This Is a STREET-LEGAL Formula Car (Yes, Really) — RYN Motors Founder EXPLAINS Everything

So this is a special edition of full throttle talk.

This is full throttle talk interviews and I'm going to tell you about an experience I had

about a month ago, maybe less than a month ago that I thought at first was fake AI.

So I'm on Instagram like all of you are and I'm scrolling and I come across this guy who's

claiming he can sell a formula three car for the road and I'm like, I like racing.

I used to work in any car team.

I do go kart racing all the rest.

I thought, oh my gosh, this is like a dream, but this has to be some kind of scam, right?

Can't be real.

And I started doing some investigation.

I started doing some exploring and I found out not only is it real, but these things

are going to be street legal.

And so here's what I want all of you to open your minds to and I know a vast majority of

our audience are sports car people by nature, but everyone talks about a race car for the

road.

Everyone talks about, oh, I'm going to make my car feel like a race car for the road,

but many of you have never been in race cars before.

And so you wouldn't, as you put fancy suspension on your 911 or fancy suspension on your Miata,

thinking it's me a race car for the road.

You should have just gone straight to race car for the road.

And that is what Caleb Borkstrom has done with RYN or I call it Ryan Motors.

He's actually created what I think personally is one of the coolest new automotive offerings

and probably the last, I'm going to say 10 years.

What he has done is he has created for me, for a super nerd like me, he has created my

dream car for not a ridiculous price that is very attainable and I'm massively excited

to have him on the podcast today.

So Caleb, thank you very much for carving out time to meet with me.

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Buckle up, hit the gas and let's go full throttle into today's episode.

Well, I really appreciate that.

I mean, that intro was better than anything I could have possibly helped for.

So we're off to a great start.

Oh, that's good.

All right.

So let's start out with having them get to know you a little bit, a little bit about your.

So what we're going to do, guys, and I'm going to get to the punch line really fast.

Don't worry.

I am very familiar with, don't Boris, don't Boris get to the chorus, right?

We're going to get to the chorus.

We're going to be showing you pictures of the car.

We're going to be showing you how to order it.

We're going to be telling you about the specs.

We're going to be telling you about the pricing.

But I would want you to understand that when you're dealing with Caleb, I've only

known him for a very short while and I'm very impressed with his background knowledge.

But what I'm most impressed with is his interest in his willingness to learn about

this space in an incredibly high level.

So Caleb, I've even teed you up even higher with that.

So let's know about your origin story, your motivation and your obsession.

Yeah, I appreciate that.

I mean, I mean, I guess it really all starts like most people do or like cars

becomes kind of like a hobby and then it becomes almost more than that.

And so that becomes kind of like a lot of the things you do, things you pay

attention to, what you do in your free time.

It kind of all revolves around that in one way or another.

And so that's kind of it.

A separate from anything business wise, that's always been kind of like a big

interest. And then I had a separate company where we sold game computers and

we shipped them nationwide, grew that company pretty asserted that company

when I was, I think, what was that, 20, grew that really well.

After, I think in then four years, we ended up selling it for a pretty good

amount. We grew really quick, really strong within the space where there's a

lot of big competitors and through a lot of a ton of marketing strategies and

offering just a really good product in service that other people weren't.

We were able to build a product, deliver and keep customers happy and grow really

fast. And then I sold that company to a publicly traded company and very

end of what was it, 2021, very end of 2021, I sold that company and then that

kind of, and that was, I was 24 years old and then, then I worked within kind of

like a publicly traded company as like a VP for a while at 24.

So it kind of gave me a unique aspect of kind of having the experience of like

really hardcore startup mode.

I mean, we self-funded everything so we didn't take on any investors.

So we were able to kind of grow organically by delivering actual products.

And then from there, we were able to, once we, once we, once I kind of went

then within that public space, I was able to kind of experience, okay, some of

that corporate lifestyle. So having kind of the mix of both of those is what's

helped me a lot, I think, as I'm taking on this next project.

But what I heard you say, what's matters most to me as a potential customer of

yours, is that you have experienced dealing with suppliers in different parts

of the world. You have experienced dealing with very, very specific customers

because people buying high-end gaming computers are super nerds like what

you're going to be dealing with in automotive, right?

Same type of...

Different types, but yes, totally correct, yeah.

I have a race simulator, so I'm probably buying both of your products really.

There you go, yeah, exactly.

You know, so that you have experienced dealing with finicky customers, you

have experienced dealing with global markets, how to put all these things

together and scale up a business. So for me, that knowing that makes me feel

a lot, feel good about being one of your first customers.

Yeah, Pritchin, that's why I think it's important to talk about because I

really, my big focus is like, okay, and a lot of what I think I'm trying to

kind of present with this is like, my whole thing is like I deliver products.

Like there is nothing, a company is nothing, until you deliver products.

So that's like my big focus, like it's less about like, oh, here's some ideas,

here's this concept, here's this. It's about like, okay, how do we actually

get products and customers' hands as fast as we can and in a really effective

way where like they actually enjoy that product?

And so it's not, there's a lot of like different, I think, companies out there

that'll kind of try to live off the hype. And it's, that's not the case at all.

And that's kind of some of the experience I have is like creating real products.

Well, let's be, you are being nice and, you know, gingerly about saying you're,

you know, you sold this business for low eight figures and you had a nice

sizable exit in your 20s. And frankly, you could have just ridden that horse

off into the horizon and with a few, you know, strategic investments never

had to work again. And but you didn't, you are a crazed lunatic and you decided

to make a race car for the road. So could you explain to everyone what caused

you to do that with some sort of like night fever or something?

Yeah, I know. I think, I think like, I mean, I don't know about you.

I've heard about it and thought about it for so long about kind of having a

like a formula car for the street. It's just kind of like something that's

been talked about. It's been a dream that a lot of people have had.

And so I think as it started to become where I started getting other cars

that I really liked, whether it was Porsches or McLaren or things like that.

I love, I love the cars. It's like, OK, there's some cars create an experience.

Like that's why we'll buy cars once you get to kind of like any, any level

of kind of car enthusiasts, like you buy cars to the experience it creates.

And so a formula car for the street is one thing that on at least

on a reasonable scale is an experience that's easily attainable for most people.

So that's like an area where I think the market is missing, where car enthusiasts

are missing, that they could like that, that feeling of driving the car,

the seating position, the overall perspective, like the way it sounds.

It's such an incredible thing.

And so I think that's one of the things that made it so exciting to try to do.

And I had the idea first when we were as it was getting kind of maybe towards

the end of 2023, when I was still working for the company that had acquired us.

I was kind of just thinking about, OK, what do I what do I want to do now?

I'm getting and getting and getting older, getting into my mid to late 20s.

I've got to think about what the next thing I really want to do.

What's something that I can do that's going to be, I think, really impactful

and going to be something that just excite is exciting every day to work on.

You can get a really good team around you and just have a ton of fun

building something really cool.

And so that was that was the kind of idea.

And then it started with that and trying to figure out, OK, well, here's this cool concept.

I'd love to have a formula car for the street, but no one's ever done it.

And so why?

Like, it's a great idea.

But if it's not possible, then it's just an idea.

So that's why I kind of started really doing a lot of kind of deep research

of having a lot of conversations and trying to figure out, OK,

what how can we overcome the regulatory hurdle?

Because I mean, it's an engineering challenge.

But you're moving regulatory one, you're moving things on perfectly.

Because my next question was, you know, let's let's do talk fundamentals,

because we're going to have especially full throttle talk folks are super nerds.

Like, frankly, both of us are.

So they're going to want it.

They're going to know about chassis materials, structure, what you prioritize

first, because you literally built, you know what, right?

Or Caleb, I still want to call you Ryan in the funny.

Shall we put up some pictures?

Shall we go ahead and give them the big reveal?

Yeah, yeah, I was going to say, let me let me let me change

his background and figure out how to figure out all the ways to do it easily.

Here we go. So so yeah, so I mean, we kind of started with a prototype.

And this prototype is I'll show this up here.

So this prototype ends up being more his.

That's the production model he's showing you.

