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The Importance of Having Allies in Electrification with Brandon Bordenkircher, Campaign Manager for EVNoire supporting Electrifying Michigan

The Importance of Having Allies in Electrification with Brandon Bordenkircher, Campaign Manager for EVNoire supporting Electrifying Michigan

The Mobility Table Apr 21, 2026 30 min
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Brandon Bordenkircher of Electrifying Michigan joins Bernard Swicky and Janine Gantt on The Mobility Table to argue that EV adoption needs “allies” who educate, demystify, and amplify messages across the mobility ecosystem. The discussion tackles why mainstream buyers struggle with uncertainty like charging and range anxiety, and how exposure (ride-and-drives, transit with electric buses) plus clear, non-jargony communication can build comfort. Electrifying Michigan is presented as a brand-agnostic, multimodal statewide convenor supporting partners without duplicating their work—connecting EVs, charging, workforce, and even electric boats and drones.

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EVNoire

"[Episode: The Importance of Having Allies in Electrification with Brandon Bordenkircher, Campaign Manager for EVNoire supporting Electrifying Michigan]"

EVNoire is an organization working to help more people get involved with electric vehicles. In this conversation, it’s connected to efforts to electrify Michigan.

Concept

electrification

"And when it comes to electrification, you know, it's a new issue for all of mobility, but particularly automotive, right? ... But, you know, sometimes new technologies can make people nervous, frankly, because"

Electrification is the move from gas cars to electric cars. It’s not just the car itself—it also involves charging and helping people feel comfortable using EVs.

Car

Buick Century

"... of worked the same way for decades now, almost a century. But they don't anymore, right?"

The Buick Century is a car model that Buick made for a long time. It was designed to be a comfortable, everyday sedan for regular driving. People mention it when talking about how car designs and buying habits changed over the years.

Concept

consumer understanding

"We need that consumer understanding. Yeah, we sure do. And especially like the whole idea of EVs and autonomous vehicles..."

Consumer understanding means making sure regular drivers really get how the new tech works. For EVs, that includes things like charging and what to expect compared to gas cars.

Concept

autonomous vehicles

"And especially like the whole idea of EVs and autonomous vehicles and electric vehicles, I mean, even just hearing you talk, I'm like, I want to make sure that we are always at our mobility table..."

Autonomous vehicles are cars that can drive with varying levels of automation, from driver-assist features to full self-driving (depending on the system). In adoption conversations, they raise questions about safety, trust, regulations, and how the technology fits into everyday driving.

Concept

range anxiety

"There's, as you think about electrification, it's range anxiety, right? It's, I don't know where I'm going to charge my car. I don't know how to do that, you know?"

Range anxiety means worrying your EV battery won’t last long enough for your trip. People fear they’ll get stuck because they’re not sure where they can charge.

Concept

electric vehicles (EVs)

"a couple of years ago, and I realized that there is truly a lack of education about electric vehicles. Like people really don't understand what it is."

Electric vehicles (EVs) run on electricity stored in a battery. The big idea here is that many people don’t know how EVs work yet, so they need clear information to feel comfortable.

Concept

mass adoption

"one of the challenges with this kind of mass adoption is because it feels like it's something that's niche for a small group of people. You know, it's not for me, but I really think that there's an opportunity for us to continue to create awareness so that people can see themselves driving in an EV, right?"

Mass adoption means more and more people start buying and using EVs, not just a small group. The point is that people need help understanding EVs so they feel confident switching.

Concept

mass market

"[224.1s] but now, OK, we've satisfied that part of the market. [226.8s] We need to go to mass market, you know, we need the family down the street."

Mass market just means the regular, everyday customers—not the enthusiasts who are excited about new tech. For EVs, it means making charging and using the car feel easy and predictable for most people.

Concept

early adopters

"[240.2s] I can't get to school because the car's not charged. [242.7s] You know, you're not going to get the same amount of tolerance, [246.6s] of inconvenience, as you will with the early adopters"

Early adopters are people who try new technology first, even if it’s not perfect yet. They’re usually more patient and willing to figure things out, while most people want things to work with minimal hassle.

