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Many Jay online with mr. David Prince mr.

Scudder, and mr. Edward bunting.

How are we gentleman? Very well, very, very well.

Thank you. Yep, doing all right.

Thanks Maddie. Lovely to hear.

Good to see all your faces. I don't a podcast and they can't

see your faces, but I can see their faces.

So it's lovely to see them. We got a big show tonight.

Lots of stuff to talk about with our with our main topic of things about new cars that we actually do not like So I think we've all got, we've all got it, we got a fair few things to discuss their but let's get straight into it with some car update and we got a quiz from mr.

Bunting later on as well. So we'll go with mr.

Prince update with you. I friend, it's with me.

I've done a little bit more tinkering with the Honda City that I picked up recently. Now, pretty pretty much done.

I've managed to score some. I think I mentioned last week, I

was having your Double finding 12 inch tires.

So, I've actually moved to a 13-inch Civic Rim from 85 which gives me a much wider range of tires and cheap as chips so cheap and cheerful tires, which makes a big big change from tires are just had to put on the CRV, actually, which were not cheap or cheerful actually occurs they but so now that's coming along. Its I thought it was going in

this week to have a check out for road with you, but they're a bit busy this week. So they said can we do it next

week? So we'll do that.

We had a Actually scored a bit of a prize on Palm Sunday.

We had a car club event in a run-up to Bacchus Marsh to remembers place up there about a month ago.

I had a call from a guy in Jalan, who was going through some stuff in his garage and he set up, he rang me and said I was at the Honda pact of the setup, but I've got some old material from Honda City protein, seat material, would you do you think anyone would be interested in it?

I said, I think we could find someone there's no for the city.

So, but I knew it needed needed some for his seat.

It's so yeah, so my make the dropped it off.

At one of them have members in jurong.

Who happened to be there on Sunday, and yeah, I've got probably a good two meters of the very distinctive striped, sort of corduroy seats that the city had new when they came in new. They, they were only a

two-seater, but very popular. Aftermarket Edition was a

receipt. So, somehow they must open, I

must have got it from Japan at the time, I suppose, but There was quite a bit of the fabric around because they would read trim, the sort of little Dickie seats that went in the back to make them into a four-seater covid.

A question, sorry to hear that sir did Honda actually offered to put them in as an extra always at some like a third party. That did it because I've always

thought the Honda kind of offered that from memory you could get it through the deal. A bit of the difference is that

it was a deal. If it accessory rather than have

Factory, yo, you didn't you couldn't order with the recess.

They all came in with no rear seat as a two-seater because that way they came in as a commercial vehicle and yes, but obviously a lot of people to wanted them as a small card to take and take more than two people.

Yeah, so very quickly became an aftermarket sort of thing that but yeah, I don't think that could be fitted.

I think there was something back in the day that they couldn't be fitted before. The car was registered, I think

it had to be registered or something like that but a lot of Had to reset couldn't, obviously, they will?

They will, those receipts, like just said, I like that.

Like, Honda like dealer said, okay?

In Japan. I was like, 50 of these seats.

Like these backs all over. They all custom-made here and

the seatbelts man, and they would have had to have been engineered right to. But to be like now, that's

right. Yeah, they had to be engineered

and I'm pretty sure what. Yeah, are there within the club?

There are a few turbos and cabriolets which a factory rear seat and they are slightly different It just got a receipt, hasn't it? And it's yeah, my my take on it

is the Japanese cars. Had a built-in little, little

head rests in the rear seat. So just not like removable head

rest but they had the little, the little humps where your head rest will go but the Aussie ones are all sort of flat, you know, they're just like a little rectangle greasy.

So I agree with David. I think they're all deal of fit

or done done after the fact as an excess run.

Yeah so that's a bit of wind so I'm going to One of the drivers safe like most of them is a little bit Tatty.

So I'll actually I'll probably end up doing both front seats and they won't be any material left for me.

No no no, just just cool. Your jets buddy.

What I was going to do tell this thing and I'll be left with Rowdy seats still. No, the problem is that it's so

blue compared to what's on the passenger seat.

Whereas the passenger seats, perfect.

So I'll give you the passenger seat cover to go in your car.

Use the drivers cover. So it'll all be the same vintage

where the new paper. Wouldn't you do?

If you were to do the section with the new trim?

It would stand out like the proverbial.

So, you see, I thought that through bed with, you should know me. It's the princes of thinking,

man, Edward, you should have a look.

You should learn never to doubt. Oh no, no, please don't say

that. Shame for shame.

Come come. It's just going to be sold and

they don't have to buy it off him swap the seats, and they don't sell it again. About trying new things happen,

too much work. Now, the other thing, I'll say,

the click on Drive was brilliant.

I said Maddie a photo at the start because I hadn't actually made the connection before, but a couple of men, people have been members for a good 30 years.

I reckon they turned up in their Immaculate MR2 just back from the painters. They've just had a painted and I

don't think I told you the story Maddie but that bad.

Put that on Club plates with us a couple of years ago because that was his wife Kim's. First car.

Okay. And they, they sold it, you

know, 25 years ago and he was looking on Facebook Marketplace, one day up at came to Sam. Again the exact same car, the

exact same cat. Well no, he bought it back.

Yeah. Yeah.

So let's Kim's car from the shop.

I'm pretty sure was the first car.

So she you know like brand-new. But it was a funny guy was

sickening. Yeah.

So that's pretty nice provenance to have it back in the family.

Yeah, I was just saying because I pay looks fantastic.

So I only picked it up last week.

I think it was actually pretty tidy when they got back the guy it had been looked after. So you know and I think he pay,

you know, I don't know what he paid but I figured I remember him saying at the time, he paid something like three times what they sold it for to get it back well but you know it was they didn't sell a very much. I think, back in the day, That

they probably going with with very much.

And if appreciated significantly, I think.

Now when they were like five thousand dollars, all day long for like a good one and then keep on to like 3 Grand.

Yeah, that's right. So how do you could find those

now? Yep.

Honor. Oh no.

Did they put the stripes all back on it as well?

Yeah. Yeah.

The front strikes back on it? Yeah.

I noted that yes. Yes.

We know to look now Maddie. Yes.

So that was good, it was a great run up to a place just had a back as much and one of our members has got this incredible collection of early on disease like a like a bower bird.

He just, you know, he can't help himself, he just drives all over the place, even back to like a t500 truck.

So, one of them, I think it's 64 model.

So even earlier than it than most districts, hundreds, H hundreds. So it's that's a real antique.

That as, as you would expect, he's having funds the wrong word to use. But he's having easy in the

process of accumulating Parts when they absolutely made of unobtainium, it's a little bit hard to locate them.

Well, I had a good one, the other day.

It was a unicorn, Peru, it just as rare as Unicorn Blood like just so, yeah, that's pretty rare.

That's pretty rare. So I think that's me, very nice.

Well, we'll continue with with you with bunting.

Because bonding obviously one of the drivers, right?

And you took the Scarab, I'm assuming bonding I did.

Go on a drive and I did take the scam.

