Turn Off the Data and Drive

Hello, and welcome to another episode of the Evans Podcast.

I'm Dan.

Hello.

I'm Nicholas, and you're Dan.

And you're listening to Smooth Evans Listening, Heroin 101.4.

Well, I didn't get what I wanted for Christmas.

I mean, you know, there was no GT3 under the tree, but then again, nobody in my family

owns a daycare.

So, you know, if, you know, not a lot of money and honest work these days.

I'll tell you, I'll tell you, but it was a good holiday season.

Finally, got my Morph late.

I got one that worked.

Thank you, Mom.

Nice.

So, onto that.

Yeah.

How are things in your world?

It's nice down here.

It's been cold, but it's been beautiful, went for a nice long walk at the park today.

I did a little exploring over the last week, board driving, not as much off-roading as

I wanted to.

The weather kind of has hit and miss in the wet, but that's okay.

I'm totally fine with that.

That's a Bronco adventure versus a 150 adventure these days, but it's good down here.

I don't want to come back.

I really don't want to come back.

I know this isn't the place I want to live anymore.

Just being here for a month, this is kind of why I was down here to figure out where I wanted

to be sometime in the future when retirement or later, but I think it's, it's leaning me

more towards Arizona at this point.

I love it here.

Interesting.

But it's cold, which is not the problem.

It's a tourist town.

At the end of the day, St. George Hurricane, it's still a tourist-based industry.

And so you get sort of limited, I have to say it, if you ever lived in a tourist

town, you'll know, or if you've ever been in a lot of tourist towns.

Yes.

We live in Snoqualmie, Twin Peaks Heaven.

Are you kidding me?

Yeah.

But I mean, the most of the industry, the people that work in Snoqualmie don't actually

work in Snoqualmie.

They live in the east side, you know, and they commute from Snoqualmie like me.

Versus here, almost everything is tourist-driven.

And even I'm annoyed with tourists having been here my whole life, not here,

but I mean like, you know, when you're in a tourist town, tourists are annoying,

even if you're one of them, just accept it.

And so, let me say it, it's when we saw that what we saw here during the week of

Christmas is all those tourists flooded a town and it changed pretty dramatically.

Not, not like a terrible way.

Like things are still nice here and everything like that.

It's a great place, but it's not for us.

It's not for me.

It's not where I think I want to be later.

And I think I want to be somewhat, I'm leaning back towards that Arizona area

for the infrastructure.

I still want to be in the outskirts of town.

I still want to be like, you know, Cave Creek, Upper Mesa, somewhere out toward

the hills, not like directly in town.

But, you know, there's just things you can't get here at the convenience level.

And I'm used to that convenience being in that Snoqualmie area, like, you know,

Amazon's a day away.

If I wanted something really bad enough, I could just drive into Bellevue and get it.

That's not the case here.

If I want to drive, if I want something really bad, it's drive to Vegas and get it.

Which is hour and a half, bare minimum.

It's actually from Hurricane.

It's like an hour and 45, two hour drive there.

And it's a long drive.

It's a very long distance, just a high speed limit, which is why it's two hours.

Otherwise it would be, you know, two hours and 25 minutes, two and a half hours.

Um, so there's just things like that.

Um, and like, I, I like all of the things to do around here, but I

can still do all those things and be there and have those conveniences.

So I think that's where my head's at right now.

And I would be loved to be a little warmer in the winter.

I think that's more the main thing is I want to go to a place where I'm

getting away for the winter to somewhere warm.

And this is getting, even though it's sunny and beautiful here, it's very windy

and it's very cold.

And so that sort of limits things.

And I could still do the drives I want to do from there.

So I think that's where I'm, my head's at.

I don't know for sure yet.

I'm still figuring it out, but I have more than enough time.

This is more a planning for the future run.

Where do I want to be down the road?

And I think anybody who moves here would probably love it here.

If they know what they're getting into, uh, it's, but it's more of that.

You know, you're going to come out, like retiring here, probably

would be pretty nice.

I don't know if I want to live and work here is the thing as things slow down

for me.

Yeah, that might change, but right now it's still, I got another 10, 12 years

of go, go, go.

If I play my cards, right?

Hopefully 10, but we'll see with the economy or anything else, but like

there's the example, there's not an Audi dealer here.

There's not a Lexus dealer here.

Those are all Vegas.

And I don't really want to go to Vegas to get my services done or to

get the things I need.