Concept

workforce development

"[275.0s] So I mean, I know we encounter this quite a bit in some of the work [278.3s] we do with our partners through workforce development and the [281.7s] Southeast Michigan groups that work on workforce."

Workforce development means training people so they can get good jobs in a growing field. For EVs, it’s about making sure there are skilled workers to support charging and vehicle maintenance.

Brand

GM

"“I'll tell you GM, I know we're naming a brand, whatever. It's Detroit. GM is a big player in the market.”"

GM is General Motors, one of the biggest car companies in the U.S. They’re investing in electric vehicles and trying to help people learn how EVs work.

Term

key fob

"“...my mother who recently got a car and had a key fob and she was like, I don't know what to do with this. Like, where's the key? I'm like, oh, just push the button.”"

A key fob is the little remote you carry to control the car. Instead of putting a key in the ignition, many cars let you start by pressing a button.

Term

push the button

"“Like, where's the key? I'm like, oh, just push the button. Right.”"

“Push the button” means you start the car by pressing a button instead of turning a key. The car recognizes your key fob and then lets you start.

Car

Hummer Ev Hummer

"...t and that's exactly how I felt getting into this EV Hummer because it was the EV Hummer that I test drove. A..."

The Hummer EV SUV is a large SUV that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s meant to feel powerful and capable, and it’s the electric version of the Hummer name. The podcast mention likely focuses on what it’s like to drive and how it matches (or doesn’t match) expectations.

Concept

charging experience

"“...identifying ways for people to have an experience with the vehicle, to be able to get inside of it, to be able to see how you charge it and all those things.”"

Charging is the main difference between an EV and a gas car. New owners often need help learning how to plug in, what to expect, and how charging fits into their daily routine.

Concept

EV ecosystem

"“...because when we talk about the ecosystem, you know,”"

The “EV ecosystem” is everything around owning an electric car, not just the car itself. It includes charging places, how you pay for charging, and support that helps people feel comfortable using the system.

Concept

ecosystem needs a purpose to exist

"the ecosystem needs a purpose to exist. And there is no purpose if the consumer is not buying the product."

This is basically saying the EV “system” only works if people actually want to buy and use EVs. Without buyers, the rest of the infrastructure and plans don’t really take hold.

Concept

someone's garage or apartment

"But there needs to be a somewhere. And that is someone's garage or apartment, you name it."

They’re pointing out that where you live affects whether you can charge an EV. A garage or driveway makes charging easier than charging in many apartment situations.

Concept

combustible engines

"...one of the things that we talked about was really kind of environmental pollution that comes from, you know, combustible engines."

Combustible engines are the traditional gas/diesel engines that burn fuel. The episode is saying they create pollution, which is one reason people are moving toward EVs.

Concept

charging ability at their home

"...they're excited about getting into EVs. They can, you know, they have the charging ability at their home and that kind of stuff are then going to sell their car."

This means whether someone can plug in their EV at home. If they can, it’s easier to live with the car day to day, which makes people more likely to buy an EV.

Term

EV

"...helping to educate folks about adapting advanced mobility technologies, EV specifically, right. But like, who's doing that work?"

EV means electric vehicle. It’s a car that runs on electricity stored in a battery, and people often need help learning how charging and ownership work.

Concept

emerging ecosystem

"And as you and I talked about, when you have an emerging ecosystem like we have in Detroit, there are lots of people in the sandbox..."

An emerging ecosystem means a whole community that’s growing around a new technology. For EVs, that includes companies building parts, and people helping others learn how to use electric vehicles.

Topic

Detroit

"...when you have an emerging ecosystem like we have in Detroit, there are lots of people in the sandbox, like lots of folks that are doing different kinds of things..."

Detroit is mentioned as a place where a lot of EV-related work is happening. The idea is that big auto regions can help new technology spread faster.