Yeah, probably. How about, how did it go?

Oh yeah, it coach very well with all the things I threw at it, but it's not running quite as well as it is.

It was, or is it should? It's a lit.

There's a little bit of a hesitation in the, you know, the tuning of it somewhere and so, it didn't want to idle, you know. So you sort of when you going on

the gasps, it's okay. But anytime you come Who did a

bit of a, you know, it dies at the light unless you keep your foot sort of on the gas? Yeah.

So that'll be something relatively simple.

I'm sure we did tweak the idle up during the run just to sort of help that which it did Health.

But you just is there was a bit of a bit of a medical procedure done on in the process proceeding, quite singing like it should I haven't pulled the plugs out ever, look at them or done anything of that nature. I did put another tank of fuel

in it on the run because you know, we went to A tank and it was, I thought it seemed to be better after it had another tank of juice in it. Yeah.

Just it's what the premium and even.

Yeah. Premium in.

Yep. So at least it always starts

straight back up again. Everything.

That's just yeah. Yeah.

When I first got it with really singing and it's just not quite singie can hear it when you've got your foot on the gas at the lights. It's like, you know, helping the

idol. Go up, you can hear the like

this. Just a little stutter to it.

So I'll It's part of service month.

Now I need to have that car was going to ask you David, where what's the oil filter on that car?

Is it where do I get a front? He said, Ivan look, yes, of

course happened. I'm sure you can buy one

somewhere. I'll talk to you later about

that. Yeah, okay, okay, yeah, yeah.

If it's obtainable somewhere, then I'll do for them filter.

Myself potentially this weekend in that - not just the old z9.

Yeah. With the, with the bog.

Going through the middle of the filter.

Yeah. Yes.

Part of the engine that. Yeah, they're not exactly thick

on the ground but I think I've got one or two.

If there's got to be somewhere you can buy them or.

Yep, there's got to be. It's got to be.

I haven't looked at what number it is or any of that.

So if you could tell you that will greatly but not otherwise went well, Copilot are thoroughly enjoyed himself and we were sort of saying how it's, you know, when you drive old cards out the country and there's no sign of Modern Life.

It's very much like you're back in time because it could be 1971 because there's nothing but cows and grass and fences that were probably there in 1971. So you sort of have this

experience of like, yeah this is this is what it was like you know, back in the day the only thing would have been to that this Camp. Could you could data around the

potholes have Have you ever seen the roads is bad condition.

There were quite a few potholes on the run yet.

Oh my wordy lordy. It's just shocking that

Shanghai. I avoided a few of those.

Yeah, I don't think I played through any major ones.

Yeah. So that was fun.

What else the Moke? Is it?

Continuing project we are up to the point of bleeding, the clutch system and bleeding the brakes.

So I just need some assistance with that from a couple of people and then and hopefully I can take it around the block.

That's what I'm that's what. I'm Looking forward to doing up,

fix the washer bottle leak. So it now has operating

squirters on the windscreen good.

I've fitted one new rear wheel cylinder and the circlip on the backs of bastard. And so I haven't done the other

one. I thought I might pay someone to

do that because it's a pain. But yeah I just want to get

driving so I can I can give it a shake down on the actual road.

So it's so we're very close bunting we're very close.

If you can come over and help me bleed stuff.

Then hey let's drive, sounds like a plan.

Maybe this weekend. Yeah what else have I done?

Either Barina that I bought a long time ago.

I've finally back from holidays and I've got that sort of into gear. So it's had a new windscreen

today it's getting two, new rear tires and getting roadworthy need and then I'll pick that up and read Joe it and yeah, pop that for so nice. I thought that was sold already.

I completely forgot about that. No, I forgot about it too but

that's, yeah, that's in the wings and things are happening to it. That is a baddie with cars.

I think one way Scotty nothing to new from me I'm got a cold on the weekend so just getting over that it's just a kid getting it keep getting them. These German kids.

Yep so not too much on the car front other than I have bought a new air flow meter and it should arrive tomorrow.

Supposedly I was supposed to say it's going to arrive tomorrow.

Oh so did you say hey, maybe Friday this is a new one Scotty?

Yeah, that's cool. How much for the new one because

that was too pricey. Was it 298?

That's not too bad but then that slop Saint.

And then what's happening? Scotty, are we getting this

thing done? You've got now, a 33 days to go.

I'll be, I kept score 33 days. You're running out of time

Scott. I gotta get this suspension

stuff on. I've got it all sitting there.

Ready to go? Don't know how much of it.

I can promise L forgive a crack. The more I can get on the

cheaper. It is for me.

Yeah. Correct.

Well, it's exciting. Loose women.

That's it on my end. Pretty quiet but I am doing car

stuff. Sunday, lovely.

Yeah, we love to hear more about that.

You have to send us some stuff in the group.

Chat will have a look. Well do at these with me.

So my panel beater called me and said the insurance company do not want to pay the full amount for for the so called the coding to go back on. Right?

So I don't like, well, that's a bit ridiculous.

He's like, I agree. So I have to now deal with the

insurance company, which will be fun, so that's, that's going to be interesting. So that's that it fast, does it

go in tomorrow morning to get its recall?

And inspections that like hasn't even done the 3,000 cases but but sure it'll, it'll has to get done.

What else would I really done much this week?

Because I've been here. In a bit of pain.

I think. I think that's it.

I think I'm pretty much covered. I think that 30-day any bites on

that. No, I've reduced the price a

little bit. Nothing yet I've reduced the

price on the other counseling as well for Forester for that and that's still just it's of reducing and reducing a reducer to the point where it is. It is the cheapest one for that

Speck in case and everything and still nothing so far, is it, you don't want to know. It's a Holden Cruze make sense

as to, why hasn't sold? But I've had like three people

We'll come and look at it. And everyone's over time said,

yeah. Drives really well.

We're, yeah. We're going to search one more.

And when will my chair never heard back?

So I'm assuming, by that time someone's been, it was Valerian said, don't buy a Holden Cruze, they're not a good car, and I would be on this side. I completely agree.

So that is what is happening with that, gentleman, but my uncle seems to be enjoying the, the 124.

It's running, smooth as silk. Apparently up up up north, he's

going to do some work on the Shouldn't because you had that flare. He reckons he had a flair, so he

reckons, he can fix it. He's like, I'm pretty pretty

handy with with her with the transmission.

So I'm like go for your life, have fun.

So he'll do that, and he's really done the, their version of a road where the up there. So, it's pretty much ready to go

on a historical plate up there as well.

So it's got the sign off from his Club where he's with and yeah he'll be he'll be on the road in no time so that that will be Exciting. Very, very good.

But anyway, gentleman been is my car Updates this week gentlemen, the reason I'm bringing up this topic for tonight is cars in general. Are getting to either super

complicated to the point where they're too hard to use or they getting too simple that if you're getting to put things in or can just but not bothering and saying deal with it when the issue happen too often. Have I seen people on the side

of the road with a punch And node, no spare tire because most modern cars these days. Don't even have a space saver

anymore. They've got like an emergency

kit, which is which for sometimes if you blow a hole outside your side, will guess what?