Cause Vegas is one of the places that I just don't like coming to Vegas

is not my scene.

I know a lot of people love it.

And that's their thing.

And that's, it's great.

If that's your thing, great, but Vegas is not mine at all.

Vegas is the pinnacle of what is not Dan Vegas.

That is not the place I want to be at a halt in any way shape or form.

So even like the idea of like, oh, we have to go to Vegas to get

something kind of kills the idea for me.

Cause the next thing is like Salt Lake city, go there.

That's five hours north or go down to Phoenix six hours south.

You know, even Moab sort of would be more appealing to

screen junctions about the same distance.

And even though there's not an international airport there,

like there isn't Vegas, like, uh, it's just, I said, this place,

there's construction everywhere.

It's blowing up.

I don't know how sustainable it is.

Well, we, I mean, they've already mentioned the water issues there.

The water issues aside, but I don't know what other people are going to do.

You can't go a block here without seeing some new development coming in.

Like the explosive growth here is hard to put into words until you're here.

Like literally everything is being developed.

Any usable space that's not a solid rock is going to have houses on it here.

It's insane to see the growth, but who's buying it?

There's no work here as besides building what's here.

Like if you work here, you're working on building here.

You're building some kind of tourist industry or work.

You're building a new restaurant.

You're working in a car dealership maybe, but almost everything else,

like there's no businesses here that aren't specifically around leisure activities.

So I'm sure some people listening to this are thinking like, that sounds pretty

ideal actually, there's so much to do around where you are.

And they're right.

Like everything's Zion 35, 40 minutes away.

You know, you can, if you want to hike, if like your idea of having a good time

is going bicycling, motorcycling and hiking, this is probably going to be your

heaven, but it's going to be the same thing everywhere you go.

But that's it.

Like you're not going to go do other stuff.

So I don't know.

I think, I think what I'm getting at is I don't know how it works with work.

If I was a hundred percent remote again, that might be a different story, but

I don't know what else I would do here.

Like, I don't know how you could make, I mean, I don't want to get into the

tourist industry, I guess.

And so if I was going to reinvent myself later, that is not what I would choose to do.

So I think it might be more of a long-term growth thing.

I could see myself coming back here.

I'm sure I will come back here as a tourist and being one of those people

that annoy me, but I don't know if it's where I'd want to live.

I mean, really your only other options is healthcare in a place like that.

Cause the, you know, the tourism like it is and people living there,

you're going to need healthcare.

But that's, that's even, I can speak for Kate on that one.

You don't want to get into that.

So yeah, the American healthcare system.

It's the pinnacle of, you know, efficiency and organization.

No, that would be, I don't know if I could stomach that.

I mean, that, you know, we, we've all talked about it as a group

and you and I have talked about it.

And that, that, that analysis will be interesting.

You and I and, and, and Chana and Kate will have to have a conversation

because Kate was really looking forward to hearing your opinion and trusting it.

So, you know, we'll have to see.

Cause I mean, I think she would move to, to Arizona tomorrow.

Yeah.

I really see the appeal.

Like when, you know, cause I've been there so many times.

Yeah, but that's the thing is like the heat is well, when it's dry,

but like I've said before, it's nine months of amazing usable weather.

You can do anything you want.

Three months where you pretty much want to stay indoors.

Uh, it'd be good.

It's just too hot, but AC works and three months is pretty easy.

It's, I don't know.

I'm looking at dual living there and living it and back in Washington.

So three months of the year, those are the times I want to be back in Washington

cause Washington is in my opinion still probably the most beautiful state to

have a summer in.

If you can get the nice weather, like it's just incredible and hard to argue

with being all over the world.

I still think Washington is one of those beautiful places that exists.

I just don't want to live there and keep paying the insane taxes.

They keep that.

Yeah.

Interesting.

Yeah.

It's been an interesting experience.

Less taxes we pay the more, more, more cars we can buy.

Exactly.

More cars, more bikes.

And I don't have to start selling drugs after my ski, my snowboarding career fails.

You know, I, I mean, uh, I guess, you know, when, when somebody probably looked,

what is his name, that's been big news.

Ryan wedding is the, and I'm sure somebody looked at Ryan and said,

what are you going to do after you were an athlete?

And Ryan kind of had it figured out that he was going to be a,

not a drug dealer, but a drug kingpin.

