The Best Selling Trucks And The Biggest Flops Of 2025! | Ep. 313

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Andre, this is a great time of year because we can look back and we can do a little bit of

Monday morning football and coaching by looking back and figuring out what trucks were best sellers

and maybe more importantly, what trucks were flops last year. So in this episode,

we're going to go through and talk about, you know, which trucks you guys bought and which

trucks you guys didn't buy. Exactly. The winners and losers, so to speak. And by the way, happy new

year. I haven't seen you this year yet. Yes, I just got back from Florida. Yeah, where I was

driving a Maserati. Whoa, we'll save that for the car podcast. That sounds exciting.

It was exciting. I was in purgatory. I mean, the ski resort. Okay, good. Not an actual purgatory.

You didn't die and come back, huh? No, I was, yeah, I was gone for a little while. You were

gone. So, but now we're back in a big force and we have all the numbers. You know me, I'm kind of

a numbers guy. You are, if not numbers, you're nothing, Andre. You are definitely the numbers

guy. I love my numbers. This is episode 313, by the way. Wow. 313 of these. Yes. Makes me feel

very old. Well, you're doing it a long time. I mean, divide that by 52 and you're at six years.

Yeah, it's not bad. Yeah, not bad. Well, yeah, so let's take a look at this because

basically all manufacturers published our numbers. There's a couple of manufacturers that are a little

bit vague, like Tesla doesn't really break out their Cybertruck sales very clearly,

but we have all the data so we can go to TFL truck. So, you know, we did, you did, you encased

a video on this when the numbers first came out. Now we're going to do kind of a deep dive into it,

but I didn't watch that video. So, I'm going to be learning like the rest of you out there

from Andre, but I'm going to take a guess. Okay. I'm going to take a guess that the

Cybertruck did not outsell the F-150 like Mr. Musk had promised. Is that too wild of a guess?

No, you're on the money. Bullseye. All right. So, in fact, the Cybertruck halved in its production

sales. Really? So, they sold about 39,000 Cybertrucks in 2024 and they sold 17,000 according to some

sources in 2025. Yeah, because they don't really, like you said, break out the numbers. The only way

we really know how many they sold is by recalls, which is a good way to know because the Cybertruck

has had some recalls. That's right. I think this is, you know, there's that old adage,

don't mix politics and business. Yes. And I think a lot of people have been trying to figure out

whether that is true. And I think in this case, it certainly was true, especially in Europe. If you

look at sales of Teslas, and I know we're kind of veering into the car world here, but sales of

Teslas in Europe have really fallen off a cliff. They're down by like 25%. And more in some countries

as well. More in some countries. Yeah. And you know, you could attribute that to things like the

advent of the Chinese electric car, the advent of much more capable traditional, let's call them

legacy manufacturer EVs. But I think a lot of it is down to Mr. Musk himself. Yeah. And but here in

the US, the pickup truck manufacturers, they like those big claims. I'm the best selling truck.

That's 150 is best selling truck for 49 million years. Yeah, right. Yeah, that's what they say.

But we have to dig deeper because it may or may not seem what it is. But how about we save the

full size trucks just for a little later? I wanted to show you what's happening with full size.

Yeah, we got some news. Truck based SUVs because we didn't do these numbers yet.

All right. So tell me about the Tahoe the suburban looks like you've got a Ford expedition up there.

Exactly. And the Jeep Grand Wagoneer, all of them so cool. If you scroll down just a little bit,

we can take a look at some of these numbers. And it may be no surprise that Journal Motors

is still kind of a dominant player in this space. Well, you know, there is that trivia

that the suburban is the longest name plate in the American car scene. In other words, it's the one

name of a vehicle that's been around the longest, certainly almost 80 years longer than Corvette.

Yes, 90 years, maybe. Yeah, so exactly. And I think I think, you know, that says a lot. I think

when people are looking for a three row that'll tow, that's probably the one they think of.

You know, I was just at the ski resort, right? A couple days back. The purgatory purgatory.

And there's a lot of outstate folks because it's kind of a southern. This is almost a south in

Colorado as you can get near Durango. And guess where all of the suburban's were from Texas?

Yes, of course. Yeah. There were suburban's. There was expeditions. I saw a lot of pickup

trucks. I mean, this is the road trip vehicle, right? When you want a road trip somewhere,

for example, a ski resort like this, you probably load up in your Cadillac Escalade or Lincoln

Navigator or your Sequoia or Tahoe and you keep trucking. So how did the suburban do in terms

of sales? Wow. So it climbed 32% dude year over year. So huge sales improvement. But the Tahoe

is still king. The Tahoe sold a hundred and fourteen thousand vehicles in 2025 and then

improved by about 8%. So Tahoe is the one that I think that's because it's a little cheaper.

Yeah, it's a little. It's not as long as a suburban, obviously. It's a little bit more

approachable in terms of its driving dynamics. It's more of the let's call it the Swiss Army

knife of the three row because it kind of does it all right. There's an off roady one.

It's got enough room behind the third row where you can actually get some stuff in there,

even though it doesn't have as much room, obviously, as a suburban. Yeah. And it's,

it's a good looking truck. Now GMC, you know, Yukon, there's also Yukon XL, which is a suburban

brother, basically. But they don't break out those sales. They talk about all the Yukons and this

is more luxurious vehicle. You know, actually, there is some data that says people who buy a Yukon

probably have higher net worth than all the other people on this list, you know, even more than

people who buy Cadillacs because they want to be understated, but still have a very nice,

luxurious vehicle. So how many in total they sell 93,000, if you believe it or not, in the year.

And it's also up 6%, about 6.6%. Okay, how about the expedition coming in number three here in

terms of overall sales? Exactly. So Ford is not laying down, right? I mean, yes, the GM

towels and GMCs are really strong, but they also climbed. They sold 85,000, almost 86,000

expeditions in 2025, up 10% over previous year. So look at this, they're knocking on the door

of the Yukon. Yeah, do you like the smiley face on the new expedition? I do. I do actually. I do.

I kind of like it. Can you show a picture up above here, Cole? They kind of gave you a smiley face,

right? Yeah, look at that. There it is. You see, Cole, what do you think, Cole? Do you notice that?

It's like a little big smile on the front of it. Exactly. And you know what, I was just talking to

my cousin, Mike, you know, Mike, we interviewed him. Actually, he helped us out shipping

with shipping. He said he likes the front of the new expedition, but he doesn't like the rear.

The rear's got that big bar that goes across. Yeah, Cole, can you look up an image of a 2026

expedition? And I actually appreciate the rear hatch of these new trucks because it's kind of a

split tailgate, right? There's a tailgate that falls down. I think there's an image right below

there, right there. And then there's a part that opens up. So it's kind of handy in my perspective,

but he said he didn't like the way it looks. Now, you went, well, it's also got a smiley

smiley face, but you went on the launch of this, right? I did. And what did you think of it? Do

you like it? I did. It drives amazing. I mean, they improved the suspension system on a lot of

these vehicles. You know what else they're doing? They're increasing the size of the wheels and tires,

right? Now you're rolling on 24s on some of these models. Yeah, I know that. I remember when I went

on the launch, it was unveiling of the latest Suburban Slash. And they talked about 24s, right?

