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I'm Will.

And I am a well-caffeinated Derek.

Amen.

Good for you, man.

So usually we have some kind of catchy hook or, you know, we try to have a compelling

title to our various episodes and this one is going to be, at least for me, if

I can't afford it, I'm not interested in it.

And so what Derek and I thought we could talk about was some of these organizations,

these companies, these outfits that will take a, you know, a stock Porsche and they

will have some sort of process by which they quote-unquote improve it.

And so we're talking about a singer.

We're talking about a roof.

We're talking about, in the case of the mid-engine cars, demand.

So with the, you know, the massively upgraded motor and transmissions.

And so, you know, in today's episode, we're going to go through our

thoughts, impressions of, you know, driving these really heavily modified

or heavily quote-unquote improved versions of Porsches and, you know,

our thoughts on that.

And I'm going to be, you know, transparent about my personal experiences.

I've gone through the ownership journey of my own and what all, in fact,

I'll call it the maturation process.

And so before we go into that, Derek, what value can you add?

Well, that's a loaded question right there.

Maybe not, maybe not much.

But you know what I will say is that I think when it comes to

modding, we have these companies that do these re-imaginings.

And then we also have just the folks that want to make the cars their own

personalized, whether it's for performance or aesthetics.

And I think we'll probably talk about the three different buckets, stock.

And then if you modify it your own versus do you go to a company

where they have this complete overhaul of a car and it's, is it

the same car, is it a completely different car?

And this really, it kind of comes on the heels of these last

couple of months.

Well, we had a couple episodes that we put up from the archives

where we talk about good mods and bad mods.

So this kind of comes from that.

And also the fact that you recently just reimagined your ownership

of a Porsche GT4.

It was a car that you had.

You're finding the passion again.

And so the GT4 lands in your garage for the second time

and you just put a video out this week on Renthusiast on YouTube

getting into your thought process on why you did it and maybe

how you found love again with the GT product that before maybe

you didn't think that you love so much.

And so I'd encourage everyone to go check that out.

Also 11 After 9, my YouTube channel can currently, I dropped a video

regarding a very modified GT4 by the company Deman or Deman

Motorsports.

Rick Deman takes a GT4, punches out the motor, makes it faster,

changes the gearing, changes the cars in a lot of ways that will

maybe not make a purist very happy, but maybe might make a driver

very happy.

And so I get into that in my video.

Go check that out on 11 After 9, all spelled out.

And also on the audio side, folks, continue to please to

share with your driving groups.

Cars and coffee, I continue to get a lot of people coming

up saying they love to listen as they're mowing the lawn or as

they're driving to work.

So we're glad we can keep you company on the audio side.

So please feel free to subscribe to that as well.

So when we start talking about the journey into modifications,

let's start with the kind of the philosophy of why.

I mean, you definitely have these companies.

You mentioned Singer, Gunther Works, Rue, Deman.

You have these companies that take the cars from a stock

to something that is not conceptualized by the manufacturer.

But then you also have maybe something a little bit more

personal, you know, whether it's an exhaust modification or an

aesthetic change to the interior color change, seat change.

I mean, really, we get into it and have gotten into it in

previous episodes.

So why do you think is it an individuality thing to start

or is it just for design or performance?

Man, I was just listening to you talk there and there's just

there's so many thoughts that are swirling around in my mind.

And, you know, as far as these elite companies that you

just mentioned, you know, true to form, we're going to have

to look to you for any kind of technical information

about these companies or historical information from

whence they came because I touched on this.

Like if I can't afford it, I'm generally not that

interested in it.

And when I say that, what I mean is like, you know,

a singer way out of my reach.

And so, you know, my knowledge of the singer goes this far.

Oh, I was down in Miami at a show called DRT and there was

a singer sitting there on the golf course and I walked up

and I looked at it and I said, this is pretty cool.

And then I walked away.

If you've seen one, you've seen them all.

All due respect.

So I just kind of wanted to clarify what I had said on

the front end now.

If you've seen one, you've seen them all.

I think that from a design standpoint, they all kind of

follow the same rules, but they are pretty individual.

I get it.

No, no, no.

I totally understand.

I guess for me, it's just a category.

Category of a million dollar car.

Like that's cool.

I can't even get down to the granular level of like what

the specifics are just because it's neat and it looks good

and I'm sure it's fun to drive and then I'm just like,

well, and so to answer your, your other question about

mods, like, you know, what's more interesting to me is

I can afford a fister muffler for my 993.

