Dane Donovan dives into essential advice for buying used vehicles, emphasizing the importance of thorough inspections to avoid costly surprises. He shares a cautionary tale about a certified pre-owned Lexus that had hidden damage, highlighting the need for buyers to be vigilant. Listeners call in with various car-related questions, including oil consumption issues and the pros and cons of aftermarket warranties. Dane stresses the value of factory warranties and the risks associated with aftermarket options, while also discussing maintenance tips and the significance of regular inspections.
In this episode of the car show, Dane shares his expertise on used car inspections and the importance of getting a mechanic's opinion before making a purchase. He shares a personal story about a customer who bought a certified pre-owned Lexus with low miles, only to discover hidden damage. He emphasizes the need to inspect a used vehicle thoroughly, especially when buying from out-of-state. He also discusses the pros and cons of buying an extended factory warranty and warns against after-market warranties. Dane takes calls from listeners, answering questions on oil consumption, rust protection, and brake fluid maintenance.
"...he was talking about used car inspections and I tell you what, it's something that I feel like in the industry most people don't think about or talk about. But man, if you are in the market to buy a used vehicle..."
A used car inspection is when a mechanic checks a second-hand car to see if it's in good shape. It's important to do this before buying to avoid problems later.
A used car inspection is a thorough examination of a pre-owned vehicle to assess its condition and identify any potential issues before purchase. This process can help buyers avoid costly repairs and ensure they are making a sound investment.
"...by your mechanic, a mechanic or by me, anybody that needs to put, somebody..."
A mechanic is someone who fixes cars and makes sure they work properly. If you're buying a used car, it's a good idea to have a mechanic check it out first.
A mechanic is a trained professional who repairs and maintains vehicles. They can diagnose issues, perform routine maintenance, and conduct inspections to ensure a vehicle is safe and operational.
"A classic, classic example, I had a young lady that was buying a vehicle that was a pre-owned certified, pre-owned certified, right?"
A pre-owned certified car is a used car that has been checked and approved by the dealer. It usually comes with a warranty, so you know it's in good shape.
A pre-owned certified vehicle is a used car that has undergone a thorough inspection and meets specific criteria set by the manufacturer or dealer, often including a limited warranty. This certification can provide buyers with more confidence in the vehicle's condition and reliability.
"...wanted to have it inspected anyways. We looked at it and I did inspect it and sure enough, I noticed that a lot of the components in the front end weren't factory..."
A pre-purchase inspection is when a mechanic checks a car before you buy it to make sure there are no problems. It's a good way to avoid buying a car that might need expensive repairs.
A pre-purchase inspection (PPI) is a thorough examination of a vehicle by a qualified mechanic before buying it. This process helps identify any hidden issues or damage that may not be apparent during a casual inspection.
"...come to find out, it was wrecked at the dealership. It was wrecked the whole front end..."
A wrecked car is one that has been in a bad accident and has damage. It usually means the car needs a lot of repairs to be safe to drive again.
A wrecked vehicle is one that has been involved in a significant accident, resulting in damage that often requires extensive repairs. This term indicates that the car may have structural or safety issues due to the collision.
"...the car facts showed no accident report. Well, it doesn't, that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't an accident."
Carfax is a company that gives you a report on a car's history. This report can tell you if the car has been in any accidents or if it has any other issues. It's helpful when you're thinking about buying a used car.
Carfax is a service that provides vehicle history reports, detailing information such as accidents, title status, and service records. It's commonly used by buyers to assess the condition and history of a pre-owned vehicle before making a purchase.
"The other thing that I want to talk about real quick too is if you're buying a new vehicle, there is an option to buy it like an extended factory warranty. If you have the ability to, in the money to do it, buy it."
An extended factory warranty is like insurance for your car that helps pay for repairs after the regular warranty ends. It's a good idea if you want to avoid high repair bills later on.
An extended factory warranty is a service contract that covers repairs and maintenance for a vehicle beyond the standard warranty period provided by the manufacturer. It can help protect against unexpected repair costs, especially for new vehicles that may have expensive components.
"If you're buying a used vehicle with a aftermarket warranty, listen to this, factory warranty or aftermarket warranty, if you're buying a used vehicle with a aftermarket warranty, do not buy it."
An aftermarket warranty is a type of insurance for your car that helps pay for repairs after the original warranty from the manufacturer runs out. However, they can be tricky and not always worth the money.
An aftermarket warranty is a service contract that covers repairs and maintenance for a vehicle after the manufacturer's warranty expires. These warranties are often sold by third-party companies and can vary significantly in coverage and reliability.
"I'm going to talk to you about the oil usage problem with high-mildest vehicles."
Oil usage problem means that a car is using more oil than it should, which can be a sign of engine trouble. This is especially common in older cars that have been driven a lot.
The oil usage problem refers to excessive oil consumption in vehicles, which can lead to engine issues and increased maintenance costs. This is often a concern in high-mileage vehicles, where wear and tear can cause oil leaks or burning.
5W-20 oil is a specific kind of oil used in engines. The numbers tell you how thick the oil is when it's cold and when it's hot, which helps the engine run smoothly.
5W-20 oil is a type of motor oil that has a viscosity rating of 5 in cold temperatures and 20 at high temperatures, providing good engine protection and fuel efficiency.
"...so I got about a quart of 5W-30 and put in it and it slowed it down."
5W-30 oil is similar to 5W-20 but a bit thicker when the engine is hot. It helps keep the engine running well, especially in warmer weather or older cars.
5W-30 oil is another type of motor oil with a viscosity rating of 5 when cold and 30 when hot, providing slightly thicker protection compared to 5W-20, which can be beneficial in warmer climates or for older engines.
"So I put a cloud of STP and then don't use oil anymore. So you put, so the STP, was it just, was it an additive or was it actual STP oil or?"
STP is a brand that makes products to help engines run better. They have oils and additives that can help reduce engine wear and oil usage.