It was just crazy because, oh, God, to make those ride well because you were looking,

you're riding on rubber bands at that point. Exactly. The sidewall is not

existent. And to make that ride well, you really have to do some suspension magic.

Yeah, but I think what helps, I test drove a couple of different Suburbans and Taho's

and also the Expedition. And the longer the wheelbase, the better it gets, you know,

so you can spread out that weight. All right, so which is cool. Let me ask you this,

you got two Taho's, all right? Yes. One is the, let's say, the City Slicker, right? It's got

whatever it is, 22s or 23s. So maybe like RST performance. RST performance, right? It's kind

of low and mean. Or you get the off-roading one, which is riding on like, what would we

be riding on? 20s maybe? I think it's the smallest. I think it's 20s with like a 33 inch tall. Yeah,

yeah, with a big all-terrain tire. Which look do you like better? Do you like the street or you

like the country? It is country. You know me, I'm country. Yeah, I like the country look better.

Well, it's a truck, right? There is a frame underneath. So in my opinion, it should be like

a Z71 or the Tremor, you know, the Expedition Tremor that they also have. Makes a little bit

more macho in my view. Here's my hot take, okay? This is my hot take. And see if you agree with

us, Cole. I figured this out when I was just in Florida. So as you know, Andrea, my mom passed

away earlier last year. Yeah. And she left me a condo on Marko Island. Marko Island has gotten,

my parents bought that place in 83 when it was still being developed. Well, over 40 years ago.

Yeah, for a hundred and like $60,000. Okay. But now it's gotten very ritzy and there's a lot

of rich folk who go on vacation down there. So Marko, if you're wondering where Marko is, it's

below Naples, Florida, which is kind of directly across from Miami. So if you were to drive across

the peninsula of Florida from Miami on Alligator Alley, you would hit Naples and or Marko Island.

That's where it's at on the Gulf side. Anyway, so all these ritzy cars. And as you know, I recently

flew down there and I bought a Bentley Continental, a Conti. I like to call it a Conti. Convertible.

And we're going to we're going to get the trucks. Don't worry. I'm not. Yeah, where are you coming

from? I'm not hijacking this. Okay, trucks. So I bought a Conti down there and drove it back up

here. And the thing about the Continentals down there is it's there's a lot of them. And I bought

a 2007. So, you know, 35,000. This is not a $400,000 car. No, no, no, no, no. We don't roll that

but but it just feels like an old man car. Okay. Because but I like it. It has presence. Yeah,

but it just feels like when you because everybody down there is, you know, gray haired or no hair.

And I suspect very wealthy when they're driving these things. And it just it just and this is a

convertible. It just feels like the kind of car where, you know, you've gone to the part of your

life where comfort becomes the overriding factor about about everything else. But did you feel

inadequate in your older Continental? Is that where you're coming from? No, I didn't feel I love that.

I don't care. I don't care what people think of me. But the fact is that when you drive it down

there, you just feel like you're one of the old retirees, you know, you're waiting, you've got

money and you know, you can't take it with you. So you might as well spend it on a I mean,

Continentals are probably $400,000 now new ones. So why not? But here's the thing I figured out.

All Continentals live either in South Florida or in Naples because sorry, not Naples in Southern

California. So either Southern Florida or Southern California, because that's kind of where, you know,

Orange County beaches or the sun is and that's where the older folk are. Okay. But if you take

that vehicle and you take it out of context, and you put it here in Colorado, all of a sudden it

stops, I think it stops being like an old man car and kind of stops starts being a cool old classic.

So because it's not as common. Yeah. So like, like right now it's snowing outside and the video I

want to do with that Conti is I want to take the top down, throw some skis or board in the back

and take it. We thanks to our friends at who does blue Zach's Michelin, right? Yeah. Yeah. They give

us the the or Bridgestone Bridgestone. Sorry, Bridgestone. Thanks to our friends. Not Michelin.

Thank you. Sorry about that. Bridgestone. Thanks to our friends at Bridgestone. We got the all

weather tires for it. And so now we have snow rated tires and an all wheel drive car and the

video we're going to make, I'm going to make is I'm going to take the top down, I'm going to throw

some skis in the back and we're going to go skiing. And I think that's how you make a car cool. So

what you're doing is you're taking the car out of its context and it's normally and putting it in

a different context. So you're taking it out of sunny Mark Wilden and putting it in snowy Colorado

and all of a sudden it kind of becomes cool and hip because it doesn't belong here. And it goes from

being an old geezer car to kind of like a youthful car. And I think the same thing happens when you

do that with the Tahoe when you take the Tahoe and you take it off those, you know, 22s or 23s and

you put it on some off road tires. And then you take it down, let's say Manhattan. All of a sudden

that off road car becomes cool. I think that's the reason that like the G wagon is so much like

because even though, you know, it is it is the biggest off roader that Mercedes builds. Most of

them never see a lick of dirt. Most of them are driving around LA or New York. But because it's

out of context, it's cool. So that's that's my feeling about these big trucks. So that's how

you brought it back. That's how I brought it back to the Tahoe that a Tahoe on off road, big old

off road tires with a lift, even if you're driving down, let's say, you know, Manhattan is cool.

We were a nice 70 in the mountains last year, and you and I and I think Kase and maybe Cole was

there. We saw a Lamborghini, I think it was a Diablo with like skis on top. Yeah, that was cool too.

That is cool. Yeah, you take it out of context. You get it out of South Beach and you put it up

here in the mountains with skis on top. Yeah, I'm not sure that I'm not sure that the Bentley is as

cool as we can make it cool. We could we could try. Yeah, you could wear goggles, put the top down,

wear goggles and just drive into the snow. You don't need goggles, we got a windshield,

we got heated seats and a windshield. Okay, that's all you need. Okay, all right. All right,

so let's keep going on the list. Oh, Don has a question. Yeah, so thank you. We are on patreon.com

slash tfl car live right now. So if you're a Patreon, you could also interact with us. So Don is

asking when brands report sales, is this a to just to a dealership or is that an actual registered

vehicle, which is a really important question. So what Don is asking, when a car gets sold,

it gets sold to a dealership. Yes, as opposed to the end customer, which would be you and me,

and is the manufacturer counting sales to customers or sales to dealers as being a sale?

