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moving violation
A moving violation means you broke a traffic rule while driving, like going too fast or not stopping at a stop sign. This can cause you to get a ticket or fine.
Car
Aston Martin Valhalla
The Aston Martin Valhalla is a very fast and fancy car that uses both gas and electric power. It’s made for people who love racing and luxury.
Concept
ice race
Ice racing means driving cars really fast on frozen lakes or ice-covered roads. The cars use special tires to not slip, and it's a tough sport because the ice is slippery.
Term
turbo
A turbo is a part that helps a car's engine get more air so it can go faster and be stronger.
Car
Nissan Pulsar
The Nissan Pulsar is a small car made by Nissan that many people use for everyday driving. It's known for being reliable and easy to find.
Car
Volkswagen Beetle
The Volkswagen Beetle is a small, round car that lots of people recognize because of its unique shape. It has been around for a long time and is very popular.
Concept
rally cars
Rally cars are cars changed to race on rough roads like dirt and gravel. They have extra strong parts to keep them safe and fast.
Car
Toyota Celica
The Toyota Celica is a small sporty car that was used in car races on dirt roads. It’s light and easy to drive fast.
Term
rear-wheel drive
Rear-wheel drive means the car's engine sends power only to the back wheels, which can help the car go faster and handle better in some situations.
Term
900 horsepower
Horsepower tells you how strong a car's engine is. 900 horsepower means the car is very powerful and fast.
Concept
Formula Drift championship
Formula Drift is a type of car race where drivers slide their cars around corners on purpose. Winning the championship means the driver is very good at this.
Term
winter tires
Winter tires are special tires that help cars drive better on snow and ice. They keep the car from slipping and help you stay safe when it's cold outside.
Term
understeer
Understeer happens when the front wheels don’t grip the road well, so the car doesn’t turn as much as you want. It feels like the car is sliding straight instead of turning.
Term
oversteer
Oversteer happens when the back wheels lose grip and slide out, making the car turn more than you expect. It can make the car spin if not controlled.
Term
power band
The power band is the part of the engine's speed where it works best and gives the most power. Drivers want to keep the engine running in this range to go faster.
Concept
loose surface
A loose surface means the ground is not hard or smooth, like dirt or gravel. Cars can slide more on these surfaces, so driving is trickier.
Brand
Bentley
Bentley is a famous car company from Britain that makes very fancy and powerful cars that are also comfortable and stylish.
Term
carbon fiber
Carbon fiber is a special, very light and strong material used in some cars to make them faster and better to drive.
Car
Ferrari Enzo
The Ferrari Enzo is a very fast and special car made by Ferrari. It was built in small numbers and has a cool design and powerful engine.
Term
spikes
Spikes are small metal pieces put into tires to help cars not slip on ice or snow by digging into the ground.
Term
studded tire
Studded tires have tiny metal pieces that stick out to help your car grip icy roads better so you don't slip.
Concept
rally school
A rally school is a place where people learn how to drive fast and safely on dirt or gravel roads, like in rally races. They teach you special driving skills for tricky surfaces.
Term
GA
GA means you can go to an event but don't get special seats or extras like food or special areas.
Term
VIP
VIP means you get special treatment at an event, like better seats, food, and places to hang out.
Concept
Goodwood
Goodwood is a special place in England where people have cool car events and you can get really close to the cars and drivers.
Car
Chevrolet Suburban
The Chevrolet Suburban is a big SUV that can carry lots of people and stuff. People use it when they need a strong car for things like going to ski houses.
Term
key fob
A key fob is a little gadget that lets you open or lock your car doors without using a regular key. You just press a button to unlock or lock your car.
Car
Land Range Rovers
The Range Rover is a fancy SUV that can drive on rough terrain but also has lots of nice features inside for comfort.
Car
Porsche Career Gt
The Porsche Carrera GT is a very fast and special car that only a few people have. It’s known for being really exciting to drive.
Car
Ford Bronco
The Ford Bronco is a tough car that can drive on rough roads and dirt easily. People like it because it looks cool and can go places normal cars can't.
Car
Porsche Cayenne
The Porsche Cayenne is a fancy big car that can charge its battery when you slow down. It drives fast and is comfortable for families too.
Car
BMW 230I
The BMW 2 Series is a small fancy car that’s fun to drive and looks good. The 230i is a popular version that’s not too fast but still sporty.
Car
Ford Mustang
The Ford Mustang is a famous fast car from America. Now, Ford is making cheaper electric Mustangs that run on batteries instead of gas.
Car
Tesla Model
The Tesla Model Y is a small electric car that can carry your family and drive far without gas. It has lots of smart features that get better with updates.
Car
Toyota Corolla
The Toyota Corolla is a small, reliable car that many people buy because it doesn’t break down easily and uses little gas.
Car
Ford Maverick
The Ford Maverick is a small truck that’s easy to drive and doesn’t cost too much. It’s good for carrying stuff and everyday use.
Car
Nissan Leaf
The Nissan Leaf is a small car that runs only on electricity, so it doesn’t need gas. It’s good for city driving and easy to charge at home.
Car
Mclaren 720S
The McLaren 720S is a very fast and fancy car that looks amazing. It’s one of the best supercars you can buy.
Car
Ferrari 458
The Ferrari 458 is a fast and exciting car that sounds really cool when you drive it. Many people like it because it looks great and is fun to drive.
Car
Toyota Supra
The Toyota Supra is a fast and fun car that people like to make even faster. It’s famous because it looks cool and drives great.
Car
Chevrolet Camaro
The Chevrolet Camaro is a strong and fast car from America that looks sporty. It has some safety features that can be turned on or off.
Car
Fiat Brava
The Fiat Brava is a small car from Italy that’s easy to drive in the city. It looks different from other cars.
Car
BMW M2
The BMW M2 is a small sporty car that’s quick and fun to drive. Some special versions look different and are more rare.
Car
Mercury Villager
The Mercury Villager is a big family car with lots of space inside. It was popular for carrying kids and stuff.
Car
Volvo V90
The Volvo V90 is a big fancy car with lots of room and safety features. Some versions are made to drive better on rough roads.
Car
Lotus Amir
The Lotus Emira is a new sporty car that’s light and fun to drive. Some special versions have extra cool features.
Car
Ariel Nomad
The Ariel Nomad is a small, light car that you can drive on normal roads but is also good for driving on dirt or rough ground. It’s fun because it’s easy to control and can handle bumpy places well.
Car
Porsche 944
The Porsche 944 is an older sports car that’s fun to drive and handles well. Some people use it for racing or special events.
Car
Nissan R32
The Nissan Skyline is a fast and cool car from Japan that can drive well on all kinds of roads. The R32 is a popular model for racing.
Car
Ferrari Daytona
The Ferrari Daytona SP3 is a very special and rare car that looks like old race cars. It has cool wheels and is very fast.
Car
Porsche 911
The Porsche 911 is a famous fast car that’s easy to drive and looks special. Its steering wheel is simple but works really well.
Car
Mitsubishi Delica
The Mitsubishi Delica is a big van that can drive on rough roads and carry many people or things. It’s good for camping and adventures.
Car
Dodge Nitro
The Dodge Nitro is a medium-sized SUV that looks strong but isn’t very fancy inside. It was made about 15 years ago.
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All right folks on this episode of the podcast
Zach and I went up to big-sky Montana for the fat ice race and we have quite the recap
I brought the Myers-Manks ran it around the track. We had a good time
We saw some people we saw some crazy cars and we give our thoughts on the first ever
Montana fat ice race plus the trailer drama never ends and
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Hi, everybody. Good motherfucking Monday morning. It is I have
18 hours in Los Angeles ending at about 2 p.m. Today
in between ice race and going to
Spain lol for the Aston Valhalla
I'll be fun at the oh my gosh my glasses are so dirty at the circuit oh Navarra
Which is apparently a very good racetrack that I have never been to
NAV a r.r.a. Looks nice. It actually looks a bit coda ish
from above
But so only a couple Americans get to go go do this one and there's not going to be
An American press car, so my only chance is to quickie you turn
Don't even put the suitcase away
unpack repack off to Spain we go, but
the things we do
Sacrifices
Not a sacrifice at all volunteered for this just means a very busy 18 hours in in between
I was here at five paying my bills paying my taxes. That's the other that's it
That's just the other side of it go get here at five pay your fucking taxes happens
but a lot of caffeine not panic attack levels caffeine, but
the we had we had collectively a
Pretty bad coffee week in Montana the only thing bad about ice race week
Which are we're gonna talk a lot about in this show is that there was not generally not great coffee
Well, the coffee shop in town was fine the coffee shop in town was fine
But like and they were very nice and we gave our extra passes to them actually for Saturday, but um
Lot of Airbnb shitty coffee grocery store shitty coffee
You never want to be the first renter of an Airbnb ever
And I'm pretty sure we were based on the number of unopened packages near the door that we're probably had the things that we were like
How come we don't have enough cups?
Probably in that pack, but we can't open their mail because that's a federal like a felony, right?
