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The FTC Is Finally Cracking Down on Dealer Pricing Bullshittery

The FTC Is Finally Cracking Down on Dealer Pricing Bullshittery

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The Straight Shift with The Car Chick breaks down the FTC’s latest warning letters to dealerships and what “bullshittery” looks like in real pricing ads. The host walks through how dealers can advertise misleading discounts, hide mandatory fees, and bury lease/loan terms in fine print—then shows how a shopper’s deal can flip when eligibility claims change. With enforcement complicated by legal process, she still urges shoppers to get an out-the-door quote and verify rebate conditions.

Technical Too Afraid to Ask
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fake discounts

"I'm talking about those hidden fees, the fake discounts, all the add-ons, impossible rebates, even advertising vehicles that don't actually exist."

Fake discounts are when the dealer advertises a deal that looks cheaper, but the savings aren’t real. The final price can end up being about the same—or worse—once everything is added.

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add-ons

"I'm talking about those hidden fees, the fake discounts, all the add-ons, impossible rebates, even advertising vehicles that don't actually exist."

Add-ons are extra items the dealer tries to sell on top of the car. They can make the deal more expensive, even if they weren’t part of the original price you were quoted.

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impossible rebates

"I'm talking about those hidden fees, the fake discounts, all the add-ons, impossible rebates, even advertising vehicles that don't actually exist."

Impossible rebates are discounts the dealer advertises, but you can’t actually get them in real life. Usually it’s because the fine print makes them hard or impossible to qualify for.

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bullshittery

"In other words, what I call bullshittery. For those of you who are newer to my podcast... She coined the term bullshittery several years ago to describe the kind of sketchy, misleading, bait-and-switch behavior..."

“Bullshittery” is the host’s word for when a car dealer’s pricing or offers are shady or misleading. It’s the kind of stuff that makes you feel like you got tricked after you thought you were getting a fair deal.

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bait-and-switch

"She coined the term bullshittery several years ago to describe the kind of sketchy, misleading, bait-and-switch behavior that unfortunately so many dealers still engage in..."

Bait-and-switch is when a dealer gets you interested with one deal, then changes the deal once you’re already there. You end up being pushed toward something else that’s usually more expensive or worse.

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Ford Transit 15 passenger van

"So here's what happened last week. I was shopping for a Ford Transit 15 passenger van for a military client with a large family."

The Ford Transit is a big van made to move people or cargo. A “15 passenger” version is set up to seat a large group, which is why it fits the host’s client’s situation.

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MSRP

"they advertised a near $6,000 discount under MSRP. Most dealers are not discounting these at all unless you really, really push them"

MSRP is the sticker price number the manufacturer starts with. When someone says they’re discounting under MSRP, they mean the sale price is lower than that sticker number.

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military rebate

"I wanted to make sure that the military rebate would apply to this vehicle since it's a commercial vehicle. So I specifically asked that question, can we get that extra $500?"

A military rebate is a discount program for people in the military. It’s not always automatic; you usually have to qualify and the rebate may only apply to certain vehicles or deals.

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Florida sales tax

"I went back and forth with her over the Florida sales tax because this client has their permanent residence in Florida, but they are stationed in a different state"

Sales tax depends on where the buyer is considered to live for tax purposes. For military families, the state they’re stationed in may not be the same as their tax home, and that can change whether an exemption applies.

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sales tax exemption

"therefore under Florida's laws, they are exempt from the vehicle sales tax in Florida. But there are of course some hoops you have to jump through to get that."

A sales tax exemption means you might not have to pay sales tax if you qualify under specific rules. Usually you have to submit proof—otherwise the exemption won’t be accepted.

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transport quotes

"We got everything together. The client was super excited. We secured the vehicle. And then the general manager calls me late Thursday night"

Transport quotes are prices you get from companies that ship cars. If the car has to be delivered to another state, those shipping costs can be a big part of the final price.

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friends and family program

"It's like, yeah, but that's the friends and family program that Ford is offering right now, but it doesn't apply to that vehicle."

A friends and family program is a special discount that’s only available to certain people and sometimes only on certain cars. The problem here is that the dealer advertised the discount, but it didn’t actually apply to that exact vehicle.

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employee pricing for everyone program

"said nothing about the employee pricing for everyone program that Ford is in fact running."