You're getting at 0 because you cannot drive.

Absolutely. So you got me thinking, I'm like

new cars and things that we don't like about new cars.

Don't have to be one of my number one pet peeve but maybe others as well. I thought I'd get your opinion

guys and why are companies doing this Earth.

Things that are it has to be like an are going to be like a bean counter kind of thing, right?

Like for example, with getting, we're getting rid of us, like, okay, getting rid of a full-size spare for a space over.

Okay. You can only do atk's, at least,

we'll get you out of trouble. Now, giving you a little kit,

that does nothing. If you blow out a side wall or

something, you're pretty screwed and you're going to be needed tone. If you're in the middle of

nowhere, and there's like, drop bears around you and stuff going to be quite. You're going to be quite quite

scared, because you're not going anywhere to go.

You're gonna be waiting, a very long time, and if you can't get to a safety point, You know, it's not a good thing.

A lot of times you can't even option for one now, correct.

That's going up. Yeah, yeah.

It was a big factor when when BMW and mini, you know, back in the early 2000s, first went to the run-flats, I think many did a first in like I one or two or something.

And then the 3 Series got them with the E90 somewhere around 2005. That was a very very hot topic

because they literally all had run-flats pretty much except the end cars. And some alloy wheels.

They didn't have some models at my mum's. 5-series had had

normal tires because it was the pissy little alloy wheels, and that was the only one that got a Spare.

The rest were all kind of goop and whatever, but yeah, it was a big thing and I think it all stems from Europe, you know, because Europe, nothing's very far away.

You know? Like I've just been through the

south of France, he can't drive ten cases without hitting the next Little Village or the next town or something.

And so you just Just really are far more connected, you know, somewhere like Europe, then you are here, you know, and we do do massive distances. And when you start going on

Melbourne to Sydney or Melbourne Adelaide or you pretty remote, there are, there's not a lot out there and I think that's where it works in Europe to a degree, where it doesn't work as well here. And I know that, I mean, the

technology like most people these days, it like it is rare to get a flat tire rarer than it used to be.

I think it depends where you driving obviously and building sites and at Aureus the not great in terms of picking up nails and things but you know Tire technology and everything he's better. And so you don't, you know, when

you ask most people the street, when was the last time you had a flat tire? Most people say oh God kind of

remember you know it was it was a long time ago, whereas it used to be a, you know, very, very common, you know, with older ties to have issues with them and what have you.

So I think I think the tech has improved But that peace of mind factor of, you know. I just in case if you were

driving to add later Sydney well yeah I want to spare so I found it. I found it really interesting

like this present with with the fiesta I bought because the pre-facelift, you could get an option with the panoramic roof and and they stopped may stop doing it.

So I'll for the update which I've had a bit because I was going to option, I was going up to the roof was like, why not?

And they're like no, we're not doing anymore.

And anyway, What I found out the reason, one of the one of the main reasons about about that, if you order the panoramic roof, it doesn't come with a space saver or a spender.

You get the kind of goop. And I'm like, why is that the

like I'll because it's you know, the weight like the weight increase of the glass roof you know we're going to negate it by taking away your spare time. I like that's just ridiculous

like you may as well look. Like that's just insane.

So a lot of people that that that option of pan roof ended up ordering a SpaceSaver spare, just to having their ages, their like screw a screw accounting. Group because that's just

ridiculous. But yeah, I found it.

I found it a bit insane that, you know, especially with the distance, like you said, and with that, that we cover that most modern cars these days don't have even a space over these names, like, I used to be discussing when I say open, like the boot of my mom's most history.

And I had a space. I was like, what is this?

And then the other cars are not even having it.

I'll be like, I'll take the space anymore.

Yeah. It's a Venturi driving.

Like a lot of people if you just panning around town and you're only ever around town, or yeah, well, fine can of Google and you got to Roadside membership. You know, you'll be fine.

But yeah. Like and that was that.

That was like when we bought the heiress cross for mum, I was conscious of that because they're an early reports were saying, not doesn't have any Spirits account of groups, kind of goop. But that's only and I think that

was before the speckled been, none of that may be fully for Australia, but that was only on the top all-wheel drive model because the all-wheel-drive battery takes up part of the boot and therefore, you lose his space saver, but anything other than the all-wheel-drive in the hybrids and everything that, you know, gets a space saver. So I was like, ah, once I found

that out, get was one of my main hesitations with that car was there's no Spears, no spells, no spit.

Then I found that out when I we don't want to drive great.

Okay. That, that was the same with the

crawl across. Yeah, yeah, I also think it's

also time, for example, takes about 10-15 minutes to change a tire. Yeah.

Otherwise, otherwise you're out there waiting for hours for roadside assistance. Yeah.

So you know and it's also that's a comedian Inconvenience.

And in a big annoyance, I'd rather get out the Jack and just Jack it up, change the wheel and and big be gone and deal with it later. And you could also think like

it's interesting because I we had have a flat tire for years and we've had to not just flat tires destroyed tires in the last 18 months and we with all the potholes.

I mean, you hearing it more and more, you know, and theoretically you can actually I will, you know, you can play I'm back from Vic roads and but that's that's so profit problematic in there. It's, there are so many people

trying to claim that their loophole will be closed up pretty quickly. But yeah, we been looking around

for something new but that's and that's one of the things.

It's got to have, got to have a, some sort of spare tire.

It's we're not going to not have you can't say net these days are hardly anybody that is flat tire because there seems to be so much more debris on the road to, you know, stuff form of trading, all the building going on in their stuff falling off you Stuff that not spare tire of for me.

Thanks and the thing with the goop to use it once and then you got to buy a whole new compressor and Google Earth and all that sort of thing as well. So I mean that's not cheap and

I'm sure that won't be a spare part of available for very long anyway. Yeah.

Yeah, I've heard that gooey stuff is a pain in the butt when they try and remove your tire and clean your ring, get all them off heard. That's pretty much the same but

like also the What if you're in like a like a high-level car park or something? And roadside assistance, can't

come to you and your guitars completely shot and you can't get out what happened there. They have to they'll have to you

after like Jack the car, believe it in the air, put on stands, go get your wheel fixed and bring it back or the other the other new parking ticket. Then why me?

The other thing is Matthew, you with the can of goop cars, you don't get a jack, you don't get a wheel brace a cheese like, because of course, there's no time to be changed.

And so, That's the secondary problem is.

We'll hang on, you know, I can't check my car if I can't remove wheel because I don't I don't have the equipment to do it.

So I had a few clients have been W.

That were buying that stuff and the Wheel from parts to put in their boot, should they go to the country sort of thing, you know? Like it's alright.

I know it's a bit. Yeah, I don't think Tire.

Technology has gotten good enough or goop Technologies, gotten good enough that we can do it go without in this in this country. Uh yeah, I agree.

Well that was my first gripe about new cars and then and like you know the current kind of climate of of that.

