These Are The Longest-Lasting Car Brands
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Part
torque wrench
A torque wrench is a special tool that helps you tighten bolts and nuts to the right tightness. It's important because if you don't tighten them enough or too much, it can cause problems.
Part
brake pads
Brake pads are the parts of your car that help it stop. When you press the brake pedal, these pads push against the wheels to slow down the car.
Part
rotors
Rotors are round metal pieces in your car's brakes. When you press the brakes, the pads squeeze these rotors to help stop the car.
Term
lug nuts
Lug nuts are the bolts that hold your car's wheels in place. If they're not tight enough, your wheels could come off while you're driving, which is dangerous.
Brand
Acura
Acura is a luxury car brand that belongs to Honda. They make high-performance cars that are also comfortable and packed with technology.
Brand
GMC
GMC is a brand of trucks and SUVs made by General Motors. They are known for being tough and good for both work and family use.
Brand
Lexus
Lexus is a luxury car brand that is part of Toyota. They make high-end cars that are comfortable and have lots of features.
Car
Toyota Land Cruisers
The Land Cruiser is a big SUV made by Toyota. It's famous for being very tough and good for driving off-road, while also being comfortable inside.
Car
Tesla Cybertruck
The Tesla Cybertruck is a new type of electric truck that looks very different from regular trucks because of its sharp, boxy shape. It's important because it shows how electric vehicles can be strong and useful, just like traditional trucks. People are excited about it because it could change how we think about trucks in the future.
Brand
Chevrolet
Chevrolet is a car brand that makes many types of vehicles, including trucks and cars. Some of their popular models are the Silverado truck and the Corvette sports car.
Brand
Mazda
Mazda is a car company from Japan that makes a variety of cars, including sporty ones. They are known for making fun-to-drive vehicles like the Mazda Miata.
Brand
Cadillac
Cadillac is a luxury car brand that makes expensive and high-quality cars and SUVs. They are known for being very comfortable and stylish.
Car
Dodge Ram
The Dodge Ram is a well-known truck that many people use for work or recreation. It's liked for being strong and comfortable, making it good for carrying heavy loads or driving long distances. People talk about it because it offers a lot of different options to fit what you need.
Brand
Ford
Ford is a well-known car company in the United States that makes many types of vehicles, including trucks and cars.
Brand
Nissan
Nissan is a car company from Japan that makes different kinds of vehicles, including electric cars.
Brand
Subaru
Subaru is a car company that makes vehicles known for their ability to handle tough weather and off-road conditions.
Brand
Volvo
Volvo is a car company from Sweden that is famous for making safe and luxurious vehicles.
Brand
Hyundai
Hyundai is a car company from South Korea that produces a variety of vehicles. They have improved their cars a lot in terms of quality and reliability in recent years.
Car
Toyota Corollas
The Toyota Corolla is a small car that many people trust because it lasts a long time and is easy to drive. It's one of the most popular cars in the world.
Car
Kia Soul
The Kia Soul is a small car that looks a bit like a box, which makes it stand out. It's popular because it's affordable, gets good gas mileage, and has a lot of room inside for passengers and stuff. Many people like it for city driving and its fun appearance.
Part
crankshaft sensor
The crankshaft sensor checks how fast the crankshaft is spinning and helps the engine run smoothly. If it stops working, the engine might not work right or could even fail to start.
Car
Toyota Tundra
The Toyota Tundra is a big truck that many people use for work or towing things like trailers. It's known for being dependable and lasting a long time, but there have been some problems with certain versions that buyers should know about. It's a popular choice for those who need a tough vehicle.
Brand
Jaguar
Jaguar is a luxury car brand from the UK that makes elegant and fast cars, including sports cars and sedans.
Brand
Land Rover
Land Rover is a British car company that makes luxury SUVs designed for off-road driving. They are known for their ruggedness and comfort.
Brand
Mini
Mini is a car brand from the UK that makes small and stylish cars, known for being fun to drive and easy to park.
Brand
Maserati
Maserati is a luxury car brand from Italy that makes fast and stylish cars, often associated with elegance and performance.
Brand
Fiat
Fiat is a car company from Italy that makes small cars. They have a long history and have worked with other car companies, including Chrysler.
Car
Chevrolet Suburban
The Chevrolet Suburban is a big family vehicle that can hold a lot of people and luggage, perfect for trips and activities like soccer practice.
Term
three series
The 'three series' is a model of car made by BMW. It's known for being sporty and comfortable, and many people like to drive it.
Part
ball joints
Ball joints are parts of a car's suspension that help the wheels move up and down while allowing the car to steer. They are important for keeping the car stable and handling well.
Part
suspension
Suspension is what helps your car ride smoothly over bumps. It includes parts that absorb shocks and keep the car stable while driving.
Car
Honda That Honda
The Honda That's is a small car that was mainly sold in Japan and is designed to be very practical. It has a clever shape that makes the inside feel roomy while still being easy to drive in tight spaces. It's not as well-known outside of Japan, but it's a good example of Honda's focus on making useful cars.
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Hello, and welcome to the Truth about Cars podcast. I am Tim Healy, the managing editor, and this
week we're talking Longest Lasting Car Brands and more. Karl Brauer stops by to talk about
ICCars.com's Longest Lasting Car Brands and T-Tech contributor Matthew Guy swings by to
discuss socket wrenches. Mr. Guy and I also discussed the NASCAR Playoffs post Kansas.
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in Truth about Cars podcast, we're always talking about the stuff that we use in
our homes in our cars and on our cars. So tools, cleaning products and the like.
So we always had Matthew Guy, T-Tech contributor extraordinaire with us. And Matthew,
how are you doing today? Hey, Tim, I'm doing great. How are you doing today?
I am doing very well, very well. So we were talking about torque wrenches today. So just
trying to have our listeners forgot who might think this is kind of familiar. We talked
about box socket wrenches about a month and a half ago, four or five episodes ago.
So this is torque wrenches are similar, but a little bit different. So I'll let
Matthew explain the difference and we'll go from there.