So I don't know if you want to see mine or how you want to how you want to start

out with yours, I'll just leave my background.

Cool. Yeah, I don't think I don't know how well they could see it.

But yeah, so this is this is kind of the the the initial prototype we did.

It was a mix of a lot of custom fabricated parts.

And then also a lot of kind of parts that are currently existing

because the goal with the prototype was to kind of create it, actually kind

of build something up with materials, have a physical formula car or self

that we could start to use testing and where we'll get to eventually

the three wheel conversion that we have to do start to be able to incorporate that.

So this uses this prototype uses a mix of again, custom parts as well as

as well as like a lot of parts from like F4 cars at F 1000s.

That's a really common thing, like the body panels are from like an F 1000s

because we're not going to create.

There's no reason to reinvent parts that have already been invented for the prototype.

This is a lot of just give really good data and start to practice and really build something.

Dimensionally, it's the same size as an F3 car, right?

The prototypes are more similar to an F4 car dimensionally.

The production model similar to an F3 car.

That's what you have pulled up behind you is our production model.

So that what you have pulled up behind you there is one of the is the the render

and for our production model, which is actually we have the design pattern on that.

So we completely custom designed that like here's the here's the kind of front shot

we have here of the car and you can see the headlights incorporated there.

There's turn signals underneath them.

And so then we've got kind of side shot of the car and then and then rear and rear.

Road legal, people.

Are you listening?

Yeah, I was about to tell you how you're going to be able to plate this in all 50 states.

Yes, all 50 states.

And so that's and and it's definitely wasn't easy from regulatory standpoint,

but that's kind of where that comes into some of the ways to make it possible.

So you get the turn signal back and we've kind of patented the rear wing and the arrow on it.

And so yeah, so this is the one like again, the prototype we use a lot of kind of components

that existed with a lot of custom fabrication.

We welded the entire chassis up.

This one is then all our own everything.

And this is the one that we're actually going to be selling and starting to manufacture here

actually really soon.

Can you put up some of the others that are I didn't have time to load the ones with

the that are different colors and whatnot.

So yeah, he has a website.

It might be live now as you listen.

Just go to Ryan RYN motors.com and hope maybe he's going to show it to us.

Maybe we're going to get the world preview of his website.

I asked him to, but he might not any event.

So you're going to be able to go there and you're going to be able to spec out your own car.

He's got a lot of really cool options.

You can go ahead and flip pictures if you want to put a new more attention.

So image up a lot of different colors that are going to kind of be offered.

And we've got I've got a few here that are that are that are listed.

And I think diving into how we made it Street Legals is an important factor,

but there's going to be a range of kind of some different, different colors

that we'll have or you can choose.

And there's a full custom tab that's available when the website goes live

and the website goes live on January 10th.

And so we've kind of been intentionally holding out a little bit

on information and pictures to kind of just make it more exciting for when that does go live.

So in other words, he's not going to give us the website.

He's not going to show us any pictures.

That's why I just think I think I think going and experiencing the websites

is going to be the way to kind of really get the full picture of it.

I think seeing the screenshot will make it less exciting.

Thanks for taking it there.

Can I make sure I'll make sure you get first access to it?

I'll send you the second it goes live at twelve oh one at night.

You'll be the first one to get there.

I'll be there waiting.

But let me ask you specific questions.

OK, I know you and I talked yesterday.

This is a carbon fiber and a tube chassis.

Get into the get into the high nerd stuff just so that people listening

looking for fault in your design will realize how specific you've been to design this

to essentially mirror a real F three car.

Yeah. And so so really what we've tried to do is just because if you've ever been

in like a real Formula three car or something similar to that

Formula Atlantic, it's it's aggressive.

It's like hard to get in and out.

It's tight and like that's that's OK.

And you kind of want to blend then the position of OK, something

that's really track oriented while where you can still kind of take it on the streets.

And it's and it's enjoyable to kind of get in and out of and drive.

And so what we did to the chassis will kind of back and forth.

OK, do you do steel tube, which is really cost effective, a space frame steel tube

chassis, do you do a full carbon monocoque?

And what we ended up coming up with have to kind of talk

with some different manufacturers and kind of running some overall numbers

is we're going to create a production model is going to have a carbon fiber

semi monocoque. So what is it's actually a space frame chassis

that's then reinforced with layers of carbon around it?

It helps kind of keep the cost lower, but gets to about 70 percent

of the overall rigidity is a full carbon monocoque.

And so that's one of the ways we kind of the decision we made,

especially with this car, this first model to try to keep it.

I want to say cost reasonable because we want to make it where it's an exciting thing.

It's it shouldn't be.

It's we don't want to even be a question of it's something you want to add to your garage.

Exactly. And so that's kind of the thought with with the chassis there specifically.

Well, so let's talk about suspension and brakes and suspension calibration.

How much adjustability is the suspension going to have?

Can I buy this thing?

I live in, you know, you live in Austin.

We used to live in Austin.

There's some awesome tracks around Austin.

There's Coda.

How difficult will it be for me to literally arrive and drive?

Will the, you know, let's deep dive.

Yeah. So I think the the the the the suspension specifically,

I mean, the the current kind of supplier that we have locked in right now is Bilstein.

There it's a it's a pushrod setup.

It's cantilevered, cantilevered shocks.

And so it's super, super.

I mean, it's a very solid.

Like again, stays true to the entire formula car aspect, double wishbone suspension.

And it's I think one thing that'll be really important to talk about,

which I don't know how much you've seen into it is the actual method of street legality.

I think that's an important thing to discuss on because that kind of ties back

to a lot of the structural decisions and component decisions we made.

And so kind of the entire way we made it street.

Because I don't remember if we talked about this too much the other day.

But Caleb, let's let them know more know more about the car

because they go part they'll be interested in.

But we've got it.

I mean, I'm curious personally, because I've got a few more.

Like so as far as the design goes, the limiting factor might be a lack

of a front nose lift.

Have you looked at look into doing something like that?

Yes. So the suspension right now on this model,

there won't be like kind of an automatic axle lift.

Like you see on like your GT3 RS's and stuff like that.

But the suspension is adjustable.

So when you're going on street use, you're able to kind of adjust

and keep it higher.

And and it's similar to kind of like a coilover suspension,

but a little bit easier to do.

But not quite as simple as pushing the button in the axle raises on this first model.

But you're surprised actually how efficient when you can set it at not

at a still fairly low position where you can get in and out.

Like my driveway is a little more aggressive.

I can get in and out of it with a prototype without even without much issue.

And that thing's that thing's low.

So it'll be adjustable in that aspect.

And if you go to the track, you can kind of tune the suspension.

And it's pretty aggressive.

You can adjust a good amount of adjustments you can do.

All right, now let's do a big reveal.

Let's talk about the motor.

Let's talk about the transmission.

Let's talk about the limit.

All right, this was really awesome.

Now, I'm going to be honest with you guys when I was talking to him

for the first time on the phone yesterday, I was fearful.

He was going to tell me that they're putting some sort of freaking,

you know, three cylinder snowmobile,

you know, boring ass, loud, nasty oil gas motor in it.

But nope, guess what motor he's putting this thing?

Go ahead. Yeah.

So so what it's going to actually have, it's going to have an 1100 cc

four cylinder motorcycle engine that has 220 horsepower and weight.

And the motor itself, the reason we chose that, I'll dive into in a second.

But yeah. And yeah, 220 horsepower and a 13000 RPM red line.

And I think that the motorcycle engine was perfect

because you get that like loud screaming red line.

And the vehicle itself only weighs 1140 pounds.

So 1140 pounds with 220 horsepower is aggressive.

It's fast. I mean, the zero to 60 is about 2.8 seconds.

It's it's really, really quick.

And then it screams.

So it gives that real formula car feel where you've got the high RPM,

the high red line, and you're able to kind of really shift through gears

and have that experience.

I know the other day we were talking about like, oh, Jared,

what about making an electric?

I'm like, I don't think I don't think it's not a great experience.

Yeah. I don't think it's an experience.

It's a sequential transmission.

Yeah. So that's that's one of the really nice things

about using the motorcycle engine is they're they're super lightweight.

