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Welcome to Car Stuff, a production of iHeartRadio's How Stuff Works.
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Well, folks, by now you know what that music means.
01:44
Welcome back to Car Stuff.
01:47
I am one of your hosts today, Ben Bullet.
01:50
And I'm Kurt Garen.
01:52
And Kurt, I've got to tell you,
01:54
you and I are both pretty fortunate when it comes to our commutes
01:58
in this our fair metropolis of Atlanta.
02:01
How far away would you say you are from the office?
02:03
Minute-wise or mile-wise?
02:05
Nah, I'm foreign to state you and I recognize a local when I hear one, man.
02:10
I would say four miles.
02:12
Okay. So that would be between 15 minutes and an hour.
02:16
Right, depending because as we know,
02:19
if you are like anyone else living in Atlanta,
02:24
from the wealthiest person to the poorest person,
02:27
the oldest and the youngest of drivers,
02:29
then you are in an eternal battle
02:32
with this city's sworn nemesis that is traffic.
02:37
You know, I'm not going to leave you hanging out there, man.
02:39
I will, I'll give you my side of the story too.
02:42
Right now, I live in the same neighborhood where our offices
02:47
and traffic is so bad in this neighborhood
02:51
that it is honestly faster for me to walk a lot of places
02:55
than it is to drive, especially during rush hour,
02:58
which is I think when you're four mile commute stretches to an hour, right?
03:03
And before then, when our office many years ago was located
03:10
in a different neighborhood closer to downtown Atlanta,
03:13
I had a commute that could easily stretch
03:17
to an hour and 30 minutes.
03:20
And it was one of those things where it didn't matter
03:23
what side streets I took.
03:24
It didn't matter what kind of shortcuts I used.
03:27
Like, if I didn't leave by 4 p.m.,
03:30
I was just going to stay there till at least 6.30.
03:35
In previous episodes of car stuff,
03:37
we've covered different aspects of traffic,
03:39
the best worst cities for drivers,
03:41
world's largest traffic jams on and on and on.
03:44
But today, you and I are going to look at something just a bit different.
03:49
It's a question for many of our fellow listeners to ponder
03:54
while you are stuck in traffic.
03:56
Because I was thinking about this, man,
03:58
what do you think the odds are that someone listening
04:00
to today's episode is listening while they're in gridlock?
04:04
The odds are pretty high.
04:05
You think so? I think so.
04:07
Well, try not to let the road rage get you.
04:10
Today, we are tackling this question.
04:12
How much does traffic actually cost us here in the US,
04:18
both as individuals and as a country?
04:22
To answer that question,
04:24
we have to lay everybody knows what traffic is.
04:26
Kurt, if you and I were stuck in traffic
04:29
and someone was explaining to us what traffic is,
04:33
I might get a little irritated.
04:34
So let's cut past that and let's just go to traffic jams
04:39
and what's one of the biggest first questions we have about them?
04:42
Why are traffic jams so prevalent?
04:44
The simple answer would be there's a lot of cars on the road.
04:47
However, there are complexities to that.
04:50
And here in Atlanta, we have eight lanes of traffic
04:52
on either side of the interstates.
04:53
And traffic still somehow gets bottled next.
04:56
So the jam is going to be happening way ahead of you,
05:00
probably where two lanes maybe exit onto another interstate
05:04
and folks wait to the last minute to get over into those two lanes
05:08
and someone has to hit their brakes.
05:09
And basically there's this domino effect
05:11
that ripples back into traffic and causes a jam for miles and miles back.
05:15
I guess that's the easiest every day example.
05:18
Yeah, and then as people drive
05:21
and make these risky moves to get over to the exit,
05:25
an accident may happen.
05:26
So then you have compounded the issue, you have a bottleneck
05:29
and then you have an accident.
05:30
You can easily see how traffic can get out of hand
05:33
when there's a bunch of cars on the road.
05:35
So it's not just the amount of cars.
05:36
It's myriad other factors.
05:38
Yeah, yeah, I like that you're pointing out
05:40
the perfect word for this compounding
05:44
because just like compounding interests,
05:46
those little taps on the brake pedal add up.
05:49
There's an accretional, as you said, domino effect
05:54
that applies such that this little tap on the brakes,
05:58
maybe a short pause, call it two to three seconds, right?
06:04
The car in front of you stopped suddenly
06:06
so you have to tap your brakes just two to three seconds
06:09
and then you all start to roll along maybe 20 miles an hour.
06:14
You get up to that.
06:15
But everybody behind you is also tapping their brakes
06:18
and they have to tap them for a longer amount of time
06:21
until you could be as far as a mile back
06:24
and everybody has stopped.
