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Butasfarasatechnician,IjustsatbackandlookedatwhatIcouldbuildtoactuallytrainandreallyassistalotoftheseyoungguysthatstrugglewithreadingandcomprehensionorpullupaschematicandgetterrified.
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Whatarealltheselines?
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It'saforeignlanguage.
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Andsothat'swhatIbuilttheapp.
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BeyondtheWrenchwithJayGaninenfromRenchway.
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WelcomebacktoBeyondtheWrench.
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MynameisJayGaninen,andIamyourhost.
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Today'sguestisAnthonyCalhoun,anASCmastertechnicianwithmorethan25yearsofexperience,whostillworksinahigh-volumeGMdealershipeveryday.
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Beyondtheshop,AnthonyisthefounderofAWCConsulting,authorofWhyTechsLeaveandHowtoKeepThem,andcreatorofApexTechNation.
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Inthisepisode,we'regoingtodiscussalotofdifferentthings,industryrelated.
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AndwhatIIbelieveI'mreallygoingtoloveaboutthisconversationisjustthattrue,candidfeedbackontheindustryandhowmaybewecanbetterunderstandtechniciansatisfactionasawhole.
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Welcometotheshow,Anthony.
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Soyouarewhereareyoulocatedat?
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Cincinnati,Ohio,bornandraised?
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DoyousayOhioanorwhatwhatdowesaythere?
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We'llwe'llstickwiththat.
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ButuhreallyinterestingbackgroundasIgottoreadaboutwhatyou'redoing,andsomuchofwhatyou'redoing,Ithink,isforthebettermentoftheindustryandreallyappreciateallofthat.
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Butwheredidallofthisstartat?
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Whatgotyouintoautomotivetobeginwith?
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Um,well,honestly,IjustkindofknewgrowingupIneededtopicksometypeofskillsettokindof,youknow,didn'tcomefromagoodbackground.
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AndIkneweverybodyaroundme,didn'treally,youknow,haveagoodeducation.
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Idon'twanttosaygoodeducation,butyouknow,Iknewmywayout.
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Ihadtoreallypicksometypeofskilltradeandgotovocationalschool.
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Itwas,youknow,freethroughhighschool.
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AndIpickedcarpentryandautomotive.
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Ididn'tknowanythingabouteither.
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Endedupinautomotive,andit'slike,thisain'tthatbad.
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Andyouknow,Istartedinvocationalschoolandgraduatedthatin01.
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That'swhereIstartedmyfirstdealershipinplacement.
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AndItooktheASAP,GMASAPprogramrightafterthat,andgraduatedthatin03,andI'vebeenatiteversince.
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Uh,that'sthat'sreallycool.
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Whatwhatwasitthatappealedtoyou?
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Andkindofgoingback,uhyoutalkedaboutwantingtoworkwithyourhands.
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Wasitbecauseyouthoughtcarswerecool?
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Wasitbecauseyou'relike,hey,IjustknowthatIIcouldprobablybeprettygoodatthis?
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Like,whatgivemeanideaoflikekindofwhatwentthroughyourmindasyou'remakingthatdecision?
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Well,Imean,honestly,Iwasinahighschoolthatwaskindofgettingintroublein,andyouknow,IjustdecidedvocationalschoolsoundedlikewhereIcouldlearnsomething,learnsometypeofskillset.
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Itreallydidn'tevenhavetobewithmyhands.
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Andyouknow,IjustIjustpickedcarpentryautomotive.
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LikeIsaid,itwasnotsupposedto.
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Ididn'tknowanythingaboutacarbesidesgasandgobeforethat.
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Ineverhitanailoncarpentry.
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Ijustum,youknow,itwassomethingjusttellingmetogo,Ineedtolearnaskilledtrade,andyouknow,anditworked,right?
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Likeyouyou'venowbeeninitforalongtime.
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Inthoseearlydays,that'ssomethingwetalkalotaboutisishowdowekeepmoremoreofouryoungpeopleintheindustry.
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Uh,didyoufindthattoughwhenyougointoashopenvironment?
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Orwasitdiditfeelnaturaltoyou?
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Uhitlikegivemeanideaofwhatthoseearlydayslooklike.
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Well,honestly,whenIstarted,yeah,itwasitwasdefinitelydifferentthanwhatitistoday.
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SoIstartedasayouknow,anoilchange,youknow,basicallychangingoil.
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Andalltheolderguys,itwasitwasdefinitelyadifferenttime.
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Nobodywantedtohelpyou.
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Um,anditwasjustatimewhereIhatekindofgivingtoomanydetails,butI'vehad,youknow,Iwasthey'dalmostmakefunofyou,youknow.
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They'dbelike,oh,it'sjustaquickluber.
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Youknow,itwasait'sabigshop,youknow,25,26technicians.
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AndI'msurethey'reusedtoseeingabunchofyoungguyscomingandgoing.
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Umandyeah,itwasitwasdefinitelyroughcomingintoit,butlikeIsaid,Ikindofhadaroughbackground,soitdidn'treallybothermeany.
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Um,IjustknewthisisthisiskindofwhatI'mdoing,andthisis,youknow,Ijustlockedinandandgotatit.
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Andyouknow,eventuallyyou'llyouknow,youearntherespectandandkindofmoveupandstufflikethat.
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Butyeah,it'smuchdifferentnowadays.
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Youknow,nobody'sreallyhasthatmentality.
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Imean,thiswasbackin01.
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Um,everybody,allalltheolderguyswerelikespecialtyguys.
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So,youknow,ifyouyougotadrivabilityguyandyou'rewhattolearndrivability,oh,theyyouknow,theythinkyou'retakingtheirwork,andyouknow,theytrytocomplainaboutit.
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Itwasdefinitelyanditwasthesamethingthen,youknow,gettingin,theywouldalltellyou,don'tgetinthisindustry,likeyouknow,getout,don'tdoit,don'tdoit.
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Andyouknow,it'sjustunfortunatebecauseit'sit'sbeenlikethatasfarasIcanremember,yeah,andit'sonlygottenworse,really.
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Youknow,soit'swell,andIthinkthere'ssomelevelofiit'salmostit'sfrustratingtome,right?
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BecausewhenIseethatcycle,alotoftimessomeofthose,uhespeciallywhenyouandIwerestartingoffinthebusiness,Ithinksomeofthoseolderguysthenwerekindofbroughtintothebusinessthatthatwaytoo,right?
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Theywerebroughtinkindofthatoldschoolway,figureitout,uh,youknow,kindofeverymanforthemselves,andandkindofjustthatdifferentmentalitytowhereittheytheydidn'tknowanydifferent,right?
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Tototreatthenewpersonanydifferent.
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Andovertime,Idoseethesamethingyoudo,whereIIgetthesensethatmaybewe'restartingtoheadintherightdirection,wheremaybewearetakingalittlemoreinterestinyoungpeopleandandreallymaybehowwehowwetalktothemandhowweinteractwiththemandbeingalittlebitmoreintentional.
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IIthinkthere'salwaysgoingtobethat,hey,youknow,let'sgiveeachotherahardtime,oryouyouknow,likesomeofthatkindofribbing,butIdothinktherearetimeswheremaybethatkindofcrossedthelinealittlebittoo,right?
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Wheremaybeit'suhit'salittletoomuch.
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Yeah,itwasdefinitelytoomuch.
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AndI'mnotnottryingtoknockthoseguys.
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Istillknowalotofthoseguys,andyouknow,they'regreatguys,butthere'ssomethingaboutwhenyoupackagaragefullof20men,youknow,itit'syou,youknow,youuhyoujokealot,youkindof,youknow,Idon'twanttosayhazing,butyouknow,thebackthenthat'skindofwhathappenedwhenyou,youknow,whenyoustarted,itwaskindofyouknow,youyouhadtokindofearnyourrespect.
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AndIdon'tthinkit'sasfaraswhenIsaidIgotitgotworse,Idon'tthinkthat'sgotworse,that'sgotwaybetter.
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LikeeverybodyIknownowloveshelpingeachother,theyloveyouknowhelpingtheyoungguysgrow.
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Butasfarasindustryandtheamountofpeoplethatyouknowareactuallycomingintoit,uhlikeschoolsizesarecutinhalf,youknow,it'sjustgotabadstigma.
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Anditit'sreallygottachangeifwewannakeephavingkidscominginthisindustry.
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Yeah,andIagreewithyou.
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Now,IIdowanttokindofdiveintogoingthroughthecourseofyourcareer.
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Whendidyoufeelcomfortablegoingintotheshopintermsofskillsetandabilitytotoproperlyrepairavehicle?
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Youknow,IIthinkittakesalittlebitoftime,andespeciallyforyou,maybenotstartingoffintheindustryandandkindofworkingyourwayin.
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Uh,howlongdidittakeyoutotrulyfeelcomfortableandconfidentininyourwork?
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Honestly,ititdidn'ttaketoolong.
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Andthat'sreallybutitwasadifferenttime.
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AndItheacetheGMASAPprogram,programslikethatIcouldn'tspeakhighlyenoughof.
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IfeellikeIcameout,yeah.