What do you guys think about about things that you dislike in new modern cars? And why I've got a list of a few

things earliest you know Scotty and start with.

I don't know if everyone agrees with this one but the some of the touch screens Fiddly and if you're trying to drive and all you want to do is like change the station or something like that and you might not have you know, not all of them come with controls on the steering wheel. It's pretty darn hard to hit

those buttons. Yeah, you're taking your eye off

the road for a long time to look down and try and press on just station as opposed to the old, the older ones.

That was just a button. There's a button there, playing

these Torres and radio. Yeah.

Screens are a bit fiddly finicky they mess up to sometimes and they're all coming area area with work.

It's covered in fingerprints and you've got to kind of.

Do you hold your finger there? Do you slide it up?

Do you have to keep going book? The depressing on the screen?

Like it. It's not ergonomically, you

know, the best option and to add to that.

So Scotty like I, you know, I've got a lot of screens in, in the, in the fiesta and in my laser and stuff and You got to present, you get a bump and you press any else?

Yeah. And it's and it's like I'm going

to go back to the other menu and, and Allah and can be can be quite annoying, but, but like a connection to that is touch sensitive buttons on cars. So I don't Honda did it and then

they were like they got kids. So they went back to buttons

now. Vw's doing it.

I like that touch sensitive buttons and they have just been so, don't just what are they doing?

Didn't they? Listen is creating things to go

wrong. I agree.

Absolutely the button works. Just leave it with a button.

My goodness, it's easy to replace a button away.

Some I've always maintained in my brother and I have had this discussion, numerous times that air conditioning, your climate control. My, a friend Roland has been on

a couple of times, cause of climate out of control, because he normally, if somebody doesn't do what you want, but climate control is one example, you know, you can have passenger Temp and rear passenger tempered driver Temp and on, calculates this that's got sensors around the cabin and blah blah blah.

By far the most economical and ergonomic system is the good old fan. 1, 2 3 4 p.m. temp hotter, temperature cooler, air

conditioning, on air conditioning off, which is a button. And then inside are all outside,

are you know? And like the old cameras and

then essence of the Toyotas ago, everyone had that system sort of back in the day, nailed it. Well, I got a bit Fancy Pants

and you just can't beat it. You go number one, on the face,

medium done, like you don't, I don't know.

Code twist it a bit to the right, just a bit to the left like it really is very ergonomic and they sort of don't think they got any better than that. They tried with their climate

control but I really don't think it's better than that.

Yeah. So that I find that annoying and

it never climate control. I always control manually.

I never ever push automatic, I always go, I'll put the fan.

Well want it over the temper. I want to put the aircon, you

know, and I'm like, I tell it what I want.

Yeah, the way around with my Subaru, I'll hit Auto because it turns out Nothing on for me and then I just the fan in a menu menu? Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, okay.

Yeah, it's so annoying. What else go to use it?

He said, well, I completely agree with you with that one.

I reckon they are the horrible things, but I may say in lightly and on Mercedes and stuff to these fake exhaust tips.

Yeah. These the ones where it's like

built into the bumper. Yeah.

And if you look closer, you can actually see underneath where the exhaust is either under the bumper, like aiming down or just It's a tiny little exhausting that make it look like, it's got these massive. Yeah, it looks horrible in a

world that's so concerned with the environment, it's ironic that, that we're drawing attention to the the tail pipes in the exhaustion, these cars. Yeah, Journey attention to

something that when you do look at you go, oh, okay, that's fake. And you can see it just iced.

Don't sound as understand. Fake just have it hidden away.

Why I have something that looks awful.

You say it completely agree with you.

I think that's one of the big height of most people like when they see a fake exhaust, you just like what is the point like the bean counters could save 30 cents there by not putting it there instead of saving 30 cents and on getting rid of a space saver spaghetti. Exactly so Right, like Auto.

Stop start. You know, the turns the motor

off at the traffic lights. That always annoys me.

I always turn it off. If you can, especially if it's a

hot day because your car turns off and your aircon and everything turns off, well, I mean are considered keeps going as best it can but the motor kicks in if it needs.

Yeah, he tries to, but starts blowing hot air on.

You just find it annoying? Yep.

Don't like radar cruise control. I find that in the morning, I

like cruise control. I don't know.

Right, a cruise where it pulls you back from the car in front.

And yeah, I've heard can't remember who but they've got it.

And it leaves a gap. Big enough.

That other cars keeps light into that Gap.

Exactly what further back again. Exactly.

And you find chatting away and I had the radar cruise, I thought, why is it run over taking one? I feel like I'm taking an hour

and a half to get to Delong what's going on?

And it was exactly that people are slotting into that safety Gap and Then it pulls you back first and then it pulls you back to it whereas normally you have Crews on 100 or whatever and you, okay you're approaching someone arm approaching all go out and around them and you don't even think and you just do it and there's something to be said for that, but the radar Cruise will only do that when the roads completely clear.

So your, you've actually you've got to actively think.

Okay. I'm going to pull out to the

right, you know? Then wait for it to wake up and

realize there's no one there and then go and then someone's on your arse and it just doesn't, I just don't like, you know, I don't like it. I will control what I'm doing

and what's B? Not the silly car system.

You tired. Pulling you tell?

Aunt, Pauline. And I'm about overactive aeb.

I don't like that either. It has it on a couple of

occasions going off when I've been driving Mum's Car.

Now, I've gone. Can I know what I'm doing?

Shut down. And you can see the lift lines.

Clear? So, you know, Go to go around

the in the left lane and indicate and then we had the thing beeps away at you it is like yours, cut this cut.

I know. Yes, I can, there's probably one

time with you. That this that's where is the

where's the condos? It was all because I was, you

know, I was giving way to down a narrow strait and I was pulling behind a car. That was a stationary car that

was parked and it just, it just triggered, it said it Collision alert collisional, oh my God. Geez that my mom's Mercedes has

done that a couple times and we've had an error, sometimes that's popped up and said. Careful car tipping over.

We're reversing and stuff and we've had this.

Yeah, like going to tip over like be careful.

Wow. The way it's not my drawing on

what angle it's on or something, but it's like a no careful alert or something. Like it's fine.

Control to keep it all to give it off.

Yeah. Yeah, I've had it slam the

brakes on on me in the Mercedes. Yeah.

Yeah. Who's the part?

That I wasn't even near me. It's slammed the brakes on me.

And obviously, yes, scares you, you like, what?

Like, I didn't need to break and, you know, most of the time I say 99% of the time, perfect undo, anything like that.

But just all of a sudden it just has a bit of a hissy fit and it's like, no to close gonna crash bulb.

Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of beeps and

bones that go on these days. You think?

Calm down. He didn't even reverse senses.

We've got a jazz in the family and we had reversed, sensitivity. When we got it early model,

aftermarket ones, but they are so sensitive that the person who drives it down, said, I've actually don't even since that I'm, you know, like if they just go off, you know, she's spent quite a bit of time, getting out of the car and actually walking around to see if there was something behind her.

And there was, you know, it's the angle.

Get out of there or something like that, you know.

