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Stock vs. Reimagined: Better or Too Much?
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About this episode
Exploring the nuances of Porsche ownership, Will and Derek debate the merits of stock versus heavily modified vehicles. They discuss high-end companies like Singer and Deman, which reimagine Porsches, and the personal experiences that shape their views on modifications. The conversation dives into the philosophy behind car personalization, the balance between performance and aesthetics, and the financial implications of modifying versus restoring to stock. With anecdotes from their own journeys, they reflect on what makes a Porsche truly special and how modifications can impact the driving experience.
Topics:
stock vs modified
Porsche ownership
Singer
Deman Motorsports
performance modifications
personalization
financial implications of mods
driving experience
aesthetics vs performance
individuality in cars
Stock vs. Reimagined: When Mods Make (and Break) a Porsche
In this week’s episode of Rennthusiast Radio, Derek and Will dive deep into the world of Porsche modifications. From legendary reimaginings like Singer, Ruf, and Gunther Werks to hardcore engine builds from DeMan Motorsports, we ask the big question: do these mods actually make a Porsche better—or do they break what made it great in the first place?
We share our own experiences with over-modding, un-modding, and living with cars that have been pushed far beyond factory spec. From GT4s and Spyders to classic 911s, we cover:
- Why some mods add character while others kill balance
- The reality of losing money on heavily modified cars
- Whether big-dollar reimagined Porsches are worth the price
- Why suspension might be the only “essential” upgrade
- How personal taste vs. resale value collides in the Porsche world
If you’ve ever debated going all-in on mods, dreamed about owning a Singer, or wondered whether stock is secretly best, this episode is for you.
Don’t forget to subscribe for more Porsche stories, ownership insights, and hard-earned lessons from two serial Porsche owners.
#Porsche #Singer #Ruf #DeManMotorsports #PorscheGT4 #PorscheMods #RennthusiastRadio
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I'm Will.
And I am a well-caffeinated Derek.
Amen.
Good for you, man.
So usually we have some kind of catchy hook or, you know, we try to have a compelling
title to our various episodes and this one is going to be, at least for me, if
I can't afford it, I'm not interested in it.
And so what Derek and I thought we could talk about was some of these organizations,
these companies, these outfits that will take a, you know, a stock Porsche and they
will have some sort of process by which they quote-unquote improve it.
And so we're talking about a singer.
We're talking about a roof.
We're talking about, in the case of the mid-engine cars, demand.
So with the, you know, the massively upgraded motor and transmissions.
And so, you know, in today's episode, we're going to go through our
thoughts, impressions of, you know, driving these really heavily modified
or heavily quote-unquote improved versions of Porsches and, you know,
our thoughts on that.
And I'm going to be, you know, transparent about my personal experiences.
I've gone through the ownership journey of my own and what all, in fact,
I'll call it the maturation process.
And so before we go into that, Derek, what value can you add?
Well, that's a loaded question right there.
Maybe not, maybe not much.
But you know what I will say is that I think when it comes to
modding, we have these companies that do these re-imaginings.
And then we also have just the folks that want to make the cars their own
personalized, whether it's for performance or aesthetics.
And I think we'll probably talk about the three different buckets, stock.
And then if you modify it your own versus do you go to a company
where they have this complete overhaul of a car and it's, is it
the same car, is it a completely different car?
And this really, it kind of comes on the heels of these last
couple of months.
Well, we had a couple episodes that we put up from the archives
where we talk about good mods and bad mods.
So this kind of comes from that.
And also the fact that you recently just reimagined your ownership
of a Porsche GT4.
It was a car that you had.
You're finding the passion again.
And so the GT4 lands in your garage for the second time
and you just put a video out this week on Renthusiast on YouTube
getting into your thought process on why you did it and maybe
how you found love again with the GT product that before maybe
you didn't think that you love so much.
And so I'd encourage everyone to go check that out.
Also 11 After 9, my YouTube channel can currently, I dropped a video
regarding a very modified GT4 by the company Deman or Deman
Motorsports.
Rick Deman takes a GT4, punches out the motor, makes it faster,
changes the gearing, changes the cars in a lot of ways that will
maybe not make a purist very happy, but maybe might make a driver
very happy.
And so I get into that in my video.
Go check that out on 11 After 9, all spelled out.
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they're driving to work.
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So please feel free to subscribe to that as well.
So when we start talking about the journey into modifications,
let's start with the kind of the philosophy of why.
I mean, you definitely have these companies.
You mentioned Singer, Gunther Works, Rue, Deman.
You have these companies that take the cars from a stock
to something that is not conceptualized by the manufacturer.
But then you also have maybe something a little bit more
personal, you know, whether it's an exhaust modification or an
aesthetic change to the interior color change, seat change.
