Navigating Facebook Marketplace can be a frustrating experience for both buyers and sellers, as highlighted by the hosts. They share personal anecdotes about the challenges of selling cars, including dealing with scammers and time-wasters. The conversation dives into best practices for creating effective listings, recognizing red flags, and ensuring safety during transactions. With humor and relatable stories, the hosts aim to educate listeners on how to avoid common pitfalls while buying or selling vehicles online.
If you like to Get Out N Drive, you have probably spent some time checking out Facebook Marketplace looking for your next ride or selling one you have. Aaaaaand you've probably considered driving to someone's house and punch them in the face after dealing with them. Fake listings, Wal-Mart gift card scammers, negotiating before even seeing the car, that $1234 pricing, and random ghosting....the stupid possibilities are endless! Ride along as Jason OldeCarrGuy Carr and John CustomCarNerd Meyer dive into the horrors of buying and selling cars on Facebook Marketplace.
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"Somebody was out there in their Ford Escape with a get out and drive, National Get Out and Drive Day 2025 sticker on the back of it, just living the best dream with their family, going out to get some ice cream, having a good time."
The Ford Escape is a small SUV that many people use for family trips and daily driving. It's known for being comfortable and having a lot of space inside.
The Ford Escape is a compact SUV that has been popular for its practicality and versatility. It offers a comfortable ride and a range of features suitable for families and everyday use.
"Here's your reminder to support the companies that support your right to get out and drive. Auto Metal Direct is a premier manufacturer of high-quality restoration parts for"
Auto Metal Direct makes parts that help fix up old cars, so people can make them look and work like new again.
Auto Metal Direct specializes in manufacturing restoration parts for classic cars, providing high-quality components that help enthusiasts restore and maintain their vehicles.
"AMD offers a wide range of components, including body panels, trim, glass, weather stripping, and much more."
AMD is a company that makes parts for older American cars. They create things like body panels and trim that fit well and are made to the same standards as the original parts.
AMD, or AutoMetalDirect, specializes in aftermarket automotive components, particularly for classic American cars. They provide a variety of parts including body panels and trim that are designed to meet or exceed original equipment specifications.
"...he had bought a, what was it? Was it a Mercury Cougar? Yeah, I think he bought a cougar from some guy that they called lion somebody."
The Mercury Cougar is a car that was made by the Mercury brand. It was popular for its stylish looks and some versions were known for being fast.
The Mercury Cougar is a mid-size car that was produced by Mercury from 1967 to 2002. It is known for its sporty design and performance variants, particularly in the late 1960s and early 1970s.
"I think it was an 05 Volkswagen Jetta. Now, they didn't take a picture of the pretty side."
The Volkswagen Jetta is a small car that is popular for being reliable and easy to drive. The 2005 version is known for having a comfortable interior and good fuel efficiency.
The Volkswagen Jetta is a compact car known for its practicality and reliability. The 2005 model is part of the fifth generation, which features a more refined design and improved interior quality compared to earlier versions.
"the description says it's got 321,000 kilometers, so that's like 200,000 miles or almost."
Kilometers are a way to measure how far something is, similar to miles. In this case, 321,000 kilometers is about 200,000 miles, which is a lot of distance for a car.
Kilometers are a unit of measurement for distance, commonly used in countries outside the United States. One kilometer is approximately 0.62 miles, so 321,000 kilometers is roughly equivalent to 200,000 miles.
"...Automatic transmission, and it is a diesel. So we do know that."
Diesel is a type of fuel used in some cars and trucks. Diesel engines are usually more efficient and can produce more power than regular gasoline engines.
Diesel refers to a type of fuel and the engines that run on it. Diesel engines are known for their fuel efficiency and torque, making them popular in heavy-duty vehicles and some passenger cars.
"...Automatic transmission, and it is a diesel. So we do know that."
An automatic transmission is a system in cars that changes gears for you, so you don't have to do it yourself. It makes driving easier, especially in heavy traffic.
An automatic transmission is a type of vehicle transmission that automatically changes the gear ratios as the vehicle moves, allowing the driver to focus on driving without manually shifting gears. This system enhances convenience and ease of use, especially in stop-and-go traffic.
"...instead of writing the word inspection, we use the term MVI, Motor Vehicle Inspection, but he apostropheed it."
MVI means Motor Vehicle Inspection. It's a check to make sure cars are safe and meet environmental rules before they can be driven on the road.
MVI stands for Motor Vehicle Inspection, which is a process to ensure that a vehicle meets safety and emissions standards. This inspection is often required by law to ensure that vehicles on the road are safe to drive.
"I had a hard time selling my 72 Maverick. I mean, I had it on there for a year and a half..."
The Ford Maverick is a small car that Ford made in the early 1970s. It was popular because it was inexpensive and good for everyday use.
The Ford Maverick was a compact car produced by Ford from 1969 to 1977. It was known for its affordability and practicality, appealing to budget-conscious buyers during its production years.
"...and one picture of the Camaro you're trying to put up. Everybody's seen it."
The Camaro is a type of sports car made by Chevrolet. It's known for being fast and having a cool design, making it a favorite among many car lovers.
The Chevrolet Camaro is a classic American muscle car known for its performance and sporty design. It has been a popular choice among car enthusiasts since its introduction in the 1960s.
"For me, finding high quality replacement body panels, rust repair parts, trim and weather stripping is key to making sure my project is ready to get out and drive."
Replacement body panels are pieces that you can use to fix the outside of a car if it's damaged or rusty. They help make the car look good again and keep it safe to drive.
Replacement body panels are parts used to replace damaged or rusted sections of a vehicle's exterior. They are essential for restoring the structural integrity and appearance of classic cars.
"For me, finding high quality replacement body panels, rust repair parts, trim and weather stripping is key to making sure my project is ready to get out and drive."
Rust repair parts are pieces you use to fix parts of a car that have gotten damaged by rust. Rust can make a car weak, so fixing it is important for safety.
Rust repair parts are components specifically designed to replace or repair areas of a vehicle that have been damaged by rust. This is crucial for maintaining the vehicle's safety and longevity.