Company

Electrifying Michigan

"[572.0s] And so, you know, let's talk about electrifying Michigan. [613.4s] and hear what they're doing in the region to help educate consumers"

Electrifying Michigan is a group in Michigan focused on helping people learn about electric cars. They aim to make it easier for consumers to understand how EVs work and what to consider before buying.

Term

battery

"[591.5s] And I was like, oh, my God, like there's nothing there. [594.5s] Like there literally was just there was just like, you know, a battery there."

The battery is what stores the electricity that makes the car move. In many EVs, it takes up space where a gas engine would normally be, so the hood area can look simpler.

Concept

consumer adoption of EVs

"So, you know, we were having this conversation, as you know, about, you know, consumer adoption of EVs. And, you know, I became aware of electrifying Michigan as a new entity here in the state"

This is about what makes regular people actually want to buy and use an EV. Things like where you can charge, how much it costs upfront, and whether it feels convenient matter a lot.

Concept

brand agnostic, multimodal, statewide campaign

"So I serve as the program manager for the electrifying Michigan partnership. It's a brand agnostic, multimodal, statewide campaign and partnership dedicated to advancing multimodal transportation across the state, land, air, lakes."

“Brand agnostic” means they’re not pushing one specific car company. “Multimodal” means they’re thinking about more than just personal cars—how people move around in general.

Concept

mobility ecosystem

"...to bring together the full mobility ecosystem, OEMs, utilities, government agencies, community-based organizations and more."

A mobility ecosystem is the whole “system” behind transportation, not just the vehicles. It includes utilities, companies, and government working together so electric transportation can actually function.

Concept

OEMs

"...to bring together the full mobility ecosystem, OEMs, utilities, government agencies, community-based organizations and more."

OEMs are the companies that make the vehicles or big parts of them. When they invest in EVs, it affects how many electric cars show up and how fast they improve.

Concept

utilities

"...OEMs, utilities, government agencies, community-based organizations and more."

Utilities are the companies that provide electricity. Since EVs need charging, utilities have to make sure the power grid can handle the extra demand.

Concept

shore power infrastructure

"So we have EVs, battery production, electric boats, shore power infrastructure and unmanned aerial systems, all accelerating at the same time."

Shore power infrastructure is when a dock provides electricity to a ship so it doesn’t have to run its own engine while parked. It helps cut pollution and uses cleaner power if the grid is cleaner.

Concept

unmanned aerial systems

"So we have EVs, battery production, electric boats, shore power infrastructure and unmanned aerial systems, all accelerating at the same time."

Unmanned aerial systems are drones or other aircraft that fly without a pilot inside. They often rely on batteries and advanced power systems, so electrification affects them too.

Concept

workforce synergies

"So these sectors share a deep technological and workforce synergies. Electrifying Michigan in our partnership was created to help connect these pieces."

Workforce synergies means workers can use similar skills in different electrification-related jobs. If training and hiring are coordinated, it’s easier to staff all the new projects.

Concept

multi-modality

"“So I think that's a term that people may not necessarily understand. So when you say that, what do you mean?” “Yeah, multi-modality. That means we're not just talking about cars.”"

Multi-modality means thinking about transportation in more than one form. Instead of only focusing on cars, it also includes buses, trains, bikes, and e-scooters, and even things like delivery drones or self-driving vehicles. The goal is to plan for all these different ways people and goods move.

Concept

e-scooters

"“We're talking about buses. We're talking about e-scooters. We're talking about bikes.”"

E-scooters are small electric vehicles you can ride for short trips. They matter in electrification because they can replace some very short car rides. Whether they help depends on things like safe riding rules and where people can charge them.

Concept

electric boats

"“We're talking about autonomous vehicles, electric boats. We're talking about the energy utilized to power these things.”"

Electric boats are boats that run on electricity instead of traditional fuel. They’re included in electrification because they can reduce pollution where boats operate, like harbors. The big question is whether batteries can provide enough range and whether charging is available.