STP is a brand known for producing oil additives and motor oils that help improve engine performance and reduce wear. Their products are commonly used to enhance lubrication and reduce oil consumption in engines.
Engine rings are parts inside the engine that help keep the air and fuel in while preventing oil from getting in. If they wear out, the engine can use more oil and not work as well.
Engine rings, or piston rings, are components that seal the combustion chamber in an engine. They help maintain compression and control oil consumption. Worn rings can lead to increased oil usage and reduced engine efficiency.
"...my wife's 07 F-250 that I bought out eight, 10 years ago, found a really good deal on it..."
The Ford F-250 is a strong pickup truck that can carry heavy loads and is often used for work. It's part of a popular series of trucks made by Ford.
The Ford F-250 is a heavy-duty pickup truck known for its towing capacity and durability. It's part of the F-series, which is one of the best-selling vehicle lineups in the United States.
"6.0s were notorious for popping the head studs. So the shop that had it, they had that, in order to change the head studs..."
Head studs are parts that hold the top part of the engine in place. If they break, it can cause big problems for the engine.
Head studs are fasteners that secure the cylinder head to the engine block. In the context of the 6.0 engine, they are known to fail, leading to serious engine problems.
"the bearings and the turbo were on their way out. Took it back to the place where we were buying it from"
A turbo is a part that helps the engine produce more power by forcing in extra air. If it has problems, it can make the car run poorly and be expensive to fix.
A turbo, or turbocharger, is a device that forces more air into the engine's combustion chamber, allowing for more fuel to be burned and increasing power output. However, if the bearings in the turbo are failing, it can lead to performance issues and costly repairs.
"I turned it down at the dealership, but like Z Bart's been around here forever, so forth. I know these things, these vehicles today are better protected that,..."
Ziebart is a company that helps protect cars from rust and damage. They provide special treatments to keep vehicles looking good and lasting longer, especially in places where there's a lot of rain or snow.
Ziebart is a company specializing in automotive rust protection and detailing services. They offer treatments that help prevent rust and corrosion on vehicles, which is especially important in areas with harsh weather conditions.
"...the older forerunners and the older tundras and to come was, man, I tell you what, I've seen..."
The Toyota Tundra is a big truck that's built to last. Older versions can rust if they aren't taken care of, especially if water gets trapped.
The Toyota Tundra is a full-size pickup truck known for its durability and capability. Like the 4Runner, older models may also suffer from rust issues if not properly maintained.
"So it's really, that's really key is keeping a car in a garage. That's how you're going to get the longevity out of a vehicle."
A 'garage queen' is a car that doesn't get driven much and is kept in a garage to stay in good shape. It's protected from things like rain and snow that can cause damage.
A 'garage queen' refers to a vehicle that is rarely driven and kept in pristine condition, often stored in a garage to avoid wear and exposure to the elements. This term highlights the importance of protecting a car from rust and deterioration.
"...what about, um, do you have an opinion on, you know, they got paint protection and different types of that, you know, where they put a coating on ceramic coating?"
Ceramic coating is a special liquid that you can put on your car's paint to protect it. It helps keep the car looking nice by preventing dirt and scratches from damaging the paint.
Ceramic coating is a liquid polymer applied to the exterior of a vehicle, creating a protective layer that bonds with the paint. This coating helps protect against environmental contaminants, UV rays, and minor scratches, making it easier to clean and maintain the vehicle's appearance.
"But I would do, I would recommend that the Z-Bart, I just, again, I'm, you know,"
Z-Bart is a company that helps protect cars from rust and damage. They have special coatings that can keep your car looking good for longer.
Z-Bart is a company known for its automotive protective coatings and rustproofing services. They offer various products to help protect vehicles from environmental damage and corrosion.
"...Outie, mini, BMW, Volkswagen, Ackers, and Mercedes."
BMW is a car company from Germany that makes luxury cars known for being fun to drive.
BMW is a German automotive brand known for its luxury vehicles and performance-oriented cars. The brand is recognized for its engineering excellence and sporty driving dynamics.
"...Outie, mini, BMW, Volkswagen, Ackers, and Mercedes."
Volkswagen is a car company from Germany that makes many different types of cars, including popular models like the Golf and Jetta.
Volkswagen is a German automaker famous for producing a wide range of vehicles, including the iconic Beetle and the Golf. The brand focuses on practicality and efficiency.
"...Outie, mini, BMW, Volkswagen, Ackers, and Mercedes."
Mercedes is a car company from Germany that makes luxury cars, known for their comfort and advanced features.
Mercedes-Benz is a German luxury automotive brand known for its high-quality vehicles, advanced technology, and performance. The brand is synonymous with luxury and innovation.
"Well, you and I spoke a couple of weeks ago about my 2020 Pathfinder. About the alternator."
The 2020 Nissan Pathfinder is a family SUV that can carry many passengers and has a strong engine. It's designed for comfort and can handle some rough terrain.
The 2020 Nissan Pathfinder is a midsize SUV that offers a spacious interior, advanced safety features, and a V6 engine. It's known for its family-friendly design and off-road capabilities.
The alternator is a part of the car that helps keep the battery charged and powers things like the lights and radio when the engine is running. Without it, your car's electrical systems wouldn't work properly.
The alternator is a crucial component in a vehicle's electrical system, responsible for charging the battery and powering the electrical systems while the engine is running. It converts mechanical energy from the engine into electrical energy.
"...and I'll tell you the insurance company with fidelity warranty..."
Fidelity Warranty is a company that sells extra insurance for car repairs. If something breaks after your regular warranty ends, they can help pay for it.
Fidelity Warranty is a company that offers extended warranties and service contracts for vehicles. They provide coverage options that can help with repair costs, depending on the terms of the warranty purchased.
"And you're like, labor rates, $100? Well, we only pay $50 an hour, right?"
Labor rate is how much a mechanic charges for their work on your car. It can be different at different shops, so it's good to ask before getting repairs done.
Labor rate refers to the cost charged by a mechanic or repair shop for their time spent working on a vehicle. This rate can vary significantly depending on the shop's location and expertise.