Yeah, exactly. And when we talked about the wrenches last time, about, you know,
probably six, six episodes or so ago, we were talking about the wrenches that
are, you just use them and crank on them as much as you can, you know, to tighten
up or loosen up the fastener that you're trying to try to install or
remove. And the thing about torque wrenches is that they operate in the
same manner. You still use a socket with them, you know, so that you can adjust
your half inch or 14 millimeter or 17 millimeter fastener, whatever it might
be. But the torque wrenches allow you to really fine tune how tight you are
snugging up that fastener. So to give you an example over the weekend, I was
doing some breaks on an economy car. And this one had two different sets
of bolts that you had to remove. A set of 14s to get the brake pads off. And if
that's all you needed to do, you just needed to remove those two. But I was
also doing the rotors. So there were two 17s as well that allowed you to
remove the larger bracket. And it was very useful, very helpful to use a
torque wrench for those because the 14s especially are part of a slider
system. And if you over tighten them, you can really damage some of the
internals there. There's a lot of leeway with that. But that's something
you don't want to over tighten. So the specs...
You always want to be extra careful when over tightening anything.
For real. And I've done it numerous times. You know, you snap the head
off a bolt and then what was a 20 minute job just became a three hour
ordeal. So I got a torque wrench a while ago off eBay. And mine is
manual. And what I mean by that is the torque wrench itself looks like
a normal socket wrench. And then the bottom of it, you can twist manually
kind of almost like a threaded, almost like a threaded part on the
bottom. And there's readings etched into the handle. And so really, you
just turn the bottom of the handle, the threaded part until it gets
up to the foot pound reading that you're looking for. In my instance
for one of them on that brake service, it was 30 pounds. And then
for the bigger 17 bolts, 17 millimeter bolts, it was about 60
pounds. So you just twist the the bottom of the handle until it
goes up to the etched part on the on the tool, how far you need
to go up. In this case, it was foot pounds. But you can also
get I've noticed on eBay, there's also some really, really
good prices on some good brands, too. These aren't, you
know, random brands that you've never heard of before. For
digital torque wrenches. And those are super, super cool. I
really want to put in and get my hands on one of those. Because
you can really, really set down the torque measurement really,
really precisely on an LCD display that's built right into
the wrench handle. And it's something that you know, I've
heard is lightweight compact, you know, it's good for use in
tight spaces. But it's super, super precise. So if I want to
just get 30 foot pounds, I can do that. And not have to have
much guesswork when I'm working on these vehicles.
Yeah, that must be really nice. And like you said, you can get
it off eBay motors. Yeah, having precise torque measurements. I
mean, I don't know if I've ever used torque wrench like that,
but I definitely seen them in shops and they must be very,
very nice.
Yeah, and there's some really cool ones, even on eBay, that
are secondhand, and they're almost vintage, you know, I
don't know how specific they will be, but they'd be cool to
have in the collection. I mean, I'm at the age now where
it's like, yes, I'm going to start collecting tools, right? And
the measurements, you know, for these things, it's almost like
it's almost like it's like a needle. Okay, if you can if you
can picture like a speedometer, how the speedometer goes up up
up up up up up up until the speed limit. This is the same
thing. The needle goes up up up up up up up up up up up up
up up up up up up until you get to the torque setting that
you've set your torque wrench. So that type of stuff that
stuff is out there. But the really modern ones of digital
torque wrenches from really good brands, they're out there
for less than 100 bucks, American. And they're totally,
totally worth it. Doesn't need to be if anyone's just getting
into wrenching that's listening to our podcast, doesn't have to
be the first thing you go out and buy. But as you slowly
build your arsenal of tools, it's definitely something that
you find your way into your toolbox. There's a three
eighths drive and half inch drive. So depending on the
type of sockets that you use, make sure you get the
right one. If not, there's plenty of adapters out there
that would help you fit the bill for sure. So just looking on
that type of stuff and don't over tighten things. You can
over tighten things. And you also want to go back and
sometimes you want to retorque like if you are swapping out
your winter wheels. If you're doing that yourself, go back,
you know, 100 miles or you know, a couple of days of
driving and retorque those lug nuts and something like
this, this torque wrench will really allow you to do that
and be safe on the road.
Yeah, don't under torque things either. Always make sure
you have the correct torque. Don't want wheels falling off.
So yeah, there we go with torque wrenches here and the
stuff we use segment on the truth about cars podcast.
Matthew, thank you so much for your time.
Hey, thanks for letting me talk about tools again, man. I
appreciate it.
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Here in this week's Truth about Cars podcast, we are
with Carl Brower, the executive analyst over at IC cars.
It's IC, like, like I site cars.com. So I s e cars.com.
Carl, how are you doing today?
I'm doing great, Tim. Thank you for having me on.
Thanks for coming on. So what we're talking about today
is what you guys over at IC cars basically did as your
longest lasting car brand. So you have got a list or I have
a list in front of me. But you will be a little beyond
by the time this podcast goes live will be on iccars.com.
And basically, we're going to work through these different
brands and kind of see what surprises and what doesn't
Carl, why don't you start with giving us the high level
overview, the 30,000 foot view of this study and how it all
played out?
Yeah, so we've been doing this study for over 10 years,
longest lasting cars and longest lasting brands. And
it's really fascinating because we're able to see, you
know, all these vehicles that are coming to market through
all the listings that I see cars has access to and that
plus some very high, finely tuned and honed data
science and and analysis has given us the ability to
basically see and predict the lifespan of given makes
and models. And for this one, for example, we analyzed
over 174 million cars. And the average odometer reading
for each vehicle is calculated each yearly age. And then
there's this proprietary model we've got to kind of figure
out how fast the cars are aging and when they kind of age
out and stop functioning and basically are at the end of
their life. And so what we've been doing this for over 10
years now, and we just keep refining the thing and we
get a little better, not the results haven't changed
very drastically is refine the system, which only I think
further confirms that we've got the system pretty well down
and all, but we do see a little few shifts here and there at
a minor level. And of course, these aren't heavy duty
things models, we can do we look at those two, but we
don't include them in the overall rankings for cars and
brands because you know, there's basically fleet
vehicles usually and they're driven in a completely
different way than most consumers would drive them.
And so those numbers wouldn't really appeal to most of our
audience. But that was that was essentially what we've done
or what we did again this past year, we do this once a year,
this is one of our biggest studies. And I think we're
really well known for it. If you type longest lasting cars
in Google, you'll you'll see us all over the place. So
that's the process and happy to start jumping into the
individual brands. And this just so you know, your
listeners know, we're going to do the brands now, and
then we're going to release the cars after we do the
brands. So this is kind of a lead into the cars, but we
start out with our brands.