So the entire engine in transmission is only like 175 pounds.

That's incredible. I didn't know that.

So lightweight.

And so that's that's one thing that's really, really nice.

And then the transmissions kind of within that.

And it is really the motorcycle transmissions are

I mean, they're sequential transmissions with straight cut gears.

We've then kind of have integrated them with paddle shifters.

So kind of the aim has systems were able to integrate the shifter

to actually function with paddle shift.

Hold on. I didn't know that.

So you're saying out of the gates, the cars has paddle shifters.

Shifter. Yeah. Oh, that's out of the gate.

And it has like an auto blipper.

So obviously all motorcycles are manual.

So we have an auto blipper which cuts throttle on upshift slightly

and auto blips on downshift.

So you don't have to use the clutch when you're shifting through gears.

You do use it to start from a stop.

Just like formula like a race car formula race cars.

You'll use it to start from a stop and then you don't use it for shifting.

And so it functions the same way as that.

And that was something that was that was really awesome,

especially to test with the prototype.

Do you have any interior pictures? I haven't I didn't see any.

Yeah, not an insane amount of interior pictures in the production model

because the prototype, I mean, it's it's a prototype.

Right. It's raw.

Like you can see the steel tube chassis.

It doesn't look the same as the production model.

You said we've got we've got a little full little full of feel.

So these are kind of like actual custom seats that we made

overlaid with kind of the seat.

But I don't think you'll see them to see the whole thing there.

But that's actually the the custom

the custom seat that we were able to to produce.

And so is it going to have like,

is it going to have those foam inserts like that?

Yeah, a lot of foam inserts.

And so there's different.

You can choose choose the colors for those different foam inserts.

And I say, I actually have a different.

I think I uploaded those.

We have a we have a slightly updated version with different seat belts.

I can that'll be you'll be able to see when the website goes live.

But that's one thing that that is going to be really cool

because we tried to make it again where there's some customization you can do.

You're working kind of make your own.

Caleb, you made those seats or the Sparko seats?

No, so the seat belts are Sparko seat belts.

So the seats themselves, the seats themselves we designed.

And I mean, most formula cars are the seats are pretty custom.

But we kind of wanted to take more of a bucket seat approach,

kind of like, again, like a like a GT3 where there's bucket seats that are kind

of universal. And so that was kind of one of our one of our plans and tensions.

So yeah, this seat was more kind of custom designed with some inspiration

from some other kind of taking some of the seats that we really like.

How do we get that aggressive seating position?

Because there's no seat you can buy that will be the seating position

that this car needs.

And so we have to kind of create like a more of a custom seat

and then kind of add some cushions and make it daily drivable

while still being aggressive and holding you in there.

Because the lateral cheese that this vehicle is capable of is pretty extreme.

So you need to have reasonable support.

That's so let's talk about brakes.

What's the out of the gates breaks pack break package?

Yeah, so the wheel would breaks.

It's got adjustable brake bias.

You can actually adjust the brake bias too, which is really cool.

I don't know what that means.

Is it not tell in case you see you can see you can adjust the percentage

of bias that goes to front or rear brakes, which is really that's one

of the things that you see formula car drivers, especially formula one drivers

doing active and they have a lot of settings they can adjust.

But that's one of the most rudimentary ones is it being able to just kind

of front and rear brake bias?

I mean, anyone that uses a racing sim and all that kind of stuff

will probably have a pretty good idea of that.

So again, depending on turn and speed and track overall track

conditional to turn how much you want on the front versus the rear.

That's incredible.

So as you look back over your shoulder, I know you're getting ready

to start selling or delivering customer cars sometime in the foreseeable future.

Is there anything that you wish you if you had to do it all over again design wise?

And like if there's going to be a 2.0 version other than maybe just, you know,

what would you have done differently?

Because this to me, honestly, Caleb, this looks fricking awesome.

This looks literally like the dream car that every car nerd has always

wished they could have.

And we're going to talk about the legality of this in a second,

because I know that's all of you guys are going to be looking really curious about.

But is there anything you would have done differently?

So I think on this model, I mean, I feel I feel really confident.

I mean, I feel really confident.

I feel really confident on this initial model and the price point we're at.

I think the next model that we're going to be launching with, that's not for a little bit.

We got to my big concern right now is getting these on the street

and people driving them, but we'll be launching this one's called the the RIN FB3.

And so we're going to be launching the RIN FB1.

That'll get announced in towards probably the end of 2027 or early 2028.

Once there's a lot of these already in customers' hands.

And that one's going to add a lot of stuff that I think is really cool.

That'll increase the cost noticeably, but the an insane package where I think again,

I don't I don't think there's anything I'd change about the FB3 here.

I feel great about it.

I think it looks amazing.

Yeah, the air we came up with everything.

I think it looks really cool.

And the integration we had to do to make it street legal, which we'll talk about here shortly.

That was that I mean, that took that was definitely more one of the more

kind of like challenging things that kind of took some deep thinking to overcome.

You mentioned arrows.

So let's talk about that.

Other than the wings looking cool.

I assume you did a lot of, you know, testing AI.

Probably there was a lot of testing and we're now in the process

of actually kind of creating creating these actual physical wings in real life

to start to test on the prototype because that'll be super helpful too.

And then yeah, there's been a lot of kind of CAD testing done overall on it

and they're all adjustable.

So the wings, the front and rear wings can both be adjusted based on track

you're at and everything or overall driving conditions.

So yeah, awesome.

All right.

So let's get to the street legal, the street legal reality and use case.

The use case is you have to be a real car enthusiast

who likes to spend a lot of time by himself because there's no second seat,

which in a lot of cases is an attribute, not a detriment,

but that's not something we need to talk about in today's show.

But let's just talk about the legality of this because what you just,

what you have figured out how to do, and there are other, you know,

you and I were talking yesterday, you got Ariel Adam, Ariel Nomad.

I mean, there's quite a few companies globally, they're selling similar products.

So we know there's a lot of people out there that want something like this,

but nobody has ever gone to the extreme of actually making it a real race car

because they haven't been able to decode what you've been able to do

with regards to making it legal.

Yeah, so I think the big thing and so kind of Ariel Adams and like the BAC

monos and all those, the awesome cars, awesome, really, really cool cars.

And I think one of the things with it is so a lot of them,

they don't come technically street legal.

A lot of people actually don't know about this.

Like Ariel Adams, for example, aren't street legal from the factory.

Like you don't get a title.

It's not super easy to, you don't get a street legal title.

You can just walk in and register like any vehicle.

So you, a lot of people do and it depends on your city.

You kind of register as a kick car.

So that's how Ariel Adams will normally work.

So you register as a kick car and that's fine, depending on where you're at.

A little bit of a lengthy process, pretty time consuming.

It takes a lot on the buyer's part to deal with.

You have to have inspections and prove all the stuff of the van and everything.

And so it also limits.

There's a lot of counties where you can't do that.

They won't allow kick cars.

They won't allow Ariel Adams to be driven on the streets.

One of the biggest things that we hear from people that are like,

I want to get one, but I don't know for sure if my county or state is going to allow it.

And I don't want to buy it.

And then be like, I can't even put it on the street.

And that was all the reason I was going to buy it.

So we were trying to find a way to make it where, how can we make it where it's

easy to register and then you can do a super simple way while still creating

the formula car proportions.

And so the biggest obstacle is actually four wheel passenger cars follow

very specific FMVSS regulations.

There's a, they're pretty strict.

There's really strict safety ratings, really strict.

I mean, the, the wheel coverings, lighting, certain dimensions, how sharp,

certain angles are, it's, it's, it's pretty intense.

Now, what you can do and what we were able to kind of come with, and we kind of

talked with some regulators directly, uh, to try to figure out what kind of one

of the best methods might be.

And so what we ended up coming up with, and this is kind of the entire regulatory

option that allowed us to do this is, is we, we actually delivered the car as

a three wheel auto cycle.

So what we do is we delivered as a three wheel auto cycle and I have, I have a

picture of it here.

And so this is how the car actually gets delivered.