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IfeellikeIcameout,andnotonlyareyoulearningthenewthetechnologyofthatday,likeIcameoutofthatprogramknowingaboutstuffthattheguyswho'sbeentherefor20yearsdidn'tevenknowwasgoingon,youknow.
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Yeah,andprogramslikethatIjustyouknowcouldn'tbragorboastenoughabout.
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ButandIthere'stimeswhereIfeelliketheygetabadrapuhforyouknow,ififmaybethey'rebringingayoungpersonintointotheshopanduhtheydon'tknoweverythingrightoffthebat,whichstillkindofblowsmymindthatweevenhavethatexpectationthatthatayoungperson'sgoingtoknoweverythingrightoffthebatbecausefranklytheydon'thavetheexperienceyet.
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Butthattypeofprogram,whenyou'rewhenespeciallywhenyou'rewhenyou'remakespecific,right?
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You'reyou'regoingtothatGeneralMotorsprogram,you'reyou'relearninghowtoworkonthatstuff,right?
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Andyou'relearningkindofsomeofthatspecific,andlikeyoutalkedaboutthelatestandgreatest,andandsomeofthestuffthatuhthatmaybeyouwouldn'tgetotherwise.
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AndIII'mreallyhappytohearthatgaveyouthatconfidenceearlyon,becauseIIthinkthat'ssomethingthatalotofyoungtechniciansreallystrugglewith.
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Andyouknow,reallylikewhenyoulet'ssayyougetaflowchart,youknow,diagnosticflowchart,ititwilloverwhelmyouifyoudon'tknowyouknowthebasicjustbasictesting.
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Becauseyouknow,OEM,theymayhaveaflowchartthat's12stepslong,butit'sgotfivestepsinbetweeneachstep.
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Andonceyouunderstandhoweverythingworks,youknowwhatashortthegroundtestis,shortthevoltagetestis,youcanskimthatflowchartandjustprocessitandsay,okay,itwantsmetogodoashorttheground,shortthevoltagetestonthesecircuits.
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Wheresomebodywhoyouknowdon'tknowanyofthat,theyyouknowtheygostepbystepbystepbystep.
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SoalotoftheyoungguysIteach,andyouknow,I'mlike,here,I'llI'llprintoutinstructions,findthemvideosorwhatever,likehere,studythisathome.
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No,knowwhatallthesetestsare,andyou'llbewaymoreconfidentandwayquicker.
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UmbutalsolikewhenIstarted,itwasadifferenttime.
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Imean,ifyouthinkaboutlikejustakeylessentrysystem,likebackthenyouhadaremotecontroldoorlockreceiver,akeyfob,andayouknow,bodycontrolmodule.
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Nowyougotyouknowninedifferentantennas,fourothermodules.
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Youknow,it'sit'scrazy.
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Yeah,theamountofcomplexityhaschangedsomuch.
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Ititismoredifficultforayoungguytocomeinandjustgraspeverything.
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Andyouknow,IrememberIyouknow,I'vewatchedawholethingoflikeserialdatajustgrowandgrow,youknow,andit'sIremembereverytimeitchanged,we'relike,ohman,ohman,andit'sit'sonlygottenmorecomplex.
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Andit'swhenIstarted,ititwaswaysimpler.
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Youknow,youcouldjustcomein,hustle,andyoucouldout-hustleyourlackofexperience.
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Andnowadaysit'sit'sharderandhardertodo.
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Soit'syeah,thereIIjustrememberwhenIstartedmycareer,andIIalwaystalkaboutthispubliclythatIwasnotagoodtechnician,right?
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AndIIalmosttakeprideinthatbecauseitfeltlikemypositionintheindustryshouldbedifferentthanthat,butIreallyhavethatappreciationforgoodtechnicians.
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OneofthethingsIstruggledwithandIcameoutofschoolaboutthesametimeyoudid,wasbeingterrifiedofmakingamistake,right?
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Soininthatshopsetting,itfeelslikeit'ssopublicwithintheshopifyouscrewup.
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AndyouIthinkinalotofcasesforyoungpeopleputalotofpressureonthemselvesbecauseit'ssovisiblewhenyoumakeamistakeinashop,oritfeelslikeeverybodyknowsaboutitandyougetayouyouknow,goingbacktogettingthehardtime,youscrewsomethingup.
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Well,you'retalkingabouttheadvancementintechnologyandthecomputers.
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Irememberbackthenbeinglike,ifIfryanECM,IamImightbefired,right?
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LikeIthisisthisisnotgonnagowell.
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AndsoIwasalwayssoterrifiedtomakeamistake.
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Yetthere'ssomelevelofwhereyoualmosthavetomakesomemistakestolearn,right?
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Likeyouyouhavetogothroughsomethings,andandsoII'dbecuriousastomaybewhatyouradviceistoayoungpersonthatmightbegoingthroughasimilarexperiencetome,wheremaybetheytheyareinthattoughspotrightnowwhereandweknowhowthatgoes,right?
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Likeyoumakeamistakeanditseemstosnowball,andthere'slikemoreandmore,youknow,itkindofonemistakebuildsonanother.
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AndI'veseenthisoverandoverwithyoungtechswhereI'mlike,justtakeastepback,takeabreath.
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Uh,youit'snottheendoftheworld,it'sfixable,right?
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Andit'ssoI'djustbeinterestedtohearkindofyourmindsetormaybewhatyoudidsowelltheretobeabletokindofgetthroughthat.
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Yeah,andII'lltellyou,youknow,theguysIsaidthatwereroughonyou,theygavemesolikeIjustsimpleinformation,right?
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Iaskedoneguy,what'sthewhat'sthebesttipyoucouldgiveme?
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Andhesaid,justdon'tovercomplicatethings.
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Hesaid,youknow,everythingeverytimeheseessomebodystruggle,they'reoverthinkingorovercomplicating.
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AndIseethatalot,youknow,withyoungguys,it'sjusthardforthemtomakeadecision,especiallyifit'slikeacontrolmoduleorsomething.
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Youknow,youyousaidyouwereworriedaboutfryingcontrolmodules.
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Well,whenyougottopriceoneoutorsendoneupforwarranty,youknow,you'rebecauseit'sreallyjustaprocessofelimination,andyou'reyouknow,youdoeverythingyoucanupuntilthatpoint.
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AndwhenIstarted,GMpaid0.3
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todiagnoseavehicle.
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That'sallyouyouhad18minutes,they'veexpandedthatyouknowupintoanhouratthispoint.
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Butyouin18minutes,you'reyougottamakeadecision,andthat'swhatthose,youknow,theolderguystaughtmeisdude,ifyoudon'tmakeadecisiononit,youcan'tjustsithereandstareatit.
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AndIthinkmanagementexpectationshasmoretodowiththatthantheactualyouknowtechnicianbecauseuhyouknow,ifyou'rehiringaayoungguy,youshouldexpecthe'sgonnabreaksomestuff.
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He'sgoing,youknow,wewealldoit,youknow.
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ItandImydealershipdidn'treally,youknow,therehonestlytherewasn'tthatfear.
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Um,youknow,theyknewthat'shuge.
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Yeah,theyknewtherewas,youknow,mistakesweregonnabemade.
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Andaslongasyoulearnfromitandmoveon,youknow,thatthat'sthebigthing.
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Ifyoukeepmakingthesamemistakeoverandoverandover.
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Yeah,anduh,andofcoursetherewasone-timepolicies,youknow,youleaveawheellooseandreturnittothecustomer.
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That'syouknow,unfortunately,movingonatthatpoint,butthatalsomadeyoudoublecheckyourwheels,youknowwhatImean,andstufflikethat.
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Soit'sthere'stherewasreallyIcan'tsayIreallyhadanyfearofmessinganythingup.
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Ikindofhadthatexpectationsetthathey,you'reyou'regonnamakemistakes.
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Andyouknow,thethebiggestitit'llholdatechnicianbackalotifthey'reyouknow,ifthey'realwaysworriedaboutifthey'remakingtherightdecisionoryouknow,iftheybreaksomething.
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It'sI'lltellyouwhat,trimpanelsrightnow,theclipsarestrongerthantheplastic.
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Imean,it'sit'syoucan'tgetsomeofthesetrimpanelsoffwithoutcracking,youknowwhatImean?
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Andyougetguysthatcrackthemandyou'rejustlike,Well,IIdon'tknowwhattotellyou.
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Theyputthisclipintherethat'sstillain'tcomingout.
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Soit'syou'reyou'regonnabreakstuff,thingsaregonnahappen,andmanagementjustneedstohavearealisticexpectationofthat.
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Andyouknow,becauseifyougotguysscaredofmessingup,thenthey'renotgonnawanttomakeyeah,they'renotgonnawanttomakedecisions,they'renotgonnawanna,youknow,they'regonnastrugglefor20minutestryingtotakeatrimpaneloff,whichhonestlythebestwaytodoitisripitofflikeaband-aid.
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Butit'sandI,youknow,you'llseeguys,andI'lljustcomeoverandsnapitoffrealquick.
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Yeah,likeyougottadoitquick,likeaband-aid,orit'llletmeusethisfancytoolinmyhands.
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Butyouknow,they'rescaredthey'regonnabreakit.
