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Term
E-lockers
An E-locker is a device that helps a truck or SUV get traction when one wheel starts slipping. It locks the two wheels together on the same axle so both can push instead of one just spinning.
Brand
ARB
ARB is a company that makes off-road traction parts. Here, they’re being compared to other locking-differential systems to see how they differ for off-roading.
Term
locking differential
A locking differential is a traction device that stops one wheel from spinning faster than the other on the same axle. It helps the vehicle keep moving when one side loses traction.
Term
IFS
IFS means the front suspension is designed so each front wheel can move more independently. That can make some off-road builds harder because the suspension parts are more complex and take more work to strengthen for rough trails.
Term
rock-crawler build
A “rock-crawler build” is a truck or SUV set up to crawl over rocks slowly. It usually includes extra clearance and protection so the vehicle can survive bumps and scrapes.
Term
37s or 40s
“37s or 40s” means very large off-road tires, around 37 inches or 40 inches tall. Bigger tires can help the truck climb over obstacles, but they’re heavier and more expensive.
Car
4Runner Forerunners
The Toyota 4Runner is an SUV made for rough roads and off-road trails. It’s built to handle long trips and tough conditions, and people often modify them for camping and driving on dirt. The podcast mentions different generations because the 4Runner has changed over time.
Term
front-wench bumper
A winch bumper is a stronger front bumper built to hold a winch. The winch helps you pull yourself (or others) out if you get stuck off-road.
Term
skid plates
Skid plates are protective covers on the bottom of the truck. They help prevent damage when you hit rocks or drive over rough ground.
Term
33 to 35 inch tires
“33 to 35 inch tires” are big off-road tires. The bigger size helps the truck clear obstacles, and it’s part of the common build formula the host is criticizing.
Term
bolt-on market
The “bolt-on market” means aftermarket parts you can install without major custom fabrication. The host is saying that makes lots of builds look similar unless you choose different components.
Term
two to three inch lift
A lift raises your truck higher off the ground. That extra clearance can help you drive over obstacles without scraping the underside.
Term
33s
“33s” means the truck is running about 33-inch-tall tires. Larger tires can grip better and clear bumps, but they can change how the truck drives.
Term
rock sliders
Rock sliders are metal rails under the sides of a truck. They’re there to protect the body when you scrape or hit rocks on the trail.
Term
winch
A winch is a motorized cable that can pull a vehicle out of trouble. Off-roaders use it for recovery when they get stuck.
Term
Bilstein 5100 lift
Bilstein 5100 is a well-known suspension upgrade brand/model used to raise a truck a little. It usually means better shocks/struts set up for a higher ride height so the truck still drives reasonably well.
Term
long travel
Long travel means the suspension is set up to move farther up and down than normal. That helps the tires stay on the ground when you hit rough terrain.
Term
swing out
A “swing out” is a rear-mounted piece that opens like a door on hinges. Off-road rigs use it so you can reach the back of the truck more easily, often for a spare tire or gear.
Car
fifth gen forerunners
That phrase is talking about a specific generation of the Toyota 4Runner. Builders mention the generation because the truck’s body and mounting points change, so the same off-road parts don’t always fit the same way.
Car
third gen Tacomas
That phrase means a specific generation of the Toyota Tacoma pickup. Off-road builders talk about generations because the truck’s shape and mounting points change over time, which affects what mods will fit.
Car
Wrangler Rubicon
The Jeep Wrangler is an off-road SUV made for driving on trails. People often talk about it when they go on famous off-road routes like the Rubicon. In the podcast, they’re mentioning the kinds of comments that come up during those trips.
Place
Rubicon Trail
The Rubicon Trail is a well-known off-road trail in California. It’s famous for being challenging, and when you go there, people pay attention to how different trucks are built.
Part
shock towers
Shock towers are the strong mounting points where the suspension shocks bolt to the vehicle. Off-road builders sometimes redesign them so the shocks can move more without hitting other parts.
Term
12s
“12s” here likely means 12-inch shocks (bigger shocks). Bigger shocks can give more suspension movement, but they can also be harder to fit without hitting other parts.
Term
up travel
Up travel is how far the suspension can move upward when the wheel hits a bump. More up travel can help the tire stay on the ground, but it has to fit without rubbing or blocking other parts.
Term
full widths
In off-road slang, “full widths” usually means wider tire coverage—like fenders or flares that cover the tires more completely. It helps keep the truck cleaner and protects the body when you run bigger tires.
Term
forties
“Forties” usually means 40-inch tires. Bigger tires help off-road traction, but they often require lift and trimming so they fit without rubbing.
Term
frame rails
“Frame rails” are the main strong beams running along the truck’s length. If you mount a winch to the frame rails, the truck can handle the pulling force much better than if it were mounted only to the bumper.
Term
chrome bumper
A “chrome bumper” is the shiny bumper finish you often see on older or classic-looking builds. They’re saying the build kept the chrome bumper looking intact even with the winch installed.
Term
interstate
An interstate is a big highway where cars enter and exit using ramps. It’s usually faster and busier than regular roads, so merging takes more care.
Term
blinker
A blinker is your turn signal. It tells other drivers which way you plan to go so they can react safely.
Term
blind spot
A blind spot is a part of the road you can’t see from the driver’s seat. That’s why cars can “show up” when you change lanes, and why it’s important to check mirrors and be patient.
Term
slow lane
The “slow lane” is the lane where cars usually go slower on a multi-lane highway. The host is saying the other truck was in that lane, which made it harder to notice in time.
Car
Toyota Tundra
A Toyota Tundra is a big pickup truck. The host is talking about a second-generation Tundra with a V8 engine, and using it as an example of a car that can appear in your blind spot during lane changes.