Yeah, so, you know, we probably should message the owner of the house
I'm like, hey, is this all the shit that we feel like this house should probably have
Actually that that house that we rented which was totally fine for our needs was the most
It was like the most food crazy like
The most this is for Airbnb house ever like the our bedroom had fake beams in it
That on one side of the room didn't go all the way to the wall really
They were caught like forages short of like a plastic beam. Yeah, like fake over like to make it look like wood industrial
Oh, the wood. Oh my god. Yeah to make it look like it was like a wood truss in the ceiling
But it was like I mean, obviously it would be fake even if it did go up
But if this is like a steel construction house. Yeah, but like
He's trying to look like a cabin. Yeah, and it was like five bedrooms two bathrooms
Yeah, that's some Airbnb right there and missing some crucial elements
But it was a means to get to the motherfucking ice race and we did it like frat party style with like eight people in a house
This shit was fucking dope this was a this was a pretty pretty cool event. I mean Chris Harris
Described, you know, very he was there for five minutes and he was like this isn't a race
This is a party and there happens to be a hundred percent some
Vaguely motorsport adjacent thing happening in the background now does he say that's true of the one that happens over in
Switzerland, where's it Switzerland? Oh in Austria
He said that one is a little bit more racy
But only because they've been doing it for longer. It's like it's it's like a it's like a heritage sport over there
whereas
clearly, I mean
They were they were racing on a you know, if you go to a real ice race where they're like like an actual rally car
like there aren't
There's not like champagne, you know fancy food and it's not like a
Luxury experience to watch an actual ice race. You're just freezing your ass off on a frozen lake sure, you know, this is
This is a spectator
focused thing
No, like the fucking timing wasn't even like working half the time
It's a praise ski. Yeah. Yes, but with cars as entertainment effectively
You know, so everyone's doing the same thing they do it like the bottom of the hill at 4 p.m
But there's also this little entertainment pond where cars are sliding around some of them
You know hitting walls some of them very expensive some of them going pretty fast
It's a show like it's it's a show and it's reflected in the fact the fact that it's a show is reflected in the fact that like
If like a driver's ticket like to enter your car
Is it comes with a VIP ticket?
But it's about a seventh the cost of just buying a VIP ticket
So like they understand the value of if you're showing up with a car like you are the entertainment
Like we're gonna compensate you in that in that other way
But like not that's not to say that people weren't trying to like get a good time or you know
Proud to get a trophy or whatever like Zwart was absolutely try a number of people were trying to win
Yeah, and then a number of there are people that had clearly done rally training rally driving like at a high-ish level
Yeah, and then there were people that like knew how to drive
Like the kind of middle group and then there were people that seemed like the only time they ever touched snow in their car
Is it's a suburban maybe driven by some like very timid very tepid people that were just and look some of them
We're driving millions of dollars around. Yeah, and they don't want to hit the wall if they're out there
Yeah, no, it's there's a there was a wide gap between and it's just it's such like an
Instagrammable thing like a lot of the people that were going really slow like in freeze frame with like the right shot like you
Catch the right opposite lock that happens for like two seconds, you know, and it like wow that's that looks like super heroic
Whereas if you saw the video, it's like, you know, whereas other people are
Extremely sendy
You know the homie was driving
I guess it was that guy's super car runs like someone else that works for him. There was like mobbing that
Storato, oh, that was wrong. There's a turbo Lamborghini
Storato and the guy was absolutely fucking sending it a big angle entry
Yeah, and actually whoever drove the Pagani on the first day, which it might have been the same dude was was sending it
Pretty hard in that car. I was that was impressive. That was just a crazy thing to see
Yeah, like I remember I was walking up to you know, just the start line to film stuff in front of back
I could it peeked out like it's a very distinctive around on the Pagani and I was like said a fucking Pagani
Yeah, like good respect. Yeah
And the spread of cars it wasn't you know, it wasn't all super exotic stuff
I mean, there was like Amelia went out with her Nissan Pulsar, which was pretty cool
I cool
There's like in the background of this shot like there's Beatles, you know beatle with the antlers
I mean, so like yeah, there's legends the legends cars the gram block like those cars are like 25 grand
Like so if it was it could be very interesting and cheap or it could be very exotic or it could be like in this photo
Which there's photos on my Instagram and I have a lot more photos
Full-on rally cars, you know, there was a whole whole section of full-on rally cars
You have to try right?
It's like yeah, so I think they do a great job of curating a diverse array
Yeah, of you know both things in terms of cost horsepower and the intent of the vehicle and that makes it a much more interesting show
I thought it would just be like, I don't know just a bunch of rally cars and a bunch of Porsches up right there
There were some notable. I I mean, it's probably because you know Ferdy, but obviously there were more Porsches than really anything else
Definitely there were also did you notice there were no Mercedes?
Not a one good not a one Mercedes. I saw I saw Dieter Dieter Heinz
I've seen that kind of long time lovely man, and he has a gullwing and he's like I haven't run
I haven't driven my gullwing in like three years. It's been mothballed. He's like I think I'm gonna like get it going and put some spikes on
He's like he was annoyed that there was no Mercedes representation there. Yeah
Not like annoyed annoyed, but he's like there needs to be yeah, here's Ryan
Ryan Turk in his Celica
Rally car GT4 rally car. I think it was cooking pretty quick
I mean one of him and two it's also like it's a rally car with all we'll drive in on pretty decent spikes not huge spikes
Yeah, Forsberg, you know Chris Forsberg was a fabulous driver
Obviously, so this is not in question had a rear-wheel drive Nissan Patrol with like
900 horsepower that he was really struggling to drive like like it just
It seemed difficult
This is this is a guy who's won the formula drift championship like multiple times like talent not in question
Yeah, it seems the first day. It was basically an ice rink
It was like everything was really frozen. They only ran it for the first half of the day
It was so slippery looking and then the second day it like warmed and got chopped up by spikes
So by the afternoon it was effectively like slush. Yeah, so there's more grip
I I ran at about 1145 both days the first day
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It was really hard to drive like i the video of me driving
I didn't even post the video on instagram because like it looks so slow
I had so little front end grip and if I tapped the brakes, I would just like slide. I was like, oh, shit
this is and the Manx is like
I had absolutely no idea how this thing would drive on a loose surface like we had little spikes on it
uh, and you know winter tires
um
But uh, but on ice it was like it was it was pushy. Let's just say it was it was pushy
Your weight balance must be 10 front 90 rear. It's not great. And so I uh
I got around but it wasn't it certainly wasn't anything uh to to to share on socials
The second day, I mean if you watch the video from zack from the metaglass is like it's better
Like the car is clearly like responding to inputs like we're getting some understeer
But also like a good amount of oversteer
I also big when it was a little more it had that couple inches of slush on top of the ice
um
I could make use of the the top end of the power band. So I realized actually
But by the way this as a driver it's a commitment because
I you know your car goes all the way up there
You got to put the special tires on and you got to do all this bullshit
And ultimately like if you're in like the finals or something you might get like six runs
But everyone else gets between one and two runs. So it's like it's a long way to go for
Four minutes of driving each run is what two laps each run is uh, yeah, yeah
Half an out lap and then two flyers and and then in yeah, so it's not much driving
So if you are not familiar with your car on a loose surface and and these the walls
As they warned us and as we saw unfortunately a few quite a few times. They are not soft. They are hard
They're shredder fucking hard. They're like
Like hitting the cliffs on angeles crest hard
You know when I went to finland the soft the snow banks were soft. I put a fucking caiman
GT4 rs into a snow bank at 60 miles an hour and it was like
Yeah, and then they just tow you out and that was it and the car is totally fine
People tapped the wall at five miles an hour in this thing and it was crunching shit. Yeah
It was it was ice the walls were ice. Yeah, it was as hard as concrete for sure. So I had a you know open real car
I was like, uh, you know, but I think in some ways that actually helped, you know
Graham our friend he hit the wall in one of the legends cars
But because the wheels were outside the body he bent the wheel
But the wheel absorbed that shock whereas our friend Ali hit and the first thing that touched the wall was
You know his headlight the corner of the corner. Yeah. So, you know, look, I I didn't want to fucking hit the wall
I went 10 minutes. I watched Ali go out and unfortunately he hit the wall
And and then I was like, well now I have to go well
Don't hit the fucking wall. That's all the first run was just don't hit the fucking wall
And I didn't but it was like I was in second gear low rpm getting a lot of understeer
and and uh, it just
Wasn't great and I was like and then the next time Hannah came out with me
And I saw that it was slushier and people were coming back from their runs me like, oh, this is now. This is way better
So I went all right, so we realized first gear
Slam the rev limiter, you know top of the power band and actually the car would rotate
Kind of nicely
But also it would engine brake better when you lift
So if you were just if you just lift from red line you get enough
Rear brake that it's almost like a trail brake. So I could just hover my left foot on the brake
But really just modulate a bunch of the top of the power band in first gear
So most of the time that was enough engine braking to get the car transferred enough to rotate
So it was actually a lot less braking than I thought
um
So that was more I you know if you got if you got five six if you're a fabulous driver
You can bang this out in one run if you're not or you're unfamiliar if you're unfamiliar with your car or whatever
Really intimidating the first time around
And then the second time around you go, that's the shit my kingdom for a third
But I didn't get one
So the the way how do I do that next year because I ran in the exhibition class. You don't get multiple runs
The way to get multiple runs is to race. We have to enter something in the race
That's the only way to do it
You got to figure out what you have that would fit in the classes that they have or what we can get in between
In between now and then you know, yeah, true
What we can get who can
I've already
sort of
I'm already kind of working Bentley a little bit to drive that
Continuation 1929 blower car mike who is the Bentley mike rolls. We should get him on the show
He's the Bentley historic sky. He's in charge of all their like really old cars
He's a really good driver in the old cars. He's always driving at good wood and stuff
Did he drive the old ones out here? Yeah, he was right. He was the guy in the white suit the very handsome man
A fantastic job. Yeah. So I was like, I want to drive that next year and they were kind of like, well
You don't know how to drive. I will come to England
And spend a couple days. It's somewhere safe and I will learn to drive it
Yeah, racetrack and airfield like whatever the fuck you got streets. Who cares?