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Soit'sandyeah,Idon'tknow.
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It'sIcan'tsayIreallyhadthatfear,butuhIthinkIhadagood,goodshop,goodmanagement,anduhIthat'sdefinitelythereason.
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Well,forshopleadersthatarelisteningtothis,thatissuchakeythingtounderstand.
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IsjustwehadanauthoronnamedDanBradison,uh,probablyayearortwoago,andhewroteabookcalledSeedsofCulture,anduhoneofthechapterstalksaboutpsychologicalsafetyandtheneedtofeellikeyou'regoingtolikesomebody'sgonnahaveyourback,essentially,right?
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Thatyouifyouscrewup,whichwe'reallhuman,it'sgoingtohappenregardlessofwhoyouare,you'regonnascrewupsomethingatsomepoint.
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Thatiftheyfeelsafeinthatenvironment,they'refarmorelikelytobeproductiveandhappyandkindofeverythingyou'relookingforinashop.
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Soforthoseleadersthatarelisteningtothisrightnow,Ithinkthat'ssuchanimportantlessonisthatyouhavetokindofcreatethatsafetynetalittlebitandcommunicatethatandhelpthemunderstandsothatwhentheydoinevitablymakeamistake,theythey'realreadygonnabeatthemselvesupenough,right?
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Thatlikeinmostcases,they'regonnafeelreally,reallybadaboutitandreallybeatthemselvesup.
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Andinalotofcases,Ithinktheybeatuptheirownconfidenceandtheirownkindofalmostself-worth,right?
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Wheretheytheymaybedon'tthinkuhthathighlyofthemselvesatthatpoint.
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Andthemoreyoucankindofcreatethatbridgetounderstandthatyouknowwhat,justlikeyousaid,ifyoumakeamistake,learnfromitandthengetbetter.
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Uhandjustdon'tmakeacatastrophicmistakethat'sgoingtogetyouintrouble.
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Andalotofthatcatlikethestuffthatwe'resoworriedaboutisinaprocess.
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Andandyouknow,wetalkedaboutIwastalkingtosomebodyaboutdigitalinspectionsumandvideoinspectionsuhaweekortwoago,andtheytalkabouthowimportantitwasintheirbraintohavekindofthatprocessinwhichtheygothroughacarandtheydothesame,youknow,theystartthesametireeverysingletimeandthey'redoingthesamekindofprocesseverysingletime.
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Andthenovertime,thathabitjustbecomesareallykeypartofyourdailyoperationforyoupersonally,andthenyou'renotgoingtomissthosethings.
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Butatfirst,you'reprobablygonnahavetothinkaboutit,right?
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You'regonnahavetothinkthroughdidIdothis?
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DidIdidItorquethelugnuts?
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DidIputoilbackinthecar?
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DidIdo,youknow,allofthosethingsthatcouldresultinsomethingreallybadhappening.
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IIthinkforthoseyoungfolkslisteningtoo,justbereallyintentionalaboutdoingthatwell.
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Andandevenforthoseofyoustartingoffontheloobrack,sometimesthatgetsthatkindofgetsabadnametoo.
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Andyou'relike,youneedtolearnhowtodothisstuffreallywell.
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Andifyoucandothat,that'sgoingtohelpyouinyourcareer.
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Likeyou,youknow,yousaidyouwerekindoffearfulofbreaking,andthat'showalotofguysdocomeinalready,right?
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They'rethey'regunshytomakeadecision,theydon'twantto,youknow,they'rescaredthey'regonnabreaksomething.
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Soifyou'reifyoudon'tletthemknowfromtheget-go,look,Iknowyou'regonnamakemistakes.
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Imean,you'reyou'repayingtheseguystomakedecisions,yeah.
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Anddon'tgetmewrong,youtheyshouldhavetheroperortheproperumsupervisionandandtraining,butatthesametime,ififyou'reyouknowbeatingthemdowneverymistaketheymake,they'reyouknow,they'regonnalockupandnotwannanotwanttomakeanydecisions,whichyoulikeIsaid,Icameupwhereyouhad18minutestomakeadecision.
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Youknow,youyougottathat'swild.
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Yeah,yougottaprocessit,yougottaandyou'retakinginalotofinformationquickandyou'remakingadecisionin18minutes.
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Andthat'sthatthat'sthementalityguyshadtoo.
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Likeyouwanttopayus0.3
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todiagnose,you'regonnagetwe'lldoourbest.
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We'regonnaeliminateeverythingwecanin18minutes,andthenyou'regettingadecision.
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That'sthat'sdoyouthinkthatledtosomeofthepartswappingthatwesawkindofforawhile?
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Idon'tknowifit'sasbadnowasitusedtobe,buttherethereweretimeswhereyouwouldsee,like,okay,uhratherthandieethisproperly,I'mgoingtothrowpartsatitbecauseI'mjustnotgoing,youknow,ifI'mnotgoingtogetpaidforit,likeI'mI'mgonnamakethisdecisionquickwithouttrulyvalidatingthekindofyourdiag.
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Itfeltlikethatwasareallybigissueforawhile.
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Yeah,Imean,IsomostoftheguysIknowtakeprideintheirworkandtheyknowhere,youmayput10blowermotorsinthissameyearmakingmodelvehicle,butthatoneyoudon'tdothebasictest,youknow,checkyourpowergroundistheonethat'sgonnabiteyou.
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It'sgonnabesomethingthat'snotablowermotor.
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Soit'sjustaneasyexample.
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Buttherecouldbe,youknow,alotofguysouttherethatjustdon'twanttodothebasicchecks.
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Asfaraslikepartswapping,Iknowsometimes,youknow,let'ssayyouhaveanissue,youthinkit'samassairflowsensor,youmayswapitoffanothervehiclerealquickandgodriveit,youknow,toseeifitclearsitup.
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Butthereshould,Imean,Icouldn'timaginelikewarranty.
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Ifyougotaifyougottoomanyparts,you'reyou'regonnathrowalotofflags.
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Andyouknow,whereIcutlikethedealershipworld,youcan'treallyjustthrowpartsonstuff.
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Ififyougotaproblemwithjustyouknowputtingthreeorfourpartsonavehicletryingtofixaproblem,you'reit'snotit'snotgonnawork.
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Likethere,there'salltypesofwarrantyflagsthatthatgetthrown.
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ButImean,thebigthingislikeIsaid,ititdon'ttakelongtodoayouknowyourbasicelectricaltest.
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AndIthinktheyoungguyscomingin,iftheyjustspendaweekend,youdon'thavetogo,ifyoudon'tgototradeschool,ifyoudon't,youknow,that'sfine,butatleastspendaweekendlearningwhatashortthegroundis,whatashortthevoltageis,whatyouknowresistanceandloadtestingis,andhowtoperformthosetests,andthingswillstartmakingsensealotquicker.
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You'llyou'llreadaflowchart,youknow,skimthroughit,andyou'relike,oh,okay,Ijustneedtogoperformthesetests.
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Anditdon'ttakeyouknow,it'snotgoingtotakeyouanhour.
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Andthat'sIthinkthat'sthebigthing.
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Alotofguysseethesebigflowchartsbecausethesearewrittenbyyouknowengineersandtechnicalwriters.
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They'renoneofthem'sevenwrittenbyaflatrateperspective.
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So,likewhenIreadaflowchart,Iunderstandwhatit'sasking,andI'mlookingfortheeasiestpointofaccess.
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So,forinstance,justoneIhadlastweek,IthinkIevenpostedsomethingaboutit.
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ButtheflowchartwastoremovetheHVACcontrolheadtodotestingfromthere.
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Well,todothat,Igottoremovetheradio,Igottoremovepartofthedash,andIgodownalittlebit,Istartlookingattheschematicsinaflowchart,andthere'stestingbeingdoneattheBCM.
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IgotquickaccesstotheBCMconnector.
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SoIgorighttotheBCMconnector,Idoallmytestingthere,andyou'redone.
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Andreally,whenyougotohands-ontraininglike4GM,alotoftheinstructorswilleventellyouthebestthingyoucandoisbeabletounderstandthisstuff,lookataschematic,redo,readadescriptionoperation,andmakeyourownflowchart.
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Andthat'sthat'ssomethingthatIthinkwouldhelptheindustryalotifOEM,yeah,ifOEMwouldactuallystartwritingthesethingsfromaflatrateperspective,youknow,andjusttakeastepback,justbelike,oh,what'sthequickquickestwayforatechniciantoeliminatethethingsheneedstoeliminatetomakeadecision?
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AndIifyougotpartsjustgettingtossedtostuff,thatwouldprobablyhelpthatalot.
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Well,andIthinkyourexamplethereisagreatexamplebecausethatisoneyouuhatsomelevel,Ithinkyougettaughttofollowthatflowchartsomuchthatititalmoststandsininthewayofcommonsense,right?
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Whereinthatexactscenario,ratherthanteareverythingapart,youwenttothatpointofleastresistance,whichisfindingfindingaconnectionthatyoucanreallyeasilyaccessandunderstandwhatitisthatyouneedtounderstandfromthere,right?
