SwitchCast Mar 16, 2026

The Controversial Porsche Cars North America Lawsuit

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Car

Hyundai Grandeur

The Hyundai Grandeur is a big, comfortable car made by Hyundai. It is designed to be nice and smooth for passengers.

Brand

McLaren

McLaren is a company that makes very fast and fancy cars. They are known for building cars that race and go really fast on the road.

Company

Cannonball Garage

Cannonball Garage is a car repair shop that works on special cars. They found and fixed a problem with some McLaren engines.

Part

valve cover

A valve cover is a part on top of the engine that keeps everything inside safe and stops oil from leaking. In these McLaren engines, the valve covers have plastic parts inside to make them stronger.

Term

structural ribs

Structural ribs are like little walls inside a part that make it stronger and harder to bend. In McLaren's valve covers, these ribs are made from plastic.

Term

Mirrored components are parts made as two matching halves, like a mirror image, to make building them easier. McLaren's valve covers were made this way, but the inside parts weren't matched correctly.

Term

camshaft lobes

Camshaft lobes are parts of the engine that help open and close valves so the engine works. Here, they are touching plastic parts they shouldn't, which causes damage.

Concept

engine wear from plastic debris

If plastic pieces break off inside the engine, they can get into the oil and cause problems by blocking parts or scratching important engine pieces.

Concept

Porsche Cars North America

Porsche Cars North America is the company that brings Porsche cars to the U.S. and helps sell them through dealerships.

Term

new car

A new car means a car that has never been owned or used by anyone else before. Selling a used car as new is not allowed.

Concept

technical training center

A technical training center is a place where mechanics learn how to fix cars properly, especially new models or technologies.

Car

Porsche 911 GT3

The Porsche 911 GT3 is a special sports car made by Porsche that is designed to be very fast and fun to drive, especially on race tracks. The 2022 version is one of the newest models.

Term

window sticker

A window sticker is a paper on the car's window that shows what the car has and how much it costs. It helps buyers know exactly what they are getting.

Term

build sheet

A build sheet is a list that shows exactly how a car was made and what parts or options it has. It helps people know what is inside the car.

Term

pro forma invoice

A pro forma invoice is a kind of rough bill that shows how much a car might cost before you actually buy it. It's not the final price but gives an idea.

Concept

arbitration

Arbitration is a way to solve problems without going to court. A neutral person listens to both sides and decides what should happen.

Concept

Porsche experience center

A Porsche Experience Center is a special place where people can try out Porsche cars and learn about them. The cars used there are not usually sold right away.

Concept

internal Porsche auction process

Porsche has a special auction just for dealers to buy cars that were used for shows or training. These cars are still new but were not sold to regular customers first.

Term

warranty

A warranty is like a promise from the car maker to fix things if they break within a certain time. If the warranty isn't started, it means the car is still covered as if it was new.

Term

put in service

When a car is 'put in service,' it means the clock starts on how long the warranty lasts and how old the car is considered. This is important to know when buying a car that was used before.

Term

sticker price

Sticker price is the price the car company says the car should cost. Sometimes people pay more than this price if the car is very popular.

Term

lemon law

Lemon law helps people get their money back or a new car if their new car has big problems that can't be fixed after trying several times.

Term

Manheim

Manheim is a big place where car dealers sell and buy used cars from each other, kind of like a marketplace for cars.

Term

corporate inefficiency

Corporate inefficiency means a big company sometimes messes up because people don't talk to each other well, which can cause problems like selling cars that shouldn't be sold.

Term

Monroney law

The Monroney law says new cars have to have a sticker on the window that tells you what's in the car and how much it costs, so you can make a good choice.

Car

Pontiac Fiero

The Pontiac Fiero is a small sports car made in the 1980s. It has its engine in the middle, which is different from most cars.

Term

fiberglass replica

A fiberglass replica is a car body made from a light plastic material that looks like a real car. People use it to make their cars look like expensive models.

Part

convertible top frame

The convertible top frame is the part that holds the soft roof of a car that can open and close.

Car

Volkswagen Beetle

The Volkswagen Beetle is a small, round-shaped car that was made for many years. People sometimes use parts from it to build other cars.

Car

Nissan 300ZX headlights

The Nissan 300ZX is a sports car from the 1990s, and its headlights are the front lights. People sometimes use these headlights on other cars.

Term

four speed manual transmission

A four speed manual transmission is a system in a car that lets you change gears yourself using a stick, and it has four different gears to choose from.

Term

1700 cc bug engine

The 1700 cc bug engine is the small engine from the Volkswagen Beetle car. It is simple and reliable but not very powerful.

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Okay, well last week we talked about the Florida Street takeover law

We like talking we are not lawyers here and we don't always talk about laws or

Lawsuits or whatever we have to tonight. We're discussing but

Honestly, that's what is the focus of a lot of news

It has to do with people breaking the law or people suing over a law or people doing bad things and that is just part of our lives

You media outlets are not lawyers

They write stories about it all the time

But somebody was very upset that two non-lawyers were parsing legalese from this publicly available

Florida law

and that we were discussing it and he didn't

Really take issue with the content of it just that we were talking about it, but he said

That

Florida did offer guidance on essentially two attorneys and and lawmakers and stuff on how this is

Supposed to be interpreted and applied

And he he said that the intent is to prosecute street takeovers and my response is twofold one

It's not about intent. It's about application

Laws mean nothing other than how you enforce them

So you can write a law and not enforce it and therefore the law has no power or you can write a really broad law and enforce it

Broadly and then it has too much power and our opinion is

That this law is written far too broadly

There's already plenty of laws on the books that could and should apply to people doing street takeovers

Which we think should be prosecuted till to the full extent of the law that we don't need additional laws

that could

Be really broadly applied and in the comments. They proved me right because people told actual firsthand stories of

For example, there was a cars and coffee type event

That was on private property that was permitted that was approved and the cops showed up

This was Florida cops and they showed up and we're giving spectator tickets to everybody who is watching people leave

So that whoa, and I'm like, there you go. See see I don't have to be a lawyer to say

This is how it could apply and and my bigger point was

This is a law that's written in the English language and it applies to us it governs us

So as people who understand the English language and are governed by this law

We absolutely should do our best to understand it to talk about it openly

You know saying that it's only the lawmakers and the lawyers that can talk about it and understand it is like the you know

The old English church where the Bible was only in Latin. It's only the priests can interpret the word of God

You can't have can't have regular people

Understanding the scriptures and I think that's kind of the the same thing. I mean understand what he was getting at

But I just don't agree with it

Like I I want to know what the law says about my life because the lawmakers would be holding to us as citizens

So we should absolutely know what's in these laws

Well, and I think what what bugs me is a lot of people like to look at the intent is

The only thing that should influence an opinion, but an intent is only a

Part of a situation

It's a part of the detail like if you had a mosquito that landed on your cheek and your friend punched you in the face to kill

The mosquito and he's like well my intent was that you didn't get a mosquito bite

You'd still be pretty pissed that he punched you in the face. Yeah, so you need to be careful

It is it's a part of the story, but it's not the whole story. Yeah. Yeah

Yeah, there's

There's a phrase about that that was in our comments and I forgot us. I'm just gonna move right past it

McLaren has a major design flaw

This is not news I was gonna say yes their v8 engines and

Our friends at cannonball garage out in Chicago have figured it out and fixed it McLaren didn't

But an independent shop did so when people always say oh mark our was dealer service. I'm like big whoop-de-do so

Cannonball garage sent out an email. I think just today

Regarding a design flaw in all McLaren v8 engine valve covers

That's a lot. That's like almost every model. Yeah, yeah, exactly

so they have

They have

Structural ribs inside the valve cover to stiffen the valve cover itself and they're made of plastic and

they

The factory valve cover design

Are mirrored components so that simplifies the manufacturing process

But the stiffening ribs inside the covers weren't mirrored. Oh

Right whoops, so the camshaft lobes are actually making contact

With these ribs and wearing them down now metal making contact with plastic no big deal