"For me, finding high quality replacement body panels, rust repair parts, trim and weather stripping is key to making sure my project is ready to get out and drive."
Weather stripping is the material that seals the edges of doors and windows in a car. It helps keep water and air from getting inside, making the ride more comfortable.
Weather stripping refers to the material used to seal the gaps around doors and windows in a vehicle. It helps keep out water, air, and noise, contributing to a comfortable driving experience.
"AMD is the place to find restoration parts, including trim, glass and weather stripping."
Restoration means fixing up an old car to make it look and work like it did when it was new. This can involve a lot of different repairs and updates.
Restoration is the process of returning a vehicle to its original condition, often involving repairs, replacements, and refinishing. This can include everything from mechanical work to cosmetic updates.
"When you are restoring iconic vehicles like the square body and OBS GM trucks, Mopar muscle cars and Ford Dentside pickups,"
OBS GM trucks are a type of Chevrolet and GMC truck made from 1988 to 1998. They have a unique look and are popular among people who like to fix up old trucks.
OBS stands for 'Old Body Style' and refers to Chevrolet and GMC trucks produced from 1988 to 1998. These trucks are recognized for their distinctive design and are sought after for restoration projects.
"When you are restoring iconic vehicles like the square body and OBS GM trucks, Mopar muscle cars and Ford Dentside pickups,"
Square body is a nickname for a style of Chevrolet and GMC trucks made between 1973 and 1987. They have a boxy shape and are popular with people who like to restore old vehicles.
The term 'square body' refers to a specific generation of Chevrolet and GMC trucks produced from 1973 to 1987, known for their boxy design. These trucks are popular among collectors and restorers.
"When you are restoring iconic vehicles like the square body and OBS GM trucks, Mopar muscle cars and Ford Dentside pickups,"
Ford Dentside pickups are a style of Ford trucks made from 1973 to 1979. They have a unique shape and are liked by people who enjoy restoring old vehicles.
Ford Dentside pickups refer to a specific design of Ford trucks produced from 1973 to 1979, characterized by their distinctive body lines. These trucks are popular among collectors and restorers.
"When you are restoring iconic vehicles like the square body and OBS GM trucks, Mopar muscle cars and Ford Dentside pickups,"
Mopar muscle cars are fast cars made by Chrysler, especially popular in the 1960s and 1970s. They are known for having powerful engines and cool designs.
Mopar muscle cars refer to high-performance vehicles produced by Chrysler under the Mopar brand, particularly during the 1960s and 1970s. These cars are known for their powerful engines and sporty designs.
"...told me where the rusty spots were, the spots where that rear crossmember was."
The rear crossmember is a part of the car's frame that helps hold everything together at the back. It supports the rear suspension and keeps the car stable.
The rear crossmember is a structural component of a vehicle's chassis, providing support and stability. It typically connects the rear suspension components and helps maintain the vehicle's integrity, especially during impacts or stress.
"he's got that it's a gasoline engine but he's also got that it's a 1.8 liter engine."
A gasoline engine is a type of engine that runs on gasoline fuel, which is common in many cars. It works by burning the fuel to create power to move the car.
A gasoline engine is an internal combustion engine that burns gasoline to create power. It typically uses a spark plug to ignite the fuel-air mixture in the combustion chamber.
A 1.8 liter engine means the engine has a total volume of 1.8 liters, which helps determine how powerful the engine is and how much fuel it can burn.
A 1.8 liter engine refers to the engine's displacement, which is the total volume of all the cylinders in the engine. It indicates the size and potential power output of the engine.
"that it's a V6 4.3 but in this case he goes to the description to clarify"
A V6 engine is a type of car engine that has six cylinders shaped like a 'V'. It usually offers a good mix of power and fuel efficiency.
A V6 engine is a type of internal combustion engine with six cylinders arranged in a V configuration. It is known for providing a balance of power and efficiency.
Car
1999 Chevrolet 4.8 V8
"that it's a 99 two-wheel drive 4.8 V8. Many new parts."
This is a 1999 model year Chevrolet truck that has a V8 engine with a displacement of 4.8 liters, which is a common engine size for trucks.
The speaker refers to a 1999 Chevrolet vehicle equipped with a 4.8-liter V8 engine. This engine is known for its reliability and is commonly found in various Chevrolet trucks and SUVs.
"Because you're 4 door 55 Chevrolet without a trunk lid"
The Chevrolet Corvette is a fast and stylish sports car that many people admire. It's known for being powerful and fun to drive, and it's a symbol of American car culture.
The Chevrolet Corvette is an iconic American sports car known for its high performance and sleek design. It has a rich history and is often celebrated for its engineering and speed, making it a frequent topic of discussion among car enthusiasts.
The Cadillac Fleetwood is a big, comfortable car made by Cadillac. The 1985 version is known for being luxurious and spacious, making it a favorite among people who like classic cars.
The Cadillac Fleetwood is a full-size luxury car produced by Cadillac, known for its spacious interior and classic styling. The 1985 model is part of the Fleetwood series that was popular during the 1980s, representing luxury and comfort.
"...if they're selling this red Mazda Miata, scan through their photos and see if you ever see them taking a picture of them driving it..."
The Mazda Miata is a small sports car that seats two people. It's known for being fun to drive and is popular among car lovers because it's light and handles well.
The Mazda Miata, also known as the MX-5, is a lightweight two-seat roadster that is popular for its sporty handling and fun driving experience. It has a strong enthusiast following and is often praised for its balance and affordability.
"...bably follow him. He just recently did the Danger Ranger $5,000 down there at the Freedom Factory."
The Ford Ranger is a small truck that can carry things in the back, making it useful for work or outdoor activities. People like it because it's easy to drive and can handle rough roads.
The Ford Ranger is a compact pickup truck that has been popular for its versatility and off-road capabilities. It is often discussed for its balance of utility and comfort, making it a favorite among both work and leisure drivers.
"...needed for RestoMod builds. If you are a younger enthusiast working on a build using AMD parts, we want to hear from you."
Restomod means taking an old car and fixing it up with new parts to make it run better and feel more comfortable, while still keeping its classic look.