25:36
Andyouknow,Ithinkthatisanotheropportunityforyoungpeople,andagain,that'soneofthosethingsthatcomeswithexperiencetoo,right?
25:43
Whereabsolutelyyouyouyoulearn,youknow,Ithinkschoolsomuchfortheoryandandreallyunderstandinghowthingswork,andthenasyougoinandyou'relikeyourbrainautomaticallyworksinthatwaynowbecauseyouyou'veyouknow25yearsofexperience,likeyouyou'vewired,yeah.
26:03
It'sit'swiredthatway.
26:05
AndIthinkgoingbacktowhatweweretalkingaboutwiththeexternalpressuresandeveninternalpressuresofayoungpersoncomingintotheindustry,attimesthey'reworriedaboutbeingintroublebecausetheydidn'tfollowaflowchart,andsometimesthatgetsinthewayofwhatcommonsensethinkingis,right?
26:22
Whereit'sit'snotnecessarilythattheydon'twanttothinkaboutitcritically.
26:27
Uh,Ihadaguestonprobablysixorsomonthsagowherewetalkedaboutthattoo,whereyouknow,weIwouldhavebeenterrifiedwhenIwas20yearsoldtoreallyprintoffaumaschematicandtrulyfollowitandtrytounderstandthesystembecauseinmyeyes,itfeltlikeIwasstandingaroundmytoolboxandwasitlookedlikeIwasn'tdoinganything,butinreality,itwouldhavebeenreallysmarttojustsitdownandunderstandthesystemandwhat
26:57
you'redealingwithsothatyouyoucanhaveagameplanofayouknow,cankindofaplanofattackingeneraluhtogoafter.
27:04
AndandIagaingoingbacktothatpsychologicalsecuritypiecewhereifyoufeelsafeenoughtobeabletodothatanddoitwhereyou'renotgettingmadefunof,orthatyoulikeyou,you'renotgettingcalledupbyyourmanagementofstandingaround,youknow,thatkindofstuff.
27:19
Uh,ifyoujusthavetheconfidence,say,thisiswhyI'mdoingit.
27:23
IneedtounderstandthesystembeforeIstartdivingintoit.
27:25
Youknow,IthinkIthinkthere'ssomuchvalueinthat.
27:28
Yeah,Imean,youreallydo.
27:29
WhenIandthat'syouknow,beforewhenwetalked,whenIwasinmanagement,that'sonethingI'dyouknow,I'daskguysinaninterviewandtheywouldlookatmekindofweird.
27:37
I'mlike,youknow,howisyourreadingcomprehension?
27:40
Andthey'dI'mnotcominginthistoread.
27:43
WhatdoyoumeanI'mcominginthistoworkoncars?
27:46
I'mlike,well,youthebetteryouyeah,ititreallyis.
27:50
Andtheamountoftimeyouspendonthecomputernowadayscomparedto15yearsago,youknow,whetherit'sreadingdescriptionoperations,lookingatschematics,um,flowcharts,orjustdoingpaperworkishasincreaseddramatically.
28:04
Soyeah,uhandwhenyouwhenyou'renew,schematicsarelikeaforeignlanguage,youknow.
28:09
Ifyouyeah,it'syouknow,guysgetoverwhelmedjustbylookingatschematicsandeventheflowcharts,likeallofthatstuff.
28:17
That'swhatmanagerskindofneedtounderstandisit'sasoverwhelmingasitwouldbe,youknow,toa20-year-oldasitwouldbeforyoutopullupschematicsandpullupflowchart.
28:31
You'reprobablygonnalookatitlikeIhavenocluewhattodo.
28:35
You'regonnabeoverwhelmed.
28:36
Like,whatdoyouwantmetodowiththis?
28:39
That'sthat'swhatthey'rethinkingatthesametime.
28:41
Theydon'thavethatexperience,theygotyouknowveryminimaltrainingatthatpoint.
28:46
Andthisstuffisit'snoteasy,it'sonlygettingmorecomplex.
28:50
Imean,justthinkofthefuture,youknow,everything'sautonomousvehicles,it'sit'sit'sgonnabecrazy.
29:00
Well,that'sIthatIreallyenjoyedthatpartofourourpre-meetingtothispodcast,andyouryourperspectiveontheimportanceofreadingcomprehension.
29:10
WewetalkedthroughASEs,right?
29:12
Andyeah,uhsaywhatyouwillaboutASE,butIreallyappreciatedyourperspectiveonthefactthatifnothingelse,itshowssomelevelofreadingcomprehensionandanabilitytotrulyunderstandwhatyou'rereading.
29:28
Andassimpleasthatsounds,thatisnotascommonaswe'dliketothink,right?
29:34
Thatyou'reactuallyabsorbingtheinformationthatyou'rereading,anduh,andthatisahugepartofthejobtoday.
29:42
Likeyou'vegottobeabletoreadandunderstandwhatyou'rereading,yeah.
29:46
AndImean,asfarasASCgoes,Imean,therehastobeanindustrystandard.
29:50
Somybutt,mybuddyownsabarbershop.
29:53
Tellmewhy,tellmewhynobodycancutmyhairwithoutabarber'slicense,youknow.
29:59
Andyouknow,Ithoughtaboutthatmoreandmoreatlikeyousaidfromourpre-interview.
30:05
AndI'mIneverreallyknewASEhadabignegativethinggoingon,right?
30:11
Idon'treallypayattentiontoit.
30:12
AllthetechniciansIknow,theytheywanttheirASCs,youknow,theywanttogrow,theywantrecognitionfromtheindustry,it'sseenastheindustrystandard.
30:21
Youknow,withGM,youhavetobe100%trained,youhavetohavethem.
30:24
AndIjuststartedthinkinglike,istherereallynegativetalkaboutASEs?
30:29
Youknow,I'veheardalittlebithereandthere,butnothing,Ididn'tthinkitwaslikeamajortrendgoingon.
30:34
AndIjustthoughtI'mlike,that'sactuallycrazy.
30:37
I'mreallysurprisedit'snotlikealawthatbeforeyoucanevenrotatemytires,right?
30:42
You'reputtingfamiliesatriskthatyougottahavesometypeoflicense.
30:45
Imean,barbersgottahavethem,cosmetologistsgottahavethem,myloanofficersgottahavethem,andyou'reyouknow,you'reyou'retouchingsomebody'svehiclethatit'sgoingtobetraveling70milesanhourwithafamilyinit,youknow,andfamiliesallaroundyou.
31:00
Soityeah,it'samazing.
31:04
AndIdothinkthatdevaluesourindustry,right?
31:08
Ititwhenwhenyoulookatthatthroughthatlensthatyouknow,IIgivetheclassicexampleofinmyfamily'sautomotiveshop,wehadthisladydriveinfrom15plusmilesawayandsay,Man,mymycar'sreallyshakingandIdon'tknowwhat'sgoingon.
31:29
Well,wehadatechthrowituponthehoist,andtheballjointliterallywasnotconnectedtothecontrolarm.
31:39
Andsowebroughttheybroughtheroutintotheshopandsaid,like,whatyouknow,whatIjustwanttoshowyou.
31:46
Like,thislookslikeit'snew.
31:49
Well,mysonreplacedtheballjointanduhapparentlydidn'tdoitright.
31:56
Andsoyoulookatthat,andthat'saprimeexampleofonewhereanunskilledoruneducatedpersondidajobthatmaybetheywatchedtheYouTubevideoonandtheyoh,IcanIcandothis,IIcanIcandothis.
32:07
Andit'ssoscarythattherearevehiclesontheroadlikethat.
32:13
Andtoyourpoint,howintheworldisthatevenpossiblethatjustsomerandompersoncanjuststarttearingintotheirvehicle,whichis,youknow,yougetamulti-thousand-poundpieceofirongoingdowntheroadwithfamiliesinit,andthere'snogovernanceoverthat,likeitjustabsolutelymind-blowingtome.
32:34
Yeah,Imean,that'swhatIsaidwhenIthoughtaboutit.
32:36
Just,youknow,thefactthebarbersgottohavealicensetocutmyhair.
32:40
Now,here,nobody'sgonnastopmefromcuttingmyhairinmyhouse.
32:43
Youknow,Idon'tI'mIdon'tthinkanybodyshould.
32:45
Ifsomebodywantstoworkontheircarintheirgarage,IIpraytheyknowwhatthey'redoing.
32:50
AndIwegetwegetcarsthatcomeinallthetime,likeyousaid.
32:53
Somebodyelse,youknow,theytheyputtheirownbrakesonandgetintolongstoriesonthat,butitititdon'tgowell.
33:03
Alotofstoriesonthere,yeah,yeah,forsure.
33:05
Itdon'tgowell,anditcostthemalotofmoney,youknow,togetitfixed.
33:09
Theycouldhavejustpaidtogetitfixed,butyeah,tome,likeanyfacilitythat'syouknowinthebusinesstoworkonyourcar,Idon't,youknow,IstartedthinkingaboutlikeI'mverysurprisedthatthereisn'tanytypeofyouknowlicensethatyouhavetohavetodothat.
33:28
Thattome,that'sifmybuddyopenedabarbershopandhe'sgottohaveabarber'slicensetocutmyhair,butthere'snoindustrystandardfortheautomotiveindustry,it'sit'scrazy.