A little bit of a teaser. So yeah, so looking at brands, the
the top three, actually, let's just go with top five. So top
three are Toyota, excuse me, top five, Toyota, Lexus, Honda,
Acura and GMC. Not a ton of surprise there.
No, you know, we've just seen these Toyota models landing
where they land since we started this and whether
you want to talk about things like Land Cruisers or
forerunners, more recently, Sequoias, you know, these are
very long lasting vehicles, they go a long time. And I think
what's more interesting when you look at the brand list that
we've got here and that we're discussing is the
consistency across the brand. In other words, you can
find a long lasting model within a lot of brands. What's
tough is to have a lot of long lasting models or most of
your models lasting a long time. And the brands that you
just mentioned that are at the top of the list here, that's
what they've got going for them. They have a widely
diverse set of long lasting vehicles versus only one or
two out of a huge list of models. And, you know, it's
probably not too surprising when people hear Toyota
Lexus or even Honda and Acura, those are the first four.
You know, you got basically Honda and Toyota and their
premium brands. And so they're all doing well, that's
kind of consistent. It makes sense. GMC as you noted is the
first kind of non-Japanese brand in the list. And what do
they make mostly? Trucks and SUVs, right? There is no GMC
car or sedan. They make trucks or SUVs and guess what tend to
last the longest because they're so popular with so many
uses and people tend to use them more aggressively, trucks
and SUVs. So that's what helps GMC. Number six, right
behind GMC is an interesting one that you didn't mention, but
I think people would find interesting that which is Tesla. So
Tesla is actually, you know, just behind the four Japanese
brands and GMC. And of course, they just started making a truck
that wouldn't be even included in our list yet because the
vehicle needs to be a model needs to be a certain amount of
years old before we'll start measuring lifespan. So even
without the Cybertruck, Tesla is number six, which shows
that they've got a pretty heavy, aggressive use from
owners and they seem to last a long time.
Yeah, I didn't mention Tesla because we just hadn't gotten
into the bottom half of the top 10 yet. That was no
conspiracy, Tesla fans. Don't worry. But yeah, and the
bottom half of that top 10 is, as you said, Tesla followed by
Chevrolet, Cadillac, Mazda and Ram. Anything jump out? Let me
try it again. Anything jump out at you there?
You know, Ram, of course, another truck brand Chevrolet, a
high utility and truck brand as well. Cadillac and Mazda, I
think are impressive. You know, this speaks to two more brands
that I think generally have pretty long lasting vehicles,
you know, more so than I probably knew before we started
doing these studies. But they just, you know, they're not
they're not in the top five, but they're in the top 10.
And that's an impressive ranking to be here. In this list, as
you can see, it's 32, two brands that we've got here. So to be in
the top 10, you're in the top third. Yeah, Cadillac and Mazda
just apparently make, you know, fairly high quality cars that
have a long lifespan relative to the other brands.
So following the top 10 is Lincoln Ford. Now, I try to
make sure that I understand your methodology correctly that
Ford's recalls this year, probably don't affect that
correctly, correct?
So the recalls wouldn't have a direct impact on those because
we're not, we're not including that data in in this long
lasting thing.
Because we're looking at lifespan as opposed to, yeah,
right, we're just looking at lifespan. But I think you
could make an argument that if you've got vehicles with a
lot of recalls, everything from how well built they are, the
quality that they have in them is they roll out the out of
the showroom could maybe not be as highly indicated when you have
a lot of recalls to remember lifespan is both how well the
car's holding up and how how hard the owners want to work to
keep driving it. And what's going to make an owner stop
driving a vehicle to troublesome to keep on the road, right?
You got to do too many things. It's costing you too much
money. That's that's when that's why most people retire
cars obviously have cars that get in accidents and other
things like that. Or maybe they have a fatal, you know,
there's one off that had a fatal engine flaw or transmission
flaw and it was not worth fixing it after that. But
generally speaking, the reason a car retires is that it's worn
out. And what's the definition of worn out? It's too
expensive to keep on the road. There are too many regular
problems with the car and the owner. And this might be the
first owner, if someone keeps a car forever, but it's
probably more likely second, third, fifth owner. And
they're like, this car isn't worth the trouble to keep on
the road anymore. And I think all those recalls from
Ford, if you're if you're going in for a lot of
recall activity on top of other things, that probably
only adds to your desire to not use the car anymore.
Yeah, and then switching gears slightly, I'm a little
surprised to see that Nissan is actually ahead of Subaru
and Volvo. And I'm also surprised to see that Subaru
and Volvo are in the middle of the pack 15th and 16th
out of 32.
Yeah, you know, and that gets into an interesting
thing. I mean, you know, at this point, all of them
are almost tied, right? If you look at this is all
based on their percentage chance, by the way, of
reaching 250,000 miles. So this is a very high bar
for, for, you know, what we're asking if we'd have
made this, you know, chances to get to 100,000
miles or 150,000 miles, the percentages would have
been much higher for every brand. And maybe we
would have seen some reshuffling in the order at
this point with Subaru and Nissan and Volvo were
down to 2.4%, 2.3% and 2.2%. So, you know,
they're almost a statistical tie for those, those
three. And, you know, going up to Ram, that's
3.5% and down to infinity, it's 2.1%. So again,
not even really a huge swing between those, those
brands. But all that said, I think, you know,
Volvo and Subaru are probably brands that you
have a certain amount of enthusiasts who want to
keep going. And, you know, they talk about them
on the forums and maybe they show up in news stories
and stuff like that. But this is looking at, again,
all the models that they sell over a wide span
of time. And apparently, you know, compared to
Tesla and GMC and Honda and Lexus and Toyota,
there's just not as many of those cars lasting
as long.
Makes sense, makes sense. So the other thing
that stuck out, let me try it again. The
other thing that stood out to me was, I'm
just a little bit stumbly today, don't blame
allergies. But what stood out to me was that Kia
and Hyundai were just at 0.6%. And those are
two brands that have a reputation, at least
anecdotally, I don't have, like JV Power
numbers in front of me or data other than the
data we're talking about today. Those are
two brands that anecdotally have a lot of
reputation as improving. You know, Hyundai
and Kia had a lot of problems in terms of
mechanical issues when they were first brought
to the States. And then they've gotten
steadily better over the years. And certainly
the cars have gotten better in terms of
design and new car product and driving
dynamics, features, all that sort of thing.