The plastic loses so the valve covers just lose a piece of this stiffening rib

So it's not necessarily a catastrophic problem

However, that plastic has to go somewhere and that's really close to places. It shouldn't be go sure and

Tiny amount a little bit of grinding off plastic isn't gonna like cause a major engine failure, but it could

Cause things to go wrong. It could you know lodge itself in places. It can work its way through the oil

You know maybe bore scoring. I don't know but essentially what they said was a lot of

cars have gone into service centers and

Been diagnosed with other issues that are seemingly random that are actually related to this plastic

material being in the oiling system

So it sounds very Porsche of that you got a right

You got to cut open your oil filter and then there's still a man you've got like the newest cars still have this issue at no point

McLaren go. Oh, whoops, maybe we should fully mirror the design

So it's like somebody in CAD just like hit the 180 button and said ship it

But not the full one. Yeah, I don't know

Yeah, so cannonball garage is making new aluminum valve covers that are properly mirrored

so there's no contact between the camshaft lobe and the

structural stiffening ribs on

The valve covers. Anyway, I just I love it. They're making McLaren's reliable in a sense

But that's not the I've heard of a bajillion stories of little manufacturing defects that McLaren did

and

You know cannonball garage just keeps finding

stuff that should have been fixed at the

Manufacture level or should have been caught earlier and wasn't and is giving McLaren's a bad name for reliability

Yeah, good name to cannonball garage for fixing it all

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Speaking of legal discussions, this is a story that has been covered all over. This is a major lawsuit

But I think we are going to shed more light on it than the other stories have so far

I think we're gonna cover it better tooting my own horn here

I always say that we're never the first to the story, but we're usually often the most thorough

often

We did want to jump on this somewhat early, but I did do a significant amount of research

It is going to play out over a long time because this is obviously a lawsuit

Against Porsche cars North America and it may play out for years if it doesn't settle. So the long and short of it is

Porsche dealer sold a new car

That was previously used previously sold to

Porsche's technical training center and used for technicians to figure out how to fix cars and then

Sold as a new car. Oh

allegedly the dealer

Covered this up

Not allegedly well, I guess it is alleged that the buyer did not know he was getting a car that had been used for

training purposes previously

Now so, you know the background that we've done

Because we got criticized as non lawyers for discussing legal things whatever it yeah, we got to stay in our lane Doug

There's plenty of media outlets writing stories about this. We are a media outlet. I have read I've

In a cursory manner not word for word, but I have read the actual petition

And complaint not just stories about it, so I've gone through that I have consulted

With an attorney that specializes in this type of suit and I have consulted with some experts or not experts

but people within Porsche

That know exactly how all this stuff works, so nice

You know in addition to my general understanding of the car business and how this stuff works

We're gonna shed light on it from a number of different perspectives. So

the long and short of what allegedly happened is that in 2023

a customer from Florida bought what he thought was a brand new

2022

GT3

From Porsche of Warrington. It had 34 miles on it. It was approximately May of 2023

And he had asked for the window sticker. They did not provide the original window sticker

They provided him and said a build sheet or what you might call pro forma invoice and he found out afterwards

That

Once the car started having problems that his technician at the Porsche dealer where he serviced in Florida said well people have

Been in this car already

Who there's been worked on there's loose wiring etc. And the car had gone in limp mode

It was down for a significant period of time long enough that he was able to use Florida's lemon law to

Get the car approved as a lemon so the manufacturer would refund the entire purchase price and buy the car back

Now they did that through arbitration

However, once the settlement was reached

Believe according to the the documents that I've read Florida's lemon law provides that they have to not only refund the purchase price

But also the finance charges and sales tax and that was not in the settlement amount

So he went back and appealed that he has also filed a suit

Initially in Florida, but Porsche filed to remove it to federal court for good reason

Essentially alleging that both Porsche cars North America and Porsche of Warrington

committed fraud and conspiracy in

Doing this whole deal and the reason he's doing that probably is to get punitive damages

So he can get a whole lot of money from them for what he believes is essentially, you know fraudulent misrepresentation

Well, and I think it's something that would have perked my ears immediately is the fact that for a new car a dealership could not provide a

window sticker

You are right on the money. I would

That would almost be enough to turn me away from you know either called Mon Rony labels

No, oh well

There's a law called the Mon Rony lots of federal law that new cars have to have the window sticker

Displayed on the vehicle and if they're not the dealer has to provide the window sticker

Which includes the standard features and the optional equipment the Porsche?

Proforma does not provide all that information. It's just the optional equipment. So

My understanding is

Because he let the buyer allegedly asked the dealer for the window sticker

They said we don't have it and then provided him with a bill cheat

My understanding is they violated federal Mon Rony law

Already by doing that now. It's not because they couldn't get it, right? Well, yeah, cuz it's they shouldn't couldn't they can go in

Yes, I confirmed this with my contact at Porsche. They could just go in and get another one right there

Now the that doesn't mean that they were

Covering it up because when he got the car it was in the glove box if a dealer is trying to hide something

They're probably not going to leave that thing. They're hiding in the glove box. Look I I have bought

Two cars now not from dealers from private sellers when I explicitly asked if there was information

They said no don't have it don't know and those service records and everything was in the glove box

Nobody opens the glove box. I don't know why I've also had the same thing happen

And I found out that the dealer was hiding stuff and then just lied and said we didn't have it

But it was because it was really really bad information. Was it in the glove box? No, okay

No, we had to obtain it other by other means so the window sticker itself

Seemed somewhat damning because and this is what's making the news big red print stamped on the window sticker PC NA car

not for sale and

the other

Thing in smaller prints on the window sticker is sold to such-and-such training center

If the dealer was trying to cover it up, okay

Well, it says right on the window sticker is sold originally to the training center

Now let's go to the logistics of how this works and then let's discuss the big red print of you know

the scarlet letters on the window sticker

Porsche will sell cars to

Porsche experience center. They'll use cars for their auto show. They'll have cars to their reps and

All of these cars will have printed on them PC NA car not for sale. We'll get back to that in a moment

When they're done with that

They then go through an internal Porsche auction process whereby Porsche dealers can buy these cars

They are still new they do not stamp the warranty

So they're not essentially put in service from a warranty perspective

Which when you buy a car from a dealer that may have been used in demo service

You always want to say ask them when was the car put in service because you could be buying a new car

That already has a year running on the warranty clock. This is not the case here. These are brand new cars

But they also qualify for free Cpo

So this car was sold as a new car with the Porsche certified pre-owned warranty. Well, that doesn't make sense

It doesn't and the guy like allegedly asked about it, but you know

They said it. Here's what the dealer said according to the complaint. It was used for display purposes

Okay, and for like

You know informational training etc. That in no way did they say it was used for this technical school

Well, so you're on the terrace. I don't really want to interrupt you too much, but why would

What are the reasons a dealer would buy a car from this internal auction process if it would is potentially not fit for sale to an end user

Because they wouldn't find any reason for it not to be fit for sale

Okay, so and that's a good question because going back to my auto tech days

in our auto tech school, we had different cars donate to us by the manufacturers and

My initial assumption on this story was based on my understanding of that

Which we were told these cars could like never be sold to the public

I mean makes it something's been taken the entire thing apart exactly learning how to be qualified. They're not qualified yet

So they were essentially condemned. So I'm thinking oh, that's what this means. That's not what this means

PC and a car not for sale just means this car is not currently for sale. It doesn't mean it's unfit for sale

It doesn't mean it can't be sold eventually. That's just what gets stamped on it originally