Term
V8 5.7
“V8 5.7” means the truck has an 8-cylinder engine that’s about 5.7 liters in total size. The host is using it to identify which kind of Tundra it was.
Car
Jeep Cherokee
The Jeep Cherokee is an SUV, not a pickup truck. People use it for everyday driving, and some also modify it for off-road trails. In the podcast, they’re talking about a specific Cherokee that’s being built for that purpose.
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Welcome to the bilingual version of the snail trail 4x4.
This is the segment where one of us talks in Spanish the whole time.
The other one talks in English the whole time and we listen to your guys's
voicemails. So how are you doing, Jimmy?
Movie en gracias.
Perfect.
Anyways, this is Friday, which is snail mail or snail mail segment for everybody out
there.
CC.
CC.
Señorito.
No, that's I'm speaking in Spanish.
No, no, no.
That was Spanish, right?
Oh, okay.
I don't know what you just said.
I only speak Italian.
C.
Okay.
Cool.
Spray.
I can see.
You speak the German.
Russian.
Oh, is that Russian?
Oh, okay.
Any others?
Any others you got out there?
I can do this episode in sign language.
How's that?
There you go.
That would be fantastic for podcasting.
Yeah.
Good thing we are doing video.
Oh, I forgot about it.
Podcast video, sign language addiction.
Anyways, that would be funny.
We have a lot of voicemails.
Okay.
I'm ready for it.
Let's see.
We need to do like, uh, we need to do like a
round to speed around today.
I think we ended with 44 last time.
We're at 55.
Jeez.
Okay.
And seven text messages.
Okay.
Two of them look like they're spam.
So maybe five text messages.
But we're going to skip ahead in a voicemail.
Yes, we need to skip ahead.
Let's see.
I got a message.
Where's that Australian number?
Charles Locke saying that he actually called back in
and explained fanny packs.
There it is.
Okay.
All right.
I got the only Australian number in the lineup right now.
So we hope it's him.
So I hope it's him.
Why don't we save these things?
Oh, he's talking about the emo war.
Oh, all right.
Let's see.
Oh, no, he did mention fanny pack.
Okay.
Here we go.
Ready.
Yeah.
Charles here again.
Happy American Independence Day.
We'll probably hear this about Christmas.
Just replying about the emo war.
Yeah, it's a thing.
It happened.
Not our proudest day.
The emus did win.
And the fanny pack.
A fanny is the vagina.
So a vagina pack.
That's something I'd like to wear.
Anyway, I'll probably answer this on Discord.
So you get it sometime before the end of the year.
Gotcha.
Take your own.
Okay.
I've got questions.
All right.
We're ready.
Well, just like, why was there an emo war?
Why?
What was the, like, what is the story behind Australians fighting emus?
Like, is there, were they too many damn birds that you guys needed to clean out?
And you were just trying to, like, not, what's the dang word?
When you're trying to eradicate them?
Or what?
And isn't there a toad thing down there where there's like a spotted toad?
I'm not sure if that's the actual one, but some sort of toad that's just
overflows your streets that you can, that like, there's just times when you just
drive and you're just absolutely covering the road is covered in these toads.
And these toads, yeah.
You just like squish them all because there's nowhere else for you to go.
Yeah.
Like there's just a crazy amount of toads down there.
I, I've heard about that.
They, they hibernate or are born or something like in the mud.
Yeah.
And so when it all dries up, they let go dormant and they're, they're surviving
during the hot season.
And then when the wet season comes, they all show back up.
They come back out of the mud and mate and do all these other things, drink and
have a good party life.
Pretty much.
Yeah.
The emo war.
But before you go there, when I was in Costa Rica, driving around,
whenever it would rain, all the crabs would go to the high ground and that would
be the road.
And so you're just driving down these roads in Costa Rica with like thousands and
thousands and thousands of crabs on it.
Yeah.
And at first I'm like trying to weave.
So I'm not killing as many crowds or crabs.
And then at the end of the trip, I'm just like, fuck it.
Just straight through these things.
It's like when the butterfly migration is going on, going hot August nights.
Yeah.
Going up to honor.
We went down from Monterey to Pismo one time.
We were driving down there and the migration was going on.
My grill and window were covered in butterfly guts.
And I'm like, how was your motorcycle ride Jeremy?
He's like, it felt like gunshots.
He was just smack, smack, smack, just flying down the road.
He's like, they were just ducking behind the little tiny window that they had on the
Harley.
And I was just like, dude,
I cannot imagine.
That's crazy.
Okay.
Emoor.
So Emoor.
First off, a comment from our buddy over at botches off road.
Yes.
He said, we have an emu who's been running loose around the area for three to four weeks.
I tried catching him at three yesterday morning while I was working.
My fuckers are fast.
Yeah.
I heard that too.
That was funny.
All right.
So Nick from Montana.
Yes.
Of course he posted the Wikipedia page for the great emu war.
Okay.
And so the first paragraph kind of giving the highlight of it was botches comment also on
discord.
Yes.
Yeah.
So another shout out to the discord channel.
A lot of fun conversations there.
So Nick posted on the discord, the emu war or great emu war was a nuisance wildlife
management military operation undertaken in Australia in late 1932 to address public
concern over the number of emus large flightless birds indigenous to Australia said to have
been destroying crops in the campion district within the wheat belt of western Australia.
The unsuccessful attempts to curb the emu population led to the deployment of royal
Australian artillery soldiers armed with lewis guns leading the media to adopt the name
emu war when referring to the incident.
Although many birds were killed, the emu population persisted and continued to cause
crop destruction.
Got it.
That's funny.
I want to see if I can find there was there was a big like squirrel war.
Yeah.
You said that I want to say was in California that California lost.
I am in a battle with squirrels almost every day.
