watch these shows on TV where it's like so

easy and it's like you have no clue

what it would take I'm like the thought

of me tucking a bumper in my basement

is like ridiculous to me but then people

are like looking down on your build like

well you know what quality of build is this

if you're not tucking the bumper and I'm like

man I'm building a driver car

that I can be proud of you know like my bumper

is like on my 65 Mustang

is a repop bumper from

wherever I got it from you know Kentucky

Mustang or something I mean the gaps

aren't great on the end but like that's how it was

in 65 and like I'm happy with it

I'm on a driver I'm not building a show car

I don't sit around at a you know

show everybody judging my car but it's

funny you know the perception of people see

it on the TV show think it's easy and like I

should be able to do all that you know

you've been around this game you know the Internet well

you would have tucked the bumper and they said it's not way I would have done it

I can't believe you tucked the bumper I like the

classic look

I mean all those are the little things

little they're big things but doing it

at home it's like that there's

so many steps to that

like you to cut it

fit it and then you've got to like

you've got to box it now you got to get it

picked up UPS comes twice a day here

it's easy and there's a creating department

get it in a box send it out you've already got the contact

at the chrome plater which is that's

that's hard enough to establish

to do all those things then get it back

and then it never fits right because it

you know it moved it warped and then you got to straighten it out

maybe you got to replayed it

those little things at home are they're

overwhelming I would I would have to think so

well I mean in much respect to the guys at home that do that

that's just not me that's not where I'm at

interest level like I'm not building a perfect show car

I'm building a car that I can go out and rip it

and have fun and just love it

there's definitely a time and a plate like the car behind

you on that image right there

you see the bumpers front and center you can actually

see the bumper bolt on the side of it

that car the bumpers were never fit like

the paint body was pretty slick on it but that

wasn't the intention we bought a reproduction

bumper put it right on there

cars absolute blast to drive

it's got tens of thousands of miles on it

multiple customers have now

owned it we duplicated

that car and there's probably

two thousand hours in the rear

bumper on the second one with machined

everything and it's really cool but

at the end of the day maybe that was what

that customer wanted but the driving

experience it's sort of the same

you know either way it well I mean

if I'm paying you guys to build me a car

I'm having a tuck bumper because that's freaking cool

but you know as far as my capability to do it at home

is not there right you know so you got to know your limits

and do what you can do

that brings the point I've been kind of wanting to

talk on how big

of a leap was it

or did you have a lot of apprehension going

from a factory 5 car

that was a kit car that had

step-by-step instructions with all the parts

to now jump it into a

Camaro where you're buying

one part from 500

different manufacturers there's very little

interchange there's not nobody says

this power steering pump

works with this motor works with this steering rack

fits with this

and there's no instructions at all

and if you do find a forum they got

15 different opinions on it

yeah I was saying

how big of a I don't know

risk was that for you and did you just

jump in and figure it on the way or

well I and I mentioned before you got

up here but like I'm a big believer like

in the way you make yourself better surrounding

yourself with people that are better than you

so I you know kind of have identified

each build you know somebody that can really

trust and go to and get good advice from

that's held me out I mean Irvin downstairs

like it's funny we got home from SEMA last week

my wife's like who is your favorite person you met

at SEMA and I was like Irvin because

I've had like 500 emails

with a dude over the last you know six years

or whatever and he's you know I ask him

a question he goes ask your people and he gets

back to me so I'm able to get

good information and I do a lot of

research and I've certainly bought parts that

didn't work out but you know the biggest thing

to me was like the Camaro build was the first

with which I just basically did

a Detroit speed many tub kit

now that car was painted when I got it so I

didn't I didn't have to paint that car or anything

it was a pretty nice driving condition car when I

got it I basically just a mechanical restoration

there and I did the many tubs and I'm like

getting in there and I'm like gosh I gotta like cut

these frame rails back and like I'm not

super I mean like my welding is okay it's

not the greatest in the world and I'm like

all of a sudden I'm taking the frame rail

from you know two and a half inches thick or

whatever it is to like three quarters inch

and this isn't good but then I'm thinking to myself well I got this

Roadster shop chassis under here that's really carrying

the load of the car so now my frame rail

that I'm modifying is only carrying

the body weight it's really not structural

at this point any longer so it like gave me

the confidence to try it or as like

if I were shaving that thing down and then

putting some I don't know other companies

suspension back there I would not feel as good

about it as I do with the basis that you guys

you know allow me to use there

if with the

with the knowledge base that you

have after finishing the Camaro

not the skill level say your skill level is

the exact same before you started the

Cobra

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I think I would have felt probably