I mean, really, we get into it and have gotten into it in
previous episodes.
So why do you think is it an individuality thing to start
or is it just for design or performance?
Man, I was just listening to you talk there and there's just
there's so many thoughts that are swirling around in my mind.
And, you know, as far as these elite companies that you
just mentioned, you know, true to form, we're going to have
to look to you for any kind of technical information
about these companies or historical information from
whence they came because I touched on this.
Like if I can't afford it, I'm generally not that
interested in it.
And when I say that, what I mean is like, you know,
a singer way out of my reach.
And so, you know, my knowledge of the singer goes this far.
Oh, I was down in Miami at a show called DRT and there was
a singer sitting there on the golf course and I walked up
and I looked at it and I said, this is pretty cool.
And then I walked away.
If you've seen one, you've seen them all.
All due respect.
So I just kind of wanted to clarify what I had said on
the front end now.
If you've seen one, you've seen them all.
I think that from a design standpoint, they all kind of
follow the same rules, but they are pretty individual.
I get it.
No, no, no.
I totally understand.
I guess for me, it's just a category.
Category of a million dollar car.
Like that's cool.
I can't even get down to the granular level of like what
the specifics are just because it's neat and it looks good
and I'm sure it's fun to drive and then I'm just like,
well, and so to answer your, your other question about
mods, like, you know, what's more interesting to me is
I can afford a fister muffler for my 993.
So now I'm all in like I'm learning.
I'm into it.
Yeah.
And so, you know, why, why do people mod?
I mean, that's a great question, man.
I think there's probably a couple reasons of my experience
and of course I'm going to miss some, but I think for me
initially it was like, God, this world of Porsches.
Like there are so many things that you can do to dial
the car in and make it your own and make it an expression
of who you are and get creative with your, you know,
your aesthetic design and oh, by the way, you can,
especially with the air cooled, you can, you can improve
it marginally for not that much money.
And so I think you, you know, you kind of dive in that way.
I, you know, I had a silver, a polar silver 993.
It was my first air cooled Porsche and God, I don't know.
It's been like six years now, seven years, maybe.
And I did all of this when I'm getting ready to describe
all my channel.
And so there are videos from way back in the archives
covering this process, but I was new to the scene
and I got really excited.
And frankly, I didn't have a lot of experience in
modding these cars.
And so I went way overboard.
Like if it could be changed, I changed it.
You just hit those forums and you just said, what do I do?
What are people doing?
I'm going to do that to myself.
Well, I mean, I started to explore the world of, of, of
customization shops, right?
So I'm not talking about the, the singers of the world
clearly.
I'm talking about, you know, just that there are some,
there are some really cool air cooled outfits that can do
interiors and they can do motors and they can do
transmission work and they can do paint and body and all
this kind of stuff.
And, you know, when you, it's like you're, you go into
a place like that and I'm sure you've been inside of
these, these shops before, you know, it's like a kid in
a candy store like, wait a second.
I could do my seat centers.
Holy shit.
Let's do that.
And, and you know, you kind of like for me, I jumped
in willy-nilly and I started to kind of do a lot
and it was a fun journey and the content was cool
to create and I loved collaborating and learning
more and more.
But like I'm modded for the sake of modding, not
necessarily with a vision in mind for what I was
trying to create.
And so that maybe, I mean, I've interacted with a lot
of Porsche fanatics over the years via my channel and
other social media.
Like I think maybe I'm not along and being the
new guy on the scene who just wants to mod for
the sake of modding.
Yeah.
I mean, people might mod because they want to
make the car better and other people mod just
because they want to make the car different.
I think you said a long time ago and I agree with
this statement that one of the things that you'd
encourage anyone who buys a Porsche to do is drive
it for quite some time and get a feeling of what
the car is before you start to mod and it sounds
like on those early cars, you definitely didn't
do that.
You just started changing stuff because the
Internet told you to do that.
Yeah.
I think that's fair and I was going to rallies
at the time, you know, large gatherings of
Porsches, driving events, almost kind of underground
invite only and then, you know, there's there's
some freaking killer cars there and in a sense
you're like, man, I want mine to stand out too.
You know, man, that guy could do that to his holy
smokes had no idea you could do that.
You know, rally clocks on your dash.
That's badass.
Even though it's like maybe not appropriate for
the generation you're driving, right?
Like that kind of thing.
Thankfully, I didn't do that, but I just made
that up as something that somebody something
somebody might do.
You know what I would whenever I see rally
clocks, I'm like, gosh, that is so cool.
Like when I had my 356 or even my early 911 now,
like, man, that is so cool.
And then I immediately go to, well, where are
you going to park that where you have these
Breitling rally clocks on your dash and you're
just going to park it and walk away.