So now I'm all in like I'm learning.

I'm into it.

Yeah.

And so, you know, why, why do people mod?

I mean, that's a great question, man.

I think there's probably a couple reasons of my experience

and of course I'm going to miss some, but I think for me

initially it was like, God, this world of Porsches.

Like there are so many things that you can do to dial

the car in and make it your own and make it an expression

of who you are and get creative with your, you know,

your aesthetic design and oh, by the way, you can,

especially with the air cooled, you can, you can improve

it marginally for not that much money.

And so I think you, you know, you kind of dive in that way.

I, you know, I had a silver, a polar silver 993.

It was my first air cooled Porsche and God, I don't know.

It's been like six years now, seven years, maybe.

And I did all of this when I'm getting ready to describe

all my channel.

And so there are videos from way back in the archives

covering this process, but I was new to the scene

and I got really excited.

And frankly, I didn't have a lot of experience in

modding these cars.

And so I went way overboard.

Like if it could be changed, I changed it.

You just hit those forums and you just said, what do I do?

What are people doing?

I'm going to do that to myself.

Well, I mean, I started to explore the world of, of, of

customization shops, right?

So I'm not talking about the, the singers of the world

clearly.

I'm talking about, you know, just that there are some,

there are some really cool air cooled outfits that can do

interiors and they can do motors and they can do

transmission work and they can do paint and body and all

this kind of stuff.

And, you know, when you, it's like you're, you go into

a place like that and I'm sure you've been inside of

these, these shops before, you know, it's like a kid in

a candy store like, wait a second.

I could do my seat centers.

Holy shit.

Let's do that.

And, and you know, you kind of like for me, I jumped

in willy-nilly and I started to kind of do a lot

and it was a fun journey and the content was cool

to create and I loved collaborating and learning

more and more.

But like I'm modded for the sake of modding, not

necessarily with a vision in mind for what I was

trying to create.

And so that maybe, I mean, I've interacted with a lot

of Porsche fanatics over the years via my channel and

other social media.

Like I think maybe I'm not along and being the

new guy on the scene who just wants to mod for

the sake of modding.

Yeah.

I mean, people might mod because they want to

make the car better and other people mod just

because they want to make the car different.

I think you said a long time ago and I agree with

this statement that one of the things that you'd

encourage anyone who buys a Porsche to do is drive

it for quite some time and get a feeling of what

the car is before you start to mod and it sounds

like on those early cars, you definitely didn't

do that.

You just started changing stuff because the

Internet told you to do that.

Yeah.

I think that's fair and I was going to rallies

at the time, you know, large gatherings of

Porsches, driving events, almost kind of underground

invite only and then, you know, there's there's

some freaking killer cars there and in a sense

you're like, man, I want mine to stand out too.

You know, man, that guy could do that to his holy

smokes had no idea you could do that.

You know, rally clocks on your dash.

That's badass.

Even though it's like maybe not appropriate for

the generation you're driving, right?

Like that kind of thing.

Thankfully, I didn't do that, but I just made

that up as something that somebody something

somebody might do.

You know what I would whenever I see rally

clocks, I'm like, gosh, that is so cool.

Like when I had my 356 or even my early 911 now,

like, man, that is so cool.

And then I immediately go to, well, where are

you going to park that where you have these

Breitling rally clocks on your dash and you're

just going to park it and walk away.

I would be so nervous about putting it anywhere.

Well, mine had like little clips where you

could just pull them out.

But I mean, I always left them in and left

them parked.

They never disappeared on me, but maybe you

maybe you live somewhere where there's a little

bit higher crime rate.

I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.

Well, so Porsche in general, you have

to agree with this.

I think Porsche in BMW, but especially Porsche

rewards the individualization of your car.

It's not a mark where you're penalized for that

like Ferrari, maybe Aston Martin, those

other higher end brands.

If you start changing your car in any real

way, they smack you down because you're

deviating from the Ferrari way.

You know how it came from the factory

where Porsche, I feel like it's celebrated

to change things, whether it's aesthetically

or performance oriented things, because

maybe it's because there's so many of them.

People want them to be individual or individual

eyes.

I'm not really sure, but I do think it is

definitely a brand that welcomes that more

than most like you walk down like on a

rally or cars and coffee, you tend to

gravitate to the cars that aren't stock

because they're different and kind of cool.