I mean, absolutely nothing to be freaking out.

It's a bit like getting an racv Testament, unrolled car, and they come up with 14,000 things that are wrong with it because they're just covering themselves.

And I think those early reverse senses are doing the same thing, you know, anything within a kilometer of the universe, I'm beeping. That's right.

That's pretty much how it works. I think.

Well, it's very, we talked, and I know we sound very old saying this, but back on the weekend and I, you know, in the sky Camp with nothing driving me on. You know, country roads out west

of Victoria. And it's like, you know, we

commented about just how well we're getting there, were getting there. Fine like you, do you all this

crap? That's in these new cars?

I don't know. It's actually all that but you

just think really we are so conditioned thinking we needed or when you just don't like yeah, it's not that long ago that people. This is what they drove every

day and you still get there and you sort of happy hour in a way.

It's a really interesting thing. Sorry, Go on?

No no I got fired. I don't know.

I'll just kind of say it's really interesting.

That whole thing with getting a car for their kids for the kids to drive, you know you wanted to be safe and all that.

Well ya can't possibly have a car for them that doesn't have you know, stability control and look at sat and all those sorts of things. And we've done a, my kids had my

car's all started off with cheaper cars, that they could third party insurers, and comprehensively ensure and they will turn Taught him how to drive, you know, I think a lot of the safety features especially things like stability control their great in their place.

Absolutely fantastic. However, if you then driving

carbon doesn't have them, you know, you can be in real trouble, you know? I mean, you know, he looks like

we talked to on the weekend to about the mill waste you know, like like I have a very good bearing of where I am in Melbourne mainly because you know you grow up using a male ways and actually learning sort of exactly what would network and what goes north south and what doesn't Now you know his nephew just Bunga Dino you go to go on your phone and use Link it and you don't sort of learn that.

So I feel like there will be this generation little don't have a good grasp on where you are in Melbourne gives you use NAB your whole life sort of thing.

I remember with my first laser eye, it had nothing like if I was at all kids, these days. What with that guy had there'd

be like, your parents are trying to kill you.

They're trying to get rid of it in context.

Like a Sunday afternoon and just try to figure out where we go from there. So I thought that was one of the

one of the best things to do that to do that.

And Looks best way to learn the city.

Best way to learn your way around places, and I do not end up in some, in some, in some weed.

It was cool. Summers are never heard about

and I was like, oh yeah. Well I'll try to make my way

home from you, and then, yeah, just just, but it could take on a Sunday afternoon is like, barely any traffic.

And you can just, you can just, you know, what do I home?

And it's like, oh yeah, I know this road is melting, right?

I can go from here and yeah, bang on your way home so, but yeah, I can understand how a lot of those.

Well, a lot of people, these days, Don't even know what I'm always is like their would be like, what was in my ways?

So it's kind of a yeah, it's a dying art.

I think it is. I've got to say this to shout

out to the man that invented, although the one that invented set now though, be if you're in another country and you have no idea where you are, don't speak the language absolute godsend, he just follow it and it tells you which way to go and, you know, out in the Boondocks of Japan, you know, in a cake art K, rent a car and your Yeah, no idea of the language no i.d. be

just follow that little little line and gets you there.

It's a freaking. We like it.

We like it. Then we like when it's winter in

your own hood you thinking? Um, that's ridiculous.

Yeah. What are you doing?

We're getting that much information in cars.

But not the information you want, because so many cars.

Don't even have temperature gauges anymore through.

Basic one is what you want, it'll just come up with a light to tell you, you know, you're overheating.

But when does that begin at this, like too late, then you can see page, already climbing, very cool idea.

My sister that did not have a temperature.

And I was like, that's absolute Insanity especially for performance oriented issues. Yeah.

Because I remember when my, when my brother first had any driver to the snow, the first weekend he had it it overheated in the snow which is which, which I thought was quite funny and he's like he's like you wouldn't know until until the bloody red light came on and I was like that's it was too late, I cook tomato and and you know so so the first thing I did was to one of the first things I did when I got the car was I put a temperature gauge and it just because I was like, well, it's a It's got a lot more power than what I should have, but this car should have this one Factory. I don't know why it didn't

attempt you guys from Factory. So I don't know.

It was just like it's an aftermarket inverted, commas gauge add-on, but I thought it was handy because it was like, well, it's nice to keep an eye on it.

Especially if you're doing long distance or anything will push you on a hard Road and you notice the different like like in that Mercedes 230. I've got I noticed that in

traffic, you know, while back it was just getting a smidgen hotter than it used to and I thought didn't used to get to that level and it was only a smidgen Overheating but it was hotter than it used to be and I said the mechanic, can you check that out? And he pressure test.

Is it? Look at all those finals.

Fine. Then after a couple of days he

found a really slow leak from the water pump.

That was causing the water level, just to get down a little bit and it was just running a little bit hotter.

So, replace their water pump, which was the original one, you know, lasted 30. Something is put a brand new one

on and then, it's back to exactly how it was, but it's only me knowing the car and noticing that, that kind of pick that up, you know, if you didn't have that gauge, you had no idea and And you literally would cook the motor and, you know, then you're up for, you know, five, six, seven, eight thousand dollars to rebuild it. So it's and they don't want to

give us that information. They want you to take it to the

dealer and let them all that way in the eighth spending $1000 or yeah. But you know basic gauges.

All new cars should have it whether its performance on not saying about made on the weekend.

You know that the two things if I've learned anything about cars over the last 40 years or whatever, the two things that will kill an end, Elective oil and lack of water, you know, if an engine has oil and it has water, it will run.

Even if it's Smoky and it's, you know what, its last legs.

It's even if it's got only a whiff of compression left.

Usually will keep running. If it's got oil and water in it

and that's what kills engines, you know, more than anything else. Lack of one of those major

fluids. I just want to just didn't say

that they'll have that, they'll have, you know, no gauges on on Modern cars for for a temperature.

Because well Tom, it is too late.

It Pete. You're right.

People are for a big big expenditure and that's just it's just it's something I don't know about where's I could potentially stop it from happening.

I could stop at anything could be something as simple as a two-dollar rubber hose. You know like a and you're

putting a lot of faith in a light to come on.

Yeah, that's right. Oh that sense.

It could be faulty that the light up the LED could be blown anything. While again engage got to.

You want to go age. Exactly.

Just a basic one. Just you.

Say it if it's going to rise, a little doesn't have to be 100% accurate because, you know, a lot of ones from back in the days, are not very accurate, but but, you know, we normally, yeah, if you Stateside to raising like that's not normal going up to that high pull over, save yourself thousands.

Having said that this Camp has no temperature gauge because it has no cooling systems, cooling system here, ya know that they've done. That they've gone one step

further, done away with the entire thing.

That's the future rain hail or Shine.

That's The Quiet of the night. Scotty.

That's the future. That's the thing.

That would be awesome age.

Yeah, I In say that that cars don't don't have that have the basic necessity of, you know, gauges that, that that they should happen. Yeah.

I, uh, I find it. I just want to ridiculous.