"...they had my car for a week. So they gave me a courtesy car. So I had one of these little, the kicks."
The Nissan Kicks is a small SUV that's easy to drive and park, perfect for city life. It has a roomy interior and good fuel economy, which makes it a smart choice for many drivers.
The Nissan Kicks is a subcompact crossover SUV that offers a blend of practicality and efficiency, making it a popular choice for urban driving. It features a spacious interior and modern technology, appealing to those looking for a versatile vehicle.
"...needed a compressor, right? And so if you read the fine details, it says AC compressors covered, right?"
The AC compressor helps your car's air conditioning work by pushing the refrigerant around the system. If it breaks, your AC won't cool properly.
An AC compressor is a critical component of a vehicle's air conditioning system. It compresses the refrigerant and circulates it through the system, allowing the AC to cool the air inside the car.
"Let me ask you another question about brake fluids. Because I have a young telephone. So I was told because when they checked my car, it was like you got a little coloring going on your brake fluid. I guess it's copper."
Brake fluid helps your car stop when you press the brake pedal. If it gets dirty or changes color, it might not work properly, which can be dangerous.
Brake fluid is a hydraulic fluid used in brake systems to transfer force from the brake pedal to the brake components. It is important for the fluid to maintain its properties, as contaminated or degraded fluid can lead to brake failure.
"I picked up a 94 Chevy truck trying to restore it. And it's been sitting with gas in it for all many years."
A 1994 Chevy truck is a pickup truck made by Chevrolet. Many people like to restore these older trucks because they are strong and have a classic look.
The 1994 Chevy truck refers to a model from Chevrolet, which is known for its durable and reliable trucks. These vehicles are often sought after for restoration projects due to their robust build and classic design.
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That's a new one for me, so I didn't know when my intro was, but hey, listen, you are
listening to the car show on 55 SkyRizzy.
I'm Dane Donovan.
Taking all of your car questions, the number we call 513-749-5500, that number again, 513-749-5500.
As I usually do, it's good to be back.
I want to be here every Saturday.
I really do.
It's just with work and three boys all in sports, man, it's just really hard to always
get here.
But I'm here again most Saturdays to take all of your car questions, again, the number
we call 513-749-5500.
It's a gorgeous Saturday afternoon and you really can't get any better than this.
Not too hot, not too humid, right?
And Cincinnati, if you don't like the weather, wait 10 minutes and it won't change.
But yeah, man, it's a great Saturday and again, happy to be back.
And again, here every Saturday to take all of your car questions.
So, I do want to encourage anybody to call as far as whatever car question you may have
or car maintenance issue or again, buying a newer used one.
I was actually, I was watching somebody I follow on social media and talking about cars
and whatnot and this guy, man, he was talking about used car inspections and I tell you
what, it's something that I feel like in the industry most people don't think about
or talk about.
But man, if you are in the market to buy a used vehicle and let me tell you with the
price of these cars nowadays, if you're buying a used vehicle, man, you really, really need
to get it inspected by your mechanic, a mechanic or by me, anybody that needs to put, somebody
needs to look at this vehicle, okay?
These cars have a lot of, you know, components that can break easily and can be very, very
expensive.
Okay?
Now, if you're like, well, Dan, you know, I'm looking at a car and it's coming from Florida
or Georgia or whatever, you know, you got to think about finding shop down there near
that place where it's coming from and get it inspected, find a reputable shop and wherever
it's coming from and get it inspected.
Now, we at Donovan's, we typically will, it depends on the, you know, depends on the
age, it depends on the mileage, of course, right?
So if you've got a car that's 20 years old and 200,000 miles, we're going to typically
charge you more simply because we're going to have to spend a lot more time, plus a car
that's one year old and it's 13,000 miles on it, right?
You need to be, and just because it's a newer vehicle with less miles does not mean it's
not a headache or doesn't mean that it's got problems, right?
Because a lot of times, you know, these cars can get wrecked and these cars can get damaged
and, you know, you can be buying somebody else's problems, right?
A classic, classic example, I had a young lady that was buying a vehicle that was a
pre-owned certified, pre-owned certified, right?
Lexus, right?
And so it was good, it was certified up to 100,000 miles.
Well, guess what?
I found out that we, she brought it in regardless, they had low miles.
I think they wanted $40,000 or $50,000 for this vehicle and it was low miles,
wanted to have it inspected anyways.
We looked at it and I did inspect it and sure enough, I noticed that a lot of the
components in the front end weren't factory, they weren't normal.
There, you could see there was a shift in some of the material, the bumper and stuff like that.
So come to find out, it was wrecked at the dealership.
It was wrecked the whole front end.
I think it, I think it was like $11,000 with the damage to the front end of this vehicle.
And they're selling this thing as a pre-owned certified vehicle and it wasn't.
And they did all kinds of damage.
It wasn't original, it had been wrecked and a lot of us sometimes will,
you know, we get complacent, right?
We say, oh, the car facts showed no accident report.
Well, it doesn't, that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't an accident.
Okay.
You know, point in case my vehicle, you know, if I wrecked my vehicle, right?
And or you wreck your vehicle and you've got a buddy that's going to fix it for you on the side
and doesn't run everything through car facts, it's not going to be on there.
So you got to be, you know, make sure, especially in today's vehicles,
if you're buying a used vehicle, it's imperative and it's important that you get it inspected.
I feel like we don't talk about this enough.
I feel like it's something that like, you know, because we get,
I get the phone call all the time.
Do you guys look at cars before you, before I buy, use one?
Absolutely.
And whether you bring it to Donovan's or you bring it to your, your mechanic,
or if you're, you know, listening from, you know, really anywhere,
anytime you're buying a used vehicle, you need to get it inspected by a reputable
mechanic.
The other thing that I want to talk about real quick too is if you're buying a new vehicle,
okay, there is an option to buy it like an extended factory warranty.
Okay.
That is okay.
If you're buying a new vehicle and you haven't, you're, they have an option for an extended
factory warranty.