Like they've been stealing our tomatoes off of our tomato plant and we've like wrapped it in
like mesh and like hammered these little stakes down so they can't climb underneath and all
this stuff and somehow we are still losing tomatoes.
Yeah.
Like those little fuckers are just I don't know if they're super smart and we give them
not enough credit or they're just determined and figure out a way.
Yeah.
Okay.
So here's in 1918.
Okay.
California launched a state sponsored squirrel week to eradicate ground squirrels that were
destroying crops.
The state enlisted school children to hunt poison and gas rodents.
Wow.
Framing the campaign as part of World War One.
The government collected over a 100000 dollars in squirrel tails.
So they paid for squirrel tails.
Wow.
The government paid kids for squirrel tails.
And all that.
And we still have squirrels everywhere.
Yep.
There's a lot more information about it.
If I'll send that to the discord.
I'll send it to the discord here.
I'll copy.
Where's the copy link address?
Okay.
All right.
So there you go.
There's the little bit more about the emu war and the squirrel war, the squirrel war
and more about fanny packs.
There you are.
Yeah.
Rump.
Rump.
What do they call them?
Bump.
Bump packs.
Bump bags.
Bump bags.
Bump bags.
I like that name better.
I did too.
It's so much better.
Yeah.
Then a family bag.
I wear my boardies and my bum bag and I'm going to Mackers and my sunnies.
And your sunnies.
Yeah.
You're going to pop some pennies along the way.
Hell yeah.
Okay.
Next up for voicemails is Nick from Montana.
All right.
Nicholas.
Here we go.
Nick from Montana.
I am just listening to episode something, something.
I don't know the number, but it's Thursday on June 4th.
He is talking about metric versus imperial.
And I wanted to drop my weird obscure math knowledge on people.
The reason we have some like base 60 counting systems like the hour and degrees and all that
kind of stuff is thanks to ancient Sumerians or the Akkadian, one of them or maybe both.
They're kind of the same.
And they would use the knuckles on their hands so that you have three distinct, you know,
joint pieces of your finger.
So on one hand you can track with your thumb and go like 123
That's index finger, 456 would be the middle.
And then when you hit 12, you then use your other hand to indicate 10.
So you have multiples of five and 12, which then brings you up to 60.
60 is like kind of this fun number that is visible by like everything.
So like 23 and five are like the base primes.
And so pretty much using that, you can make any number that you want to make.
Anyway, that's all just revealed a bit more about myself than I'm perhaps nothing more on
that I portray on TV. Love your credit. I am gonna read.
I get the knuckle counting.
I don't technically. I feel like there's four joints here, not three.
It's like one on the hand and then three down your finger.
You don't count the tip.
You don't count the tip.
No, I always count the tip.
But there's if I have three joints on each finger, that's 12.
Okay. And that's where he's, so you're not including your thumb.
The thumb is not a finger.
Okay. That's all right. I'm with you.
And that's what I was getting lost. I'm like 12, 13, 14, 15.
Okay. So we're just doing fingers.
And then five, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40.
Well, there's three joints of five, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60.
Yeah. So there's 60 and 12.
That's how you can count 60 and 12, I guess.
And that's how you got, that's how the base 60 stuff came around.
Supposedly.
And 12 for like, I don't know, the clock calendar.
Clock calendar.
Not the clock calendar.
I guess I did not real. I mean, I guess that's true.
I just never really thought about it, but 60 is one of those numbers.
That's just divisible by everything.
They say 60 or 12.
60.
Okay. Yeah.
Well, it's all then that my argument to that is that's because it's base 10.
I have no argument for that one.
And now we're back to the metric system.
There you go.
Yeah.
In your face, Nick.
But yes, 12s and 60s are very easy when it comes to time and the clocks.
So right, 60 second minute, you know, and then there's 12 hours twice in a day, 24,
right?
Why can't you move to a 30 hour day?
I don't know.
What?
We went down this rabbit hole a long time ago.
I think we're talking about time zones and why?
Yeah.
Why do we run all the, it's, that's the same time referencing, but different numbers
for that time.
Whereas we were like, let's flip that around and have every time zone be the same number.
Yeah.
But a different time in the day, I guess that makes sense.
No, it doesn't.
3 a.m. in London, England could be the middle of the day.
Well, yeah.
Yeah.
It's when it's 3 a.m. in London is 3 a.m. here in California.
Exactly.
And that would be the middle of the night for us, but it's the middle of the day for London.
Right.
Yeah.
Well, actually it would probably be the middle of the night for them.
I mean, in theory, yes.
Because I couldn't think of the example that was 12 hours apart.
Okay, Jimmy.
Well, no, but Greenwich is zero.
I guess that's fair.
So Greenwich is zero.
So it'd be midnight for everybody in the world.
Yeah.
At midnight, it's everywhere in the world.
And it's actually what we, everybody right now would call midnight in Greenwich.
In Greenwich.
But for us, midnight would be early morning.
Yes.
So like what we think of as 7 to 8 a.m., but it's really midnight.
12 a.m.
It would be 8 p.m., wouldn't it?
We're backwards.
Are we?
I don't.
We're at 7 to 8 hours backwards.
So yes.
Midnight would be 2 to 3 p.m. here.
So there you go.
Yeah, it'd be the midnight.
It's midnight right now, Jimmy.
It would be late lunchtime.
And we're just being facetious.
I don't know if that would ever work, but it would put everybody on the same time.
So let's say you need to be somewhere at 4 p.m.
Everybody knows that 4 p.m. what that is for you.
And it doesn't matter around the world where you are.
It's always 4 p.m.
And one thing that's interesting.
So China, and I don't know if I think Rover Dawn might have said this too,
but China has one time zone.
Really?
Yeah.