Um, if you haven't been following the story, he was a, an Olympic snow

boarder that didn't do real well for Canada, which is weird when you're a Canadian

athlete that doesn't do well in winter sports.

But, um, he kind of turned to the dark side.

The biggest news that's made national news from people outside the car

communities is the, the FBI.

Now who confiscated, they confiscated his like $12 million.

Mercedes Benz CLK road, but it was a roadster.

It's a CLK GTR roadster.

One of six.

Yeah.

It's worth.

Yeah.

It's one of the rarest.

You're in Dubai or a shot, you know, not a shot.

Which is where it came from.

It came from some Middle East royal family, like everything else.

So there's a funny story about that car, the car itself.

So this car came to Canada supposedly to go to Drake and Drake sort of basically

no showed on buying the car.

I don't know what the whole story is there.

And then, and like, as you do with money laundering, you

buy things like art and expensive cars and overpay for them.

And so his, he has like three money handlers, apparently his wife is one of them.

And they bought the car in their name.

But if you funnel the cash back, it goes back to Ryan.

And so we're bringing this, this is, this came out like early December.

And then like that was like the first tipoff is people

started following the money, the car was the first like major

repossession to get the news.

And then just a few days ago, they did a huge bust with the Mexican authorities.

And which is where obviously he's involved with the cartels down there.

They were pulled out, I think almost $40 million in race bikes, race motorcycles,

like historic racing motorcycles, vintage MotoGP bikes, Ducates,

Norton's matchlesses, like the real, real rare stuff, this massive collection.

The photos of it are pretty insane.

I saw a lot of it, but I didn't, I don't have enough knowledge in, in, in GP

to know who a lot of these people, I do some of them, but some of them are

very iconic, like, like bikes that should be in museums and things like that.

Correct?

Yeah.

All of these.

So it's been interesting to see that unfold.

I want to see more about, I'm curious to see if, and when they ever

catch this guy or could just disappear under plastic surgery or something.

But yeah, it's a, it was a huge motorcycle bus or collections.

I was trying to find more details on it right here.

So it's been on, if you do a search for Ryan Wedding and motorcycles,

you'll see the photos of it.

A bunch of these, like Dino Rossi bikes, like Dino Rossi bikes, 500

CC MotoGP bikes.

This is like the who's of whose motorcycles.

I don't even know how he got his hands on some of these, but with

enough money, get your hands on anything, right?

Well, obviously he was having other people buy these things when they went

up for auctions and things like that.

Or yeah, yeah.

His, his, it's just, it's all money laundering so that he's buying

these things, aliases are buying these things for him, but it's

just crazy, the bikes in this collection.

I wish, I hope these go go to some like museum or get, you know,

something happens to them that doesn't get them left to dust and destroyed.

Excuse me.

I feel like whoever confiscated those bikes, be it the Mexican

government, the American government is going to want some money back.

And so there, those will probably go up to auction.

I would, I would expect to see those start to go to big auctions,

like the Barry Jansons, the Meekums, the, the Sotheby's and things

like that throughout the world.

Yeah, I'm somewhat worried about what'll happen to them in the

hands of government who doesn't know anything about anything, but

hopefully they'll get somebody in here who's got their head out of

their ass and can actually do something with these because it

would be a huge loss historically to see all these things go away.

There's some good art too.

I sort of laughed.

One of them was, what is that?

Rocco's modern life.

Remember that show?

Yeah.

The animated show.

One of them is like art from that guy who drew the show.

Interesting.

There's some pretty funny stuff in there.

He's got an eccentric art collection.

Yeah, it makes you wonder where he is, but you're right.

He could have a new face by now.

Yeah.

I mean, if you want to disappear and you got enough money, you

can do that.

Obviously, nobody's getting in trouble for if you're rich

enough these days.

Yeah.

So it's a cool story though.

And it's, I'm curious, I'm curious to watch it, how it

comes out.

It's always interesting to see how people, how really filthy

rich criminals use their money.

It's always fascinating to me to see how it gets spent.

Well, I mean, the key to us knowledgeable people that

are into the drug industry is if you drive something flashy,

it's going to attract attention.

Then people are going to start inquiring about you.

And then that can be your downfall, you know, the more

people that know what you do, the less, you know, I mean,

have you not seen Breaking Bad?

That's when it started going bad.

When he bought, you know, the cars for him and his son

and threw the pizzas on the roof.

It all went downhill from there.

That is correct.

Don't throw pizzas on your roof, don't buy fancy cars.