06:26
This is a thing that we can't really blame on one person.
06:30
It's a group behavior
06:32
and things get more complicated
06:34
when we ask why there are so many cars
06:38
and why are the roads overloaded?
06:40
Despite the fact that we build so many extra lanes,
06:45
we're continually trying to make bigger and better roads
06:50
and trying to maintain them.
06:52
Our pal, Jonathan Strickland,
06:57
longtime colleague of ours,
06:58
friend of the show,
06:59
he's been on car stuff a number of times.
07:01
He hosts a show called Tech Stuff
07:04
and a couple of other podcasts here at iHeartRadio.
07:08
He also, before we even started podcasting,
07:11
he would write articles for our parent website,
07:16
And he wrote an article called How Traffic Works,
07:19
which is a pretty good read.
07:21
Don't let him know that I said this,
07:23
Jonathan's a pretty sharp guy.
07:25
And the way that he breaks it down,
07:27
there are two broad concepts
07:29
to play when we talk about traffic jams.
07:31
The first is network overload.
07:34
The second is traffic disturbances.
07:39
it's the fancy phrase for the idea
07:42
that we already proposed.
07:44
And that is simply demand and supply, right?
07:48
Demand for room on the road, supply of room on the road.
07:52
There are these bottlenecks
07:54
where traffic just inevitably seems to exceed
07:57
the road's capability to handle cars.
07:59
That happens a lot here in Atlanta.
08:01
We've got a bunch of two to four lane surface streets
08:07
where a lot of people want to make left turns,
08:10
but there are no left hand turns signals.
08:13
And you probably in your own commute
08:16
have some bottlenecks that you've run into.
08:19
The road that I take home is a four lane road.
08:21
There aren't left turn lanes,
08:23
so it's just divided, you know,
08:24
just like a little divided highway.
08:27
And it's a fairly major back road
08:30
into downtown Atlanta to and from.
08:32
And so as far as network overload goes,
08:34
if there's just a bunch of people
08:36
trying to get to the same place.
08:37
And like you said, problems will arise
08:39
with the whole left turn thing.
08:41
People need to get to their neighborhood
08:42
and they need to turn left to do it.
08:44
And there may or may not be a left turn arrow there.
08:46
So you have cars stacking up behind this person.
08:49
Turning left and then inevitably,
08:51
they're going to want to get over into the right lane
08:53
to ease around the person turning left.
08:55
Is that ripple effect that just goes back and back?
08:57
And then you put other stop lights into the equation.
09:02
Yeah, and think about this hypothetical moment.
09:04
Let's put ourselves in this situation.
09:06
So you're trying to get around someone
09:08
who is making a left hand turn.
09:10
You see a space that opens up in the right lane
09:14
and you can accelerate and escape this congestion.
09:17
The person behind you can accelerate a few minutes later.
09:21
The person behind them can accelerate a few moments
09:24
These other people in the right lane
09:26
that you got in front of.
09:28
This doesn't mean the congestion immediately clears up,
09:32
although it feels like it does
09:34
because we're generally looking forward in our cars
09:38
behind us, this problem is just traveling
09:42
in the other direction, traveling behind us, this congestion.
09:45
And this is something called the traffic wave effect.
09:49
Imagine the domino effect on wheels,
09:52
but also the escalating agglomerative nature
09:55
of the snowball effect, where the problem worsens,
09:58
the further and further it goes.
10:01
So that's the first thing, network overload.
10:04
Second thing, traffic disturbances,
10:06
they're exactly what they sound like, right?
10:08
That is a broad term.
10:09
Immediately my mind goes to accidents,
10:12
fender benders, things of that nature,
10:14
sometimes caused by the network overload itself.
10:17
Yeah, that's the thing that I think most of us think of right now.
10:22
And going back to you listener, they're in traffic.
10:26
I'm sure that if you live in a city like ours,
10:30
in your commute, you will see at least one or two accidents,
10:34
hopefully everyone's okay, or breakdowns.
10:37
You know, a flat tire, overheated engine, something like that.
10:42
You'll also see road construction and repair.
10:45
That counts as a traffic disturbance.
10:47
And you'll see harsh weather conditions,
10:51
which, you know, our city gets a hard time for,
10:54
because it just takes a little bit of snow
10:57
and the city shuts down.
10:58
When was that 2014?
11:00
They called it the snow apocalypse.
11:03
Yeah, we can't, the thing about traffic disturbances
11:06
that differentiates them from network overload
11:10
is that we can, with enough study and analysis,
11:14
understand and predict network overload,
11:17
these inevitable bottlenecks,
11:19
but we cannot predict traffic disturbances.