This is a marketing deal that’s supposed to make the car cheaper, like an employee discount. The host is saying that even with a program like this, dealers can’t advertise a low price while leaving out required fees.

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government charges

"The first one is advertising a price that is less than the full price that a consumer has to pay for the vehicle, excluding government charges."

Government charges are fees and taxes you pay to the DMV or the government, not the dealer. The FTC rule the host is describing focuses on dealer-added charges that can’t be hidden in the advertised price.

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hidden fees

"So let me translate that FTC legalese for you. They're talking about hidden fees."

“Hidden fees” are charges that dealers include in the final transaction price but don’t clearly disclose upfront in the advertised price. The host ties this to the FTC rule about advertising a price that’s less than what the consumer must actually pay (excluding government charges).

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dock or administration fee

"This is things like their dock or administration fee, something that they always charge that you don't have any choice necessarily but to pay."

A dock/admin fee is an extra charge the dealer adds for things like handling and paperwork. If it’s basically required, the FTC expects it to be clearly disclosed rather than left out of the advertised price.

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destination charge

"It's not a part of MSRP necessarily, although it does prevent dealers from the practice of listing a new car at the pure MSRP before the destination charge, which is just part of the MSRP..."

The destination charge is the cost to get the car from the factory to the dealership. The episode’s key point is that dealers can’t advertise a price that ignores this part if it’s normally included in the sticker price.

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documentation or admin fee

"...they have to specifically list their dock fee or they have to say this is the price of the car and it includes a documentation or admin fee of 799-599, whatever that is."

A doc/admin fee is what the dealer charges for handling the paperwork. The FTC angle here is that dealers have to clearly say it as part of the price you’re paying, not sneak it in later.

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DMV charges

"So your tag and title fees, the DMV charges, electronic filing fees that the government may charge and your taxes."

DMV charges are the fees the government collects for registering the car and handling the paperwork. The host is saying the FTC rule doesn’t require dealers to include these in the advertised price the same way it requires disclosure of dealer fees.

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rebate stacking

"One of the things that I really, really hate seeing are things like rebate stacking. That's the term that we use in the industry. And that's where they would list a price. Hey, this is the price of the car, but it secretly includes all of the rebates that are offered on that vehicle..."

Rebate stacking is when a car ad adds up several discounts together to make the price look way lower. The catch is that you usually can’t get every discount at the same time because the rebates have different rules.

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loyalty discount

"First responder, a college grad has a loyalty discount, meaning that they have a vehicle of the same brand that qualifies under that program..."

A loyalty discount is a discount for people who already have a car from that same brand. You typically have to prove you qualify based on what you currently own (or owned recently).

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conquest rebate

"...or a conquest rebate where they have a vehicle that is from one of the competitors that they have decided to offer a rebate to try to steal you away from that competitor."

A conquest rebate is a discount meant to lure you from another brand. Usually it’s for people who currently drive a competitor’s car.

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leases

"Another practice that they are cracking down on is advertising payments on a vehicle that do not clearly and conspicuously disclose the material terms to get that price, such as a required down payment... So this really applies strongly to leases..."

A lease is like renting a car for a few years with rules about mileage and what you owe at the end. Lease deals can look cheap in ads, but the real price depends on details like down payment and terms.

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material terms

"Another practice that they are cracking down on is advertising payments on a vehicle that do not clearly and conspicuously disclose the material terms to get that price, such as a required down payment, any other conditions."

Material terms are the key conditions that determine whether you can actually get the advertised price or payment. In car ads, this often includes required down payment, credit qualifications, and other eligibility requirements.

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low monthly payment catfishing

"So this really applies strongly to leases, but also loan advertising because dealers like to pull what I call low monthly payment catfishing. They'll advertise, get into this car for $199 a month."

This is when an ad hooks you with a super-low monthly payment, but the fine print makes it hard or impossible to get that deal. The real requirements (like down payment or credit) are what change the outcome.

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down payment

"you can get into it for $199 a month, but again, it doesn't disclose a huge down payment."

A down payment is money you pay upfront when you start financing a car. If the ad doesn’t mention it, the low monthly price might only be possible if you put a lot of money down.

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84 month loan term

"It might be an 84 month loan term, or it might be only for buyers that have over 800 credit score."

The loan term is how many months you have to pay the car off. A longer term can make the monthly payment look smaller, but you may pay more overall.