Restomod is a term used to describe classic cars that have been restored and modified with modern components and technology. This approach allows enthusiasts to enjoy the aesthetics of a vintage vehicle while benefiting from contemporary performance and comfort features.
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You're listening to the Get Out and Drive podcast, fueled by AMD with your host, John Custom
Karnertmeyer and Jason Old Car Guy Carr.
We'll be bringing you gear heads, everything you've never wanted to know about cars and
why they should be on the road and not in your garage.
Are you ready to get out and drive?
Oh, John, you ever have one of those times where you're scrolling through and every
roll that you go through is just more and more funny?
Yes, oh yeah.
And before you know it, your wife starts throwing shit at you because you're making too much
noise.
You're laughing too much and you're making too much noise.
You're having too much fun without them.
Oh.
Okay.
I am composed.
John, who has more fun than a middle-aged old guy sitting there doom-scrolling on
his phone?
Every time, every single time, we're trying to get it rolling and I'm trying to get square
and you're telling me stuff and I'm sending you crap and you're laughing and I don't
even know.
We all have that one friend, don't we?
We do.
I'm sad that you are mine, but okay.
Well, what a great segue into all the things that were being shared with us over
Drive Day, 0.35 a couple of weekends ago and I cannot, I can't get over the number of
posts that people didn't just take a picture and go tag, get out and drive.
No, they shot video.
Some of them, you know, narrated their video.
Some people went further to get some custom shots and like if you guys just, when
you're done listening to this, get on your phone and just go into your search bar, anywhere,
any browser, any social media and type hashtag national get out and drive day.
You'll see what we're talking about.
It was amazing.
The support that we had, we're not even talking about the companies that jumped in
on this, we're talking about individual people that are like you guys who are listening
to us right now.
Yeah, people that didn't have to do anything.
They could have sailed right on through and no one cared.
But they stopped and they wanted to make sure everybody knew that they loved national get
out and drive day and what they were driving.
And they'd show us as safely as possible.
They'd show us pictures of what they were driving, driving a vehicle, talking about
what they were driving, just hanging out and having fun.
And we saw a literal crap ton of awesome vehicles, Pontiac Le Mans, Old Buick Skylarks.
Somebody even had, I should know this, with his, what is it, a 50, 52 Mercury lead sled
with the flames in the front of it.
Oh, I don't know.
It's been a while for us for a long time.
Yeah, I don't know.
Why am I forgetting his name?
Anyways, there's just, there's so many different cars out there, trucks, even modern stuff.
Somebody was out there in their Ford Escape with a get out and drive, National Get Out
and Drive Day 2025 sticker on the back of it, just living the best dream with their
family, going out to get some ice cream, having a good time.
And I am thankful for everybody that had the opportunity or took the time to tag
us because that's what we wanted to see.
We want to see this become a wave that gets bigger and bigger every year.
Yeah.
Well, let me officially come on here and say to everybody that had just bomb-barded the
crap out of us about getting decals, or I didn't get my decal, I didn't get my decal.
You know why?
It's because we had too many people sign up.
We ran out twice.
Now we've got some more back in.
We're going to get caught up because my head's still spinning.
So everybody that stayed with us, people that got it on before Drive Day, people that got
them after Drive Day, whatever, thank you for your patience.
This year, God, Jason, this year has been overwhelming.
Here's your reminder to support the companies that support your right to get out and drive.
Auto Metal Direct is a premier manufacturer of high-quality restoration parts for
classic American cars and trucks.
AMD offers a wide range of components, including body panels, trim, glass, weather stripping,
and much more.
Crafted to meet or exceed original equipment specifications.
Be sure to visit AutoMetalDirect.com as you get your ride ready to get out and drive.
And I think in huge part, it comes down to a handful of people that we need to mention.
Mostly, Jason Chandler, Eddie Sobreko over there at AMD.
Who sponsors us as a podcast at their free will.
Jumped on board and started making cute little shorts, funny little shorts with this.
With the giant ass decals.
The giant decals and want to stick them everywhere.
And they were kind enough to send me a couple up here in Canada.
John got a couple.
And like these were huge.
Like they're I think in my video I made, I said they were 30.
They're not.
They're like 24 or 22 inches wide.
But they're huge and they stand out.
And it's something that I think moving forward next year.
We'll have to do the same thing and make some funny skits out of it.
And yes, a huge shout out to AMD, Jason and Eddie and Amanda, too.
Because she was out there filming some of that stuff for those guys and making
sure that they got the word out.
So huge shout out to those guys over at AMD.
Also our pal from Oklahoma, who travels back and forth to Maine.
Always driving.
He's always driving.
So it's just another day for him, but he chose to put our name on it.
So Fred Ashmore.
Ashmore speed and performance ASAP.
And he's only a couple of hours from me when he's in Maine.
And of all these years, we still haven't have yet to connect.
But he's got a birthday coming up soon.
And it's the big one for him.
I think it's 50.
It is 50.
And he's planning on doing a big, big drive.
John, you know a little about that.
I think that you might even be taking part in some fashion possibly.
I haven't said yet.
Nothing's happening yet.
I can't let out any information.
Let's just say the passenger seat might be warm.
So yeah, so big shout out to Fred.
That day on October 5th, he was traveling back.
He had bought a, what was it?
Was it a Mercury Cougar?
Yeah, I think he bought a cougar from some guy that they called lion somebody.
And like making up stories and fibbing saying, saying his, his 70 Mercury Cougar ran nines.
Yeah, Fred was on his way back home and like I said, he was doing a live on Instagram,
which while he was driving.
Allegedly in Mexico.
Right.
But yeah, there's a lot of people.
Between Oklahoma and Maine, isn't it?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Maybe my map's wrong.
Yeah.
A lot of people take an advantage of National Get On Drive Day,
helping us help support the cause.
And if you guys don't know what the cause is,
somebody said, well, what Jason, what do you gain out of this?
I don't gain a cent.
I don't gain anything.
The whole purpose of National Get On Drive Day is just that.
We want to see you getting out in your ride to enjoy it with your family,
enjoy it with your friends or by yourself.