And they're an expression of the owner's

individuality.

Yeah.

Like ballsy livery, you know, some guys

got nuts with a decal scheme that is very

out of the box.

I would have never thought about it.

Everybody flocks to it, you know, that kind

of thing, you know, and I guess early on

people may tend to be chasing that and some

people pull it off well.

Other people, maybe not so much.

Yeah.

And maybe it's what they had on their

wall in college, you know, that kind

of car and talking about a singer or a

Gunther Works or something.

That's maybe the maybe that's the car

that's on the wall of today's youth.

Actually, they're probably hyper cars, not

even super cars anymore.

But I agree with you.

I mean, when you start to get to a certain

price point, it's really more a piece of

art and something you just can appreciate

for what it is and how it looks rather

than like I'm going to aspire to own

that.

But I guess that is has everything to do

completely with how much money is in

your wallet and in your bank account.

And so for most of us, it's just straight

modding.

Yeah, man.

So let's talk a little bit about that

because it's that's a nice transition to

this demand or demand treatment that

that can be done to, for example, a

GT4 or a spider.

And I guess you'll know more about this

to other models, perhaps, but

you know, what what demand or demand?

I wish I knew how to say it is doing is

just radically improving the engine

performance on these cars.

You and I both have experience driving

them.

You clearly have more than I do and to

give a plug for your video again on

11 after 9, you know, I guess you do

a full review of your experience into

the man car.

So I want to hear your opinion on

you know, that approach, whether

that's worth doing, you're never going

to see your money back.

When you do it, I happen to know that

to be true and your overall impression

on that and whether that is something

that if money were no object, you would

do to to a spider or to a GT4 that you

want that.

So that last question is a little bit

more loaded because it talks to

directly, you know, do you move away

from stock to not just modding but

modifying?

I mean, almost like one halfway

step to kind of reimagining like

these companies we talked about earlier

too.

So to my knowledge, demand does more

than just the GT4s and the spiders.

I think they also do a treatment for a

GT3.

I think maybe some other models as

well.

They do have 9 11 mods in terms of

the motors.

I don't know if they're all 4.5s.

They might be, you know, with the

the four O's being the kind of the

Porsche, more standard line motor

size.

So what they do is if you spend

the money, I think maybe the motor

upgrades, maybe I forget what I said

in the video, maybe 60 grand and

they take your four liter to a four

or five and that's just for the

motor.

And then you can also shorten your

gears, which a lot of people are

very pro whether you change the

motor or not.

Those 98 ones, the 99 ones, you

know, the teens into the late

teens, the dot twos.

Those cars have very long gears

and especially the boxers and the

Caymans.

And so a lot of people really want

to shift a lot more to keep the

power in the power band and to be

able to enjoy kind of getting into

it.

And so they shorten the gears.

I believe they shorten two through

five and makes a car a little bit

more tractable.

They put a limited slip in there

and they often change the headers

to like CatLess or Catted race

headers.

I think it depends on what you

want to do.

And so, you know, what does it

do?

I think a lot of the reason why

people like to mod is that on

these newer cars, everyone's

always talking about going more

analog.

I feel like a lot of people try

to chase the air cooled with the

water cooled.

And as time has gone on, Porsche

has become more digital, more

refined, faster for sure, more

engaging.

Well, I guess that's the question

and we've talked about it a

ton in our videos on the

podcast.

We talk about it's an analog

experience.

You know, I feel like I feel

like I'm back in the 1990s

or the 1970s.

And I think a lot of times

people try to mod these more

modern cars to get there.

So this is all coming back to

your question to me of is it

worth it?

The answer is I don't know.

What I can say is that in

driving the demand GT4 that I

did, it was much more

reminiscent of an air cooled

car than the current GT4.

I mean your car that you just

got and I haven't seen it

in person or driven it yet.

Hopefully maybe in October when

I see you for a lift to cult.

But you know, that's like like

a finely tuned watch, right?

Like it is so precise.

And when it when you rev it up,

it is so German and so mechanical

where I feel like what demand

does with his upgrade.

He almost injects.

I think that I mentioned this

last week on the podcast.

I did an intro to it's

almost like it almost

Americanizes it a little bit.

It almost puts a little bit

of old school hot rod muscle

into it.

Interesting.

Yeah.

In and if you think about it,

you hop in your 993.