I will I'll come and I'll practice and then and then I come drive it here and they're like, okay
That sounds fine. So we have to go to England
And Richard was all
Richard tot Hill was all hey while you're over just come by. Yeah, they have some things happening lots of things Richard tot Hill
That's a man who is awesome. Yeah
him
Him chris harris and maz were like
Not maz maz was maz was like covering his fucking face on the the bus ride home from the concert
Chris and Richard were like giving each other so much shit at a full volume and right in a very crowded shuttle full of like
Yellowstone club members. It was like
Yeah, but those guys those members were if they knew who they were then they were like, this is amazing
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Harris is a championship chip. The two young people on the bus who knew who they were for like dying
Everyone else was like, yeah, because chris and Richard were friends for a long long time. Yeah, they've done a lot of stuff together
and
It was so funny
but uh just like
as a as a social experience like
Like I think the it was a great place to hang out. It was a great place to see friends. It was a great place to like
You know once you were done with your session, you know day drink beers in a in a snowy but sunny
Fucking environment while people are doing fun cool things in fun cool cars
And I was impressed and excited to see the the not just the variety of metal and actually carbon fiber that was out there
but like
Some of the cost of it and people really going for it and trying to slide full corners
You know
It was the antithesis of the people that bubble wrap something exotic
Just so that they can sell it in 10 years or two years or whatever
Yeah, like, you know our friend kevin marshals out there in the uh the chimera
Oh, yeah, he tapped the wall tapped the wall that he and you know, he just received this thing
That car I finally got up close with it
The interior is perfection. We were driving one in July
Have you seen the interior of those? Yeah, you like I mean if you like knobs, I don't know if I fit
It's all knobs. I might have to take my shoes. He's like six
I think you haven't like six four. Oh, yeah. Okay, cool. So you'll be all right. All right. Good. Um, yeah
Just you know the enzo that tapped the wall the first day. Yeah, and it went out when it pulled out of the start line
I was like, oh, look at this kind of careful careful chris out here and uh,
I don't think they have the right tires on that car. They didn't because I have I have footage
I haven't put it up yet, but then on day two
Yeah, I see these I see smoke coming out from between these two men and I walk up and it's I know it sounds weird like
Okay, quintin
No, there's uh
And one guy is hand siping the enzo tires
And the other guy is drilling spikes into them and every time they touch the blade to the tire
Smoke came out like, you know, you want a break and uh, I was like, oh, dude
They're hand cutting every tire for this enzo and so this person hit the wall and went out the second day
Yeah, it's pretty cool with better tires. Yeah, with better tires somebody who's
Somebody came up to me and was like, do you have any spikes? I was like, we're already here. We like
I've solved this a weeks ago
But someone at him like we we uh put the spikes in all these cars the night before and he had a bucket of them
Like I was like they were a little
Unclear about what type of spikes you could and could not use like they really didn't specify
I heard multiple times like
From different people like use whatever you want and I heard others like absolutely not you'll destroy the ice. I was like
Philip was like, I'm just gonna do what we're doing to our cars like fine. I don't know. I'm okay
And so I think we ended up with three millimeter
Spikes which are they're not
They're bigger than studs, but they're the smallest quote spike, okay
Yours are bigger than the ones on on ollie's car
No, they're about the same about the same about the same okay as this the smaller set that he yeah
So yeah, what you guys had and what we were installing was like what you would get on a road legal studded tire
Yeah, and so you know the the protrusion from the rubber is like a millimeter or something like that
But then when the rubber compresses you get a little more. Yeah, but then my car's 1500 pounds. Yeah, you know, so
I it
And I'm not sure it didn't seem it didn't seem to do as much as it should when the track was really icy
And then it didn't really matter so much because they were they were studded winter tires
So it didn't really matter that much once the track was slushy. Right. I was just using the regular tread. So like
They run narrower tires on your cars then you don't really do
narrower
Rears that's helpful. Yeah, we ran the same width as the the front on the rears. Yeah. Yeah, so
I mean in this in the slush
There was actually you could get the car rotated and slid, you know a decent amount and if I had a big
Lake to like huck it in at 60 miles an hour like you probably could but
I was you know, my wife's in the car. You don't want to hit the wall in front of fucking 2000
No, you're effectively learning to drift in front of a crowd. Yeah, I mean that's very difficult
Did it feel like a mini 9 11? Yeah, kind of okay, but it was uh
I feel 9 11's like the the the the rear the front end would be pointier
Like you could you could get the front end set in a 9 11 a little better
This you this it would like push push push catch. I bet your weight balance is really wild
It probably is when you put that car on corner scale and see what it is. I expected it to be
Pretty terrible 30 70 and if you watch the video like it's not terrible
Like did you actually watch this video before you sent it to me or did you just send it? No?
It's not terrible like it's it's tricky and also like
I'm on the straightaways and stuff. I'm sort of trying to mongey it because just for fun
There's why fucking it does not work here
Well, yeah, the if you that's coming out of the start gate if you
Like
Normally you would be on already in a corner at that point
So it's it the car the car is like set up differently there
So anyway a lot of largely you could see you were adding angle, but it's going straight
So here it's like wait wait wait and there's the rotation finally
So it's like a while after and it's a while after you actually add the input
It's like steer and then wait wait and with rally driving it's lift turn break
That's how you set a loose surface car. So it's lift and then just the rear
You know the engine braking catches the weight a little bit turn
Once it sets and even once you turn the wheel
It's like a half a second later that the front end actually goes. Yeah
And what I noticed speaking of that is when I was looking at all the footage on the plane is
The reason ali crashed
Was really it was really interesting
I was looking through the shots and so ali had put these huge spikes on the back of his car
And he had normal studded ones on the front
Which okay acceleration grip sure, but then he was getting a lot of understeer because of this imbalance
And I watched a clip from and uh, he's accelerating and the car is like sliding slightly like a little bit of angle
And then as soon as he lifts the car totally straightens out and starts heading
Poor to wall. Oh, it's like because the back with you know with the diff in it
It just ripped and just said no we're going this way. So that's like if you have a different like a
A drifty if you have a tight diff that on d-cell tightens up a lot
It'll send your car straight. Yeah, and it was the most the clearest example of how a differential setup can do that. Yeah
totally
That's very interesting
I I found that that engine braking with whatever tires I did have
Produced a balanced effect that allowed me to turn the car better
Uh better better than when I was at lower rpm in second gear and trying to slow it down with the brakes because it's just the rears
So it's effectively trail braking
Uh, uh, excuse me. It's effectively left foot braking. Uh, not trail braking. So, um
Man, I wanted some more runs. I was so excited because I thought I was going to get two runs on saturday saturday
And I didn't it was I found out it was only going to be one when I got there
Oh
Wait, oh really? Yeah, I thought there were morning and afternoon runs on saturday, but it was just morning
Oh for me for you for me for the exhibition class
Yeah, because they had to run more because they had to run other exhibition class cars and do like parade laps and stuff
but like
I thought like the the tickets are expensive like the ga's were I don't know $300 or something but I
I do feel that you got a quality product for that $300 ticket. I really do
and the vip was like three thousand which is super expensive
but
I think the hospitality food
service
beverage
and
entertainment and scenery
Was better value per dollar than quail
Oh, uh, like that's a similar quail similar
Well, I mean quail you get like the four different or five different regional restaurant thing
You do but I don't think any of them were as of the quality of the food that we actually got
Oh, okay
I only ate one of the things at the quail because the food was really really good at this thing. The food is really good. Yeah
And I thought the service and like the the cleanup crews and like all that shit was like extremely on point
And the setting like go back to that picture of that picture of Hannah and I I think this was the first picture in there
This was shout out to jeff's wart
I was like jeff I never asked jeff's wart for anything but driving advice and to pay his wccs bill on time
Neither of which is ever a problem, but um
I go jeff I never ask you for anything. I need a favor. I need a photographer come take a picture of me and Hannah
But like this this track being framed by this mountain for you just amazing
It was it was really well chosen and actually the track
Um is a permanent installation
Like that won't just melt and disappear like there's substrate under that like
They are not going to because it's in the middle of a golf course
But like they could run a rally school if they wanted to in the summer
Brian was like the golfers would fucking revolt if we did that
But uh, but all of the infrastructure they built there is like permanent
So it's going to be there for the next couple years. That's pretty cool
Like it's so photogenic and I will say that you know g a and vip get pretty much the same view of things like vip's like
You're if you do g a you're not getting fucked on which corners you can look at and stuff
Which is good. You get to see the cars doing all the same stuff. Yeah
You just you know, you don't get like the food and the cover and the hospitality and things
But and there's no restrictions in like the paddock area or anything like that
Like it's very speak in that way like you can walk into people's pit. You can get right up on their cars
It's kind of like good wood in that way
Yeah, and there was like even if it's g a like the they had like enough like food and beverage and coffee and bathroom
Options that it wasn't like ew. This is fucking. Yeah, it was it was straight. It was good media
And it's nice that it's I mean this would have to maybe evolve over the years
It was an intimate enough thing that you could you could walk to all the cars pits and like the track in
12 minutes. Yeah, so there's not a ton to see but I think there's enough stuff
Now maybe as it grows if they add
Other spectacles that's something that's something I think would be smart is if they added other types of entertainment, especially when
You know if they have to cut the driving short because of the track conditions because it's too warm or whatever
If they added other stuff, that would be rad, but ski slope hill climb
Yeah ski slope hill climb that I everyone I talked to I like the rivian guys. They were like they were like we're excited about this
I said have you seen the germany?