If you have the ability to, in the, in the money to do it, buy it.
Okay.
It will save you money down the road, especially with these new cars.
If you're buying a used vehicle with a aftermarket warranty, listen to this, factory warranty or
aftermarket warranty, if you're buying a used vehicle with a aftermarket warranty,
do not buy it.
Do not buy it.
And now you can buy the car, but do not buy the aftermarket warranty.
They are not, it's, it's, in my opinion, criminal, what they do to people, they, they
leave you to believe that, hey, if anything breaks on this car, you're going to be covered.
And I've seen it time and time again, they, they run people through the ringers on these things
and you don't get your money back.
So again, if you're buying a new vehicle and they have an availability, if you have the
availability by a factory warranty, go ahead and if you can afford it, go ahead and do it.
Okay.
Cause it's a factory warranty, but if you're buying a used vehicle again, and it's an
aftermarket warranty, I don't care who it is.
I don't care what the name of the company is.
I don't care what they promise you, do not buy it.
Take that money that they want to charge you.
Let's just say the aftermarket warranties, I don't know, $5,000.
Take that money and put it in and invest it.
Okay.
I can assure you, you'll get way more for your money if you invest it than buy the
aftermarket warranty.
Cause everybody is duped to think that this is going to take care of you and everything
that breaks on this car is going to be fixed.
And I'm telling you, they don't, I see it time and time again.
And again, in my opinion, it's criminal, what they try, what they do to people.
And we don't even, we don't even work with any of those companies because they spent,
they waste so much time and money and your money really.
And they're a headache.
So please, if you're buying a used vehicle, do not buy an aftermarket warranty.
So.
All right.
Again, taking your phone calls and we'll call 513-749-5500.
Let's go to the phones.
We've got Jim.
Hey, Jim, welcome to the car show.
How can I help?
Thank you.
I finally got a hold of you.
Wow.
I'm going to talk to you about the oil usage problem with high-mildest vehicles.
Yeah.
My wife is a 2011 Toyota Rob4, a wonderful car.
I've got 187,000 miles on it and they recommend 5W20 oil.
So that's all.
And I babysit to death.
It's like, no.
And then it starts to use to the court.
Oh, my wife goes, she knows how to check your own cars and all that.
And she says it's at court low again.
I looked at, well, so I got about a court of 5W30 and put in it and it slowed it down.
Then it's still used oil.
So I put a cloud of STP and then don't use oil anymore.
It don't.
So rings are wore out.
What did you put in it?
STP.
So you put, so the STP, was it just, was it an additive or was it actual STP oil or?
It's STP.
It's second oil.
Okay.
All right.
Okay.
It used to be in a can that we had a zip top on it and that now it's in a plastic bottle.
But anyway, don't use oil anymore.
Really?
Really.
I mean, what's the, what is the oil that the STP, what's the, what is the viscosity of it?
It's real thick.
If you, you put it up, take a screwdriver and stick it in there and you cannot hold it.
You cannot hold that screwdriver with that stuff.
That's slick.
Wow.
I dragged, I dragged raised all my life.
And this one guy, he's still all the way around the country.
And he gets four and 500,000 miles out of it, an engine.
And I said, what do you do?
He said, well, every time I change oil, they sell it, but two cans of STP in it.
And it doesn't last for a long time.
And that's all I have to say.
Well, I will look into that.
Okay.
Well, thank you.
Pleasure to speak with you.
Thank you.
And I'll tell you what, I administrated those aftermarket warnings for years.
They do everything they can.
Man.
Everything.
They'll say, well, I didn't get a copy of this.
I didn't get to copy of that.
And they didn't beat me.
He got to see it.
Some places won't even mess with them.
I don't, I don't mess with them.
They're, they're a nightmare.
But they tell people they're bumper to bumper warning.
That's only a brand new car.
But they tell them that they think everything's free.
Oh, I know.
But I'll tell you what, it's a pleasure speaking to you.
All right.
And I, I know you.
Okay.
All right.
Thank you.
But yeah, we're getting a little bit of feedback there.
But yeah, so listen, I'm here to tell you,
and just like Jim was saying, two things, and this is a great,
and we talk about this all the time on the show is listen,
oil consumption is a very, very common problem on most of these vehicles.
And I just had a customer in not too long ago and he goes,
Hey, I'm going through a quarter oil every, every thousand miles.
And, and we're like, yeah, well, that's pretty common.
And you could just see the, the look on his face.
He's like, he just wasn't having it.
And he just was like, there's no way this car is burning oil.
I'm like, man, we do a lot of it.
That's, that's the other thing is it's burning oil.
And we talk about this all the time on the show.
But I wanted to talk again, you know, I was watching that gentleman on social media.
And I just, you know, I wanted to emphasize to you,
especially with the cost of these new, these used vehicles, right?
They're expensive, right?
It's the second most expensive, you know,
item you're going to have other than your house, right?
You want to make sure you take care of it.
So if you're buying, again, if you were, when you buy a house,
what do we do?
We get it inspected by somebody, right?
Same thing.
If you're buying a used vehicle, you need to get it inspected by a mechanic
to protect you because again, it can be, it'll save you a lot of money
and a lot of headache if you get it inspected.
So a lot of times we don't talk about it.
And I kind of want to emphasize on that today.
Is it something that should be done?
So all right.
The phones are lighting up.
I really do appreciate taking your phone calls.
The number to call 513-749-5500.
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Listen, the phones are lighting up.
I really do appreciate it.
Again, I was busy the past two weeks,
but I am back and should be here for quite some time.
So I really do appreciate it.
So again, the number to call, 513-749-5500.
Let's go back to the phones.
We've got Opie.
Hey, Opie, welcome to the show.
How can I help?
Welcome back, and I'm going to tell you right now,
enjoy them youngins while you can because they grew up too fast.
I know, man.
My daughter, I just had a grandbaby about six weeks ago.
So congratulations.
My daughter gave me a grandbaby, but two weeks ago,
I taught her how to drive.