33:40
Yeah,that'showIalwaystookASC.
33:41
It'sjustuhandthis,youknow,it'stheindustrystandard.
33:44
IfyouwanttoshowcasethatyoucanpassASEs,whichyoushould,thatshouldbeagoalasatechnician.
33:51
Butyeah,IIwasunawareofallthenegativetrendingyouknowtalkonthat,butthat'sdefinitelyIthinkanytopicyouputonline,yeah,likeanythingyousomebodyIguarantee,whateveryouropinionisonwhatevertopic,youcanputitouttheresomewhere,andyou'regoingtofindpeoplethatwanttoargueit.
34:09
Sothere'sjustsomelevelofIthinkthenegativecarriestheweightthere.
34:13
Butgoingbacktoyourpointaboutnoteventhecertificationpieceororanythingalongthoselines,butuhthat'sanotherpiecewithyoungpeoplethatIthinkisimportanttotore-emphasize.
34:24
Andeventobehonest,someofourexperiencetechsofit'snotjustabrakejob,right?
34:30
Likethatisaififyouscrewthatup,you'reputtingsomebody'slifeindanger.
34:34
AndIIwhenIwasinashop,that'sallIvieweditaswasit'sI'mjustslappingyouknowpadsandrotorsonthiscar,andyouyoukindofgetintothatmodewhereyoubecomenumbtowhattherealityisifthatweretogowrong,right?
34:49
LikeIjustthinkthere'sthereuhwetakethatforgrantedattimes,andIthinkthat'swhenitcansneakuponyouandbiteyouasififuhifmaybeyoutakeitforforgrantedtoomuch.
35:00
Yeah,andjustjustthesimplestuffofatirerotation,youknow,it'sanditusuallywhenthathappens,soI'velookedupstoriestoshowothertechnicians.
35:09
AndwhenIstartedintheindustry,wehadabulletinboardaboveoururinal,likealittlephoneboard.
35:14
Andourmanagerwouldprintoffarticlesallthetimetechnicianchargedformanslaughter.
35:18
Andandwhilewewereintheurinal,we'rereadingarticlesofyouknow,likewow,that'scrazy.
35:24
Andusuallywhenawheeldoesflyoff,itusuallyjustkillssomeotherfamily,youknowwhatImean?
35:31
Likeitityeah,it'sit'scrazy.
35:33
We'veI'vereadaboutthatalot,likehopsacrosstheinterstateandhitsauhinnocentpasserby,right?
35:38
Likesomebodyhasnothingtodowithit.
35:40
Yeah,andit'sheartbreaking.
35:43
Andit'sit'slikeallthetechniciansItrain,whichIwanttokindofjumpofftheside,butjustonthattopic,yeah.
35:49
I'veI'veseenguysdoit,andthey'lllikewhentheyputwhentheydoatirerotationandputawheelon,they'llrunthelugnutsalmostallthewaydown.
35:57
AndIalwaystellthem,dude,putthelugnutsontwoorthreethreads.
36:00
Thatway,bythetimeififyouleaveawheelloose,you'regonnaknowitbeforeyougetoutoftheshop.
36:04
Youknow,they'reandthatseemedtohelpalotofguys,butyeah,that'sagreatbestpractice,bytheway.
36:11
Yeah,Idon'tthinkIdidthat.
36:13
Likethat,IIwasdoingthatexactlywhatyou'retalkingabout.
36:16
Yousnugthemallthewayupandthenhitthemwiththeimpact.
36:18
Butifyoudoitjustacouplethreads,thatmakesallthesenseintheworld.
36:23
That'sagreatbestpractice.
36:24
Yeah,that'swhatItellalltheyoungguysuhanytimetheyyouknow,anytimeIgetachance.
36:30
It'sjusthere,putthemon,putthemonacouplethreads.
36:32
Oneguy'slike,Well,IrunthemallthewaydownbecauseIstrippedastudonce.
36:35
I'mlike,yeah,well,believeitornot,youalsoleftthewheellooseonce.
36:39
Sotheygottothecustomer.
36:42
Soyou'reyou'reyou'renotgonnaI'dI'dmuchratherstripastudthanleaveawheelloose.
36:47
So100%putthemonthreads,andyou'llknowbythetimeyouleavetheshop.
36:56
Ifyou'reanautomotive,diesel,orcollisioninstructororaneducatorhelpingstudentsexplorethesecareers,thisisforyou.
37:05
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37:11
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37:22
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37:52
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38:02
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38:15
Well,Ididn'tmeantodivertfromyourstorybecauseIIloveyourstoryandyourtimeintheshop.
38:22
Andthisiswhere,astheconversationgoes,Ijustlovetalkingtoyoubecausethere'suhyoucantellsomuchpassionabouttheindustryandsomuchpassionaboutuhabouttryingtomakeitbetter,right?
38:34
Andandwaysthatwecanworktogethertomakeitbetter.
38:37
Soasyougothroughyouryourtechniciancareer,youstarttokindofevolvealittlebitinsomeofthisotherstuff.
38:45
AndandIhadmentioneduhwe'llputalinktoyourwebsiteup,butyouyou'redoingsomeamazingthings.
38:52
Canyoutalktousalittlebitaboutkindofhowyou'veuhtakenthisplatformasatechnicianandandusedittokindofbuildonotherthingsaswell?
39:03
Yeah,soIwouldsayIstartedprobablythebeginningofthisyear,andII'veseensomanyyoungguyscomeandgo.
39:10
Itit'syouknow,Ibuildrelationshipswiththeseguys,andyouknow,overtheyearsIstilltalktoalotofthem,andIjustsatdownanddecided,youknow,IneedwhatcanIbuildtohelptheindustry?
39:23
WhatcanIbuildtogivethetechnicians?
39:26
WhatcanI,youknow,whatcanIdoonmyend?
39:29
Andyouknow,I'mnotsurewhichoneyouwanttogotofirst,thewebsite.
39:35
Well,yeah,it'suptoyou,likewhatevermakesthemostlogicalsense,andIprobablydidn'tseguethatthebestbecauseit'salmostdoingdiscredittoyourexperienceinashop.
39:47
Likeyou'veyou'vedonesomuch,likeandreallykindoftakingthatnowtotolikeeverything.
39:54
That'swhereitcangettobesuchaloadedconversationbecauseyou'redoingsomuch.
39:58
Yeah,youwantmetokindofstartbackalittlebitinmycareerandkindofokay.
40:03
So,forinstance,Istartedagroupinvocationalschool,kindofonplacementlastyearwasyouknow,senior,tooktheASAPprogram,andIwaswiththatgroupforroughly15yearsbeforeIgotintomanagement,butIdon'tthinkitwasmaybefiveyearsafterIgotoutofmyASAPprogram.
40:22
Iwastraining,wecall,youknow,mymanagercalleditfarmingourown,right?
40:27
Wegrewourowntechnicians.
40:29
Andbackthentheindustryalmosthadlikeanunspokenrulethatyoudon'tgoaftereachother'stechnicians,right?
40:36
Youkindoffarmyourown.
40:37
Andthatkindofthatkindofbrokeawaymaybefive,sixyears.
40:41
Youknow,nownoweverybody'sjusttryingtogetwhattheycan.
40:45
Andum,youknow,soIatonepointI'mtrainingfiveguysatatime,youknow,andjustbythetimeIgottothe15-yearmark,youknow,youlookaroundintheshop,youknow,thisisa45-bayshop,andalotoftheguysthere,youknow,Itrainedandyouknow,hadgreatrelationshipswith.
41:07
Andunfortunately,youknow,wehadmanagersthatwouldcyclethroughprobablyeveryotheryear,youknow,everyyear.
41:14
Andthatdoesgetold,youknow,itasayouwantsomestructure,youwantsomebodywho'sbeenthereforawhile.
41:22
Andsoaboutthe15-yearmark,IIwasactuallyabouttotakeajobatTesla,putmytwoweeksin,andmyfixedopsdirector'slike,look,wewecan'tletyouleave.
41:33
I'mjustlike,Well,Iyouguysdon'thaveamanagerI'dworkforrightnow.
41:37
Andum,whatifwemakeyouthemanager?
41:41
I'mlike,Well,Iguessyouknow,I'llgiveitashot.
41:46
Idon't,youknow,didn'tgetanytrainingonitornothing,buttheyjustkindofthrewyouinit,andyouknow,thatshop,itwasyouknow,haditdoingverywell.
41:57
Um,Ihadtechnicianscomingfromcompetitivedealers,youknow,joiningus,atonofothercars,youknow,fromotherdealershiplicenseplates,stufflikethat.
42:08
AndthenIhadanotherdealerreachouttome,hadwell,theyhadarecruiterreachout,andtheyjustwouldn'tleavemealone.
42:14
They'relike,look,canyougositdownandhavedinnerwiththeseguys?
42:17
Sosatdown,haddinnerwiththem,andeventuallytheygotmetomakeadecisiontomove,whichatthetimemeandmyfixedopsdirector,youknow,itit'shardleavingaplaceafter19years,youknow.