He helped ski slope hill climb. I said no, I was like bring your truck to that
and then I talked to harris about it and
Like everyone should go like scott. Oh, I'm like you have all the outies
No, put them together and bring all the people that are they know about ski slope hill
Okay, good they
And they have ski slopes. Yeah, like they are those are those are things. It's not there isn't a ski slope
At the ice racetrack, but there's one hundred feet away one pretty close by
You know so ski slope hill climb is crazy. Yeah, it's rad
It was uh, I just
It was a it was a good time. It was really really
Well done and then the spread of cars the people to talk to I met some some new friends are really
Really good folks across the spectrum
Really fun fans. I hung out with there were really interesting people
Um
And montana is awesome like it's a fucking gorgeous place to hang out for a few days. I mean it's really nice
Yeah, it is I would uh, I could live there for six months a year. It's pretty easy to get to from LA actually
I mean it's easier to get it's easier. It's as easy or easier to get to bozeman is that it's get to vail
Or any of the colorado or utah ski resorts
Direct from LA those are a bigger pain
Yeah, because you have to land in denver and then drive to denver. Yeah, unless you try to fly to steamboat which gets canceled a lot
Yeah, dude, this that was fucking nice. I like it. It's weird seeing all those montana tags and not cringing
Yeah, not getting mad about it. Yeah
So funny all the rich people up there though, they all have the same exact car
They all just drive a white silver or black suburban. That's it. That's all anybody drops
Like you go to like yellowstone club. It's a billionaire fucking central
And they all drive the same fucking car really only because it's you know, it's their ski house
And it's a utility vehicle and there's apparently just no dealers in bozeman outside of a ford and a chevy dealer
So they all just go to the same fucking dealer with the same car
But if you hang out at the valets like while I was waiting for my car all the valets are just constantly joking about how they're like
almost pulling the wrong car all the time just because everyone has
And like guests are always getting into the wrong cars because it's all like the same black suburban
Caked in grime from fucking steam before key fobs were invented like when I was a valet
You had to write down the license plate because of this stuff because now you can just walk around and hit the button
And you and you you can't get in the wrong car if you're trying to unlock it
No, the valets aren't getting in the wrong car the customers are all getting you said the valets are pulling the wrong car
Well, the the the valets have to you know, they're when they're looking clearly they have a fob
But when they're looking it's like a sea of black and silver suburbans
We have when you have like 19 guys in arcterics. Yeah, and you're like you had the white one or the silver one
Um, and they're not gonna have many I don't maybe they'll open a new dealership eventually
But right now the population of bozeman is like 60,000 people
So I don't know if that can support. Well, I met a car dealership
I met a guy who is not opening a dealership, but is opening a general
European car service center so that your chi-ans and your range rovers and shit can get sir
Which is extremely smart
They should just have that because there's a lot of those people already have those cars and we just send them out
And that's why they don't have them out there because if they break they go well, what am I gonna do with this thing?
I gotta go to salt lake city or something to get this car fucking fixed or boise or something
I don't know where the nearest like range rover dealer is to bozeman, but it ain't close
um
Let's what it was kind of did you see the photos from that moda miami thing though? There was like an enormous
Rainstorm that like flooded the oh, I did see that. I don't I it seemed seemed very inconvenient
I don't want to like but like it is a little crazy that like our ice race was like almost too warm to actually have it and then
The the the miami car show, you know in the right season gets like totally fucking monsoon
I would like to say and this may this may get me on it. Yeah, this may get me uninvited
Mota is weed in spanish from future ice races, but like
You know there was not enough snow
It was warm and everyone around us a lot of locals were saying that as well
So this isn't just zax lefty stuff, but i'm like no no the climate change is coming
But what the the top sponsor of this event is mobile one owned by exxon and i'm just looking at this going
The irony of this is just incredible. Sure. Um
There was enough. Yeah, there was enough snow to race on but people thought there might not be no, that's moda moda, dude
What this is moda
It was just picture a golf course covered in expensive cars with like huge huge lakes of water everywhere
Who's fucking here? Yeah
It was a career. Let's see what footage they used. Oh, it's not going to be on their officials
No way it's on their officials. They should tell the tell the story
Yeah, because I saw like a career gt going through a lake. Yeah, yeah, and that's what people were talking about. Yeah
Motorway, it was like it was very very. Yeah, there we go
I did I you know, I don't I hope these whoa these are all but like
It's just like those cars probably haven't seen rain in like 40 years
How many alligators do you think got to attend the car show?
Because we're looking at car. Oh my god. That oh my god
That is like a pre-war car with like water up to its
Middoors, but it's also looks like it's sunk at an angle
So the front of the car is much deeper in the water than the back. So that's not good. Yeah
Whoa
Was this on a golf course? Yeah
And and it just rained it just rained so much so fast overnight or something. I know during the during the morning too. Yeah
Wow, that is a very I mean, I don't I don't know if the those cars were like ruined
I mean this picture. Is this a singer target? Yes sitting in a lake with a conic sag
Like an f12 and some kind of 9 11
Turbo ask thing in the back here the water at least is only only up to the rim
Yeah, the tires are are submerged, but the lower part of the rim
Um, what's in the next uh, you know walk into that's not gonna be easy. Yeah. Yeah
conic sag
I do like that. I bet you some of those photographers got amazing shots
Yeah, I bet you know what it costs to get one of those flood fucking studio reflection shots
Yeah
9 18 just sitting in a mud puddle
There's opportunity for a few people to do the funniest thing ever there
But so if you're listening, this is a shot of the radar the weather radar at the time and uh, it's you know
Bright red over the venue. And if you know anything about weather radar red red means bad means way more rain
Yeah, oh, there's John tamir. Oh, there's John tamir's instagram
It's good that the uh, it's good that the cold things were warm and that the warm things were flooding. That's good
I think John's about to dump water out of his shoes in this picture. Oh, yeah
Geez. Oh, I didn't even tell the story of the fucking shoes. So I
I had a lot of luggage
I had my ski stuff because I was going skiing for a couple days
I had my camera stuff because I did the podcast with Wes and because we um
Were we're shooting filming with with the banks and then I had my clothes and I'll also my helmet
You know because you need that too. So it was like I had a bunch of shit for for one person to travel with
So the only thing that wouldn't fit in bag were my fucking driving shoes. I have my snow boots
Out my footwear. I always footwear for me is very important when I travel because my feet are big and my every
You know, my stuff is big, but you can't just take a bigger suitcase proportionally. So like
It's snow. So like I brought those boots those Russell moccasin boots that I love and I was like, uh,
That's just gonna be my shoes. Mm-hmm. And then but I was like, but I'm gonna be in the house a lot
And the floors are hard. So I'm gonna bring crocs home shoes. That was very smart
Yeah, and then they but my driving shoes because I can't drive them with the banks and snow boots
Hannah was supposed to bring and she forgot. So I ended up having to drive uh barefoot
Which like it was for five minutes like it was it was actually fine
But it was pretty
Fucking funny that I had to like do this silly shoe thing getting in the car
And I blew up Hannah's spot with the
The announcer came to talk to me on the grid and Hannah was in the car and I was like my wife forgot my shoes
It's I'm driving barefoot the announcer was like put the camera in there
Fucking people were dying. It was a good bit and it wasn't that it wasn't that cold
Like so you were fine if it had been five degrees
Yeah, that would have been a problem. Oh, yeah, and we got the heated seats. Oh, that's right heated seats. Did you use them?
Yes, definitely
I I had no temperature issues the whole well until I stepped in a very very big puddle while trying to get a shot
And like I submerged my trail shoes and I was like, I'm glad I brought two pairs of shoes because I'm not wearing these tomorrow
Yeah, but otherwise it was like a pretty toasty day. It was also bright and sunny
Yeah, great. So, you know alpine sun is like twice as warm as sea level sun
I had spf 100 on my head though and dude manks like
I I have stumbled into fucking gold with this company because like
Because of manks like they shipped the car. They studded the tires
They did the and and uh max shout out to max who is their radial technician from australia
He was babysitting the cars
There were four manks is up there three of them were radials and one had a Porsche motor
Which was the loudest one by the way, which was the loudest one and the only one
That required people fucking fiddling with I love elie
But the radials all started right and ran just perfectly fine and elie had like three guys fucking
Getting the fucking his old school ass Porsche motor going but
Phillip put fucking tank treads on one of the manks is which was hilarious
Uh, because of course he did kind of worked
It looked cool
On the ice it did not work at all because it it was uh the fronts were like snowmobile skis
And so, you know, they need they need that force back from snow to turn
So that thing had a little bit of understeer now and then but the tank tracks looked incredible
Yeah, I did and then they put the tires back on the front and drove it into town like that
But the treads on the back. Well, yeah, that's pretty wild
Wow, apparently if you keep it under 50, it's okay. Yeah, but faster than on tarmac. I bet it gets loud
Shady, it looks very cool. It's made for great photos. Oh, it's fabulous. Yeah
But like they had a whole support. So I all I had to do is like show up with my helmet and my jacket and drive
Yeah, they were like warming the car up for you. Yeah, I'm starting up. You're all parked together
Everyone loved watching the manks because you guys all went out at the same time
At least on day one as like a like a gaggle to race each other
Yeah, and everyone was just like look at these cute little things and like I had a funny shot where
On turn one like the big sweeper past, you know VIP in the start line
Everyone spun and then they wave the yellow flag
But you who have raced and know what yellow means you slowed down
But you passed all the cars that had spun and proceeded around the track. Oh, nice. Do you have a clip of that?