Talking about the pre-purchased inspections,
my wife's 07F250 that I bought out eight, 10 years ago,
found a really good deal on it.
It was a truck out of Texas, low miles,
but it was all the way up by Cleveland.
We drove up there and I called the Ford dealer,
took it over to Ford dealer.
They charge me 75 bucks.
They went over this thing and now mind you, it's a 6.0,
which, you know, 6.0s were notorious for popping the head studs.
So the shop that had it, they had that,
in order to change the head studs,
you have to pull the cab and the doghouse off.
Yeah, you got to pull the whole lot.
They did the head stud, bullet proofed it,
did everything that Ford should have done to begin with.
Well, I took it over to this Ford dealer and they looked at it
and they said, the radiator's leaking.
And they said, that's a $2,500 job to put a radiator in this thing.
And they said, oh, by the way,
the bearings and the turbo were on their way out.
Took it back to the place where we were buying it from
and I gave them a report from the Ford dealer and I said,
you don't want to fix this or the deal's over with it.
And they said, well, you know what?
We can't sell it if we don't fix it.
They fixed it.
We still got it for the same price and down the road we went.
Yeah, that's a great, great point.
And I tell my customers this all the time,
what you do is when you're looking at a used vehicle
and you get it inspected and you're mechanic
or whoever you take it to finds something wrong with it,
it gives you the upper hand, it gives you the leverage.
So if they find these problems, you can go back there and say,
hey, can you fix these things?
I'll buy the truck, can you fix these things
or can you take it off the price of the truck?
Because I'm going to have to turn around
and spend another $5,000 or $2,500,
like you said, another $2,500 to fix this radiator.
Can you take the price off the car or the truck?
Or can you fix it?
Well, they not only replace the radiator,
they also replace the turbo.
Which that was probably another, that was probably $5,000 there too.
Yeah, yeah.
So it worked.
I mean, and it wouldn't look, it wouldn't look.
I took it to Cooter's garage and, you know,
I mean, I took it to the Ford dealer
and they had that thing for three hours.
And like I said, they only charged me $75.
And they gave me a laundry list of stuff.
You know, there was a few connectors that weren't plugged in
from where they had the cab off of it and all that stuff,
which they fixed some of that.
And as they found it and then, you know,
they gave me a laundry list and they said, well, yeah, we'll fix it.
We'll do the deal, come back in a week and pick it up.
So my wife and my mom went up there and picked it up and brought it back.
Yeah.
I mean, it's a great example.
And again, you know, a lot of people too think that, hey,
if you're buying a car from a used car lot or a deal, even a dealership,
you're buying a used car from them and you're like, oh, it should be in good mechanical.
No, these people are, I'm sorry, but they're salesmen.
They're just, their job is to sell cars.
There are three people, there are three people that I don't trust.
Politicians, lawyers and car salesmen.
Yeah.
Ain't that the truth?
And not necessarily in that order.
Right, right, right.
Yeah.
And listen, I'll let you, I'll let you take some other calls.
I can figure that out.
I have that long, man.
I appreciate it.
You have a great weekend.
You too.
So again, when you're buying a vehicle used or from a dealership,
it doesn't really matter because a lot of people will want to buy it from a dealership.
So it should be good.
That does not always mean that that's not always the case.
And again, I'm not picking on used car salesmen.
I'm not picking on used car lots.
These people, their job is to sell cars.
They're not mechanics.
Right.
And again, I'm not picking on, I'm not saying that they're trying to deceive you.
I'm not saying that, that, that everybody's dishonest, dishonest.
I'm just saying, if you're buying something, especially with the cost of today's cars,
make sure you get it inspected.
And again, I'm not saying that they're trying to pull the wool over your eyes.
And you're, you know, they're just trying to sell you, you know, a piece of crap.
I'm just saying, get it inspected.
Again, their job, they're not mechanics.
They don't look at these cars.
When they're selling these cars, they don't pop the hood.
They don't get it up on the, on the lift and take a look at it.
They don't know what they're looking at.
Right.
Their job is just to sell the car.
It's not to find out if there's anything wrong with it.
So again, it's imperative.
It's important that you get it inspected.
And again, let me reiterate, do not buy an aftermarket warranty period.
So, all right, let's go back to the phones.
We've got Jim.
Hey, Jim, welcome to the car show.
How can I help?
Hi, how are you doing?
I'm good. How are you?
Good, good.
Hey, I've got a 23 full runner that we bought recently.
And I was just wondering, as far as buying rust protection from,
I turned it down at the dealership, but like Z Bart's been around here forever,
so forth.
I know these things, these vehicles today are better protected that,
you know, as they're built from rust and whatnot.
But what's your opinion on the Z Bart's of the world out there
in terms of added rust protection?
You know what?
Great question, great question.
So, and listen, I had this conversation with my brother earlier this week.
I said, you know, we're talking about a car and my truck actually,
because my older truck, and it's just so rusted.
I'm like, well, you know, we live in the rust belt here and
everything that's out there, you know, with the the brine they put down,
the salt and everything that we deal with.
It's something that should we can talk about now.
I think with it being a 23, how many miles are on it?
Um, we bought it with $5,000.
I was a demo, so I want to say it's got seven on it now.
Okay.
All right.
And does I think there's some factors that we need to think about here.
It says you're in Alexandria, Kentucky.
Yeah.
And is this vehicle, does it stay?
Is it going to be outside its entire life or is it garage kept?
Garage.
Okay.
So I think if a vehicle, if a vehicle is staying outside its whole life,
I think it's something that you should look into.
If it's being garage kept, I don't think that, and it's being,
is this a daily driver for you?
Yes.
Okay.
I see a lot of cars that come in that have the Z bar on and they're protected or whatnot.
I think if you're going to do it, I'm not against it.
If you're going to do it, I would do it sooner than later.
Here's, and here's why.
Sometimes when they, when, once they spray that stuff,
a lot of times too, it just traps.