And it's included as a three wheel auto cycle.

Now, auto cycles are, uh, they don't, they, the amount of regulations that you

have to have an auto cycle, it's treated as, as a motorcycle.

And how is it motorcycle FMVSS regulations?

Uh, and so that allows us to kind of focus like they, that pretty much limits

lighting, uh, wheels, tires, brakes.

Well, so let me take a step, a half step.

So auto cycles are three wheelers and what's, what's the one?

Oh, I always, the, what you see them on the road sometimes in like

around North Carolina and sometimes in Texas, the ones that it's two in the

front, one in the back, what are they like a player, a slingshot?

Or what people don't know is you don't need a motorcycle license with that thing.

There's only one state you do.

I think it's, was it Massachusetts?

I think it's Massachusetts.

There's one state.

That's it.

So if you're in Massachusetts, gotta get a motorcycle license.

Anyone else that's not in Massachusetts, you're fine.

But, um, yeah.

So you, but yeah, you're, you're correct.

You don't, it almost everywhere you don't need a motorcycle license.

Uh, it, it in, and yeah, continue with what you're saying there.

Well, no, I'm only saying that this is the reason that he starts with a three

wheeler and this is where things go from me looking at an Instagram and then

thinking it was AI, some fake posts, just to tease people like myself, like all of

you, and then realized the thing, this guy's actually decoded something because

there's been three wheelers out there forever and he's actually figured out, I

don't want to step on his, what he's saying here, but he's actually figured

out how to give all of us a four wheel formula three car for the road.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

So, so, so kind of how it works.

So the three wheeler itself, I mean, it's cool.

It's a cool car and we're, we're right now, like continuing to optimize.

Like our prototype now has is we're selling the three wheel conversion on it.

And we're going to be, uh, doing a lot more additional testing and posting a

lot of pictures and videos with that.

But so the three wheel version itself is cool.

Like it's designed, it's not a slingshot.

It's designed to be an awesome car.

I mean, I, I feel pretty good with the way it looks.

I think it looks cool.

I think it's going to be a ton of fun.

It's still 220 horsepower, super lightweight and an insane street machine,

but it's not a full formula car.

And so what we wanted to do is then we kind of delivered in this three

wheel auto site configuration and then we provide a four wheel conversion kit.

So that four wheel conversion kit is what then allows you to kind of unlock

the full performance potential and be able to kind of achieve the actual track

performance that's like true to the formula car DNA.

Uh, and that's kind of the, the, the reason for it.

So creating it where we able to live in the three wheel configuration gives

an easy way to register, ensure you get a title.

You have a bin attached to it.

It's super simple.

And then we provide the four wheel conversion kit.

And there's some stuff I want to kind of explain with the conversion

kit here in a second, but that's the, that's the general purpose.

That's the way we were able to come up with the, the entire concept.

Cause again, trying to create one as four wheels, that's truly street legal.

That's the reason it hasn't been done as it's not possible.

So this is kind of the, the regulatory kind of, I don't want to say work around.

Cause that doesn't sound great, but the regulatory like method that we found

that'll make it worth possible.

Well, so I'm going to take you, there was a, um, you, I'm sure know about this.

Uh, Trump went to Japan.

I'm going to get this all wrong, but I thought this was fascinating.

And he fell in love with all those little tiny micro cars, uh, that he's,

that you see all over Japan.

And he said, well, why the hell don't we have those in the United States?

So he asked his department of a transportation guy, why the hell don't

we have this in the United States?

And the guy said, well, we have this, I think it was 1800 page, a book of all

these rules and regulations that are unique to the United States.

And, and Trump said, well, what if we are to, you know, make that down to this

many pages, what are the types of products could we have people deliver

in the United States?

So a lot of the cars that we're stuck with are because they've been overly

regulated too much bureaucracy.

And if you go to any other place in the world, you can start seeing smaller,

efficient cars that are not just a fish more efficient on the wallet, the more

efficient on the environment that in the United States, because they have to

have, you know, all these extra safety measures and we've got these big

behemoths that roll around all over the place.

So in small, by the way, and this is psychological, but it's true.

Small and light does not mean unsafe.

That's what people equate.

Small and light does not mean unsafe.

It's, you know, obviously race cars.

I'd rather get in an accident and a, you know, one of these is a race car than

I would say, for example, most street cars, because the chassis itself is so,

so much more rigid.

You do obviously have issues like so safety wise.

This is my brain, how it works.

All right.

Let's say I want to buy an extreme car.

I can go, let's say I'm looking for a toy car.

I could buy an old 911.

It's tiny compared to a modern car.

So is it any more safe or less safe?

I don't know.

I could buy an aerial at them.

I could buy one of these other things, which I've had an aerial at them.

You know, they're small compared to other cars.

I have motorcycles going to be.

So there's inherent risks than anything that you buy is what I'm trying to say.

I'm not trying to sell you into this thing being it doesn't have airbags, for example.

What I'm trying to, what I'm trying to express to you is don't just summarily

write it off because you're preconceived notions about what is possible.

This pushes the boundaries because that was my initial reaction.

And then, you know, Caleb obviously convinced me otherwise.

Yeah.

So like one of the biggest things, I mean, like the safety is a factor.

And I think one of the things that it comes down to two where you're talking

about with, with regulations is they say, OK, well, on four wheel

passenger vehicles, there's all this stuff that has to be this.

It has to be that has to be, it has to pass these certain ratings.

It can't have this certain aspect.

And then you think about, like, but you can just ride a motorcycle.

So it's, it's like, if you're going to, I think the decision, obviously,

regardless of this vehicle or anything else, kind of relies on the individual.

Like if you want to take the risk and ride a motorcycle, why are you then limited

taking the risk and doing some other aspect that you want?

But the one, we've done a lot to try to make this pretty safe.

And like it's, it's now, I mean, it's never going to be as safe as a minivan.

That's just not how it is.

There's inherent risk with whatever you drive.

It's like an older 9-11 is not inherently the most safe vehicle.

So, but that doesn't mean that you're going to not going to drive it.

And it's just they're incredible vehicles.

And that doesn't mean we can't do stuff to make it as safe as we can.

So a lot of stuff we've done, I mean, that's one of the main reasons

we didn't want to use just a space frame chassis is like their, their

torsional resistance and how quickly the crumple is noticeably different.

That's why adding that kind of carbon is a huge thing.

But Caleb, it's worth mentioning too.

Just be, you didn't say this, but, you know, in that, for example,

if you have a really, really, really stiff chassis, if it's all of the

carbon fiber monocoque, just a carbon fiber tub, that is going to all that.

I forget what the three letter or four letter code is.

All that's going to transfer into your spine.

It's going to be brutal.

You want on a street car, the chassis to have a little bit of flex in it.

That way it can, you know, all the undulations in the road and all the things.

The chassis has to have a little flex in it.

Making a chassis stiffer for a race track and when the track is really smooth,

makes sense.

Making it stiffer the road doesn't make sense.

It's a compromise.

Yeah.

And I'm sure there's definitely some compromise with it.

I mean, realistically, a lot of what happens and a lot of what we've done with

safety is, is in order to make the car safer, we try to add some rigidity.

Rigidity is to a, like, uh, I don't want to say direct opposite of what you're

saying, but rigidity is super important with safety.

Uh, and so we wanted to make it rigid.

And at the same time, when you make it rigid for safety, you make it rigid and

that increases the performance and the overall stiffness of the chassis.

So that the chassis is one factor.

Another thing is adding that halo in the front.

Um, the halo is a big, a big factor too.

I mean that, that limits a substantial amount of any sort of rollover issue,

debris coming at you, any big options, like things like that, that, that helps

with that a lot.

And then also having the six point harness.

Um, and so we'll most likely have to include like a normal seatbelt to kind

of that, that's a DOT approved seatbelt.

Uh, and then have the kind of the harness is like a, an included accessory that

you can install.

Uh, and so, but the harness is, uh, and that's, that's another good example.

Like for example, that like the DOT requires you have like a normal three

point seatbelt, uh, which is substantially less safe than a six point harness, but

you can't use the six point harness.