But we want you out driving.
Older vehicles, collector cars, trucks, motorcycles, wagons, horse and buggy,
whatever you've got.
They're all meant to be driven.
They're meant to get out and drive.
So whether you're snapping the reins or you're slapping the gas pedal,
that's the whole point of National Get Out And Drive Day.
There are a few side things that go along with that.
And simply one of those happens to be, you know,
the opportunity to help support kids getting back into the trades.
What drives youth is a mantra we like to say.
John, talk a little bit about some of the charities that we try
to make people aware of for what drives youth.
We really support the RPM Foundation.
And they have a big hand in the X-Cup for the Great Race.
And that's an incredible, incredible thing.
And we have operative talent as well on board with us.
And they support the Nash generation.
They support people getting into trades.
And there are several different places that they have introduced us to
that they'll help graduates, high school graduates,
trying to get into automotive trades or trades in general.
So depending on where you're watching this or where you're listening to this,
we will try and do our best to leave that information
in the show notes or in the description box down below.
So you guys can take a look at those guys just because we say to give.
Take a look. Read what they are writing.
Listen to their mission statements. See what they're doing.
If you feel inclined to help them out, by all means,
I'm sure that they would be greatly appreciative to help push those motives
in that next generation of kids and students of moving them into the trades
and stuff like that.
Speaking of social medias,
and we're going to take a little bit of a twist here now, John.
I was rummaging through Facebook Marketplace
as I always do at a certain time of the morning before my cup of coffee
and seeing what was going through there.
And every time I get on to Facebook Marketplace,
within seconds I'm frustrated beyond all means.
People trying to sell stuff that don't describe it.
They don't show pictures. They won't even give a price sometimes.
But yet they expect you to jump on there.
One of the ones that specifically jumped out at me was this,
I think it was an 05 Volkswagen Jetta.
Now, they didn't take a picture of the pretty side.
They chose to show you the rebuilt fender on the driver's side
and give you this because they figured it looked prettier that way.
And they're trying to sell this thing for $1234.
So what does that do?
They show you three pictures.
The description says it's got 321,000 kilometers,
so that's like 200,000 miles or almost.
Automatic transmission, and it is a diesel.
So we do know that.
But his description just basically says I've got a 05 diesel in RLY.
Good shape.
Instead of typing out really, he's lazy again.
RLY, good shape underneath.
Just recently, MVI'd.
So instead of writing the word inspection,
we use the term MVI, Motor Vehicle Inspection,
but he apostropheed it.
Needs a little bit of work, daily driven, looking for trades.
So either you want to sell it or you want to trade it.
You should put a price on these things, guys.
This is just aggravating that when I see something...
Okay, so yes, I clicked on it.
Normally, when I see something that says a price of 1234,
first in my mind, or maybe audibly, I'll give you a big...
But I don't even want to open it.
I don't even want to know how bad your ad is.
Can you relate to this, John?
Oh, I certainly can.
I can't believe there's so many cars on Marketplace that cost $1,234.
Right?
I mean, I'm buying them all.
And it's just a minefield lately.
I had a hard time selling my 72 Maverick.
I mean, I had it on there for a year and a half
dealing with clowns and fools and bots and people from another country
wanting to send me Walmart gift cards.
I couldn't even handle it. I could not handle it.
I don't know if I would sell something on Marketplace ever again.
I mean, it's a minefield of stupidity
and it's the Wild West that is not taken care of at all by Mr. Facebook Man.
But that's just it.
So if you guys are just tuning into the Get Out and Drive podcast for the first time
and you don't know really who I am,
my day job, I am self-employed and I have a used car lot.
I sell cars for a living. I'm biased.
I know how it should work.
I know how many pictures I should be posting at minimum.
I know that the description should be as long as a novel
to give you all the details.
And I know that the price should always be prevalent.
A couple of things to watch out for.
Do not buy a car that the pictures have been taken at night.
They're trying to hide something.
Do not buy a car that looks like it has been recently washed.
Dude, I think that their intention was to get it clean
so that they could get a better picture or wet so it hides the blisters.
Never buy a car on the rain, folks.
No.
And the other one, never trust an ad that only has one or two pictures.
They're trying to hide something.
Clearly, buddy with the Volkswagen shot two sides of that car
with gray fenders on a red car.
I mean, he wasn't trying to hide that.
But the whole point is there's got to be a little bit of etiquette,
meaning if you're not going to fill out those empty boxes
in the description platform on Facebook Marketplace,
if you're not going to fill them all in with something,
you got it?
Oh, yeah.
Here comes Paul.
He's going to show me up now with my website,
which doesn't have much for descriptions.
But I mean, the prices are there.
The Carfax links are there.
Everything is there.
There's multiple pictures to every single ad.
Right?
So that's the whole point.
When you're trying to sell a car, show pictures,
show what everything is.
If somebody sends you a message, answer them.
Okay?
I get it.
Is this available?
That's a trick.
That's a trick.
They've got that is this available as a quick link
that when you're scrolling on your phone,
you accidentally tap it as you're scrolling up through the ad
and it sends that.
It happened to me.
But again, make sure, folks, that if somebody,
if you're selling something and somebody sends you a message.
There is etiquette on both sides.
And I've been a buyer and I've been a seller,
not only of full vehicles and all that,
parts, collectibles, hot wheels, all just everything.
And I guess I'm in the minority of being consistent,
answering people's questions when I'm a seller,
when I'm a buyer.
Don't beat the hell out of people on pricing.
Oh my God.
You talk about somebody that gets an immediate block from me.
If they, if I'm a seller and somebody's a buyer
and they say, what's your lowest price?
Even before they even say anything at all.
Does this thing run?
Will it roll?
Will it get on the trailer?
Will it drive around the block?
Will it drive on the coast to coast road tour?
What's your best price?
That is block.
Instantly.
And you know, as a buyer, I try to treat people
the way I would like to be treated.
And I guess I'm in the minority because
don't drunk Facebook marketplace.
Period.
Period.
Just don't.
Because you're going to put up a picture of a knife
and a picture of your dog and a picture of your
naked belly in a mirror and one picture of the Camaro
you're trying to put up.