If there's already, like if you've got a car that's 10 years old and you want to do it,
I would not recommend it because all you do is just trap it.
You know, you just trap the water and you trap it in there.
And then in my opinion, you're not really blocking it.
You're just capsulating it, but then it continues to continue to rot.
So, yeah, on the, on the forerunner though, I would have to,
I have to look at it because the older forerunners and the older
tundras and to come was, man, I tell you what, I've seen,
I can't tell you how many of those cars I've come that have come into my shop
with the frames rotted out on it.
I think Toyota was a problem.
Oh yeah, it's a massive problem, massive problem.
And, you know, and they did honor some of the frames and replacing some of the frames,
but not all of them.
I think that Toyota has gotten away from that.
I would have to, because again, with it being a 23, I'd have to look at it.
I don't think it's a bad thing, but here, hear me out on this too.
When you, when they do that, you know, they hit all those bolts and everything like that.
So if there's in the fuel lines and brake lines and everything like that.
So going down the road, if you have to remove those bolts, well, you can't get a,
you know, a socket on it because the bolts just covered in that, that Zebar stuff.
So, you know, I'm not against it.
I just, if you're going to drive it and keep it in the garage, if you're going to drive it
daily, keep it in the garage.
I don't, I wouldn't do it.
I'd leave it the way it was.
Well, what's the difference of leaving it in the garage?
I mean, we're still going to drive it on the salted road and then pull it in the garage
versus leaving it in the driveway.
Yeah, correct.
But here, here, because what happens is when it sits outside, okay, that moisture
that's on the black top or on the concrete, that moisture, obviously when it evaporates,
it rises, right?
So it goes up and it just collects there, right?
So if it sits in the garage, obviously the frame or whatnot is going to drip and whatnot.
And yes, that water will evaporate, but it's not exposed to the elements the way it is
if it sits outside.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
I mean, I had moisture.
Correct.
And I had a gentleman that had a 90, his, unfortunately his parents passed away.
It was like a 97 Cadillac and had like 30,000 miles on it, right?
This thing sat outside its whole life.
So it was a 97.
This was, I don't know, probably about five years ago, right?
So it was pretty old cars, 20 years old, something like that.
And he's like, I said, man, this thing is an absolute rusted mess.
You need to get rid of it.
And he's like, well, it's only got 30,000 miles on it.
I'm like, I understand that.
But it sat outside on the black top, outside its entire life, and it's a rusted mess.
Now, if you've got a car that's sitting in a garage for that amount of time,
it's not getting that exposure to the elements of the weather.
So it's really, that's really key is keeping a car in a garage.
That's how you're going to get the longevity out of a vehicle.
So I think with the age of it, and again, I would have to see it to just,
I don't know if Toyota has got away.
Some of these, I mean, they still have a frame.
But I just, I wouldn't do it.
Yeah, let's put it this way.
If I buy a new vehicle, I'm not going to do it.
Um, I just, I don't like covering all that stuff up because if there's any type of repair
that needs to be done down the road, you've, you've kind of just created another problem.
So, yeah, so, but I mean, you know, again, I'm not against it, but I just,
I'm not going to do it to my, I don't do it to my vehicle.
So, what about, um, do you have an opinion on, you know, they got paint protection
and different types of that, you know, where they put a coating on ceramic coating?
Yeah, yeah, I would do that.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Okay.
The ceramic coating I would do, I mean, even some of your kind of your local car washes
will offer some type of ceramic.
It's not really a ceramic coating.
Like you need to take it to a professional and have it done.
Now it's pretty pricey, but, um, yes, I mean, as far as the paint goes, I think,
especially with the, the debris and, and rocks and salt and everything like that,
yeah, protect the paint because it can be, body work is very expensive.
But I would do, I would recommend that the Z-Bart, I just, again, I'm, you know,
I don't have a problem with it, but I just wouldn't do it to my vehicle.
So, okay.
All right.
Well, that helps a lot.
All right.
Thanks a lot, man.
All right.
You're welcome, Jim.
Take care.
So, you know, the thing is too, and I'm, I'm going back to the whole get the car inspected,
right?
You, you look at these cars and the top, you know, the rest of the whole body is like,
oh man, this car is great.
The inside's perfect, whatnot.
The problem is you get it up in the air.
It's a whole nother story.
And I, time and time again, I'll get these cars that come into our shop to get inspected,
get them up in the air.
And they do look great.
You get them up in the air and they're an absolute rusted mess and come to find out if
they come from Michigan, you know, Northern Ohio, New York, you know, up all those, again,
Northern States, these things are absolute rusted messes.
They're messes and it creates a tremendous amount of problems, right?
So, again, if you're going back to buying a used vehicle and it is out of state,
you want the Southern States, you want Georgia,
Florida, Texas, somewhere like that.
Because it's not exposed to all the elements of the salt and the brine and everything else
they put in the streets these nowadays up here in the, in the North.
So that's, it's important to just because the interior is perfect and the exterior is
perfect and it looks great underneath tells a whole nother story, right?
So it's something to think about when you're buying a used vehicle.
So I thought Jim's questions were great.
So, and again, if your car is 20 years old and you're not familiar with Z-Bart,
Z-Bart kind of basically capsilizes and supposed to prevent the rust from getting any works, right?
But what happens though too is it also traps the moisture in the water in there too if it's
not done perfectly well, okay?
Now, I've seen some jobs that are done well.
I've seen some jobs that are done horribly.
And you want to make sure that if you do want to do it, you make sure one, the car is fairly new.
And then two, you want to make sure that you find a reputable guy that can do it,
all right?
Again, I'm not too familiar with who's the best in, in the Cincinnati area,
the tri-state area that can do it.
But it is an option for you.
So, and so anyways, all right, taking your phone calls.
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Michael has been patiently waiting.
Hey, Michael, welcome to the car show.
How can I help?
Well, you and I spoke a couple of weeks ago about my 2020 Pathfinder.
About the alternator.
Do you remember that?
Because I followed up with your shop and I think you were correct.