Yeah, somewhere. Oh, cool. Nice
Yeah, the first day I did thread the needle through a lot of spinny cars. I spun myself. You did I spun both days
Yeah, I spun in the in the video up here
Um, oh, yeah in the video from the metaglasses. I spun right like 200 yards before the finish line
I spun I was trying to fucking mongey it in front of the crowd because they were super stoked and uh
Nope, I well I
I tried as I swing it to the right and I have a fucking good good slide out of the corner
And then I try to mongey it back to the left
Before the chicane before the chicane not realizing that basically nobody had driven on that
So as soon as I kick left, it's just insta ice
And then
I'm sliding sliding sliding and then where I come to a stop
It looks like slush, but I look down and it's water and I go. Oh boy
And so I got like a little uh a little like almost stuck there, but I managed to like to get out of it. All right
It's on the next lap. Okay
Yeah, but actually it worked out because the spin allowed all the other manxes to catch up to me
And so we could sort of like have a good photo finishy group shot at the end like in ford versus ferrari
There's a funny moment. I was on day one. I was standing just you know next to some strangers as you guys are all going out there
and this uh
I'm looking at your car and I'm talking about it and this girl goes. Yeah, my boyfriend's driving that car and I go
which car
And she goes
That one I go the blue one or the green one and she's like, oh the green one
Okay, because I know the wife of the guy in the blue one
And she did and she kind of laughs. She's like, well, we're not gonna talk about that. Anyway, I was like
But um, I think I think it was uh Eli's girlfriend. Oh, okay. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah wife. Wife. Sorry. No, it's okay
That that makes one of the two. Oh, no
She was the girlfriend of the guy driving Eli was riding passenger. Okay. Yeah, I think your spin is he's next lap
No, this is my this is a flyer. This is a flyer. This is my first flyer. Got it and uh, actually kind of nice
It was funny that some of the fastest cars of the day
I mean, they were the legends cars because of power to weight
But then it was anything four-wheel drive which included
Raptors and the giant bronco driven by loren healy like all these huge vehicles
That of course have four-wheel drive and they were able to hook up the most
So but there was also some like fabulous rear-wheel drive driving
I mean zort and lee keen were out there pat pat did his best in an impossible car. Absolutely
Pat was driving the 9 11, uh, like the r like the lamar
9 11
And it was just undriveable on that. He drove that and he drove one of bettems thousand horsepower things
Oh, here's my here. So monji right monji left
but oh
sheet of ice sheet of ice
And now it's just don't hit the wall and now my rear tires
I'm trying to move but i'm in water
And so now I loop it or I actually get some front-end traction don't hit the wall please and now
I'll have one of those guys come by and yeah point by there little point by cross the line for
It's not it's not definitely I saw him at the bar on Saturday night and and he's like yeah
My car was too low. I was like you had to come here to think to realize that like you are a smart racing engineer
But there were a couple cars out there that were pretty much like dragging floorboard on the on the ground
And uh, it was just so funny. He's like, I think I need more ground clearance like no fucking shit
I was worried that my car was you know because I have the lower ride
I was worried that my car might be too low, but it was not it was totally fine. Yeah, um
There was some fun like rexie was out there
Which people watch msa racing is like one of the top three teams in msa gt class and to see that thing
Is like as wide as it is long that is a super wide 9 11
But uh, it was just you know throwing rooster tails and doing slow drifts
And one of lee keen's customers. I think won his class. I think he was in the red keen safari
Big spikes. Yeah, I'm driving well. I met him. He was driving very like he was driving super clean
Yeah, like it didn't look showy, but it was actually like good for time
But he had big spikes. Yeah, and I saw I saw a couple
You know you couldn't because of the walls you couldn't see and they had a few flaggers
but
Amat the shape of the course is like a hair barrette with like a straight on one end a light bulb corner
And then a three a triple zigzag before a light bulb corner at the other end. It's like
It's like brass knuckles brass knuckles. Yeah brass knuckles or a hair barrette
Cock and balls ish adjacent. No hair hair barrette. I think is actually more like it. Okay. No, I think it is
I have to look up hair barrette again. I maybe I'm that old that I can use the term hair barrette
But I feel like people know what that is. Anyway, um, it's
Wait, where are we now we're talking about the word of track shape of track
Uh, why was I talking about the shape of track?
Oh, you couldn't oh, I did I now remember sorry
You can't see in the s's you can't see from one s to the next. Oh, yeah
So a couple times people looped it in the third s they went, uh, huh?
Whoa
And then the but they'd have two cars on track at the same time
Opposite ends and sometimes they'd loop it and stall or loop it and their wheels would get stuck in a hole or something
And the other guy would be coming in hot
I saw some incredible last minute avoidance maneuvers from
Zwart did the best one. I've I saw he he downplays it. He was like no, there was more there was room there and I was like
That was pretty there were a couple cost saving maneuvers where people came around a corner and suddenly saw a vehicle
They definitely didn't want to hit. I don't think
I don't think two cars came into contact the whole thing. That's correct. I think that's pretty good
Yeah, that's good because it it could easily happen
I mean you could easily have a car spun out somewhere and a guy sure
You know can't stop because some of the walls are what three feet tall
Maybe maybe taller or probably four. Yeah, you it's easy to come around a corner and not be able to see
You know what's around it and if the flagger doesn't see it or if you don't slow down enough
You know based on the yellow. Yeah, you could have a big problem. Yeah
Um, what was your favorite vehicle to watch?
Oh
My favorite vehicle to watch. I really enjoyed um
The four-wheel drive
Big power stuff just because it was huge angle and huge rooster tails Bronco had the noise
It was like big v8 and and fast and angle. Yeah
You know a lot of the other cars that on the on a tarmac course would be so fast are just so slow
at this and so that's kind of a
A funny thing to see that kind of stuff being
Humbled a bit, you know like I bet if you compared the lap time of like the pagani or something to the manks
It's probably like the same
That old beetle smoked
The tim's cars the other night the singer uh turbo. I mean all those things were going three miles per hour
Oh, yeah, chris was driving the singers and I was like, how is that? He was like misery
He was like not just wasn't there all it they're all at red line and like, you know letting off
Boost and stuff which is cool. Yeah barely and going like nine. Yeah. Yeah, it's in the car like
You know the video of the manks like it look it's slow
It's like Hannah was like we topped out at 29 miles an hour or something
It's like not fast, but like you you have no traction at either the front or the back end
So like it is pretty exciting the walls are there like the walls are very much there
um
But like dude so many nice people all all those the the fucking crew of Porsche dealers I met
Uh and hung out with David and mark and Howard all these guys own their own Porsche stores
I was six of them fucking guys uh and Shannon like all these Porsche dealers
They all had this big this vip tent and and they took such good care of Hannah made sure
She got the best view when I went out and whatever was so nice
Um and all the new like racing people I met and Montana people we met it was fucking cool
Really cool. Definitely have to go back nice, but we have to go back with a with a car that's in the race
Yeah, yeah, I was wondering if they would allow kit copers with spikes
I'm probably not. I don't know. I mean they allow like weird built ships. So yeah, like I probably like who knows
Maybe we could figure out something that would be fun and interesting like
I don't know what but
Uh, maybe I mean
If Graham's going back, maybe we run one of the legends cars. Well, I told Graham like we need we can't they won't let us have like
Seven legends cars. I said four. I think I pitched wheel to wheel legends cars for max
And I you know, I think there's enough room for that the cars are
Cheap enough and I think the liability is fine. Yeah, and he and I'm texting him and he's like, all right
If we do that you have to drive one and I said this text thread counts as a rate contractor and I witnessed myself
Yeah, but I think that would work because they're so little that I could work
It's probably one of the only things you could wheel to wheel race there
They said this year their insurance company said absolutely not to wheel to wheel racing also said absolutely not to ski joring
where you tow skiers
Um, but they said they're really trying to get ahead of that so they can do it next year
So I don't know the ski joring. I mean on the first day you'd need ice skates. Yeah. Yeah, I know
It's so shady. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't love to see it
It'd be funny if if they go back to their insurance and they go we'd like to do wheel to wheel and they say no
I'm like, okay. What do you think about, uh, you know drag race hill climb wheel to wheel and they go never mind
You can do the legends thing
Fuck so fun
Shout out to fucking sam and brian and jack and david and jen and fucking all empty ferty and uh, arena and uh
britney and
vrenny and max and carlos and philip
and and uh
Anyone else who I may have forgotten like they they cultivated the vibe perfectly
It was not an old stuffy thing, which I would say like quail can sometimes feel like that monary car week
It's just this like the music was aimed at people like 28 to 40
Yeah, I mean it was it was definitely a party atmosphere for people around our age and younger and like
You know the creators they brought with you know fordsburg and other people with like big turbo crazy shit
There was a lot less
There was just a lot of playfulness to it, which I really thought was great. It wasn't uh all like 60s
Supercars, you know, which some of the like the saint maritz
Stuff for instance can sort of be that, you know, it's it feels like um
Villa de este but on the lake whereas they're trying to make it more
Young and fashiony and fun. So the people's outfits were superb. Really good. I mean, there's definitely some like
Richy rich cowboy chic all over the place, but also like some very funny like 80s ski outfits and like
But Tim was like fucking
Arctic pimp with
I got a great photo of him and Amelia standing next to each other both wearing long fur coats with me the picture of me and
Hannah, I think there's a there's a gallery that might have but Tim's
fur coat in it, uh
I don't know. Did I not have it? Shit
Shit no fur. Oh, he was in the racing suit instead of the fur coat
Amelia had the racing suit over fur coat look
It's a smart thing
You know, you're raising suits not that warm you throw the coat on until you're ready to get in the car again
Finally got to wear my lotus jacket after three years. Good jacket. Good jacket. Hannah actually Hannah was like it worked out
It made me like a beacon Hannah said I was very easy to find that is very true
It was really helpful for everybody else was wearing those fat jackets
Which are cool jackets, but like you couldn't find any play
They also look like employees
So I kept thinking like oh, they work here and then you'd realize it was person like Harris was wearing one
For half the day and he just looks like someone who works there
I was hoping that if I wore the wrong brands in front of ferdy for long enough
He would just give me one out of frustration lotus come you should have worn a Mercedes jacket
Maybe and then maybe but I was wearing the Ferrari thermal the first night and then I was wearing the lotus jacket
He's like come on man
So I bought that red hat
Uh and a sticker
It was very well done and the logistics of transportation was so impressive for getting people
Yeah in an hour from town and up and down. I mean it was pretty
When they they had like 15 long buses. I thought this is too many buses, but no, it was great
It was actually it was great. We had I had to take shuttles to all three lots on different occasions and they were very efficient
Yeah
Um, so that was uh, that was what zack and I have been doing for the last like a week
We you want to go to the people?