It's just that kind of a little

bit more visceral, less refined,

which gives it a little bit more

character and of course a lot

more horsepower.

So OK, I drove a 981

spider that had been had

gotten this treatment and

it's been a year now.

I don't know longer, but I mean

and I don't want to slam any

company. I think that I mean

clearly this this company

has a great reputation.

I think they do great work

and there are there's huge.

There's apparently huge customer

base who's into it.

So when I say this, it is nothing.

I think there's a personal

preference thing.

That's my disclaimer.

Sure. I didn't like it.

I didn't like it.

I thought it was overpowered

for the chassis.

The spider I at the time I

owned a 981 spider and I had

a lot of experience

ripping that thing on back

roads, switchbacks, mountains,

you know, pushing it to the

limit, which I probably never

really did because the car

was so good.

I understand how that car

came from Porsche and I was

able to apples to apples

compared to the same exact model

with the demand set up in it.

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I just I found that it it

it it it.

You know, Nathan Merz did a

video a long time ago on the

G body generations

and the idea of hot rodding

them and what's a hot rod

and what's not.

And you know, he had this

and I can't remember

what the heck the term was.

But there was a term.

Maybe I'll make it up.

It's called like synchronicity

or there's something

that happens in a 9-11.

And if you're a real

enthusiast and a driver,

you'll know like when

and this happens for me

with the 9-9-3

when everything comes up.

The car is hot.

You've found your rhythm

like the tires are hot.

Everything just almost

starts to vibrate

together in a good way.

And the balance is just perfect.

You know, it's predictable.

It for me, especially the 9-9-3

it feels like hand in glove.

Like I found my zone.

I know what the car is going to do.

I am comfortable pushing it

and it just becomes like

I'm one with the car.

And he talks about how

some people will will

overpower, you know,

one of those G bodies

by putting a 3-8 in it.

Okay.

So like it's just too much

and that is that was my impression

of that demand.

The car, if I got in it

in mid-curve,

the car wanted to go straight

instead of dig in and turn

like my stock 9-8-1 Spider.

Yeah, it wanted to push.

Yeah, yeah, it wanted to push

because it just if to me

it was also reminiscent

of a bullet bike.

So back in the day,

I mean, I had a lot

of experience riding,

you know, fast motorcycles

and you know,

I could see the appeal

if you were somebody seeking

that experience.

Like if you were somebody

who wants to hoon

and you were somebody

that wants to go fast as hell

and just, you know,

be rowdy,

great fit for you.

I talked about this early on

like, you know,

this is going to sound goofy

to casual enthusiasts.

But I do think

at least for me,

it's been my experience

that I have matured

through the hobby on my way

and I've been

I've owned these cars

for God,

I don't even know now

eight years 10,

I don't even know

but I mean I

and I say this

not to flex

but just because

I'm a serial

experiencer

but I think I've owned

at last count like 17

up in and out

in and out.

I'm at a place now

where I really appreciate stock.

I think Porsche

gets it mostly right

from the factory.

So for me,

some of these

I'll call it

over modifying

it's just not

where it's at for me.

I would say this

and then I'll throw it

back over to you.

The one essential

modification

is suspension.

So I don't think

that I'll ever get

to a place

where I love the factory stilts

the stilt look

as it comes

but mostly man

in terms of the power

and the delivery

and the transmission

and I think you know

you embrace it

for what it is

you stick around

with the

with the period

correct balance

as it comes from Porsche

and I think

you know at least

I'm a happy guy.

You ask me

would I

spend the money

to do it

and that involves

getting a hundred

thousand dollar

GT four

and then putting

you know another

80 or 90

into it.

I would

I would consider buying

a used

demand

but for a hundred

eighty thousand dollars

in my personal economy

I don't think that

that makes sense for me

but I think you hit

the nail in the head

it is a perfect car

for someone

who likes to go fast

who wants to be

at the track

who when they're

on the street

wants a race car

for the street

like a true

like a bull

like it's

it is

it's like a

it's like a doberman

this thing

you know where

the GT four

is much more refined

this brings

kind of like that

I don't know

what the word is

I still

has that

cohesion

you're talking about

and I think

cohesion is a good word

for it

like when you

that might have been

the turn

with the car

Oh really

I didn't find

that it overpowered

the chassis at all

personally

because I think

that that platform

with the mid engine

is perfectly set up

for

you know

you could put

500 horsepower

into it

and as long

as you're

not stupid

going around a corner

and burying

your foot

and throttle

I didn't find

it to be too

unruly

it was definitely

fast

did it have

the Porsche balance?