What's the answer entry customers, because when I look at all these numbers is,

they also state the inventory, right? So they're saying, you know, we sold this many,

but our inventory and by inventory, that means cars on lots. Yeah, on lots. I think if you

counted sales to dealers, you would really skew the numbers because yeah, because a lot of them,

there's like half a million trucks on sold still waiting right right now. So so that would be a

really a skewed way of looking at it. But also, a customer is like a fleet manager. So like if you

were Amazon and just bought a hundred F 150s, that would also be a customer. Okay, you know,

so that's that's how how they counted. Alright, well, let's keep going down that list. You haven't

gotten to the bottom yet. So we were at the suburban and next comes the slave, my man, the

escalate dude, they sold almost 50,000 of them in 2025. Also up, do they break out the EV one

from the regular one? Yes, scroll down actually call. So they have the escalate IQ, which I labeled

as EV because not a lot of people understand IQ. Wow, that's funny. But look, dude, the escalate

electric escalate outsold the Lexus LX. I thought that was interesting because Lexus LX is basically

a Land Cruiser in Lexus clothing that's been around for decades. It's also they're both about

comparable actually, right? Because the Lexus LX is about 120 and the escalate probably starts

a little bit more than that. Yeah, probably starts there. So that's really interesting that people

a lot of people are choosing an electric luxury SUV. At least right now, maybe the rumors of

EV's death have been somewhat exaggerated. If it's outselling the Lexus or it could have, I mean,

or maybe also the status symbol, there's a lot more Cadillac dealers. Lexus doesn't. I think there

are more Cadillac dealers. So there's a lot that goes into these numbers. Yeah, there is. And you

know, you can't take this. You have to take it with a grain of salt. But I was just, you know,

just a few months ago, I was at my son's soccer game, and there was a escalate IQ parked in the

front. So it's almost like a status symbol, right? It's something new and fresh that I think some

people are actually looking at. Alright, so next on the list is the Nissan Armada up 14%. Of course,

it's new, which helps. Yeah, went from a V8 to a twin turbo V6. And also the Infinity QX 80,

same story, right? It's also refreshed. It's also has a twin turbo V6 now. So Armada 15,267,

Infinity QX 10,339. You think Nissan's happy with those numbers?

Well, they're growing. The infinity grew by about 31%. And the Armada grew by 14%

ish. So I think they're, I think they need to sell more. They're still below the navigator,

right? So now we're going from the bottom up. And so then Armada and Infinity together,

what's sold about 30,000 vehicles. That's not too bad. The interesting thing about the

Armada is that we just had that Nismo version. Yeah. And I'm looking at a lot of these other

vehicles that are on the list. And what makes the Nismo version unique is that it's kind of the

sporty one. It has like a body kit. It's got a body kit. Yeah, it's got this kind of this cool

paint job. It looks like it's got like the skirt on that gives it arrow. Well, I don't know if

skirts on trucks are that cool. Well, that's what I was wondering. Do you think that this is a trend?

Or do you think that the Nissan's kind of, you know, just trying anything, throwing stuff up

against the wall to see what sticks? You think that we will see sporty versions? Because when I

was at the quail, Infinity had built a track version of the QX 80 as well that they were showing.

Of course, same company, right? Infinity and Nissan. Like a Godzilla version of it? Well,

yeah, I mean, you did have the trackhawk, right, which is a two row. But do you think that at some

point that any of these other companies will come and actually compete in like a track focused or

sport focused? You foresee like a like a Tahoe, what would you call it? I think they're almost

getting there. Yeah. So the RST, the RST Tahoe is, you know, it has so first of all Chevy sells them

to police departments, right? You know, you've seen those Chevy Tahoe's, you know, with with

lights on top of them. But I don't think that our towels low. I don't think it's like, I don't

think they lowered it. I don't think they like they haven't given it sports suspension. Whereas

the Armada actually, if you looked at the Armada, you'd know that this is something that is like,

hey, we're going to put this cool. Can you look up a Chevy Tahoe RST performance? It has that kind

of a slightly lowered, a little bit more butch. I don't know. I'm not sure how far it's lowered.

Maybe just half an inch. But it's actually an RST. Maybe you could build it in the configurator.

There it is. That does not look sporty to me, Andre. There's a different version. That looks

anything that's sporty. Maybe you can see images do some images. Yeah, with the black wheels and tires.

So it's a blacked out. So see, you see, it almost looks like kind of a government high

performance vehicle because it's a Chevy Tahoe that's purchased by a lot of governments.

So it has that a little bit more sporty appearance. Now, Cole, could you could you click

get a Nismo Armada and show the difference?

You like that skirt, huh? No, I don't like the skirt. I think it looks funny. But you're wondering

if it's a trend. Yeah, okay, now make that bigger. Would you click on that guy? There you go. Yeah,

so that to me screams performance, right? That red line that runs along the skirt, the red line that

runs up. Yeah, right. The Tahoe just looks like it's a serious, let's call it a serious version

of a Tahoe. This to me looks like it. They actually went for a sporty sport. Yeah, like a sports car.

So Ford also called do me another favor. Look up Ford Expedition Stealth. Now I say that because

I was just at SEMA with you. Yeah, Nissan was kind enough to invite me out there.

And their SEMA build was an Armada with a GTR engine. Now that is sporty. Yes, that was a

thousand horsepower. Yeah, that one was like, dude, take my money, take my money. The problem,

of course, with the Nismo is that there's no actually it's the same problem with all of these,

right? It's like the older one. But yeah, they have a stealth performance. It's like the Lobo

where it's just a body kit, maybe some suspension tuning, maybe some like, you know, headrest

with a little bit of sporty embroidery in it. Yeah, but unless you actually go for the power plan,

it's not sporty to me, right? That was I agree. That was a brilliance of the Trackhawk. I agree.

They took a they took a Hellcat engine, lowered it, lowered a Grand Cherokee and made it into a

track eating monster. Actually, I just realized something. Yeah, what's that? Cool, forget about

all this. Forget about all this. Go to Cadillac Escalade V. There you go. The V supercharged,

yeah, humongous, so maybe so maybe it is a trend. So maybe it is a trend. Yes, I would forget about

all of this. There it is. 650 ish horsepower in a luxury SUV. When I talked to other journalists,

they all kind of make fun of this car because it's like, to them, it seems very outrageous. Yes,

but this is out of all of them, this is the one that gets my heart going. Oh, yes, because as

soon as you start the engine and it comes to live and it's actually loud, so it's not understated

in any, in any sense. Can you find the video where we drag raced it? Oh, yes. We got to play the

audio of this because are we able to hear it? We can't hear it. Well, let's show it to him at

least on the track trip. Wait, that's all right. Just just play the video. We'll show it to him.

I should see the video because escalate V. Why can't we hear the audio?

Well, because it's coming from the different source here. I'm just saying whoever designed the

software we're using, you could, you could, you know, you could add audio. Is that it? Yeah.

Anyways, we love doing drag racing for this reason. I think you love watching it too because

whenever we do, look at Nathan, he's dressed up for this. Whenever we do a drag race with trucks,

people always say, why are you doing this? But a lot more people watch it. So that's what it is.

So we drag raced it against our, at that time, our Hummer EV. Exactly. Which is a thousand horsepower.

There's Nathan with his foot to the floor and teeth grinding. This is not a good demonstration

of the coolness of the supercharger. That's not a good demo. So here comes the finish line,

there goes the Hummer EV. Oh, it's way back there. But I would wager around, man. Let's see,

but the Hummer EV, I couldn't see it. 12.3 a quarter mile. That's insane. That's insane. That's

a 12 second quarter mile. Probably like 13 or something. So why don't they do that? Why don't

they do the people's version of that? Why don't they do a supercharged style? Yeah. Yes. General

motors Chevrolet. Yes, please, please. Hey, GM, did you know that Ram just brought back the TRX?

Did you hear this? Do they know that? Do they know? Hello? Hello, GM, do you know that? Hello.

That there's a TRX now? Did you know that Ford has a Raptor R? General Motors, you know that?

And what do you have? They have an escalate. What do you have? They have an escalate V.