So this big red scarlet letter on the window sticker is not as big of a deal as they're making it out to be and part of the complaint

Alleged that the dealer like continued to double down on their cover up because when this whole thing was exposed

They said oh, that's no big deal. They do that all the time. Well, that's true

The dealer wasn't lying there. They do this all the time and I found other window stickers online

I found a another window sticker of a car that was sold to PEC Atlanta Porsche Experience Center Atlanta

Same thing PC and a car not for sale. It then goes to a dealer. It's sold as new

Definitely wouldn't buy one of those

No, no, thank you, but if you get a proper discount great well, and so again, this is where I

You know

There's a saying that I'm entirely blanking on but it's essentially like a lot of conspiracy theorists the things they allege can be explained by just very normal like

Normal ways the world works that seem nonsensical from the outside correct to

Porsche as a business this stamp probably makes the most sense

But now that we're looking at it from the outside these big scary red letters

It seems insane to her like oh this means it's illegal

And people start frothing at the mouth when they just it's probably just a paperwork transaction

So I'm guessing it's similar to the sticker that we have to put on used cars that says this vehicle not for sale

It's a federal regulation that we have to put it on the car until we put an as is buyers guide into the window

So it's probably along the same lines. It's yeah, it's paperwork

It's normal very benign stuff, but it's red and it's a part of this whole situation

So it looks scary. Yep, and it likely would not have come up if the car didn't have issues

because according to the car facts the gentleman purchased it in

June of 2023 and

Put a fair number of miles on it. So between then and

let's see

July of 2025 you put about 8,000 miles on it. So he drove it a lot and then

between then and the end of the year

I'm sorry March of 2025 between March and the end of the year only about 100 miles have been put on it

And it was back and forth to Porsche of Orlando for multiple drivability issues according to the car facts

Now that jives with his complaint in the lawsuit where he said that he was having electrical issues the car went into limp mode

And it also jives with his complaint essentially that he was unable to use the car

Because yeah first year he put 7,000 miles on it second year. He essentially put none

Now we did consult with our new

lawyer sponsors supercarclaims.com and

This is kind of their specialty one. They're in Florida to they focus on diminished value claims and

This is a very real thing because if you're buying what you think is a brand new 2022 GT3 and you pay over sticker for it as he did

You want a car that doesn't have paint work that wasn't used as a Porsche experience center? Yes

Workhorse that wasn't you know fiddled with by amateur mechanics

Because that all those things

Are part of a vehicle's history that negatively impact the vehicle's value and essentially that's what he was alleging is well

the reason the dealer covered this up is because

They didn't want to participate in the discount the diminished value that was inherent with this type of backstory

Now

It's pretty easy because he was able to lemon law this car if he wasn't that would be a whole different

type of lawsuit

Because he'd be stuck with the car and he'd be suing for some sort of diminished value and fraud and whatever

But the car was lemon law. So he's got a separate lawsuit for this fraud

Now he's suing both Porsche cars north america and

Porsche of warrington

And he's he's alleging that they conspired together

That the dealership is acting as Porsche's sales agent

Um that everybody participated in this giant cover-up

Now what our legal counsel legal advisor supercarclaims.com said is well

We really need to see the response from pcna and from the dealer before we offer a full opinion

And again, this comes down to everybody's rushing to the press, but it's going to be a long drawn out process

We don't really know what's going to happen

but

my opinion

or my guess my prediction of what was going to happen

and

supercarclaims.com

agreed with me in some sense was

One pcna is going to like when you file a lawsuit you have essentially have to name everybody that could be a party

And then they will individually file and say no, we have no responsibility. Here's why and the court will decide

Who is a legitimate defendant?

Um, so pcna their only filing response was to remove the case to federal court because it's essentially an interstate transaction

And because a claim is over $75,000 which qualifies it for a federal case

That was obviously approved the guys should have filed in federal court to begin with but whatever

So my guess is that pcna

Is going to file to remove themselves as a defendant and i'm guessing they'll

Win that

Because he's basically saying pcna knew all about this they participate in the cover-up

The dealership is acting as their sales agent and because the car was advertised on Porsche's

You know nationwide cpo search that like

Porsche advertised it and i'm like

You don't understand how big corporations work. They're so inefficient like look at the mint green gt3

It was repowed by Porsche financial over here and it still had a cpo over here

It was sold with structural damage at manheim

It had range six over revs and it kept

Its cpo because all these different departments didn't talk to each other like this is not a giant cover-up

This is just corporate inefficiency

Well, and i feel like and this is what i was touching on earlier like if

If you spend any time in corporate america you will understand how impossible it is to pull off some

Massive cover-up like this because somebody's gonna either screw it up or talk about it

Correct and it will get out and i also feel like

Oh gosh. Yeah continue on okay, so

pcna will probably win the part of it and and the dealership doesn't act as a sales agent

They're independently owned they do their own things they get allocations from the manufacturer

They have to pay the manufacturer for those cars and then sell them

They are not getting paid on commission to sell the manufacturer may give them unit bonuses etc etc

But dealerships operate as an independent business. So i just i that terminology i'm like that's not really how it works

Whatever so i think pcna will get themselves out of

This lawsuit and it'll be between the guy and the Porsche dealer

Now then he has to prove

that

Or they'll settle but if he wants to win it he'll have to prove that they

knew and covered this up

and

I think the whole thing's stinky

the fact that they

Violated the monroni law and didn't have a window sticker and didn't provide it when he asked for one is crappy

The fact that it was in the glove box tells me that they probably just

Didn't know their detail didn't catch it when it checked in whatever the amount of people that don't open a glove box

Dude, yeah, it's insane

I bought a car from a guy once and he said it was no paint work

And then I got the car and there was a receipt in the glove box for the front bumper being refinished

No front bumper. I don't really care, but it's just like dude if you're gonna lie to me

Hide the evidence. Yeah, like just don't send it with the car

Right. So so you've got that

I I also asked my Porsche contact

I said, okay when when these dealers buy cars through this auction, do they know what they're getting?

Do they know that this car was sold to the technical training center?

And he said well, yes, and then he backpedaled and he talked to contact a corporate as well to confirm this

He said no, he said if it was a Porsche experience center car

Yes, they would know and if it was like their reps car, they would know

But they would not necessarily know other sources and they would not definitively know that it was

At this technical training school

So that the Porsche dealer could have bought it from auction knowing it was a corporate car of some sort but not

knowing

What actually it was used for and maybe they were just lazy the fact that they didn't provide him a window sticker as he claimed in his

suit

When requested, I think that might be

You know what might hang them

Which is

Feels almost like a technicality, but it is the law and it's you know, they really screwed up

This all feels like a hand lens razor situation or never tribute to malice what is adequately explained by stupidity

Like that is a great somebody just like didn't

Do their job properly and they're going to go through this whole thing get drug online because somebody didn't open a glove box

Or print a window sticker or speaking of not doing their job properly. This is an example

As part of our research we went to epic van again another shameless plug for our affiliate

These are supplemental vehicle history reports

Um, they are not as complete as carfax, but they give us totally different information if you're not running epic vin

As a supplement to all the other homework you're doing

You are not doing enough homework

But we were able to pull up Porsche of warrington's

Uh historical for sale listing. It was put on sale june 3rd 2023

274,000 34 miles

No information uh in the description, but they use

Um, they have like a a green screen background and then they photoshop

So it looks like there's just nothing in the background. Well, their photoshop job was so bad that the main photo

Took out the rear wing. So it looks like it's a gt3 touring

Do you think they were doing that on purpose to misrepresent it as a gt3 touring?