11:23
Although we cannot predict traffic disturbances,
11:26
we can say that they always spell problems for commuters.
11:30
No one is ever driving down a six lane highway
11:35
to see two of the lanes in their direction closed off
11:38
and going, oh great, construction, awesome.
11:41
You know, I'm harping on Atlanta
11:43
because that's where we have our daily driving experience.
11:47
But no one in this city sees those famous metal plates
11:51
on the road and says, oh great, what a good job.
11:55
I'm starting to get the feeling that they're more
11:57
of a permanent fix than a temporary fix,
11:59
but it's just a giant metal plate,
12:00
this placed over a hole for an indefinite amount of time
12:03
that the county city DOT makes in the road.
12:07
And you don't really want to hit it going full speed,
12:11
so it's a slow down and thus the domino effect
12:15
behind you will take place,
12:16
but these appear all over the place and often unannounced.
12:19
I mean, you hit it one time and you know it's there,
12:21
but the first time to me is always a surprise.
12:24
There's actually one right at the entrance to my neighborhood,
12:26
so it's always one to kind of glide over that on my way home.
12:31
One other sidebar, don't mean to throw us too far off track,
12:35
but I finally saw this phenomenon a couple weekends ago.
12:41
And it was a rainy Sunday,
12:43
just driving down 285 Interstate 285
12:46
that goes around Atlanta.
12:47
And I'm driving and I see a pair of headlights coming
12:54
So I finally saw the phenomenon of the car driving down
12:57
the wrong side of the interstate,
12:58
which happens more than you think.
13:02
I don't even know how this car got it.
13:06
That's fast and furious level dangerous.
13:11
So the rest of the day I'm checking the news to see what happened
13:13
with this car going down the wrong side of 285.
13:16
They never heard anything of it again.
13:18
Were they in this slow?
13:20
I mean, what even is the slow lane
13:22
if you're going to the wrong direction?
13:23
But this, get this.
13:24
This person was in the left shoulder.
13:28
There's maybe a eight or nine foot retaining wall
13:32
concrete there, then between that and the left lane.
13:35
And they were going fairly quickly.
13:38
I guess they realized they were going the wrong way.
13:40
That's why they weren't on the road.
13:42
I don't even know how you get off of 285
13:45
from the left lane going the wrong way.
13:47
I just don't know how I don't know how you get on.
13:49
And then from there, I don't know how you would get off.
13:52
Yeah, because to get off, you have to cut across
13:54
the entirety of traffic in that direction,
13:57
which is eight, six lanes maybe.
14:01
This is right there in spaghetti junction area.
14:05
So that, first off, I'm glad you're OK.
14:09
Secondly, everybody listening, please, please, please,
14:13
pay attention to the wrong way signs.
14:15
I know traffic signs can seem overall kind of negative.
14:19
It's no turn here, no you turn, wrong way.
14:23
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14:24
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14:25
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Just the steers back on course here.
16:37
So traffic signs, that's one thing that could
16:40
alleviate some of this network overload
16:42
that we were talking about.
16:44
DOT and work crews do their best to alert people
16:48
to oncoming construction.
16:49
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:50
So you know, two miles ahead.
16:51
Two left lanes closed.
16:54
All right, lanes closed.
16:55
Yeah, days ahead, even.
16:56
Even with accidents, you had the signs, accident,
16:59
sinter lane, three miles before this exit.
17:04
Why the folks wait till the last minute to get over?
17:08
Now, I'm going to give the benefit of the doubting
17:10
to the driver and say they were focused so much
17:12
on what they were doing that they didn't see the sign.
17:15
And they're looking at the road.
17:16
Eyes forward, just paying attention.
17:18
Because there's a lot going on.
17:19
However, if you move over early, it releases some of this stop
17:24
and go tension that we feel that gets escalated
17:26
further back, you go down the road.
17:28
I completely agree with you with what you're saying.
17:30
But I think for some people, they feel
17:32
that if they get over to the right
17:34
because the left lane's closed or something two miles ahead,
17:37
they feel like they're getting in a longer line
17:41
and it's going to be slower.
17:43
And they should just push the issue.
17:44
Drive is close to the closure as possible.
17:47
Zip in at the last second.
17:49
It's also true, technically, traffic is better for everyone
17:52
if every driver practices the zipper merge.
17:56
But the zipper merge doesn't happen in Atlanta.
17:59
Atlanta's a very difficult city to drive in
18:03
because for some reason, people who drive here
18:07
and honestly, myself included,
18:08
I'm not going to throw stones in this glass house.