Yeah. You have an escalate V with a mere six hundred and seventy horsepower because the new

Ram TRX is over seven hundred and seventy? Seven, triple seven. Triple seven. Seven hundred and seven.

Yeah. And we're not talking about Boeing. A hundred more than your escalate. A hundred more. Yes.

Yeah. Chris is here. Chris and Dave are here on Patreon and live. So thank you for joining us.

Chris says I'm shocked that eighty one hundred escalates EVs were sold. That's over a billion

dollars in total revenue. He's not wrong. No, that's a lot. And Dave says happy New Year guys

having a moment of silence for the lightning. Hey, GM, did you know the gas is now two dollars a

gallon and that the Trump administration has basically neutered EPA standards? I think they've

heard that. You think you've heard that? And also the lightning died. All right. We talked about

this. Yeah, let's go back and talk about the rest of because we didn't get we haven't gone. We're

almost there. Okay, let's finish. Let's finish it off because Lincoln did good. How did the

slantist vehicles do? Not the best. So so they're changing over. So I'm talking about the Grand

Wagoneer Wagoneer. Yes. And they're renaming all of them now Grand Wagoneer. So the Wagoneer name

will be kind of set a little bit away. For example, Wagoneer S electric SUV is still there. But the

big three row SUVs are all going to be called Grand Wagoneer now. And they had a really great

fourth quarter. So in fourth quarter, they sold over 10,000 Grand Wagoneers. But for the year

they were down. Actually, look, they're the only manufacturer that in 2025 actually declined.

Was that wrong? Did they lower the price? Yes, they did. Yeah. So that's that's a good thing,

right? And I think that's showing up in the data. But Cole, if you scroll just really quickly to

the bottom on this page, where you at a little bit further, a little bit further, I combined all

the numbers. And GM is on top, they have about 60% of the market, then Ford and Lincoln are next.

And then Grand Wagoneer is number three. So slantist is there. Then number four is Toyota Lexus

and number five is Nissan Infinity. So let's go back up, Cole. How did the Sequoia do?

Up or down? Even, even Stephen. Do you see that 0.3% so I think Toyota maybe,

I don't know, if they're hitting a ceiling with their Sequoia or I'm not quite sure.

It's funny that the most off road worthy of those, which is at the very bottom,

the LX, the Lexus has only sold 2000 in the quarter and 7400. Yeah, I wonder why that is. I

wonder why people that to me out of all of these, okay, that would be the one I would buy just

because I talked about the 700H triple lock. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Maybe get it with those captain

seats in the back, but I'll get both. Can you get it with those captain seats? Yeah, you can get

those captain seats. That's the one that has like, like recliner seats. Yeah, it's like

private airplane seating, right? Almost, almost where the seat comes up and the foot rest comes

up and you've got your own little control there for all of your comfort features. It's interesting

that out of all these, that's the least selling. It's not even the least expensive. I mean, it's

not the most expensive. I would think that the Escalade IQ is more expensive. I'm looking at this

list, probably the Grand Wagoneer would have been more expensive at least the beginning of the year.

So even, you know, even though it's $120,000, I still think. But Roman, wonder why that is.

Cole, can you show me the total at the bottom of this? So 541,000 of these biggest CVs were

sold in a year, which is up 11%. So we get a lot of comments from everybody who listens and watches

that vehicles are getting more expensive. Yes. But this data shows that more than ever,

and probably a lot of them are fleets, right? So when you see luxury shuttles at resorts or

Vegas, when you go to some of these places, a lot of them are Escalades or a lot of them are

very nice Lincoln's. But the numbers are going up. The question I have on the Lexus,

Alexis, it's got that twin turbo v6 that now today has replaced 200,000, but they haven't

done the hybrids yet, right? It's a hybrid. So the Lexus, Alexis not technically affected yet.

But I have this sneaking suspicion that it's the same engine that's in the

non hybrid. And Toyota's slowly kind of rolling out the recalls trying not to, you know, have to

recall 300,000 engines or whatever it is, because right now they've recalled 200,000.

And I got a sneaky suspicion that that might sometime this year be one that gets also recalled.

I'm just guessing I have no insider knowledge to back that up. But if I were to, and I had to

recall every single one of those twin turbo v6's be they hybrid or not, I wouldn't do it all at

once because that would be a huge chunk of money to outlay and a huge chunk of work for all the

dealers to do. So I'd be a little concerned. Like I said, I have no insider knowledge of this.

This is just me kind of guessing at it. So if you're planning on buying one or if you want one,

you know, take what I'm saying with a big grain of salt, but it might be something to

think about. And the nice thing is they are replacing the engine. So you might get a whole

new engine. Yeah, so could go both ways. Dave Stubbs has another comment here. He's wondering

if Ford should be making an expedition Raptor to go up against the Escalade V. But I think,

I mean, a Raptor, yes, you could have a V8, you know, supercharged V8, they would start with a

tremor. They do have a trem already. They already have started with a tremor. So so

I think the Raptor, it's an off road version, right? So they really need a street supercharged

truck like an expedition Lobo. That'd be so the Lobo from the factory doesn't have any extra power.

I think that's where Ford really kind of didn't hit the mark. I know they have a supercharger.

You could buy at the dealership, you know, with the fourth performance parts. But but I think it

has to be from the factory. And this is a good place to transition to compact trucks. Let's start

with the trucks. Let's start with the bottom. Yes, so let's start with compact trucks. Surprise

you. All right. All right, because there's only two. Yes, there's a Santa Cruz and there's

the Maverick. So which I can tell you which one sold more without even looking at the numbers.

But you don't you have no idea how much total they sold. Not not now, not until now you do.

Okay, so so the Santa Cruz sold 32,033. No, that's the previous year. Oh,

25,500 ish. That's what they sold in 2025. And Maverick drum roll 155,051 Mavericks were sold

versus 131 142. Yeah, which is 18% improvement. That's incredible. Usually, sales of vehicles go

down as the right. If you're ever looking for a classic car, chances are when you're looking for

a classic car, let's say you're looking for an FJ, the FJ that you're going to find is a first

year production, which I believe is a 2014, maybe FJ Cruiser. I could be wrong about that. Maybe it's

like 2000 could be wrong. What's the first year production on the FJ Cruiser. But you have to

specify which FJ. Yeah, because when you say 2007, yeah, that's the one when you say FJ, it could

be FJ. 1467 is the last year. I don't know. I'm just I'm bad with numbers, Andre, but it will

you every time you look at one, you will find that it's a 2007 because that's the first year

production. So it's very surprising that the numbers actually have increased on the Ford Maverick,

which means it's strong, which means people want one. Yeah. And also, it's been refreshed,

right? Because we bought the refreshed last year, because you couldn't get the hybrid.

And I think the fact that it's also a hybrid and the Santa Cruz is not a hybrid. I don't know why

because they have that powertrain. It's available. They just haven't put it in the Santa Cruz.

Exactly. So because the Maverick is both a little bit more affordable in some cases,

and also have an efficient powertrain with their hybrid, I think Ford is winning. And Roman,

where is Toyota? Where is General Motors? Where is Ram? Where is Jeep? Where is Honda? Where is

Nissan? Nobody else is building a compact truck. Where are they? Where's the stout? Yes, Toyota.