All of China is on the same time.
I didn't know that.
So the real question is, is it working there?
Seems to be working.
Because if it's working in China,
then it makes no reason that it couldn't work the rest of the way around the world.
Yeah, I did not know that.
It just would be that a certain section of China might need to wake up
early or later, depending on the rise or fall of the sun.
But on the flip side, China is probably like,
no, you guys are all waking up at 8 a.m. no matter if it's day or night.
Yeah, it could be interesting.
Yeah, I don't know.
It would be a fun experiment.
Social, global social experiment.
We'll have to dive into this.
We could dive into this deep metric versus standards and time stamps
and how to actually organize the Gregorian calendar.
We'll do all that on our other podcast.
All right.
Next up is somebody from 805.
I always liked their strawberry blonde.
It's pretty good.
You know the story behind that?
It's a good beer.
It is a good beer.
One of the most popular blonde beers ever.
Yeah.
And one of the most definitely right now,
one of the most popular strawberry blonde beverages that everybody has had and likes.
If you're a beer person.
You know.
Craig probably knows.
Craig definitely knows.
All right.
So this person from the 805, I don't know who it is.
We'll see what we got.
Jimmy, I just want to thank you for sharing the story about the assistance.
Bad night.
I'm afraid that you will have lost any goodwill that you made from cleaning up the mess by
telling the world about the mess, but it was absolutely worth it.
We'll weigh in on your question about who should get to drink.
The person who knows the people or the people who know the person who doesn't know the crowd.
I think the problem with drinking, if you're the person who doesn't know the crowd,
is then you're kind of a jackass that nobody knows that gets drunk.
And you can just make a fool of yourself.
Whereas if the person that everybody knows is getting drunk,
it's just fun because everybody knows them already.
On another issue, I think everybody should go watch Tinkerer's design.
He's a guy on YouTube who does a lot of Toyota content.
He did a fantastic video breaking down a couple different E-lockers versus an ARB.
He tore them all apart and it's really, really great.
So I just want to give a shout out to him.
All right, hugging kisses.
Thanks. Oh, wait, I didn't say my name.
This is, I don't know.
I don't have a name.
Fitzgen-Zack from Southern California.
Also the one who has a pool business whenever you read out birthdays.
All right, bye.
Nice.
They're A-Z pool.
A-Z pool.
Something like that.
A-Z pool co or whatever.
Fitzzen-Zack.
Yeah, Fitzzen-Zack.
Fitzgen-Zack.
Yeah.
You gave yourself a name.
I don't know if that's allowed.
Yeah, I don't know if that's allowed.
And the second of all, my rebuttal is the assistant doesn't listen to this.
Yeah, all right.
So I'm safe unless one of you guys, somebody brings it up and then she'll just laugh.
I'm just going to take that section of recording and just send that to her.
You should.
You could, yeah.
She would laugh.
Okay, good.
I think she has a good enough sense of humor to be like, yep, yep, that was me.
Yeah, that's funny.
But I don't agree with you and I don't disagree with you in regards to who gets to drink.
I think that if you're the type of person that drinks and becomes a jackass,
maybe you shouldn't be that, then you might want to swap the roles.
But if you're the type of person that drinks and has a good time and is fun and just
wants to have a fun time, then I still feel that the person that is not
accustomed, not knowing the crowd should be the drinker because I think they'd be a little bit
more relaxed and loose and willing to talk to people.
And it should be the responsibility of the significant other to be like,
you're drunk, we need to leave, which I probably should have done a few hours prior.
But she was having a good time.
So let it run.
There you go.
Yep.
So thank you, Poolzack.
Sorry, calling him Poolzack.
A-Z, Poolzack.
A-Z, Pool, something like that.
Yeah.
I have to pull.
I have the birthdays up still.
Yeah, they're still.
All right, I'm trying to give him a shout out here.
If you're in Southern California, you need a pool guy.
This is your man.
He's actually a guy.
Yeah.
All right.
Next up is Boondock Brian.
Ooh, sweet.
Haven't heard from you in a while.
There we go.
Hey, what's up, guys?
This is Boondock Haverlock, Brian, out from North Carolina.
I am responding to Richard from Atlanta and his comment where he says he doesn't
see very many generic Toyota builds.
And in the rock-crawling world, I would agree with that because IFS.
So anything that has the IFS, it's a lot harder to build.
It's a lot more expensive to build.
So you're not going to see a generic rock-crawler build
like you do in the chief world where you freaking throw some springs on it, some 37s or 40s.
And hey, it's a rock-crawler.
Now, when you are going to find generic builds, and Richard, you're going to want to go search
overland Toyotas.
And I can say that because I have a generic Toyota build.
And this also goes for your third gen, fourth gen, fifth and sixth gen forerunners, your second
and third gen Tundras, your second, third, and fourth gen Tacomas.
Not so much as it was because people don't really know that much.
But I'm going to describe the build and it's basically every single one of them.
Front-wench bumper, rear bumper, sometimes a high clearance,
gliders, and you get your skid plates and you get about a two to three inch lift
and 33 to 35 inch tires everywhere.
And I think Jimmy and Tyler are right when they say it really kind of happened with the
bolt-on market.
You've got to do something to have yours stand apart from everybody.
Mine is very generic.
It has all those things on it.
The only thing that makes mine a little different is the companies I chose to
purchase my stuff from.
There are smaller companies, local companies.
I think two of them are out of the Midwest, one's out of North Carolina here.
Other than that, it is kind of hard to get your truck to kind of stand out.
But just open your eyes, you'll find generic builds.
I see them all the time.
Hell, I drive one.
Anyway, keep rolling.
Yeah, I'm glad what he said as a generic build didn't really fit my truck.
Yeah.
And only because...