No, because the next picture has the wing like that proves your point exactly like somebody just screwed up

and it's a bad photoshop job and

it just

It's it looks dumb

but uh, yeah

Oh my goodness

There it is amazing how applicable

That statement is to real life. So many situations in real life are just people being a little stupid or ignorant

And ignorant doesn't have to be negative. It's just you don't know. Yeah

In my research too, I came up with I believe this is a reddit thread and this was another type of situation

where somebody bought a pcna show and display car and

There was a whole lot of miles on it put on after it was purchased and sure enough

It was a Porsche Experience Center Atlanta car

But they were asking if it was a lemon law buyback now in this case they bought it from a pre-owned dealer

I think it was mark motors and the sales agent according to the screenshot said

Um, the car is not a lemon law buyback. It was certified pre-owned. So quite the opposite

Now he may not know this but that those two things are not mutually exclusive

Lemon law slash manufacturer buybacks are almost always sold as a Porsche CPO

Because the manufacturer buys it back they go through it and basically put their stamp on it and say no

It's good. We found the issue and we're adding the warranty to it

So a Porsche CPO or any other manufacturer CPO is not insurance that the car wasn't

A manufacturer buyback or anything else. It's basically just them saying

We're extending the warranty. So lots of bad information out there from both Porsche dealers and non Porsche dealers

The lesson here is do your homework. Do your homework. Do your homework know

The laws that govern car dealers know the laws that protect you

But but get all that done beforehand because you don't really want to have to go through a lawsuit like this

He may win. He may prove that the dealer and or Porsche cars was involved in some sort of conspiracy

I kind of doubt it but the mental and financial cost to that kind of lawsuit in my opinion is is really

It's just better to not have to go through that

Obviously if you do have to go through that supercarclaims.com

Is a a great resource for you and they're great just as as free consultants too

In that type of situation because they do offer free consultation

Not just for me when I call them saying I need help with an opinion for the podcast

But anyway all that to say

I hope we have shed some light more light on this than the average media article for all of you and

More to come it's that's really I mean

Yeah, my prediction is pcna gets themselves out of this

And the dealership is probably just going to settle

They may be partially in the wrong

But it's likely that they're going to say well, this isn't worth fighting

It's better just to give the guy some money to go away because it's gonna cost us too much to defend it

So and the guy's gonna end up with you know, he used the car for a year and it was fantastic

But then it was in the shop and he soured on the experience where if you just would have done his homework taken a little bit longer

He could still be driving and enjoying his car. Yeah, so I feel bad for the guy

Um that doesn't mean

He should win millions of dollars necessarily unless

Unless the dealer really did commit fraud if they were trying to cover this up then absolutely friggin barium

Let's go. Yes get lots of money. Um punitive damages all that stuff and use some of it to subscribe on patreon

Okay kit car slash true negotiator last week we covered what might have been the best kit car we've seen and it was definitely the best kit car

In the seller's eyes this one was sent to us this week from a listener and i'm so sorry

I didn't have their email pulled up, but it was through switch cast dot live, which we appreciate those submissions through our website

Uh, and it is a 1985 Pontiac fiero for twenty four thousand dollars

The description reads fiberglass replica not kit car replica 2005 Porsche Carrera GT kit car

Or you can dress it up as a Ferrari

Which he did

But yeah for halloween if a man can dress up as a woman you can also dress up as a dog, you know, right? So it is uh

It is a terrible

terrible

yellow Carrera GT

And you can see kind of the progress photos of when he bought it and then the things he did to it

And it looks like a Carrera GT with a really bad rwb wide body

You fenders just bolted on and the

Convertible top frame is just like a frame

I thought it was a roll cage at first, but it's I guess it's a convertible top frame as you'd expect the proportions are

God awful

But this is insane. He stuck Ferrari badges all over it. Why?

So he wasn't kidding when he said you could dress it up as a Ferrari

I don't my goodness

He's even got a like a Ferrari pillow in between the seats, which I think is supposed to be like Alcantara

You know

Interior trim, but it's just a pillow. He's got Ferrari letters on the back deck

It is

Abysmal it is I do love the fender flares seam

He said but he's justifying the price as all good car sellers do, you know, if you're a Corvette seller

It's one of one. Well in this case there's 24 000 dollars in fiberglass alone. Ah

That's almost as much fiberglass as in like a

Friggin ski boat, you know, so what what I find interesting is this thing looks like trash

But yes

But they took the time to cut out the side skirts of the car to fit the the side exit exhaust

There's little leg humps cut into the side of the car. That's like a level of detail. And yet they just glued on these

Rwb fender flares, but there's also rear exit exhausts

There, you know, this car is just it generates so much

fumes

That it's a golly. This is terrible. I'm exhausted just looking at it. Yeah. Yeah. Oh god

Maybe it's for the cabin exhaust because it's just so much

Yeah, it was for the driver, you know, this is straight from the bottom of the seat

Oh boy. Well

We always appreciate kit car submissions. They are

They're fantastic

They keep us going here the the kit car thing all started

Well, it didn't start we've been talking about bad kit cars for a long time, but three seasons ago. We issued a challenge

That if somebody could submit to us a kit car that was like actually

Yeah, needed nothing that they would win some arbitrary prize that I didn't name

Somebody said it was thousands of dollars. I don't think it was but anyway

Nobody ever found one. Maybe somebody found one and then conveniently I forgot what the prize was so I didn't have to award it to them

but

Could be a supercar claims.com hat

Man, I don't I'm sorry. I'm I'm in the facebook rabbit hole of kit cars and replicas. There is a

917 replica car built on a beetle chassis that has Hyundai Sonata headlights

Yes

Well, oh

Having Hyundai's

Lamborghini Diablo has Nissan 300 zx headlights and that's not a kit car. So no, but this is not good

Not not good. It's a real head turner. Sure is buddy

They all are everybody says that it gets more attention than real ones

I love that you have this car that looks this insane, but it's got a four speed manual transmission and a 1700 cc bug engine

I barely get out of its own way. Are you ready for a second legal topic of the night? Let's go. Oh, I'm sorry

I need I'm closing the tab Doug. I'm locked in I'm focused

California is cracking down on Montana LLC. Okay back to kit cars

I told you so

Yes, uh, sorry cue the I told you so because I told you so now it has been

Less than two episodes since I've covered a topic about Montana LLCs

But my goodness, I love it when I'm right when carvana even fails again

We are going to do 17 weeks of I told you so

You will gloat until you can't gloat no more

I will say we got a clip that you're always right thing for the next time you're wrong so we can play it back to you

listen

So far people can call me out on this

Let's get the receipts

So far I think the thing I've been most wrong about is carvana stock, but I still don't think I'm wrong about their company

I still there's major investment firms out there that are shorting their company and they know a lot more than I do

Okay, let's talk about California

The most recent one we talked about was

A dealer in minnesota who got charged felony charges along with a broker that worked for them

For evading sales tax. Well now the california

department of tax and fee administration which

Right there is a mouthful of friggin just government bureaucracy and waste

Everybody that works there is so much fun at parties

Them and the dmv are cracking down on auto dealers who help buyers evade california taxes

This is straight from cdtfa.california

Their press release we go right to the source

Also, hagerty.com writes an article california charges 14 people in the latest crackdown on montana license plate loophole

the department of tax and fee administration is going after the auto dealers and the

california attorney general

Is filing criminal charges against a number of individuals for conspiracy for evading sales tax

for perjury

for

money laundering

and

true to form if you listen to our last segment on

The the Porsche

North america lawsuit

I read the actual legal documents here not just articles about it because I wanted to get the best firsthand information that I could to discuss with everybody here

Uh the legal documents were really really boring

It was just literally like count one this for this count two count three count four, but there is

The long and short of it is california is sick and tired of losing money

On sales tax revenue to people titling their cars in montana all sees

I don't agree

with

Taxes I don't like taxes. I think the government is bloated and wasteful

And they're probably spending as much money

prosecuting this

lack of revenue as

They're going to gain from collecting this revenue that they've lost and they could just