Concept

energy utilized to power these things

"“We're talking about electric boats. We're talking about the energy utilized to power these things.”"

This is about where the electricity comes from and how it’s used. Electrifying transportation means you need power for all those vehicles and devices, not just the vehicles themselves. The environmental impact depends on how that electricity is produced.

Concept

misconceptions

"or drones or electric boats, a lot of misconceptions with all those. And I think partnering with all our different partners, those are some of the best communicators in the state."

A misconception is a wrong belief. The hosts are saying a lot of people’s fears about electric tech come from misunderstandings, and better communication can help fix that.

Concept

allies

"That goes back to what you were saying, Bernard, about allies, right? Yeah. Allies helping, what you just said for me was the idea of amplifying the voice, right?"

Allies are people or groups that support the cause and help spread the message. Here, they’re talking about working with trusted communicators so more people feel informed and supported.

Concept

amplifying the voice

"Yeah. Allies helping, what you just said for me was the idea of amplifying the voice, right? Like multiple, sometimes it takes messages to come from multiple directions for people to finally get it and hear it."

It means getting the same message out through several people, not just one. When different trusted voices say it, people are more likely to pay attention and believe it.

Concept

shoreline infrastructure

"...so many different universities working on new technologies pertaining to shoreline infrastructure and charging electric boats, Torquito,"

Shoreline infrastructure is the equipment and electrical setup on land at docks. For electric boats, it’s what makes it possible to charge safely while the boat is tied up.

Company

Torquito

"...charging electric boats, Torquito,"

Torquito sounds like a name of a company or project mentioned in the electric boat space. The segment doesn’t explain what they make or how they’re involved.

Concept

e-boats

"[1075.5s] like that's a company here in Michigan [1077.8s] who is installing electric motors for e-boats. [1082.0s] It's making sure that everyone is connected,"

An e-boat is a boat that runs on electricity. Instead of using fuel engines, it uses electric motors, which can help cut pollution.

Concept

public awareness and demand generation

"[1117.0s] I think number one, [1121.2s] I think there are three ways [1122.5s] that we compliment our partners specifically in that way. [1125.4s] Number one, public awareness and demand generation."

This is basically how organizations get people excited about EVs and other electrification efforts. They try to make more people want the technology so it actually gets used, not just talked about.

Topic

ride and drives

"[1125.4s] Number one, public awareness and demand generation. [1131.3s] So, ride and drives with consumers, [1134.0s] we just did one in Denver with our partners at Uber"

A ride-and-drive is when people get to sit in and drive a vehicle themselves. It helps them understand what it’s like to own and use an EV before they decide anything.

Company

Uber

"[1131.3s] So, ride and drives with consumers, [1134.0s] we just did one in Denver with our partners at Uber [1140.7s] and that went great."

Uber is a ridesharing company. When Uber partners on EV events, it can help show EVs in real life—like how they work for people who rely on rides every day.

Concept

ride sharing drivers

"But these were ride sharing drivers who had never tried an electric vehicle or a hybrid vehicle before. So, getting them into the vehicle, understanding, this is how you can save money."

The hosts are discussing EV adoption among ride-sharing drivers, a group that often cares about operating costs and day-to-day usability. This matters because frequent driving can make fuel/charging economics and real-world experience especially influential.

Concept

hybrid vehicle

"But these were ride sharing drivers who had never tried an electric vehicle or a hybrid vehicle before. So, getting them into the vehicle, understanding, this is how you can save money."

A hybrid is a car that uses gas and electricity together. It’s a stepping stone for people who haven’t tried a fully electric car yet.

Concept

demystifying

"But it's really about demystifying and just getting people to open up and try something new. It can be scary trying new things, but I have yet to meet a person who tries an EV who is no big deal."

“Demystifying” just means making something feel less scary or confusing. They’re trying to help people understand EVs by letting them try one instead of relying on rumors or fear.

Concept

exposure

"And it does seem to be the critical thing is the exposure, right? Because so much of the criticism is from people that have never been in a vehicle like that. Yes, exactly."