Yeah

I don't know

you know

what

Jerry Seinfeld

always says this

where

he always wants to find

the perfect

kind of pure

low mileage

stock car

because he feels like

that is the

essence of Porsche

and this is not

like

any of these cars

is not the

essence of Porsche

I mean

even a singer

and their whole thing

is reimagining

a Porsche

to be

what is the

idealized

you know

version of it

that's still

not what came

from the factory

and so

you know

I think

when it comes

to demand

it is

for a certain

type of person

no doubt

I think

it's a cool car

would I

pick it over

a GT4

for the same

money

I don't know

I

I can't answer

that

I don't know

Yeah

I mean

I think it's

like this

is something

I have a lot

of passion

about

we each

have our own

unique

personal

individual

objectives

for what

we want to

get out of our ownership

experience

of our cars

I mean

you know

I don't have the right

answers

like that

demand could be

the perfect

you know

object

for somebody

who

wants that experience

and so

I don't know man

to each

zone

I guess

is my

take on it

I just

I have seen cars

that

you know

this

it's been a while

this particular car

that I drove

was headed

for

brain trailer

I think

it was accompanied

by $60,000

in receipts

you know

backing up

the work

that was done

Yep

and I don't think

that dude

ever saw that

money back

I just

for me

and my personal

economy

to use your term

like

I just

I can't stomach

that man

I've lost a lot

of money in these cars

it's like

what I do

I want to

I want a t-shirt

that says

I lose

money on cars

it's

what I do

but that's

a big pill

to swallow

right

right there

Yeah

there's losing

10 or $15,000

in mods

and then

there's

losing

80 to

$100,000

in mods

that's a lot

but again

I mean

if you got that

kind of money

and you don't care

that's fine

I mean

I'm not

I know people

in this world

who

they don't

give a shit

that's like

whatever

yeah

cause

I mean

God bless

them

they've been successful

well

I think

that's a great

point to make

well

is that

the market

doesn't reward

modifications

while

the market

allows modifications

for Porsche

I hope everyone

knows us

who's listening

to this

is that

if you

I mean

there are

certain things

you can do

like

uprated

suspension

and

in performance

modifications

that

you might see

a fraction

maybe 20%

back

it's done

correctly

but you'll never

get your money back

on mods

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to mod

to an extreme

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because

stock cars

in the

portion

world

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bring more

value

they just

they just do

and

if you're

going way

out

in left field

with

cosmetically

just like

to your taste

in your taste

only

and you've

gotten pretty

funky

not only

are you

looking at

hey

I'm not

getting my

money back

out of

all this

work

I've done

but you're

also saying

okay

now

I've really

narrowed

my market

because somebody's

got to be

willing to

like

what I

like

and I've

I'm pretty

unique

to a

point

it's a

side

I love

the listeners

might remember

that

I like to

dual sport

motorcycle

and I had

a KTM

it's like

one of their

adventure bikes

and KTM's

node for

off-road riding

and

it came

orange

and I was like

I kind of

want to make this

my own

it was

during

COVID

and so I got

and then

we talk about

wraps

right

I got this

sticker pack

where

I just

like

put all these

like

kind of

stickers on it

that made

it look

really sweet

it was like

like

a topographical

map

and it was like

my god

it just

look like

a rally bike

when I was done

I thought

look completely

badass

but

when it came

time to sell it

by the way

KTM's

leaked nonstop

and I just

I'll never buy

another one

back

went back to

BMW

after that

but

the

when I went to

sell it

I couldn't

get a seller

to save my life

because

people are

like

that

was what

you like

but that's

not what

I want

and so

for the same

reason

when you start

to talk about

mods

you know

if you have

a giant

wing on the back

or you have

these crazy

rims

that cost

you

six

seven thousand

dollars

that

take them off

if you're

gonna sell the car

put all the stock

crap back

on

if you want to move

it

it's not really

the same.