But obviously there are also companies that
have very long warranties. That's part of
the reason they got some popularity is
they brought some consumers back by
improving their warranties. So that's a
long way of asking, are the numbers you're
seeing in Hyundai Kia skewed by the older
models that weren't quite as good or have
the newer models not quite looked up to the
hype? I think it's both of those things.
I think multiple factors. First of all, as
you said, we're looking at a long time
frame here. And I would certainly make an
argument that a 2020 Hyundai and Kia is of
higher quality than a 2010 and drastically
higher than 2000. But because we look at
such a long time frame, those older
ones are still playing a role. You
know, someone like brand like Toyota, they
had long lasting cars 20 years ago, as you
and I both know. I mean, the Corolla's had
a kind of legendary status for decades.
And there's that I don't think anyone
thinks of Hyundai and Kia necessarily as
having legendary individual models that
have just lasted so crazy long. So I
think that's part of part of the what
plays a role here. Remember, they've
got a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty.
So we know their cars, their confidence,
our cars will last 100,000 miles. And
as I said before, I think if we, you
know, we're looking at cars that could
get to 100 or even 150,000 miles, we'd
have much higher percentages for all of
these brands, including Hyundai and Kia.
But what we're trying to do is really
tease out like the elite longest
lasting cars. That's the, you know, we
used to go by the way to 200,000
miles, but too many cars were getting
too good a scores. So kind of the
good news is we had to up the demands
from 200 to 250 because so many cars
were able to last 200,000 miles. And
again, we're trying to look for the
really elite vehicles that last a
long time. I think it's, here's a just
I here's a completely anecdotal,
non-statistic based thing at all. I
have a 2017 Kia Soul in the family
fleet here. And I bought it in 2019
with like 11,000 miles on it and got
the full warranty and everything for
it. I was very happy. And that car
has already had a new engine put in
because it had some kind of fatal flaw
in the crankshaft and something about
to do with the crankshaft sensor and all
that. And I could hear it by the way,
Tim, like for a year or more, at least
probably two years plus after before
we got it worked, you know, all repaired
in the past year, I was like, this
thing doesn't sound good. You know, I
would start it and the noises it
would make right after you started
it. I was like, this is not good.
But I knew we had the warranties. I
was like, well, we're gonna keep
driving it. And kind of fun. It
was actually having my wife help me
do some car to car shooting with a
motorcycle. And I had her like flooring
it to, you know, help get the shots
we needed and all because she had to
floor it when I was going fairly
moderately on the motorcycle to get
the shots. And that that absolutely
hastened it was like all of a sudden
it was making more noise and
everything. And then we took it
in. And ironically, we took it in
because we knew we had a warranty.
And then there was a recall almost
at the exact same time for the
exact same issue that was killing
the engine. So this is again one
instance with one car and one
person. But I thought that was
fascinating to me. It's like, because
I'm a huge fan of honey and Kia, by
the way, I think those brands are
fabulous brands. I think the design
and the ergonomics and the
performance. I think they make the
best electric cars as a whole. I
think they make the best electric
cars on the market right now.
I'm actually a personal huge fan of
honey and Kia. And I bought the
soul because of that. And I've
been relatively happy, not just
not necessarily with the fact
the engine blew up, but with how
well they treated everything from
having the original warranty that
I had in place to having a
recall that completely acknowledged
the problem and took care of
everything without us costing
us any money. But I think it's
somewhat indicative of, okay, we
still don't have Toyotas here.
You know, when we've got, and
this was a recall, there was a
large number of these, and you
don't usually, Toyota Tundra
issue, a recent issue not
withstanding, generally speaking,
you don't hear about these fatal
flaws and failures of major
drivetrain components with
Toyotas. And I personally had to
deal with one with my Kia.
So yeah, yeah, I understand.
So switching gears again
slightly, looking at the bottom
group of this. With the exception
of Buick in 23rd place, these,
the models at the end at the
bottom here are Porsche,
Chrysler, BMW, Volkswagen, Audi,
Land Rover, Jaguar, Mini and
Maserati. With the exception
of Buick, I think none of
those are surprising.
Unfortunately. Did anything stick
out? We've heard, I've heard
anecdotally for years about
anyone I know who owns the
Chrysler product. Now,
obviously this is Chrysler
the brand, separate from
Fiat North America or Fiat,
what they were before
and other Stalantis. So, you
know, or they were FCA before,
but everyone I know who's had
Rams and obviously Rams higher
up on this list as is Dodge.
Most folks I know who have had
any Stalantis product,
product including Jeep as well,
which is a little bit higher at
19th, have had some issues
with quality and going to the
shop and stuff like that.
But for whatever reason,
broken up by brand, they do a
little bit better. But Chrysler
the brand, just not very good.
And, you know, BMW, Audi, Land Rover,
Land Rover, Jaguar and again,
anecdotally, you hear issues all
the time. Volkswagen are a
little surprised because you
feel like their quality is a
little bit better, but they
still have had some problems
as well. Again, anecdotally,
I hear these all the time.
So does anything surprise you
on the bottom of this list?
Because nothing at the bottom
of this list surprises me at
all.
No, it doesn't really surprise
me at all. And one thing I
would throw in there that
our data shows us, which I
think is interesting, is what
causes the end of life of a car.
And as our data analyst, who's
very, you know, kind of just
bottom line, I liked how he
said it. He said, two things
kill a car, time and mileage.
Meaning either a car wears out
because you drove it so
aggressively, or it's just,
or it's worn out because like
everything's falling apart on
it. The interior is coming
apart and, you know, it's
just not worth keeping going
because it's almost like it's
aged out and not because of
major mechanical failures, but
just because like all the
non-mechanical things are just
too old to want to deal with
anymore. And luxury cars
are more commonly died from
age than miles because,
not surprisingly, luxury buyers
tend to not be as aggressive,
right? If you're kind of a
family of five or six and you
get a suburban and you're
going to soccer practice and
you're going on family
vacations and you're driving
the heck out of that car.
And that's what helps those
cars achieve high mileage
mechanically before they age
out like cosmetically and,
you know, wear on the inside
of the cars and stuff like
that. So that's why
mainstream brands tend to age
out mechanically.
Luxury brands are the opposite.
You tend to have older people.