underwater honestly like I mean

the biggest thing about the Cobra is

like I learned that I could fear

stuff out and find a resolution to

stuff like the Camaro there is a lot

more of stuff that needed to be

figured out where I think if I didn't have

that basis of being able to figure stuff

out and apply what I learned on a simpler

build it would have been a lot harder

you know but that's for that's from my

mechanical skill level where I was coming

from that's not to say you know somebody

else couldn't first build rose shop

chassis nail it but you know the way

I want to go about it it certainly helped

me starting with a kit car

how did the

Instagram

YouTube documentation

of these builds start

once I finished the Cobra I started

kind of I had like a personal Instagram

as I was building the Cobra I just kind of

stick a few pictures on there and then

I got done with it and I started

a car Instagram it was called

scott's cobra at the time and I

just started doing that and the main

reason I like doing it was because

starting from scratch and nowhere

amazing to me the amount of people how

helpful there are for example the

shifter in my Cobra is the

flight stick from my dad's Air Force

jet my dad in 1969

had a malfunction with that flight

stick he had to land they took it out

of the airplane they gave it to him he said it

on his desk I was a little kid I play with

that flight stick he passed away before

my mom I mean before I started the Cobra

my mom gave me the stick and I had it sitting

on my desk and then I'm building the thing

and I'm like man I'd like to make this

shifter but like you know the way the Cobra

output for the transmission

shift lever is kind of aft of where you

would normally be so I'm like I need to move this thing forward

but I don't know how to do it so I get on the forum I'm like

hey guys I want to use this thing

but I don't know what to do and so this guy

messaged me he goes hey he goes put the car

in first gear and measure the angle put it in second gear

measure the angle tell me how far forward you want

to move this thing so I give him that information

he CAD designs this thing

this this mechanism you know this

coupler basically to put the you know to hook up to the

transmission to put the shift lever in

then he builds it welds it powder coats it

mails it to me put it in the car

perfect thing shifts perfect I'm like this is

freaking awesome that's cool and I'm like what are you

he's like nothing man he goes just pay it forward just

pay it forward you know so I you know

when I was building the Cobra I did a build log on there

and I build it from or I wrote it from

beginner's perspective like I'm gonna show you all my

stupid mistakes and did and then so I just kind of

was able to expand on that on social media because

they had more reach so I just kind of started

doing a lot of the Cobra stuff and then

then I started building the Porsche I'm like well

I need to change the name here so I came up with

Scott's rides and each car is getting

more you know when I was building the Porsche

like video wasn't really much of a thing on

Instagram it was still basically just pictures

and then by the time the Camaro I started doing

it and then you know really jumped into it

hard with the Mustang build

when did you realize that

now this is a this is a thing

it's not something I'm doing to document my

stuff now I've got like a responsibility

to turn into a

a responsibility for you

I've kind of been joking lately that I used

to be a car builder that made videos and

at some point I've almost transitioned to like

a video maker that's building cars and I'm

not sure that I really love that but

you know and it's like

I'm not chasing social media

to make money off it or anything like

that I like doing social

media and presenting it and I like just kind of

having a positive space there and encouraging

everybody to do the best with what they can

like all the time people are asking me

you know how much does this cost or how much does this cost

and I never talk about money on

social media because I realize I'm like extremely

blessed and I'm able to spend more

on my car hobby than a lot of people are

and like I find like throwing out you know in a

roadster shop build it's not going to be a cheap build

you know obviously you know when you start with

one of your chassis it's me up there

but the way I figure it is like if I spend

you know three times what another guy spends

on his build and we show up with cars and

coffee next to each other and he has the same

thing with his build that I have with mine

like who gives a crap what it cost so

I don't ever want to throw a number out there

because I feel like if I say oh well this build

cost me you know in the six figures that's just

going to discourage people from trying

so you know along those lines on social media

I don't try to do that I just want to have

you know encourage everybody to do the best

they can with what they have available

it works really well and I think

he recently got a message

from a friend of mine

Kevin Rudsted and he was

really excited so dude as we know him

he's one of my best friends I've been friends

with him since we were young kids

he's been like

like Jonesen to build he's like a mechanical

guy he's a home inspector

he comes from the you know

general contracting background but

he's been Jonesen to build like a 32

Roadster he's seen this

that Roadster pickup truck we did years ago

and he's all about it and I'm like always

encouraging I'm like dude do I mean I'm

always like there for

right to make bad financial decisions when it

comes to cars so I do do it I'm like

I'll help you out like I'll build you

the chastle build you the frame rails like

30 I dig 32 is it's like

sort of how I cut my teeth

but he I'm so once a week I get

a message from your text

where he's forwarding me one of your videos

or a link and he's he relates

to it so much because

it makes it like

more obtainable

for a guy that's doing at home like here's a guy

that's I'm like trying to build I'm like dude

you I'll help you out with all this like

anything you need like I'll handle it don't

worry your word doesn't mean anything yeah

but he sort of wants to do it on his own

and I think it really meant a lot to him

like he he's watched a lot of

our stuff he's followed us for years

he's more starstruck

knowing that you replied to him

or that like seeing your videos

then he is seeing like you know

we're talking about kindergarten that seem like a Dave

kind of video like to him

you're so relatable

and it was really cool of you to respond

to him for sure it's really baffling to me

well I'm I'm super anal about like reading

I read every message I get you know my theory

is like if somebody's gonna take time to watch my stuff

and they reach out to me I want to take the time to

reach back to them now it does get hard

with the quantity of messages sometimes

especially something really popular I mean

I have hundreds of messages a day but

I don't mind doing it like as long as it's positive

you know somebody's a jerk they get blocked you know

and it's like I probably have more people blocked

but I'm there I'm only there for a positive

spot and like you know if you're a jerk to me it's like

blocked and then sometimes you know I have the same

username on Instagram and tiktok so sometimes

I message on tiktok like hey man

you blocked me on Instagram what the hell

now you're blocked

I don't even know what you did man but you did something

you know I'm sure there's been a few people along

the way that I'm sure we're just being you know trying to be funny

and I took it wrong and I blocked them when I shouldn't have

but you know I so I hate it for that but

it's like I just want to have a positive space there and

you know but it baffles me like that people

you know last week I don't know how many people

stopped me a lot of people were like oh man I probably

love the videos and like I just don't I don't get it

because I just I just live with a humble

mindset I think and I'm just like I'm just

I just like to share what I'm doing I want to

encourage others to do it but I can't you know I find

it funny when not funny but I just it's like

wild when people are you know

I guess influenced

by me you know because I'm just like I don't

I don't feel like that way that fill

such a huge void in our industry it's like

nobody's doing it to that level

that's a third party you know most

manufacturers put out their own videos

and then you look at like most other

industries like the motorcycle industry

the gun industry any sports industry

there's all these massive amounts of

channels doing reviews and in-depth

builds our industry really doesn't have

that I think you're probably the only

guy in doing a absolutely phenomenal job

at it so yeah while you're while you're

taking it very humbly I think it's

playing a pretty huge impact and a lot

of guys out there they're looking for a

place to turn and get information from

and you do a phenomenal job putting it

out there and kind of showing step by

step and give them the positives and the

negative so I appreciate it I hate to

even bring this up because it's

situations probably should change but

just so everybody's out there listen

we pay you nothing no we he is

not a roadster shop employee this

is actually got brought up a couple of

times at SEMA about you

it's talking to one of the higher-ups at

Hemmings and talking about some different

stuff talking about the podcast and

talking about some guests and I mentioned

you and he said oh yes I do from Alabama

to build all the stuff he's a man you

must pay him a lot he's always talking

about be careful he's gonna send us

I said I didn't want to bring it up

it's this but Irvin took care of you

on merch right he got your handle on

shirts and stuff but it's it is and

I think it's in it is important to

bring up because to your point exactly

there's so little to zero of that in

this industry and then when you do see

some of that it is a paid at right as

I am gonna go to the booth I'm gonna

talk about this stuff whatever and you

know it's an influencer stuff to just

me you you speak for a good 60 to 70

percent of our of our core customer

base of what these guys are doing with

on the spec chassis side of things right

so many people that it's their first time

build they're building it with their son

they're building with their brother

they're doing that they've gotten to the

same situation like you know what you

know 40 45 years old of things are kind

of leveled out now I now I have the

time and have the money and I got

the desire and it's so important to

document it at the level that you do

and it's important for everybody to

know that if it didn't work out and

that chassis didn't bolt up you to let

everybody know that didn't it is because

you are biased or unbiased and I think

that I think it's an important thing and

I think that's that's where you talk

about you know you're humbled to it

I'm like we are humbled the fact that

like it's done that well completely

you know multiple times from a guy that

is is exactly our core audience and our

and our target customer of buy it shows

up you're doing in the home garage we

do talking about the Camaros before

you know you take you took for granted

sometimes not even the level of

fabrication just to see your size of

the shop that they're working in take

for granted sometimes just receiving the

chassis like oh yeah that's like the

biggest stressor for me is getting

that thing off the truck shows up

like like when the Mustang came I had

been talking with this lady at the two

because I get a flatbed to come back up

to the truck and so I'm talking to

this lady for like two weeks my chassis

and it's also stressful for me because

my schedule is unknown and like when

they ship that thing out it's like I

don't know that I'm not going to be

on a trip that day I gotta be around

so that you know I'm talking to this

lady the tow truck company like two

weeks I'm like here this one I

want to do I had pictures from the

first time you know I was like this

what we did last time she's like oh

great we'd love to help you with

that we'll be ready just calls

one gets here you know so they're

like chassis come tomorrow and I'm

like call her up and make chassis

coming tomorrow she's like alright

we're ready you know and then so the

guy ends up coming at like 6 p.m.

well I call and she's not at work and

the dispatcher's like we're busy man

we can't get to you and I'm like dude

I can't have this truck sitting in

my street for you know very long I

don't want the driver waiting you

know it's like really stressful for

me for that but you know these

builds like I get the like the

scared of in the pit of my

stomach feeling all the time on

them because I'm like man I've

stepped further I'm comfortable

with on this here you know it's

like in a lot of that stuff doesn't

make the videos you know but I

definitely have that fear going at

times like we you know with the

Chevelle bill here having to do the

tunnel sheet metal and you know they

send me the pieces and I'm like looking

at these curved edges and straight

edges of metal and I'm like I don't

know how to cut this and make it

you know and it worked out you know

I found a way but it's like it's a

learning all the time and I

scare myself all the time but I

kind of like that you know I like

that part of like challenging

myself because it's like you know

I've been very fortunate in my

professional career to be a high

achiever and it's like I'm at the

point there where it's like there's

there's nothing left for me to do

as an airline every every day my

goal is the same to have a safe

flight to treat my crew good and

the positive you know the

passengers have the most positive

experience you're a barrel rolled

one you haven't done it at all

like I have no more goals to

achieve that airline job other

than the same ones every time so

it's like social media kind of

gives me a new way to achieve

goals so I kind of like that and

like you know speaking out for

roaster shop like if I find a great

project product that I like talking

about I'm gonna talk about it and

bring it up you know and I spend a

lot of money with you guys and you

know I will say on the third chassis

Irvin gave you a nice discount on

that you know but it's like I don't

ask anybody to pay me for stuff if

I want to you know if somebody

believes in me and they want to

give me something I want to

impress them and I want to like

you know exceed their expectations

and how I can present their

project so I like I like being

able to do that and you know

it's easy to talk about awesome

products yeah I agree I I'm in that

position I'm end up being the guy

that's thrown into doing all these

YouTube videos and stuff so you're

talking a lot about a lot of people

I was just talking to Casey Wagner

last night and Casey say man I just

thank you so much for like always

mentioning us and it's not that like

there's no sponsorship there I mean

I think Casey's hooked me up with

a few like he gave me a couple

gallons of race fuel recently when

we were tuning my sand cart but

like I'm like dude I just the

product's badass so like why would

I not it's a great product and it's

so easy to talk about it and that's

that's the stuff I like surrounding

myself that's how we've built the

roadster's we're not engine

builders but transmission builders

like you don't build wheels there's

there's a group of people that it's

it happily will sing their praise

but I'll you know and I'll say

otherwise too if it sucks like

I could yeah like I really like

the episode when you had Mark

boulder on here and so a lot of times

after the episodes I'll look them up

on Instagram and just send a message

like hey I really enjoyed the podcast

that was good stuff and I really like

Mark's story about like his dad it

felt like his dad didn't really believe

him and he like still made it happen

and he's made this and I'm like I want

that dude's transition my car you

know so we ended up emailing back

and forth and I said you know this

buddy on social media I'd love to

do this you know and I won't ask for

discount and he's like well you know

I'm a small business I keep giving

you a free transmission that that's

another thing I think a lot of

people think I'm like getting all

this stuff for free I'm not getting

much stuff for free I'm getting

discounts here and there and you know

but I was like you know I find a

product I want to use and I reach

out to that company if they give me

a discount great if they don't

mind buying it at full price anyways

because that's what I want to use

and it's like I hear you know him

coming in here and you guys using

his stuff and I'm like I want to use

that stuff too only have the best stuff

there is so you know I got that T

56 from him for the Chevelle and

I'm super excited to get it in

there marks a great dude absolutely

great dude yeah you could buy it

like there's plenty of places you

could buy up like a budget T 56

but I spend more money getting a

prepped T 56 from him like a

carbon T 56 because I know it

works and it's saving me money

because I'm not yarding it back out

of the car and it's the

relationship just like you talked

about you know the relationship

you built with Irvin you can call

Irvin email Irvin you know he's

going to get back to you he's

he knows you y'all built a

relationship he understands the

project you've gotten through that

you know first first date stage

same thing with Mark like it's the

relationship you know it's hey I

got to have something quick I screwed

up I need help please yeah the only

issue you have Mark is the fact that

he's in like a land where there's

don't really have like technologies

like cell phone reception and I

think it takes longer for emails to

get there so sometimes the

correspondence takes a little bit

of time but it's always good he

is in the world that like the

time forgot yeah but Lawrence

feels that what's he in Kansas or

something no he's in Illinois it's

basically Lawrenceville in Tennessee

right like it's way it's I never even

I've never really paid attention to how

long Illinois is that it it goes so

far as far as that it borders like

in Kentucky basically Tennessee you're

like dude you get on 57 and run south

there's nothing because he's like oh

yeah Nashville like we're down here

in about 45 minutes but you're from

Illinois yeah oh yeah it sounds like

way down there that's farm farm farm

yeah you mentioned before we get to

other builds you mentioned SEMA so you

just got back and that was your first

SEMA show very interested one for

everything that we've talked about a

couple builds under your belt using

these brands but you're doing it

at home you're not doing it for a

living and this is your first SEMA

show what was the expectations going in

and where those expectations met I

honestly didn't know what to expect to

go out there because you just hear how

massive it is and how everything is and

then we showed up and I'm like this is

more massive and people are like you

can't understand it till you go there

and then like I've been home you know

this last week watching social media all

these videos I'm like I didn't see

this there's like I didn't even sniff

that thing so you know I thought I

covered a lot of ground but I

didn't hopefully so what was the

what was the most positive surprise

and then what was the most negative

surprise you know I don't even know

that anything negative stands out to me

something that I really enjoyed is

Thomas Dickerson who won your on the gas

yeah or that's he's I've got to

I've just become friends with him

couple years ago on Instagram and

then we've become more friends he's

helping a buddy in town that's doing a

job and he's actually sourced my LT

four for the thing he's just such a

good dude he's such a hard worker like

you know he had got the engine back at

a shop in like June and I was like hey

man we were he's he's lives about four

hours from me so I was like having to

be in the area I want to come by and

see the engine that cool I'm like what

time you need to shop he's like oh

like 8 a.m. till 11 p.m. and then on

Saturday and then Sunday after

church from you know 10 a.m. to 11 p.m.