Where are you? Where is the stout? In America. We're not talking about, you know, the rest of

the world. Akio, bring the stout. Yeah. You will do well. Timing is everything, you know. It's like

if you wait too long, and if you come up with something and the moment is gone, it's not going

to do well. And there's numerous examples of manufacturers that have done that, because it

takes a long time to, you know, from conception to, I think GM has probably waited too long for

Raptor Fighter at this point. The Raptor, first Raptor was available in 2010. It's two, the moment

is gone at this point, I think. I mean, we'll see if they're updating the Silverado trucks. We'll

talk about it a little bit more. But I agree. I mean, if you don't hit the timing, or you might

be too late, you might be too early, but yes. Yeah, but there's numerous examples of trucks that

have become competitive, but it, but it, the segment blew up and then the automaker figured

it out. And then they built the vehicle and then by the time it actually hit the dealership, it was

too late. It can happen. Yes. So Maverick is a winner, best seller, Santa Cruz, unfortunately

decreased in sales. So Santa Cruz is struggling pretty badly. Yeah, are you ready for the mid-sizers?

Yeah, let's go for it. So this was a surprise to me when I first saw it. We know Tacoma is

the best seller. We know this. But did you know that they had their best year ever in 2025 with

274,638 Tacomas sold versus 192,813 in 2024? That's a, that's a boat ton of Tacomas, Andre.

That's more than a boat ton. That's, uh, that's a lot of trucks. That's a lot of trucks. Yeah.

I think that that is because, um, well, first of all, the Tacoma was old. So now it's new. Now it's

new, but it took them a little while to get the machine rolling, right? It's interesting that

they sold so many. And yet when we read the comments in the videos, every comment is, I don't

want a turbo. And yet, and yet they're on every street corner apparently 274,000 of you don't mind

having a turbo. So, so maybe, maybe it's the case of, you know, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

Yeah. And the squeaky wheel in this case is all the guys and gals who are like, I don't want a turbo.

And now everybody bought it. Now everybody's buying turbos. So, so in the midsize segment,

so General Motors is really in the second place. Um, and the Chevy Colorado sold 107,000. But look

at that. That's less than half of what Tacoma sold. And when you combine Chevy Colorado and

James C Canyon together, there's still like 130,000 vehicles behind Tacoma. So, and by the way,

the Canyon is decreasing. Look at this. So the Canyon is in last place as far as all midsize

trucks are concerned. And it, it's, it's down by 4.5%. So it went from 38,000 in 2024 to 36,000.

Yeah. So 277 in 2025. I'm wondering if that's because the Canyon is a lot more expensive than

the Colorado, but doesn't have a different powertrain. I mean, they share the same engine,

right? So I'm wondering if people are choosing more value and they're going to Colorado instead.

This is probably just me. We have a Canyon. Yes. 84x. I just love the look of the thing.

I love the color. I love the interior. My only issue with it is I don't like the powertrain.

I think it's buzzy. It doesn't feel torquey. It just feels kind of like a lightweight powertrain

for, you know, what should be a heavyweight powertrain. And I know I don't know what lightweight

means. Maybe it needs a six instead of a four cylinder, but it just feels like it's a little too

non significant enough for a truck that I love so much. Agreed. Plus the one we bought is like

$57,000, right? Yeah. And we came from the Ranger Raptor, which had a six cylinder, so it's always

hard to go from a six to a four. Yeah. And there's something about a four that just the way that

it puts out power is always going to be a little a little lightweighty. You know, it's going to be

a little like buzzy, a little harsh, not pleasing. Yeah. And that's a problem. It's funny. I would

say that's the problem with all the two of the four cylinders. They're just a little harsh.

Yeah. But apparently it doesn't matter. Apparently not. You guys,

and I think that has to do with the Toyota's reputation for reliability, which is well

earned. Yes. But I also kind of feel like that reputation was earned on the back of like the

2002 four liter V sixes. No, I think it was earned on the back of the 2002 Toyota Camry on the old

V eight, the five point. I always get this wrong. Is it five point seven seven? I get it wrong. And

I think there is I'm seeing a little bit more cost cutting in to does nowadays. And I and I think

I'm not off by saying that Allah that 200,000, you know, replacement engines replacement engine,

yeah, which I'm sure is costing the company billions. So I think when they were first coming

to America, the way they established their reputation was by building high quality,

long lasting, reliable, right? Those small vehicles. Yeah. And people said if you know,

especially at a time when the American versions of those cars were pretty crappy,

my dad had an LTD, believe me, there's not a lot of those left. Andre, there was a car called the

citation. Oh, God, what is why? Why would you buy a citation? Jamesville, Wisconsin, where I used to

live. Wow. When I was a TV reporter, so I'm very familiar with the citation. And then they

they also built suburban said anyway, if they're the Japanese specific to came in with this very

clever plan, they looked not five years ahead, but you know, 50 years ahead. And the plan was

we're going to build high quality, reliable, long lasting vehicles. And I think they're

living off that. And I think at some point over the last 10 years, they have kind of switched

to becoming more let's let's call it, let's say publicly traded profit profit oriented. Yeah.

More quantity than necessarily it's hard to keep that kind of quality up when you're building

274,000 Tacomas. Yeah. And so it's it's it's not quite where it used to be.

But they're still doing very well. So kudos to you, Toyota. Yeah. And time will tell. I mean,

I know it's a cliche, but you know, when we look back two to three to four years from now,

we're going to look back at some of these trucks and see, see what's happening.

So let me ask you this question before we get to the number on the Ford Ranger has the Ford

Ranger cannibalized sales of the F 150. I don't think so. And that's the excuse the Ford gave

when they got rid of it. Exactly. And I think that was a mistake because 25 years ago, the Ford

Ranger was the best selling small truck in the country. And you got rid of it. And then you had

to bring it back. And now, you know, it's clinging on to third place. Yeah, it's really clinging

on at 71 approximately 71,000 Rangers were sold. But by the way, that was a big improvement from

where it was in 24, because they had, for some reason, struggled building Rangers, right? The

Rangers currently built at the same factory as the Ford Bronco, the four door, the big Broncos.

And something was going on there. We're not building a lot of Rangers. And they are now

building more and they're selling more. Let me ask you this question, Andre, from a truck point of

view, maybe from a yeah, from a truck point of view or an SUV point of view. So I was listening

to this podcast this week. It's a British podcast. Okay. It's called the intercooler. And they did

a story about what's happening with Ford in the UK. Ford now has four vehicles for four vehicles

that are badge engineered. So once upon a time in the UK, Ford was almost as American, or as

British as bangers and mash. Exactly. Yeah. You know, somehow that company became ingrained into

the British culture in more than just, you know, a way that a non domestic car company could it

became like it became almost like it's it's their own. It's not an American company, but it's a

British car company. Like you said, bangers and mash. There was also like the World Rally cars.

Yes. And British people really gravitated for one, you know, I mean, they did really well.