Yep

for sure

man

yes

yes yes yes

been there

the only other

thing

the only thing

I will say

right

is when

it's okay to

mod a car

is that

if you're

bored of the car

and you

don't want to

move on to

another car

then

have at it

right

for sure

yes

and also

if you

pick up a car

like

when it comes

to value

I think

we're all

value hunters

everyone wants

to find that

garage

or barn

find

everyone wants

to find

the car

that's

out in the

field

driving the other day

and I

I passed by a 944

turbo that's

been sent in

this guy's

yard

just

in the

weather

and it

has been

for years

and I just

want to go

knock on this

door

and be like

dude

number one

what are you

doing

and number

two

can I

pull that

out of there

and just

take it away

for you

because you

obviously

it doesn't

run or

something

but when

you get a car

like that

I think

it's perfectly

fine to go

just go

buck nutty

and do

whatever you

want to it

because

if you can

get it

for next

to know

money

then it doesn't

owe you anything

and you can

kind of

make it

what

it is

I did this

again

not to talk

about motorcycles

on a car

podcast

but

you know

I

I like to

take old

seventies

BMW

motorcycles

and turn them

into

scramblers

you can

get them

for a thousand

box

you'll

never get

your money

back

but you can

make them

so cool

and you

don't feel

like you're

taking an

$80,000

911

and turning it

into a

rally car

you know

that you

won't see

the money back

on

before it was a

martini

edition

it was a

piece of

shit

it did run

and I've

stole the

thing

and it came

with

like

belong

I bought it

through a

mechanic

friend of mine

who

he had another

customer

who had

bought it

along with

like

individual

throttle

bodies

and the tune

and all this

stuff

for the car

so I

stole the car

plus all the engine

mods

and stuff

and so

what we did

was

so we lifted it

and put the

Navi tires on it

you know

I have a couple

videos on the car

and it's

funny like

my viewers

they

notice that it was

like

on the

channel

and then all

the sudden

mysteriously

disappeared

and so

that was

one of those

right like

I knew

I was never

going to see

the money back

and so

I had my

fun with it

but what was

interesting is

we could never

get the motor

to run

right

so it

ended up

I parked it

in an offsite

garage

that I had

like

in the throttle like

it would it would

modulate

like you couldn't

keep the

it would want to

die on you

unless you

kept your

foot in the

gas

the whole time

like

you started

you had

so

it ended up

staying parked

and

one day

I went down there

and I

smelled fuel

I say down there

because it was

offsite

I only went to

the shop

every now

and then

to see it

and it had

leaking fuel

like

damn it

now

I got to fix this

anyway

long story

short

my brother

and I

were running

that garage

and we had

like a man cave

up above it

and we

it came time

to get out of there

and so we

we hired

this shop

this this

outfit

who would come in

and they would

consign

all your stuff

for you

and so

like

they came in

and they moved

out the desks

and the office

furniture

and the rugs

and all the other

shit

that we had

in there

and like

the car

was sitting there

and I'm like

now

what am I

going to do

because

I really

couldn't drive

the thing

it wasn't

street legal

I never

even like

titled it

you know

there's

just an

Albatross

around your

neck

yeah

so the guy

was like

hey

this is so bad

he's like

hey man

I think I could probably

get ten or twenty thousand

dollars for this

if you let me

consign this

and in my mind

I'm like

that thing is worth

the thousand bucks

if that

oh no

but I'm like

if you think

and I was

I was

I was pretty

transparent

I'm like

I don't know

man

that seems like

pretty aggressive

but if you think

you can get that

go for it

because he didn't

know shit

about Porsche

and you know

he I'm sure

he just went

and looked up

924

whatever

long story short

this is like

that's a lot

of words to say

the man

he towed the car

out of there

this was a

two

three years ago now

he towed the car

out of there

I haven't seen it since

I don't know

what became of the car

I'll just say

that I considered

effectively stolen

I think he stole

the car from me

and

I'm glad it's gone

so he never gave you

any money for it

he just said

I'll see what I can

do with it

yeah

he put it on trailer

tell you where

we took the rest

of the stuff

and so I guess

like that

I don't know

I just

haven't thought

about that story

in a long time

but when you steal

something like that

you have a little bit

of fun with it

maybe it goes

well

maybe it doesn't

but

at a certain point

if it didn't go

well

you're just glad

it disappeared

you don't have to

deal with it

it's kind of

like your car

that you had to

chop into pieces