And I think a lot of it comes to being able to pull someone out and stuff like

that, but, uh, the six point harness noticeably safer, especially if you use

like a Hans device, uh, or a neck brace.

Uh, that's that a neck brace, a helmet, the six point harness halo.

I mean, it's also all, it is substantially safer than a motorcycle.

That's for sure.

Yeah.

That's for sure.

And it's, it's, it's never, uh, I don't want to say it's going to be the safest

field they've ever driven, but it's, well, but this person, it's a person of preference.

Well, what's your, what's your risk profile?

If you're someone that's, Hey, I'm, I don't even want to buy a sports car

because I'm worried, probably not, it's probably not for you then.

No, it's true.

And it, you know, it depends where you live or, you know, a lot of things, but

this is, this will be like, I can see this being a second or third or fourth car,

somebody that basically wants to have something when they're in that special

crazy mood, when they're going to go out and absolutely have fun or the fricking,

you know, McLaren or the Ferrari doesn't quite scratch that itch.

This is something that this is for the extreme.

But so the halo, is there any sort of windshield in front of it or no?

No.

So no, no windshield.

We didn't add any windshield.

I think we kind of looked into it.

We also looked into some different halo styles, which we're kind of, we're still

testing to see, we may end up slightly changing the structure where the pillar's

not right in the center in front, where we have kind of two off to the side that

support it.

So we're still kind of testing to see which one we want to go with for, for sure.

We're leaning towards having the center one, because I think it's, it's super rigid,

but it also matches that formula car look that everyone's used to.

You have to assume, you have to assume the FIA probably researched the crap

out of that already.

And they went with the center thing for, and there was some, there was some issues

too, which we kind of just recently did to, because there was, there was a patent

on the halo that someone had had that the FIA had to kind of work through.

But that patent actually just recently expired.

Wow.

So, so yeah, so it opens up a little bit of, of options there.

And so that just gives us more options of what we want to do with the halo.

But yeah, there's no windshield.

Another thing too, we thought about was, was do you want some sort of

speaker in there?

And honestly, it's, it's, you're going to wear a helmet.

You're going to have a helmet on.

It's not a car.

Like that's, if you, if you had a windshield, you wouldn't need the helmet as much,

or people would feel like they don't need the helmet.

I mean, you, it's a vehicle you want to have a helmet in.

And it is, it's almost like the way I kind of think about it is it's almost like

the driving experience, almost like a blend between riding a motorcycle and

driving a car.

Uh, and I myself, I love motorcycles.

Incredible.

Like one of the things, once I started riding motorcycles, uh, uh, taking a

10,000 dollar motorcycle down twisty roads, I had far more fun than taking a

$300,000 super car down in feeling is just incredible.

But the thing that scares me is, is the risk with it.

So I would do a lot of racing on the track and trying to kind of balance

like, well, what's my risk profile?

So creating that same experience, well, drastically decreasing the risk profiles.

Another thing that just made this idea so exciting for me.

Yeah, it's really exciting.

Well, this, so this is going to have lights.

It's going to have, you've obviously engineered and thought through a lot of

the things that people would have concerns about naturally.

You're going to be delivering this as a three-wheeler, but you're going to be

including the four-wheeler kit.

So essentially, uh, I assume a lower skilled home mechanic can convert it from

a three-wheel to a four-wheeler.

Yeah, it's, it's pretty easy.

It's got about a three hour book time.

Um, I mean, that's, so that's taken a lot of the engineering that we've had to do.

And that's where I was going to talk about the suspension stuff comes within

that because then you have the suspension geometry is something that took a lot

because you're figuring out, okay, well, you have a three-wheeler and a four-wheeler.

You need to keep the general front, like the main part of the chassis the same.

You want it to be easy to switch.

Uh, and that's, that's something that, that we kind of looked into it also

because we're using the motorcycle engine.

What we were actually doing is it's actually chain driven.

So it's chain driven, but it has, it has a train driven limited slip differential

on the back for the four-wheel conversion.

Uh, and so it still has a limited slip, but it doesn't use a drive shaft.

It's chain driven, but that also makes it easier with the swap where then you

kind of the, the, the, the three-wheel conversion kit will actually has a, a kind

of, it uses like a swing arm method similar to a motorcycle where, and you

can kind of see in here how, how it kind of, how it kind of looks.

It's chain driven and actually uses a swing arm.

Yeah.

It uses a swing arm pivot point.

Uh, and so kind of figuring out the suspension geometry to still keep the formula

because you, a lot of the times when you have it like that, the, the, the coil

and the suspension, the shock straight up and down, that's how it is to absorb it.

So kind of trying to, like figuring out a cantilever method so it can be angled

so it can fit underneath that formula bodywork and keep that same look, even

the three-wheel version.

So that took a lot of research.

And now we, we've, we're at a really, really good point with where we're at

with that and actually developing now what we've, what we created.

So your four-wheel conversion basically is an complete assembly.

That's what you're talking about.

So it's, it's literally going to, the, the vehicle will be delivered with a

complete assembly that if you wanted to convert it from a three-wheel to four-wheeler

and the legality of that, of converting it is a perfect thing to talk

about here. So, uh, cause that, that's kind of where we had to do is trying to find

like, okay, well, what's the best way we can make a formula car?

Like that you can drive on the street.

So the three-wheelers, obviously no question, easy drive on the street,

have your insurance, it's registered, all that kind of stuff.

So in the four-wheel diversion, the, the, the, there's, there's a few things

that are definitely worth talking about with it.

Um, and this is how we were able to kind of make this happen.

Um, so in relation to, there's kind of three main points, kind of registration,

insurance and kind of like potential issues, like police or anything like that.

So the four-wheel conversion kit is not, it's, it's an aftermarket part.

It's not an FMVSS compliant part, just like most kind of wheels and tires.

Well, I guess wheels are usually DOT compliant, but, uh, kind of like exhausts

and things like that.

They're not, uh, it's not an FM, it's not up to FMVSS regulatory standards.

And so, uh, what that means is then for, for registration, if you put the

four-wheel conversion kit on and you, you take it to the street, you shouldn't

have any issues of registration.

It's not like, they don't inspect that.

It doesn't cause an issue.

And in the aspect of registration, like you can kind of go each year and get

your registration with insurance.

If you put the four-wheel conversion kit on and you drive it on the street,

you need to let insurance know that's a really important part.

Cause then when it becomes a four-wheeler, they even have to change the policy.

And so that's, that's a really important part where if you drive the four-wheel

conversion, cause they'll have it in their system by the end as an auto cycle.

If they then put the four-wheel conversion kit on it, you need to make sure you

let them know, cause they sometimes they'll update policies.

Uh, we've actually talked to, we've talked to all the main providers about

this and they don't have an issue.

Uh, like for example, our prototype center through state farm.

Uh, but they, yeah, you have to make sure you mention it.

We've actually seen some policies where it can, they mentioned it may

actually decrease when you put the four-wheel conversion kit on there.

Cause it's more stable now.

Makes sense.

So that's actually just easier to, to control.

Um, and then the, the, the, the main possible like concern would be like

kind of a ticket.

So because like you could, if a cop, like you got pulled over in a cop

on to be difficult, he could give you a ticket for having an illegal

modification, like an exhaust.

That's like the possible concern of what you could have.

It's pretty rare and the cop would have to really know substantially a lot

about it, but it's something too, where we want to be transparent about

all the possible situations.

So that's, that's the risk I'm going to take.

And again, if you don't want to do that, the three-wheel conversion,

the three-wheel version is insane for the street.

You don't have to install a four-wheel conversion for the street, but we

wanted to make a way where you could and kind of just present the information.

We could say, Hey, here's a way where we made it kind of possible.

And this is kind of the method that you have to use and then explain the

exact situation.

So, so we kind of lay it out there and then we kind of allow you to make

the choice yourself.

Yeah, makes sense.

Well, yeah, people modify their cars all day long.

I mean, yeah, you put a lot of exhaust in there, knowing you're probably,

there's a good chance you might get a ticket.

It's like, it is what it is.

A lot of them are fixed tickets to like that.