You tend to have people who
aren't necessarily doing
utilitarian things. They're
just driving it around
casually, you know,
locally and stuff. Maybe
maybe run in some general
errands, but they're not
necessarily taking family
vacations and stuff in
these premium brands.
So they end up aging
out by age as opposed to
mechanical and they just never
get to the 250,000 miles
because they just wore out.
They wore out cosmetically
and functionally before they
got worn out by having,
you know, like an engine that
just failed because it had
too many miles on it.
So that's why you see these
luxury brands so far down
on reaching 250,000 miles.
People don't drive them
aggressively enough to get
to 250 before the cars
otherwise too old to bother
wanting to keep running.
Yeah, that makes sense.
And I think to just our
listeners who are maybe a
little confused on the
concept of age versus time,
you put it nicely,
you know, you obviously
things will wear out
as you drive them.
But for time,
I think people forget
sometimes that time wears
out rubber items.
You know, we all know that
if you leave your car too
long, the tires are going
to wear right then and there.
Depending on where you live,
the sun is going to beat
down on your interior
and cause fading and
cracking and paint will
also fade and crack.
Obviously, garaging a car
will help. Obviously,
keeping it out of rain and
snow in the desert sun
will help with these things.
If you plan on keeping
a car a long time
and you don't put a ton of
miles on it,
you want to make sure that
it won't get worn out
if we've won its part,
there are ways to do it.
But I think people always
think of,
I think people think of
cars wearing up on mileage
first without really
also factoring in time.
So that's a really,
that's a really good way
to kind of look at it.
And I think you're probably
right when it comes
luxury cars,
luxury buyers probably don't
put as many miles on them,
especially if you have a,
like you said, an older
older buyers who just
don't drive as much.
So time definitely plays
a factor here that I think
probably gets forgotten
a little bit,
probably gets forgotten
about a little bit.
Well, and here's another
thing too that I probably
should already mention,
but this is undeniably
true.
What, what do you,
what does it take to
keep a car going?
Well, some level of
maintenance,
even regular maintenance
and probably the occasional
as they get older
repair,
hopefully not a major
repair,
but maybe it's certainly
minor repairs.
Well, what's going to cost
the most to keep going
as it ages?
Luxury cars, right?
So again,
it's not just everything
we already talked about,
like how it wears out
because the interior
starts to come apart
or the paint starts to go
and all,
but also
if you're at 110,000 miles
and you've got to go get
a front end work done
on your Toyota Corolla,
that's going to cost you
a lot less than front
end work done on your
BMW,
you know,
five series,
you know,
or even three series
and stuff like that,
you know,
you're going to pay more.
So it's going to be,
I mean,
and you're going to look at,
you're going to go to the dealer
and they're going to say,
it's going to cost you
X amount to get all the,
the ball joints
replaced on this BMW.
And you're like,
this car's already got
120,000 miles.
I'm not sure how much longer
I'm going to drive it.
I'm not going to put
that kind of money in.
The Corolla buyer,
they're going to get
a lower estimate
and they probably have
more confidence
that the drivetrain
is going to go for much
longer,
even if though
they got to spend some money
on suspension things,
but it's not as much money
as they'd have to spend
on the same suspension work
on the BMW
or the Land Rover.
So they say,
yeah,
put the money in,
I'm going to keep the car going.
Another reason
luxury cars tend to
retire earlier
than mainstream models.
Is there anything else
that kind of surprised
or shocked you
as you work
through the data
and put this all together?
I mean,
I'm still surprised
I had to ask the data guys
just like,
help me understand
how the average
is 4.8%.
That's the average
for a brand or a car
to get to 250,000 miles
across everything.
So we take all vehicles,
all models,
all makes into account,
not heavy duties,
but everything else.
The average
car's chance
of getting to 4.8%,
getting to 250,000 miles
is 4.8%.
That's so low.
And yet,
28 of the 32 brands
you might have noticed
are below average
on our list,
Tim.
And I was like,
well, what's going on there?
And they had a good analysis.
They said,
well, picture like
a really big kid
sitting on one side
of a seesaw.
You're going to have to take
a bunch of kids
to get on the other side
to balance it out.
That's what's going on here
is that Honda,
Toyota,
Lexus and Acura
are doing so well
at making long-lasting cars.
They're yanking.
It's like the bell curve
in a class,
in a college class.
And all we all remember
the smarty pants
that made us all
get worse grades.
That's what's going on here
is you just have
such good performance
out of those four brands
that are above average
to Honda,
Toyota
and their premium
divisions
that they're pulling the average up
and higher
than most of the other car
companies can achieve.
And that's why 28 out
of 32 brands
are below average.
Do you see the average
going up over time
either because of
improved quality
by the OEMs
that maybe
haven't quite got there
or because
some of the old lights
we're talking like
Honda IKEA,
some of the older models
are going to drop off.
And then on top of that
just,
you know,
in general
quality is improving
across the board,
it seems like.
So do you see the average
going up at all
or do you think it
will kind of say the same
or go down even?
Average is absolutely going up.
We're getting
it's funny
because I think the numbers
were
a little bit higher.
The rankings weren't that different
but the numbers
were a little bit higher
before our most recent kind of
data science refinement
where we just got that much better
and
I had a better
microscope
and kind of lens
on how to look at the data
and how to
properly record it.
And that actually pulled
this to averages down.
If you go back past years
you'll see the numbers were higher
for getting to 250
but I think they were maybe
not quite as dialed in
as they are now
and that pulled the average down.
But I think
we've really got the methodology
locked in now
and I don't think it's going to
change much.
So without changing the methodology
the short answer
your question
your after this belong
the labor
a long answer Tim is
quality is definitely going up on cars.
Cars are lasting longer
over time
over the time
as years pass
and newer cars come out
engineering
tolerances for the engines
you know
machine
machining
and finishing
and assembly product
processes
everything's getting better
and they're always
making the cars
higher quality
and last longer
as a general rule.
Yeah excellent
that's absolutely true.
So is there anything else
Carol you'd like to add
on this survey
before we let you go?
Just that
you know
this has been really fun
to to
watch this
kind of data
over the past
10 years
working you know
working with IC cars
and seeing how this has evolved
and I really feel like
it's a good way to
shop for a vehicle.