to get out of

your dad's garage

like

at least I didn't have

to chop mine up

you know

so

I'll consider

that one

stolen

it's probably

been a year

yes

since I

brought that story

up

but

I had a night

tell it real

quick

yeah

let's hear it

just

I laugh

every time

I had a 924

turbo

my brother

and I bought it was

effectively my first

Porsche

it was a giant

piece of crap

but never ran

it was a

spaghetti of

wires inside

my brother

and I got it

running briefly

but I was back

in college

and so

we just left

in my

parents garage

and it

lived there

forever

and ever

and then

we just

kind of

moved out

and just left

it there

we didn't

have a title

my dad

and my dad

needed to

get rid of it

and he's like

if I bring it

to the

junk

here

they're

going to

want to know

that

it's going to

be stolen

they're going to

think that

I stole it

and

he's like

I just got to

get rid of this

and so my dad

went through

three

sawzalls

and probably

30

sawzall

blades

and literally

cut the car

up

into a hundred

pieces

and put them

in the trash

piece by

piece

over time

and that had to be

like therapeutic

to do

I mean

it was a

pain

I'm

I'm sure

certain points

for other points

you know

they talk

about getting

your anger

out by

smashing

things

at least the

maybe smash

room

in my parents

garage

yeah

exactly

people paid good money

for

what is it

real well

for him

for

Nikai son

or

to take

take a

sawzall

and start

cutting out

your wheel wells

to put on

I watched

I watched a video

of him

doing that

one time

I guess

he was

at a show

and then somebody

anyway

like

so that's not even

don't even get me

started

on that whole thing

but that's

mods too

right

I mean

that's just

it's not my bag

but that's

certainly

some people

really like

that

giant

you know

wheel well

just this

muscular huge wings

most cartoonish

with a Japanese

flair to it

I'll politely

change the subject

fair

but anyways

I don't know

how we got on

the night

to four

but I do

I do think

it's fine

if you can

pick up something

that is

kind of a

crappy car

and fix it up

in your garage

and then

you make it

you know

you

mod the

crap out of it

and then

go ahead

and enjoy it

and just realize

you never

get the money back

in that regard

I have a much

harder time

though

when

someone's taking

like a

G body

and

adding the

heck out of it

and then think

that they're going

to get

$50,000

more

because they

put

$70,000

into it

that's the

bat special

where it's been

done

on the

cheap

and

you know

the pictures

are conveniently

taken from

angles

that don't

reveal

that the bolts

don't

match

and

et cetera

that's a different

that's a good point

right

by

by that car

when

it's

when it's

it's already done

like that

the month

that

I'm going to say

them on too

it's

demand

that

demand car

that I

drove

that's for sale

and I know that

he's not going to see

his money back

but it's a

great car

and worth

every penny

he's looking

to charge

for it

so

anyone wants

a

demand

GT4

it's

in

main

right now

reach out

and I'll

connect you

with the guy

he was

nice enough

to let me

drive it

yeah man

so that's

that's the thing

let's

let's close

on this note

just talking

about mods

and

I bought

my

racing yellow

GT4

and it had been

modded

in my

opinion

poorly

and when

I bought the car

I knew

that

and

the plan

and where I had to land

financially

on the number

I paid for the car

was

I needed to

bake in

not money

to mod

but money

to

unmod

so some

somebody

put

satin

PPF

on the car

which

dulled

the beautiful

bright paint

and

it's interesting

to like

the satin

seem to

attract

dirt

and hold it

so not only

did it

dull the paint

but also like

was

was dirty

in places

I just

couldn't get it

to let go

of that dirt

so

I had to pay a guy

to

remove

all that

PPF

which

actually

there's a little bit

a little bit of

role in the

dice

Derek

because you and I

talked about this

on a previous

episode

like

you don't really

know

what's going on

under

a wrap

until you

pull it off

now

thankfully

this was

semi-clear

so you

could see

if there's

any real paint

problems

but still

could have

pulled some

clear off

but

I rolled

the dice

man

and I won

because

that's great

beautiful

also there was

a brutal

exhaust

I don't know

I'm not going to

say the name

of the companies

I'm not about

the business of

slammering

companies

that

manufacture exhaust

but I'm like

God

who would

like this

it was

loud

it

droned

in it

actually

kind of

almost changed

the pressure

in the cabin

with the windows shut

it would mess

with your

ears

so I had to

unmod

that

that exhaust

that after

market exhaust

that was on

that car

when I bought it

I had to source

an original set

up

I mean it was actually

a little bit

more of a pain