Not care and not deal with registration and not have sales tax and that would be just the best for everybody

However

The laws are out there sales tax exists

I don't think I have to be like a government fan to say

It's just easier to pay your sales tax than try to jump through all these hoops in montana to not pay your sales tax

And the risk reward ratio is out of whack. That's why I titled my cars in oh how as

Painful as it is. I did it. Okay moving on

Well, I think too and we might get into this later. I said moving on. I know no we're not we're sticking up

It's about the topic the whole reason we're here. Okay

I think california is an interesting case in all of this because there's also

Issues with registering cars based on emissions and compatibility with emissions

And I think there are some people who's only option to drive their cars on california is to go this route

And it's not necessarily to avoid sales tax whereas I think

Every other state doesn't have any is california the only state that has like really strict emissions laws

There's like 13 states that have mirrored california's emissions including cal colorado and connecticut

It's all the seas

But so it's interesting that you know, there's you know in

Tennessee or ohio, okay

But like I guess one of these so

California is not providing a way for these folks to pay taxes and register some of them

some I know people that have

Paid tax in california and then move to montana lc now that was also partly due to the ongoing registration cost

But I digress. Okay, so a few things I wanted to highlight in this article

um, so california officials post a 57 count complaint and charge 14 people in a tax evasion scheme

they are also

opened

400 investigations into high-end animal automobile purchases and they're

auditing 300 dealers related to vehicle sales of no tax to no tax states. Um

Here's the funny thing if you look at the numbers the agency has identified

500 dealers involved in over 2,500 vehicle sales since 2023 to customers claiming to use the vehicle in montana

If you do the math on that that's an average of five per dealer

Over three years. So that's like one and a half cars per year per dealer

Per investigation. I don't think those numbers are as impressive as they think they are

That doesn't feel that right

You know, I I don't take back the point that I made that california makes it very tough

But I don't actually think that's who they're targeting here. I think these are all folks with like really high-end cars. Yes

Yeah, uh, let's see

The cd tfa claims that the so-called montana lupo costs the state more than 10 million per year in revenue and the 81

criminal investigations since june 2023

Uh have resulted in 2.3 million dollars in recovered registration and taxes

81 criminal investigations to get 2 million bucks

The waste and fraud that happens at the state level is like that's the tiniest drop in the bucket

I'm talking that the government wastes

to I keep going back to Ohio

2020

The uh, the like covet unemployment right where you could just file unemployment because covet

two billion dollars worth of fraud

At the state level where a fraudulent claims against this unemployment program

2 billion freaking dollars and there were inches to do we got 2 million bucks back

81 criminal investigations. Okay. It's just like it's it's uh, god

scale is hard however

The fact that they are auditing dealers and going after dealers

They're basically claiming while they're looking for dealers who are participating in these schemes

And they've found some and we will link this in our show notes

Reading the complaint is pretty scary because they are

Yeah, they've gotten

warrants obviously to

Obtain phone records and they're posting text messages to substantiate these 57. I think it was

Counts that they are charging against these 14 individuals

And a number of these are dealers who have, uh, produced

fraudulent bills of ladings

Where they basically made up a pdf charged somebody 200 to do it and put signatures on them

stating that these cars were being

delivered out of state now california

has

Had a long history of being very very diligent about

collecting sales tax and if you are from a

Non california state and you take delivery within the state you have to pay sales tax

So you basically or you have to prove that you take it out of state

So you essentially have to prove that you're removing the vehicle from california

Even if you're not a california resident in order to not pay california tax and dealers know that this is a big deal

They have to be very diligent about that

Uh, so it's no surprise to these dealers that they have to provide these bills of lading

And it's even more so when you're we're selling to montana LLC

But

Filing fake bills of ladings

On the dealer side

That's sketchy

What's more crazy is they are

Charging a number of these dealers with money laundering

Based on checks or wire transfers that they have received

now

That feels intense

Well, but we don't know why because the charges are essentially one paragraph

So we don't know why but but the the text of it says

Uh, so and so did unlawfully conduct a transaction involving monetary insurance of value exceeding $5,000 through a financial institution

With the intent to promote manage establish carry-on and facilitate criminal activity

Or knew the monetary instruments represented the proceeds of or were derived directly or indirectly from the proceeds of criminal activity

And violation of penal code section blah blah blah blah a felony

$443,741 check from an account at wells fargo bank

The question is

Did the crime happen before this like was this

proceeds or are they saying

That because you're planning to evade sales tax that this then is now money laundering because you're

Participating in a crime like your plan is to commit a crime as a result of this transaction

Ah, that's just

And if that's the case i'm like come on man money laundering conspiracy like just collect your sales tax

Move on

the the

now whistle and diesel

wants his his his uh day in in this

Not day in corp day in like the court of public opinion here because one of the articles did note that in 2024

the california department of tax and feed administration notified

uh california dealers that they were essentially like cracking down on this and make sure your ducks are in order

They sent letters and you know whistle and diesel and they never sent me a letter

They never sent me a warning. They just came and arrested me. Well

I don't think they sent a warning to these 14 individuals that are charged, but the lesson here is

Like looking at this 57 criminal charges money laundering conspiracy like those are big

Those are big penalties. This is long prison time

I know one of the guys who's named in here. He's a customer of mine. He's a nice guy

He he just didn't want to pay sales tax. He's been paying sales tax for every paid sales tax on the cars

He bought for me. I went back and my text messages and checked because i'm like looking at the timeline like

I I get it. I get it. They put Wesley Snipes in jail for tax evasion, but freaking one pay your taxes

On your cars. It's just it's not worth the fight. It's not worth staying up at night

To the government freaking give this up already like who who freaking cares

Like it's it's sales tax. You really like make it easier for people and they'll pay their sales tax

That's the thing is if you make it easier than not paying it people will usually just pay it exactly

exactly

Uh, anyway, if you would like to read more including the entire criminal complaint, we will reference all that stuff

we'll link all of the articles and

Press releases and stuff in the show notes so you can check it out. There's our opinion on it

I told you so I told you so I told you so this is going to keep happening

It's just not worth it

I did look up to see if whistlin diesel had any updates and

Nothing since he was arrested again in like january or something. So it's it's going to take a long time

These things take a long time to flesh out

Uh speaking of montana license plates

I accept the segway

Accept the segway plate to sample

We are going to read off a vanity plate and the other person has to guess

What in the world?

Car this plate goes on because the meaning is patently obvious people are advertising something about themselves. It's like a tattoo

And uh, can we accurately judge the stereotype? I've got four. You've probably got five

So I'll let you start and end. Oh, okay

Doug for you from mitchell m

If you want to send me license plates, you know, maybe I'm not as popular as dug

That's a really long vanity plate that you know, I realized I wanted to do that first

So I'll get to the plate in a second

You can go to switchcast.live and submit them right through the webpage

They'll come to my inbox and then we can try to trip dug up and embarrass him on his own show

Doug now the first plate for you oil leak

Audi

Aston martin no

No Ferrari nope

Audi no

Still no it is an e46 bmw

325 xi looks like no no

Well, there it's an Ohio plate so we can go find I don't know man

325 it's the inline four single valve cover like

325 is a six 323 is a four

Sorry, yeah 325 six still inline six one of the most reliable engines 25 relaked oil a bit

A little bit valve cover like where yeah

Valve covers is done a couple times like that's not one that's notorious for no, it's not there's there's way better cars that that would fit

It's one of the best engines ever made well now nobody else can have that plate in the state of Ohio too

They've stolen it. I guess so I guess so I am going I bought a car

I'm not gonna tell you I already have the vanity plate picked out you bought did you buy it when you were in Amelia?