and he's been working his butt

like every time they were announcing you

know the top 10 and top three and then

I had to leave before he actually won

the young guns but like just seeing the

satisfaction and like we come to know his

parents and you know seeing the pride

they fell for him and because like his

parents have got a lot of their you

know investment in his shop and getting

it going and it's just it was so

freaking cool to see him excel

in that scenario I loved it he

earned every bit of it I know you

reached out a couple of times you

know Thomas Dickerson we had a bunch of

other people's you know reach out hey

you have this guy on the podcast you

need to like mention him for on the gas

and a hundred percent no offense to

everybody you and everybody else has

reached out all that's fine and dandy

we got a lot of people that say hey you

should look at this guy you should look

at this person they this shop blah blah

I'd never seen it in person I've seen

it on Instagram yeah right but we've

been we've been surprised based

off what we think on Instagram we've

seen it so you sent me this stuff like

it's great I saw that it's going to be

debuted there was we were never going to

do anything prior to seeing anything

that anybody's created in person yeah

and busy busy busy week right we had a

lot of stuff going on there was

you know he got moved around right

Tuesday night we were actually going

to go look at it it was dark and

then he got moved finally

grabbed Jeremy as I hey

too many people like I'm seeing

it we're gonna go look at this

truck right I expect good things but

the proof is in the pudding as they

say and

wow

the kid knocked it out of the park

he absolutely knocked it out of the

part you know and he had said

something he's like man I'd love to get

that whiskey award and really did he

say that well I guess we

gave it how we couldn't find his ass

there's crickets

this is like Tuesday's like man I

hope they consider me and I'm like I'm

like your car your truck's kind of on

the wrong chassis man I don't think you got

a shot so like the fact that you guys

selected him you know not on

road shop equipment really speaks you know

for what you guys are looking for I thought

that was pretty awesome. We got a soft spot

for those young dudes and that thing was

so well done

Josh was the one I'll give it to

Josh he was the advocate for it

he really pushed

that was a rough night I think

we had to make a special

trip over there

we made a special trip all

the way to the back of whatever

North Hall to go

check it out and it's

truck speaks for itself I mean it is

it's as good as it gets

it's a very high

and truck he

checked all the boxes on it like the

finishes there the styles there the

details there the interiors there

like all the engine bay finishes

there's one box he didn't check but one

we won't hold it against him

but

great kid too I remember

he's popped

a handful of times over the

past few years it shows

where he's just kind of wandered into the booth

and grabbed me and just sort of picked my brain

up

that wasn't lost on me

he was really interested

in progressing himself

and sort of whatever

knowledge I could give him

limited knowledge it may be

he seemed interested

in just extracting anything he

we're gonna

I love seeing the drive from a 26 year old

it's awesome to me that was my best part

of Seema was seeing it experiencing it with him

I like that I like the quality

I mean we're probably

he probably doesn't even I know he doesn't know

because we're announcing now we're gonna have him on the podcast

so that's part of the

part of the OOW we didn't get to talk about it

at the show at the party

but surprise

he's coming on the podcast

we're gonna have him up

speaking about the young guns Thomas included

we've talked

for a while we talked about on this podcast

we've also talked

this podcast

just remember most people know this but so you know

all this is an extension

of our parking lot parties

and parking lot conversations that we've had for the last 20 years

so it's just

the same thing sitting down and

recording it

we've talked for so long

as we transition from

the young guys

then you go into that middle kind of thing

and there for a while

there was a lack

of new

blood coming in

and then some of the ones that were

um

had the wrong attitudes

it's just

it's just the way it was right so they

the patients they wanted everything right now

right why am I

this is my very first build and it really isn't that good

but why am I not

why am I not where the top is right now

right more

very much impatient and then who

which guys were this

some have changed some haven't

there was such

a bad problem with

the egos amongst builders

especially with that newer blood coming up

right and it was

you old guys don't know what you're talking about

you know and this guy's taking food off my

table and if you build a car

I can't be friends with you right

we've preached it for years there's enough

out there for everybody right everybody's got a different

style everybody's got to get different skill set

the most important thing is for a builder

and a customer to match up

right if you mesh up personality

and you mesh up style wise

then everything will be great this

newest group of young guns

not only are they

absolutely wildly talented

the drive is

I would say unbelievable but it's not unbelievable

the drive is

what the drive used to

it's refreshing because it's what we used to do

right then that's what

it's so refreshing to see the

you know what it's just going to take

and not once

heard any of these young guns that were fixing

to run through this from their names whatever

talk about it the proper work life

balance

I'm not saying it's the right way but if it's the way

to get the quality

and to make it in this industry there's going to be

a lot of sacrifice a lot of sacrifice

I get a lot of questions about work life

balance you know as an aviation career

and I always think to myself like work life

balance is like a phrase for 20 year olds

like that didn't exist when I was

22 year old airline pilot like I didn't

think like that so it's just a little

different I kind of laugh at it like but I'm

just a crusty old guy that's like work life

balance I feel like that's when you

interview the guy at the race

who came in 22nd place

and you're like well tell us about like how'd you do it

yeah the work life

I didn't practice real much

Michael Jordan's not talking about

for work life balance after you know

you know

championship game right yeah he pretty much

shredded that there I heard I've got to watch

that interview well the what you should

say I'm going off a tangent but the

work life balance it's not

it shouldn't balance out

what it should be is you work so

much and so hard

to have a good life and

the amount of life that you want

to enjoy is generally

commensurate with how much

work you're going to put in if you don't

want to work a second over

40 hours then that's fine don't

but then on

that you know the rest of those hours

and then on Saturday and Sunday don't complain

about the things that you can't do

because you ain't got the cash to do it

yeah like there's always

yeah

another young guy out there I was impressed with

Josh Sanders which I know he's been in here too

and his charter he built like

and I had you know met Josh

through Instagram a while back before you guys

had him on the podcast and he had

helped me because I had like the ugly Gen 4

Coyote cover for my Mustang

sorry the Gen 3 was super ugly

and I was like I'd like to use this Gen 4

you know came up with some billet adapters and he's

ended up selling a bunch of those but I've enjoyed

knowing him and so it was really cool to meet

him out there too and you know

he's got two little ones but he's got his wife

out there pulling the cover off the car and stuff

and it was like she is

yeah she was there we talked about

I told her

she was the favorite spouse of all time

on the oil whiskey podcast

I got to introduce her to my wife out there

and then I told her

funny story about that

you didn't introduce her to your wife

oh they met

like the night before

but I walk I almost like

so that was the second time I even told him

like this is about the second time I was screwed up

they're all sitting there talking to my wife was there

and I walk up and I was like this close to like

put my hand on her back

I thought it was my wife like there were in a sequin dress

and just quickly

that would have been so bad

would have been the worst way to follow up my life

it's so bad

but yeah I mean

Josh Sanders and his wife Sierra

they're doing it so awesome

they got new products coming out

door handles were fucking killer

the break line clamps that he talked about on the podcast

she is his absolute

biggest fan

and supportive in all ways

like you said they got two young kids

my wife and Jeremy's wife

met

Sierra the night the day of the party

so they're all getting their hair done at the same place

and just happened to be at the same place

I think Sierra overheard

like them talking about going to a party and whatever

and she's like this can't be

and then they talked

and you know

our wives gave her some

life advice about this industry

and not phase

not a problem whatever

Josh has got it, he's so talented

he's doing everything the right way

he's so nice

he's so humble and super talented

the Adams Customs Brothers

those dudes I don't know

where they're coming

they did sane speeding and stuff

they got to have like another 20 employees

that they're not telling anybody about

the quality of those trucks

and they bring three of them to SEMA

absolutely amazing right

well they're kind of

what I like about that is they're breaking that mold

like Josh was talking about

there were a lot of young guys that entered the industry

but the young guys

using like social media as a tool

for just showing like workmanship

never really getting anything done

these kids backing them up

backing them up

here's the finished truck

all three of the trucks that they brought

were in the top 40 of Battled Builders

we haven't done that

I know

we're all sitting here saying what nice

they're probably sitting back they're like

you believe those morons

we're kicking their ass

100%

but it's so

we've harked on it so much

but it is so refreshing

to see because we have seen

the wasteland

we've seen the desert of

the lack of interest from the youth

and then the ones that were interested

that were doing it for the wrong reasons

and think that you could just you know

DA some sheet metal and they all of a sudden

should win an award even though the car didn't get finished

and they missed this deadline and it didn't run

you gotta back it up

not only are these this group of guys backing

it up and I know we're missing people but those

were the K32

he's bringing a truck for next year that's gonna be a

banger but I'll tell you what's funny when you're

you know when you're up on

stage that we did this party and you're on stage

it's very difficult to like think

clearly and touch on everybody

you want to touch on right

so I was talking about the young guys and I missed

K32

I saw him afterwards and I was like dude

I apologize for that

and he's like you don't need to apologize

I should have done something that made you remember me

did he say that?

Logan Adkins

that's pretty cool

that's why I like you

he's doing it 100% the right way

and he's like taking his time doing this thing

he's building this new truck

I think he just posted some stuff

unless they're rendering a hood

just so we're giving everybody

he uh

the hood sheet mail stuff

all these guys

it

I felt like I was like a broken record

in repeating that at the SEMA show but

I'm so stoked about that

that's happening that's the direction

how old did it make you feel?

not that old

a little bit but not that old

well this is what

talking about SEMA and talking about the party

unfortunately you were not able to enjoy the party

you had to go home

you made the wiser decision

it was uh

let me tell you about a long night

in the late morning

I've got about a 72 hour limit on Vegas

and that was like pushing it

we've been out there for the whole time

11 days

we went back to the airport to get out of there

I can generally bring water bottles

through and stuff and I got random

so they took my water bottles away

and I was so mad I had to pay 16 bucks

for two water bottles for the flashlight

I can't take it anymore like

$8 water at Vegas airport

so this was

and Phil

Phil triggered the moment for me

but we're doing the party

the party was amazing

best party we've ever had

loved it

I made it a point that I was going to enjoy it

and it didn't happen still didn't get to do the thing

always there's too many things going on

changing that for next year

got to have somebody got to have some help

we're standing there the party's been amazing

right standing at the back standing next to Phil

and I tell him I was like

look at that line

everybody was up on the little dance floor

in between the

booths and we're going down the line

I'm like where is that

ever happened in the history of hot riding

right and we go down the line and you've got

Angie Johnson, Alan Johnson

Bobby Allaway, Bobby's wife

Cindy, Troy

you just go down the lines

the rings, they're all in a line

I mean

some of them could dance, most of them couldn't

dancing horribly right

absolutely living it up

having a great time

so

and then Phil tells me he's like hey

this is the time we probably

this is the time you stop and smell the roses

because we always talk about

somebody wish you would

wish somebody would have said these are the good old days

and so you had to look back at the good old days

so we're trying to do a better job

of like even if it's just

a minute

pause for a minute, take it in

then go back to looking at the next thing

so you pause for a minute and you're like

these are all the people

that we used to like

if you could just get a moment

right if you could just get a mention

if you could just get, even if he remembered you

the next show of who you were

like you're making something, they're dancing part

and now looking at all of the young guys

just right to the right that we've just given

all this recognition to rightfully so

about how they're building badass shit

and it was just this weird

like dichotomy and being in the middle

of like you could just pause

for a second and be like

wow what a

what a time it's like all flashes

like the 20 something 22 years

or more of being in the industry

like flashes through and you go back

to like the very first indie

and the very first good guys and stuff like that

these guys are killing it

like the young guys are killing it and it was

really really

probably one of the very coolest moments

I can remember in a long time

maybe we're doing it all wrong

because it took me like 15 years to get Bobby

out of it to shake my hand

same with Al Johnson and these

these kids showing up like couple years

maybe he didn't do anything

maybe he didn't do anything to make him remember you

just a couple times I know I did

well yeah he remembers

engine color

Bobby will never forget it

but then now he's painting a color engine color

engine that color

yeah he remembers

but it was really really cool

for us to be able to have

that broader spectrum

of customers

and some not customers

some enthusiasts and just that much

I was talking to Roger from Ironworks today

via text I mean via email and some stuff

and

really

from the bottom of our heart we like to have a good time

we absolutely want to build a brand

we absolutely want to sell more chassis

all that being said

we truly believe

in the health of the industry

and it continuing to propel

now half of that is completely selfish

because the industry is not working we're not in business

but at the same time it is the industry

that has made us

a living and what we've done

our entire lives and you do want

to see it thrive

and nonetheless

we know that we're not that good of people

we're bad people we tell

bad jokes we make fun of people

that we shouldn't make fun of we do bad things

so any time that you just

get a little bit of good that you feel like you're giving back

a little bit it

at least helps me sleep a little bit better at night

just glad to hear that

does it?

did I say anything that you disagree with?