If you get that.

So like, if you can show, Hey, it's here's the three-wheel version.

It just gets voided, but it's case by case.

And it really depends on the kind of county and state you're in.

Well, you're not going to be selling billions of these.

So it's probably not going to show up on anybody's radar in a meaningful way.

And these will probably get sold in coastal towns and, you know,

where the great driving roads and things like that.

These are going to, these, these cars are going to find their homes and

probably places where people are already, you know, driving enthusiasts and

probably so, so are the Leos, you know, exactly.

And I think, I mean, the same thing too, or like if you, cause the suspension is

adjustable, you could adjust it to under the legal height limit.

Same kind of thing, same kind of risk profile.

Like, okay, do you, you could do it.

It'll be really cool.

It's kind of up to, up to different people.

Like we want to just present the option and give you like, Hey, here's

everything you need to kind of make whatever they make the decision you want

or you could do this if you want, but you, we kind of fill you in.

And here's, here's how that may look.

Yeah, makes sense.

All right.

So, I mean, it's just, frankly, it's like when we got our aerial atom, our aerial

atom was pre, it was used, it, we got it through, uh, someone who had already gone

through the hassle of getting a state title on it.

And when we registered it, we registered it through Montana.

So, I mean, you guys can do the exact same thing.

So what we're saying at the end of the day.

Oh, and by the way, there are SB 133 or something where there's all these

small manufacturers that are making cars, Ravology Mustang and all these other

guys that are making basically brand new old cars and they're getting registered too.

So there's, you know, there's definite way pathways to accomplishing this.

And that's the, the main way we wanted to do it too is again, you have the registration,

you have everything situated already has a VIN.

You don't have to go through that whole process and you have the, the, the

formal conversion kits to install.

These come with VINs then.

So you're, you're okay.

Well, we're like, yeah, it's what like, uh, we're already like a registered

manufacturer with the NHTSA and, uh, and then you kind of can, can put in the support

to kind of get the VINs allocated to you.

And so yeah, so they'll be all VINs, street legal.

It comes with a title and registered the same way as if you walked into

by a Vanderhoal or a slingshot where like you, you walk in there, you're able

to get the title.

It's super easy and then you'll get the conversion kit and then we just, we

can't deliver it in the conversion kit because it's not FNVSS compliant.

And so then it's up to, then that's where you can do it or we can do it

after it's delivered there.

We have a support network that we were built up that by the time cars are

starting to deliver, they'll be a pretty vast support network.

We're trying to make it where every major city has multiple potential, uh,

support shops they could go to for maintenance.

So that'll be a big thing.

Um, but what you could do too is if you have the four wheel conversion kit and

you're like, Hey, my state's really, really specific and I don't, I don't

want to even ever risk a ticket.

Uh, and you, but I need the four wheel conversion kit on there.

You could then go through the process of just registering as a kick car and you

could do that.

And that's, that's what you have to do for aerial atoms.

You have to do for most of those other cars.

We just wanted to make an option.

You don't technically have to, there is an option for it to be easier,

but if you want, you can still do that.

Yeah.

If you're crazy enough to buy something like this, you're going to

figure it out.

That's really the bottom line.

Yeah.

And again, there's, there's, the main thing is that there's multiple options

and it's, I think a lot of people kind of like worry about it, but anyone who's

putting exhaust on their car is taking, who would take the same risk as putting

a, the four wheel conversion kit.

All right.

So this is the big reveal.

What everyone's, you know, whatever one's asking themselves, you know,

they're all super curious.

We already talked about the fact that it's going to have a motorcycle motor

in Hayu.

What was the brand?

So, so right now it's, we actually have kind of like already the current one right

now is it's a Prillio 1100.

It's the same motor, the ASM engine that's used in the RSV4.

But depending on kind of some of the preorder volume we get, we'll have some

conversations with Suzuki and some other individuals to potentially switch

like a Hayabusa or something, but those talks are still in the work.

So the Prillio is the one that we know for sure right now we can do.

And so we know we have everything figured out.

So it's like, oh, cool.

Can we make it better?

Is your, is your test car, does it have one of those motors in it?

No, the test car actually has a, it has a motorcycle engine.

It has a Suzuki GSXR 1000 motor in it.

That was about 185 horsepower.

Yeah.

All right.

So here's the big question everyone wants to know.

Caleb, let's talk about pricing.

I, this has to, this has to be a million dollars.

A million for sure.

Well, the millions is stretch.

Okay.

500.

No.

Yeah.

Getting closer.

So the price, the goal with the price and the goal with this car again was to make something

that was reasonable and something that like, we're to get the brand known and kind of show

that we can deliver cars without making you give us an insane amount.

So the sell price of this one starts at $78,499.

So that's the starting price.

And then there's a custom configurator, you can go above that, but honestly, not by a ton.

The main custom configurations that add costs is you can get the front and rear wing completely

carpet fiber and that adds costs.

But other than that, I mean, the car you see in that image is the car that's $78,000.

I want everyone to have that little bounce around their head a little bit,

because I would venture, well, I already know for a fact that buying a Formula 3 car for the

actual road would cost, or for a racetrack would cost, I don't even know what the multiple would be.

I think they're, I think just buying a new one, yeah, maybe 150 to 180.

For the chassis though, that's not with the built motor and the transmission.

Yeah, for base level, base level for sure.

Yeah, so that's just not built up.

Yeah, so there it is.

80 grand out of the gates.

And includes the three-wheel version and the four-wheel conversion kit.

So that includes everything with it.

I don't know to tell you, if you guys are impressed, I don't, you know.

What we're trying to do then now is so like a pre-order is open on January 10th.

And so the goal there is again, kind of like, we want to really see what level of market

interest is there.

Like how much demand is there?

How excited are people for it?

And so what we actually have starting is it's a $100 deposit that's fully refundable.

That kind of reserves your spot for deliveries.

And we can talk about when deliveries are actually going to start.

And so that's all it takes in the beginning.

You kind of custom configure your car and then reserve your car.

It's a $100 refundable deposit.

And that's kind of how it's going to work when the website goes live.

Boy, refundable.

Yeah, as you said.

It's totally refundable.

And the deposit's not used towards any operations or any manufacturing or any development.

The money and all deposits stay in a secured account that are refundable at any point.

The only time that the deposit gets used is once your car goes into manufacturing and

we reach out and say, hey, it's going to manufacturing, finalize the actual payment

for the car and then start building your car.

Any time before then it's in a secured account, not used for any sort of development or

operations in any way.

And it's ready if you for some reason wanted it back.

Because I think that's sometimes that people have a concern with like newer companies.

Like, okay, well, how can I trust them?

And so that's why we wanted to try to make it where there was no question.

Like, here's all the questions you may be concerned about.

Let's try to answer them.

Well, Caleb, how long ago did people have to give their $50,000 deposits for the Tesla Roadster?

Was it $50,000?

$50,000.

Oh my gosh.

Was that the first gen or was that the first gen?

One that supposedly coming out in 2026.

Oh, they didn't even know it was $50,000 deposit.

I think the Cybertruck was $100.

Yeah, but think about this.

Okay, so I don't know how many deposits he collected, but an enormous number.

Think about the float on all that money sitting in an account.

That's a lot of interest that basically is going to go somewhere.

Yeah, that's a very, very good point.

And that's where the same thing, too, we want to do is we want to make it

was easy to kind of judge interest.

And at least, okay, how many people are interested?

How many pre-orders do we actually get, especially for these initial models?

Because early on, it's going to be, we're going to have a limited production.

We want to make sure that we're getting these to customers.

Customers are happy and making sure that we're giving them the attention we need

and making these as good as we possibly can.

So let's talk about more limited ones initially.

Let's talk about, right.

So there you go.

So he talked about coming out with the Founders Edition,

which is going to be the first however many decide to make the Founders Editions.

They're going to maybe be numbered.

You get on the list, it's $100 deposit.

You can go to a site and spec it out, decide what colors you want,

all the rest of it and have a great old time doing that.

So how long do you think realistically on a conservative side

is it going to take for customer deliveries to start happening?