No, I mean kind of I it's not in it's local. I made I got confirmation

I did try to buy it Amelia Island. We'll talk about that later, but I have a amazing vanity plate

We're gonna I got to keep this a secret from him. I got not posted on social media

Okay, this is gonna be tough. This is gonna be good though. Okay gay Ted

And the is this license plate frame. Yes, that's the license plate g a y t e d

No space and the license plate frame has a rainbow on it

Oh, this is gonna be like a Ferrari or a Lamborghini with a gated manual transmission. Dang it

That's I like that play. That's that's that's a it's a fun time tried to trip you up, but it's an Audi r8

Ah close enough. That's an astronaut

I'm just kidding. I was gonna say

It was the other meaning

I actually didn't check I should have that would have been the ultimate

up badging flex

For like who nobody's gonna get it. Uh, all right next up from john t. No spark

n o s p r k

is that a

Ford

Super duty new like a seven three diesel some sort of you're on the right track, but no

Uh, it can't be an ev because ev is all sparks, right? Yeah, lots of sparks. There's a

No spark

You were a Chevy spark. No

It is a diesel Mercedes ml 250. Okay, so as we're on the right track pretty close. That's a great plate. Okay

I'm proud of myself for at least getting this is a diesel. No, you dig it. All right. Uh, this one from john sabo at the cleavan auto show

Uh, Ohio plate one of three

And I guess I appreciate the honesty

It's not a corvette

Can't be they're all one other on it's impossible. Um, shoot

The heck is this gonna be one of three?

Is this some like a 60s muscle car? No

Um, is it a Mustang of sorts? It was a Mustang guy. Is it a corvette?

Nope. Okay. Yeah, I didn't think so. No, what is it? It's a sob

What?

Yeah, oh that tracks. I had to consult with my

resident sob expert nick kruger, but it's some rare color blue sob nine

five

Cabriolet aero package whatever so it's probably one of three

And I was like, you know, it honestly is probably just one of three total remaining period

Sob convertibles they didn't even need to get down to the options. Just it's just

There's only three good ones left. Yeah, there's an infamous website that has all the late sob production numbers broken down

Engine transmission color everything and sob owners love that website

Well, I love the website too because it's awesome

But like they are very proud that they can get those numbers. Yeah, and they're all and they're all

A lot of them are very low is a red sedan says something something rare

So this guy's really proud that his cars are rare

Which I just be more proud of that they're still like it's running running and not rusted out

I was looking the flex. I was looking for it

What was it a 93 vegan for a while because I thought they're pretty sweet and there's like none left in good shape

And they're all way too much money

All right, next up for you dug barb left

Corvette

No, it is a c6

Oh, probably had a c8 until she left and took all his money

And it looks pretty hopped up. There looks to be some support beam under the the transaxle or something

I don't know. It's a looks pretty toasty. So all righty

I don't know like

All right, carrying on even a car. I don't know the engine's normally back there for me. I don't

This one from uh, jason giordano

My cat

It's a jag. Yes

Wow, but what kind of jag is this going to be like an f type? No

Is it an s type? No

What else would it

Is it like a like an x kr or something x j r. Okay. I'll accept all black

Yeah, so it's a black cat

Michael m p before we go

Mm forward transit van because he's got nine kids

No, but your head's in the right direction 40 conalign van. No, not quite that GMC

Whatever their van is I some hunday crossover suv thing

I didn't I don't actually have the model and I don't it's just the hunday badge. Okay. All right

I'll give myself a quarter of a point for that one this one. I took at the amelia island concor

uh old shoe

Is this a bmw clown shoe? Dang it

It's too easy. I love the clown shoe the context and it's evergreen. Oh evergreen m coop. What? Yeah

Yeah, I want I want okay last one for last for you rosers

Browsers no rosers rosers

I feel like there's a reference here that I don't get so I'm not even gonna try to guess

Uh, it is a volts wagon westphalia done up with a polizei livery. So rosers is

Something james may always calls the police. Yes. Okay. I knew there was something there that I didn't know

Definitely not browsers though

Speaking of amelia island I was down at the amelia island concor this weekend and it's the plate

What a quick segue and uh, yeah, I'm getting good at this old old hat stuff is uh

Um speaking of old hat. I've got a new hat. This one is brought to you by our new sponsor

I'm gonna attempt to do a live sponsor read. Yeah, you know, you can um

No, okay, eventually we'll get this this

This is why it's a preview episode

All right, here we go again preview episode imagine two identical vehicles same year options mileage color and price the only difference

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One of them was used as a Porsche text

Well, this seems oddly specific

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All right last week we talked about our predictions of Amelia Island auction results

We did and I hate talking about number

listening to

Another automotive podcast, which I never do and they were waxing eloquent about numbers, but it really was just

I don't know. It's it's again. It's the whole money enthusiast thing. Correct. I like betting though. Well, no, that's

Right or wrong. So how did we do in terms of?

Uh, the old wonder I uh, did you have a good time, Doug? Because let me tell you I did not predict

How much I would miss going to Amelia this year. I was a sad boy. I had a great time

It was lighter that it was the auctions were more fun on two counts one

The numbers weren't crazy other than in a few very specific niches

Kind of what we heard about meekum Kasemi, right? You had the Bachman collection and the 918 paint to sample

Gulf orange whatever it was pure orange

Those weren't for crazy money. Everything else was business as usual and that was great. Like there was this exhale of just like

Oh cars are normal

People are evaluating them on their own merits not to like wow, what's it gonna be worth tomorrow tomorrow tomorrow

When I think that's something that really kills me and I like I like the betting

I like the oh, I like the seeing the cars and seeing the energy in the room and being a part of it

And I'm not bidding but like just being present. Yeah

What I don't find fun is when everything goes for millions of dollars

And I can't nor what I would think is a kind of normal stuff goes for bananas money and it's like well

I can't afford that like that's not fun to watch. It's not fun to experience

But a mirror going for zillions of dollars or whatever. Yeah. Yeah

The the best thing so obviously there's the the competition for moda miami rmsothabes took their talents to south beach and

How is that impacted Amelia now? I don't have the stats on you know the the actual number of participants number of cars

And and number of attendees of the actual Amelia concor, but I can tell you

from

A firsthand perspective

Like I could sit down at the gooding auction

Never in the 10 years that I've been going there have I've been able to just like have seats

Even if I had reserve seats, they were all full. They were all oversold. It was like the airlines

This was great. I had two seats and I had my 10 best friends next to me

It was like it just you could breathe you could move it was great

It didn't seem to impact the numbers significantly people were still bidding what they should bid on cars

Same thing at broad arrow. There are seats

And you just you had room to move and I like that because I'm agoraphobic

Obviously, they want the hype they want more and more and more and more people

But I'm like that doesn't make it better

There seemed to be a few less cars at the Amelia concor, but the quality was not lacking at all

It was really fantastic

Um, they moved the awards thing. They had this nice drive over

uh award station

Awards stand with the the club Amelia and and all the the spectators like right there. It seemed like a better layout

Um, there were some things they didn't do as well

But you know, that's it is what it is

But they they definitely made improvements over the first year that haggardy took it over. So it was a really good time

Um, and we did spend a lot of time at the auctions and I did try to buy a car there

You did I did. How are you feeling?

Fine, okay, uh, so

I wasn't going to talk about until it happened or didn't happen

but

Corvette c6 rs

Number 007 the red one the one that I had on consignment that I did a review with matt fairer of the smoking tire on

15 16 17 years ago

It's still up there if you want to go find the scorned lover car

That I tried to buy back that video's on vin wiki from like eight years ago

and

This car popped up at gooding. I'm like, I got to have that car back

It was lot number 101, which means it was the first car to go off on Friday morning at gooding

And nobody in the room knew or cared what it was except I heard rick hendrix was bidding on it

So I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, he tapped out before I did most other people were just like, what is this?