eh

no

you just didn't like saying it

you just didn't like hearing it

being at SEMA

seeing all of these vehicles

can you

can you take it in and process it

like

compartmentalize things like I'm gonna come back

and see this I'm gonna go I'm gonna search this

or is it complete sensory overload the first time

I feel like it was overload

because you know the first day

I just run around trying to meet people that I want to meet

and I'm like got back to the hotel I'm like

gosh I didn't really look at that much stuff

so then day two I'm like I'm really gonna make an effort

to look at more stuff but then it's like

I mean I go by that ring brothers

ask them aren't I'm like just staring at it

I don't even know like I've watched like a 40 minute

YouTube on that car before

when I'm seeing it in person I'm just like

I'm just overwhelmed by it and you know

so it was cool hopefully next year

I'll have a better game plan

to take it all in

there any cars there

cars, parts, certain things that

inspired you for your Chevelle build

that you're doing now that you're hey that's

a badass steering wheel

those mirrors are really cool like the way he

made this spoiler use that part

I don't know that anything

I was really much looking even for like

Chevelle type stuff honestly because

like I'm so far from being

to like the finishing point of that I'm like

I'll be like next year looking for that

stuff because I'm just going so slow on this

just so much work for me and like people

like what color are you going to paint it I'm like I literally

haven't even considered a color because

I'm so far away from it like so

you know a lot of the parts that I'm going to need

in the near term I've already got

acquired you know in the main components like

the transmission of the engine and you know stuff

like the big parts that I'm going to need

so like the finer touches I really wasn't

even in the mindset I don't think I was looking for that

stuff too much

so your that was a whirlwind

of being there

I would ask how your wife handled that

but obviously you all kind of used to

do in the Disney thing right she planned

so she's down just like we're going to hit it

we're going to work it

she's such a supportive wife like

I mean like that's my biggest flex in life

is our relationship and how she is by

me and how she supports me and

so it was kind of funny she does Disney

travel on is like her she's retired school

teacher but she sells Disney travel now so we

go to Disney like three or four times a year and

originally our deal was I can build as many cars

as I want and you get as many Disney trips as you want

well now she's done so well

with the Disney business and build up her client base

that she's self funding like all of our

Disney trips a year so now I'm just building cars

that just increases the budget

about once a week or once every two weeks

I get on Instagram and I'm like hey

my wife's a Disney planner it's free

you know because Disney pays like if you

book your own Disney trip they charge you a

travel agent fee and just pocket it if you use

one of their affiliated travel planners

they pay her instead so is for the user

absolutely free and she does all the work for you

so I get on there in social media and I kind of

pimp her out and I'm like hey you know

she does everything is free and I you know

I take all her commissions for car parts so I

kind of you know help me help me you know

and so her business is really doing well with

that so it's actually kind of funny so she

was she was doing a car wife life

day in the life car wife life every day

we're there she made her own little video

for her Instagram and had a good time with

that and one day she got really creative

she's like I'm going to pretend like I met

her she's like oh there's the Paris tower

that's an Epcot and she's like okay we're going

on the monorail to the park because we rode

the monorail over to see him and then we're

coming down the stairs and she's like

this this doesn't look like Disney and then

she like got one of the vendor food vendors

she's like where do I get a Mickey pretzel

and the guy like just looked at her funny

so she had a good time with it so she

really liked it she's she's an awesome car

wife and we joke that the Chevelle

build is her car because my uncle Jim

has a 66 Chevelle it's black it's

a tractor and no matter what car I've ever built

she loves Uncle Jim Chevelle the most so

that's basically how I decided like this

we're going to get Chevelle I'm going to build it for Kim

now she doesn't drive manual transmission she has no

interest in driving any of these cars that

I spend the time building but she loves riding

with me so this is Chevelle's technically her

car so she's she's just super supportive

of you know what I like to do

and the car stuff so she was a great

to bring along to SEMA

well back to car stuff we finished up with

the Camaro right so then you finish

driving it you know you're having fun

how quickly are you thinking

about the next project are you

thinking about it while you're finishing the

Camaro pretty much really

yeah like you really do love

the build process I do love the build process

most people do and so I think I probably

had the Camaro done a couple months and I'm like

seriously looking for the Mustang

and I'm like okay this next one I want

I want to make it harder I want to paint it myself

you know so that was where I was going with that

and I found that 65 Mustang

that guy had done a lot of metal work so it was

in pretty good condition like a good

like first paint project for me

so I jumped into that and then it was like

up here's comes my collar but let's see what we

can do here on another chassis and

did the Mustang go as smooth as

the Camaro on the chassis install

well that Mustang chassis is a lot harder

installed simply because it wraps around those front frame rails

so like I said in the Camaro I probably had

the Camaro body on and off the chassis 10-15

times like the Camaro went

the Mustang went together once and then

plus you know I had a coyote in there so it's like

there's no there's no dropping the body

down over it it's like yeah get it and so I sectioned

out the firewall so I could kind of bring it in

a lower approach angle and I'm not

the firewall the courseport there coyotes

make everything so it you know and then

it took me three different oil pans before I got

the right one the fit the fit in there

and you know I had a lot of problems

but you know the great thing about

that was I learned enough on like planning

where everything needed to go on the Camaro

that I was able to like plan it all out

on the Mustang and only put it together once I didn't

need to take it back apart like on the Camaro

you know I drop it down okay now I gotta do the exhaust

let me pull it back up and see where I got room for stuff

like I had it all figured out ahead of time

so the learning curve on the Camaro certainly helped me

on the Mustang.

Yeah that's cool that that's the way we've

gotten over these there's certain cars like we always

treat it as there's sort of you mock

everything up chassis comes in and air

metal loosely assemble it you build

the whole car and then there's some cars

like we know if it's a

survivor Camaro survivor Mustang

survivor tri-five that chassis straight

to powder coat because we just you just

know the components you know what's involved

and it's more of an assembly

project than it is a fabrication

project but you live and learn

the

paint prep paint

process I followed along throughout that

paint process

what kind of

that's a completely different learning curve and a completely

different ball of wax that you're getting into

versus doing your first Fab

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that's not an easy thing to do