Like Charlotte?
Charlotte, yeah.
Okay, I'm here.
Why not?
So I have a two to three inch lift.
I have 33s.
I have rock sliders.
I don't have bumpers, front or rear or a winch.
So I don't fully meet it.
I don't fully do...
I'm not exactly that.
Okay.
But it's pretty much it.
Yeah, it is.
But I also want to...
My only argument is that it's...
I mean, I've done the absolute minimum little stuff that you could do to that truck
to just make it barely more off-road capable.
I have a two to two and a half inch Bilstein 5100 lift.
And then I have rock sliders and tires and wheels.
Yeah.
That's it.
That's all I've done to that truck, roughly.
And if I were to build it up more, though, I would really try to do something unique and different.
Okay.
And I don't know what that would be.
Maybe more long travel or something or...
Yeah, I don't...
I'm not sure.
The problem with the world of Bolton, like we were talking about in that episode and Brian alluded at,
is every...
There's only so many ways that you can put something on.
And so there's only so many ways that you can design it to work,
because there's only a certain amount of ways to bolt it together.
And so you're kind of limited with that.
And every bumper is a bumper, but they all have like a little subtle difference,
but they're all still the same.
So it's...
I've always wanted to make my own bumpers and be like, it's completely different.
Yeah.
Let's look at Fiona for a second.
Fiona has it...
I don't know if Fiona's bumper, front bumper is bolt on, but it is personally made.
It's very custom made.
It's very custom made.
And it stands out to be as a different bumper than anything else on the market.
And the swing out, it is a custom made, completely different.
And so that's...
And the rear bumper, the way it cuts through the body panels.
Right.
Yeah.
It's custom made.
And so that is more the direction that I would have let...
I would go if I was going to build that rig up is a lot more custom made stuff.
And primarily only to make it stand out more.
Yeah.
Because that's the world of third gen Tacomas or fifth gen forerunners is it's all cookie cutter.
Yeah.
I agree.
When you're in the rock crawling world, yeah.
You've got to custom build things and make them to make it work.
And I think that's maybe that's the difference is when you start customizing it,
it really has to be custom to make it stand out.
That's, I keep telling, I think every time I go out on the Rubicon,
there's some comment made about, oh, look at that vehicle.
Look at that vehicle.
And I still think that's one of my favorite things about going out on the Rubicon Trail
is just sitting there and watching trucks.
Oh, yeah.
And seeing what custom engineering choices everybody has chosen
for their vehicle to be out there on the trail.
Sure.
And so I think it's a fun, really fun thing.
So yeah.
We had, what's her name?
Yeah.
Bailey was just here earlier today with her third gen Tacoma.
Sorry, third gen forerunner on forties and full widths.
And I'm looking under there and I'm like, okay, I'm in the middle of a build.
I'm building shock towers.
How did they do shock towers?
Like it's a different platform, but it's still close enough that I,
I swear they only have 12s in the front of that thing.
I don't think it's very large and the whole packaging, because it's 12s,
it's not as high up as mine is.
And they still were able to mount on top of the axle.
And it's not interfering with anything because it's not going up as much as mine does.
And they're still getting about three inches of up travel.
And I'm like, interesting.
So I'm trying to, I'm trying to fit a bigger package into a smaller hole.
You do that sometimes.
I do.
And this is where I'm running into problems.
But maybe I should switch my 12, 14s and 12s to front and back,
switch my 14s in the rear.
Ah, maybe you're more, you're more willing to cut into the bed in the rear.
So well, I'm willing to cut the fenders out anyway.
So that's true.
Yeah.
So I don't know.
It was just interesting seeing how that build was done compared to mine.
And I think a lot of it comes down to like,
Oh, that was just another third gen forerunner on full widths and forties.
But when you start looking at the inside,
like looking at how did they do one thing or how they do another,
a lot of it starts to become custom that way too.
It is.
I really, you're talking about bumpers.
I really liked the way they did the winch bumper,
her front bumper and her winch setup.
I didn't look at it.
Okay.
It's essentially a cradle, right?
Winch cradle that's in between the frame rails,
but it's set so far back that they cut out the profile,
the winch perfectly in the chrome bumper.
Oh.
So the chrome bumper and everything is still there.
Yeah.
But there's just this worn winch that's just perfectly cut out in the bumper.
Oh, that's neat.
It's pretty neat the way they did it.
Yeah.
I also, they followed the arc for the tires for the wheel well up
and they carried it through the bumper.
So it's like, has this cut out also up there, which is pretty neat.
Yeah.
So, yeah, let's see that cookie cutter builds some fun stuff out there.
And for sure there are definitely cookie cutter builds
in the Toyota world, just like there are in the JK world, the Jeep world.
All right.
Next up, Effie Bob.
Effie Bob.
What's up?
Here we go.
Jimmy Tyler, Effie Bob here.
Hi, Bob.
I just was listening to the episode of snail mail where they talked about merging and blinkers.
I used to drive truck.
Truck was governed at 65.
I was nice guy.
I'd always get over to the left, let people merge onto the highway at a particular exit on my route.
And then they camp next to me.
They get right up to the same speed and they'd sit there.
I only had two exits, very short exits till I had to get off the interstate.
So I'd turn on my blinker, give it about three blinks.
Then I'd put a tire to the center line,
give it about a three count, and then the truck was coming over.
I was figured anything else on the road coming down that on ramp.
They found brakes or gas really fast.
Also, it's becoming a habit, but I'm using the tundra to tow another Jeep.
Okay.
All right.
I feel that there's a problem there if you keep acquiring Jeeps.
Yeah, as a truck, yeah.
I was going to say, if I was a truck driver,
I'd probably just drive in the middle lane the entire time.