42:32
Butlet'ssayitwe,youknow,everybody,don'tbewrong,IlikeNADA,butalotoftimeswhenyou'reinmanagement,youknow,they'llforinstance,myfixedopsdirectorislike,weneed30hoursoutofeachbay.
42:48
Idon'tcareifwegottoputonetechnicianineverybay.
42:50
I'mlike,well,that'swe'redoingprettygood.
42:53
Likewewe'renotwe'renotgoingtostartcuttingguysdownintobaysandputting,andthat'sjustyouknow,thementalitythatstartedcomingforthandendedupgoingtoanothergroupforacoupleyears.
43:05
Umranthatstoreandhadanownerofanotherstore,andoneofmyformermanagers,youknow,hadthatturnedthatstorearound.
43:13
Theywantedmetocomeworkforthem,andthatendedupbeingadecisionwhereayearintoit,I'mjustlike,I'llI'llgobacktobeatechnician.
43:23
Likeit'sbecauseI'vealwayskeptupwithmytraining,keptupwiththesh,youknow,guysintheshop.
43:28
Umandyouknow,IendedupIdon'twanttosayanythingnegativeaboutyouknowanyofit,butIImadethedecision.
43:37
I'mlike,hereI'myouknow,beatmyheadagainstawall.
43:40
Justgivemetwobaysintheback,I'llgobacktobeatechnician.
43:43
Sowentbacktobeatechnician.
43:46
Theychangedhealthinsurances,whichhadmeshoppinghealthinsurance,andandthat'swhatledmetoyouknow,thegroupI'matnow.
43:53
Andoverthelastyear,youknow,we'veseenhighprettyhighturnoverandstufflikethat.
44:00
I'veyouknow,Ijustsatbackandlookedattheindustryandtriedtofind,youknow,astechnicians,that'swhatwedo.
44:06
Wesolveproblemslikeliterallyalldaylong.
44:09
AndIjuststartedpinpointingsomeoftheproblemsIfoundintheindustryandfiguredtryingtofigureoutwaystosolvethem.
44:16
Andsothat'swhenI,youknow,wrotethebook,WhyTechniciansAreLeavingandHowtoKeepThem,becausewhenatechnicianleavesadealership,they'renotusuallytellingmanagement,youknow,alltheproblems.
44:30
They'retheywanttogetoutwiththeminimumconflictaspossible,moveontotheirnextjob,andjustenjoylife.
44:37
Andmanagersaren'treallyhearingtheissuesthatthetechnicians,youknow,gothrough.
44:44
Aretrulyhaving,yeah.
44:45
Yeah,andthestrugglewithflatrateandjustjustthegrindofbeingatechnician.
44:50
SoIdecidedtowritethatbook.
44:52
AndasI'mwritingit,I'mlike,well,maybethemaybethebookjustmightnotbeenough.
44:57
I'llstartaconsultinggroup,whichyouknowwasn'tabigdeal.
45:04
Tome,I'mjustlike,well,justincasesomebodywants,youknow,moreinformation.
45:08
AndumthenIstartedlookingatthetechnician,youknow,whatwhatdotechniciansneed?
45:14
AndsoAI,I'mnotreallyabigfanof,youknow,there'satonofnegativethingsthatAIcanbring,youknow,andbutthere'salsoalotofgooditcanbring.
45:25
Anditcanamplify,it'sjustlikeanothertool,right?
45:28
Itcanamplifyanythinganythingyoureallywanttodo.
45:33
Imean,besideslikebreakingaboltloose,youknow,that'swhenyougetthebigbreakerbar,youknow,yougetyougetadifferenttoolforthat.
45:39
Butasfarasatechnician,IjustsatbackandlookedatwhatIcouldbuildtoactuallytrainandreallyassistalotoftheseyoungguysthatstrugglewithreadingcomprehensionorpullupaschematicandgetyouknowterrified.
45:53
Like,whatwhatarealltheselines?
45:55
Youknow,asathisaforeignlanguage,andum,sothat'swhenIbuilttheapp.
46:02
Andit'sIdon'thaveyouhadachancetocheckitout.
46:06
IIdon'tnotaton,yeah.
46:08
Iitbutasweweretalking,becausewewedidtheintronottoolongbeforetheactualrecording,andthere'ssomuchofwhatyou'vedonewhereI'mlike,IIneedtodiveheaddeepintothisstuffbecauseitisreallygood.
46:21
SotheappIloveasfarasadiagnosticassistant,likeit'sI'vetraineditintheshoppersonally.
46:28
Um,I'vehadotherguysusingitacrossotherdealershipsthatloveit.
46:33
Um,andititwillbreakifsomebody'sstrugglingwithreadingcomprehension,andIIuseitmyself.
46:40
Let'ssayit'sthreeo'clockonaThursday.
46:43
Iseeabiglongdescriptionandoperation,andI'mjustlike,Idon'twanttoreadthat.
46:47
AndII'lltakeapictureofitandsay,breakthisdownandsimplifyitforme,soIcancomeupwithayouknowprocessofdiagnosis.
46:55
Yeah,andityoucanuploadschematics,youcanjusttypeinyourcode,anditI'vespentatonoftimetrying,youknow,I'malittleOCD,soIyeah,andandit'suhII'veit'sit'simpressedme,andit'simpressedthepeopleusingit.
47:12
Weseepeoplecomeguysarefindingthewebsite,downloadingtheapp,andyouseejustrepeatuse,youknow,they'regoingbacktoit,runningmorediags.
47:22
Um,Igotguysthatworkatotherdealershipsthatloveit.
47:25
Andatfirst,Igotyouknow,Igottimeandmoneyinvestedinit,andI'mlike,uh,$9.99
47:32
amonthain'tabadprice.
47:34
Well,thefirstcouplepeoplethatkindofwenttoitwereguysIknow,andIitwashardformetosleepanightjustcharging,youknowwhatImean?
47:42
I'mjustlikeI'vehelpedtheseguysforfreemywholelife,yeah,forfreemywholelife.
47:46
SoI'veImadeitfreeforanytechnician.
47:49
Um,youknow,theytheydownloadthat.
47:52
Yeah,andthat'syouknow,thesiteistheretokindofhelppeoplefindit,youknow.
47:58
Soit'sandthere'salotofinformationonthesite.
48:00
Um,youknow,it'sit'sbeenalotofearlymornings,alotoflatenightsbuildingit.
48:08
Um,butit'sprobablywhenIsitwhenIstepbackandlookatalltheissueswiththeshop,sothat'sfortheyoungguys,youknow,theguysthatkindofstrugglewithdiagnosingstuff,needjustneedsomeassistant,youknow,thatdon'thavethatmentorthere.
48:23
Andrealistically,AIwasn'ttothepointtwoyearsagoorayearagowhereyoucouldhaveevenmadeit.
48:31
Youknow,whatit'sreallyjustgottothepointwherethat'sevenpossible.
48:35
Um,andit'sit'sreallyamazingwhatitcandoandhowmoreefficientitcanmakeyou.
48:40
Umandthenyouknow,theotherproblemIstepbackandlookatistheseniortechs,youknow,thethespecialistguys.
48:50
Whatwhatkindofumwhatdotheyneed?
48:54
AndthismightII'dbeinterestedinjusthearingwhatyouthinkaboutthis,butyouknow,dentaldentistshaveassistants,youknow,alotalotofindustrieshaveassistants,youknow,specialties.
49:08
Andyougotspecialistsintheautomotiveindustry,right?
49:12
Yourtransguy,yourdieselguy,yourelectricalguy,yourradioguy.
49:16
Ithinkitwouldalmostbebeneficialtostartrestructuringsomeshopsandjustthinkingabouthiringlikeashopassistantforsayfourorfivespecialtyguys,right?
49:26
Wherethey'rebecausethere'ssomuchwastedtimeanymore,everything'sgottenmorecomplicated,right?
49:33
Mostpartsdepartmentswantyoutocomepickoutapart.
49:35
Most,youknow,that'sasaflatrateguy,you'resittingtherethinking,thisistakingtoolong,dude.
49:41
Igotyouknow,Igothourstoturn.
49:42
Iwanttomakesureyougettherightpart,butyouknow,carsthatneeddriven,programsthatneedbabysitter,multi-pointsandvideoinspections,likeallthisstuffisatthepointwhereIthinkitwouldbebeneficialfortheATEX.
49:58
Youknow,youryourmainguysiftheylefttheshop,ititwouldhurttheshop.
50:03
Andwhatwoulditcosttocostashoptogetanassistant?
50:07
Whatmaybeforty-fiftythousanddollarsayear?
50:11
Andandthat'safull-time,youknow,that'snotyourdispatcher,that'snotalottech,that'snotanapprentice,apprenticeyouwantto,youknow,moveintoflatrateprettyquickly.
50:20
Thisissomebodywhoisgoingtolearnalot,youknow,andcouldpotentiallybeatechniciandowntheroad,butIthinkitwouldIthinkitwoulddrasticallyhelpproduction.
50:31
Um,youknow,andtheseguys'hoursarewrongitup.
50:34
Butwell,andIlookatitasanotheropportunitytobringmorepeopleintothebusiness,too,right?