18:11
For some reason, all of us have this sort of mad max mentality
18:16
when it comes to the road.
18:17
And I know the road that you take home, dude.
18:20
I have been on that road.
18:21
I used to have that commute.
18:22
People are monsters on that one.
18:26
And they're very close lanes.
18:28
They're not as wide as a lot of other streets here in Atlanta.
18:31
What does this all mean?
18:34
How does this work out?
18:35
We have a stat for you.
18:36
According to the 2007 Urban Mobility Report
18:39
from the Texas Transportation Institute traffic incidents
18:44
counted for between 52 and 58% of the delays
18:48
we all experience in traffic.
18:50
What that means is while there may be
18:52
these unavoidable bottlenecks, you know what I mean?
18:55
Like two interstate exits that are very close
18:59
to one another, exit and entrance ramps
19:01
and something where everybody has to try to go left
19:04
while everybody's trying to go right.
19:06
While those bottlenecks do exist
19:08
more than half of the reasons that we have traffic jams
19:12
are going to be those traffic incidents.
19:14
Road construction, accidents, breakdowns, things like that.
19:19
However, there's another factor at play here
19:21
and this comes to us from a private industry traffic
19:25
analyst called InRix, I-N-R-I-X.
19:29
This was referenced in another House of Works article
19:33
by our contributing writer Sherees Threewitt
19:36
who is a top notch expert on all things automotive.
19:40
So InRix has their own term for a network overload.
19:44
It's a traffic hotspot.
19:46
According to InRix, these traffic hotspots
19:51
are responsible for huge amounts of traffic congestion
19:54
and huge amounts of lost cash.
19:58
We know a little bit about how they started
20:02
to break down the concept of traffic
20:06
and how they ultimately arrived at a financial answer.
20:10
So we're going to walk through how they figured out
20:13
what a traffic hotspot was, how they analyzed it,
20:16
and then ultimately, how much it costs.
20:19
In 2017, InRix launched a US transportation study.
20:23
They called it the health of the road.
20:26
So they had to define what a hotspot was.
20:28
InRix used a cloud-based traffic analysis tool
20:31
called roadway analytics.
20:33
They analyzed the areas with frequent traffic jams
20:36
and they narrowed those down to spots
20:38
where the speeds were typically observed
20:40
to drop below 65% of normal of the non-congested speed
20:44
for at least two minutes.
20:46
If, for instance, they're looking at a road
20:48
where the speed limit is 55,
20:51
if it drops below 65% of that from more than two minutes,
20:55
it's a traffic hotspot, right?
20:57
In a hotspot, traffic will slow less than half its usual pace
21:01
and the study also looked at economic costs
21:03
in terms of wasted time, loss, fuel, and carbon emissions
21:06
over the next decade.
21:08
So that kind of describes what they consider to be cost,
21:12
I guess, because we have cost on our well-being
21:18
Sure, yeah, it's a, yeah, it's a, it's a umbrella term.
21:21
Well, here's where the rubber hits the road, folks,
21:24
and the nation's wallet.
21:26
If you live near a city and you also drive a car,
21:30
you can't do very much to avoid traffic.
21:33
It's just there with you.
21:34
It's gonna follow you like a shadow.
21:36
A 2007 study showed that in 28 urban areas across the U.S.,
21:41
drivers spend, get this,
21:43
an entire work week's worth of time
21:46
sitting in traffic each year.
21:49
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21:54
you're losing an entire week, five days,
21:57
nine to five of your life sitting in your car.
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The worst example we found was Los Angeles.
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In Los Angeles, drivers lose almost two weeks a year,
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And this does have serious consequences.
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I'm glad you mentioned people's personal well-being
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here, Kurt, which is tough to put a price on that.
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But we can estimate the cost of traffic
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through a couple of different lenses.
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In 2005, the estimated cost of traffic to the nation
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was more than $78 billion in fuel and wasted time alone.
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So that's like we take the average income of someone
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And then we say, well, this is the money
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that could have been made if they weren't stuck
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And then we also say, this is the amount of,
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this is the price for gallon of fuel.
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It's how many cars were delayed,
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there's how much the fuel cost.
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Add those numbers together and get $78 billion.
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It's missing important things.
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It doesn't factor in stuff like damage to the environment,
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possibly still kind of hard to quantify.
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And it doesn't factor in health cost,
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whether that is your physical health or your mental health.
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I mean, I'm sure there have been a couple of people
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who went to a therapist or something
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because of their road rage.
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What about wear and tear on the roads?
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Very good call, yeah.
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So Americans bought 2.9 billion extra gallons of gas
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because of traffic congestion than 2005.