Uh, do we have a few 52 minutes? Yeah. Yeah, we can go to the people uh in the meantime
Can we stop sending me towing recommendations because now the towing recommendations are getting crazier
Like they're not we've already covered all the normal stuff now
It's stuff that's full of like rage and in what's funny is there's extremely
passionate people about towing
On either side
of the
You must have
Double your
Whatever you need to tell you must have double that capacity
And you absolutely do not need that double capacity and here's a hundred examples of people who are doing it this other way
And these people are both fucking adamant
Absolutely adamant and i'll tell you something they can't fucking both be right
It's true. It's like a subjective thing. I guess
um, but I deeply regret
Having this discussion in in public
I I learned years ago that the way that someone like me
Should buy a car is to fucking
Have just buy it and then just buy it and then go here's what I bought or call two people and ask them what they think
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because like
Anyway, anyway, we should please stop now
An email I got like yesterday
Started friendly and by the end by the by the end of the email
It was like enjoy your warped brake rotors and smoked transmission
like
What happened? Are you trying? Were you trying to give me advice?
Are you trying to like pre call me a cock like what are we what are we doing here?
Well, the other side someone messaged me and they have one of these brian was it brian john brian james brian james trailers
And they they they live in the uk and they said that the these trailers are balanced in a way
That is meant to be used with lighter cars. You don't need the big truck all that kind of stuff
So now i'm saying this and if people
Live in america and they have trailers that are also balanced that way don't yell at me
This is just what they were said because in the uk
In europe they don't have big trucks
So the trailer design might be meant to be used with something like that
I mean that was kind of the idea all the photos on the website. They're using a goddamn discovery golf
It's a fucking a disco. It's probably a shitty diesel disco too in england
It's not a svr one the only thing i would wonder is
You know, do they have big mountains and hills in england that you go up and down?
Whereas we you know drive to yosemite with the trailer and come down and crossing through the country
I mean their mountains are not as big their mountains
No, but but if you have a hybrid if you have a regenerative braking system and fucking
Cayenne brakes dude, you'll charge your battery so fast probably
But like you're not smoking a cayenne brake going down a hill because you've got a fucking trailer
I I refuse to believe that that that company would sell a car like that
It was you know
Wes had such a terrible experience with a cayenne he fucking went off on it
But like that's not representative of the larger cayenne ownership experience
Well, he also lives in montana where there's no service center
Also, so also true
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Uh, I was super stoked for the rodentrack drive in the northwest, but it rains here in june
I don't want to risk the money on an iffy weather month
Have any of the other drives you've hosted had bad weather. Yeah, of course
Obviously, it's rained. Um, we we can't control that we we tried to
Uh, we try to we try to use the Jewish space lasers
Uh, you know herst set up that system for this eventuality
All herst publications do have access to the Jewish space laser system. It's built into the tower
Yeah, that's what your entry fee buys you. You you do get um
It won't always be sunny, but whatever weather, uh, we do get we paid for
So, uh
It's it's uh 60 of the time it works a hundred percent of the time
I mean, yeah, what are you gonna do if it rains? I mean, um
It it it typically does not stop us from doing anything. Um
So, uh, it's never rained on one of our track days. So that's that's important. Um, and like
it it
It does rain in the pacific northwest in june, but it's not like the super rainy season. It's usually intermittent
Yeah, it's usually pretty nice actually. It's a good time to go there
Panic at my disco says
the career all right
Once the korean taco recipe the problem with the korean taco recipe is it's not like a recipe like you go to the korean market
and you
This is this is fucking hard to explain
You get marinated bulgogi beef or or you marinate chicken or you pick your fucking protein
marinate it and then you
Cook it in an iron skillet or whatever like that's your protein and then you get tortillas and I like flour
That's your tortillas. You can get some qp mayo and make an aioli out of that or you can get
Um, some like sesame kind of you like sauces basically like
You go to the korean market and you get a bunch of the pickled vegetables and kimchis and crunchy
Uh, healthy bits that are like colorful in the kimchis section
And then you get your meats you get your tortillas and then I make a guacamole
Ish thing out of
Dice cucumbers and avocados
And I make a sauce out of soy
Sesame oil mirin and rice vinegar
And that's a sort of a guacamole and I put some sesame seeds on that and then you just like make a spread at the table
With the tortillas which you heat up in the skillet so they're nice and toasty
tortillas the proteins and then and then you just like
Make tacos taco bar kind of the difficulty of the recipe is directly related to your proximity to a korean market
Yeah, right because if you can get all the side things
You just go buy them if you have to make all those from scratch
Yeah, now it's like an eight out of ten because you have to like pick all this stuff
So that's what my only annoying because most korean markets
Don't have tortillas and sometimes don't have avocados. So it's a two stopper. Oh for sure. Yeah
Um
Let's see
The clutch whispered thinking about getting a bmw 230i coop thoughts on the latest gen two series
Slightly used one with the last gen system. We drove the last gen one. It was good. Yeah, it's a very light car
Fun canyon car really comfortable. Mm-hmm
Uh drae from houston. Have there been any
Miss steps in content that you've done that you felt like was a miss or didn't age well
Well age well was a lot. I mean, there's so many
I mean, I there's I there's gotta be dozens of jokes I made from 2009 to 2012 that
That did not age well first 30 podcasts. Yeah, there's plenty of that
So try not to judge me today on whatever the fuck I said in 2010, please
but
You know
Yeah, I mean there's there we tried to put the podcast and the youtube channel on the same channel for two years
That was a bad idea. That would be a big misstep of the of mine
um
I mean our king of hammers video last year was a miss because
We put a lot of work into it and it got like no views
That was a miss in terms of we thought our audience would be into that content and
Incorrect. Yeah, I mean
Y'all don't like trucks very much, you know off-roading. I mean, unfortunately like
We now know what it takes to get like good traffic on stuff and get picked up like I know
We know it's just like it would I would rather fucking kill myself than do it
Seriously, I'll park cars first. So
that's
If you see that there's like
You know down to less traffic or stuff that doesn't do you know do do so well now like
I could make a title that's like this thing sucks or something and it would probably do a lot better
Talk mad shit about stuff and well, we talked to someone recently and you can name them if you want to but
You know the the parts of the video that get the most traffic are standing and talking about the vehicle
Not the driving of the vehicle. Yeah, and for a long time in our it was the opposite in our experience
And what we like to do is drive the vehicle
so yeah
Oh man
Murray long last name says
What italian design studio would you have designed your flagship car if you ran a manufacturer?
I mean, it's hard to not
Say pin in farina
Right, that would be my choice. That would probably be my choice. I think I've liked their style the long for the most decades
Or gi giaro, but probably pin in farina
Uh
Quadrifoldy o-face
Uh, would you would you put white wheels on your car?
Only certain only rally car rally looking cars depends on the color of the car and the size of the car
I think and yeah, they won't be clean most of the time, but that's okay
I think they think they can look cool in the right moments very selectively though
It's like you gotta you gotta really apply white wheels with a gentle touch. Mm-hmm rally cars can work
I think some Mercedes like sedanza can work
Uh
Okay, like a white white on white. Maybe maybe I don't think you could do like red on white or
I don't know. I mean if it's not a rally
Thing or like an imsa type of thing. I would probably well and then the question is does this look better in white than any other color
Like if the wheel is cool and it could work, but is it forcing anyone to look better as silver?
I think most of the time people put white wheels on their car. They would look better in other colors
Except rally cars like clear rally cars like have at it how you can have your white
um
Mustang geek says what do you think of fords low-cost ev platform project promising path forward or an overhype project
That's in the fall short of expectations
Just in yes
Are they it seems like are they going after slate basically? Yeah, they saw what they did and they said okay
Let's try to do that too
Yeah, Ford has a real habit of seeing what other people are doing and then trying to get in that market and sometimes it works
um, you know, they made a better tesla model y with the mucky if you ask me but um
I I
I keep wondering
um, if they're really it because
If there is a market for someone who wants an electric truck
But also but a very cheap electric truck like is that is there a customer for that? I
I assume
Farley and whoever else thinks that there's a customer for that same thing with slate like does does somebody really want like the
Nissan versa of electric trucks
Like wouldn't they just rather just buy like a fucking unkillable?
Like if you if you said for someone for 25 000 you can have this small truck
And it has a corolla motor in it or an electric ford powertrain in it. Which would they want?
Well, I don't know. It's like you could buy the maverick or you could buy a slate or you know a ford slate
Essentially, I just I don't do you think there's a customer for that? I don't know. I don't I think
I think it would go towards fleet sales and commercial use first
And I wonder if slate seeing the take rate be higher
From like commercial stuff than it is from individuals
And maybe that maybe that's the argument
Like if you have a a gardening company and all of your leaf blowers and shit are electric now
Can you charge them off the truck? Sure. So then are they buying it delivery vans?