in the neck

I thought it would be

but

I actually had to

unmod

to get that

GT4

to a place

of

mostly stock

it still has

a shark

works

tips on it

which I really

would like to

swap out

for

factory

I guess

that'll come

at a later date

so

you know

here

I guess

here's the point

of the story

you go from

a guy

who buys

a 993

in 2018

and over

mods it

you know

fast forward

2025

he buys a

GT4

that's been

modded

and he

unmods it

to get it back

to stock

and so

go figure

growth

progress

I mean

who knows

it's just

where you are

in your journey

well

I'm psyched

to feature

that car

on the channel

like I

for whatever reason

man

and I was

never a

yellow car

person

I mean

I appreciated

when I

saw him out

but I just

never

thought

I would

own one

I did

own a

speed

yellow

996

for a hot

second

sold it

regretted it

so

I'm just

really tickled

to have this

racing

yellow

GT4

in my garage

and so

I can't wait

to do

some more content

on it

it adds to the

the color palette

that when you open

your garage

doors

it

for sure

the cool

how is it to drive

the GT4

I mean

is

is it

is it as exciting

as you remember

from your last

one

yeah

you know

I

I think

it's a great

way to get into

the GT car

lineup

cost

effectively

I mean

even 996

GT3s

are starting

to climb

you know

and so

if you're looking

to get into

into the

GT product

and you don't

want to

spend

GT

great option

I mean

it's

it's a

great car

man

you get

into it

and

you know

you're

almost

like

my girlfriend

says

hey

hey like

I feel like

I'm in

like

a little airplane

cockpit

or something

there's

just something

it's

hard to describe

so

like

is it exciting

hell

yeah

I mean

I can't

wait to get it

into the mountains

this one

feels a little bit

different

than my first

one

so this is

the second

GT4

981

GT4

that I've

owned

the first

one

felt a lot

sharper

and a lot

less

streetable

in a way

which is

part of the reason

I sold it

and it was

stock

but it only

had 7,000

miles on it

this has 17

so maybe

it's been broken

in a little bit

the suspension

is a little

softer

than my

first one

so to answer

your question

is it

is it exciting

yeah

am I

excited to go

for

drives

this fall

up in the mountains

over and over

in it

hell yeah

I am

and you have the

right

seats in it

yeah

sofa seats

man

I've been

getting some questions

and maybe

some like

surprised looks

from people

who

you know

are pretty high

on the buckets

I own two cars

with buckets

I think that

you got to experience

the buckets

as an owner

if you're

somebody who

who are

like

if you're a Porsche

person

you got to try

out the buckets

for a while

they are tedious

if you're

trying to do

around town

use

climb in

climb out

climb in

climb out

so these sofas

are

fricking awesome

I'm loving that too

yep

you can get out

of the buckets

and go right

into the

chiropractor

because

that's what

they're good for

I am

anti-bucket

but I'm glad

I'm glad you

you got the car

I'll tell you

I mentioned this

to you

offline

but

man

I was never

a yellow car guy

but

you've taken

some really beautiful

pictures of those

cars

and

it's

it's definitely

piqued my

interest

so I'm just

waiting for you

to buy

your next

brown car

and then

we'll know

you've come

full circle

yeah

I'm

I'm not

going to say

solidly

anti-brown

but anti

excuse me

brown doesn't

do much for me

but maybe

maybe I'll

continue to grow

so for

for the folks

listening

if you wouldn't mind

just sharing

with us in the comments

about a mod

maybe the wildest

mod you

might have done

that actually

worked out

because

a lot of times

people mod

and then

regret

and so

I'm kind of curious

if people

have done a

crazy mod

and they were like

that is

100%

worth it

whether

it's going

as far as

a demand

type of modification

or something

as simple

as just

upsizing

your wheels

I'm always curious

because I'd love

to know

what options

are

for the

for the different cars

but I think

we can both agree

well

that it's nice

that in the Porsche

world

camps exist

and they're all kind of

accepted in different

ways

you know

whether you

go for a

re-imagined car

by a

company

or you're just

you know

even wrapping

your car

to a different color

if it makes

you happy

I think generally

people

are happy for you

yeah

and what is cool

I mean

the

the plethora

of options

that are

out there

they're available

to us

you know

there are

just so many

obscure things

that you can

do to dial

them in

and so

if you are

looking to

mod

please know

that there's

no shortage

of

good talk my friend

we'll catch you

next week

all right

man

a little meandering

but hopefully

good for the listeners

nonetheless

so I'll

I'll see you

next time

later dude

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