And that way, you pick your speed and you go,
and then people merging on and off or whatever have to work around you
and drive all the way around you and deal with it.
But then he was like, yeah, I had to exit.
I'm like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.
Yeah.
I mean, you'd be as courteous as you can, but at the same time,
if you're being courteous and people around you are still like, no, fuck off,
I'm moving over.
I've got a much bigger vehicle.
I will win this fight.
I'm sorry.
I've given you an opportunity.
You're not, you're not returning it.
So I'm taking it now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's hard to see the blinkers of full of semis if you're on the side of the semi.
They have them going down the side of the, the semi to nail the trailer.
They should, they should have at least one in the middle of the trailer.
Yeah.
And usually their blinkers up front are out a little bit, but this is also stating that
I hope that person that is driving that vehicle is paying attention to something like that.
Yep.
So I do.
So I don't know.
I don't have the answer.
I think if, you know, there's half the battle of like people need to pay more attention to
what's going on around them.
And the other half the battle is, you know, I, I hate going the same speed as somebody else.
If I'm in the slow lane to the fast lane,
and I'm cruising and then I'm going the same speed as the person next to me.
I'm always speeding up just to get slightly ahead of them,
especially if you're a little ways back and you might be in the blind spot.
I'm like, this person, I'm cruising the same speed as this person.
And he might not even know, or she might not even know I'm there.
Yep.
And so yeah, I just changing lanes into somebody's blind spot.
I'm like, that's a big no, no for me.
I will always avoid doing that as anytime I can.
I don't care how open the lane is.
I will wait until another opportunity to change lanes into somebody's blind spot.
Right.
So I merged onto the freeway the other day and I looked over my shoulder.
I looked in my mirror and I started merging into the,
in this case, number three lane, the slow lane.
And I started, I was probably halfway in the lane and I looked back in my mirror again
and there's a big ass white tundra there.
I'm like, where'd you come from?
Where the fuck did this come from?
The only thing I could think of is they merged into the slow lane.
As I was going from the freeway and I'm like, good thing I double checked because this person
is in the way and they didn't move.
They like didn't, they stayed, there was nobody else around really.
And they stayed in that lane and I just was, I pulled back over and accelerated more and
beholden in front of them.
But I was just like, where did this guy come from?
And I mean, maybe it was a blind spot thing and I just, but it was like a gen two tundra,
big SF, you know, V8 5.7 version.
I'm like, that's a big blind spot.
If that's the case, but I had no idea where this guy came from.
So if you are listening, white tundra, I apologize.
I did not see you.
All right.
Bob called back.
Okay.
So let's hear what.
He got disconnected.
Maybe.
Here we go.
Hey guys.
Just you Bob again.
I thought I'd say before anybody complains about my driving, the nickname is FQ Bob.
And telling me I'm an asshole.
It's kind of like telling me I'm bald.
I know and it's on purpose.
Have a good one.
Perfect.
I like it.
He called back again.
Okay.
All right.
What do you say here?
Hey guys, if you Bob again, of course, I'm driving somewhere and it made me think throw
back to talk about some snacks before.
One of my road trip stops includes Casey's gas station for their pizza.
Everyone loves their pizza.
Fun fact, they are the fifth largest pizza chain in the world and they're a gas station.
They're not even a pizza chain.
So interesting.
Just fun fact there.
If you're ever driving by one, I like the sausage.
It's not greasy like pepperoni.
All right.
Talk to you guys later.
I enjoy a good greasy pepperoni.
Yeah.
Just saying.
Where was this?
Casey's gas station.
Casey's gas station.
Never heard of it.
Never.
Yeah.
Me neither.
But next time I see one, I'm going to have to pull over for the pizza apparently.
Can anybody confirm Casey's gas station has amazing pizzas?
Please call in.
Let us know.
Back up FU Bob.
Validate his claims.
Yeah.
I will say, speaking of, I think that is fascinating that a gas station has the fifth
largest pizza chain in the world.
But I would like to give a big shout out to California.
Yay.
We just moved up again another spot in global GDP.
To number two.
To number four.
We were five.
Okay.
So I thought we were okay.
I think I knew this and then I was like, wait, we moved up again.
Yeah.
Now, yeah, we were number five and we just beat out Japan.
Geez.
So we're now number four and it's USA, China.
I think Germany or Russia, one of those two and then California.
Dang.
And it's funny because if you still, if you remove California from USA, USA is still number one.
Yeah.
I think USA is a 12 billion, 12 trillion.
I forget what B or T it is.
And then California is five.
Something like that.
So you take that out.
We're still seven.
I know.
I think that puts us behind China.
Oh, okay.
Or no, it's China 12.
I don't know now.
I have to go back and look at the stats again.
Oh, well.
I just remember we moved up.
We're now number four.
Yay.
We beat Japan.
California beat Japan.
In the World Cup too.
Even though we didn't play, but we outlasted them.
Perfect.
Yeah.
Next up, here we go.
Time for one more.
Yeah, Justin from Texas.
Ah, sweet.
Here we go.
Hey, what's up guys?
This is Justin from Texas.
First time caller here.
Been listening to you guys on and off for a little bit, drifting over from the other four
wheeling podcast.
Their traffic's been a little light lately, but I think I can migrate both sides of the fences.
Got up to 85 forerunner that has not been getting much attention in the past few years
and a big Philly Cherokee I'm building now.
But I wanted to piggyback off of y'all one of the other calls about camp food.
And I think I'm going to blow your mind here.
Quick story.
We have a cabin up in Colorado we go to on the summer.
One little lodge that serves food.
Sometimes we caught them at the end of their day.
And they're like, yeah, I know, come on in, come on in.
We were just wrapping up.
We both just had our peanut butter and pickle sandwiches.
So we're good to go now.