You know, we're seeing more of those like rivian delivery vans and other companies that make the delivery vans work
But that's not I don't I don't know if that was pitched as like this
I I'm just saying like I don't know if that's where the popularity would be
Versus because you get more torque and power than you would from a cheap ice engine
Maybe that's some of the argument, but I don't know. Yeah
I guess if you are using
Electric tools and then you can then keep them charged off the truck that is a benefit
Um, I'd be shocked if people
Like individuals want this as their daily or something. I think it'd be much more
I think it's there's business cases for it from businesses. Yeah
Yeah, maybe
We'll find out. I don't know
I would I would probably
Buy if I was gonna buy that I'd probably buy a Ford before I'd buy a slate
Uh, I would too. Yeah
Granny Shifton not double clutching like you should two to three hundred k
Pre-owned supercar. What are you buying? Oh, yeah, uh, 720. Oh
Let me inform you Zach glabman that you can put the 750 year set in a 720 for about 26 000
Yeah, I would do a 720s
I was really staring at the 458 for a second because of the sound
But it's not my favorite Ferrari aesthetically
I like the 720s a little bit better and the 720s has like the greatest steering in the world and it's fast as fuck
Yeah, I would do that. Yeah 720 with 750 gears would be a real delight
Roadhead and track marks. That's a good one had rules
Uh, you've stated on the show before that west virginia has surprisingly good roads as a native. I've seen this firsthand
What part of our state were you thinking of specifically? Um
Where's a where's summit point that's that summit point the racetrack is where where I've been in that area
Um, some points in virginia for for the right as I think right
Is in virginia not what no it is in west virginia. I remember being on uh several different
launches
um
That have been originated out of
Uh summit point and the drive routes
In that area, I guess if you go the mountains to the west there
Yeah, it's got to be that looks like the mountains to the west of summit point, which is
Near what what's that winchester? Hey field. Hey field. That's that's the virginia side or maybe the northern
Yeah, over here. What's that say sleepy something wildlife area hunger sleepy creek wildlife management area
Yeah, like what's what's that by that river up there on the left keep going up to the left like
There's some road down there. Is that a windy road? Oh very yeah. Yeah, paw paw and uh, just by paw paw
Exactly doe gully little orleans. Yeah
Basically, this is called highway 9 and 51
Near the town of forks of cacopong
I'm not laughing at that. I think it's probably native american name of some kind. Yeah. Yeah
I will laugh at so it's basically at the corner of west virginia maryland in virginia
Is the is the
What fuck me what is this mountain range?
Is it appellation probably right that's the one that's now the one that runs
Oh, uh, yeah eastern
Right
Basically, yeah, so kind of in the mountains
Yeah, what the western uh
Wester I have no idea which roads I've driven in west virginia. I just remember they were very good and there was nobody around
Like when we did the rally north america in 2015. Yeah, they were just generally of a very high caliber
Yeah tarmac was good quality camber was right
Shape was nice. Yeah, it seems to be just true of the east coast in general once you get out of the cities
Well, considering west virginia is known for having like no money
Like this it's surprisingly good. I think they just like tennessee
I mean tennessee
I don't think has a lot of money but the roads are fantastic because they don't have earthquakes
And maybe they don't have a lot of like freezing temps that then heat up like colorado, so
yeah, um
Royale bro ham with cheese for pretty much the entire history of cars the collector market has followed a pattern of value
Spiking when middle-aged people can afford the cars of their youth which of course we're seeing now with cars from the 90s
And aughts will that cycle be broken 20 years from now?
That's a good question because the people won't be able to afford the hypercars
Uh, because all the cars are still too expensive. Yeah, I mean there's a they're they're making more super cars than ever
Not all of those cars can be investment grade
Very true, you know, I think we might see like right now
There's more people with more money than ever
But will that population dwindle because people a little younger than us. There's fewer people that are going to make that kind of money
Yeah, I don't know
I don't think the cycle will be broken. I think there will be
enough enthusiasm among the youth to
Buy the cars that they
I don't like I see young kids that are into cars. Oh, I don't think there won't be that but like let's just say there were
Let's say there were 40 million boomers
That made enough money to drive the muscle car market insane and also the markets above it, right?
And then now there's maybe like 30 million millennials that have lots of money
They're pumping the radwood cars and everything else
But maybe because of income inequality in the k-shaped economy will there be only 20 million?
Gen Z that have that kind of money. Well, yeah, but you but like there'll be this 1500 billionaires
That will hoover all this shit up
I think
The the price the the the the car price
Market will follow the cycle. There will be the spike
There will just be fewer people buying more cars each and buying at the top
I think so maybe we would see a softening in prices of like the cool, you know
The cool cars from the odds that weren't blue chips. Yeah the gts t's and the na supras and and whatever, right?
um
Voices off camaro arey
Disabling a adas and liability. Oh, we spoke with a lawyer our insurance insurance person about this
And he said and he said in 20 years experience to his knowledge
There has never been an insurance claim
Denied because an adas system was disabled. Now. He said he said he's never heard of it. So
Which I I think would uh
Answer the question post there
Duffel shuffle retirement club any low-key ballers at the ice race
Uh group b rally cars in driver condition or meticulously restored
Euro spec cars
Oh low low-key ballers. I mean there were multiple
Fiat 131 bravas, which I you know, you don't see in one place one was a little scruffy and one was a full-on race car
The white one was a race car was fast. Yeah
um
I mean, uh, I didn't see any like proper group b stuff. There's one escort there for the fort escort
There's an escort cause worth one of the reps all ones and there were a couple other like
There was a bunch of ralified 9-elevens. Yep that were but they were not like uh, ken blocks
Lucy block drove kens east african safari car
um
But nothing that was like there was a there was a dude ripping a fucking real lancy astratos
That's true. I mean that's but there was no there was no tommy mac and in something there wasn't a collin mccray
Subaru there wasn't anything like that
Yeah, I don't think ferdy wanted to
Fill the whole thing with competition rally cars. I think he wanted
I mean because there was a bunch, you know, there was there was um
all-wheel drive
Like huge power all-wheel drive
And then there was like rally car
And then there was two-wheel drive four-wheel drive
or four-wheel drive two-wheel drive
And then like super car
And then classic and then show like that's a lot
So they couldn't have too many cars from any one category
But and I also think a lot of the visual excitement comes from the juxtaposition
Of you know, the super street car or the sport street car in the snow sliding sideways
So if it was just if it was so many rally cars, you go, yeah, I expect rally cars to be in the snow. Yeah
Uh gently used marital aid says thoughts on a aesthetic special editions cool or crap. For example the
BMW m2 turbo design
Uh, you know Porsche does heritage design packages and whatever Toyota crawler s, you know, it's aesthetic, but there's no
So change
I
I don't like hate that they exist
but I don't
Like I don't like when people
collect stuff like this
Because it's supposed to be a collector's edition. You know, I think that's like sort of douchey like if you like the colors
And you want to buy this
As the color package for your car like okay cool
But don't come up to me and be like I have an m2 turbo design edition
You and m2 buddy. Yeah, it's got a fucking color
And I think that's the weird thing of this for you know the original 2002 ti
But their turbo was like
It was a different piece of hardware under the hood and they also wanted to signal that to people out on the street to tell
You that it was different this
You're signaling that but then actually it's the same car as everybody else has
So if you really like the way it looks rock on but I don't like hate every heritage scheme
You know the Porsche heritage edition target that we drove. I didn't love the graphics
But I liked the rest of it. It was a good car with the meatball was dumb the meatball was dumb the graphics are dumb, but like
The let's just you know, we must not
Disperage the mercury nautica villager ever
That's hallowed minivan
But like, you know other examples, uh, this this uh, this person has a Volvo v90
CC ocean race a Julia quad super sport and a lotus amir a Chapman bespoke edition
If I saw you at a car show and you said you have a lotus amir a Chapman bespoke edition
That would that would I would cringe in your face. I think you just you have an amir
So this is the supersport. Yeah, I mean
Again, if you like the color package fucking rock out with your cock out
I mean the good news here is the alpha quad supersport is just black. Yeah. Yeah
And maybe there's other colors too, but it doesn't have like a the BMW had very bright turbo colored graphics all over it. Yeah
don't hate it, but uh
You know it ain't it ain't special. It's just a color if you like it. That's what that that is what is important, right?
um
Lightning Mcdragg queen funny
Taking the work trip to mammoth lakes
In california in april. I'm probably gonna fly into reno and rent a car
Any good driving roads or must-see spots between reno?
I mean, yeah, dude all of them like alabama hills. You're taking the 395
No, reno's north of mammoth on the 395 alabama hills is south, right, but they're flying to reno and then driving
Sorry albama hills is south of mammoth mammoth. Oh, yeah mammoth hills. Yeah. No, I mean like all the roads around tahoe
Drive to instead of take the time instead of driving straight from reno to mammoth drive to mammoth via tahoe
So go around and then make a you know
Spend a night in top. Maybe not spend a night, but like that's the the fun way. Yeah
Because that's why here's 395 and then there's hiking galore like go to bishop and go west up whatever road it is
That goes up to mosquito flats and you can park at 10,000 feet and do one of the greatest easiest hikes
Along little lakes valley if you like walking it is one of the most beautiful places. I've been to that's also where we went to
Um bristle cone pine forest right that's on the east side. It's really cool. Yeah, that was super cool
But basically just like look for the squiggles plan to drive from reno around lake tahoe
And then down to mammoth and then just find the squiggles because there's like tons of them there
Tough owed bought an f 87
Uh, is that is it? What is that? What's an f 87? I don't actually know what that is
I've been using them my daily on the turnpike in the garden state parkway
I find the suspension to be very stiff. Do you have suggestions for softening it?