It's just, it's a pet peeve of mine.

Don't vary across Maddie temperature gauge temperature gauge to check into things, but they're more design things.

And, yes, David, I want to check in visibility.

Yeah, that's one of mine. That was one of my yes.

So true. And I've said it before, and

I'll say it again. And at the risk of this episode

becoming boomers are us. Yeah, headline news, headlines.

What's going on with headlines? Hang on better than they used to

be the LEDs and so they're very good.

Yeah. But I'm talking from a design

point of view, you know. They look like, you know, some

keep designed to being so great, sometimes not lose any wrong with kids in third grade Scotty. Well, I don't like it like it.

Is we goals are theirs? Yeah, I've got pulling Hanson,

Edward Bunty and pulling Hanson David Prince tonight.

So to reflect on your first point about about the visibility. I completely agree with you, I

think. Yeah, some blind spots and some

cards, someone in cars and I've driven a horrendous, like, horrendously bad. And I get that like, the pills

have to be a bit thicker and stuff to fit airbags and extra safety. I understand that I can I can

pass the pillar like that, you know?

The pillars being a bit thicker, but what I cannot forgive is your back blind spot. Yeah, cannot see out of your

wreath recorder over the shoulder.

Yeah, I cannot forgive that it's especially when they're doing it for design purposes. Like, look at the current gen

Mazda3, it's her edit, hate it for you.

And you get like even hatchbacks, you get them for like a good size back window. But they are tiny.

Yeah. See anything out of them.

Nothing at all. And I think that's why they came

around and started getting blind spot sensors lights on your side mirrors. Now, will because of this?

Yeah, because you can't see you do a full head, check and everything used to be very classy.

Yeah, you're in a little cocoon now and you can't see.

Yeah, you got a coffin. It's only a little coffin, get

the three and I'll be picking up this carpet tonight with the with the no temperature gauge and a horrendous blind spot.

It had the first First thing I noticed when I drove, when I drove that car is because you always do a head check.

I'm like I couldn't say. And what are you trying to look

more further on? You really moved up to 300

meters in the road, to try to try see your blind spot.

You're going to have an accident and I think making an electronic Aid to help you get to great thing but it's also going to teach people to be a lot more lazy or not.

Not do had checks. So yeah, I think I think, you

know, it has to be function over form for that for that main thing and like, you know, I'm at, what have you to forgive an extra? Do you know three quarter window

at the back? If it, if it can give you that

good visibility? Because, as I said some cars,

especially encouraging Meza, 3, horrendously bad.

Like, yeah, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be allowed to be to

have gone into production. It's not bad glass.

Can't ruin the lines of car. Anyway.

No, you can adapt it. Easily or glass and glass can be

very safe as well. Like, I think the one of my

favorite cars in the world is the Tesla Model 3 and it's got a glass roof. Oof or whichever one's got the

glass roof and they did these side impact test the role test and everything else, a for the middle.

So you know that the technology the technology is there, but the we just choosing to not use it. So he reminds me of the things

of Range, Rover Evoque with the most smallest rear window I've ever seen considering how huge they are.

Yeah. A tiny little window like that

but itís ehrs another one. Yeah.

Yep. Scotty I've got I've got the

answer to You know what, Land Rover thought ahead of it with that. But that's going to they made

the Evoque drop top and you don't have to worry about, that's so true. Yeah, so one yesterday, I did I

help. I've been spanked.

Was it a dark blue? Me duck.

Duck color. Oh no, this was an orange one.

No, I saw, I saw a dark blue and gray one.

Wow. Okay, ladies.

So like five of them do know is they sold any, really, what was the person driving? It very orange as well.

David obviously I'm from the that's out of town.

I didn't I didn't get a close enough.

Look at him, which surprised me, but no, I can't can't confirm or deny that they are horrendous thing.

I don't understand what, why can't like our makers do do things like that, like especially making it so invisible to anything. Do you cannot sing it out of the

car? We just kind of have to put of

driving, isn't you? Need to see where you're going?

I did. I've got I've got one more I did

ask my wife, this Tonight, you as asked to up the topic is and I told her if she said cup holders, she said they're too deep in the CRV for a small art. A I said I think probably that's

probably the two deep makes it too hard to get the cup back up as a big drink bottles. Ice is rind designed for

Marigold. Yeah, I've never known people to

just want and need cup holders all the time.

I'm amazed when you look at all those they're going to fit the bill. I've seen Karen's got a live-in,

you having friends over for a party or what?

Yeah, that's drinking. Are you doing?

Yeah, in your car. It's a crown car.

They just keep coming out with all.

Yeah. Well thanks Kath for that.

Those are very, very good observation.

Yeah, absolutely. I know his attention, just for

my said, I think that might be the biggest personal problem.

I've heard him recently for you guys as well.

Yesterday, when I was on my way to my appointment, my dad was taking me obviously. And we were in his tweet or in

which is, which is a lovely car, super smooth anyway, he's like, I'm sure he was trying to call my brother and he's got the voice recognition system and they never work.

I'm sorry. They use As do not work, no

matter what brand or carve driven they do not work Carla.

Look at, is that it makes it, the Toyota, they make like a, like a, like a, like a thing. Like for yes, or I could do it

like no, he's, but that's getting frustrated.

Ahead of the things, the things just at it already.

Booked. Yeah.

Yeah. Very like perfectly formed words

for. Yes.

That just reminds me of the Top Gear episode with the Mercedes.

Yes. And he's just trying to put, I

think he's trying to put a number in through voice recognition. Mmm.

And it's so did not work. Yeah, we have come a long way to

be fair, though, like the Apple carplay and Android auto ones, work quite well. They work a lot better than the

standard Automotive ones, which I think the like the stand of companies just given up now. But like, ah, they everyone of

used, they just do not work like they forget about it.

So but yeah. Especially for people like my

dad who are quite ethnic. They do not work well at all but

we also need an Aussie version 1.

Yeah we do you do Mumble a lot, doesn't it?

Yeah. Can you call the missus?

Can I call the what? Take me to the nearest Servo.

Yeah, yeah have no clue. It just turned itself off.

Give up another one for me is piano black.

Oh, piano back, piano, black plastic.

I got this one too. I had this one, too.

It's just like, yes, it looks nice when it's clean one day.

It's all it takes one day for fingerprints.

Dust and scratches and it is ruined forever.

I mean, people can polish it back up and stuff, but like, it's just looks like after one day, it looks horrendous and I'm like, well, yeah, this is, there is the reason why I cannot stand cars with with piano black and it's in everything.

Every card I've seen recently, he's got piano black and I was like, you know, black ladies, love it.

Y'all don't know why. I like this with it has become

such a, such a big thing. Like it's just, it's just it's

too hard to get rid of them. Princeton stuff it is and they

streak in the fingerprint strictly.

You try to rub off and it scratches the plastic because it's a very unique because it because it's very shiny chose all the reflections. Yeah, I don't know.

And a little bit of in-depth knowledge.

I used to sell very expensive, high-end pianos back in the day.