50:42
Becausemaybeyou'vegotIIfeellikeovertheyearsI'veseenpeoplethatarekindofthecareerchangers,anditsoundslikeinthefuturethere'sgoingtobealotmoreofthat,wheresomebodycouldhavefiveorsixdifferenttypesofcareersoverthecourseoftheirlife,oftheirworkinglife.
51:00
Andyouyoulookatmaybemaybeinsteadofthatpersonrightoutofhighschoolorrightoutoftechschool,thatyou'vegotthat30-year-oldthatwantstochangecareersandisinterestedinthisindustry.
51:14
Andyouknow,thereIdon'tknowthatthere'sbetteropportunitiesthantoworkalongsidethosespecialists,right?
51:20
Tobeabletokindofseewhatthey'redoingandandhelpthemout,andthenatthesametimeearnthetrustofthosespecialists,right?
51:28
Thosepeoplelikeyouthathavebeenaroundalongtime,andIthinkwe'veallkindofpaidattentiontosomeofthoseyoungerpeoplethathavethatdesireandareactuallywantingtolistenandlearnfromfromtheothers.
51:41
AndandIthinkittakesauniquepersontogointothatintothatposition,butman,ifyougettherightone,youyoucouldreally,reallyputsomehorsepowerbetweenbehindyourspecialists.
51:54
Yeah,andit'llpayforitselfprobablytwice,youknow.
51:58
Andandifitkeepsagoodguyfromleaving,youknow,it'sevenmore.
52:02
That'stheotherppiece,right?
52:04
Likeyoulookatthis,itisalwaysachallengeinourindustry,andIespeciallyinaflatrateenvironment.
52:12
I'veheardfromalotoffolksthatareyouknowa-leveltechnicians,thatmasterdiagnosticianthatdoesn'tfeeltheflatratesystembenefitsthembecauseoftentimestheygetthehardestjobs,thehardesttodiagnosejobs,theonesthattakethemosttime,theonesthatarehardesttogetpaidon,whetherit'sthroughwarrantyorcustomerpay.
52:37
AndIkindofjustalwayslookatlikehowhowyoutreatareallyexperiencedtechisreallytellingtoayoungpersoncomingintoourindustrybecauseifyoutreatthemlikegarbageandyouknowyouusethemupuntilthey'rethey'rephysicallynotabletoworkanymore,andthenkindofthrowthemoutthedoor,thatsendsasignaltoalloftheyoungergenerationoflike,oh,thatIseehowmuchtheyappreciatethatyouknow,Jimforworkingherefor30yearsor40
53:07
years,andandyouknow,hey,thanksforyourservice.
53:11
Yeah,youknow,probablywon'tseeyouagain.
53:13
No,likeitit'sit'soneofthosethingswhereyou'relike,man,asyou'relookingatthat,howdoyoumakethatspecialistlifeeasier?
53:20
Well,havinganassistantwouldprobablyhelpalot.
53:23
Yeah,ititdefinitelywould.
53:24
Iyouhitacouplepoints,andonebeingthehowyoutreatyouknowyourtechnicians,andthat'skindofwhathadmeactuallyleaveadealershipover19yearsistherewasaguytherethat'sbeentherefor40years,anditwasactuallyourshopforeman,andIwantedtosendhimtoNiagaraFalls.
53:44
AndI'mjustlike,here,I'llyouknow,whynot?
53:48
Youknow,wepriceitout,lookedateverything,costacouplethousanddollarstosendhimandhiswifetoNiagaraFalls.
53:53
Andbasically,theysaid,Well,ifwedidthatforhim,we'dhavetodoitforeverybodywho'sgonnabeherefor40years.
54:01
I'mlike,what'swrongwiththat?
54:04
Yeah,ifthey'retherefor40years,that'saprettylowcost,right?
54:09
Andinstead,youknow,theygavehimahundreddollargiftcardtolikeasteakhouseorsomething.
54:14
Therewasalotofstuffgoingonthatyeah,mademe.
54:17
I'mjustlike,uhmaybeyouknow,meleavingisisforthebest,butwell,andyoulookatthatcompared,especiallyinadealershipenvironment,withhowthey'lltreattheirbestsalespersonthat'sbeentherefor40years,right?
54:32
Likeyou,Ithinkeverybodycansee,youknow,regardlessofwhatyousayandhowmuchyouloveyourservicedepartment,actionsmeanmorethanwords,andalotoftimesthoseactionsaren'toverlycomplimentaryoftheservicedepartment.
54:48
Yeah,theyandyouknow,wetalkabouttherecruitingissue,butifthetechniciansintheindustryaretelling,youknow,whatityouknow,I'vebeenquotingyourstats.
55:01
Ididn'tevenknowtheycamefromyouguys.
55:02
LikeIsaid,Ihaven'tevenIhaven'treallysteppedbackandlookedatwhat'sgoingonoutthereinsolonguntillikeIjuststarteddoingallthis.
55:11
Butwhatisitlike70%oftechniciansareunhappyanddiscouragingpeopletocomeintotheindustry?
55:18
Yeah,theydon'tthinkthere'shope.
55:20
Yeah,liketheytheydon'tthinkthatwe'removingintherightdirection,whichisveryconcerning.
55:25
Soifthatdon'tchange,itrecruiting,youknow,yeah,it'salwaysgonnabeanissue.
55:30
Soyeah,ittheygottastart,youknow.
55:33
Youkeepdoingthesamethingoverandoverandover.
55:36
Whatdotheycallthat?
55:38
Definitionofinsanity.
55:39
Yeah,soitIdon'tknow.
55:41
I'mtryingtodoeverythingIcanonmyend.
55:44
Idon'tknowhowmuchofanimpactit'llmake,butIthinkitishugelyimpactful,andhere'swhyyou'velivedthatlife,you'veseenthegood,thebad,theugly,you'veuhreallybeeningrainedinit.
55:59
AndIIthinkweneedmorelikeyou,tobehonest.
56:03
Like,IIthinkweneedmorepeoplethatarewillingtospeakupandsitatthetableforthegoodoftheindustry,andyouknow,IIthatthatwasourintentionwithwrenchwayfromthestart,right?
56:17
Waslike,howdowehowdowegetmorevisibilitytosomeofthisstuff?
56:22
Andsomeofitisjustfrankly,justblindspotsfromshopleadership,right?
56:27
Wheretheymaybetrulydon'tunderstandit,andandsothemorewecangetyoutalkingandshineaspotlightonthat,Ithinkthebetter,becausethathelpsoutpointoutthoseblindspotsandmaybethoseconversationsthathappeninashopthatshopleadership'snotprivyto,ororyouknow,alotoftimesthat'sasecretconversationthat'syouknow,maybegoingtohurtthefeelingsofashopleader.
56:53
AndIIthinksomehowifwecangetthoseoutintheopen,ofcourse,inarespectfulway,absolutely,youknow,andandthereistimeswhereIfeellikeIamatranslatorfromtechnicianstoleadershipwhereit'syouknow,Idoyouwanttosayitthatway?
57:08
Maybewecanreframethatalittlebit.
57:10
Soit'sait'salittlebitalittlebitsofter,butstilllandthatpointhome.
57:15
Ithinkthat'stheentirepoint,isyouknow,Ithinkattimestechnicianshavereally,reallygoodfeedback.
57:22
It'sjustinthewaythattheycommunicatethatfeedbackthatwherewhereitgoeswrong,right?
57:26
So,howdowehowdowetakeyourvoice?
57:29
Andyou'vedoneaphenomenaljobwiththat,withthebookandtheappandthewebsiteandjusteverythingthatyou'redoingtobeabletokindofdothatsamething,right?
57:38
Wherehowdowehowdowegetthatoutsothatwecanreallybettereducatetheindustry?
57:43
SoonethingIIforgottoevenbringup,andI'mnottryingtogiveyouanytypeofpitchonit,butasImadethatapp,I'mthinkingIthinkit'dbeagreat,youknow,theAIdiagnosticassistantwouldbegreatforyoungguysintheindustry,butI'mthinkingdealergroupstheyyouknow,youdon'twanttousemybrand.
58:03
SoImadeamadeademothatacoupledifferentdealergroupsaretryingoutnowwhereit'sgotbasicallyIcallitwhitelabelbecausetheycanusetheirowndomainname,usetheirownlogos,andIbuildthebackend,andit'sactuallygotthediagnosticASEtestprep.
58:24
Um,butit'sgotafeedbackfunction.
58:28
Andifyouplayaroundwithit,you'llyou'llthinkbecauseyoucanputintherethisshopsucks,andbigorangeletterswillcomeupandsay,No,weneedmoreinformation.
58:37
AndlikeAIwillwritethis,willwriteyourproblemsoutprofessionallyandsendittoadmin,andadminwillgetanemailandnotification.
58:47
Yeah,soII'mkindoftryingtorollstufflikethatout,butno,Iagree.
58:52
Technicians,youknow,theythat'swhymostofthemwanttoworkoncars,theydon'tlikecommunicatingwithpeople.
59:00
Likeit'sIhadatransmissiontechthatumwhenIwasinmanagementwantedtowantedtobeaserviceadvisor,hewantedtotryitout.