Everybody's seen it.
You know, Jason, you've seen it.
And it just drives me absolutely crazy.
Yeah.
And like I said, being in the business,
if somebody comes onto my lot and sometimes
they won't even get out of the car.
They'll roll the window down.
They're going to drive through.
They'll say, what's the best you can do on that?
And very again, when you're in business and you're
face to face, it's totally different than being a
keyboard warrior on Facebook.
Face to face, I have to be polite and I have to
be courteous and I have to not potentially
turn this customer away.
But yeah, they got to smack him in the face
verbally.
Oh, yeah.
Right.
So when somebody, when they throw that out,
I'll say, I'll turn it back on them and I'll
kind of, with a little bit of smile, I'll say,
well, what's the best you do?
Yeah, what's the most you'll pay?
Yeah.
And it kind of breaks the ice.
Sometimes they'll joke and this and that.
But they already know what I want.
Sure.
Right.
Is the price on the window my best price?
Well, I'd like to hope that it is.
I hope it's competitive enough that you'll
take the car for a test drive, sit in it,
smell it, like it, drive it.
Right.
And determine that the value is there.
Right?
So the first words out of your mouth when you
walk into a car dealership shouldn't be
what's the best you'll do.
That's not what we're selling.
We're selling value in a car.
This car is for sale.
It's not on sale.
There you go.
That's a common term in the car sales industry.
This car is for sale.
It's not on sale.
Right.
Yeah, that's 100% of the thing.
And I don't know lately if it's just,
and what do people get out of this, by the way?
What is the battle of the bots and bots
and people that send you stuff and they
want you to play all sorts of Zell games,
say all sorts of Walmart gift card games,
and I'll pay you $2,000 for this item that
you're selling for 50 bucks.
If you'll send me 8 grand, I don't do math well.
And just all sorts of crap.
And I don't understand who gets money out of this,
because the only way I can see is if foolish
people, as a buyer, they want to get something
and they'll hurry up and send somebody $1,000
to hold a car that doesn't exist,
that they've stolen from somebody else's,
you know, somebody else's ad.
And that stuff is crazy.
You have to have as much coot
and understanding as a buyer
and as you do a seller.
Don't just jump in and say,
oh, I'm going to buy something tonight.
Do your research.
Get a specific car you're looking for.
Again, do your research.
Make sure that, you know, if you're looking
at a picture and the price is too good.
Copy that picture and throw it up on a Google search.
If you can find that exact picture somewhere else
and the price is $72,000 for this car
or somebody else has it for $3,000,
stolen picture.
You know, don't fall for this garbage.
Don't fall for this garbage.
And if you're looking for the best price
on something that you're trying to buy
on Facebook Marketplace,
tech tip for you folks,
take it from the guy who's been selling cars
for almost 20 years.
The best price you're going to get
from that car is when you're waiving $100 bills
in front of the person selling the car.
Right.
Okay.
If you show up with cash in hand,
means you are intending to buy
and you're serious.
Throwing somebody a low ball offer
on Marketplace while you're sitting on the shitter
is not how you're going to get the best price.
That's exactly correct.
Everybody says it.
Money talks 100%.
In-person money.
In-person.
It's easy to pay somebody with PayPal
or Zell or Cash App
or whatever you guys are using these days.
But you know what works best?
You know where the best opportunity
to get the best deal is?
Cash.
At least for now, it still is.
King.
Now, you just going to step on something
because I sell stuff on there
and I have it for a while because I'm pissed off at it.
But people say,
I've got something listed for $1,000.
I'll give you 450 cash.
What the hell else are you going to give me
jelly beans and an old magic squirrel?
You know, or something stupid?
Three balloons, this magic squirrel,
and $450.
I'm good with that.
I cannot even...
That irritates me so much.
If you say I'm going to give you $450 for this,
that's my offer, I'm fine with that.
But do not say 450 cash.
Uh-uh.
Again, block.
So, let's go back to Facebook Marketplace for a second
and talk about how other folks handle this.
Facebook horror stories.
Right.
And we've already mentioned once in this podcast
our buddy Fred.
Bless his heart.
If you know Fred, what you see is what you get
and he will speak his mind and he will absolutely
100% positively, not figure-coded.
He's going to take you to church right now.
So, one thing that Fred pops up
on a Facebook group that he has
is his conversations between him
and potential buyers of stuff that he's trying to sell.
Right.
And the reason why he created this
is because he sells a lot of stuff
and he deals with a lot of idiots.
So, common things are,
they'll ask you obvious questions
where the answer is in the ad.
Like, what year is that 1982 ship that you got there?
Yep.
No, no, it's in the ad.
So, I'm not sure how well some of this stuff
is going to come up on screen for you guys
if you're watching this,
but it's pretty interesting that
if you don't follow Fred Ashmore
or Ashmore Speed and Performance,
you can find the links to some of his other stuff
that he sells as well as some of his groups
that he's created
and get a good laugh.
I will warn you.
There's language.
Yeah.
If you get offended easily,
don't go looking for Fred Ashmore.
But I guarantee you,
if you're not offended easily,
then you're going to be quite entertained
with some of the conversations that Fred shares
with some of his groups.
Now, John, I cannot read that from there.
Paul, you can read it because you're looking at the screen.
Would you mind reading that conversation for us?
For Fred Ashmore.
There's a comment that boils my blood
more than what's your best price
directly after you give them a price.
Tailgate, yes?
What's the price?
Tailgate with trim, 200 bucks.
What's the best price?
Never mind.
We're done here.
The price is $200.
Not how cheap you can be.
That is exactly correct.
I have to read that stuff all the time
because he's driven halfway across the country
to look at something that somebody has for sale
and they're just a goofball.
The thing that I like the most is that
when somebody says, you know,
will you meet me somewhere?
And especially if this person's been yanking your chain
for the last three or four days or weeks
or whatever on this item.
And I see this post it all the time
and it's just a gag,
but it kind of gives you the gist
of how you deal with these people.
One of them is get them,
you pin a place,
two hours away from him
and say, look,
meet me here and I'll sell it to you
for the price that you just offered it to me for.