Well, right? And you're going to keep them

clean. Is a pain in the butt.

Yeah. Dusting them, and everything.

All the time, if you work Scotty, Alan's or somewhere, No, it was, it was actually need a fo so that they sold like the Steinway pianos. A senior, I was selling those

for not very long, you play piano.

No, I didn't know. Let's just drop.

It was, it was, it was not my style.

It was pretty boring. I guess, the only good thing was

that When it's very quiet. I'd grab one of their books and

I'd sit at their 350-thousand dollar piano and practice myself on. Its yeah, we go to the most

expensive one, you know, the cost as much as a Lambo and sit there and playing Chopsticks. Yep.

You can see people coming because I feel like I can show you middle C doing here. The quality of that vehicle.

See you think? That's but yeah to have that in

cars is ridiculous fingerprints. Can't get them off and what are

you in big cars? Like no, like no, real space

like SUVs these days. We've got a horrendously bad,

real, like space. And head.

Space is Harry's beak. Space is not big, like, I was

sitting. I was looking at a X4 on drove,

right. Past me, a wide x 4, and the

roofline, like the people in the back leaning forward, because because the roofline like and then like they look cramped, I like, who designs a card that big With no space inside, it makes absolutely no sense. It completely just does not make

any sense to me. I went in the next six, not that

long ago. And yeah, I thought the same

thing I was in the back and it's of course, it's an M Sport with a black roof, liner and black Upholstery.

And it was all very oppressive and not much glass.

And yeah, not bucket, loads of room.

And I was like, yeah, this is a massive car.

And as you saying, not great and space, I'm really leaning towards what I was thinking. I'd haven't got written down but

with Sedans. Like, remember back in the day

if you've got something big to move around a long, you'd grab a sedan but now their boots are small seats.

Don't even fold down. You get nothing in them useless.

You want to move stuff. Get a hatchback.

Yeah. But I only want to do it.

Yeah, I moved so much stuff. I moved house twice in my forest

and it fit my whole bed sweet in the Forester.

And it was all like my brother's Ranger couldn't fit a quarter of that. He's I will feeding more stuff

in the rain, in the, in the forest of We're in the range land, and that's a huge, right? So dual-cab, you to another pet

peeve of mine, but the Army was about to, like quickly, just mention dual-cab, as well as like, what's up one of those?

But yeah, that's okay. We'll just dust over that one.

Yeah. They just got team in the top

selling cars in Australia. That's right.

Yeah. No boot space in them.

We've got a three seater antique couch in the downstairs Lounge that that's quite. If you saw it, you go.

It's not a tiny couch. I got that in mums.

A wagon when we moved to our which I was mm, you know, like to doing it but I couldn't believe.

If you saw the car and you saw the catch if you say, there's no way that's going to fit in there, but it did make the wagon. You could fit a forbidden

though. Yeah, there have been our big

wagon. They were big wigs.

One more for me. This is probably, this is like

Takes the Cake electric hand brakes.

Oh, I don't like them to be pulling out.

I don't like it. Why not?

Just like, have a like the pull up the handbrake and be done.

Like, you know, you get away from this stuff.

I want to button your wife or to make the noise and you're like, all right, I'll get out of the car and just traditional hand brakes so much better. And of course for car people

there bit more fun too but will grants will glance over that.

I hate a different culture and all that sort of stuff.

But the when they, when they fail to fail to operate, they can be very Very expensive to repair it bubble.

Yes, horrendously expensive. And it makes it makes no sense

just like extra extra things that they brought in that they're like oh you know this is a good idea but it's just not and like but it's again I want to mention is before the car industry, I just sheep they just follow whatever where everyone else does. And you know, just because one

person thought it's a good idea doesn't mean that everyone, you know, things together are like one person puts sequential indicated. All, let's all put sequential

indicators. Like, I'm just, I don't like

those either. They're a bit, wanky aren't a

lot of them annoying so they were going to look at.

Have you seen the Masters latest ones?

I don't think I'm as it's not been that they deserve this one.

They do like a heartbeat kind of like, you know, like be pulse hosting for the indicators. I'm like, what kind of lanky

crap is that, like what? Like what is that?

Why is that needed? Why is it a function y?

Is that if you know, it should just like it's just an indicator. It's they're telling you what to

do not. It's not telling you, are you

the car's? Got a pulse.

That's to do this too. And I may be some other cars.

I've seen the indicators. Not where the headlight is it

slower? Yeah.

Some calls work roundabouts because they put bushes and stuff. There, you don't see the

indicator at all. Hmm.

But wishes. Yeah.

So because it's so down low. And you're used to seeing where

the headlight is for an indicator.

See if they're turning or not. It's actually down a lot lower

and you can't see it. I don't always me very bad.

That like that long story, we all that need to buy old cars.

We already did. Yep.

Completely agree. With you all of my cars.

Have a spare wheel good. They don't all have tent gauges.

I don't know. Need them.

Exactly. What do you say?

It's okay. Because it's the way the future

the future. It doesn't mean cooling.

Just cool it with I know Porsche had it right?

I don't know. And they just basically saying

that a scam because like a Japanese Porsche pretty much, pretty much. Yeah, I'll take that.

I'm in the complete opposite direction but it's okay.

It's closer than any other one. Before we get on to the next

thing we could go on all night with this one more.

One more quick one. I'll slide it.

These rims are two big these days.

Yeah, there's no. And I think that links with what

David was saying with a lot of rims cracked and damaged you.

Yeah, yeah absolutely. There's no queue on it.

There's no comfort from a nice bulbus Tire anymore.

It's all like 20-inch rim with these licorice strips around it.

And yeah, Wonder you've got you got issues grinding them on gutters. You've got issues with potholes

and punctures and the ties are expensive because they're massive and the tram lining effect.

What happened to a good old 20, 565 15 gone you know that That's a tie. You can get everywhere for like,

50 bucks and a comfortable ride is had in that car.

Absolutely. So what we're saying is guys

know if you were to buy a new car and the only things that you'd want in your car, it getting rid of all this piano black and non-electric handbrake BS.

You guys would be happy with aircon Palace Teja dials and switches what else nakano, pasty.

I want nothing, I'm going back to mokey mokey.

The Moke in the Scamper going to be my to Dailies.

That's a man, seeing everything else.

I have to see you. Yeah, you know what doors, I

don't want doors, though. Some lame old.

You want doors. We have a doors is Windows that

go bang and locks that bugger up there.

I'm done with doors. I just want to walk out in fall

into the car. Yes.

Job you want visibility? Not a problem.

It's a blind spot in the Smoke. But I thought of it when the,

when the temps off the top and the roof of it doesn't matter skips as you would say, it would James guess cats might I want to be able to jump from my roof and jump straight into the car and drive off. Yeah well I think it is time for

the quiz. All right you ready?

We are ready to go? Let's get it.

Let's go. There's a little bit of a theme

with tonight's quiz. See if you can pick what it is

once we're into it, it's mine. Can you keep score?

Please made miles ahead of you already done.