Exactly.

I mean, it'll be interesting to kind of see how that goes,

because obviously there's more out there.

I mean, if they found the cars, they found the bikes,

they're going to, if there's other things that will

start leading to them and then, you know, the

inevitable people will start tattling on him and

where, where his things are and where his, where he.

Yep.

Yeah.

Um, shall we do a Carter tip?

I've got one.

Yeah.

Unless you have one.

No, I don't.

All right.

It's New Year's Eve.

I'm barely awake.

No.

No kidding.

So this, this Carter tip of the week is about

coasting downhill in neutral.

Um, and why you shouldn't, even though it's an old

habit, people have done, it's a terrible idea.

Especially everybody knows it.

The funny thing is that it usually doesn't, it

uses basically the exact same amount of fuel.

It's engine braking.

The offset of engine braking is it's basically

using your brakes more uses more uses fuel.

So an engine braking efficient causes you to

use your brakes more efficiently to leave

beginning gear, let him engine braking work

actually is, is better for your car.

It's actually even illegal in a lot of states.

And it also uses a lot more wear on your brakes.

Because well, yeah, because the brakes are

bringing the whole way to the car down instead

of having the engine brake.

Yeah.

And then so, and it's even a, it's a safety

concern because there's so much more wear on

your brakes that it's, you can seriously

overheat your brakes.

That's the biggest.

You can seriously overheat your brakes and

cause them to literally boil your fluid and

fail on a heavy vehicle, especially if

you're towing.

This is a, this is a terrible idea for towing.

You will, it's very dangerous to not use

engine braking while towing, even on a car

that's not a diesel or whatever you want to

use your engine braking.

And then if you shift your car in back from

neutral into gear, it causes severe wear on

the drivetrain because you've got, your

engine has to mesh that.

So it's just like, think of it like dropping

your clutch.

It's the exact same thing, but you've got

under all that load plus the weight, the

gravity to say it's going to, it's even

worse than dropping your clutch.

It's going to seriously smoke your clutch.

So, and if you have to do an emergency

maneuver downhill, something runs out in front

of you, if the emergency stop, you're just

more than tripled your braking distance on

average.

It's a, that's what they say is it's

apparently it can almost triple your

braking distance if your brakes can fully

engage.

So it's that big of a deal.

Oh, and worst of all, most cars today, if

you caused a fatality accident, they're

most almost every car today has a black

box.

Just keeping that out there.

We want to remind people of that, that

black box is there.

You're not as safe as you used to be.

If you don't want that, get an old car.

But just so you know, these little

things can do what can screw you and

your insurance absolutely will do

something terrible that causes a

fatality.

So, you know, it's funny you bring that

up. I was watching a case of that kid

in Florida who got a new Mustang and

ended up, he was drag racing and

killed and they proved he was

saying he was in it.

He was, he was young and stupid.

And they went back into the, the

black box in his Mustang and said,

well, over the past week, you've done

162, 150, they pulled up all the

speed.

And I didn't even know that was a

thing.

That was, I mean, it makes sense.

And I don't think there's any way

to go around that, but it's always

logging that I knew that, you

know, with, with, with the insurance

companies and they can, they can

track your, your, you know, your

phones and stuff like that and figure

out, you know, but I wasn't aware

that the cars were tracking

everything.

Yeah, in fact, there's a new

California law, we should talk about

going to fact, where if you go over

100 miles an hour, you can lose your

license immediately if they pull

you over going over 100 miles per

hour.

But there's also a new thing where

they're testing, automating,

basically checking your speed based

on your cell phone from tower to

tower.

And so, I mean, you've got so

many ways to monitor you in your

car all the time, the black box is

the least of your concerns because

your phone has, as you all know

for electronics, or you should know

by now because, you know, at the

Stone Age, electronics have a very

good digital marker called a MAC

address. And it is unique to your

device. It's also, it's in your phone,

your phone has that, your car

probably has that built in if it's

got anything online. So there's a

lot of ways to track your

information, how fast you were

going, that black box in your car

is going to tell you them

everything you need to know. In

fact, Porsche owners will know

this, you can track how many, you

can track your over revs in a

Porsche, like if you bounce off the

rev limiter, it'll track until

the next owner even it's like

that information isn't hard to find.

You can actually get all that

data from your car from Porsche

and the next owner can look at it

and see how the car was driven.

It can detrimentally impact the

value in fact. So things to

know, manual car owners, you might

want to think about this as well.