Should you know when you just low-balled the guy?
Right.
Meet me here at this hour.
So if Buddy's eager enough
to go buy this $100 item
that, you know, is worth a thousand,
Buddy drives two hours
for nothing.
And when he gets back on Marketplace
to say, hey, I'm here
and then that's when you drop the bombshell
and you say, well,
seeing how you've wasted my time
for the last few or three or four days
or weeks,
I just thought I would waste yours.
Thank you very much.
This item is not for sale.
Block.
Block.
Yeah.
Give them the pickup place
as a local comedy club to your city.
Yeah.
And then,
Yeah.
You tell you go inside and tell your jokes to them
because they ain't fronting to me.
The gist of this one is why do people
not reply for a week?
And then when you mark it sold,
they start messaging a bunch.
They get mad because you sold it out from underneath them.
Oh, yeah.
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But I know I've looked at a ton of horror stories
and I follow a bunch of stuff on Reddit
that is horror stories
and I think the craziest one that I saw,
I hope I never have this kind of issue,
is a guy was selling a car
and two men came to get it
and they were about to pay him
and the ATF jumped out of the bushes
and they arrested everybody
and threw everybody on the ground,
put everybody in the truck
and it turns out that the people buying the car
wanted for murder
and the cops told him to play along
and he did all the way up to the time
that he got put in the car
and at the end he asked the cops
so I guess I'm not selling the car, right?
I don't think so.
So be safe out there people.
Do not give people the option
to come to your house.
Meet them in a public place.
Meet them in a bank.
Meet them at the local police department.
I've gone to pick up stuff
that people have given me their address
and they've called the local police department
and told them that they're doing
a Facebook marketplace pickup
and the police actually came out
and sat outside their house.
I thought that was weird.
I had that happen to me one time.
Well, yeah, it's the same thing about
if you're not meeting in a public place,
a public place is safe for both parties.
If I'm driving down an unknown city
or an unknown street
and I'm pulling into someone's house
and there's some crazy-ass crap
going on next door,
are you safe?
Do you get out of the car?
Chances are, if you're buying a car
or you're buying something of significant value,
you've probably got some cash on you.
What you want to do is get out of the car
with a pocket full of honeys.
There's some places you don't.
I have a fantastic video.
We went to pick up some collectible glasses,
drinking glasses,
and the lady told us where her house was.
She said, no problem.
It's the first house on the corner.
You turn and you go up the road a little bit.
You can find my house.
I'm like, no problem.
She gave me her address, big giant sign
on the side of her house as her address.
So we pull up the street.
We make a left turn.
I don't see anything.
Like a quarter mile.
We drove through a creek.
I had the video.
We drove through a goddamn creek
and we got to a horse farm
and we're like, there is no way this is right.
We turn around and we came back
and we call the lady and she goes,
oh, well, if you drove through the creek,
that's too far.
So you thank me for telling me that.
So we get back
and we ask her where to go
and she gave us the exact address
because wherever the pinpoint was
for her address on this little globe
that we live on was not
where her house was in real life.
So she helped us out.
We went over and did a porch pickup
and we left, but oh my God,
that was a fantastic story
about driving through a creek
to get some crap from Marketplace.
Well, I've got my own Marketplace story
which actually turned out quite well.
And that is when I bought
Dale Junior, the suburban
that you see sitting behind me
is this was a Facebook Marketplace purchase.
I'm in Eastern Canada.
The thing was listed in
just outside of Wichita, Kansas.
So how do you buy something
over a long distance that A,
you want to trust that the vehicle
is actually there. It's tangible.
It's for sale.
But B, that you're dealing with somebody
but lucky for me, I had somebody
that lived or his parents did
in the vicinity. He was going to visit
his parents, my buddy Grant.
And he said, I'll go down.
I'll take a look at it.
Take it for a drive and
we'll coordinate this so that the guy
doesn't think he's trying to sell it to two people.
He knows it's for you.
And we did that when Grant got there.
He introduced me to the guy
with the camera. We did a live
and he walked all around the vehicle,
told me where the rusty spots were,
the spots where that rear crossmember was.
I knew what I was up against.
And the guy
when everything was done,
him and I had the conversation
to say, listen,
here's the plan.
This is going to be a fly and drive for me.
Will it drive 2,000 miles
back to New Brunswick, Canada?
He says, I have
zero doubt in my mind
that it won't make it.
Sure.
We put the deal together.
This is one of those times
where I simply couldn't negotiate
over the phone because if I'm going to
fly 2,000 miles
with a pocket full of cash, chances are I'm serious.
But I wanted to make sure
that we could nail this down.
The whole point I'm trying to make
with this story is
use your gut.
It's usually right.
Oh, yeah.
If you can honestly say
you've never had a gut feeling,
you're probably naive.
You shouldn't be putting yourself
in those situations.
Take somebody with you.
Call your mom, call your dad,
call your crazy uncle,
best friend, whatever.
Call somebody that can help
vouch for the situation that you're in.
Yep.
We've been doing this a long time,
buying a selling car.
We do it professionally.
There is a difference
when you're doing it professionally versus doing it privately.
I'm an established
business, brick and mortar store.
I've got an office. I've got chairs.
People can come in and sit down. We can talk.
I've got a lot full of cars.
Well, not full.
I've got a lot with cars on it.
The whole point is, is that when you're dealing
in that situation, it's far more
professional. You're far more
safe.
Just to use car salesman.
You take advantage of everybody.
I've heard it all
and you're not going to hurt my feelings.
Right.
The whole point, make yourself
comfortable
in every situation.
When you don't feel comfortable,
that's a gut feeling.
Use your head, man.
Use your head and your gut.
Another opportunity here
is if Facebook Marketplace
annoys the crap out of you
so bad, there are other
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Let's go through a couple more ads
here on Facebook Marketplace
that I just happened to pull up.
This Chevy Halftime
he's selling it
for $5,432.
That's kind of like the 1,2,3,4
but not
if you know what I mean.
So just by looking at the main picture
it's a 99 regular cab
two-wheel drive. It's a pretty good
looking wheels on it. And for
a mere machine truck, it looks pretty clean.