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And the average annual cost to an individual driver
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And that's just due to the extra time
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that you spend on the road because of congestion.
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Yeah, and let's go back to Enrex.
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Let's look at, let's drill down into a specific example.
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Enrex found that the single worst traffic hotspot
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in the country, the single worst network overload instance
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or bottleneck is near Fredericksburg, Virginia.
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It's on Interstate 95 South at Exit 133A.
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And technically, I don't know this true,
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but technically that means that if you are stuck
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in traffic right now and listening to this show,
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you have a higher than average likelihood
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of being gridlocked there at 95 South Exit 133A.
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Anybody who's been through that, write to us.
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I mean, write to us when you're not driving.
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Let us know if this thing is as much of a bruiser
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as it sounds because in Fredericksburg, Virginia,
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at that one spot in the entire country,
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drivers are losing an estimated $2.3 billion through 2026,
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$2.3 billion, one stretch of Interstate 95 South Exit 133A.
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$2.3 billion, that's crazy.
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And the numbers get higher too, right?
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In conclusion, the report said that across all 25 cities
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that they studied, traffic hotspots will cost drivers $480 billion
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during the next 10 years and lost time,
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wasted fuel and carbon emitted.
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When that is broaded out across the country
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as a whole, the cost of these hotspots is expected to reach.
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Oh, Kurt, Kurt, Kurt, can we get a drum roll real quick?
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Yes, so the cost of these hotspots
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is expected to reach $2.2 trillion.
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And that's trillion with a T, $2.2 trillion
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Is that even real money at that point?
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I can't, I mean, I can't.
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Are there trillionaires?
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Is there someone with a trillion dollars?
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And that is a real number, $2.2 trillion.
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That's the answer to today's episode.
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If you look at the cost of lost time,
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wasted fuel, carbon emitted from now to 2026,
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it's going to hit $2.2 trillion in expenses.
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And of course, that is an incomplete number.
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We can't put a genuine hard number
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on the quality of time lost to traffic, right?
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Because we can say a work week,
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we can say a person makes so-and-so per hour or per year
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and do the math that way.
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But we can't put a price on the time
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that drivers could be spending with their family,
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their friends, their loved ones.
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We can't put a price on the cost of going to a psychiatrist
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because of your traffic nightmares.
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And of course, I don't know if we can,
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but we have not yet put an annual cost
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on the court cases for road rage, hopefully we're kidding.
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But there's stuff we can't price out.
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And the added risk of driving in congested areas is...
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Yeah, we didn't even mention the cost of insurance,
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which changes based on where you live.
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And a lot of that is due to reports of crime or accidents, right?
29:24
So, there ends our story.
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Hopefully, the congestion that you were in
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while you were listening to today's show
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has eased up a bit.
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You're getting back up to speed.
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You've made it through your local traffic hotspot
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and you only paid a bit of that $2.2 trillion in lost time.
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And this ends our episode, but not our show.
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We want to know your traffic war stories.
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What is the worst traffic jam you've ever been in?
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Briefly, let's see, I think the worst one that I was ever in
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probably was about...
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Not too bad actually, it was about four hours.
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I get stuck in traffic on an interstate where there was
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a major accident and I was really irritated about it
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until in the distance, like several miles ahead,
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I saw a helicopter taking off and I realized
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that whoever was in that accident,
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it was getting a life flight to a hospital
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and that put things in perspective.
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That made me think, you know what?
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Being four hours late or being held up like that
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is still better than being in a terrible accident.
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So everybody stays safe.
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I don't know, Kurt, do you have any crazy traffic stories?
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That's nothing on that one.
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The longest I've ever spent in a traffic jam
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and additional to the time that it would have taken to get
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there was maybe a couple hours in the DC area.
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Oh yeah, that's four hours is pretty intense.
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You were driving in DC, man.
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Oh, through DC, yeah.
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In that I-95, the whole road is a disaster,
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especially up through there.
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Oh, that's the last thing.
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Oh, I have to mention, okay.
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I don't know if anybody else does this,
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but when I'm driving, I am pretty,
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I'll be pretty forgiving or judgmental based on
31:24
the county and the state of license plates in our city.
31:29
If I see someone making a foolish left hand turn
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and their license plate tells me
31:34
that they're from out of town, I get it.
31:36
You may not know that that became a turn lane,
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you may not know there wasn't a turn,
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that kind of stuff, because you're unfamiliar.
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But if I see somebody with city plates
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and they are doing something shistly,
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they're driving poorly, then-
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They're doing it on purpose.
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Very much, I'm back to Mad Max, yeah.
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And they shall be judged.
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I'm with you on that always, yeah.
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