I think
if you're
someone who switches cars
every three years
you know
you're leasing the car
or even you buy cars
and you never keep them
more than five years
and they never see
more than
you know
you never drive a car
with more than 100,000 miles
this probably doesn't matter
that much to you
although I think it would
still probably have some
indication on the
likelihood of issues
you're going to have
even below 100,000 miles
and we talked about
the recall issues
and Ford and some of those things
but
if you're a shopper
who wants to do the
what's always the smartest
thing to do
financially with cars
newer used
is to buy a car
drive it to the wheels
fall off
and rinse and repeat
and that's essentially
what this study is
is when to the
when to the
you know
there's the metaphor
is when to the wheels
fall off
when does the cars
lifespan in
and if you want to get the
most bang for your
but all are
you know
most value out of your
car buying dollar
that means you drive
the car as long as possible
is a great list
for looking at
both makes
in this study
and soon the models
when we release it
that are going to last
you the longest
even if you buy
they also think
the other thing too
is think about a model
that has a high percentage
chance of getting to
250,000 miles
you find a car
on the used car market
with 118,000 miles
reply this thing's
already used up
come look at our list
you're like
actually this car
has got a very high
percentage chance
of getting to 250,000 miles
is not even halfway
through its lifespan
but yet you can probably
pick it up for a very
low cost
you'd want to do PPI
make sure there's
nothing else
you know nothing major
about to go wrong
with the car
but otherwise
it's a great way to get
used cars
that still have life left
that most of the market
might have written off
by now
all right Carl
well thank you so much
for your time
again we've been with
Carl Brower
the executive analyst
over at IC cars
that is IC
as envisioned
so ISEEcars.com
we've been talking
about the longest
lasting brands
and Carl
we'll have you back on
in a few weeks
to discuss
the longest lasting models
once you have
release that to the public
so once again Carl
thank you so much
for your time
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we are always talking
NASCAR just about
each and every week
and we are deep
in the playoffs right now
in fact we are
one race away
from another elimination
and we have
Matthew Guy with us
as always
to talk about it
Matthew how you doing today
hi Tim
looking forward to talking
about Kansas
that was a great race
yeah yeah
so a wild finish
chase Elliott
kind of bouncing
and banging off
Denny Hamlin
to get the win
and in the second
overtime
so do you want to walk us
through
is that what happened there
absolutely
because it was such a
surprise win
within you know
a couple of laps
he went from
if you watch the
in car camera
he went from 8th or 9th
all the way up to the win
and there was
the inspection is complete
I'm just looking at
jayceki.com here now
and I wanted to see
if there was any problems
with inspection
there wasn't
there was no issues
for the number nine
so he's
he's officially the winner
he's locked into the round
of eight
and
for anyone who didn't
see the race
heading into
couple of the last turns
you had
number 11 Joe Gibbs
racing Toyota
which was Denny Hamlin
and the number
23 Toyota
Bobo Wallace
and that is such a unique situation
because
the driver of the 11
co-owns the 23
the W3 Toyota
of 2311 racing
so that's a very unique
and I mean we saw that
you know
eons ago
back when Dale Earnhardt
senior was alive
right
I mean he would
he would be driving
for Richard Childress
but he would have the
the one and the eight
and later on the 15
out there
as his cars
and we saw
and Denny Hamlin has always said this
that on Sunday
he's the driver
right
I mean it doesn't matter
if he's racing one of his own cars
he's going to race those cars
as hard as any other vehicle
that's out there on the track
and you know
that's fine
that's why every single
NASCAR
cup series
drivers out there to win
that day right
so right of course
yeah right
I mean at least
Denny puts it all out on the table
and say you know
Bobo I'm going to race you as hard
as anybody else
so yeah
so going into the
going into a couple of the last laps
the 11 race to 23
really hard for the win
both of them slid up the track
and chase Elliott
you know
then after making his way up
from 8th or 9th
they slowed down enough
to allow chase Elliott
to dart past
both
and score the win
and that was second over time
was it you were saying
I lost track after a while
I believe it was second
yeah
yeah
yeah
you can correct me if I'm wrong
and our listeners can yell at me
if I'm wrong
but I believe it was second
no man
I don't need to fact check bro
I believe you
and I mean
I appreciate that
yeah man
and Hamlin said afterwards
right I mean
you know
if if anyone
he said quote
if anyone's wanting an apology
you can just turn TV off
right now
right I mean
he said that afterwards
in in in his
I didn't catch that
that sounds like
Denny Hamlin
thing to do
yeah
and I
I empathize with him
after being on track
you know myself
is just definitely
not going to apologize
racing for the win
and his car
was tight all day
he said he had a
power steering problem
people can
believe that or not
because he certainly
didn't seem to have
any trouble steering
back down across the track
to try to prevent the nine
from winning
and I don't
you know
I don't
disagree with his
conduct in
in that regard either
right
so yeah
and you know
his quote
and you know
both guys are going
for the win
right and I mean
his responsibilities
as a team owner
he says
and has said this
many times
have come from Monday
through Saturday
right
it's not up to him
right to get the 2311
into the brand of eight
not his responsibility
right his response
and this was again
on his show
he said
my responsibility
is to get the 11th
into the brand of eight
end quote
and he said
Joe meaning coach
gives
pays him a lot of money
to make sure that car
wins the championship
or has a shot
to do
said to do that
right
and exactly
and he's right
you know
I mean there's a difference in
if he knows
that he doesn't have a car
good enough to win
and he's running blocker
for the 23
if he
if he knows
that he cannot beat the 23
and there's other cars
roaring up behind
on the last laugh
and he can play spoiler
and block
those other cars
to let the 23
go on and win
that's one conversation
and that would be fine
but can you imagine
the outrage
if he didn't have
to get back off
and let the 23 win
right
right
that would you know
you just you just can't do that
that's not something
these racers are not wired
to do that
so exactly
yeah
and I think you and I
are both on record
as not being
I don't know about you
I wouldn't call myself a
Denny Hamlin
Denny Hamlin fan
but I'm not exactly
a hater either
I no respect
I don't have
I don't have a really
a problem with
and again
I actually sometimes wonder
why people do get so
upset at him
because he does troll
a little bit
and some of his
post race interviews
you know
your favorite driver
is lost today
that quote from a month
or two ago
and whatever
but he
what he does is mostly harmless
I don't
and I've never really seen him do