We were just talking about this

earlier, you know, we're actually

Nick and I were talking about this

earlier, we're going to talk about

some things coming up, but manual

transmissions are great. But as

all that data becomes available,

if you're not a very good

manual transmission driver, it's

going to be able to log and be

like, hey, this guy doesn't know

how to rev matches downshifts

and he pings the rev limiter all

the time because he doesn't know

how to use the clutch and those

things are going to become more and

more available, which is, I don't

know, I don't know how I feel about

that, how that data being available.

I don't like big brother.

Granny shift in instead of double

clutching. No, yeah, yeah, those

guys, those guys.

I just I didn't I wasn't aware

that I knew that there was way to

track us track things and things

and things like that. But I'm

just coming from an old school

person that, you know, when we

were caught speeding, you were

caught by a radar gun. But now

it seems like there's so much,

like you said, data that's being

collected on you on a minute

by minute basis that it's, you

know, I don't I don't could your

insurance company go back and grab

that? Like if I get a speeding

ticket, do they have access to

that without me allowing them to

have access to that?

So chances are, depending on who

your insurance is, you may already

have granted them access by just

assigning your policy. That's

worth checking. I know that with

all state, for example, that they

have if you've signed up anything

for their drive wise apps, if you

have ever if you ever have a

company that has a drive wise

app or some of whatever version

of an app they have, if you've

allowed them because you want to

discounted rate, they're going to

tell you right on the report,

you were going too fast, you were

going too fast, you break too

hard, you're there monitoring

your driving habits all the time

by checking on that nice fancy

G meter that's in your phone is

going to tell them everything they

need to know along with GPS,

like all that data is in your

phone, it's all available to them

all the time and it won't be

very long, it'll be well

within probably the next few

years that your insurance was

automatically cancel you because

of the data you've allowed them

to collect. I think there'll be

some laws that will probably

come into play either for or

against us, probably against us

because money that will allow

them to collect that data, whether

we want them to or not. This

is a great reason to buy an old

car.

Well, that's the reason I've

stayed away from like the

companies that have like the

little things where they plug

them into the OBT OB two

parts. And I'm with

Geico and they have wanted me

to do a bunch of stuff and I've

always said no and I've paid a

higher rate. But it's I don't

you know, I'm not exactly doing

stupid stuff, you know, in the

truck. I definitely wouldn't do

that if I was giving access

to any other car that I've

owned. Yeah, but that's the

thing though, it's like the OBD

two stuff, it doesn't really

matter anymore. All the same

data can be had in your phone,

especially with connected car

apps. I mean, all that data

would probably be really,

really easy to find, especially

if you've already plugged into

car play, you know, Android

auto, like it's already tracking

your trips. It's like, Hey, I

beat, you know, the fun game we

all like to play it'll take an

hour and 40 minutes to get

there. It only took me an hour

and 25. How did you do that?

Traffic was green. No traffic.

It was downhill and I was in

neutral. That's right. So

totally just I know it's

funny how much this stuff

used to be sound like paranoid

tinfoil hat big brother stuff.

And it's totally true. It's

totally true. Yeah.

So speaking of lying to

customers, it seems that

Corvette is lying to their

customers that they're their new

art zero one has more horsepower

than they're reporting, which

by the way is not unusual car

companies do it all the time.

I think that Corvette

officially is saying it's got

1051 horsepower and

Hennessy put it on it on a

dyno and it was a broken in

car and came up with like

what they say 1150.

So an extra 100 horsepower,

which doesn't surprise me for

stock. Yeah.

Let's see here. And then I

think Hennessy got it for 1150.

So it's still close to 100

more, even with

the law, the 10% loss

to the drivetrain. But this

is not a new thing.

We've seen it in the car

community a ton where something

will be reported. Ironically,

for insurance purposes, the

car doesn't have as much

horsepower as it is coming

from the factory.

You know, we've talked about

a ton. And as

as part of this, you know, when

you look at the new Corvettes,

the new Mustangs, the GTDs,

which by the way, Ford has

delivered more GTDs this year

than Bugatti and Bugatti

and Remac combined, which is

interesting because those are

pretty high end cars and that

that many people are buying

them. We're watching this

horsepower race now in the

United States between Corvette

and the Mustang again, which

is really fun. And I

don't I can't imagine what

the insurance rates are to put

one of those for insurance.