just like fix it even the painters

the experienced painters are still figuring it out

and I'm out there you know in

September in Alabama in a blow-up

booth in my driveway you know and I'm like

getting I'm getting up at two thirty

a.m. to start setting that booth up so I can

be spraying you know with a light on my head

and a light on the gun at four fifteen so I

can get this thing you know

well coming from experience

is no different than a pro painter in Alabama

there's nothing changes

as of the state

it's the temperature yeah

unless you've got it unless you've got an

air-conditioned shop in Alabama that's

when that's the time you're painting

we were just talking to Vinnie about that same thing

two thirty in the morning yep

he's in there painting but I will say you know

there's always a lot of negatives that people

talk about social media and I get some real

positives out of it one of them was with the paint shop

I'm struggling along with this car

and like I've never cut and buffed anything

I'm watching these videos on YouTube I'm like

I don't you know you don't know what you

don't know and I'm trying to do it I'm like

I want to screw this up and so I just kind

of got on Instagram one day I'm like I'm

you know I'm struggling here and cutting

this guy Dom down and making Georgia

Dom's Customs Dom and I

would have never crossed paths

in life we probably couldn't come from

two more different backgrounds

Dom sees what I'm doing and I'm struggling

and he messaged me he goes hey he's

he's a you know professional shop

he mainly does bikes but it's like I'm gonna

make a video I'm gonna cut and

buff this tank and I'm gonna make a video

he makes me like this 20 minute YouTube

video on every step of the way it is

so helpful I'm like man that was amazingly helpful

thank you so then I'm working on my hood

and I reach out to him like man I'm kind of

struggling this hood like this is what's

happening I'm sending video and he's like

because I'm gonna come over there and help

you so you know he gets in his car he

drives over three hours from making

Georgia Auburn Alabama to me he spends

like six hours working on my hood

going through everything step by

step show me how to do it I mean

in like the hands-on

step by step you know and he you know

we have me and my wife have lunch with

an amazing guy like amazing

the way he's helping me he don't know me

he don't want anything he don't need to pay him

I'm like hey let me pay you know you spend your whole day

come on he's like no man no I don't know

wait just go and so he goes home and then

as it turns out like

I just I don't think my

application on the clear was

good enough and you know I'm looking

at the car and I'm like if this was a

$30,000 bill this would be a good

first paint job but for the caliber of

build I'm trying to do this isn't good enough

I sent the car to Dom and he

re-scuffed the whole thing down and

redid it it looks beautiful

but it's like I've made this friend for

life now this guy that I never would

come out with just you know so it's like

I've had those positive experiences you know that

like kind of gives you faith in humanity

and stuff like that he's just such a good

guy and it's like you know now in the

Chevelle like I know I'm gonna get him

to help me like you know he's gonna

I'm gonna kind of get him to come be like my spray supervisor

or something like just like you know do it

right and do better the second time because

people like well you know because and it was hard

for me to admit like that failure because

like I take pride in doing everything myself

but I'm like you know I made a video I'm like it's

not good enough I'm sending it off and

this guy's gonna help me and that was

like a big you know gut punch to

myself to my pride of doing it all myself

but you know that's part of it too so

there's big big money spent

on professional paint jobs

that

have to be redone

right

it's you know it's a tricky

process that to do cars

like what we all do them

you're really not supposed to use any of

those materials to do that so

anybody trying to achieve

that look that finish

you're you're kind of pushing

all those materials out of their

comfort zone right and expecting

perfection and you want it the

perfection to like sustain

it's it's really

really difficult

ain't it's tricky stuff and

I'm like I can fly a jet around the world

easier than I can paint a car

I mean like much respect to the people

you know that's another thing just all these

trades and all these different things I mean like

the skill set that people have in different

industries and different trades and everything

it's it's impressive you know a lot of people

may look at me like oh my gosh your jet captain

how could you ever do that and I'm looking

at this guy like you can paint a beautiful car

how can you ever do that like

that's the first time in this garage

that's true that's true

you can deal with a shitty paint job

fair point

but what's even I mean not to glaze over

on the paint process

forget the application

and any of that kind of stuff once it's done

the the learning

and the training of your eye

of what to look for regardless if you know

how to do it up to this

point and how to fix it

knowing what you're looking for and

holding your head that right finding that right light

and seeing what you're looking for because a lot of

people once it's out of the gun

it's shiny it's a color and

it's shiny right

yeah I sort of wish I could go back

well that you know like if I can

ignorance is blessed yeah I'd love to undo

all the knowledge I have and now you can just

walk by it 20 feet whatever like

be back to like 12 years old and it's like

oh I like the blue one

shiny it's a muscle car it's shiny

shiny once that

once you start seeing that then you can't

sort of unsee it sort of runs the way you

look at cars runs you for life

but especially

after years of it and like you said

in the constant pursuit there's

never been like glass

perfect glass

the entire car ever

even we're out at that event in

Trump you're looking at that's a Bugatti

and that's the paint finish you get in a

three million dollar Bugatti yeah

you have to rub that thing out some more

right it's just but like

like you said that but even for I mean

for you to go to the step of like yeah

cutting it and buffing it

and I'm still looking at it and like the finish isn't right

there's so many customers

that have had you know multiple cars

you know literally I've

made the joke for years of the guy

there's always this customer

multiple times

that you're in the midst

of a big build with

and you know he's wanting everything

super nice right and he's talking about you know

he needs to be

on the caliber of these award-winning cars

when you debut at this show and I want

everything nice nice nice nice nice

nice and

enjoying the process

then you get a car dropped off that you haven't started on yet

you know when he shows up to the shop he's like oh man

that things phenomenal did you just guys

just paint that

we're about to strip that down that's the

worst paint job ever

but things slick to me

and now you're like man what is

we're fixing

we're fixing to go through

the gauntlet you know of

seven eight nine months

of rubbing out

the body work and then putting paint on

just to rub it all back off again

and you're like that looks good

drop it off it a little shy

in the afternoon yeah paint's tricky man

and then you see stuff like

I'm sure you you saw the gap

Corvette that was it in our booth

I mean that's

that just blows your mind

when you look at quality of paint

body work and finish

yeah like

probably and a fiberglass

car too I mean one of the

closest you can get to

perfection it's as close

as I've ever came to

repeating the

stupid customer comments

that you've always gotten

how many coats clear is that thing

that's the first time

where I'm kind of like man I want it

because it's got a lot of coats of clear

that's impressive

because it's got that wet

perfectly slick look

that's a great car to do it on too

the angles and

yeah paint is

that would

above everything else that you talked about

learning, researching, taking on

that was the one that I was most

surprised and I was

oh well

let's see how this ends up

that's hard

maybe I'll wrap the chabelle

so you have no color in mind

when you start one of these you don't

see the like

another vision

this body I got from these guys

it's got so many problems

I'm just like you know I've considered like

junking it and starting with another car

so it's like I feel so deep in it

right now that I literally haven't even

thought about it

how much more rust repair do you have

man I just

I've just been moving so slow on it

it's hard to even say

rocker's good on it

yeah the driver's side

rocker's got some rot at the bottom

I think I can section out the area

where the problem is though I've got

you know the piece at the house

I'm definitely

a little over my head on this one

front and back glass channels

all that's good

it's still got you know they covered

it up with

some primer and stuff I need to still get the thing down

to bare metal like I've kind of gone out of order

trying to get the mini I was trying to get the

mini tubs and the tunnel done before the

chassis showed up so I was there

and then I was going to take it all down because

then other things like my pace of progress is so slow

I'm like I don't want to take it out of bare metal yet because it's like

didn't get rusty while I'm

working on so I'm just kind of leaving what's on there

until I'm ready to get to that and

yeah just spot blast out the areas that

you're going to get to yeah so I'm

I'm on the struggle bus on this one but

I like the challenge and I'll get it

worked out you'd be surprised at how many

more followers you might get if you

hit that thing with 80 grid

on a DA and hit it with some Gibbs oil

and then a scuff pad and then take the right picture

like oh look at all the metal work I just did

look it's so slick

just take it exist like a clean part

the quarter like the middle of the quarter that's already

clean and do that

what motor and trans you running in the

Chevelle it's got a LT4

and the T56 got the carbon

T56 from Boller

scored you an LT4

Thomas took me up with that I don't know

how he sourced that

but he did me and then my buddy Dale

the 74 Bronco right there

that's in my picture with the Mustang

he's built in a 63 split window now

and so he's doing an LT4 for that so

Thomas came up with both of those

that's awesome

yeah that would be a nice little combo

on there that LT4

that's another step up

when you talk about

the challenges

and what you learn and you got plumbing

and heat exchangers and pumps

and things that's

you're certainly not

bashful about

stepping up for a challenge

I feel like the experience of the other cars

is giving me confidence that I can figure it out

you know and I know there'll be some

frustrations and I feel like I also

like building other cars I've learned

just to walk away you know and not

lose my mind in the garage there and just come back

the next day at it fresh so

definitely learning some more patience and getting more

confidence and the ability to work out issues

on the LT4

this is a

long tie-in but I'll get there

so tie-in talking about

HP tuners right

HP tuners great

you're going to need

HP tuners on that LT4

just to get that

just to get that throttle and that tip

in exactly where you're going to want it at

HP tuners are going to come in key

HP tuners was also key

in making the party happen

at SEMA

funny tie-in

with Auburn

Andrew from HP tuners

actually got a start down there at APR

down there in Auburn so

it's a tie-in

around the circle there

no I did not

I knew of APR and we bought parts

from them way back in the day

when I was in the import thing

for a lot of S4 parts and stuff like that

when you could make an S4 just

a fucking rocket ship

what's an S4?