any more than anybody else
anyway
because I think
all the drivers occasionally
step over the line
I don't think he's really
going over the line
in terms of being
too aggressive of a driver
or making dirty
playing dirty pool
making dirty moves
the only real driver
the only driver
I really see ever do that
is Kurt Busch
and even even he I think is
calmed down in his
old age
and he's also had such a bad year
that he hasn't really
had a chance to even do
some of that stuff
because he's usually
off into the back of the pack
but
you know outside
I first of all I think every driver
even the cleanest
nicest guys
do occasionally cross lines
because I think
they're just human
and that's just what happens
but
I don't really
I really haven't seen
Hamlin do it
more than anybody else
to the point
I haven't seen him do
a lot of unsafe
or really dirty stuff
I mean
actually when I take it back
my stuff was Bush
was the only driver
I forgot
I got
parts to House of R
I forgot House of R
so House of R
and Bush
the two guys
that I really keep an eye on
probably House of R
more of these days
just because he's
he's younger
he's right in the front of the pack
and he hasn't really
pulled back
from some of the
overly aggressive stuff
the way that Bush may have
but yeah
and again
maybe I'm missing stuff
when I watch the race
maybe there's things
I'm not seeing
or things are happening
off camera
you know
if Hamlin's not
in the
not where the camera shot is
but I really haven't seen
and next time
next week
if Charlotte
I'll watch a little more closely
but I haven't really seen
Hamlin make
too many moves
or I'm like
oh my gosh
this guy is just dirty
he's not
I don't know if you
feel the same way but
well I mean
he's not cleaning out cars
to get the wind
right
he's
yeah
not recently
you know what I mean
like in terms of
we can think
of a couple of examples
of that happening
people just driving
through other cars
in order to get the wind
and that
was not what happened
that Kansas
I don't feel in any ways
right I mean
he just
raced the 23
super super hard
he didn't make excuses
for the 23 either
in terms of
where they sit
because they're below the cut
line for advancing
to the next round
of the championship
and they talked
about you know
he criticized
how the 23 team ran
at New Hampshire
and he was right to do so
you know
they didn't have a great day
in New Hampshire
so
I mean a couple of
and
Bubba Wallace again
as well said
you know
a little while ago
I probably would say
something dumb
about this
right
but you know
that's you know
it's a
going for the win
both of them say
that they
disliked
that they gave it to
a Chevy driver
instead of a Toyota
right because
there were
I think it was
like the top four
were
Toyotas
going into the last lap
and then a Chevy
end up winning the race
but yeah
I'm not quite sure
but yeah
I'm fine with that
and he
I mean
they leave Kansas
the 23 leaves
the Kansas
10th
in the standings
and it's a
it's a handful of points
below
it's like 26 points
below
so it's certainly
easy enough for them
not to advance
to the next round
either of the 2311 cars
so
yeah
and it's going to be
interesting
going through Kansas
I'm looking at the standings
here
putting aside
manufacturer
for a moment
I'm just looking
at the standings
here in general
and we have two drivers
locked in
Blaney and Elliott
so
we've done this
every week
since the playoffs
started
I finally figured out
the best way
to really
frame the playoffs
in anyone's mind
so 16 drivers
correct me for
on the 16 drivers
that the first round
right not 12
correct
yep 16
16 drivers
at the first round
so
for those first two rounds
if you had
one different winner
every race
you'd still have people
get locked out
right
because there's four races
around
so eight races
so that
that makes more sense
the more I think about it
so
anyway
I'm just trying to
do the math
my head here but
so we have
Larson Hamlin
Bell
Byron Brisco
and Logano
Logano's
probably got to make it
13 up with one race
to go is a little iffy
if he crashes out earlier
or something like that
he could be
cut
especially
if Chastain
has a good day
obviously
Chastain
Bubba Wallace
Tyler Reddick
and Austin Cinderick
most of them
are not moving out
a lot of win
Chastain's probably the only
I don't really
up top my head
on my points
you can get
for a strong performance
at the Roval
without a win
so
Chastain I think
being only 13
behind the cut line
could
have a good day
and move on
without winning
Wallace
would be iffy
and Reddick
would be iffy
and I think Cinderick
unless he wins is out
so
at 40
able to cut line
I don't think
he's going to have enough
points in one race
to move on
but I really am curious
it's our last
real course of the year
so really
and we don't have
in the mix anymore
although he'll still be
driving I would assume
but we don't have
Van Gisbergen
anymore
you know it's
it's going to be interesting
to see
first of all how
a good race from
Van Gisbergen
could affect the playoff
picture
what if
what if Shane wins it
you know
you know
yeah
what if he runs up front
but then you have
the two other drivers
that are good road trip
drivers
or road course
not road trip
road course drivers
the two guys
that I always think of
especially before
Shane came on the scene
a year or two ago
Chase Elliott
and Kyle Lars
now again
Chase just won
he doesn't need to win again
he's locked in
but Larsen
has done really well
and of course
he's also
in third
so he's
so I'm really kind of
curious
how this thing shakes out
will Elliott win again
even though he doesn't need to
will Larsen get a win
and lock himself in
will Larsen just have
a good day
and be that
be enough to move on
I mean
he's likely to move on
as it is
so I'm really kind of
he doesn't have to win
so I'm very curious
how it's going to go
same because
if SVG
and he had a
really good day
I mean he had a top 10
day at Kansas
so I mean the man
has a bit of momentum
going into the Roval
and then
because he has dominated
the road course tracks
so far this year
I think any
conversation about winners
you're exactly right
at the Charlotte Roval
coming up this week
has to include
the 88 team
even though they are not
competing for a championship
right now
and we've talked about it
a million times
but how non-playoff
drivers can really affect
the playoffs
and who gets in
and who is out
for the next round
in the NASCAR playoffs
because if SVG wins
then that's a whole
lot of points
going to someone
who is not able to use them
in the playoffs scenario
exactly
yeah
yeah so it's
it's just the whole
and I'm very interested
in during the off season
I think we're going to have
a lot to talk about
a lot of content
to talk about
because there's
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
on his podcast
is getting increasingly
vocal
about changing the
the point structure
we've had
you know
people like us
talking about it
for ages
and then
a lot of people
just
you know colloquially
in in terms of talking
to friends
and talking to other people
who watch it
they've been clamoring
for change as well
so I do think
I don't think
playoffs are going to go away
I'm not sure
NASCAR is ready
to walk away from that
but I think there will be
a change
coming up
for the 2026 year
that's my guess
and something
I think if there is a non-playoff
driver
winning