But it's kind of neat to see

this again. I mean, this is

this kind of reminds me of the

late 90s, early 90s, was what

we had with like Camaro

and and Mustang and Corvette.

Yeah. And so, yeah, 1,050

to the wheels on a car rated

for 1,064 at the crank, that's

either the world's most

amazing lack of parasitic,

you know, lots from the

drivetrain or yeah, exactly

like you said, they're sand

begging their numbers, which

great, I guess it explains

why the zero one is so damn

fast at everything. I mean,

we talked about it just the

last episode, it's basically

killing everything. Like nothing

is touching the zero one zero

one X is even out yet. But

other good news from Corvette

which I think is going to

really blow things away is

there's really, really strong

evidence that they're they

are coming out with a grand

sport, which will be a

manual transmission with an

LT six. Now the LT six is

going to be slightly less

horsepower than the zero six.

I think it's supposedly rated

for like 525, but it made

out put down more torque.

But the grand sport has always

been, in my opinion, the best

street Corvette to buy, like

even even compared to my last

zero six, the grants were it

was much more usable and put

down more power you could use.

It had all the bodywork and

all the flair of the zero six,

but it was actually a more

usable car because the lack

of the supercharger you could

use all that power. The zero

six used to just, you know,

waste its rear tires. But I

think it'll be the driver's

car. It won't be as fast

because it's not going to have

to do if it with a manual

because it won't have the DCT

that you can't outshift the

dual-clutch transmission period.

Nobody's that fast period,

but it could be way more fun

to drive.

I mean, and I think a lot of

people realize that the

grand sport hasn't been

around since, you know,

because when they when they

brought out the new Corvette,

it was stingray. It wasn't

they didn't bring up a

grand sport version of that.

And I remember, you know,

like you said, you get all

the looks and I mean,

that's one of the things I

love about a certain grand

sport owner and, you know, his

bright yellow car in this group

and the fact of you get all

the looks and you get a little

less power, but it's more

maintainable. So that'll be

interesting. I'd like to see.

I mean, I got into the weeds

when Dan and I were talking

about this. I was like, is the

interior of that car set up

for a manual? Because with

that whole waterfall, but I

forgot that they changed the

interior. So yeah, for 26,

they removed the waterfall

and it's just it's all the

buttons are physically below

the display. It's a good

move. I like the waterfall.

It was very functional.

So I don't think it was a

poorly designed thing at all.

It's actually really nice to

have at your fingertips. But

the I can see the

natural progression of where

they're going now and why

they did that. It's like, ah,

this all makes sense. This is

why you move the controls.

So now this could open the

door for manual transmissions

and other cars that people

wanted them. I don't think

it'll be necessary. I think

it will make a unique car

though, for sure, a mid

engine manual car. If you

watched, was it the

I was watching throttle house

tested a the guys out of

Canada, they tested the

zero the zero six against

basically everything. And it

it was the new fastest car

for them, even the GT3 RS.

It was the fastest car they

had ever tested, even more

than the BAC mono on their

track was saying a whole

hell of a lot. Yeah, if

you can get a GT3 GT3 RS

on the track, you're

going fast period. They're

going really, really, really

fast. So adding a manual

to the mix man like it

really knocked out of the

park and Corvette's always

been we've always been fans

of Corvette's for what they

are. We've never wanted to

be Corvette owners. It's

always been the argument.

But I'm I'm really

impressed with Chevy and

they keep being impressive.

It's really just a great

bargain of a car. I I

wouldn't look at a zero six

this week, actually, not

to buy just for fun. We

were driving by Chevy

dealership and I was

like, let's go take a

look at one. Shana really

wants a zero one X for

her next car. And so it's

like, let's go look the

interior is going to be

similar. Let's see how to see

how you fit in it. See if

you even like it at all. And

she was shocked at how nice

it was inside how well the

seats fit how well the

interior was laid out. She's

like, man, this is a perfect

cockpit. She just she fell

in love with it immediately

shouldn't want to she hates

Corvette's from the idea

of being a Corvette

can't stand it. We watch

some videos online. And of

course, it's I'm just

going to say the quiet

part out loud. It's always

some big dude who barely

fits in the car who's

like wearing flip flops and

jorts and or, you know, shit

that doesn't fit and just

like, they're shoehorned

in there and that you're just

like, I don't want to be with

this owner's group, but the

car is so good.