But now they're selling four cars in the UK or in Europe that are badge engineers. So they're

selling two that are ID buzzes. I want to say the Puma or the Brits a Puma. And I want to say

the Explorer. I think that's also an ID buzz underneath. And then there are two that are

Renault's the Fiat. I think you're bringing back the Fiesta or the Focus and one more,

both all electric. But but the point that this podcast was making is why are you not only badge

engineering these cars, but why are you paying your competitors to build your cars, which is

what they're doing? And then the bigger the bigger point they made is that at least in the UK,

Ford no longer has cars really for the cheapest, I guess they said, Ford in the UK, and they used

to build the super inexpensive, affordable cars like the fiestas, right? Yeah, this is Mondeo's

and more that but the cheapest Ford you can buy in the UK now is 26,000 pounds, which I think

translates to close to like 28,000, 29,000 USD. And they're saying that that Ford is kind of

given up on the middle, right? They have the GTD. They have these expensive vehicles,

maybe Raptors. Yeah, and then they they they they don't have anything that kind of lives,

you know, where most people are, which is weird, because they said one of the things Ford was

able to do, and very few car companies will do this, is they could sell everything from a Fiesta

to a GTD, which is a big, you know, that's a that's a big check. That's a huge gap that you're

selling to right? You're selling to the ultra wealthy, because a GTD realistically starts at

400,000. And yet you're also selling to the $20,000 or they had a three three cylinder,

remember they had that little three cylinder Fiesta. We owned one. Yeah, with 100 horsepower.

That's great. No, we had the Fiesta ST. Yes, there was a little three cylinder. Yes,

not the sporty one. They had 100 or the basic one, the base one. Yeah. And I wonder if that's

kind of happening in America too, if they've kind of given up on the middle. So I can answer the

question, why is the some of their electric cars built by VW? Yeah, I can answer that question.

Because Ford and VW made a deal a couple years back, where VW said, we need a pickup truck. And

Ford said, we'll build you an Amarok based on the Ranger. And VW said, Okay, thank you. And Ford

said, How about you build us a couple of electric cars? So it kind of was a trade. I don't know. I

don't know why Ford is working with Renault or somebody else. I can't explain. I can't explain

that. But but there's something going on there. Okay, that's a good explanation, which kind of

makes sense, because Ford really knows pickup trucks. And VW at the time, you know, was working on

electric. Siddhans are still selling. The America Ford left that. They left it a long time ago.

They've become either an SUV or a truck company. But outside of the F 150, which of course, you

can't just put that aside, right? They sell, we'll get to that in a second. But they sell hundreds of

thousands of those almost, you know, we're approaching like a million a year now. It's kind

of crazy. But what, you know, what what is in that middle segment that Ford sells here? It's

not crazy expensive, right? They got rid of the edge. Well, they got the Broncosport.

The Broncosport. Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit more affordable than some.

But but they used to do like, the escape is not doing well. Yeah, the escape is going.

They used to do the Maverick at 19, which is gone. Now it's 27. Yeah, they did the lightening at 39.

And then it went up to discontinued up to 70 something. And then it's gone. Anyway,

let's let's leave that for the folks that they are cooler to debate. Let's keep going. There's

a comment or a couple of comments from nothing to see here. So thank you for joining as well.

So one comment is the Canyon 84x. They really want it, but it's too expensive. 57. Okay,

that's a fair comment. I mean, you do get triple lockers, right? So you do have a lot of afford

capability. And also, it says we always see this, you know, people complain about price,

but the trucks that are left over dealer lots are always base models. So either dealers are

really good at upselling or people don't want the people just don't want a basic truck. They want

a heated seat. They want this is fleet sales. They want more stuff in their vehicles. We're

running out of time. We better go back to let's go for two hours today. Okay, all right, we can't

because we got to do the car podcast next. Let's keep going, Cole. So we're at the Ranger,

which was selling at 71,000. And then next is so far, everybody's been up until the Frontier.

Frontier was down year over year to 65,000. So they're in fourth place. So they're down 4.3

whereas Rangers up 56%, 53%. Yeah, yeah. So Frontier, maybe it's aging a little bit. You know,

I know they gave it a new grill. You drove the new R version of the Frontier pointing.

It didn't. They didn't give it any more power. Roush. It's Roush. Roush. That's what they do for

Ford. They give things turbos and superchargers and they didn't do any of that for the Frontier.

No, something as interesting as happening with the Gladiator, right? We talked about previously

that the Gladiator was losing sales. They were struggling. They were 35% at 56,790 units. Yes.

So I think what happened was maybe a lot more incentives came in on the Jeep.

They got too expensive. They got too expensive. I remember I drove the

Mohawk a couple of years ago at the Easter Jeeps. It was $74,000. Oh, please don't say that. Yes,

that's a lot. That's a lot. Yes. And it's missing a locker. I know. Yeah. So that made no sense.

So I think they made it more, make more sense. They're selling a lot more Jeeps.

Honda is still doing really well. Look at this. 48,000 Ridgelines were sold.

So they're still up about 6%. We could break the news here.

We're getting a long-term Ridgeline. We're replacing our long-term Passport.

Yes. Trail Sport with Ridgeline Trail Sport. It's coming next week, Andre.

Wait, already next week? Yeah, Tommy and Kays are driving. Well, actually,

they're towing it back from California. So we're going to have a Ridgeline for three months.

I can't wait. I'm super excited. And we just bought one. So we have an old one, first gen,

and we have a new one. Yes. So that's going to be a huge comparison. I can't wait for that.

By the way, the reason why they're towing, it's not because anything is wrong. It's because

we're delivering a vehicle there on a trailer. So we need to bring the vehicle back. Yeah, we're

bringing back this talent for a year. So we're bringing back the talent as a side-by-side in

case you're unfamiliar with it. So we're bringing that back and we're taking the

occasion to bring back Ridgeline. Yes. But Roman, the big news here as we wrap up this section is

let's ask the Patriots a question. What? All right, we've been pondering this at the office,

guys. So this is a question and we'll get to the answers. So, you know, every year we buy new

trucks and then sell new trucks. And this year, you know, we're going to buy new trucks and

sell new trucks. So we've got basically three trucks that will probably be selling this year.

So the Canyon AT-4X is going to go. And I'm thinking about buying that from the company

because I love that truck so much. Our Ford F-150 tremor is going to go. Yes. And probably Gigi's

going to go with our big old military truck. We're kind of done with them, unfortunately,

but that's how the YouTube world works. And so people in the office are excited either by the TRX,

the new old TRX with 770 horsepower or the new diesel power wagon. So the question is,

should we trade any of those in either a new old TRX or a power wagon with the diesel?

Which would you guys prefer us to have for review or wait for something else?

Ram, Ram, Rev, Range Extended Electric Truck, or on the flip side, General Motors is supposed

to be refreshing their entire Silverado lineup. So we still don't know what's happening with that.

So if you're listening to this or watching and listening to the comments below,

what's next? Or if you're alive with us, let us know now so that we know which you'd prefer.

Would you rather see the Ram TRX or the power wagon? Bryce just voted here in the live chat

for the power wagon. Nothing to see here votes for the power wagon. So so far,

people are voting for the power wagon. At least one. Two people. Two. Power wagon.

Power wagon don't care, Andre. We can make some t-shirts. That's right. All right. Let's go to

full size. Okay. But before we do, Roman, I wanted to make a point. Go back to midsize.