But however, it went out again and I had to have it towed.
As a matter of fact, AAA said, this is your fifth tow.
You're not getting any more tows.
So I did actually take it to the place I go out here in East Gate, Ohio.
And they said, no, you need to take it to the dealership.
And it turns out it was the alternator.
Now, having said that, and if you remember, I told you I had about 1000 miles left before the
extended warranty I purchased went out.
And believe it or not, the car went out.
It got fixed and my deductible was $100.
And that's what I paid for a $1,500 alternator.
It was $100 deductible.
So I've had other extended warranties where they're idiots, like you said.
But for whatever reason, and I'll tell you the insurance company with
fidelity warranty, and I purchased this car from over on Loveland,
Madeira Road, Hertz running car when it went out of business,
because they were giving away these cars.
That's right.
It actually, it actually worked.
So I was like, I was totally shocked too.
But it actually worked that I only paid $100 deductible to have the entire alternator replaced.
Well, I mean, that's great.
And that's absolutely great.
And listen, when I was working with these companies, like I said, I don't do,
I just don't do business with them anymore because it's an absolute headache.
But what they do typically is they say, hey, listen, we don't pay any diagnostic.
We don't pay any shop supply fees.
We don't pay any taxes.
We don't pay, what's your labor rate?
And you're like, labor rates, $100?
Well, we only pay $50 an hour, right?
And then what happens is, and then if it's a big repair like yours, typically,
they'll sit there and go, well, we need to send our own guy out there to basically
diagnose it and make sure that you know what you're doing.
So then you're waiting two or three days for somebody to come out and verify that,
yes, the car does need the alternator.
And then all in all, what I see primarily is, is like, okay, well, we'll pay the jobs $1,500,
but we'll pay 750.
And I just don't, I don't think that's, I don't think that's right.
I mean, in your case, I mean, that's great.
And who, who was the company through?
Well, it's through fidelity.
And who I took it to was my, and I'll tell you who dealership and escape.
And it was like, okay, yeah, yeah, we've got this approved.
I was like, wow, okay.
But it was, the cool thing is they had my car for a week.
So they gave me a courtesy car.
So I had one of these little, the kicks.
I don't know, we've got like nine million miles to the gas.
Yeah.
It's like five bucks to fill it up.
So I was like, but still, I like my Pathfinder.
Right.
Okay.
I like a little bigger piece, a little more metal around me.
But I was, I was shocked that they did it, but it was fidelity.
And it was, I bought a lot of them in deer from the Hertz rental car that used to be there.
You know what I'm talking about, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I was like, I mean, they were giving these cars away.
And in 2020, I got a 2020 Pathfinder for $23,000.
And I typically do not get extended warranties, but that little Magnum PI voice, if you remember
that, it's going off.
It's like, you know, you can get in this car almost for nothing.
Why don't you just go ahead and get it?
Yeah.
And like I said, like we talked a couple of weeks ago, it was right before the warranty
expired.
And I was like, I don't even know if you're going to cover this, but they went ahead and
covered it.
I was totally shocked.
Yeah.
That's, I mean, that's, that's awesome.
And like I said, I have seen, I have seen people where it does work out for them, but
nine out of 10 times it doesn't.
But in your case, it worked out for you.
I'm, I'm, I'm happy for you, man.
So that's good.
No, I agree.
I agree with you because I've got extended the warranty on other cars that I've owned
and they're like, God, no, this isn't covered.
This isn't covered.
This isn't covered.
This isn't covered.
I'm like, for real.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I had, I had a customer one time that had a Chevy.
Or I can't remember what kind of car it was, but anyways, needed a compressor, right?
And so if you read the fine details, it says AC compressors covered, right?
So call them up, call the insurance company and they're like, yep, it's AC compressor.
It's bad.
Yep.
I was like, is it covered?
Yep.
It's covered.
I was like, all right.
We're like, why, what's wrong with the compressor?
So, well, it's, it's, I said, it's leaking out of the front seal of the AC compressor.
And they're like, oh, that's not covered.
I said the compressor's covered.
Yeah.
But the front seal is not.
The front seal feels not really.
So you got to replace.
I was like, well, I have to replace the whole compressor to replace the seal.
Yep.
Front, in the fine print, it said the front seal wasn't covered, but everything else was.
And I'm like, man, that's that, that ain't, that's not right.
No, that's petty.
That's petty.
Yeah.
So, you know, so the customer still had to pay $1,200 for a compressor because the front
seal was leaking.
And again, listen, they've got lawyers.
They've got, you know, they've got people writing, writing all this stuff out.
And they've got this stuff all figured out.
And I just feel that it's, it's, it's just very deceiving to the general public.
So that's kind of why I get, I get turn off, just turn off from it.
But again, yes, it can work in some people.
But if you do have one out there, you're like, oh, shoot, I shouldn't have bought it.
It can work out in your benefit, especially in your case.
It can work out.
But if you can avoid doing it, I would because it's a whole bunch of record.
And again, in your case, so if you would have brought it to my shop and I had it for a week,
I wouldn't have the ability to give you a loan or car, right?
So you'd be without a car for an entire week.
You know what I mean?
So that's the other side of it.
We have three cars.
We have three cars.
We have an extra car.
As a matter of fact, my wife's driving it now, but I'm sitting here looking at it.
And it says fatality paid $1,271.82.
The labor was $9.99.75.
And the part for $372.07.
So yeah, I was like, and why I got you on a phone?
Let me ask you another question about brake fluids.
Because I have a young telephone.
So I was told because when they checked my car, it was like you got a little coloring
going on your brake fluid.
I guess it's copper.
I think is that what they call it copper or where it's not your traditional red brake fluid?
Well, the brake fluid should look like yellowish.
It should look like apple juice.
Okay.
Okay.
So it's actually lighter than that.
But when it starts getting darker or starting to look like apple juice or darker colored,
it should be changed.
So I mean, typically most manufacturers recommend every two years that it should be changed.