I would be so nervous about putting it anywhere.
Well, mine had like little clips where you
could just pull them out.
But I mean, I always left them in and left
them parked.
They never disappeared on me, but maybe you
maybe you live somewhere where there's a little
bit higher crime rate.
I grew up on the wrong side of the tracks.
Well, so Porsche in general, you have
to agree with this.
I think Porsche in BMW, but especially Porsche
rewards the individualization of your car.
It's not a mark where you're penalized for that
like Ferrari, maybe Aston Martin, those
other higher end brands.
If you start changing your car in any real
way, they smack you down because you're
deviating from the Ferrari way.
You know how it came from the factory
where Porsche, I feel like it's celebrated
to change things, whether it's aesthetically
or performance oriented things, because
maybe it's because there's so many of them.
People want them to be individual or individual
eyes.
I'm not really sure, but I do think it is
definitely a brand that welcomes that more
than most like you walk down like on a
rally or cars and coffee, you tend to
gravitate to the cars that aren't stock
because they're different and kind of cool.
And they're an expression of the owner's
individuality.
Yeah.
Like ballsy livery, you know, some guys
got nuts with a decal scheme that is very
out of the box.
I would have never thought about it.
Everybody flocks to it, you know, that kind
of thing, you know, and I guess early on
people may tend to be chasing that and some
people pull it off well.
Other people, maybe not so much.
Yeah.
And maybe it's what they had on their
wall in college, you know, that kind
of car and talking about a singer or a
Gunther Works or something.
That's maybe the maybe that's the car
that's on the wall of today's youth.
Actually, they're probably hyper cars, not
even super cars anymore.
But I agree with you.
I mean, when you start to get to a certain
price point, it's really more a piece of
art and something you just can appreciate
for what it is and how it looks rather
than like I'm going to aspire to own
that.
But I guess that is has everything to do
completely with how much money is in
your wallet and in your bank account.
And so for most of us, it's just straight
modding.
Yeah, man.
So let's talk a little bit about that
because it's that's a nice transition to
this demand or demand treatment that
that can be done to, for example, a
GT4 or a spider.
And I guess you'll know more about this
to other models, perhaps, but
you know, what what demand or demand?
I wish I knew how to say it is doing is
just radically improving the engine
performance on these cars.
You and I both have experience driving
them.
You clearly have more than I do and to
give a plug for your video again on
11 after 9, you know, I guess you do
a full review of your experience into
the man car.
So I want to hear your opinion on
you know, that approach, whether
that's worth doing, you're never going
to see your money back.
When you do it, I happen to know that
to be true and your overall impression
on that and whether that is something
that if money were no object, you would
do to to a spider or to a GT4 that you
want that.
So that last question is a little bit
more loaded because it talks to
directly, you know, do you move away
from stock to not just modding but
modifying?
I mean, almost like one halfway
step to kind of reimagining like
these companies we talked about earlier
too.
So to my knowledge, demand does more
than just the GT4s and the spiders.
I think they also do a treatment for a
GT3.
I think maybe some other models as
well.
They do have 9 11 mods in terms of
the motors.
I don't know if they're all 4.5s.
They might be, you know, with the
the four O's being the kind of the
Porsche, more standard line motor
size.
So what they do is if you spend
the money, I think maybe the motor
upgrades, maybe I forget what I said
in the video, maybe 60 grand and
they take your four liter to a four
or five and that's just for the
motor.
And then you can also shorten your
gears, which a lot of people are
very pro whether you change the
motor or not.
Those 98 ones, the 99 ones, you
know, the teens into the late
teens, the dot twos.
Those cars have very long gears
and especially the boxers and the
Caymans.
And so a lot of people really want
to shift a lot more to keep the
power in the power band and to be
able to enjoy kind of getting into
it.
And so they shorten the gears.
I believe they shorten two through
five and makes a car a little bit
more tractable.
They put a limited slip in there
and they often change the headers
to like CatLess or Catted race
headers.
I think it depends on what you
want to do.
And so, you know, what does it
do?
I think a lot of the reason why
people like to mod is that on
these newer cars, everyone's
always talking about going more
analog.
I feel like a lot of people try
to chase the air cooled with the
water cooled.
And as time has gone on, Porsche
has become more digital, more
refined, faster for sure, more
engaging.
Well, I guess that's the question
and we've talked about it a
ton in our videos on the
podcast.
We talk about it's an analog
experience.
You know, I feel like I feel
like I'm back in the 1990s
or the 1970s.
And I think a lot of times
people try to mod these more
modern cars to get there.
So this is all coming back to
your question to me of is it
worth it?
The answer is I don't know.
What I can say is that in
driving the demand GT4 that I
did, it was much more
reminiscent of an air cooled
car than the current GT4.