Quick. Yeah, Dave says we need the ERAV and the power wagon.

Well, if we sell three trucks, we might be able to swing. We might be able to afford a TRX,

but the way the dealers work. Roman, I wanted to make a point that a lot more people bought a

midsize truck than ever before because they went up 24% altogether to 660,000 mid-sizers.

So people appreciate smaller vehicles right there. Or less expensive. Less expensive.

Smaller vehicle. It could be because it's cheaper. Dude, I can't park my tundra in my garage at home.

That's the problem. The tundra is too big. Yeah, that's the problem. That's why people buy smaller

vehicles as well. Okay, let's move on to full size because Ford and General Motors are in a big fight.

You know what your wife would love? I have a suggestion for you. What? You sell the,

you sell your tundra. I want to sell my tundra. And then you buy the

ridgeline that Jeff only has bought, the 2008 with 298,000 miles on it. That thing is a peach.

You know what? I drove it yesterday and I fell in love with the old ridgeline.

I'm having case bring it down from the ranch. I'm going to be dealing it now. It's a peach.

Okay, I put it. So this is a preview. I put that ridgeline on a lift and I crawled over every inch

of it. What's it look like underneath? Really nice. Is it? Yeah, somebody loved that thing.

And you found out that actually somebody changed the timing belt. The timing belt was changed

20,000 miles ago. Yeah, because if that goes, yeah. So that, you know, Honda used to build,

we talked about the yesteryear, Honda built some really nice, reliable stuff. You gotta be quick

because Tommy's dying it up too. But Roman, unfortunately, I need to tow a 6,000 pound boat.

It only tows 5,000. So that's not quite working for me. So I'll have to talk to my wife about this.

Get a smaller boat. Yes. Why is my boat so heavy? Yeah, you need a smaller boat.

That's really our first world problem. Can you water ski behind a jet ski?

Technically, yes. The answer is yes. I've never seen it happen, though. People do it?

Yes. Really? Okay. I learned something new today. It's an issue because you know when you make

slalom, you know, when you make a zigzag with your skis, you can actually pull the jet ski to

the side because it's so small. So it's like the tail wagging the dog. Literally tail wagging you.

Literally. All right, let's see the number one selling truck in America is...

Well, how do you want to work it? Because do you want to work combined general motors together?

Combine them. Yes, combine them. Because a lot of viewers said don't combine them. But I say

combine them. Why wouldn't you combine them? Well, because it's owned by one company. Somebody

said that a person who buys a Sierra is not the same person who buys a Silverado. The money goes

in the same place. It goes to GM. Okay. So when combined GMC and Chevy, they are still number one

if you combine them. 936,000 trucks. I'll tell you why you combine them because Ford combines all

the F-Series. And the person that buys an F-150 is certainly not the same person who buys an

F-450. Yeah, duly. Yeah, no, no. Yeah. So if Ford's combining it, let GM combine it. But it's good

for the goose, Andre. It's good for the gander. It's good for Ford. It's good for GM. Okay. So in

this calculation, so GM combined is still number one by a huge margin actually. We're talking about

specifically full size trucks and heavy duties here. Ford F-Series is in second place, also growing

year over year, 828,000 trucks. Ford sold. So GM went up 7.1%. Ford went up 8.3% year over year.

But something happened to Ford F-Series in the fourth quarter of last year. Down three. It's

yes. Yes. Because they were selling what like 25,000 a year or something?

Yeah, well, the lightning went down 6,000 units last quarter. And that's probably what it went down

to. So you nailed it. So lightning. But but why not growing the others? F-150 needs to grow. Super

duty. Anyways, for all you Chevy and Ram fans, let's break those out. So the Silverado 580,000

in 2025 versus 549 up 5.5%. And the Ram 1500 up 6.9% from 374 to 373. That's not 6.9%.

No, because you're looking in the wrong column. It's up 0.3. So so Ram struggled a lot. Yeah.

Everybody else was up at least. Yeah. So I think I know what's happening here. What's happening?

It's the same Jeep problem. Remember, Rams were overpriced. Their heavy duty trucks were out of

reach for most people. Just crazy prices on a lot of their trucks. And now they're making it more

in line. That's why in fourth quarter, they grew. So and plus the TRX coming back, there's more

excitement. The Hemi is back, the 57. So I think Ram is going to improve from now on.

All right. And then Sierra, let's break it down. Just below Ram, actually,

356,000. So Sierra grew 9.7% from 324. Yeah. So and then Toyota coming down, down, down 12.7.

Tundra is down. They sold a lot. So so maybe the engine replacements did have an impact on

Tundra sales because Tacoma is through the roof and yet Tundra is down. Or it could be styling.

I'm not sure I'm in love with the styling of the Tundra. But but styling, yes, it's a consideration,

but I don't know if it's a number one consideration. When I talk to people, that's what I hear.

Well, that's what Michael told me. He said, I don't like the look of the expedition. I just

keep talking to people and they don't like the look of the Tundra. I don't mind it,

but I'm wondering if that could play a role. I'm just that's just anecdotal when I'm hearing

from people. By the way, I got stopped flying back yesterday from the airport at TSA. And the

recognized me and he said he was a huge fan. And I said, what do you drive? He said he drives a

what was it? Gosh darn it. I think it was a no is a Ford. It was a Super Duty F 450. Oh my gosh.

Yeah, single reel. So like 350 single. Maybe it was a 350. Yeah, because I don't make a 450

single. Yeah, that'd be that'd be a that'd be a Dooley. So I think it was and I said, I said,

well, what do you tow with that? And he said he doesn't tow anything. He said he used to tow a

Camper and now he doesn't tow anything. That's a big truck to just people do that. People do that.

Yeah, I think people daily humongous vehicles. I think a lot more people that you know, when people

said that the reason I bring that up is people said that that's not the same buyer. And if you

don't think that like the same buyer is the guy who, you know, buys an F 150 versus the guy or gal

who buys a 250 or 350 or 450, you might be mistaken. I think I think people like actually

graduate up from an F 150 to a 250 or 350 or 450. It's actually it's actually they might graduate

down when they age out because I hear that a lot too. When people get older, they have had like,

you know, the well, you have to climb up into a truck and a lot of older people don't want to

climb up. Yeah, but I don't think that I think that is the same buyer. This guy is just dailying

a 350. Was this in Denver? This was in No, this is in Fort Myers. Oh, in Florida. Well,

they don't have any turns there. It doesn't matter. It just goes straight. Also in Colorado,

we don't have on the Eastern Plains, we don't have any turns they have turns they have 90 degree

turns. So they have no curves. It's just straight 90 degree turn straight 90 degree turn straight.