If you guys know, you know.
But if we go down
through the description
in those little spots
that you've got to type in
what the frig you're selling
he's got the mileage, he's got the automatic
transmission, he's got the color
he's got that it's a gasoline engine
but he's also got that it's a 1.8
liter engine.
How hard is it to tell us
that it's a V6 4.3
but in this case
he goes to the description to clarify
in three sentences
that it's a 99 two-wheel drive
4.8 V8. Many new parts.
Well, tell me what you put on.
Tell me what many, tell me what many
parts is. Very solid
old truck. Not perfect by any means
but it's daily and mileage will go
up as I drive it every day.
Two sets of wheels. That's a bonus
so he's got some likely winter wheels
and tires that go with this. Make a cash
offer, a trade for a side-by-side
or something interesting.
So he is open to offers. He's got a
little tiny bit of a description there.
He does tell us a lot
but he doesn't say much
if that makes sense.
If you flip through the pictures
you can see the
other set of wheels that comes with it
which are just stockers
and then you kind of just
have a quick little walk around.
Not a bad looking truck. I wish we knew
what the price was he wanted for it.
Chances are it's not 5, 4, 3,
2 people. More pictures.
He did not give one picture of the interior.
He did not take a picture of the
dash with the mileage light or the
check engine light on because I guarantee
this thing. You should have
at the very least, at the very least
6 exterior pictures.
One of each corner
one under the hood
one in the trunk or the tailgate.
And they should be in the light.
In the light, absolutely. You need to be able to see
what you're shooting. And then
interior pictures you should have a picture
of the driver's seat, the dash,
the console, the back seat.
If it's got a sunroof take your camera
or your phone point it up to the roof
and take a picture of the sunroof. It's not always
clear that a car has a sunroof
in pictures.
If it's inspected
that's a big thing where we are. We have
a biannual safety
inspections. So if you're selling
something that's got 3 months left
on the sticker and you know it won't pass
you're not going to get top dollar out of it.
If it needs things to be fixed
then if they're small
things don't advertise they're small things
get the damn small things fixed and inspected.
You're going to get way more money for this thing
if you do. A 2 year
inspected vehicle is worth more
than the equivalent one with either
no sticker or one that's about to run out.
These are all tips.
Take them and do what you want.
Take them and run with it.
And if you're a seller
take Barrett Jackson and turn it off.
Just turn it off.
Because
you're 4 door 55 Chevrolet
without a trunk lid
that has chickens living in it
is not worth 70 grand.
One last ad
that I wanted to bring up to is
the Hyundai Elantra
2013
Hyundai Elantra. I just saw this
today
on Marketplace
and
I think, Paul, is that already listed
as sold? Yes it is.
So seller was asking
3 grand for it.
It's low mileage
143,000 km
so that's like
maybe 82 or 3,000 miles
automatic transmission. We all know what these
Hyundai's are like. They're likely got
a ticking motor.
The description is lame.
Few bumps and scrapes but all is in good shape.
New outlater serpentine belt
needs inspection
needs plates
but only 3 pictures.
Buddy sold this
with 3 pictures and virtually no description.
I mean
is the price right? 3,000 Canadian
that's like
$2,100 American.
I think that's a pretty good price
for one of these things. I think down here
in the States
that's a $6,000 car.
Right there. You guys probably can't see it.
Listed 23 hours ago.
Sure. And he's got it sold
alright. So that tells me he had the right price on it.
Yeah. Had the right mileage on it.
But
I'm guarantee you he didn't sell it
because of the description. No. Does it
come pre-stolen with a busted column?
The key of voice. Yeah.
Is that one of the features?
Yeah, it's pre-stolen. That's why it's Mark
sold. That's probably right.
US dollar is at $0.71
Canadian.
So for every $1 Canadian
you're only getting $0.71
since US.
So, there you go.
$2,136
is what that car sold
for in USD. Wow.
That's cheap.
The whole point of this
episode was just to kind of help
open your guys' eyes.
Those, I said it earlier
if you just don't know and you don't
get it, just keep scrolling.
You'll never get it.
This is to help you guys
sell your product.
And if you're buying
and you're on the buyer's side of things
it's a buyer beware.
100%
when you're buying stuff online.
And if you're trying to save money as a buyer
and you buy something that is
borderline junk
and it breaks
your cheap ass
don't come back here.
Don't even come back here.
I'm selling it at a certain price
because of what it looks like
and how it runs.
And if you think you're getting cheap for nothing
and it breaks, I have no problem with that.
Certainly.
Paul, put up that thing that
I sent you that has the red flags
of Marketplace. Yes.
Yeah, these are, this is text
that are red flags.
When you're immediately looking at an ad
just scroll by.
It says, just needs a tune up.
Keep on scrolling.
Yep. You know, selling for a friend.
Just keep scrolling.
My loss is your gain.
Run.
Run, run, run.
Run, run, run.
It says brand new motor.
First of all, it's an engine.
Second of all, it's probably not brand new.
It says once to trade
for a similar car.
Why? And if so much
little to get fixed to get more
money out of it, why doesn't the seller
fix it? And those are just
giant red flags
along with somebody that's selling a car
and you inquire about it.
You ask about it and they don't return
your message.
Run, run away.
I don't care how much you want the car, run away.
In every single one of those scenarios
could one of those
red flag scenarios be legit?
100%
Absolutely. You got Grandpa
who is 87 years old
with his
1985 Cadillac Fleetwood
who doesn't do Facebook
and granddaughter
or grandson
is trying to help sell it.
And sure, that's legit.
But unfortunately, you don't know it's
legit until you're there in person
looking at it and you see Grandpa
walking over with his cane.
Right?
Maybe the AAA sticker on the back window.
He's a premier member, you know.
Oh yeah.
So these are things that, yes,
every single one. Could it just need to tune up?
Absolutely.
I am not spending another friggin' dime
on this car.
Just get it out of here.
My loss is your gain. I'm done
spending money on it. Mechanic special.
Is that possible? Absolutely.
Every single one of those red flags
could be legit.