Audi S4

tune downpipes

exhaust

and

cool cars

but

we've got the connections with HP tuners

you're going to need that

LT4 is tricky when you get into the tuning

probably much better

when a manual trans is behind it

it's a different animal

and to get them to behave

and get the throttle response out of them

like you'd like to see in an LS

it's a fight but when you get it

it's great

I used like a HP tuner

376 in the Camaro

and then I used a remote tuning

like PCM in North Carolina

they did it for me

that's the thing

I don't have the knowledge base of doing the tuning

so that's not something I'm going to mess with

so I'm going to find somebody that can help me

you've got to know

what you should mess with and what you shouldn't

and the tuning is 100%

so there's enough good guys out there

you've got to reach out

we bring it up more on the LT4

drivability tune

it just makes the vehicle that much better

LT4 has benefit from it a lot

especially if you're coming from

a knowledge base from the LS

and the feel of that

low end ass

and that little bit of tip in where

you can move the throttle

that, I'm saying that

watch me to see

you know what I'm talking about

there's that little bit and then the car does something

where if you do that

in an LT4

it's either dead or keeps going

it doesn't do anything

and then it does something

and you're like this is not right

and it can get really really good

those things wind up

surprisingly for

little drama

they start moving on you

pretty quick

alright

we talked about the Chevelle

we talked about what's going on with the Chevelle

you know what's crazy timing

I wanted to take credit for him

take credit for it today

but Scott came in a little early

Irvin gave him a great tour

he went over to Island Lake

and just look what happened to be

being assembled at the same time that he was there

that was his Chevelle chassis

good timing

that was really neat to see it in that stage

told him it would, that would have been a smart thing

had we staged it

had we planned it

because I thought about it

prior to SEMA

and 100% just

lost sight of it

with everything to do with SEMA

and then I saw your little video

and you're talking to Josh

assembling it and like

holy shit that worked out great

but then I had to tell him

that was just luck

but I was expecting the

chassis delivery in early December

and now I find out it's going to be next week

we can hold it

sometimes you get those

happy surprises

I think that chassis delivery thing is key

to sort of preparing you

and testing you for building a car

I've always found like I pride myself

on being able to do

things myself

that would usually take lots of people

to sort of either move it

or figure it out and getting a chassis

in a 15 foot long crate

with some pounds out of the back of the truck

if you're resourceful enough to figure that out

and get creative

that's what car building is all about

there's been a rare

couple of instances

over the past several years

where a customer has called

at the point of

the truck is here

and they had no plan

and they don't know what to do

that I've contemplated

maybe go ahead and tell him to just bring it on back

you're going to have problems along the way

maybe this box ain't for you

you know

and it was literally

well meaning we worked through it

but it's funny the surprise

when it's like

oh I had no idea it was going to be so big

well it's

you know how big your car is

it's the same size as your car

it's just the underneath side

but the surprise of

well what do I do

so just tell him to bring it with a liftgate

well there's not a liftgate that exists

that's going to help you with the chassis

I had a similar thing

with the four post and the two post list

were coming but I managed to build those myself

and get them in there

so it's a little bit smaller than the car

obviously but

yeah those are a challenge too

until you figure out the

all right

get this crate in this way

and stack it up

I got that little nine foot ceiling in my basement garage

so Ben Pack makes like a

two post lift made for nine foot ceilings

and there's you know maybe an inch and a half

the thing well that top post

has got all the hydraulics and it's super heavy

and I was like man it's going to be really hard to get this up there

and you can't lift it from above because it's all the way at the ceiling

so my wife and I also have like a college

group of students we do some mentoring with

and stuff and at the time we had a kid that was on the football team Ryan

and he was an Auburn offensive lineman

320 pounds and I said hey man

can you bring one of your linemen buddies over here

I'm going to lift this thing up with my engine hoist

as high as I can get it and then I'm going to need you guys to

like get the last two feet up there

so he shows up him and another

Auburn offensive lineman you know we got

650 pounds of meat down there

they put it on their shoulder they get on the

ladders and they put it on their shoulder

and my six foot you know aluminum ladder

just starts bowing

and it wasn't happening so it ended up taking

four of us to get the thing up there but that was like

the biggest obstacle

and put one of those things together so far

you know in Alabama fan you could call it one offensive lineman

he would have done it

you can't

you can't not do it

I've been biting my tongue for an hour

it's just the way it is

we already talked about the kick six

downstairs

we haven't had a positive Auburn football moment in

almost a decade

I didn't go fully into it but I did tell them

your

zero interest in sports

until it's Alabama losing

and then

the level of

excitement

and then also the

he doesn't know hardly any

he doesn't know a lot about sports

Phil knows enough

but then his way of screwing

with me is to act like he knows nothing

and it's always

hey man

I just happened to be watching that Alabama

Auburn game so the

big thing

so if they return it back

and that's wild

I guess you guys just lose the game then

because they got that

did they not tackle him or are you not supposed to tackle him

it looks like nobody tried to stop him

and he just ran it back

and that's wild I've never seen anything like that

even the announcer said they've never seen a loss

like that

dude shut up

I hate you

it was

we weren't through the hole

it's got nose Alabama Auburn thing

we can't not

when opportunity arises you have to do it

it's duty and I mean like I probably enjoy

Alabama losing more than I enjoy

Auburn winning

it goes both ways

you're a lot happier lately

yeah

we got to watch the football game

where they took the W

we watched Alabama LSU

in Vegas at the sports book

it was a fun time

I'm sure you had a great time

they scored a bunch of points and shit

we had a good time

we ordered some food we had some drinks

it was the experience

yeah it was the camaraderie

threw the pig skin around a little bit

it was stupid

we got to watch World Series

World Series was actually cool

we did what it was pretty good

last games

watching sports in a sports book

is as one

redeeming quality of Vegas

it's always makes

when it's a big game

that atmosphere it's a fun time

so we went through SEMA

we went through the Chevelle build

you're probably not deep enough

in to be thinking about what the next build is yet

are you

it's Chevelle

everybody asked me that I'm like man I haven't even thought about the color yet

what's the next build

I will say

that Gen 3 Camaro chassis

and the Fox Body chassis is something that really

I think I told you

but like my best friend in high school growing up

at one time

this is one of my first car but had a 91LX 5.0

Fox Body

and he had a 90 Camaro RS red

and we're still best friends

we've been best friends since 3rd grade

and it's like how cool would it be

for us to do both build them

and stuff and he's got his dad's

you know his dad had and we were in high school

and he'd sneak it out and stuff

and some years later my buddy's taking ownership of it

and done restoration on it

so he's a car guy too

I'm like it'd be pretty cool man if we

recreated our high school years

and had a Roadster Shop Fox Body

and a Roadster Shop Gen 3 Camaro

and what part of Georgia you grew up

I grew up in Dunwoody north of Atlanta

and that was

what year did you graduate high school

92

I did a lot of round in Dunwoody

I did a shambly

where's Columbus at

Columbus Georgia

not anywhere near Atlanta

Columbus is about like 50 south southeast

of Atlanta maybe

I kind of live in Auburn Alabama about 80 miles

down the road from Atlanta I'm probably

like 30-40 minutes from Columbus

that's where my buddy Mixers from

oh that's right

they put that $100 bill on the dashboard

another Fox Body

luckily

me and Jeremy met probably

me and Jeremy Phil met probably

16 years ago, 17 years ago

and

very quickly

they'd always make fun of me from being from the south

but very quickly I realized that

Jeremy in particular picked up on

some southern things

that he shouldn't have

inside

so one of his best friends in high school moved

up here to go to high school

in Columbus Georgia

and he starts telling me I'm like oh

dude, yeah, the freight hat

and the explorer on the thornbirds

you got an inside track

of that era

of Georgia that most people don't

so he knows

you whisper

you've watched the gorillas

from afar so to speak

that you shouldn't

most people don't have that inside knowledge

we'll look behind the curtains

and see

he's lost

he's a little polished

well it comes to

standard question time

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HRE

a lot of HREs

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a lot of HREs

yeah, I mean obviously got a big presence out there

yeah

first up

we're going to go first up

we'll just get straight into car

so he graduated

high school in 92

in Dunwoody Georgia

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your first car

you bought

or was a gift

but I should probably qualify it

my dad might have a sister that's two years older than me

this was about

I got my license in 90

my dad had an 82 Honda

cord he said you and your sister can share

this car or you can get a job

and you can buy a car you want

so the summers I was 13, 14

and 15

grandfather was a plumbing contractor

new house construction in Colorado

summers I was 13, 14 and 15

my mom shipped me out to grandpa's house

to save money to buy a car

so I bought a car

because I wasn't willing to drive the 82 Honda

cord

that's telling

you hinted at it

no it wasn't my car

that was my second car

this is Josh this should be on you

this is your territory

this is your time frame

it's a little early for me

I'll be honest with you not that he

like a couple years off

did I got my license in what 96, 97

was the Ford probe out yet

no 94

was the first year I think 94

the earlier Jen was at that point

but he's not going after no probe

that's a

you gotta be a means to be able to get a probe

GT

how did you go like what was your

was your kind of vibe back then

when you guys like riding down to Panama City

to roll down the strip

on the weekends were you hanging around

town like

just kind of hanging around town

Stone Mountain cruising

that's funny we weren't cruisers

really

that's a

my wife likes to claim that Dunwoody is not

the south I'm not really from the south

well I know

I wasn't

I mean

not Buckhead or Roswell but it's close

I'm going to just say the first thing that comes to mind

and I see it as a two wheel drive

step side Ford Ranger with a five speed

it's

no it's just

that's fine

I had no frame or reference you didn't want to drive the Honda

Cord you said the Honda

Cord was what year it was an 82

82

maybe blue five speed

this was

I'm going with

three series BMW

that's just my pick

I mean if I still have this car

I could buy one of your chassis for it

way off

I'm going to go square body truck

no square body is not

they're not bringing that kind of maybe base frame

base price entry level

um

I stand by

my statement it's obviously wrong but

alright that's our guesses

it was a 67 Mustang convertible

red 289 three speed

really

classic car

that's

probably about as far as we've missed

I wasn't expecting that

we've been off for what this is

almost a full month off

I just was not expecting you know

so what just because it was a muscle car

was convertible what's the draw

at 16

well this will kind of like tie into the police

story if you're

let's go right to it

the best buddy that had

that ended up having the Camaro

when we were about 13 years old

his mom had a 69 Mustang Mach 1

351 that sat in the

she bought it new you know so this was like

13 we were 87 ish

we would sit out in that car in his parents garage

and that was the car that he was supposed to have

you know and that was going to be his car when he was 16

and that just got me into Mustangs

because that was like there weren't like muscle cars around

none of my friends

none of my friends parents

had muscle cars or anything like that I had no exposure to that

so I was kind of had this exposure to the Mustang

we would sit inside the garage in the dark

in the Mustang you'd be like hey how can we drive this

or 16 it's cool so that got me into Mustangs

and then when I started working when I was 13

that's what I was working for I wanted to find

an old classic Mustang to buy so we bought that thing

for $5,000 and

you know about 89 I was 15 when I bought it

and uh

wow

it wasn't that old of a car

no you know

it seemed like it was old at the time

but it really wasn't

we've talked about that

we've talked about a bunch here lately

is the

when we were in high school what we looked at

is you know 67, 68, 69

Mustang, Camaro

seemed so classic

um

I used the example of a 90

a 95

you know Honda Civic

or 94 Camaro

holy shit it doesn't seem

like that old

check the math but like in high school

I had 69

Camaro but you think of the age

like think about how old a Model A Ford was

like today

the Model A Ford

is probably as old

as what that 69 Camaro was

right

yeah cause that's like 50 years ago

56 years ago

if you think about that gap

from 90 you'd have been

call it 60 years

30 yet that's it

that's what

that's a primitive automobile

but if you take a Model A

and a 69 Camaro

they look like they're 100 years apart

right but now you look

at like a car that was

30 years old today

like an OBS pickup

it's just a truck

it's a used truck

it's got cupholders

I remember all the things like

we're getting old man

well since you brought it up

perfect segue

the most memorable

law enforcement interaction story

I don't have a lot but we'll set this up

so my buddy that we were sitting in his car

a dream about him driving that Mustang

his birthday was December so he was like the first one

in the friend group to get his driver's license

so December 6th his birthday he gets his driver's license

I don't know about December 8th

or so my parents are driving me home

from work and I pass

this fence off the side

of the road and my buddy and his dad are over there fixing

the fence

not their yard

what's going on here man and so

his dad had like a Caprice classic

at the time that the second day my buddy

had his license he managed to leave the road

and go through this fence

so now they've decided that

he's not driving this 69

Mustang because it's you know

family family car and they don't want to mess it up

so I don't remember the exact

timeline but you know maybe a couple days maybe

a week later he comes rolling and we know

this is for cell phones or anything so he comes

rolling into my driveway in a brand new

red 90 Camaro RST

Thompson I'm like so you

you wrecked the Caprice on day 2

good play now you have a brand new

Camaro like perfect okay

so and this guy drove like a maniac

he ended up becoming an Air Force

fighter pilot at 16 you know war guy

you know he's he's

been a good you know one day after Veterans

day to day but he's been you know good 25

years in the Air Force flying fighters around

and he drove that Camaro hats off to him

he was he was meant to be that

Air Force fighter pilot after driving this

Camaro so anyways

we're driving around just on a Friday night

or something and he's you know

when 35 mile per hour zone road

and he just loved passing people in

left lane you know and we're going about

80 I'm in the back seat of that Camaro

one seat head to head

all of a sudden the blue lights and he's

80 90 maybe in a 35

and we're head to head with the blue lights

so he ducks around and you know we had

a lot of separation speed on that

on that cruiser so by time he got

turned around we ducked into a neighborhood

and pulled into a driveway and we're never seen again

you know and of course that story

propagated by the time we got back to our

friends that you know Steve outran the cops

and all this and that's a little mile chase

you know

I just think they were shooting it

yeah we really just went up one hard

quarter ducked into a neighborhood and pulled

into the driveway cut out the lights and sat there for like

30 minutes never miss a good legend

yeah so you know that was probably the most

memorable police experience

I don't have many to draw from them but that was

a fun one and you know thinking about him

wrecking that car through the you know

the fence on the side of the road is pretty

funny it's wild you think

back I was having this discussion with

my wife the other day we were talking about

my son's 19

doing really really good

very became very responsible now

we had

he probably should have been a

fighter pilot

definitely that

level of speed

speed adrenaline rush

you know unfortunately took a lot

after me where it's

the answer to everything is what's the worst

can happen right it's just

hey we woke up today

we're going to live this life let's live it

right let's live it all the way

let's put it on the Rev limit

we were talking

I remember back being

in that era right it's funny

and you guys remember this too

the vast

difference in

mindsets within minutes

of the

we are having the night of our lives we are

untouchable

we are going to prison for the rest

of our lives and neither one

of them were true extremes

I mean the music's up

and you're cruising down the road

and something stupid happens

and you think that this is the funniest thing ever

and nothing can touch you

to all of a sudden

feeling like you're running for your life

and if you are caught

that

that mooning

or that chunking of a bottle rocket

all of a sudden you're going to federal

for the absolute rest of your life

and do you remember that

weak feeling

it's like you're jumping

it's like in your dreams

or when you're fighting somebody in your dreams

you remember that running away from something

as a kid

the lightness

but running

running scared

in your mind

there was like nothing you couldn't do

10 foot fence no problem I'll jump it

one leap

and then you get back

so my pants are ripped I'm bleeding

and then the adrenaline

does not matter but it's funny

in one instance

it could be the time of your life

and then you're just like

if we can just get out of this

I'll never do anything stupid

and then the next night you're like

ah it wasn't that bad we got away with it

it's funny

the young teenage boys mind

that

yep we're just getting into that at 14

we'll see how that goes