Wonderful question, 1, the Citroën DS had a wagon version.

What was it called? Okay.

But David, that would be the Safari correct.

Very well. Question 2, who am I launched in

1987? I was designed in Australia for

our Market. Only, I shared my Mechanicals

with my sedan siblings that were released a couple of years before. For me, I was a huge load

carrier and sold well in a few different trim levels.

Including GLX executive SE Elite David korth you.

Yes, David that would be the Magna station wagon, correct.

The station will be twice the our question 3, if you're listening. Oh yeah.

And the link. Will he book in the range?

Convicted. Exactly questions rate.

Where does the term shooting brake?

Come on. Yeah, I shouldn't have said,

what's up? Okay, I'll give it a go for

memory. It was from when people used to

be in the back with guns to shoot they could fit through.

Is that correct? Yeah, I'll pay that.

Historically, the term comes from the vehicle that shooting parties would use on Hunt's. It had to be practical to the

rifles and the shooting game while and about currently, it's called a break because this describe the carriage used to train and break-in Young Horses shooting, right.

There you go. And have serbs had to have a

decanter for the whiskey, I think to.

Yeah, you would hope so. You would have absolutely.

That's a necessity question or see, that's what we need.

A modern car that, you know, we should question for which company calls their wagons Event, Matthew Matthew that would be Audi. Correct.

Audi question 5 which letter denotes a Mercedes wagon.

I think it was Matt that was damn close tea party and what does it stand for? Well, is that it is other bonus

question. No, it's just part of the same

question. Damn it!

Geez, I don't give it a but I think can be a bonus that you're at Matthews. Okay.

No, no no apparently stands for transport.

It's cool. Okay, Jin 640, transport

injection. I should say to you question,

six, who made the first Woody Wagon.

And in what year, I will say Ford and that's a half a point or a point of the point. Yeah.

And I'll say 1950. 50 back. Anyone else want to have a crack

at the year? For half a point?

I'm gonna say 1963 back. We're gonna do close to you.

All right. David, I can't really hear.

Ira, can I think you're right? 250 1950 back, David, you win.

It was 1929 in the model, a little wagon.

But Mike OK. Google quickly check the score

2-0. Yes.

Coach X Project myself, 3.5, David 2.5, Scotty at the score.

Come on Scotty. Come on man.

Get on the board. Right?

If you want girl say that the theme the theme is wagons, okay?

And you know you don't get a point for that.

It's just in my mind I get a point seven.

What was the last Last australian-made Wagon on sale.

Thank you. Matthew.

That would be the Commodore wagon which comical way and the VF Commodore. Wagon co-rect, question 8.

The E28 5-series had a factory wagon version, true or false true. Oh, David correct, false.

There have been some coachbuilt one-off versions do I people in backyards, but there was never a Factory 28.

Wagon question nine. Honda's 90s wagon version of the

Accord was called the yes David Because the arrow did correct the heretic school. Check David you and I are equal

on 4.5 points. Hopefully, this last question

sorts the wheat from the chaff and in Scotty's, the question, 10 Suzuki had a very boxy little car in the 90s called The Habit.

Yes, David Ali. No, no.

Whew, Matthew the boxy wagon, very boxy little car from the 90s the Vitara know. Hello foxy.

Okay. Sort of like a little mini van,

God couldn't guess. It was the Suzuki wagon r+ and I

had it because it had Wagon in the name.

Oh, waking up. You know, those little wagon r+.

Okay. So who wins at it or do we need

a tiebreaker is in a drawer? That's a drink.

We need a tiebreaker question God.

Okay, what was a unique feature of the tailgate on most BMW wagons? Thank you.

Yes, David The glass open separately, correct?

Dammit? We know well done.

Do you know, you just woke up behind it.

You know, flip the glass up Punky shopping and you didn't have to open the whole Boot and banging into walls and diesels quite a good feature that indeed.

Okay, well that's the quiz. David wins a whole night of

whinging about new cars. Maybe the Next week, we better

do what we like about new cars. Yeah.

Maybe that's a good idea. There's not much to be very

short. So guys, what do you like my new

cars? Thanks for listening in multiple

topics for that night. Yeah.

Previously, there is a video by collecting cars who, you know, that Chris Harrison alike do, but they've been And it's completely remodeled me of you, because they did a, you know what? To look for.

When buying an E46 M3, huh? My God, the list went forever

like that. They, they had it on.

Indeed, like, oh no, they were good car, overall, and all the people of the competition has raised.

He said, yeah, if this was any other car, especially Japanese this would not be here. This would not be in this

discussion, but I have to send it to you, just be like, yep.

Yep, yep, yes. And it's Jimmy, give me a look.

It goes on for everything, they'd least I'll be like yeah I fixed that. Yeah, I think about the the rod

bearings which I thought was a bit was a bit weird.

Usually that would be the first thing they mentioned but they said more head gasket issues than run bearings.

Just yeah, I never had that issue.

Yeah. Out of everything else.

Everything else whittled that car?

Uh-huh. Well, I think that's a podcast.

Thank you, Matthew. Excellent.

Fun. As usual.

Laughter. Bring back.

My cryptic cars with Scotty. Yeah, we're waiting for it.

Scotty? What we can pay has been ready

for quite a few weeks. It's been sitting there back,

bring it back. I've had it ready to roll.

You got to make sure that you and that David and edges on next Tuesday. Thank you will be here because I

hang on next Tuesday's. Cut those public holiday.

So does that mean you won't be? I could still be.

I have No life. So it would be pretty much

because I got a couple questions in there.

That's instead of just cars up, put some movies with cars in as well and it's like that no older older movies I'm not sure if people like math you would know is he's so young.

Yes sir. Was the The Lion King I think

that's it. We've never watched anything

older than the larger I'm dead. Let's take you on a cinematic

Journey. Yes, intimate Journey.

I've seen all the Dirty Harry's Old James Bond's.

I've been back there. Don't worry now, I'll show you

be fine. But you know, the more the

merrier on it to see if just grab some of the movies that I'm not, quite sure if it's overly was overly popular.

If you, Amber it but yeah, it's good.

One believe is in there. Well, that's fine.

Okay, bye. All right guys, we do some

plugs. Scottish dish is gonna snitch on

anymore because well, actually that you can start stitching on Edwards. Edwards Scamp there.

You can see because it's a stitch on the skin.

Nobody stitches on this Camp. Yeah, it's all good.

It's had the last two times. You've taken it out on a run.

It's the, the What's called the legal.

That's an innocent issue. That's not, that's not the fault

of it. I'm telling you Edward, it's how

Starts. That's how it starts.

It's just typical Porsche problems.

Basically Force. That's right.

It's really give you a business card.

You don't help me. Yeah.

You don't know what a Porsche colors.

It's sort of like a, you know that metallic silver blue with it with a black Interiors. It is true.

True two doors are called not much of a back seat, not much of a back seat. There you go, support.

It's another 11. It is an oil of teasing.

All right. Well to Bear within a

non-living. Yeah I thought that that is.

That is true. It is true.

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