“Exposure” here refers to getting people physically into an EV (or hybrid) so they can form opinions based on experience rather than criticism from outsiders. The hosts connect exposure to reducing skepticism and improving acceptance.

Concept

EVs being sold at a higher clip

"So the more people see them, [1229.0s] the more they have a neighbor who gets an EV... [1216.5s] a lot more exposure now because EVs are being sold at a higher clip than they have before."

It means more electric cars are being bought than before. When people see them more often, they’re more likely to think, “Maybe I’d consider one too.”

Term

electric buses

"There's also electric buses. [1246.4s] Like all you need to do is take transit and you're utilizing an electric bus. [1251.6s] That's when people realize it's a lot quieter, it's a lot smoother."

Electric buses are buses that run on electricity. Because they’re quieter and feel smoother, people notice them differently than regular buses.

Concept

autonomous underwater vehicle

"Let's say like an autonomous underwater vehicle [1285.7s] that one of the universities here is working on. [1291.0s] We wanna share those things."

An autonomous underwater vehicle is like a robot submarine. It can do its job underwater on its own, and the point here is that sharing these kinds of projects helps people learn about new technology.

Concept

multiple angles

"Yeah, I agree, I mean that goes back to people need to hear the message from lots of different angles and different people until they receive it."

It means you don’t just tell people once—you explain the same idea in different ways. Using different trusted voices helps more people understand and feel included.

Concept

trusted connectors

"One of the things that we're working on at the Global Epicenter Mobility is arming trusted connectors with information. So people who are trusted within particular communities to have information about opportunities that are available around EVs or other types of mobility opportunities"

It means using people in your community who are already trusted. Instead of sending EV info from strangers, you share it through the folks people listen to.

Company

Global Epicenter Mobility

"One of the things that we're working on at the Global Epicenter Mobility is arming trusted connectors with information."

They mention Global Epicenter Mobility as the group behind this outreach effort. Here, it’s helping share EV-related information through people and organizations communities already trust.

Concept

technical jargon

"it's also not about technical jargon that prevents people from understanding and seeing the opportunity and knowing that, yes, this is for you as well."

Technical jargon is complicated wording that experts use. If you avoid it, more people can understand what’s being offered and feel included.

Concept

demystify it

"So how do we demystify it and eliminate some of the jargon that make it difficult for people to see themselves as a part of it?"

“Demystify” just means explain it in a way that’s easy to understand. Instead of confusing details, the focus is on helping people feel comfortable—especially about things like charging.

Concept

eliminate some of the jargon

"So how do we demystify it and eliminate some of the jargon that make it difficult for people to see themselves as a part of it?"

Jargon is “tech talk” that can sound confusing. If you remove it, people can focus on the questions that matter to them, like whether charging will be easy.

Concept

get a charge

"they don't wanna feel nervous about, am I gonna be able to get a charge? I've heard this, so it's a lot more of that"

“Get a charge” means plugging in your EV and actually being able to charge it. People worry about whether charging will work when they need it.

Concept

peer-to-peer (P2P) charging

"So one of our advisory board members, [1527.3s] plug P2P is actually a startup just like that. [1536.0s] So they realize that there's a lack of home chargers [1542.0s] so they started a company that is kind of like Airbnb [1546.1s] but for chargers, for electric vehicle chargers."

Peer-to-peer charging means people can share their chargers with other EV drivers. Instead of only relying on big public charging companies, you can sometimes book access through an app.

Company

plug P2P

"So one of our advisory board members, [1527.3s] plug P2P is actually a startup just like that. [1536.0s] So they realize that there's a lack of home chargers"

“Plug P2P” sounds like a company that helps EV drivers find places to charge by sharing access between people. The host compares it to Airbnb to explain the idea of sharing resources through an app.

Concept

home chargers

"So they realize that there's a lack of home chargers [1542.0s] so they started a company that is kind of like Airbnb [1546.1s] but for chargers, for electric vehicle chargers."