and that's fun times

my son got pulled over yesterday

well that was driving what

driving his go kart

really in the neighborhood

segway electric go kart

it's not that fast

it's on road only

gets pulled over by a county sheriff

calls for backup

second car comes

out read him the riot act

that he's going to jail

they could impound his go kart

he's never gonna get it back

he was crying

verge of tears he's 11 years old

scared the shit out of him

like what were you doing that was just driving

just down the road going to a friend's house

it's down the street

they said like three of the streets are private roads

so you could drive on that but the one he was on

it's not so

just how about a hey baby keep it over

just late county

if I hope

these two cops are living that's fucking

that's stupid

that's so dumb

we've had so many great stories

of people doing dumb stuff

and it takes that right cop to be like

hey you're doing something stupid

you know you're doing something stupid

this is you know

go home be safe

a kid on a go kart

a miniature go kart

go off roads like he's not tearing up

anything in a neighborhood

yeah that's stupid

yeah I didn't know that

honestly pisses me off

that's really stupid

you got

let's have high crime over there in your neighborhood

the trolling like that

I think it was the biggest bust of the month

of course

alright music

in that

Mustang

at that point

tape

it's a tape

I had

the CD player with the thing that went into the

tape deck

with the anti-skip protection

yeah

guns and roses

destruction

yeah that's a good one

and I'm still listening to the same stuff

in my new

Mustang

when you find something

you go stick with it

I went back to the

there was a while

people that are going to be purists

are going to hate this album

but Metallica's black

I love that

the other day I got on Spotify

just for some reason it came up and it was like

oh yeah absolutely

I just ran through it like three times

I mean who doesn't like that

that's a good album

the whole thing that was

too trendy and mainstream

maybe I'm speaking out of turn

but I remember there was controversy around

that album

alright next up

we're going to deviate a little bit and then we'll go back

on track

two questions one

the best piece of advice that you could give

somebody that's never been to SEMA before

that's going to go next year

and then second

best piece of advice you could give to somebody

that you could start a new car project

that's never built one before

the best piece of advice

I got for SEMA was good shoes

but I would say

dive into that app

and look and see what you want to see

and kind of have a plan for what you want to see the best you can

because as a pilot of mine

I'm used to like directionally figuring stuff out

that app pissed me off man

you would just hit the building

and I'm sure you guys probably need to use the app

you just know where to go

you know what and bring up North Hall

but it was like no inclination

to what position you were standing in

I can't tell

where I'm going on this thing

you need the old you are here

so I'm like and then you have to like back out of it

to put in another I'm like okay well there's this booth right here

and then I gotta back out of it and type that name in

and okay now I find out where I'm in

so that kind of takes me off but

you know having a better plan of what I want to see

probably would have been smarter

but I don't even know if it's possible because there's just so much of

everything

that's an interesting idea you almost need the whole floor plan

so I was going to tie into like the actual

GPS

and then you could at least map it beforehand be like this booth

this booth this booth this booth and then draw

your own like all right

you could put your favorites in there like I had the

roaster shop booth marked and you know some other stuff I wanted

to see and it show me where it is in the building

but then it's like I don't know which way I'm right

the building that's throughout

and I would say you know best piece of advice for somebody

planning a build is like do your research

you know I'm a big researcher

ahead of time to know what I'm getting into you know

that's another thing you know I get a lot of hate

I won't when I won't disclose cost

on stuff because people are like oh you're

gatekeeping that information whatever and I'm like

if you can't figure out

the cost for yourself you don't need to be

undertaking this build I'm like every freaking

option you guys offer is very

clearly laid out how much it costs

everyone 30 seconds to go

yeah yeah so I'm like you know get

you know do your research have a plan

and be ready to make mistakes

be ready to like take

failure you know be ready to like

accept that things are gonna get screwed up

you're gonna have to do them over again you know

like it's a hard process it's not

you know and I don't probably I probably

don't show enough of my screw ups I could easily do

an outtake of me like screwing

stuff up and cursing and stuff but I just

don't you know I don't want to present that

but I could know the positivity that

you put through with everything and

you know little words wisdom the Bible

verses and even the way you go through stuff

it does if that's

part of the secret to your success and it's

part of the

lowering that barrier

to entry where it's kind of like

yeah well I know this

dude's you know probably had some hard

times but he's still super happy and

he's telling me about all the good stuff

whatever so if if you were

I mean we've seen those words just like

you know the

sometimes doing it for click bait and

just doing it because you know they're just

showing the real but the dude's got his

hands in his heads it's sitting there at the

back of the car this might be it guys

I'm not going to be able to finish I'm

quitting it's just now I'm not cut out for

this then somebody comes across that but

you know like oh I don't want to feel

like that I don't look like that like

maybe this whole thing isn't for me the

positivity I think is a huge

part of of your success and it's huge

part of what you do for for the

industry of making people

think about it and do their own research to get into

it and do it I just want to encourage others

to do the best with what they have available

and like I don't feel like I have any

special skill set I'm just you know willing

to try and you know

can on the financial side of it I'm

able to spend more than a lot of people are

on their project cars but that doesn't mean

that my cars be better or anything it's

just like get in there and try do the

best you can enjoy and enjoy it you know

like that it's hard to verbalize

the satisfaction of driving those cars

after I put all that work into them you know

and so it's like I want to try

to relay that what I can yeah

on the on the research side

of things you said everybody do the research

how how did you start off

and how have you changed the process

now to try and weed through

the BS and know

what's legit

feedback or

we all know that the internet you search one

thing you have 17 different opinions on it

like what's your process

for weeding through that what was it like then

and what is it now you know I would

say probably my big

biggest that crutches my buddy Matt down

there in Auburn that's my engineer buddy is so smart

because you know anytime I bounce

something off him he's just smart enough to be like

you know this is the way to go or check this out

or let me look at this you know and like an example

of it's like when we first met I was

having a problem with like a vibration in my Cobra exhaust

pipe and I'm up there like looking up where it

connects up with the collector and stuff and he comes over

and he just hits it at the back of it

and he's like hearing the vibration

he's like you know coming right to

the midpoint of the pipe where the issue was

where it was like an attachment bracket and I'm like

I don't even think that way man and so it's like

you know I've got you know people

around that I trust in their judgment

so I kind of rely on on that judgment

and don't try to figure it out all out myself at times

let's see next up standard questions

we're going at

all kinds that we can pull from now we got

what else faster right

going back to car movie where we what else we got

I mean we got to do car movie

favorite car movie

I'm probably a Ford vs Ferrari

okay I'm always been a fan

of Matt Damon and he ended up on my flight

a while back and I got to meet him

you know they brought him up they bring like

people like that up to the jetway door

and the driver came up and he's like hey

hey is it plain clean we got a VIP

we're going to bring up I'm like who's down there

he's like Matt Damon I'm like

I think he's cool man I'm like can I go down

talk to him he goes oh yeah he's real nice

just go knock on the window so I just knocked

the window I'm like hey I'm Scott I'm your captain

we were flying about to Albuquerque and they were

filming that Albuquerque that Oppenheimer movie

and I was like I'm shocked he's flying

airline in the first place but we talked

for like five minutes and he was as cool

as you would hope he would be like he was

just so freaking nice and then I was like

alright Mr. Damon the plane's ready for you

I'll get your bag he's like nah don't be

ridiculous man I carry my own bag upstairs

too I'm shocked but like it was cool so

and then and then I after the fact I'm like

oh my god I didn't even like talk to about

Fort Burst Ferrari it was like you know my

favorite movie and I'm like I stumbled it

you know I was talking about some other stuff

but and he was just so nice there all the

whole crew because he was the first person

on the airplane and it was it was actually

we were still wearing masks and so he had

his you know ball cap on and his mask

on in first class I'm like I met the

person next to him didn't even know it

was him you probably like that yeah

Stallone

I mean gonna ask that I mean

Bert Reynolds drove a stock car on a chicken

outfit how can you beat that in stroke

race

I mean I mean I told Jeremy

you know I think I mailed some about it

but like I feel like Bert always had better

looking leading ladies also so I did say

that yeah

he married one and I won the battle that

I think Stallone won the war like

look at in the end

like Stallone's wife second wife I

understand that

it's to bring up some of the Vegas

yeah yeah let's

we should we'll go there just stats

statistics yeah I

this might help your case

I don't think it I don't think it does you don't

okay because we were walking through and they have you know the

like memorabilia

store in Caesars and it's just autographed

pictures and boxing gloves

and basketballs and everything

up for it there is

two autographed pictures of Rocky

and a pair of boxing gloves

I grabbed your like hey let's

walk through here while Josh is on the phone

and let's count how many Sylvester Stallone

pieces of memorabilia there are and

Bert Reynolds final

total it's 13

Stallone and how many

Bert Reynolds I can't remember

if it was it was zero

none there's none at all

those it was from you would say predominantly

or only Stallone

it yeah heavy

and still so this would be the same place

that also sells

size replicas of predator

no the transformers

nope it's the same place it's the same same mall

different so for people go to buy

extravagant worthless things

right that's you know that

that's a political response you sound like

Evan Newsom answering like why

his remodel cost 150

billion and Trump's so the same

the same place you can honestly

the same place you can buy a nine

foot golden eagle right

or a movie

quality predator replica

so basically a lot of things

that nobody really needs or wants

that you just go look at is the one

it's the one it's the one

place you can find any

Bert Reynolds stuff interesting there is a different

angle you should have taken but you just hit

I'm not going to give that he's got five I was

thinking you were making the point that

Stallone was forced to sign all those things because

he didn't have the success

that's a good point

that's valid

you could have gone with

they were sold out because everybody bought all the

stuff oh no Bert doesn't play in those

games Bert made his money he doesn't

you know what other games he doesn't play in

he doesn't play in slot machines because we went

to multiple casinos that had rocky slot

machines I did not see a single

he's bounding down slot machines

I know that wasn't there either

Bert's a legitimate

actor he was right legitimate

he doesn't play he doesn't play in the like

the novelty area stuff you don't make

you don't make

you don't make slot machines on

you know on

John Wayne you know Francis

Ford Coppola you know people like that

world world renowned

you know for further film

achievements

it's it's it's the Wheel of Fortune

and Pac-Man and

Stallone another like cartoon like characters

it's not

has there been any age correlation

between like maybe like older people

younger people like Stallone

a little bit but you get

you get some wild cards

it's

it definitely I will say I mean

it leans towards

Bert Reynolds there's probably more

Bert Reynolds when you're comparing

the two of them but the the rocky fans

Stallone fans they come in die hard

they won't die hard

are you put

Bert Reynolds in the

ring with Stallone

in his in his peak

physique of rocky four

Bert Reynolds is going out on a fucking stretcher

dude

on a stretcher no he's gonna go out

Apollo Creed level

in yeah

Bert had four inches on him and played

football

he got a scholarship to play football

reach advantage on Ivan Drago

what happened there

the way you can mix

like real life in a movie

as it's real life doesn't matter

there's been a big

Rambo playback on

A&E regularly as I'm flipping through

so I always have to watch

seven minutes before it goes to commercial break

I'll come back to this and then forget

yeah no I just don't want to sit through a commercial

um

is the only one that can shoot a bow and arrow

that makes rocket noises

yeah I know if you ever saw that

I have seen it

I'd like to

I think Bow and Lou Duke could do that also

yeah yeah

Stallone shot down a Russian helicopter

with a bow and arrow

did Bert

I think we can all agree on this

can we all at least agree on this

that John Rambo

in Rambo First Blood

as a character

dominates

any

Bert Reynolds character in hand to hand combat

okay I'll give you that

okay I can also say

and this is again this doesn't make the winner of the loss

the

the segment that we played of

Stallone singing

Drinking Stein

in the Dolly Parton movie

I know listen I'll let you get

we have to agree that that

has to be not even between

Stallone and Bert that has to be one of the

worst moments of any

actor's career ever

something that you if you had Stallone's money

I would scrub it from the

existence of the internet

that is one of you have to agree that's

embarrassing

it's an embarrassing

embarrassing piece I'm not going to defend it

it's not good

it makes the nude photo

shoot on the bearskin rug

nothing

that might have been the motivation for the

it's not how hard you hit

it's how hard you get hit

that's a pretty big hit

it was he just decided to do that hit

after he said the thing

um

so that's your

pro-Bert right I mean

everybody generally is

that's fine

I would stay in the saddle just like you too

I respect that

for not giving up

I mean honestly I like them both

that's the reason that the question is so good

I wanted to try to come up with something original

with Stroke Race or something versus all the other answers

Stroke Race was a good movie

um

they both have such passionate fan bases and they both

um

they're both great

as a person

the one thing that

Bert wins

the one thing that I don't think has ever been touched on

is that the

77

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when you look at who wore it best

or who wore it first

who wore it first

Bert was first

give me the year that

77 because the car hadn't come out yet

it launched in the movie

79

you're sure

every vehicle

I sounded sure didn't I

I don't think so

Rocky 1 looks like an older

film than

smoking the

I didn't want to have to do this

what was he driving in Rocky 3 when they had like a Lamborghini Jalper

or something

horrible

that crosses off

when he fires that thing up and backs out of there

after he hears about

what happened to Apollo

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77

See always following in Stallone's footsteps, right?

Trying to one up and look at.

OK, look at the look at that.

Look those funky jeans.

The funk is Wrangler's.

That's the careful.

Before you piss off, little baggy for Wrangler's.

You know why I don't have to tell you where you're going.

I don't have to tell you where you're going.

But look at, dude, the fucking Tiger jacket

with the fedora and the leather tough guy gloves.

Pull it up. Stallone.

Transam Rocky.

That's not the best look.

You look like a goober in that.

I disagree.

You told me I couldn't wear a fedora.

I know you said anybody.

You actually said I tried to encourage you to wear it.

You said anybody that wears a door so we can have a look.

I want to see those at some point, side by side.

You you're the worst Googling is like it.

It's like there was like an 85 year old woman Googling.

It's it's easy.

It comes right up right there.

Actor.

Hat guy in Rocky one, dude.

He wore a fedora and a bunch of different things.

You want to see him with the whole look.

The.

Tiger jacket.

That's not the tiger jacket.

The tiger jacket.

You're not going to find that in the tough guy gloves.

Yes, you will.

It's a popular.

It's one of the most popular films ever made.

You make some statements.

Oh my God.

Damn.

Oh yeah, you're right.

That's super cool.

The one right there up into your kind of center over to the right.

One over.

Look at that.

Man.

All right.

Here's my question.

If.

If you.

Yeah.

Or anybody, anybody.

I don't care if it was just I'm going to go with you though.

If you were to show up wearing that entire outfit tomorrow.

Anywhere.

Would.

Do you think more people would say something about that versus you or me or anybody wearing

a red shirt and blue Wranglers who looks more like a like a cartoon character,

like a figment, like something that's not real.

I'll tell you right now.

I show up wearing that.

Nobody's saying shit.

I guarantee that.

Guarantee it.

It's it's fictitious.

That's fake because nobody dressed dresses or dressed like that.

I could totally see both of you wearing that.

Yeah, but we're bad ass.

No, he looks like he looks, you know who he looks like Rocky Balboa.

No, he could have been in Greece.

Like he looks like he's dressing up like that.

Yeah, it's that's like a motorcycle costume.

We had an employee that used to wear one of those.

That's that's what that is.

That's a tough guy costume.

You called him tough guy gloves.

Yeah, it's a costume.

It's not.

Nobody ever has dressed.

You've never met anybody that's dressed like that.

I've also never met anybody's bad ass.

Have you ever met anybody that's dressed like that?

Yeah.

Pretty much everybody that goes to this little country bar down the street that

looks like a jackass blow that up.

Get closer in on it so we can.

That's a movie poster.