Yeah. So the standard timeline we're telling everyone and that we've presented

is May, 2027 is when deliveries start for the Founders Edition.

And so I think we're going to be able to do it a little earlier than that.

We're going to be able to start to get some things there.

But I don't want to, I'd rather be a little bit overestimate the time a little bit

to make sure that I can provide by that delivery date.

Because I don't want to have to push back delivery dates.

I don't want to have to keep pushing back.

That happens often in the industry and I'd like to just,

I really want to, I feel confident in what we have here.

I feel confident in what we've done.

I feel confident with where we're at with the people.

Well, these are made in the United States, right Caleb?

Yeah, made in the United States, Austin, Texas.

So a lot of the parts of the manufacturer itself,

we kind of partner with a lot of different companies,

like obviously Bilstein for the Shox and things like that.

So we use a lot of AME electronics for steering wheel and stuff.

So, and then I'll talk a little bit on the edition.

So yes, there's a really limited number.

So there's some early access editions

and most of those are actually already accounted for.

And then there's Founders Editions,

which are going to be the first ones that are live during pre-orders.

And that's again, a very limited supply.

And that has, you kind of get access to a,

like a limited Founders Edition livery.

It's signed by the founders internally on the actual cars.

It has a stamp of the founders.

It's numbered, like you said,

so you can actually see which number a Founder Edition you have.

So that's a really, really limited number.

And that's, those are the kind of the,

when you go through the custom tab,

it kind of automatically,

you can choose which edition you want,

whether it's Founders Edition,

and then the one after that's the Launch Edition.

So there's a little bit more of a larger number

of Launch Editions than Founders Editions.

And the Founders Editions are also the ones that deliver first.

So the Founders Editions deliver in May, 2027.

And then the Launch Editions deliver later in 2027.

And these are the parts.

So the nature of the customer that's going to buy this from you

is going to be a hot rider.

And they're going to want to basically be able to mess around with it.

And as you do upgrades that are adaptable to this original chassis,

obviously you'll make those available for those,

for people to upgrade.

If you come out with a, you know, alternative suspension,

Alcon brakes versus, you know,

Willwood brakes or Willwoods are awesome.

All those types of things.

Maybe you're going to come out with carbon fiber wheels.

Maybe you're going to come out with blah, blah, blah, blah.

All that stuff will be adaptable to the original cars.

Justin Bieber Absolutely.

And I think as there's certain,

I'm sure there's going to be some race series

that kind of get started around them.

And then those will have,

there'll be certain kind of upgrades that are allowed

within the regulations that end up getting kind of determined

for those, for those series.

And so I'm sure there'll be support that will do there.

I mean, we're also, we also kind of factor in,

okay, we need to have extra parts of everything

to kind of provide for repairs and more to work

and all that kind of stuff.

Justin Bieber Well, that's what, that's what's my next question.

That wasn't my next question.

Is it basically you, you're the,

you're not using super exotic parts.

I also noticed you're using carbon fiber,

but it's not carbon fiber everywhere.

So you're, you're sort of making it so that

if something gets banged up,

someone's going to be able to replace it without having to,

you know, get a second mortgage and things like that.

So you thought through the user experience.

Justin Bieber Yeah, again, especially to try to make this

just like a car that is on the, I mean,

on the reasonable side of price wise for what it is.

And so yeah, trying to make it where you have the choice,

you could bump it up, make it crazy.

And it's, and we're going to launch a ton of new options

to a more carbon, more aggressive suspension.

I mean, up to the arrow upgrades will add the probably,

and again, I don't want to get too far,

depending on which engine manufacturer we go with,

there could be potential upgraded power options with it.

And so that could be, that could be something too much.

Justin Bieber 1,300 pounds and 220 works per 11,

1140 pounds.

Justin Bieber Okay, do you think anyone's ever going to sit

in that thing Caleb and say, this is not fast enough?

Will that ever happen? No.

Justin Bieber You know, I think once you sit in it,

yeah, I don't think you're like, oh, you know,

this is about as quick as I need.

I mean, getting the most of it out of the track is something

that takes genuine skills.

So the four wheel versions capable of 2.6 lateral Gs

and does a faster lap time on like circuit of the America

than a GT3 RS.

And it's you know, you know, that how, how do you know a lot?

A lot of that's with the testing of the other prototype model.

Justin Bieber Oh my gosh.

Justin Bieber And this, this one's going to be faster

than the prototype model.

The production models will be faster than the prototype model.

And so we're able to kind of like do a lot of the testing

with track times.

And we also have, we got testing there.

There's, there's a lot of tracks and Austin,

which is really helpful for it.

And so that's one of the biggest things.

So 2.6 lateral Gs is a lot.

I mean, that's enough where if you're like,

that's enough where if you do a number of sessions,

like you'll feel in your neck.

Justin Bieber And your sides and ribs.

Justin Bieber Yes, it is.

It is a formula car through and through that should deliver

the experience that you'd hope to expect from it.

Because I mean, I think Formula One cars,

like I think GT3 RSs can pull up to like, I think 1.9 to 2.1

lateral Gs depending on modifications and driver.

And the like, like the Formula One cars are on a different

level because they're like four, four and a half.

But 2.6 is a lot.

I mean, it's, it's a lot.

So if you don't use tested at Kota, the Formula One track,

if you don't use that in your marketing, you're crazy.

Justin Bieber Yeah.

I was, we should probably, we should probably use it more.

I mean, a lot of testing is too done on like,

we like the Kota is a hard track to like allocate to do a lot

of testing on.

So that a lot of that's kind of like, okay,

seeing what was, what was kind of capable and my,

my, the kind of a business partner handles more than

mechanical engineering side and a lot of the testing side.

And he's the one that kind of was able to kind of

run a lot of that.

But then there's so many smaller tracks here too,

that you can do a lot of testing on.

So yeah, it's, it's, it worked out, worked out really well.

And I think we're going to be actually be posting a video

in not too long.

So the plan is to record that pretty soon here.

It's a direct side-by-side lap with the same driver and a

GT3 RS.

And then in the, we're debating on waiting, we're,

we're going to have one of the official production model

beta cars ready pretty soon.

And I think we're going to try to wait and film it with that.

Otherwise we're going to do it with the prototype and show

a side-by-side of the same lap.

Justin Bieber That's so exciting.

Justin Bieber 2 cars.

So yeah, it'll be really good, especially for the price point.

Like that's, that's the things to get that performance

for that price is one thing that I think is really exciting.

Justin Bieber And I know we talked about the fact that

you're looking forward to building out the community,

having arrive and drive, doing rallies, doing all kinds of

things, maybe making this an international community.

Those are all, those are all things that the founders

editions folks obviously will have first bites at that apple.

That's really exciting too.

Justin Bieber Yeah, they'll be the first one to have it

and kind of first one to be involved in those different

community kind of outings.

And I'm surprised how much feedback we got of like,

hey, they're going to be kind of like meet up and drive

events.

Like, and, and it seems like that's something that the

community wants a lot.

So we'll prioritize especially early on making sure that's

something we can get.

I mean, I'd love to see 30 people driving down the middle

of the city in these at night.

That sounds incredible.

Justin Bieber Wouldn't that be amazing driving around

downtown Austin?

Oh my gosh.

Justin Bieber Yes, very, very cool.

So that's, and that's again, my, my focus right now, I mean,

it seems like the demand that we have, I'm not quite in

demand generation mode right now, because it seems like

the demand we have is going to, we're, we're, we're, the

production we're going to output is going to be less than

the demand.

And so my, my whole thing right now is, okay, how can we,

how can we actually get these two customers hands as

soon as we can?

And there's some kind of YouTubers and kind of early

access customers that we're working with to get them into

some of these beta models to kind of test out some of the

manufacturing processes and just kind of get the production

data and then get real cars on the street where people

are actually starting to use them and test them and you'll

be able to kind of see videos of people using them.

And that way you can kind of witness it in here,

perspectives from people that aren't just us.

Can you imagine how crazy this is going to be on

socials amongst all those car influencer types?

It's going to be exciting.