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trade in

"It assumes you're trading in a vehicle that has a certain amount of equity."

A trade-in is when you use your current car to help pay for the new one. The advertised payment may assume your trade-in is worth a certain amount, so it might not work out the same for everyone.

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800 credit score

"It might be an 84 month loan term, or it might be only for buyers that have over 800 credit score."

A credit score is a number lenders use to estimate how likely you are to repay debt. Many “qualified buyer” promotions require an unusually high score (like 800+) to get the advertised rate or payment, meaning most shoppers won’t actually qualify.

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equity

"It assumes you're trading in a vehicle that has a certain amount of equity."

Equity is how much value you have in your current car after you subtract the loan balance. Dealers may assume you have enough equity to make the advertised payment possible.

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plus, plus, plus

"We all know that it's what we call plus, plus, plus, and the industry is plus tax, tag, and title."

It means the advertised price is just the starting point, and then more required charges get added on. Those extras can make the final cost much higher than the ad suggests.

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plus tax, tag, and title

"We all know that it's what we call plus, plus, plus, and the industry is plus tax, tag, and title."

These are the government fees that usually get added on top of the car’s sticker price. They include sales tax, registration plates, and the cost to transfer the car’s title to you.

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advertising a vehicle price that is conditioned on you as the consumer financing the car through that dealer or through a specific lender

"Another related practice is advertising a vehicle price that is conditioned on you as the consumer financing the car through that dealer or through a specific lender without clearly and conspicuously disclosing that."

Sometimes the “special price” only works if you finance through the dealer’s preferred lender. If you pay cash or use your own financing, the price can jump—so you need to check the fine print.

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financing with us

"advertise a price on their website without telling you this price requires that you finance with us or it assumes a $1,000 trade allowance"

“Financing with us” means the advertised deal only works if you get the loan through the dealer. If you finance elsewhere, the advertised price may not apply.

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trade allowance

"without telling you this price requires that you finance with us or it assumes a $1,000 trade allowance, meaning you've got at least $1,000 in equity on your trade."

When you trade in your old car, the dealer gives you a credit for it. A “trade allowance” is that credit amount, and sometimes the advertised deal assumes you’ll get a certain number for your trade.

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addendums

"This is what I call the dealer added crap or the addendums is the official industry term. This is where you see the advertised price, you're going, you talk and they give you the final paperwork and all of a sudden there's this $3,000 protection package."

Addendums are extra lines or pages added to the contract. They can add costs for things you didn’t expect when you first saw the advertised price.

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protection package

"you're going, you talk and they give you the final paperwork and all of a sudden there's this $3,000 protection package. Where did that come from?"

A protection package is a bundle of extra add-ons the dealer tries to sell you. It’s usually added to the bill after you thought you were getting the advertised price.

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low jack

"Where did that come from? It's the low jack, the paint protection, the bin etching, ceramic coating, nitrogen in the tires, whatever crap they want to add on to the car"

Low Jack is an aftermarket system meant to help track and recover a stolen car. Dealers sometimes bundle it into a pricey “protection package” after the fact.

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paint protection

"It's the low jack, the paint protection, the bin etching, ceramic coating, nitrogen in the tires, whatever crap they want to add on to the car"

Paint protection is anything meant to keep the car’s paint from getting damaged or scratched. Dealers may bundle it into an add-on package to raise the total price.

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ceramic coating

"the bin etching, ceramic coating, nitrogen in the tires, whatever crap they want to add on to the car"

Ceramic coating is a protective layer put on the paint to help it look nicer and be easier to wash. It’s usually an extra-cost add-on, and quality matters a lot.

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nitrogen in the tires

"ceramic coating, nitrogen in the tires, whatever crap they want to add on to the car"

Some dealers offer to fill your tires with nitrogen instead of normal air. It’s mostly about marketing and minor pressure stability—what matters most is keeping the tires at the right pressure.

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out of the advertised price or on those terms

"The last practice is advertising vehicles that are not actually available at that advertised price or on those terms."

This describes a practice where the dealer advertises a vehicle at a certain price and/or under certain terms, but the customer can’t actually get that deal when they arrive. It’s closely related to bait-and-switch behavior and is often what regulators focus on in pricing transparency cases.