Don't forget the three

button shirt with multiple

Corvette symbols and

different colors all around

it. Yeah, right. And the

stereotypes are so

painfully true. Like you

and I have been to the

meat. It's just like, I

don't want this. Where's

my sandwich board? You know,

so you can put up next

to my car so I can say

it's one of three in

this color because nobody

else was stupid enough to

configure this like I

did. Yeah, it's just it's

a sin to be a Corvette

owner. And yet I love them

so much and I will probably

have a third one.

I think there's any anything

better than talking to

somebody about their Corvette

and that has done so much

research in the fact that at

the end of the day and so

many times I've heard people

talk about their cars and I

always love listening to

the specs. But it comes

down to the one thing

where it's like it's the

same. It's the same as the

same, but you don't

understand. It's one of two

made in this color on

this day. It comes down to

the day, which I think

is great. We make fun of

it. Corvette owners make

fun of themselves. So it's

not yes, we're not insulting

anybody here. Like I said,

this is, you know, but and

everybody has a unique car.

And I mean, I love the

Corvette owning owners

community. They're they're

wonderful people just same

with the Mustang community.

Yeah, they're super

knowledgeable. Yeah. So it's

like, you can talk to GT

five owner GT 500 owners

and it's the same thing.

It's like, well, you

know that this convertible

was made on a half day

and so there's always

something, you know, kind of

unique about it. But I mean,

I think it's that the new

Corvette's a neat car. It

always has been since the

thing I came out. So I'd be

interested to see how it

works. And people figured

this out because there's

part lists or something.

How did how did this come

out? Yeah, so what they so

it's been a historically

reliable, very reliable

method of determining that

Corvette is the parts list

for the vehicle comes out

like your repair manual and

the parts catalog comes

out. And so dealers get

ahead of that or it gets

leaked early because it's not

as tightly controlled. And I

think some of this is

Corvette and Chevy

intentionally leaking the

stuff GM is like, let's just

let this out there and watch

and see how the hype goes

because if we let this go

before people start buying

them, we can see how people

react. And then we can

either, you know, change

our change our build

and say, okay, nobody was

really that excited. And we

can just say, nope, that

was never in the plans or

we can be like, oh, yeah,

people really want this

and we can start pumping

these out. And Chevy

being Chevy, they're going

to make a million of these

things like it. So what got

the conversation started

early this week is we were

watching I was watching

bring a trailer. I sent it

to you in the group chat. So

a 2024 zero six with 3,500

miles on it. And a zero

seven spec with, I mean,

carbon fiber wheels,

everything like the guy had

checked every box $180,000

MSRP car, 121,000

trailer still under warranty

barely driven $60,000

loss over a year and a half.

And for me, that's

fantastic because that's

that's a part of the second

owner. That's wonderful.

Yeah, I mean, and then

another one came up.

Zero seven package, almost

the exact same car 70th

anniversary special, you

know, every box check

almost exact same MSRP

119,000 huge losses

for the original owner. So

zero ones have fared quite

a bit better. But for those

of you looking for a quote

unquote bargain, $120,000

is still a buttload of money.

But for that kind of

performance GT3 RS level

performance in a car that is

going to cost you one fifth

to maintain. And it's

already bottoming out. You

could have the deal of the

century. And that's one

causing this. Is that

what's is that what's

causing it?

No, Chevy just makes way

too many cars zero six

isn't the big dog anymore

kind of thing. No, zero ones

always been the big dog.

No, but I'm saying they

didn't always make a they've

made zero ones. But it seems

like they're rolling them

out like zero six was last

year zero one we're going to

zero one X it's like it's

so quickly being rolled out

that our people buying zero

sixes to drive for a couple

of months while they wait

for their zero zero one

when they're zero one X

will come out. So that

obviously we're going to see

a ton of zero sixes and

zero ones on the market

for people that dumped

them.

Well, one this is probably

the most options we've

ever seen for Corvette we've

got the C8 the C8 Z 51

they're basically the same

car I know they're both but

anybody with a Z 51 I'll tell

you they have a Z 51 it's

like because it's got better

suspension and a few other

things. It is a nicer car

then you've got the the

e-ray that they you know

which is also probably a

better car for most people

the zero six which is

the powerhouse the flat

playing crank V8 that

everybody loves that you

hear it once and you're

like yep that's the one I

want. I've got the zero

one coming out and you have

zero one X coming out

and you've got this grand

sport coming out. So you

have essentially six or how

you look at it seven trim

lines and you've got these

cars they're not low number

cars. These aren't you know

they're not building it's

not a GTD where they get

how many like 3000 or

whatever who knows they'll

say they'll say 500 it'll

be 5000 but it'll be like

Corvette's not hiding the

numbers. There's thousands

and thousands and thousands of

these cars. There's also

tons of configuration

options. So you can have

$120,000 specs zero six or

you can have $180,000 spec

zero six. Well, guess what

those custom options aren't

going to aren't going to

lead to big resale numbers

as we've obviously shown.