And listen, we do it at our shop, brake fluid absorbs moisture over time.
You'll get a fading pedal because that moisture obviously, again,
are you going to have some type of catastrophic failure if you don't do it?
No.
But if you want to upkeep your car, you want to keep it going and you want to have a more
responsive brake pedal and prolong the hoses and the calipers and that thing, you should change it.
But again, all my vehicles get oil changes with synthetic at 5,000 miles at last.
I don't play around with vehicles.
And I will caution, I'm going to throw this out there.
I'm not advocating or going against anybody.
But I was told that my fog, when they brought it in, they did a service check.
Yeah, video and services.
But then the service guy was like, your fog lights don't work.
I was like, really?
When I brought it in, they worked.
But I checked them the night before last.
So like I said, you had my fog lights turned off instead of turned on.
So they wanted to replace my fog lights.
So buyer beware, I guess, on that one.
But I want to follow up with you, but it actually turned out to be the alternator.
And you and I, we've had two discussions on this prior to this.
Well, I do remember, I do remember it.
Well, great, man.
That's awesome.
I'm glad it worked out for you.
So I appreciate the phone call.
All right, man.
Have a great day.
All right, you too.
Bye-bye.
All right.
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I picked up a 94 Chevy truck trying to restore it.
And it's been sitting with gas in it for all many years.
And I just want to get your opinion.
The best way to get that old gas out would be to
take the fuel filter off and let it pump out.
Or somebody suggested taking it off of the fuel injection
in the engine and let the relay pump it out.
I'm not sure which way.
Yeah. We said you wanted to restore it.
Yeah. I mean, it's a full-size truck and I don't see too many others around anymore.
How long has the truck been sitting?
How old do you think the gas is?
I would say about four or five years.
Maybe a little.
Oh, there's nothing worse than the smell of stale gas.
I just ordered it before I had it towed.
And then once I gave it gas, it died and I haven't been able to start it since.
Well, typically, I mean, you could take the line off at the,
one of the lines off at the fuel filter and just pump it all out.
You could do that.
I mean, the way we would do it at my shop, and you may not be able to do this,
but what we would typically do is, and the easiest way to do it is,
we would take the bed off the frame.
And again, typically most trucks, there's six bolts that hold,
there's three on each side of that frame that hold that bed in there.
Typically, that's what we would do is we would just,
you know, and the beds are really, really light.
I mean, it usually only takes about two, maybe three guys.
Just take those six bolts out and lift that bed off that frame,
and then the tank is right there.
And then it's got a plastic, most likely.
Well, it's a 94, so it's got probably a metal lock ring.
You just take a screwdriver, a chisel, and a screwdriver would be recommended.
You don't want any sparks.
And you want to knock that locking ring off and just pull that pump out and suck it out.
I mean, I think that would be the best.
But again, that's a lot of work.
I mean, you could take it off of the fuel filter and have it pump out,
but the pump could be bad too, where it's not going to pump out.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, and you got a point there.
Would that be better sitting and dropping the tank?
No, I wouldn't.
No, because those straps, the typically the straps are completely severely rusted.
The bolts that hold the straps in are severely rusted,
and they typically will break off and you can't get the straps off.
And where the bolts for the bed, you can get out.
I've never, ever, ever had a problem getting the bed bolts out.
Always have a problem getting the fuel tank straps.
So I would not drop the tank.
It would be easier if you're going to drop the tank.
Don't just take the bed off.
But if the pump is working, yeah,
obviously get a bucket or pail or something underneath it and try to pump it out.
But man, back in those days, I mean,
GM and forward were notorious for bad fuel pumps, but you could try.
Yeah.
And then the other thing though, too, is if that fuel filter itself,
that line, the nut that screws into that filter, if it's all rusted, right?
If it's all rusted, it will come off.
Then you can't get it off.
Then you break the fuel line and then you're not going to be able to get fuel lines for it.
And it could open up a can of worms.
I would probably just take the bed off, make it a Saturday project.
Take the it's six bolts.
I mean, most trucks have just three bolts on each side of the frame.
Yes, it would require a little bit more work, but you're taking that bed off.
You're going to restore it anyways.
Take that bed off.
The pump is right there.
It would make your life so much easier by going that route.
That's the way I would do it.
And I'd siphon it out that way.
Oh, okay.
Instead of siphoning it through the pillar, too, as well, you know,
like it says pump and pumps that siphon it out.
So most I don't on a 94, I'm not sure.
But most vehicles, they've got like a like a ball that's in the filler next.
So if the if the truck was to flip over, the gas doesn't pour out of there.
And so people can't siphon the gas out of it on a 94.
I probably you probably still can't siphon the gas out of it.
I'm not quite sure.
I know on these newer cars, most of the the cars that are out there today,
they've got a ball that won't allow.
So again, if the car does tip, the gas doesn't pour out of it, you know.
So I mean, you can you can try it.
There's a it's on Amazon.
There's a pump.
It's like a manual pump.
It's just got a little marble at the end of it.
But you would run it down there and then you just shake it.
And it man, the things you can get them for like they're cheap.
I want to say like 26 bucks.
You can try to siphon it out that way.
But I think the best way would be just take the bed off the frame and and go that route.
So all right, wouldn't it be good to change that filter anyway?
And I'll put some it would be absolutely.
It would be you.
But I would I would recommend if you're going to do it.
You make I would get some PB Blaster from WD 40.
And so get some some type of penetrating oil and you soak that thing for a couple of days.
Soak it.
Let it try to work its way in there so you don't, you know,
get one of those lines that's all rusted and create a headache for you.
So hey, listen, I got to go.
I really do appreciate it.
Thanks for holding.
All right.
All right.
Take care, Randy.
I apologize.
Please call me back next Saturday.
I'll be back to answer all of your car questions.
I really do appreciate everybody calling.
Everybody have a great weekend.
Let's go bangles, right?
Who day we we need to win tomorrow.
Last week wasn't too great, but but anyways,
hey, I'll be back next Saturday.
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