Why is there a corvette c6 here?

Um, and I was so cool against it. They oh

So when you bid at an auction

Car people will know this if you haven't done it before it's like they'll start an opening bid. You never you just sit there and wait

And this is what they did. They started at 100 grand. Nobody. Nobody. Nobody. All right. Give us 50

Nobody nobody nobody and I'm like, okay. I'm just gonna sit like I wanted that car. I was there to buy that car

I just sat sat and waited

Somebody bid 50 and I'm like

All right, 55

60 65 70 75 and it kind of like slowed down. I'm like

I'm gonna buy this car for 80 grand

Yeah, because it was no reserve. There's no reserve

For context the corvette c6 rs was built by pratt and miller. It is the street version

It's not a homologation, but it is a street version of the corvette c6 our race car

They actually used the body molds unlike kit cars that claim

Oh, we use real Ferrari molds over our fiera

No, they used the real molds from the corvette c6 r race car with all the louvers and everything the wide body

And it's a fully carbon fiber bodied corvette c6 with an 8.2 liter naturally aspirated k-tech engine

600 horsepower 600 foot-pounds of torque the torque curve isn't a curve. It's a friggin tabletop

And the interior is all redone with properly bolstered seats

That the average corvette owner couldn't fit in

Full leather with stitching and it's just like everything you complain about a

Corvette for being a general motors product they fixed it is the absolute best interior that's ever been in a corvette until the c8

Like it's just it's awesome. It's awesome. It's a proper car

There's seven of them all new suspension wheels brakes like it's a lamar car for the street

So i'm like nobody cares here nobody knows what it is

I'm gonna win this thing cheap and then I kept going and kept going and kept going kept going finally so it got up to 100

My last bid was 160 and I tapped out. There's nobody in the room bidding. It was just one phone bidder and me

In one phone bidder

And they won it for 165 grand so I didn't buy it

So onto a z8 get a fun z8 so but I would got two months

So yeah, you're really getting down to the wire

I pulled up the the stream from gooding and as I was joining a meeting for work and headed up like on the side as i'm trying to

See me bidding. No, well because they didn't look at the crowd. I was gonna be like, I know that guy

Well, I also wasn't like doing this. I had the the we sat next to the bid

You know, they stand on the platforms and stuff and I would just look at him and nod

So I know now so for context because I was googling here in the background

There is a yellow one that went at the end of february

So just like a couple of weeks ago that bid to 170 and bring a trailer correct the supercharge one number one

That one sold for 335 a couple years ago at gooding. Oh, so

Oh, that's the one we sold to a dealer and then they tried to sell it again at meekum kassimi

Or not kassimi, but a meekum sale at bid to 270 then a year later on bring a trailer bid to 170

so it's like

335 was obviously not the real number for that car

but uh, yeah, I I definitely wanted to own that corvette again

but

It's a very difficult car to use the way I use cars

Because of something happen if you crack one of those carbon fiber panels that was made from the molds from the lema car by

Miller

Like call them up. Okay. Just ship me another panel

Uh, okay. Well, let's find out who we can have manufacturer. We'll get back to you in a few months like

It's not a car. You can just use normally. So

Um, okay, but let's talk about our bets

Uh, we will refresh your memory. You don't have to go back and listen to the old episode

But if you want to you can

We bet on what estimates were low or high

We're just way off and what cars would exceed or fall short of the auction houses estimates

Let's see how we did starting with gooding

The Porsche Carrera GT with 800 miles

Their estimate was 1.5 to 1.8. I believe it was I called that their estimate was way low

I was super right the most right. I'll be for this entire segment

It hammered for 2.8 25, which is more than a million bucks over their high estimate

I bet gooding loves being wrong like that. It's good for marketing

And I love it when I'm that wrong on the right side as well

That better than the other way

Your turn. All right. So I was pretty certain that that roof

928 would pop off because somebody was gonna just go bananas over it and it did not

So the an app we love to use to look at these prices hammer price still lists it as not sold

Surprisingly, so it must have sold after the fact because gooding's website lists it as sold at 335

Which is insane. So let me let me tell you about that car. Were you there when this went across? I was there

Okay, it's a roof fin car which typically means like when we think about like roof

Rgt's for example of which there was two down there a roof fin car means roof bought a chassis

and an engine from Porsche and

Maybe some body panels and they essentially disassembled the car disassembled the engine made it from scratch

It is their own car. They manufactured the car and they

You know, they've done everything from

What we might consider mild performance mods and suspension to full

We created a car from the ground up and engineered our own chassis

in my opinion the 928 r

Below any of those it was not originally made by them

It was I think a Japanese collector who wanted the car and sent it to them and said hey

Build this so it's like the equivalent of buying a bunch of roof parts and sticking them on they did nothing to the motor which is

A crappy motors a 928 s4. It's an automatic transmission car. They put ceramic brakes wheels on it

Like maybe some suspension like it the car looked like a 928 with roof wheels on it

There was nothing special about it. And when we got there

The sun was shining in just right

That

The front fender was black and the door was gray. Oh the paint

Job was terrible on that car once the sun went away and it was in shadows again. It matched again. Oh, yeah, but

I just

To me a hundred thousand dollars was too much for that car

It did nothing for me a 928 gts

In my opinion besides the roof badge and the roof hype and I love you roof. I love all you people there

I'm not trying to you know hate on roof. I think they're awesome. Take a roof over a singer any day this car

Should not have a roof in and it shouldn't go for 300 grand like I I the the person who buys this

Is probably gonna be like

Oh, I have a purchase hangover

Well, yeah, because it's because I was assuming without knowing anything. I didn't do any research

I was like, oh man like a hot rod

928 by roof is gonna be sweet people are gonna pay up for and that's not what it is. No

Nope, so I was wrong. We were all wrong. We were all wrong

Diablo six liter that gooding had I said their estimate was way low is 550 to 650 k

There's multiple transactions recently that say that that was low. I was half right the high asmo 650 it sold for 675

I'm gonna say there's a reason why I was only half right

In my opinion, it is unfortunate that the photo showed it as essentially pewter

When it was actually gray they made grizzio and terrors look like grizzio ingrid and we all know how people feel about grizzio ingrid

It's old man tan. It's the same color as the ai catillac deville

I'm bringing trailer and every other catillac deville in bokeh retone florida

Because we got there and I saw it. I'm like, this is gray. I thought it was gold even in the description on classic.com

I said gray gold

I'm like, what no, this is a gray car and it was beautiful

I legitimately think and I checked. I'm wearing my dynamic photo works

shirt

Our boy josh is a photographer for gooding and other people who does it on contract and I texted him. I'm like, did you photograph this car?