But you'll never know
unless you go see it in person
with cash in hand
to make that lowball offer
that they might just say yes. Get it the hell out of here.
This next one that Paul has up here
says,
planning on selling my car
yesterday I cleaned it, took a bunch of pictures
and
posted it to Marketplace.
Within seven minutes, seven minutes of posting it.
Says I had 18 messages
from people wanting to buy the car.
It says I have it priced
because it's still a good car
being sold as is.
But it felt scammy.
I didn't respond to anyone
and he said some of them
seem legitimate, but others seem
scammy. He said what can I do to protect
myself? And as a
seller, it's hard.
I can't tell you enough
do your
research.
Look for the same type of item that you have
on your sale. Look for that
on Facebook. Look for that
on, if it's a small thing, look
for it on eBay.
Do a general internet search on
what's the value of my car.
There is a bunch of sites out there
that can help you. Like I said
do not jump
on Facebook
and just go ahead and just start ticking
away.
Nothing's going to turn out good from that.
Here's a good tip.
When you're doing Facebook Marketplace,
there's always the opportunity to view
the profile of the person selling the item.
So do that.
If you don't know who it is, do that.
Sometimes it will tell you that you have mutual
friends. So you can verify
who or what this person is
by checking with some
mutual friends to say, is this guy
legit or this gal legit?
If they've
only got three friends on
Facebook, I'll be a scam.
If they've got several hundred
and it says they've been on Facebook
since 2012,
then yeah, chances are
they're probably legit.
Because scam accounts do get
shut down. They generally don't last
for 12 years.
But the whole idea is
that's the very least you can do is search
the person selling it, find out
who they are or what they're about.
If they don't have any mutual friends
look at their posts. If they're sharing
stuff publicly, see when the last time
they shared something. If they're selling this
red Mazda Miata, scan through
their photos and see if you ever see them taking
a picture of them driving it or inside
of it or in front of their house or whatever.
Just
sleuth it a little bit. Don't
try not to be naive. Like I said,
if you're naive or you don't think
you're naive,
then you'll know this stuff.
But if you are naive, you don't know it.
Go look
at the person that's selling an item
or a person that's potentially buying
an item and look and see their
feedback. Look and see
what other things they have for sale. Again,
everything comes right
back to do your homework.
Well, I hope that
this episode has been a
little bit of a help to somebody. I mean
if we only ever help one person
and they understand where we're coming
from and they take some of this advice, great.
We hope that this helped and
we hope that you spread the word. I think
that we're just a bunch of raving old men, lunatics
telling you how to do things and what
not. Well, power to you.
I am too. So
get off my lawn.
This is what we see. This is our
experience and we've made mistakes.
I've been scammed on Facebook
Marketplace. I still
don't have my 40 foot shipping
container that I
bought
five years ago. Wow.
Again, and I did
research. I
looked the company up. I found out
who they were. I went to
Google Street Maps and found out where their
business was. It was
seemingly was legit at the time.
$2,000 out the window. I should know better.
$2,000 for a 40 foot secant.
At the time, they were going
for $2,500. Now they're like
$4,000.
That was a great talk.
I learned a little bit, but also
I hope that you guys did
and that's what we're
trying to do. Looking
forward to next
year, we do have
a couple of new potential partners
with National Get-Untimely
Drive Day. One of them is
Fred Rod. You guys don't know who or what
Fred Rod is. It's an annual event that takes
place. It's a three-day
event over a weekend in
August in the capital city
of New Brunswick where I am
this year, they're happy to announce that
Sean
who is the what
no way guy
on Instagram, TikTok,
Facebook, all over the place, he's going to be making a visit
if you don't follow Sean
which I'm sure that you do. If you follow us, you probably follow him.
He just recently did the Danger Ranger
$5,000 down there at the Freedom Factory.
It was his second visit
down to one of those events. He's done
a kind of a
all-out race with Justin
Danger Nunley.
If you don't know who that guy is, he's the
listen guy on
TikTok
who does a bunch of that stuff.
He's going to be at the Fred Rod show this year
as well as
who are they? Eastbound and Down.
If you guys are familiar with Smoke in the Bandit
these are a tribute
to
the
Smoke in the Bandit.
There's a lot of some vehicles. They'll be
impersonating
the crew cast and crew of Smoke in the Bandit
right down to
Burt Reynolds, Jackie Gleason
and the follow that played
Snowman, Jerry Reed
and by the looks of the picture that's up on the screen
I hope they bring every single one of those cars
because that would be absolutely awesome.
The Cut-Off, Pontiac, whatever it was
what was that a Le Mans?
And of course the Smoke in the Bandit
you see Smoke in the Bandit cars all the time.
It's not great.
But it would be awesome to see some of those other cars
and these characters and from what I understand
they do not
under any circumstance break character
which I think is absolutely great.
It'll be good to see these guys
as well as Sean Umscheed
from
No Way
and it'll be a pretty good show. Last year
if you were there you know that
Bad Chad was there as well as Mike Hall
from
Ross Valley Restores
and they generally try and get some big guests
to this show. They have agreed to be a partner
or ambassador
of National
Get Out and Drive Day so we'll be sending them
some stuff and if you are in
the New Brunswick area and choose
to go to that and register your vehicle
you'll be getting some Drive Day stickers
as part of that package as well.
So looking forward to that.
Well I had, I certainly had fun
warning people about
this place because that place is a freaking
mine field.
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, like I said, I'm in the business
I deal with that on a microcosm
every day
with live people.
Some of the strange buying and selling
things
but at the end of the day when you're going
and you're sitting down and you're specifically
looking for an item to be
to be serious and to be in the
market for something you hope that
person selling what you're looking for is just
as serious as you are
that they're actually a person
and that the vehicle actually exists.
So again, we hope that we
kind of helped guide you through some of the
what to do and what not to do
of Facebook Marketplace. I think this was
a great episode. I think it was very educational
and despite the fact that
we may or may not have made fool of ourselves
in front of some people, I really don't care.
If I help one person, it's going to be awesome.
You helped me today, John.
I did help you, so
I'll see you next time.
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