I was m2 was the before it got ugly. It's the old m2. Yeah. Yeah, I mean an aftermarket solution
Uh
If it's a competition then it's then it's stiffer. Yeah, that was that was a really stiff one
Um the non-competition was better in that regard the turnpike fucking sucks, dude driving an m car down the turnpike is terrible
That tarmac is garbage. I think I mean they said, you know, olens
Maybe the manufacturer is less important than the spring rate
And the intention of the coilover so you could I mean there's plenty of good companies that make great suspension
You honestly might have to do research from like rally forms or contact a suspension company and just say like write them and say
Here's what i'm dealing with
What would you recommend and a lot of them will assemble a spring and in a shock for you and you say hey
We'll put this lighter rally spring on this street damper or something and that might be the solution
Yeah, these are like pretty small companies like they'll they'll work with you on a specific package
but
man, that's a tough
m2 on the turnpike every day that's
That when commuting back and forth to philly on the turnpike from from uh
Where I was from in mustang that was like I did that for six months
I was like get this mustang the fuck out of here and I bought a suv
Uh light bias. What are your feelings on the recent watch market report and it's bad news for brands like long jeans and omega
I didn't read the watch market report mainly because I don't give a shit
But it's it's the k-shaped economy, bro
Everything let me guess
Rolex Patek and ap are making a fuck ton of money
And everyone else is down
Uh and if if you make a mid-tier watch right now your customer is not spending money
Like they're not buying a new watch right now. Um, it would suck to be in the market of
Five to ten thousand dollar watches right now. That would be uh, that would be bad. Um
But if you're selling watches for like
$500,000 you my friend have no problems because in this economy
Fucking 2,500 people globally by all the keep all of those people afloat
Uh
The swinging tire what unusual cars would make fun ice race cars
Depends if you want what do you want fun to mean? Do you want the car to actually drive properly or are you just talking about silly?
Well, there's a catering there. Yeah, and that I think uh needs a little more ground clearance
But that would be very fun because it's like a street driven legends car essentially. Yeah, sam's aerial adam
Our aerial nomad was was that was sam's car. Yeah sam's car that whoever drove it did it well
Because they were sliding it very nicely. That's a good thing for that. Yeah
You know, uh a fucking like a reno r5 turbo it would probably drive terrible
But it would be terrible on the street too. Yeah, they're not great
Uh that off-road viper
That would be cool with some big big spikes
um
I think yeah, I think front engine's great because you can just carry the slide past the whole crowd
So that's what I'd want to do something like, you know big a fucking fox body with big like one inch spikes on it
Anything like that would be super cool that big was it like 944 the one that was like a trophy truck
Yeah with the ls it didn't seem to be running right it didn't you know, you had a trans problem
And it wasn't fat but it just looked like good spectacle. It did look cool. Yeah
9 944s seemed to be about about right as well. I mean people there was a couple different lifts in 944s that were cool
Uh
I know something loud with four-wheel drive would be great
That's light like uh, uh, Amelia's car was rad. Yeah, that's such a cool thing. Yeah
R32 skyline
Rally car rally would be kick-ass actually that would be super fun. I would very much enjoy that
Uh, right country night school you're building a replica code or a cobra and you can choose any engine
But it can't be a v8. What are you gonna use?
Why would you do this? I mean just to make us mad answer is v12
I could be a v12
I
Hate this question. It's so stupid and I'm I'm like really angry about it. I know you kind of surprised me
It would sound wrong and the engine's so long. Oh, no, it's too big. Yeah
Straight six and then you're basically driving a jaguar
But with more steps. What about a w12?
Sure. All right. W12 would be the would be the length of a six cylinder
I
I do like an rb. I guess and just make it 1500 horsepower and just to placate yourself for not having a v8. This is a dumb question
Let's see, uh
Kind of did that tickle your pickle for a triple nickel. What's your favorite wheel design five spoke mesh turbine phone dial
I'm a five spoke person
Dike if I had to just choose one kind of setup for the rest of my life
I'd go five spoke of varying thicknesses or
The the bbs rally cars like that wheel is when it's filled out. That's rad on the right vehicle
The problem is that it's highly for me highly specific to the car. There is no
There is no favorite design. I would put on all cars, but like no like the chroma dora style
Which is basically the ferrari Daytona wheel
through
The 328 wheel so like that five spoke italian star that was on everything
Looks like the three-piece look. I guess it was well. Just look at a ferrari Daytona
Magnesium wheel
That yeah, so it didn't have to be that color but that the that star pattern right
That that you that started on the Daytona and it went through pretty much every ferrari of the 80s
You could get with a variation of this star pattern, right?
So I think that pattern looks the best on the most different types of shapes
You know, I agree
You could you could make a wheel that looks like a five spoke wheel
You could make a five spoke wheel fit on almost anything kind of well
Especially with like that that simple thick spoke. I've seen it on
911 turbos and I've seen it on mustangs on you know, whatever and I think it works on pretty much everything
Stice slice the loans glass coffee table
Uh, the latest season guy Fieri's tournament of champions just started if I could cook
In a competition against another automotive journalist. Who would it be and what would I make?
Who's who else is a good cook that we work with?
Is Johnny a good cook
He's a great baker. His bread is fucking fabulous. I've I don't know if I've ever had his cooking that wasn't bread
but
I've never eaten
Food made by another journalist. I don't know if I've ever
Yeah, who's you know, you know, who's a really good cook Amelia. Oh really Amelia
Amelia made me and Hannah a great dinner. Uh, she was she was a very good cook. I was impressed
Mmm
Johnny's probably a good cook if I had to guess I would guess that he is
Um, who else I bet daniel could cook. He just seems like probably but I don't know this
I bet some of the like
Really fancy people that that go out like people that like the right for like rob report someone some like bossam
Yeah, boss basm can probably cook if I had to guess
Shit someone I'm no I know someone somewhere
Is like I know I bet your hairs can't cook for shit. No, he can't cook for nothing Chris couple like cameraman
Like I know a few production people that are better cooks than than actual automotive journalists
I'd go ahead to head with Amelia
If I had to go cook off for sure
Daytime running with my camel lights nice
If you had to pick someone from the youtube
Space to review each of your cars, who would you choose personality and car? Hmm
Oh, that's fun
Chris I uh, I would want, um
Chris uh to review the manks
I would want
um
Um
Jethro to drive my spider
Uh, and I would like dug to drive the delica. Oh interesting. Yeah, that's a good one
This person suggested regular cars for the delica, which would also be hilarious, but totally different style. Did they do that?
probably they
No, they didn't they did uh, it was they did my delorean back in the day and then nino's dodge nitro
I think
I don't remember
Uh matt's fox body qualified for the bus lane
Uh, a couple shows back you talked about the uh
Uh the chimes in the maserati with no visual indicator the nav and stilentus products picks up red light cameras among other things
And chimes with no visual indicator if you're running carplay
There we go. That's it. It's gotta be a red light camera chime
It's gotta be
Okay, a couple times it did happen at the red light camera near my house between my house and the 90 freeway
Uh in that area where I know there's a red light camera. That's a good note. Thank you
So it's just saying you're approaching a red light
But it's going ding ding ding. Yeah, but like that's you're approaching a red light camera a red light camera
Why did I say red light? Yeah, okay, and that's helpful. It is
Man, if you drove this thing in south korea that thing would have a metronome effect
There's so many. Well, apparently you can once you know what it is you can turn it off. Yeah, okay
All right, so you have to go in and just disable red light camera. Yeah. Yeah fun maserati facts. We have a video coming with that car
Um, thanks everybody. That's our program today
Our next show this week is actually going to be a day late
It's going to be on friday because I don't get home from spain until 7 30 thursday night. It's a weird
It's a weird flying schedule on this one. Um, but yeah, i'm going to go drive the astin martin valhalla
I don't actually know who else will be there if someone cool is there
Maybe I can get us a little bonus podcast content while we're there
But it's, you know, astin martin's million dollar mid-engined thing at, uh,
circuits navara, so that should be a good time
So we'll be at day late the second half of this week, but we appreciate you
Thank you to our patrons for such good questions today
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About this episode
Zach and Matt share their experience at the inaugural F.A.T. ICE race in Big Sky, Montana, describing it as more of a lively party than a traditional race. They discuss the diverse range of cars, from exotic supercars like Pagani and Lamborghini to rally cars and budget builds, highlighting the event's unique blend of motorsport and entertainment. The hosts also touch on the challenges of the icy track conditions, the fun and chaos of the weekend, and their Airbnb adventures. The episode captures the spirited atmosphere and the mix of serious driving and social fun that defines this new ice racing event.
900 horsepower
Bentley
carbon fiber
Formula Drift championship
Goodwood
ice race
key fob
loose surface
moving violation
oversteer
Ariel Nomad
Aston Martin Valhalla
BMW 2 Series
BMW M2
Chevrolet Camaro
Chevrolet Suburban
Dodge Nitro
Ferrari 458
Ferrari Daytona SP3
Ferrari Enzo
Fiat Brava
Ford Bronco
Ford Maverick
Ford Mustang
Land Rover Range Rover
Lotus Emira
McLaren 720S
Mercury Villager
Mitsubishi Delica
Nissan Leaf
Nissan Pulsar
Nissan Skyline
Porsche 911
Porsche 944
Porsche Carrera GT
Porsche Cayenne
Tesla Model Y
Toyota Celica
Toyota Corolla
Toyota Supra
Volkswagen Beetle
Volvo V90
Original notes
Matt Farah and Zack Klapman have returned from the frigid motorsport party that is F.A.T. ICE RACE 2026 held in Big Sky, MT and they have stories! Rare cars were slid (and in some cases, crashed), race cars went slowly, rev limiters were hit, rally cars rallied, and the beats banged.
We tell you who was there, what happened, the cars we want to bring for next year, and what it's like learning to drift in front of 2000 people.
Then we answer Patreon questions including:
BMW 230i coupe for a fun used buy?
Past content we screwed up
Which Italian design studio we'd most want to work with
Are white wheels ever good?
Ford's new cheap EV truck idea
Best used supercar
Will the car market soften in 20 years?
Do we like aesthetic special editions?
And more!
Recorded March 2, 2026
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