I don't want to see the movie poster that's staged.

I want to see it in its like natural environment.

Oh, you're right.

Yeah, that's that's not cool.

That's not cool at all.

I don't.

Here's what I want to say.

No, no, no.

Talk about cool.

I want you to put on the side of your raptor.

I want you to put bandit.

Okay.

Under the door.

And I want you to roll up with your pink shirt with the sleeves.

Roll up thread.

Harry S arms and a cowboy hat like that and throw a little peace sign

like that and tell me if that's cool.

I'm telling you what now looking at this picture right here.

Looking at this picture and everything about him with the hat

included.

I don't want I didn't want to have to go here.

This is my silver bullet.

This is my silver bullet and we can edit this out if this is

going too far.

Okay.

That's more Neil than the other one.

That right there is your dad so with the cowboy hat and all

the coolness and everything.

He's that fucking badass.

It's a similar look, but I'll also say this.

I always thought that like Rocky for when he's thinking

toward the end of Rocky for when he's dressed up.

Okay.

Just like my old man.

Okay.

Like he used to wear.

I see that.

Dressed up part.

Almost spitting image.

Yeah, but this most of the time.

Yeah.

The hat.

The fucking wranglers.

He had one of those.

It's Charlie one horse.

I did the argument continues.

There's nobody sitting there.

There isn't a victory tonight.

It has not been settled.

That's right.

Now this, I mean, I'm not sure you guys are ever going to

settle this one.

I don't think so.

Probably not.

People are just going to stop listening.

No, this is like a thing people like.

It's just the fan favorite.

There's so many good comparison.

You put that up against Lincoln Hawks rig.

I know over the top.

Yeah.

And this one's better.

The trailer.

Yeah.

The trailer for sure.

All right.

Last but not least.

We asked about advice on SEMA and car builds.

What's the best piece of advice that you have ever

received?

My dad, a million times squeaky wheel gets the grease.

That was his words to live by.

So good.

It's true.

Yeah, we talk about it all the time.

We talk about it with manager training and stuff like

that.

There's going to be a hundred things coming at you.

There's going to be A problems, B problems and C problems.

Squeaky wheel gets the grease.

And going about it the right way too.

Pursue it appropriately without pissing the person off you're

pursuing with, to get the advice from or whatever you're

looking for.

Right.

Scott, this has been an absolute banger.

I would generally apologize at this moment to a guest,

but you've listened to them all.

Exactly.

What you were coming into.

You had the lowest of expectations.

So I hope we met those.

I had a great time.

I appreciate you guys having me up here.

I love seeing the facility today.

I mean, it's really inspirational what you guys have

built here.

I appreciate it.

Like I said, I've said it before.

I just like surrounding myself with people that are

better than me.

And just walking around this factory and see what you

guys built.

It's awesome.

It's walking around SEMA show and seeing y'all's

presence there.

It's awesome.

So I'm proud to be able to build in my home garage

with the products that you guys use here.

Well, thanks, man.

We appreciate you using them.

And keep up the good work.

It's inspiring to see where it really is.

And you're inspiring probably more people than you know.

Playing a much bigger role in this industry than you

think and get a very humble approach to it.

But the amount of people that we talk to that see the

videos and say they help them or just give them

some confidence and inspiration and doing huge things

for the industry.

So I can't thank you enough.

We never talked.

We can end whenever we want to.

We never talked about the reason that Scott's

Camaro was even here.

Oh, yeah.

I've been keeping that under wraps, man.

All these people asking me.

Getting it all.

I think it's the Stallone Reynolds thing.

We got carried away with that.

The reason his car was here is something that's

been quite the secret.

Like you said, you've been having to hold off

the wolves for asking what's going on.

That's right.

And we're going to drop.

It was here for new ball joints.

A little, little, little bit of tease.

We'll go into a little detail here, but we were

in the process of developing a direct fit

bolt-in stainless steel exhaust system for one of

our most popular applications, which is the

first gen spec Camaro platform.

And we all kind of sat down, me, Phil, Josh,

and we reached out to the sales team, Phil

Smart and Irvin.

And we were trying to think of who would be

sort of a great test mule for that.

I mean, we've got some local cars and things

like that, and your name instantly came up.

And we looked at the car, saw some pictures

of the car, and it just, everything was a

perfect fit.

The goal was to get this exhaust system in

a built car and see a before and after.

So all the engineering was done.

Exhaust was CAD designed.

Then it was hand prototyped.

And then it was mandrel bent.

And then it's fixtures.

And then it's welded in some different mufflers,

two different muffler styles, a couple different

tailpipe options were made.

And we're fortunate enough that you supplied us

with your car.

LS3, what, 500, something horsepower?

Yeah, it's the 495 horsepower.

So perfect application.

Came in without tailpipes, but it had a

pretty good exhaust system in there.

So you got a good feel for what that car

sounded like.

And we were able to use it to install this

prototype kit, which is pretty reflective

of the final product short of a couple

little final tweaks.

That's going to be coming here probably right

around the first of the year.

Reason being for this is that you talked

about a lot of things on how that car went

together and how you did it and your

experience level.

Almost everything on that car is sort of

manageable for a guy to do in his garage

to build one.

The exhaust is always the one point I feel

and I've heard from other customers that

it takes a lot of fabrication, a lot of

fabrication skills to do it.

And we thought that they're repetitive enough,

we've got good enough CAD data on them

to sort of help customers out and make

something that is an off-the-shelf

pre-packaged part, bolts in that ready to go.

It's also a hassle if you don't do the

fab yourself because it has no exhaust.

So it's not like you can just, well I'm

just going to drive it down and leave it

and leave it and it's the getting,

calling back the same lady at the rollback

and getting it transported, paying that money,

leaving it for the exhaust going over

with the guy telling him to do this

and then waiting for him to get started

and paying the money to do that.

It's not an easy thing.

It's something that's been quite overlooked

for quite some time that it's just like

buy two mufflers, buy a box of tubing,

cut it up, weld it up.

A lot of people have done them.

I spent a lot of time getting that exhaust

to what it was that you saw it but it was

my only point of dissatisfaction with the car

so when Phil called me and asked me

I thought I was like, because I always meant

to go back but I just had turn downs

under the rear differential because I did not

have the skill set to get it up over the axle

through the back because there were just so many

complex bends in there and I'm like, that's where

I had to draw the line so I got that car done

and my intention was like, when I get better

I'm going to go back and do it but I never did

and it was like, it had these turn downs

and it sat a little lower than the chassis

frame rails and I had a two and a half inch exhaust.

You guys may have put this beautiful

three incher back there and it wrapped,

it's spectacular.

I've been sitting on that video for months

so excited to show everybody else

and when you guys say it's okay but

it's not going to be me because I'm very

hesitant to let anybody else touch my car

or anything and I'm like, I mean God

if Roadster shops asking me, I can't say

no to that man.

It was the one area of the car that I was

dissatisfied with so it's been incredible

since I've been back and I freaking love it.

Awesome, good to hear.

There was a tremendous amount of work,

a lot of thought went into that.

It seems like over the years

our customer base with all the cars

that we do, most guys want

quiet, which becomes

challenging to do when you only have

X amount of space to package.

Muffler, we've done some C10s

various trucks where guys are actually

going to the length of putting

four full size mufflers in it

in place of a rear resonator to quiet

it down and then there's the

other customers that they want that hot

rod sound so

we sort of got the best of both worlds

which you've got to experience that it's a

valve muffler with a stand alone

vacuum

module and you can

run that thing where it's

pretty damn quiet and

you know I'd say it's civilized

right?

Yeah but like when it works.

Yeah but even in quiet mode when you get on

it sounds good.

I don't drive in quiet mode much

I'll be honest.

Then you pop it open and it's not open head or loud

it's just, it's hot.

More aggressive.

In the industry long enough we've played with

every exhaust cut out, every gimmicky

valve

and we ended up connecting with

a pretty high end company

that put together a kit

that nails it.

It's durable

functions awesome

sounds good so

yeah until...

They should be shipping January

of 2026. In January

and we'll be dropping some great

videos, instructions

sound clips, tried to get everybody

a good audio

representation of what it is

on, off, driving

it's awesome

product that should be a no-brainer for anyone.

I think you're good to drop that video and you know what

drop it. We'll take pre-orders

No problem.

Put names on a list.

If that was an option available for me to order

like 100% I would have ordered that.

If you guys can do one for a 67 Chevelle

or like I'm all over it. I don't care how much it costs

I'm ordering it then.

Because the exhaust fab is probably one of the most

difficult parts of the build for somebody like me.

It is. It's most difficult and it's the most

expensive

that exhaust system will

likely retail for probably

less than what it's going to

take a guy to order

all the parts and materials

right to do one himself.

The reality is to do it all to like

the high end stainless bends and things that we do

custom exhaust here

you're probably

north of 8,000 bucks

in something I mean probably around in 10

Yeah probably around in 10 grade and you got

40-50 hours in

fab and

$4,000 in materials

and I'm a lot like you Mike Camaro

that's sitting there neglected

that was one of the things I did

at probably 20 years old

I fabbed the front half of the exhaust

out of stainless and put

X-pipe in it and then I just

ran out of talent

I'd say once I got to the mufflers

so that car still to this day

it's just got two mufflers hanging back there

and that's one of those things that I weigh out

when I'm like I want to put

a chassis in it but

I don't have the time I know what it's going to take to do it

I know the amount of fab and I look at an exhaust system

like man it's 40-50

hours to do it that's

going to push me one step closer personally

to actually finally pulling the trigger

and putting a damn chassis under that car

yeah then you can just

set the motor and trans in

put the exhaust in it, plummet, have the whole thing

and then in a weekend

swap it over and have it sitting like that

at least 11 exhausts

and it'll be pretty close to being done

so yeah we're getting close

it's coming

first of the year there's going to be some good

good images

some good marketing

it'll start rolling out there and

Scott's got the prototype

it's funny how many comments I get about

my neighbors must hate me and stuff

the Porsche is pretty quiet with the Cobra

and the Mustang and the Camaro make some noise

but I got an awesome group of neighbors

and they seem to like the cars and stuff

there was funny there was like

a Tik Tok or somebody

how my neighbor thinks my car starts

and the guy starts his car in the freaking house blew up

sit down like to the group chat of the neighbors

they're like yeah yeah

I think I'll do enough for their neighbors

to tolerate my loud cars coming and going

and we were joking that the valve should be like

neighbor mode and out of neighborhood mode

it's fired up on quiet

the second you leave the neighborhood open it up

and rip

Scott it's been amazing

I'm glad we got that last part in

I just didn't want to end without getting the plug in

and let some of your listeners know

what you've been holding back

for so long

it's been an amazing time

glad to be able to

know you and call you friend

you've done an amazing job

for our brand and

Phil said you've done amazing

you're doing more than you know

for the industry itself and that's what's good

and you're a great guy

it's easy to do a good job for your brand

because it's such good stuff

I'm not misrepresenting anything

I just represent what I think it is

and I love it all the time

people are like oh does those cars really drive like a new car

I'm like it performs

like a new car with the coolness of an old car

I mean you're not going to have the same sound insulation

and all that stuff

but the performance is there

and you're in an old car

I love it, I love the package

and that's why I'm doing it for the third time

awesome man, thank you

can't wait to do it again

and I can't wait to see that Chevelle come together

anybody that

if you're not one of the 75,000

people that are following you

then make sure you give it a

follow

check them out

we'll see you again next week

Scott Spencer (@scottsrides) | Building Cars & Community

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