I understood what you meant. Okay, because it's big places, you want to have a big vehicle to

take your long distance. Right. And there's your lightning is next down 18%. Yeah, and it's down

even more in the fourth quarter. So the lightning was and it's now discontinued until we wait for

the next one. Cyber truck is down 56%. According to some data, this is based on some of the AI

searching that I did. Hummer EV on the other hand is up Roman. So GM is still doing pretty well

with their electric trucks, even though they're not selling a lot of numbers, they're growing

in their numbers. And then it was up 12.8%. And they sold SUVs and trucks EV 15,788. And the

Titan is down 86%. Well, they don't build anymore. I know. So they discontinued the Titan what more

than a year ago, they still sold the Titans. Yeah, they sold what how many 2000 2000 last year

was still sitting around in lots. They were sitting around. Okay. All right. And then it's

interesting, the Silverado EV, which I think is like the most useful of all the EV trucks,

because it's got the biggest battery, everybody's complaining about the fact that trucks don't have

enough range, yada, yada, yada, they don't tow far enough. And yet the Silverado does. And yet

it's way at the bottom here, the Sierra EVs. Well, yeah, but it's still growing sales, but they did

only sell 11,000 Silverado EVs and almost 8,000 Sierra EVs. So they're still there. They're no

news from GM. But it's a 51%. Yeah, they're still growing their sales. So all together,

the full size market sold 2.3 million, both Hafton and heavy duty, full size trucks,

which is a lot of vehicles. So it's more than one out of 10, maybe like 1.8 out of 10 vehicles

sold in them. No, sorry. Yeah, one, one one out of eight. No, one out of 1.8 out of 10 is a truck

in America because we sold what 16 million units or so. So this is yeah, this is one eighth of that.

Yeah, so yeah, yeah, one out of eight are our trucks. Yeah, which is a big, big chunk. Yeah,

I'm sure if you go to Europe, it'd be like, you know, it'd be less than a single digit. Yeah,

there's not a lot of big pickup trucks. A lot of them are small markets. And last category,

do we have HD trucks? Well, this was part of this. Okay, yeah, this was rolled in. Yeah. So we can't

break out HD. Not easily. So GM and Ram started breaking out HDs. But Ford doesn't. Ford publishes

data. They're sneaky. Yeah, they're sneaky, Andre. Ford publishes how many they build,

not how many they sell. So this is a whole different story. And you can't, you can't,

that's useless. No, because they can build a truck today. But it will be sold three months

from now. Or like two years or two years from now. If you're talking about Titan, so those

Titans were built like two years ago. Do you know that? I know. Yes. Yes. I wonder if they're

discounted. I'm sure you think I'm sure you think could you go grab it like a Titan because it's a

good truck. Actually, it's just the thing about Nissan's and I hate to say this, but it's all

the trucks. No, no, no problem in terms of solidity, but they're always like a generation behind.

Like the Frontier. Frontier is like one generation behind the Titan was one generation

behind. They're always playing catch up. They're never like on generation or beyond that. They're

always kind of back one and you know that because the Frontier has the six cylinder

whereas everybody else has gone to a four cylinder turbo and you would think that everybody

wants six cylinders that the Titan would be not the Titan. Yeah, the Titan is a V8 is a V8.

And they could have brought it back. Yeah, and they but no, my point was that with everybody

says they want they don't want the four cylinder and yet the Frontier is down in the mid size

category and it doesn't have a four cylinder. Yeah, it's a headscratcher. It is a headscratcher.

Maybe it is it is aging. That's why I look at the comments. See if anybody else voted for either

a TRX or a power wagon. Yeah, let's see what people have to say. And the people say,

okay, power wagon, power wagon with the diesels. Tad said, let's see who else. Oh, Dave said power

wagon. Anything else, Don? I'm kind of with that. Andre's next truck should be an F250.

That's what Don says. You don't want to you don't want a big, big, bigger truck, do you?

You want a smaller truck? You want a smaller truck? I want an affordable truck. Okay, more than a big

Titan one. Hey.

Better yet, 2008 Ridgeline. It doesn't. Yes, it's a small truck, affordable truck than that.

The only reason. Actually, I don't want to sell that truck. I really like that truck. Oh, the Honda?

Yeah. Yeah, it's really useful. It's got a decent that would you like about it when you when you

drove it? I so I liked actually I expected the steering to be loose and the suspension to bank.

It's actually solid. Let's keep in mind, guys, we bought this at our donated car auction. So we

kind of bought it site unseen, basically, which is kind of scary, and you don't get to drive it.

And only thing you know is are there any lights on it? Does it run? You could start the engine,

you can start the engine, but you don't know anything else. And so we paid just over 4,300 for

2008 Ridgeline with 95,000. Yeah, 195. Yeah, which is a great deal, apparently, because a lot of

people are saying it's crazy. And so I think I think that's one of those trucks that came out

just a little too early, right? It's people the rub on that truck is it's the truck everybody

want everybody needs but nobody wants even the 36,000 people if I remember right did buy it.

Yeah. So there's a few comments here as we wrap up. First of all, people are saying that

power wagon is getting a lot of votes. First of all, and then they said they enjoyed watching

our previous power wagon videos, somebody wants to pre order a power wagon t shirt.

Power wagon don't care. Yes. Actually, we had that t shirt years ago. We did. We should bring

it back. Yes. So we have a design for classic tfo classic t shirt. Yeah.

And there's a comment here about the Hummer EV. The only reason the Hummer EV number went up is

because GM dealerships are giving them away. Well, oh, his friend got 25,000 off on the brand new.

Wow. That's a huge chunk of change. Real things were selling when they were new for like 50,000

over sticker. They were like 170,000. I know when they first came out. Yes. So your friend,

let's say it's 125. Let's just round it up. So you got it for just around 100. That's still a lot,

dude. It's a lot of money, no matter what. But yeah, there could be a lot of incentives on them.

I also heard the opposite. Somebody recently traded in a Hummer EV and lost a lot of money,

obviously, because of some of these incentives are driving the used price down on them.

Well, I think we have wasted another hour of your time. What? Oh, this was fun. Was it fun? Okay,

good. I mean, fun. Cole, did you have fun? Our producer Cole? Cole's giving us a thumbs up.

Cole said two thumbs up. And we got it. We got to take a little bit of a break before we go

to the car podcast. And we're trying something new over at the car podcast. And this is,

this is just a proof of concept. We're going to have our patrons be able to call in. What? Yeah,

they're going to be able to call in and actually talk to us directly and ask us questions.

Just randomly. This may be a complete and utter shambles, Andre. Cole, right? It's not going to

be a complete and utter shambles. No, we have amazing people listening to us. So if you come

back in 35 minutes, we're going to do our very first. And it's me and Andre because Tommy and

Case are working in the snow. They're working. We got snow. And so whenever there's snow, we just go

out there and go off road because that's what you do in the snow. That's fun. So we're going to try

to do a call in show where we're going to have you call in and ask us questions directly if you

want. If you want to have a nice chat with us. And we'll try to answer your questions because I

know listening to the other podcast, the thing that's very popular is people asking questions.

But the problem is whenever you type the question, you never get the nuance of what people are asking.

Or the full context. Because there's all these questions that you want to follow up with. Well,

I'm looking for a truck that's $35,000. And I need it to tow 5,000 pounds. And it has to be yellow.

And then you're like, okay, then you're like, but do you need room for your family? You know,

two doors or four doors? Yeah, how much payload do you need? So this will give people the option

to actually have a conversation and hopefully give you answers from our vast amount of trucking

experience, Andre or carring experience. In this case, your car experience. Yeah,

I just drove a Maserati for a week. We can talk about that. I want to hear about this. Yes,

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