I mean your car that you just
got and I haven't seen it
in person or driven it yet.
Hopefully maybe in October when
I see you for a lift to cult.
But you know, that's like like
a finely tuned watch, right?
Like it is so precise.
And when it when you rev it up,
it is so German and so mechanical
where I feel like what demand
does with his upgrade.
He almost injects.
I think that I mentioned this
last week on the podcast.
I did an intro to it's
almost like it almost
Americanizes it a little bit.
It almost puts a little bit
of old school hot rod muscle
into it.
Interesting.
Yeah.
In and if you think about it,
you hop in your 993.
It's just that kind of a little
bit more visceral, less refined,
which gives it a little bit more
character and of course a lot
more horsepower.
So OK, I drove a 981
spider that had been had
gotten this treatment and
it's been a year now.
I don't know longer, but I mean
and I don't want to slam any
company. I think that I mean
clearly this this company
has a great reputation.
I think they do great work
and there are there's huge.
There's apparently huge customer
base who's into it.
So when I say this, it is nothing.
I think there's a personal
preference thing.
That's my disclaimer.
Sure. I didn't like it.
I didn't like it.
I thought it was overpowered
for the chassis.
The spider I at the time I
owned a 981 spider and I had
a lot of experience
ripping that thing on back
roads, switchbacks, mountains,
you know, pushing it to the
limit, which I probably never
really did because the car
was so good.
I understand how that car
came from Porsche and I was
able to apples to apples
compared to the same exact model
with the demand set up in it.
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I just I found that it it
it it it.
You know, Nathan Merz did a
video a long time ago on the
G body generations
and the idea of hot rodding
them and what's a hot rod
and what's not.
And you know, he had this
and I can't remember
what the heck the term was.
But there was a term.
Maybe I'll make it up.
It's called like synchronicity
or there's something
that happens in a 9-11.
And if you're a real
enthusiast and a driver,
you'll know like when
and this happens for me
with the 9-9-3
when everything comes up.
The car is hot.
You've found your rhythm
like the tires are hot.
Everything just almost
starts to vibrate
together in a good way.
And the balance is just perfect.
You know, it's predictable.
It for me, especially the 9-9-3
it feels like hand in glove.
Like I found my zone.
I know what the car is going to do.
I am comfortable pushing it
and it just becomes like
I'm one with the car.
And he talks about how
some people will will
overpower, you know,
one of those G bodies
by putting a 3-8 in it.
Okay.
So like it's just too much
and that is that was my impression
of that demand.
The car, if I got in it
in mid-curve,
the car wanted to go straight
instead of dig in and turn
like my stock 9-8-1 Spider.
Yeah, it wanted to push.
Yeah, yeah, it wanted to push
because it just if to me
it was also reminiscent
of a bullet bike.
So back in the day,
I mean, I had a lot
of experience riding,
you know, fast motorcycles
and you know,
I could see the appeal
if you were somebody seeking
that experience.
Like if you were somebody
who wants to hoon
and you were somebody
that wants to go fast as hell
and just, you know,
be rowdy,
great fit for you.
I talked about this early on
like, you know,
this is going to sound goofy
to casual enthusiasts.
But I do think
at least for me,
it's been my experience
that I have matured
through the hobby on my way
and I've been
I've owned these cars
for God,
I don't even know now
eight years 10,
I don't even know
but I mean I
and I say this
not to flex
but just because
I'm a serial
experiencer
but I think I've owned
at last count like 17
up in and out
in and out.
I'm at a place now
where I really appreciate stock.
I think Porsche
gets it mostly right
from the factory.
So for me,
some of these
I'll call it
over modifying
it's just not
it's just not
where it's at for me.
I would say this
and then I'll throw it
back over to you.
The one essential
modification
is suspension.
So I don't think
that I'll ever get
to a place
where I love the factory stilts
the stilt look
as it comes
but mostly man
in terms of the power
and the delivery
and the transmission
and I think you know
you embrace it
for what it is
you stick around
with the
with the period
correct balance
as it comes from Porsche
and I think
you know at least
I'm a happy guy.
You ask me
would I
spend the money
to do it
and that involves
getting a hundred
thousand dollar
GT four
and then putting
you know another
80 or 90
into it.