and scooping up all the points
this weekend
that might be another
nail in the coffin
for the current format
of the playoffs at least
yeah so I
I know that I've
probably been
I don't want to say pro-playoffs
but
less empty playoffs
than you have been
I'm okay at the playoff format
although I wouldn't mind
maybe some tweaks
to make it a little more fair
I do remember growing up with the old
you know just the most points
in the season
when it's a championship
and it's really straight forward
and simple
and you don't even have to win
that many races
to get a championship
but
the playoff format
I know it's a little confusing
but it really doesn't have to be
I think we make it more confusing
than it is
or at least I do
not being able to do
basic math
but you know it really is
just three rounds of
four drivers
and then
one round of four
but it is interesting
how in this sport
you know a driver
is not part of the playoffs
can affect the playoff
so
I'm curious as to any tweaks
but right now
I'm just really looking forward to
the roval
and
really looking forward to seeing how
someone like Shane van
Gisburg
and who is so dominant
on these road courses
will affect the rest of the playoff field
I agree
and I think
and
just with some of the other cars
that are
there
you know
because you think
I mean
Pupo Wallace
while he's
how many points
out did you say
was he was
48 I think
let me double check that
26
well he's 26
I'm thinking
26
so he's 48 yeah
oh he could race his way in
even if he does
yeah he did have a
really good day
and have to have some help
but yes
I have to have some help
with some other people
having bad days
but
I mean let's not
forget
I mean he won the Brickyard 400
which is a
hard hard thing to do
and he
in some measures
in by raw numbers
he might not have
been having
the best year
I think he doesn't have as many
I think he's got more DNFs
he's not had a great year now
right
but you know by
by some measures
he's been
he's been
really really fast
and just
as a driver
in terms of
if it like
his mentality
and
Charles as well
over there
like I mean
something has changed
you know
and making the 23 car
something that
most drivers
are going to have to
contend with
every single week
so
I think that
you know
I do think
right
I do think that
that
the 2311
structure
the 2311
house itself
you know what I mean
both of those teams
are certainly very very strong
and I would be very surprised
if both of them
don't make the next round
of playoffs
right now
they're both below the cut line
but I'd be
I'd be
very surprised if someone
if
I'd be very surprised
if both of those cars
don't make the next round
and if they
fail to make the next round
because a non-playoff
driver scoops up
a bunch of points
I think that'll be another vote
for
making some changes
in the off season
yeah yeah
changes in the off season so
it gives us something to talk about
you know and
Chase showing up
just blowing in from out of
pretty much out of nowhere
almost outside the top 10
to winning the race
within a couple of laps
and that's a good thing
for the sport too
because he's a very popular driver
and seeing him run
near the front
that's good for the sport
there's always going to be haters
out there saying
oh yeah
you know
he's new golden boy
whatever he's a new
Dale Earnhardt Jr
because his dad also ran
you know what I mean
right the car
back in the day
but I think seeing the number nine
run up front is a great thing
and seeing him right now
so I mean technically given
how the points do shake out
he's you know
leading the standings
and I think that's a good thing
for the sport
you see other cars
you talk about Kyle Larson
and probably gonna have a good day
I agree with you
I think he's gonna have a really
good day
because he's a wheel man
and he can drive anything
I'll compare him to
you talk about
another series
F1 Max Verstappen
who was very dominant over there
not quite so much this year
but he raced
they had an off week
and he raced a completely different
type of car
on a completely different type of course
and dominated
and won
and Kyle Larson can do the same thing
I think you're right
in speculating that
he's gonna have a good weekend
whether he wins or not
but I think he's gonna have a good
weekend
coming up at the Roval as well
yeah
and I think we'll go ahead
and end this segment on this note
I'm also watching
Logano
and
I hit it in front of me
there we go
Chase Briscoe
good call
because
if you look at
I didn't notice this until I really
kind of reread the standings
the top six guys
are all plus 40 or more
and again
Ellie and Blaney have won
so they're walking to round two
or round three I should say
so
Briscoe and Logano
are the ones without a lot of room
for air
being only plus 13 for Logano
and only 21
above the cut line for Briscoe
so
you know
Byron, Bell
even Hamlin
they even Larson
they have bad days
they're probably fine
Logano
Rex early
doesn't finish well
Briscoe, Rex really doesn't finish well
that could
and again
I don't have the exact point structure
for the Roval race in front of me
but
if those guys don't do well
they don't finish in the top
10 or 15
they might not be moving on
so I think they're gonna have to
really kind of
mine their Ps and Qs
and just kind of have a strong day
and a very smart day as well
you're right
yeah
and with that Matthew
unless you have anything else
you want to add preview in Kansas this week
I think you should go ahead and wrap it up
nope nothing else to add
just looking forward to the Roval
me too
our final quote on quote road course
of the season
not a true road course really
in my opinion more of a
place where you can turn right
on flat grass
but it's still
it still is turning right
which I do like to see NASCAR
cup cars do more often than that
I'm an advocate of having
I still think ovals are the bread and butter
and don't ever want to go away from that
but I am an advocate of having
between six and eight
road course races a year
so maybe even 10 out of the 30s
out of the 36 they do
so anyway with that
we will go ahead and wrap this week's
NASCAR segment here in Truth About Cars podcast
thank you Matthew
thank you
that's all for this week's Truth About Cars podcast
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About this episode
Exploring the longest-lasting car brands, Tim Healy is joined by Karl Brauer from ICcars.com to discuss the latest study revealing the top brands based on longevity. Toyota, Lexus, Honda, Acura, and GMC dominate the list, while Tesla surprises with a strong showing. The episode also features Matthew Guy discussing torque wrenches and their importance for DIY car maintenance. Additionally, the podcast dives into the NASCAR playoffs, highlighting Chase Elliott's unexpected victory at Kansas and the implications for the upcoming Roval race, including strategies for playoff drivers.
Original notes
This week on the TTAC podcast we discuss the longest-lasting car brands with Karl Brauer from iSeeCars.com.
Will the list surprise you? Listen in and find out.
Matthew Guy and I discuss NASCAR at Kansas and socket wrenches for Stuff We Use.
We thank Karl and Matthew for their time and Matt Posky for editing. Most of all, we thank you for listening. We'll see you next time!
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