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per violation

"I mean why is it not just $50,000 flat? I don't know. They don't ask me but that fine can be applied either per violation each instance of that violation or for every day that violation continues after they have been busted for it. So let's just go back to just the per violation."

“Per violation” means the fine can be charged multiple times—once for each separate problem the regulator finds. So the total can grow quickly if there are many instances.

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friends and family discounts

"Oh the computer applied the friends and family discounts every vehicle on their website. Well I'm sorry you're still responsible for what is on your website."

A “friends and family discount” is a special price deal that’s meant for certain people. The host is saying the dealer’s website may have applied that discount to everyone, which can make the advertised prices misleading.

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pricing models

"Well if it's applying a pricing model that violates one of these rules let's see $53,088 times 200 that's like over $10 million in fines."

The host is talking about the website’s automatic pricing rules—basically the computer math that decides what price gets shown. If that math is wrong (or applies a discount incorrectly), it can lead to lots of misleading listings.

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stacked

"[1390.6s] practices so if you think about it if one dealer is advertising this car for $30,000 but it's total [1401.4s] BS because they rebate stacked or they have you know put in a bunch of discounts that people don't [1406.2s] actually qualify for"

“Stacked” here means the dealer is adding multiple discounts together to make the price look lower. The catch is that you might not qualify for all of them, so the real price ends up higher.

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cars act

"[1493.2s] technicality and how that evidence was handled the whole case gets thrown out on a technicality [1498.6s] that's what happened with the cars act it got thrown out on a technicality so here we are [1505.9s] making it more difficult for the FTC to enforce this"

The “Cars Act” is a law/rule the FTC tried to use to crack down on misleading car-dealer pricing. The host says a court rejected it because the government didn’t follow the correct steps when making the rule, not because the goal was wrong.

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cease and desist order

"[1524.2s] the owners of the dealership to jail might not be a bad idea but that's not how it works [1529.5s] they can negotiate a settlement for penalties they can obtain a legal cease and desist order"

It’s a court/agency order that tells a company to stop doing a particular bad practice. If they keep doing it, they can face more legal consequences.

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transparent pricing

"notwithstanding but if you go out to dealer websites now and look at how they've got their cars advertised in price you will see more transparent pricing you will see their dock fee listed"

Transparent pricing means the dealer shows you the real price and the extra fees up front. That makes it easier to compare cars and avoid “surprise” add-ons at the dealership.

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dock fee

"if you go out to dealer websites now and look at how they've got their cars advertised in price you will see more transparent pricing you will see their dock fee listed which helps me tremendously"

A dock fee is a dealer-added charge for moving the car to the dealership. The key is that it should be shown clearly in the advertised price so you can compare offers without surprises.

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cars.com

"even on sites like auto trader cars.com when you're searching for cars there those companies are trying to follow the fdc laws as best they can"

Cars.com is a website where you can browse car listings from dealers. The host says it’s adding warnings when fees aren’t shown so you’ll know to ask questions.

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auto trader

"that's really flirting with one of those rules even on sites like auto trader cars.com when you're searching for cars there those companies are trying to follow the fdc laws as best they can"

Auto Trader is a website where dealers post car listings. The host is saying these sites are trying to push dealers to show fees clearly so buyers don’t get surprised later.

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advertising platform

"even though they are technically not the dealer because they are providing an advertising platform they have to cover their own butts"

An advertising platform is the website that shows car listings. Even though it’s not the dealer, it still has to be careful about how dealers present prices and fees.

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car shopping

"this means that you still [1728.0s] need to do your homework basically nothing has changed in the way that you should approach car [1728.0s] shopping there's just a little more light being shown on some of the bullshittery"

Here, “car shopping” means how you compare dealer offers and make sure you understand the real total cost. Even if ads get more transparent, you still have to double-check the numbers and incentives.

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out the door quote

"just do all the things that i always preach about get that out the door quote in writing [1753.7s] because remember the advertised price still does not have to show all the government fees"

An out-the-door quote is the full total you’ll pay at the end of the deal. It includes the car price plus the extra taxes and fees, so you can compare offers fairly.

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monthly payments

"be sure you understand the monthly [1746.9s] payments just do all the things that i always preach about get that out the door quote in writing"

Monthly payments are what you pay each month for the loan or lease. Focusing only on the payment can make it harder to see the real total cost, so you should check the full deal details too.

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