I would
I would consider buying
a used
demand
but for a hundred
eighty thousand dollars
in my personal economy
I don't think that
that makes sense for me
but I think you hit
the nail in the head
it is a perfect car
for someone
who likes to go fast
who wants to be
at the track
who when they're
on the street
wants a race car
for the street
like a true
like a bull
like it's
it is
it's like a
it's like a doberman
this thing
you know where
the GT four
is much more refined
this brings
kind of like that
I don't know
what the word is
I still
has that
cohesion
you're talking about
and I think
cohesion is a good word
for it
like when you
that might have been
the turn
with the car
Oh really
I didn't find
that it overpowered
the chassis at all
personally
because I think
that that platform
with the mid engine
is perfectly set up
for
you know
you could put
500 horsepower
into it
and as long
as you're
not stupid
going around a corner
and burying
your foot
and throttle
I didn't find
it to be too
unruly
it was definitely
fast
did it have
the Porsche balance?
Yeah
I don't know
I don't know
you know
what
Jerry Seinfeld
always says this
where
he always wants to find
the perfect
kind of pure
low mileage
stock car
because he feels like
that is the
essence of Porsche
and this is not
like
any of these cars
is not the
essence of Porsche
I mean
even a singer
and their whole thing
is reimagining
a Porsche
to be
what is the
idealized
you know
version of it
that's still
not what came
from the factory
and so
you know
I think
when it comes
to demand
it is
for a certain
type of person
no doubt
I think
it's a cool car
would I
pick it over
a GT4
for the same
money
I don't know
I
I can't answer
that
I don't know
Yeah
I mean
I think it's
like this
is something
I have a lot
of passion
about
we each
have our own
unique
personal
individual
objectives
for what
we want to
get out of our ownership
experience
of our cars
I mean
you know
I don't have the right
answers
like that
demand could be
the perfect
you know
object
for somebody
who
wants that experience
and so
I don't know man
to each
zone
I guess
is my
is my
take on it
I just
I have seen cars
that
you know
this
it's been a while
this particular car
that I drove
was headed
for
brain trailer
I think
it was accompanied
by $60,000
in receipts
you know
backing up
the work
that was done
Yep
and I don't think
that dude
ever saw that
money back
I just
for me
and my personal
economy
to use your term
like
I just
I can't stomach
that man
I've lost a lot
of money in these cars
it's like
what I do
I want to
I want a t-shirt
that says
I lose
money on cars
it's
what I do
but that's
a big pill
to swallow
right
right there
Yeah
there's losing
10 or $15,000
in mods
and then
there's
losing
80 to
$100,000
in mods
that's a lot
but again
I mean
if you got that
kind of money
and you don't care
that's fine
I mean
I'm not
I know people
in this world
who
they don't
give a shit
that's like
whatever
yeah
cause
I mean
God bless
them
they've been successful
well
I think
that's a great
point to make
well
is that
the market
doesn't reward
modifications
while
the market
allows modifications
for Porsche
I hope everyone
knows us
who's listening
to this
is that
if you
I mean
there are
certain things
you can do
like
uprated
suspension
and
in performance
modifications
that
you might see
a fraction
maybe 20%
back
it's done
correctly
but you'll never
get your money back
on mods
and when you start
to mod
to an extreme
extent
with no fees
or minimums
on checking
accounts
it's
no wonder
the Capital One
bank guy
is so passionate
about banking
with Capital One
if he were here
he wouldn't
just tell you
about no
fees
or minimums
he'd also
talk about
how most
Capital One
cafes
are open
seven days
a week
to assist
with your
banking needs
yep
even on weekends
it's pretty
much all
he talks about
in a good way
what's in your wallet
term supply
see
Capital One
dot com
slash
bank
Capital One
and a member
FDIC
you
you're
only going to
see the
smallest
fraction
pennies
on the dollar
back
and you
have to
just realize
that before
you go
in
because
stock cars
in the
portion
world
just
bring more
value
they just
they just do
and
if you're
going way
out
in left field
with
cosmetically
just like
to your taste
in your taste
only
and you've
gotten pretty
funky
not only
are you
looking at
hey
I'm not
getting my
money back
out of
all this
work
I've done
but you're
also saying
okay
now
I've really
narrowed
my market
because somebody's
got to be
willing to
like
what I
like
and I've
I'm pretty
unique
to a
point
it's a
side
I love
the listeners
might remember
that
I like to
dual sport
motorcycle
and I had
a KTM
it's like
one of their
adventure bikes
and KTM's
node for
off-road riding
and
it came
orange
and I was like
I kind of
want to make this
my own
it was
during
COVID
and so I got
and then
we talk about
wraps
right
I got this
sticker pack
where
I just
like
put all these
like
kind of
stickers on it
that made
it look
really sweet
it was like
like
a topographical
map
and it was like
my god
it just
look like
a rally bike
when I was done
I thought
look completely
badass
but
when it came
time to sell it
by the way
KTM's
leaked nonstop
and I just
I'll never buy
another one
back
went back to
BMW
after that
but
the
when I went to
sell it
I couldn't
get a seller
to save my life
because
people are
like
that
was what
you like
but that's
not what
I want
and so
for the same
reason
when you start
to talk about
mods
you know
if you have
a giant
wing on the back
or you have
these crazy
rims
that cost
you
six
seven thousand
dollars
that
take them off
if you're
gonna sell the car
put all the stock
crap back
on
if you want to move
it
it's not really
the same.