“Home chargers” are EV charging stations you can use at your house. If you can charge at home, it’s usually easier to own an EV because you don’t have to find a public charger every time.

Concept

Airbnb-like model for chargers

"So they realize that there's a lack of home chargers [1542.0s] so they started a company that is kind of like Airbnb [1546.1s] but for chargers, for electric vehicle chargers. [1549.9s] So you sign onto the app, you find a charger nearest to you"

They’re comparing the service to Airbnb because it works like booking a time and place. EV drivers can use an app to find a charger and schedule when they’ll plug in.

Concept

public EV charging

"So you sign onto the app, you find a charger nearest to you, [1553.3s] say you're from out of town or something like that, [1555.9s] you can plug in for two, three, four hours, [1559.2s] however long you just schedule it."

This is about charging stations you can use when you’re out and about. Having chargers nearby and being able to schedule them makes it easier to drive an EV on trips.

Concept

supply chain expertise

"Supply chain expertise, we have manufacturing, a manufacturing backbone that will power our electrified future."

A supply chain is basically how parts and materials get made and delivered. Electrifying cars changes what parts you need, so companies need special experience to keep everything flowing smoothly.

Concept

electrified future

"a manufacturing backbone that will power our electrified future. Right, but it's all here though, but it has to work differently now, right?"

“Electrified future” means more vehicles will run on electricity instead of gasoline. That usually requires not just cars, but also charging and the factories that make batteries.

Concept

train on rails

"it's kind of like a giant machine and it's been doing one thing. And it's like a train on rails. You don't just change direction easily."

The speaker is saying big industries can’t just switch directions overnight. Factories and supply chains are set up to do one thing, so changing to EVs takes planning and time.

Concept

transformation

"So it's also, you need a certain amount of transformation"

“Transformation” means the whole system has to change, not just a single part. It’s about retooling factories and building new skills so the region can compete as EVs grow.

Concept

energy resilient

"...we stay energy resilient, you know, shift towards EVs, electric boats, drones, connected mobility just creates a lot of opportunities..."

Energy resilient means the power system can keep working even when something goes wrong. With more EVs, the grid has to be ready for extra electricity demand.

Concept

shift towards EVs

"...shift towards EVs, electric boats, drones, connected mobility just creates a lot of opportunities for grid modernization..."

The shift towards EVs means more cars are powered by electricity instead of gas. That affects how and where electricity is generated and delivered, especially for charging.

Concept

connected mobility

"...electric boats, drones, connected mobility just creates a lot of opportunities for grid modernization..."

Connected mobility means vehicles and transportation systems can “talk” to networks and each other. That can help EV charging and traffic work more efficiently.

Concept

grid modernization

"...connected mobility just creates a lot of opportunities for grid modernization, demand management, ..."

Grid modernization means updating the power network so it can handle more electricity use. EV charging adds new demand, so the grid often needs upgrades to stay reliable.

Concept

demand management

"...grid modernization, demand management, so many opportunities, but we need, you know, the consumers to buy the vehicles."

Demand management is about using electricity more wisely so the grid isn’t overloaded. For EVs, it can mean charging at times when power demand is lower.

Concept

massive adoption

"It really is, if we can get massive adoption, it truly can change how we all live our lives."

It means EVs become so popular that it’s no longer just a few people driving them. Once many people switch, it’s easier to build charging and make EVs practical for everyone.

Concept

fleets in local government

"but we have a lot of fleets in local government, whether it's the county, municipality, or the state, we should electrify all of these..."

A “fleet” is a group of vehicles used by an organization. If cities and states switch their fleets to electric, it can make EVs more common and help build charging where people live.

Concept

electrify all of these vehicles

"We have a lot of fleets in local government... we should electrify all of these... be electrifying all these vehicles."

They’re talking about switching more than just private cars—like city and school vehicles—to electric. Fleets can be easier to convert because they usually drive similar routes and can plan charging.

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