Because I'm about to roast you

I think that those photos cost that car a hundred grand

Because if you looked at it online

And saw that you go, I don't want a gold diablo

Yeah, and that's it and I didn't look at it afterwards and I noticed it's what the color they call titanium

Which was common on the 6o's and that color

Does photograph very differently in different lights. Yeah, a lot of times it'll look

Very gray other times. It'll be this

goldish

Brownish hue. Yeah, this looks so gold. It does not look gray at all credit to the photographer

They probably went, oh man, this color is popping like from a photographic artistic perspective

100% win

But if you understand the automotive market that that color is terrible for resales the kiss of death, then you go

We got to redo these we have to show the color for what it is

I was right again on the 968 turbo s and the

964 968 turbo rs both of them were

Predicted to be the first million dollar 968. I said the world is not ready for that

I was correct the turbo s no sailed at 775 and the turbo rs sold for 700

I just look I I love a 968. I think they look awesome. I think it's a cool piece of Porsche history

They're great to drive the only way that we will get to a million dollar 968 is when inflation takes us there

I mean, it's already gotten us way too close

But like they're in no way is any of them worth that kind of money. Just not it

It's fine everybody. You can accept that. It's not going to be like a 911

My picks for deals of that auction. There's always good deals that people are sleeping on

2017 Aston Martin v12 vantage s seven speed manual one of 36 in the u.s at hammered for measly 215 grand probably the best

Driving experience you can buy for that cheap and there's a 2002 ferrari 575 m f1 in roso fiorano with a

beautiful two-tone brown and beige interior

Uh sabo and I looked at that very closely. We planned to bid we left

I didn't text my guy at good thing to be like, hey bid on this it hammered for a measly

125

And we were gonna stick swap that drive it for season and then sell it on bring a trailer for 200 because that's probably what it

Would go in burgundy car with two tone

beige

Daytona seats like

It was beautiful. It was a clean from the photos. That was a gorgeous car

It was gorgeous in person all the headlight seals all the window seals were good like that car was money

And it didn't bring the money. It was very close to the end of the auction. That's not always a good thing

Uh, so that that was our our miss of the auction because we should have picked that one up

You know, I assumed that the xjr 15 was going to go cheap

But it actually didn't it sold right in smack in the middle of the of the estimate at like a million bucks

So I I'm just not good at this stuff. I'm four for four. I'm I am very not good at this

But I try right the the roof and to always go plus or minus a million bucks

What about the roof uh the the roof at uh bed broad arrow did go above estimate at least the rg

One of the rgt's the orange over red tan went for 300. Yes

And we should cover four of the 17

Worldwide roof v in rgt's have sold in the last couple weeks

Gooding 31,000 mile blue gray car sold for 245 broad arrow the 32,000 mile orange car sold for 300

Dupont registry live a 36k mile car in silver with I think the wrong recaro seats

They're not the same euro. Yeah, all the other ones have that doesn't mean it's the wrong one

Maybe it's spec differently. Anyway, that one sold for 281 five, which I think was all the money for that

I'm surprising to me. That was the most boring one because it was just silver. Yeah

And bring a trailer midnight gray with 19,000 miles sold for 306. So by far

I think the best deal was the one at gooding

For for 245 plus fees about 265 with fees

I wonder when the last time that many of them changed hands in like a month. It was probably when they were new

Well, they're 2001. We're at 25 years

So they can be imported so people are bringing them in now previously you were limited to I think the four that they

Officially imported originally to the United States. So all of a sudden now people are bringing them over and trying to make bank

off of the arbitrage

Okay, uh, is that all of yours at gooding?

Yeah, okay, broad arrow

I said the 360 challenge stradale the estimate was low that it could kiss a million because we referenced a 2600 mile car on bat

Uh, which sold for 971 thousand dollars granted that one had a factory stripe

Which still rains the supreme in stradale world and it was the launch spec of rosa skirtaria with the red and black alcantara interior

So big money there the estimate

Uh for the one at broad arrow, which had 3,800 miles rosa skirtaria black leather

No stripe was six to 700k. I thought that was low. Well, it sold for the high estimate of 700

So I was somewhat wrong

But we've talked before about like online auctions versus in person

So if you think about it the delta

You know forgetting the

Difference in specs and whatever like you could say the delta is due to the stripe

But the delta between what the seller net on the bring-a-trailer sale and the broad arrow sale is nearly

350,000 dollars

For almost identical cars

That's crazy. This this is why as much as I enjoy the spectacle and the experience of a physical auction

It's awesome. It's so much fun. I just I don't understand why people sell their cars there

Like you're you're 25 behind right or 20 behind right off the bat between what the buyer pays and what you net

Versus an online auction platform

Audience is smaller it's like it's very specific. You've got to be in the know or at the event and it's yeah

Also the vin on the stradale ended in 6 6 6 which any car besides the diablo might be a deterrent

Like I'm you may think i'm joking, but that's a very real thing for car buyers of certain cultures. I was once asked

About a crerogy t that I had for sale and the buyer's first

Criteria their first question was does the vin end in six?

Because if so they weren't gonna buy it

That's insane to me right so to have a stradale ending in 6 6 6 like there's a lot of people that are superstitious enough

That they wouldn't buy it

Which that's cool. I'm not superstitious. I'm just a little stitious

So I'd still buy it

Your turn all right well, we've already talked about um

I brought up the rgt already and then we've talked about the the 9 6 8s

So we really just like blew away my top my uh all of my guesses off the rip

Were you right or wrong on the rgt? I forgot already. I was right that it was gonna go for more

Good, it wasn't like a crazy amount more, but it was a high estimate was 280 right on that one

Yeah, some are in there so it did exceed the estimate good

Um, but then the obviously we've talked about the 9 6 8s didn't hit the estimate went for like 7 75

Yeah, just still a lot of money for a 9 6 8 still a lot of money

My other one was a 997.2 gt3 rs. It was a white car

No particular

options

To set it apart from others. I said the estimate was way high which was 450 to 550

I was right it hammered for 395 which is still more than I thought it would fetch. I think I lost a

In-person bet with whoever I was betting on the over under there

We set a number and bet a dollar and I think I lost that bet, but I'm like well still

Still won the switch cast that's just so much money

So much oh my goodness so much money

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Pick of the week pick of the week is a car that we've had before it's a 1982 portion ninal ebbon sc

Outlaw build steel wide body fenders irok style

Front and rear bumpers

lightweight interior 3.6 liter vario ram engine

Still the 915 gearbox but it's got the wevo shifter and wevo engine and transmission mounts

Elephant racing suspension parts it is light it is stiff

It is powerful and it makes a mental sound and you can buy for only $120,000. It is awesome. It's a true

Quality build which is rare in the outlaw world

Our flop of the week and prop of the week are going to be

Amelia island related our flop of the week

Gooding christie's new logo. So it's no longer gooding in company. It's gooding christie's

merger buyout whatever it was

So they merged the companies and unfortunately also merged the logos

It looks like an aerial font g inside of times new roman c

Big swing and a miss and the the color change from blue to red sucks

Yeah

I pulled up the stream and was so disappointed because you used to walk in and it was this elegant blue and everything was very chill

And whatever now it was just this like red in your face. So yeah, but all the people are still there

And I have to say overall I prefer the experience of the gooding auction to the others

Charlie as the auctioneer is fun. His energy is great. It's amazing. I think they employ a lot of

Superb car enthusiasts. I'm not saying that the other ones don't by just I I love the overall experience of gooding

versus the others. So just

Fix your dang logo. I feel like both of them had big egos and they're like, I want my font. No, I want my font

Okay, well, we'll just do both of them because we can't and just give just somebody just somebody

Give up your ego for the greater good

The greater gooding

Change it to papyrus

Uh, a prop of the week

record sale for a Lamborghini mirror at broad arrow and for good reason

It was a late p400sv with a split sump oiling system

Which is simply just separate

oil

systems for the engine and gearbox

which

You know until

I would have I guess in modern times we just think like that's an that just always existed

But apparently it didn't I was gonna say isn't like every car like that. I thought they were two separate things

Right. Well, it was a big deal then because then oh, well, we can run the correct

type of oil in each one. Can you imagine putting 75 90 in your engine?

Huh like glue

Well, and then you're not you know intermixing

Gear material if you miss a gear into your engine

So that's a big deal for that car. It's a good color blue, right blue is the color of money nowadays

All original car low original miles. I think it was 18,000 miles incredible provenance

It was the right car to set a record and it sold for over six million dollars, which is like just the new

Standard for supercars. It's like a you know paint sample career gt paint sample 918

F50 etc like they're just all six plus now. That's just the new

Million-dollar mark. I did appreciate that it was actually a paint to sample career gt

And not something somebody painted at some point and all the friggin influencer yabbo's are talking about like

Paint the sample

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