Yep
for sure
man
yes
yes yes yes
been there
the only other
thing
the only thing
I will say
right
is when
it's okay to
mod a car
is that
if you're
bored of the car
and you
don't want to
move on to
another car
then
have at it
right
for sure
yes
and also
if you
if you
pick up a car
like
when it comes
to value
I think
we're all
value hunters
everyone wants
to find that
garage
or barn
find
everyone wants
to find
the car
that's
out in the
field
driving the other day
and I
I passed by a 944
turbo that's
been sent in
this guy's
yard
just
in the
weather
and it
has been
for years
and I just
want to go
knock on this
door
and be like
dude
number one
what are you
doing
and number
two
can I
pull that
out of there
and just
take it away
for you
because you
obviously
it doesn't
run or
something
but when
you get a car
like that
I think
it's perfectly
fine to go
just go
buck nutty
and do
whatever you
want to it
because
if you can
get it
for next
to know
money
then it doesn't
owe you anything
and you can
kind of
make it
what
it is
I did this
again
not to talk
about motorcycles
on a car
podcast
but
you know
I
I like to
take old
seventies
BMW
motorcycles
and turn them
into
scramblers
you can
get them
for a thousand
box
you'll
never get
your money
back
but you can
make them
so cool
and you
don't feel
like you're
taking an
$80,000
911
and turning it
into a
rally car
you know
that you
won't see
the money back
on
before it was a
martini
edition
it was a
piece of
shit
it did run
and I've
stole the
thing
and it came
with
like
belong
I bought it
through a
mechanic
friend of mine
who
he had another
customer
who had
bought it
along with
like
individual
throttle
bodies
and the tune
and all this
stuff
for the car
so I
stole the car
plus all the engine
mods
and stuff
and so
what we did
was
so we lifted it
and put the
Navi tires on it
you know
I have a couple
videos on the car
and it's
funny like
my viewers
they
notice that it was
like
on the
channel
and then all
the sudden
mysteriously
disappeared
and so
that was
one of those
right like
I knew
I was never
going to see
the money back
and so
I had my
fun with it
but what was
interesting is
we could never
get the motor
to run
right
so it
ended up
I parked it
in an offsite
garage
that I had
like
in the throttle like
it would it would
modulate
like you couldn't
keep the
it would want to
die on you
unless you
kept your
foot in the
gas
the whole time
like
you started
you had
so
it ended up
staying parked
and
and
one day
I went down there
and I
smelled fuel
I say down there
because it was
offsite
I only went to
the shop
every now
and then
to see it
and it had
leaking fuel
like
damn it
now
I got to fix this
anyway
long story
short
my brother
and I
were running
that garage
and we had
like a man cave
up above it
and we
it came time
to get out of there
and so we
we hired
this shop
this this
outfit
who would come in
and they would
consign
all your stuff
for you
and so
like
they came in
and they moved
out the desks
and the office
furniture
and the rugs
and all the other
shit
that we had
in there
and like
the car
was sitting there
and I'm like
now
what am I
going to do
because
I really
couldn't drive
the thing
it wasn't
street legal
I never
even like
titled it
you know
there's
just an
Albatross
around your
neck
yeah
so the guy
was like
hey
this is so bad
he's like
hey man
I think I could probably
get ten or twenty thousand
dollars for this
if you let me
consign this
and in my mind
I'm like
I'm like
that thing is worth
the thousand bucks
if that
oh no
but I'm like
if you think
and I was
I was
I was pretty
transparent
I'm like
I don't know
man
that seems like
pretty aggressive
but if you think
you can get that
go for it
because he didn't
know shit
about Porsche
and you know
he I'm sure
he just went
and looked up
924
whatever
long story short
this is like
that's a lot
of words to say
the man
he towed the car
out of there
this was a
two
three years ago now
he towed the car
out of there
I haven't seen it since
I don't know
what became of the car
I'll just say
that I considered
effectively stolen
I think he stole
the car from me
and
I'm glad it's gone
so he never gave you
any money for it
he just said
I'll see what I can
do with it
yeah
he put it on trailer
tell you where
we took the rest
of the stuff
and so I guess
like that
I don't know
I just
haven't thought
about that story
in a long time
but when you steal
something like that
you have a little bit
of fun with it
maybe it goes
well
maybe it doesn't
but
at a certain point
if it didn't go
well
you're just glad
it disappeared
you don't have to
deal with it
it's kind of
like your car
that you had to
chop into pieces
to get out of
your dad's garage
like
at least I didn't have
to chop mine up
you know
so
I'll consider