And I was super curious about this.
And they said they do, the guy in the couple does like a, what is it,
bread and butter pickles and peanut butter?
And then she did, deal.
But it just sounded so bizarre that as soon as we got to our next destination
leave in Colorado, I had to give it a shot.
And gotta say it doesn't suck.
Can't not get to try it.
But if you're curious, get after it.
And I will be trying this overnight oats thing because I don't like to start the
day cleaning up messes and cooking myself.
So cool.
Good chat guys.
We'll haul her back at you soon.
Get yourself peanut butter and pickle sandwich later.
Jimmy.
Yes.
You're the PB and H expert.
Yes.
Have you had a PB and D?
Have you really?
So is it good?
I'm not a fan of bread and butter pickles.
Okay.
I don't know why I'm not.
It's just not my pickle.
I don't know.
I was going to say jam, but it's not a.
What about a dill pickle?
So I haven't done it with dill.
Okay.
So I think I'll try it.
I'll definitely give it a, I'll give it a whirl.
But I've had bread and butter pickle bread and peanut,
peanut butter and bread and butter pickle sandwich before.
And like I said, I'm just not a fan of the bread and butter style.
So I didn't like it as much.
I'd be like, I'd rather have honey or rather have some jam
or jelly of some sort.
But I'll try it with dill.
I'll do it for you, Justin.
There you go.
Also, thanks for calling in.
Cool.
First time caller.
Heck yeah.
I do like the bread and butter chip pickles.
Okay.
I used to drink the pickle juice from a button when I was in tennis.
I do that for with the dill stuff.
But yeah, it's a, I do really enjoy the bread and butter chip pickles
and I will eat an entire jar if I get to sit down and just snack on them.
Have you ever heard of somebody doing like a shot of some sort of alcohol
and a pit with a pickle back?
No.
Okay.
So it's like, Hey, I want to buy a shot with a pickle back.
So they give you a shot of vodka and then they pour you a shot of like pickle juice.
As a chaser.
As a chaser.
Okay.
And I'm like, but I like both of these.
I want to mix them together.
I just end up drinking them both.
Yeah.
I'm like, I want whiskey and a pickle back because I just want the pickle juice.
Yeah.
So that's, that's pretty good.
I'm, I'm glad you shared that.
I believe I've added the overnight oats recipe to the episode,
but maybe I'll write a blog article for it and then I'll link that down here as well for you,
Justin, so that you can have an easier way to see how everything is.
Cool.
Yeah.
Speaking of blog articles on Monday's episode,
I did a blog article of our top 10 off-roading tips.
Oh, that's nice.
Okay.
Sweet.
Should we do, doing pretty good?
Let's do another one.
Let's do another one.
We got some catching up to do.
All right.
This is Sophia.
Oh, girl listener.
Oh, no, it's a, it's a bad translation.
No, it's a good translation.
It's a, uh...
Robocall.
Robocall.
Oh, bummer.
She just wanted to call and edit videos.
Did you want to talk to her?
Oh, not again.
Okay.
How do I delete it?
There we go.
All right.
Richard from Atlanta.
Okay.
Here we go.
Tyler, Jimmy is Richard from Atlanta.
Man, I was listening to, uh, I don't know, episode 713.
Something came up about days of thunder.
Tyler, I'm getting ready to go in on you.
How the hell have you not seen that movie, sir?
Robert DeVall, Nicole Kidman.
Stop the car, Cole.
Stop the car.
Tom Cruise.
Dude, it's an epic man movie.
You need to go see a rent or download that epic man movie.
So good.
Just calling to give you hell about that.
Surely everybody else that calls into the podcast has seen that movie.
Tyler, have you heard of Top Gun?
Heard of what?
I had another topic, but I think I'm just going to keep it to this
and not call back for another few days.
That way I'm not leaving multiple subjects and having multiple calls.
That way the snail mail can be efficient and effective
and answering other people's questions.
Anyway, y'all take care.
Appreciate all the work y'all do, all the episodes.
The discord server seems to be popping at different points in time.
So it's good, good information, insight, and what people got going on in there.
So it's kind of cool.
I don't know.
I'm kind of considering this one of my more lame voicemails,
but whatever y'all have at it, see if you can answer it back.
Tyler, go see that movie, sir.
Y'all keep calling.
Oh, damn.
My father never called me.
God, I see y'all.
Just write it down, Richard.
Write it down and call us back in four days or something like that.
Yeah, I have not seen Dizz Thunder.
Apparently I need to.
Have you heard of Top Gun?
Top Shot.
Top Gun.
I've heard of Top Shot.
What's that?
It's a TV show of these expert marksmen that do all these different shooting competitions
with all sorts of different systems, weapon systems, from atlattles to pistols to grenade
launchers, different kinds of rifles, snipers, all sorts of different things.
It's a really, really cool show, Top Shot.
They do some very impressive things on that show.
So what's Top?
You liar.
You are such a bad liar.
I'm not.
You take that back.
You seriously have never seen Dizz Thunder, though?
No, I haven't, yeah.
Have you seen?
What's the one with Will Ferrell about driving the
the shake and bake video?
Come on.
You've seen that one.
You haven't seen that one either?
You're smirking.
You know the one I'm talking about.
Oh my God.
I know which one you're talking about.
I can't think of the name right now.
Everyone's screaming at their radios.
I've seen parts of it.
I have not seen the whole thing all the way through.
Oh, okay.
It sounds like you and I need to have a sleepover and a movie marathon.
Okay, let's do it.
We'll kick the assistant out and have her go hang out with the secretary
and they can watch their scary movies and then you can come up and hang out with me
and we'll watch some racing movies.
Can we go do this at Windy Camp instead?
Sure.
Okay, cool.