I mean, we've already had a number of conversations with

some of the, some of the larger YouTubers who are

really interested in kind of getting some of the first

access to them.

And so that's, that's just, I mean, that's so exciting

because that shows like, okay, we, you, you have that

feeling of like, okay, this, this makes sense.

This is going to be really cool.

And then kind of having that validation, like in the

market really wants it.

A lot of people want it, like the big, big people are like,

I want it and I don't, I don't want to wait.

I want to get it as soon as I can.

What can I do to get it as fast as possible?

And so that, that's really exciting and that just

kind of shows like, okay, yeah, we're all in on this.

I mean, it's the, some long days between now and

getting that production one out and I'm, I'm excited for it.

You've got the passion for it.

You'll do fine.

I'm ready.

So five years from now, I don't know, I have a

feeling you're not, you're thinking six months from now,

but five years from now, where do you see your

business being?

Where, what happens?

Yeah.

How are you in motors?

Yeah.

So I've tried to, I mean, I've thought of, I've,

you got to kind of have a plan.

Okay.

What's the long plan?

And I think, I mean, one of the biggest things,

five years, I mean, these, I'm hoping to have the

FP3 be a fairly known name within the car community.

Like that's just a known car.

Like that is the driver's car.

Like there is, if you want to buy a car,

there's solely a driver that that is it.

And so that's kind of one of the goals.

And then we're going to be starting to launch the,

the, the FP1 around that time.

And so that one, I could share some details on

if you want, but I don't want to take the hype of the FP3.

So that one, that one has a target.

And this one again is, it's, we've done far less research

on this one than the FP3.

The FP3 is pretty well figured out.

That P1 is going to be around 1,600 pounds.

And that one's going to have around 600 to 650 horsepower.

So it's going to be crazy.

And that one will have like, so this one's kind of a

little bit similar as of like a, a Formula three car,

Formula Atlantic, where the FP1 is similar sizes,

like a Formula one car.

Well, so there's a design and layout.

I mean, you said Formula one car, but the ones from

the new ones that are coming out are a lot smaller.

Like when you say Formula one car, they, you know,

you go back into the early nineties and they're tiny little things.

No, it'll, it'll be like modern Formula one car,

where it'll be, it'll, it'll be kind of current regulation

at the time when it comes out.

And again, we can't, we can't make a direct copy.

I don't think that I would love it, but we'll, we'll,

we can kind of take that aspect and say, okay,

let's make something that has that same feel, that same look,

like same thing, like with this one,

like this is more close to a Formula three car,

but it, which is pretty much a Formula one car,

just a little smaller.

And so it'll be the full size of that.

It'll be the tire size is drastically larger.

Arrow will be more advanced.

That'll be on much higher price point,

full carbon fiber monocoque,

carbon fiber front and rear wings factory.

That one is going to be on a different level.

And then the power to weight is even crazier.

That one's, that one's targeted at getting close to four,

3.6 to four lateral Gs possible on the track,

is what we've like calculated so far.

But again, that's, that's, that,

if we're talking five years from now,

that's what I'm excited to launch.

And that's more of just a thought in the back of the mind,

because again, the thought right now is,

let's get these cars and cars,

let's get the FP three and customers hands.

That's awesome.

Then we'll worry about the FP one,

but we know we have those kind of the next thing in line.

And then there's, there's a lot of options.

If we have that, the kind of manufacturing capacity

to be able to create products like this,

that ends up opening up a lot of options.

Like there's so many areas in the market where people,

a lot of it just comes down to where it's corporate,

a lot of corporate just,

I don't want to say bureaucracy,

they got to get in the way of figuring out

what actually people want.

And I mean, there's a lot of still good great car manufacturers

and a lot of people that care a lot in the industry

and are trying really hard.

But I think there's a lot of areas

that people may be overlooking

where people really would be excited to have.

I mean, just so many different things.

I mean, just off-road cars,

that could be street legal too.

That can be kind of like incredible overlanding vehicles.

Like there's a lot of so many different options in the future.

That's five, 10 years down the line.

But starting there and then just kind of turning it

into a brand that just creates really cool vehicles.

Yeah, smaller market cool vehicles that people really want.

Caleb, what you said resonated with me.

I'm sure it did all of our listeners and viewers as well.

You want to make like when someone's thinking,

what's the ultimate driver's car?

Now it's like, oh, it's a McLaren 720 here.

It's a Ferrari speciale.

It's a bup, bup, bup, bup, bup, bup, bup, all the things.

I mean, the basics of Miata is like people love me.

Miatas are awesome driver cars.

Sure are. Yep. I have one.

Yeah, they're great cars.

But the ultimate driver's car is perhaps what you've created.

Because it's more exotic in a lot of ways

than the existing sort of exoskeleton type beasties

that are out there now.

Because it's definitely made true to the original ethos

of a true formula car,

which is what everyone always has wanted anyway.

I mean, this is something I'm genuinely excited about.

You're an executor.

You're an operator.

You're not just some guy that's sitting in his basement

or his garage and tickering around with his welder.

You're actually somebody who's scaled a business.

And that's what is generally speaking

is lacking in entrepreneurs like you.

And the automotive is they have great ideas

that they don't know how to execute

because actually building a business

is an enormous pain in the ass.

And then engineering, and then marketing,

and dealing with the customers.

Absolutely. And that's where my whole focus,

and you'll see on the website with the about page,

our whole focus is execution for like, okay,

how can we deliver?

Like, the idea is great.

But like the whole thing now is delivering cars

and delivering true on what we say.

And that's where all of my focus is on right now

is trying to get those initial cars to customers.

And especially those early access ones as fast as we can.

Build the product.

Right now we're building the next production model beta.

So that one beforehand was again,

that we built that over the past seven years.

So and that one again,

used a lot of kind of some body panels from F 1000s

and some miscellaneous parts from here and there.

And then a lot of custom parts.

This one, it's all right, cool.

Now we know that we'd be able to test with that.

Now we get to create the entire production model beta car

from scratch.

And that's what we're working on now.

And I'm excited to have that.

And I'm seeing able to do even more testing,

even more videos, hire on more,

like kind of fill up the crew with more content,

crew in spand or engineering team.

That's where I'm really excited for.

And a lot of that comes down to, okay,

let's see these purators.

Let's see the demand we get.

And then we'll make it happen.

It's going to be extraordinary.

That's it's it's going to be extraordinary.

It'll be overwhelming in a good way for sure.

You can handle it.

I'm ready.

I mean, again, whether we get 10 pre-orders

or 100,000 pre-orders, we're making this car.

Yeah.

So listen, guys, you're going to want to expect this.

You're going to want to go to his website.

You're going to learn it's $100 to get a pre-order.

Of course, you're going to do that.

The links are down below in the show description.

If you're on YouTube, the links are there.

As he progresses with his marketing and whatnot,

I'll update the links for this show.

So you guys will know whether you're watching this

in January, whether you're watching this in June.

You're still going to have the freshest links.

So click down below and get all the information.

And Caleb, on behalf of all of us car nerds who've and I'm so it's a

when you execute on this, it's not enough.

When you actually start doing customer deliveries,

I plan on being one of your founders and you'll know it's me

because my wife will be somewhere standing behind me

with a really pissed off look on her face.

But that's fine.

That's fair.

Let's say you can't want them all.

You're married.

You have kids.

You understand.

So we're going to want them all.

We're going to sign up for one of the founders editions

and we're going to have a,

we're going to call it the full throttle talk edition.

That's what we'll do in order.

Very cool.

I'm excited to see it.

Yeah.

People are going to go crazy for this.

So guys, listen, the links are down below.

Hopefully you're as excited about this as I am.

Everyone has been waiting around in the car worlds

for something truly exceptional, truly exciting,

not just another also ran.

This guy delivered it.

So thank you on behalf of all of us car nerds out there.

I certainly appreciate it.

I appreciate that.

And again, it's so, it's so good to hear the excitement

that the community's had around it.

It just makes me show, okay, cool.

This is what people want.

It comes from an idea of being like, yeah, now we,

we know we have the info.

People love it.

People want it.

So I appreciate that.

So thank you for listening, everyone.

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