that one
stolen
it's probably
been a year
yes
since I
brought that story
up
but
I had a night
tell it real
tell it real
quick
yeah
let's hear it
just
I laugh
every time
I had a 924
turbo
my brother
and I bought it was
effectively my first
Porsche
it was a giant
piece of crap
but never ran
it was a
spaghetti of
wires inside
my brother
and I got it
running briefly
but I was back
in college
and so
we just left
in my
parents garage
and it
lived there
forever
and ever
and ever
and ever
and then
we just
kind of
moved out
and just left
it there
we didn't
have a title
my dad
and my dad
needed to
get rid of it
and he's like
if I bring it
to the
junk
here
they're
going to
want to know
that
it's going to
be stolen
they're going to
think that
I stole it
and
and
he's like
I just got to
get rid of this
and so my dad
went through
three
sawzalls
and probably
30
sawzall
blades
and literally
cut the car
up
into a hundred
pieces
and put them
in the trash
piece by
piece
over time
and that had to be
like therapeutic
to do
I mean
it was a
pain
I'm
I'm sure
certain points
for other points
you know
they talk
about getting
your anger
out by
smashing
things
at least the
maybe smash
room
in my parents
garage
yeah
exactly
people paid good money
for
what is it
real well
for him
for
Nikai son
or
to take
take a
sawzall
and start
cutting out
your wheel wells
to put on
I watched
I watched a video
of him
doing that
one time
I guess
he was
at a show
and then somebody
anyway
like
so that's not even
don't even get me
started
on that whole thing
but that's
mods too
right
I mean
that's just
it's not my bag
but that's
certainly
some people
really like
that
giant
you know
wheel well
just this
muscular huge wings
most cartoonish
with a Japanese
flair to it
I'll politely
change the subject
fair
fair
fair
but anyways
I don't know
how we got on
the night
to four
but I do
I do think
it's fine
if you can
pick up something
that is
kind of a
crappy car
and fix it up
in your garage
and then
you make it
you know
you
mod the
crap out of it
and then
go ahead
and enjoy it
and just realize
you never
get the money back
in that regard
I have a much
harder time
though
when
someone's taking
like a
G body
and
adding the
heck out of it
and then think
that they're going
to get
$50,000
more
because they
put
$70,000
into it
that's the
bat special
where it's been
done
on the
cheap
and
you know
the pictures
are conveniently
taken from
angles
that don't
reveal
that the bolts
don't
match
and
et cetera
et cetera
that's a different
that's a good point
right
by
by that car
when
it's
when it's
it's already done
like that
the month
that
I'm going to say
them on too
it's
demand
demand
that
demand car
that I
drove
that's for sale
and I know that
he's not going to see
his money back
but it's a
great car
and worth
every penny
he's looking
to charge
for it
so
anyone wants
a
demand
GT4
it's
it's
in
main
right now
reach out
and I'll
connect you
with the guy
he was
nice enough
to let me
drive it
yeah man
so that's
that's the thing
let's
let's close
on this note
just talking
about mods
and
I bought
my
racing yellow
GT4
and it had been
modded
in my
opinion
poorly
and when
I bought the car
I knew
that
and
the plan
and where I had to land
financially
on the number
I paid for the car
was
I needed to
bake in
not money
to mod
but money
to
unmod
so some
somebody
put
satin
PPF
on the car
which
dulled
the beautiful
bright paint
and
it's interesting
to like
the satin
seem to
attract
dirt
and hold it
so not only
did it
dull the paint
but also like
was
was dirty
in places
I just
couldn't get it
to let go
of that dirt
so
I had to pay a guy
to
remove
all that
PPF
which
actually
there's a little bit
a little bit of
role in the
dice
Derek
because you and I
talked about this
on a previous
episode
like
you don't really
know
what's going on
under
a wrap
until you
pull it off
now
thankfully
this was
semi-clear
so you
could see
if there's
any real paint
problems
but still
could have
pulled some
clear off
but
I rolled
the dice
man
and I won
because
that's great
beautiful
also there was
a brutal
exhaust
I don't know
I'm not going to
say the name
of the companies
I'm not about
the business of
slammering
companies
that
manufacture exhaust
but I'm like
God
who would
like this
it was
loud
it
droned
in it
actually
kind of
almost changed
the pressure
in the cabin
with the windows shut
it would mess
with your
ears
so I had to
unmod
that
that exhaust
that after
market exhaust
that was on
that car
when I bought it
I had to source
an original set
up
I mean it was actually
a little bit
more of a pain
in the neck
I thought it would be
but
I actually had to
unmod
to get that
GT4
to a place
of
mostly stock
it still has
a shark
works
tips on it
which I really
would like to