Can we get a projector and a screen?
Oh, hell yeah.
We can ask Flynn.
He has it.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll just steal his and we'll go out to Windy Camp and we'll do a movie night.
Are we going to invite listeners or just you and me?
Do we have?
We have peanut butter and dill pickle sandwiches the whole weekend.
Yeah, only if Justin comes out.
No, that's funny.
Yeah, it definitely sounds like I need to watch Days of Thunder.
It's probably, I mean, it might be a little dated now,
but I think it would still be a good movie.
It's going to be one of those when I rewatch and be like,
yeah, that wasn't as good as it used to be or we'll see if it's held up.
I don't know, like I'm, I'm so, I like cheap thrills in movies.
Yeah.
Right.
So like, uh, and I don't want to say cheap.
I don't have cheap those that way.
I like high cinematic production in movies.
Right.
And so I have a big problem when I watch older movies that are outdated,
even if they're a really good storyline, if they're like
not high end production graphics and sparkly things and lights going off everywhere,
I'm usually just get bored.
Yeah.
Well, I guess we'll, one way to find out.
Yeah.
It was probably high end for its time.
Okay.
But maybe that's one of, maybe it's not holds up to time now.
So I really, really, really enjoyed, um, uh, Ford vs Ferrari.
Yes.
Did you finally watch that?
I watched a long time ago.
But yeah, I really enjoyed that movie.
So I don't know if Days of Thunder is anything similar to that,
but I really enjoyed Ford vs Ferrari.
I also really enjoyed the world's fastest Indian.
Yes.
That is a surprise.
That one's older outdated.
Dude.
And I, I, that was such a good movie.
That is such a heart twisting movie.
Yeah.
Such a great movie where Bert Monroe is just like this guy that you cannot hate.
Yeah.
And it's just, he does silly things and it, and he overcomes all these odds.
And yeah, that one's so cool.
But it's like, you can't do that.
And he goes, well, what do I need to do to do it?
Well, I can't tie.
Yeah.
Why can't I just won't take no for an answer?
That's great.
Well, what if I did XYZ?
Yep.
Yeah.
If you guys haven't seen Richard from Atlanta, if you haven't seen world's fastest Indian,
I don't know.
I don't even know if I can call you a friend anymore.
We can do a streaming night on discord.
Can we?
Yeah.
Yeah.
We can totally share a screen and if you can buy it or play it on YouTube.
Or something.
Play the video.
Or if you have a digital copy on your, on your computer.
I have, I probably have a digital copy of world's fastest Indian.
Yeah.
I mean, we could always do a movie night on discord.
That would be so funny.
Screen a couple of movies and shows up.
I don't know the legality behind that.
I mean, I know that it's physically possible for us to do.
But I don't know if we're allowed to show.
We're not making money off the movies.
Yeah.
I think that's the, that's the big key part is if you're making money or not
on them.
But I don't, I don't know.
It's a good question.
Yeah.
I'll look into it.
That could be kind of fun.
Like maybe let us know.
Do you guys want to have a days of thunder night on discord and when we could show it
and everybody could sit around on their phones or computers or whatever,
however you can access a discord.
I bet you could even stream it to your TV.
If you have a way to connect to your phone or computer,
Wi-Fi screencast it to your TV and we could all watch days of thunder together.
That'd be funny.
If that's the case, maybe we can do that with Trail Hero X too.
Oh, that's a great idea.
I didn't think about that.
That'd be fun.
Okay.
Yep.
And then we can get the whole community and we'll have to play around with this
idea and see if it's a, it's definitely feasible, but like,
is it going to be way too rowdy to be able to pay attention to the movie?
Or do we just shut off everybody's audio and you only do a chat room?
Yeah.
We'd have to mute everybody and there would be a chat room.
Okay.
Interesting.
And we can all make fun of Tom Cruise.
Woo!
Yeah.
And Jimmy.
And Nicole Kidman.
They're the same height.
What?
Nicole Kidman.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I wouldn't make fun of Nicole Kidman.
I know.
She's hot.
She's so hot.
All right.
That does it for snail mail today.
Thank you everybody for calling in.
Thank you for the great, uh, topics and entertainment and entertaining things to
talk about.
So, uh, if you guys want to call in and have feedback for us on anything from the
snail trail, four by four podcast, so Monday, Thursday, discord, Fridays,
episodes, whatever it is, give us a call at 916-345-4744, leave us a voicemail,
and then we'll go over them like we did today and, uh, chat about emu wars,
squirrel wars, days of thunder, fanny packs, and all sorts of fun things.
Whatever you have called has been disconnected.
Uh, then what does it, Jimmy?
Sounds good.
All right.
Then have a great week and everybody.
We'll see you Monday.
Bye-bye.
About this episode
Voicemails drive the bilingual “snail mail” segment, mixing off-road banter with surprisingly deep rabbit holes. Listeners trade stories about the infamous “great emu war” in Australia—complete with artillery and crop-destruction context—then compare it to a “squirrel war” campaign in California. The crew also riffs on metric vs imperial, where base-60 time/angle math may trace back to ancient knuckle counting. Between jokes about fanny packs/bumbags and wildlife road chaos, it’s equal parts history lesson and roadside humor.
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This Week’s Callers
- Caller 1: Charles Loch talks about the Emu War
- Caller 2: Nick from MT talks about Metric and Imperial
- Caller 3: 5th Gen Zac says who gets to drink
- Caller 4: Boondock Brian says there are generic Toyotas out there
- Caller 5/6: FU Bob talks about merging
- Caller 7: FU Bob says he loves Pizza
- Caller 8: Justin from TX talks about camp food
- Caller 9: Richard from Atlanta can’t believe Tyler hasn’t seen Days of Thunder
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