59:08
SoI'dI'mlike,let'sgiveitashot,man.
59:12
I'dyouknow,morepeopleupfrontthatyouknowknowwhat'sgoingon,thatthebetter.
59:16
Youknow,technicallycustomerslikehearing,youknow,technicalbreakdownsandstufflikethat.
59:20
Andhewastwoweeksin,he'slike,man,I'dratherworkonacarthandealwithpeople.
59:25
I'mlike,yeah,Ifigured,youknow,it'snotnotmanyofthemdo.
59:31
Andthat'sjustyouknow,that'sjustwhotheyare,youknow,that'swhoweare.
59:36
It'syouknow,we'dmuchratherbeinthegarageandworkingoncarsandandfixingstuff.
59:41
IofcourseIdon'tmindthemanagementangle,butyeah,youknow,that'snotit'snotallofthem.
59:46
Butyeah,it'sit'snotforeverybody,right?
59:48
Andthat'sthat'stheimportantpart.
59:50
AndItrytoIIlovewhentechnicianscangospendsometimeataservicemanager'sdeskbecausethenyoutrulykindofunderstandandmaybeevenappreciatethatjobandhowharditis.
00:03
Andyouknow,it'snotjustsittingbehindacomputerandandwatchingYouTubevideosallday,likethere'sthere'ssomeseriousworkhappeningthere,andit'salotoftryingtokeeppeoplehappy,andalotoftimesit'sano-winsituationwhereyou'reyou'regonnamakeadecisionthat'sgonnaupsetsomebody,right?
00:20
Andsotryingtodealthroughallofthoseandthepersonalities,anduhI'veseenitalotovermyyearswheresomebodytriesthatspotoutandsaysthatsameexactthing.
00:30
Ididn'tI'mjustgonnagobackouttheshopandwrench.
00:32
Yeah,no,it'syeah,it'sdefinitelyalot.
00:34
Youknow,yougotyougotbossesthat'sbreathingdownyourneckaboutCSIandyouknow,yougotwarrantyschedules,it'syougotalotgoingon.
00:42
Yougotawholeyeah,andit'sreallya24-7job.
00:45
Youknow,that'sonethingIIdon'tmissaboutitisyouknow,whenIwasinmanagement,I'myou'rejustthinkingaboutitalldaylong.
00:52
Whereyouknowthere'snotanoffswitchwhenyougohomeeither,right?
00:55
Likeyou'rereallynot.
00:56
Yeah,no,no,it'sit'stough.
00:59
AndIthinkthemoreindustry,likeififyou'reworkingsidebyside,saythepartsdepartment,right?
01:06
Alotoftimesthere'sthatthatfrictionbetweenserviceandparts.
01:10
Andyeah,maybetheydon'tunderstandeachother'ssidesaswellastheyshould.
01:14
AndI'mjustabigproponent.
01:16
Ifyou'refrustratedwithamaybeaneighboringdepartmentwithinuhwithintheshoporthedealership,gospendsometimeoverthere.
01:24
Youknow,maybeasweirdasitsounds,maybeit'saSaturdaymorningandthey'reopenandandyou'renotscheduledtowork,gospendacouplehourswiththem.
01:33
Itmightchangeyourperspectiveandinkindofyourlifeingeneral.
01:37
Andifyoucanbuildthoserelationships,theycanmakeyourlifemucheasierormuchharder,dependingononhowthatrelationshipis.
01:46
No,that'sthat'swhatIwassaidbefore.
01:48
Likepartsusuallyneedshelppickingoutparts.
01:51
Butiflikewhenyouwalkin,there'satechnician,youseewhy.
01:55
Youknow,that'sstuff'snotbrokendowneasyforthem.
01:58
Youknow,theydon'ttheydon'thavetheexperience,thehands-ononcars,andit,youknow,theyneedhelp.
02:02
Andifyouwanttherightpart,youshouldprobablyworktogetherandyouknowbuildagoodrelationshiptogetthathandled.
02:08
Butyeah,it'sI'veneverreallyunderstood,butI'veseenit,butyouknow,yougotsales,yougotserviceandparts.
02:17
Ifyou'renotworkingtogetherasateam,likeitit'smakeslifeharder.
02:21
Yeah,Ijustuhtome,Ifinditinsane.
02:23
Everybody'sgottoworktogether,everybodyisdealingwiththesamecustomers.
02:28
Um,youknow,andyeah,youdefinitelygottahaveagoodrelationshipandanunderstanding.
02:34
Andyeah,sameNorthStar.
02:37
You'reyou'retryingtomakemakethecustomerhappy,you'retryingtotomakeyourfamilyhappybyprovidingforthem.
02:43
You'reyeah,youjustthegeneralstressesofofbeingahuman,right?
02:47
Likethere'ssomuchoutsideinfluenceonyourhappiness.
02:50
AndIIthinkthemoreyoucancontrolwhatyoucancontrol,andifit'sbeingbetterinyourrelationships,havingabetterunderstandingofotherpeople,uhjustititallgoeswell.
03:01
AndIwillsaywe'rewe'reclosetotoclosingthisthingup,whichisshocking.
03:05
Thishourflewby,andIdon'tfeellikewewegotuhwejustscratchedthesurface.
03:11
Ithinkuhthere'ssomuchmoretotalkabout.
03:14
Idohavethreekindoffunquestionsforyoutoendthepodcaston.
03:18
Uh,ififyou'reready.
03:21
Firstoneiswhatwasyourfirstcar?
03:29
Well,they'regonnagiveyoutwo.
03:31
Well,thefirstcarIboughtIcoulddrive,orthefirstcarIboughtforsomebodyelsetoyourchoice.
03:38
Okay,sofirstcarIboughtwasaBuickRiviera.
03:41
Likethatwasandthatwastwelvehundredbucks.
03:45
That'swhenIactuallyhadmydriver'slicense.
03:47
Soyeah,likeIsaid,IcamefromSmoothcar,likegood.
03:51
That'sagood,goodcar,especiallyforthemoney,right?
03:55
Yeah,itwastwelvehundredbucks,andbackthen,uhIthinkIendedupsellingittomyauntlater.
04:00
ShemoveddownfromVirginiaformaybeevenmorethanthat.
04:04
Butyeah,it'suhallthecarsIhadIwishIkept,buthey,it'syouknowthat'slife.
04:12
Idon'tknowwhatI'llgoahead.
04:15
Secondquestionisareyouanearlymorningpersonoralatenightperson?
04:21
Oh,I'mmyalarmsetfor430everymorning.
04:27
That'suhwewehearthatalotonthepodcastfromourguests,right?
04:31
IIthinkalotofthehighachievingpeoplearetypicallyuhalotoftimessomeofthefirstupinthemorning,right?
04:38
Theytheygetalotdonebeforeeverybodyelseisawake.
04:41
Yeah,IIusedtohaveitsettofiveandIlistenedtotoomuchJocko,sohe'sgotme.
04:47
Youseehimpostingtheuhthetheuhyeah,doesdude'spaiduhpost.
04:53
SoIhadtokickitbackto430.
04:56
Uhwhatisyourfavoritetypeoffood?
05:00
UhI'mgonnahavetogowithItalian.
05:03
Myfamily'sItalian,andImeanonThanksgiving,wehadLatino.
05:08
Uhyeah,it'sthat'sItalian.
05:11
Iwillsaythismightbeahottake,butIwouldmuchratherhaveagoodItalianlasagnathanturkeyanydayoftheweek.
05:18
SoIIuhIcommendyourfamilythere.
05:21
TherewethereareyearswhereIprobablywishIwouldbeuhatyourfanfamily'sdinnertablebecauseuhIthatsoundsmoreenticingtomethanturkey.
05:29
Wealwayshadturkeytheretoo,butnobodyreallyatetheturkey.
05:36
Well,IIcan'ttellyouhowmuchIappreciateforforthoseofyoulistening.
05:41
Anthonyjoinedusonhislunchbreak,andheisdoingsomephenomenalstuff.
05:47
We'llmakesureweputlinksintheshownightsintheshownotes,excuseme,toeverythingthathe'sdoing,uh,soyoucancheckitout.
05:55
ButuhAnthonycan'ttellyouhowmuchIappreciatewhatyou'redoingfortheindustry,alloftheinitiativethatyou'retaking,allofyourhardworkontheshopfloor,uh,justuhingeneral.
06:07
Whatanabsolutepleasuretotalktoyouandandhopefullywecangetyoubackonagainsometimesoon.
06:12
AndI'mgonnasaythesamethingaboutyouguysbecausehonestly,IneverIneverrealizedtherewasactuallysomanypeopleouttherebeing,youknow,beingavoiceforthetechnicians.
06:21
Andyouknow,I'musedtojustcominghomefromworkandIdon'twantnothingtodowiththeindustry.
06:26
Youknow,I'mnotlisteningtopodcasts.
06:28
Yeah,I'mandyouknow,soI'mI'mreallygladyouguysareoutthereanddoingwhatyou'redoing.
06:33
It'sit'srefreshingtosee.
06:35
Appreciateyou,myfriend.
06:36
Bestofluckinthefuture,anduhwe'lltalksoon.
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