would like to
swap out
for
factory
I guess
that'll come
at a later date
so
you know
here
I guess
here's the point
of the story
you go from
a guy
who buys
a 993
in 2018
and over
mods it
you know
fast forward
2025
he buys a
GT4
that's been
modded
and he
unmods it
to get it back
to stock
and so
go figure
growth
progress
I mean
who knows
it's just
where you are
in your journey
well
I'm psyched
to feature
that car
on the channel
like I
for whatever reason
man
and I was
never a
yellow car
person
I mean
I appreciated
when I
saw him out
but I just
never
thought
I would
own one
I did
own a
speed
yellow
996
for a hot
second
sold it
regretted it
so
I'm just
really tickled
to have this
racing
yellow
GT4
in my garage
and so
I can't wait
to do
some more content
on it
it adds to the
the color palette
that when you open
your garage
doors
it
for sure
the cool
how is it to drive
the GT4
I mean
is
is it
is it as exciting
as you remember
from your last
one
yeah
you know
I
I think
it's a great
way to get into
the GT car
lineup
cost
effectively
I mean
even 996
GT3s
are starting
to climb
you know
and so
if you're looking
to get into
into the
GT product
and you don't
want to
spend
GT
great option
I mean
it's
it's a
great car
man
you get
into it
and
and
you know
you're
almost
like
my girlfriend
says
hey
hey like
I feel like
I'm in
like
a little airplane
cockpit
or something
there's
just something
it's
hard to describe
so
like
is it exciting
hell
yeah
I mean
I can't
wait to get it
into the mountains
this one
feels a little bit
different
than my first
one
so this is
the second
GT4
981
GT4
that I've
owned
the first
one
felt a lot
sharper
and a lot
less
streetable
in a way
which is
part of the reason
I sold it
and it was
stock
but it only
had 7,000
miles on it
this has 17
so maybe
it's been broken
in a little bit
the suspension
is a little
softer
than my
first one
so to answer
your question
is it
is it exciting
yeah
am I
excited to go
for
drives
this fall
up in the mountains
over and over
in it
hell yeah
I am
and you have the
right
seats in it
yeah
sofa seats
man
I've been
I've been
getting some questions
and maybe
some like
surprised looks
from people
who
you know
are pretty high
on the buckets
I own two cars
with buckets
I think that
you got to experience
the buckets
as an owner
if you're
somebody who
who are
like
if you're a Porsche
person
you got to try
out the buckets
for a while
they are tedious
if you're
trying to do
around town
use
climb in
climb out
climb in
climb out
so these sofas
are
fricking awesome
I'm loving that too
yep
you can get out
of the buckets
and go right
into the
chiropractor
because
that's what
they're good for
I am
anti-bucket
but I'm glad
I'm glad you
you got the car
I'll tell you
I mentioned this
to you
offline
but
man
I was never
a yellow car guy
but
you've taken
some really beautiful
pictures of those
cars
and
it's
it's definitely
piqued my
interest
so I'm just
waiting for you
to buy
your next
brown car
and then
we'll know
you've come
full circle
yeah
I'm
I'm not
going to say
solidly
anti-brown
but anti
excuse me
brown doesn't
do much for me
but maybe
maybe I'll
continue to grow
so for
for the folks
listening
if you wouldn't mind
just sharing
with us in the comments
about a mod
maybe the wildest
mod you
might have done
that actually
worked out
because
a lot of times
people mod
and then
regret
and so
I'm kind of curious
if people
have done a
crazy mod
and they were like
that is
100%
worth it
whether
it's going
as far as
a demand
type of modification
or something
as simple
as just
upsizing
your wheels
I'm always curious
because I'd love
to know
what options
are
for the
for the different cars
but I think
we can both agree
well
that it's nice
that in the Porsche
world
camps exist
and they're all kind of
accepted in different
ways
you know
whether you
go for a
re-imagined car
by a
company
or you're just
you know
even wrapping
your car
to a different color
if it makes
you happy
I think generally
people
are happy for you
yeah
and what is cool
I mean
the
the plethora
of options
that are
out there
they're available
to us
you know
there are
just so many
obscure things
that you can
do to dial
them in
and so
if you are
looking to
mod
please know
that there's
no shortage
of
good talk my friend
we'll catch you
next week
all right
man
a little meandering
but hopefully
good for the listeners
nonetheless
so I'll
I'll see you
next time
later dude
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and with
100 years
of navigating
ups and
downs
you can
count on
Edward Jones
to help guide
you through
it all
because
life
is a
winding path
made rich
by the people
you walk
it with
let's find
your rich
together
Edward Jones
member
SIPC
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