So with all these options

out there and all these

price points, it's just

not if they're just not

holding the value because

there's just so many of

they're obtainable like

anybody can walk into a

dealership with money and

just buy one and they're

not and they're going to

buy one under MSRP right

now you can get 10,000

off a brand new one if

anybody else is looking

for a zero six for new

for some reason.

Okay, I'll play financial

advice once in my life.

Don't that's really stupid

when your car is worth

20% less the second you

roll out the door buying

cars news, not a great

idea in general, but

especially that.

But I mean, there's just

so many out there.

And Pete and as we've

said before, these cars

are expensive, really

expensive. There's not

a lot of buyers out there

who can be like, yeah,

I'm going to go buy a

$150,000 Corvette or

$150,000 anything for

that matter where we are.

We see a lot, but

even down here, I've seen

a couple. I've seen no

rights. I've seen no

Porsches. I've seen no

Lamborghinis, no Ferrari's.

They exist here, but they're

really rare. These cars

Northwest listeners, I think

just don't get it because

there's so many in a

VOTS. There's so many in

the Pacific Northwest because

there's so much tech money

there. There's so much in

California. There's so much

in Scottsdale.

These are like little

dots across the country

though. There's so many

people who just can't afford

these cars. And so they're

just sitting on lots.

The COVID pricing, I mean,

it's not sustainable. It never

was. And now we're seeing

even more of that. Cars

cars are really expensive now

and people aren't making as

much as they. We haven't

caught up with inflation.

Inflation has come down

quite a bit, but we're

still not. I mean, 200, if

you're making $200,000 a

year like with this one

perspective, you're making

a shitload of money. You

still don't make enough to

go out and buy a $150,000

car. And so you spent your

money well, but that's

insane. It's just

not an afford a house. I

mean, maybe you don't have

kids and you have no

responsibilities. I could

spend your money, but I'm

telling you, I will tell

you, I don't think that's a

very smart investment.

Also, as I'm just looking

at this and kind of getting

myself updated on the new

Grand Sport, it looks like

GM is already deleting stuff

off the off the book that

they took off the LS6

already.

Yeah. And I said part of

me thinks this is a big

company with big budgets

and people that are really

smart in marketing. I still

think this was a very sly

intentional drop from GM

to be like, uh-huh, you

know, yeah, people want

we'll have to see what comes

out at the end. But I think

it's I think you're right.

I think that stuff dropped

and then people went, oh, we

want this. We don't want

that. And all of a sudden

the engine is not there.

Will it be back? Who knows?

Yeah. But I mean, Tremac

was the big one. That

Tremac was the first

the first leak. Tremac

being the famous

manufacturer of really great

transmissions for tons of cars.

They dropped the fact that

they now had a manual

transmission that mates up to

the GM platform. So

who knows? I hope I would

love to see a manual for that

again. That would be a really

cool twist because there are

no manual mid-engine cars,

not one not a single manual

mid-engine car in the market

exists. There's well, let

me take that back. There are

no American cars.

The Lotus Amira

is I think the only car

that exists in a manual

that in a mid-engine

configuration.

There will never be a prettier

setup than the

Spiker. Yeah. Speaking

of manual mid-engine, but

yeah. Beautiful manual.

Yeah. Yeah.

Anyway. More manual cars,

please. That's what we want.

I mean, yeah. Hashtag

save the manuals. That's

what the shirts say.

So you have to see it.

Yeah. It's almost a brand

new year. Who knows what

we're going to get?

Obviously, coming into the

new year, we're going to

see a lot of stuff that's

going to be coming out.

You know, a lot of things

will be coming out of their

camo, a lot of the Italian

cars. I mean, Ferrari's

dropping cars like they're

having triplets every day.

So who knows what's next

coming out of them?

I will be honest, I'm not a

hundred percent a fan of some

of the new stuff, like the

new Testerosa's not really

doesn't take on my fancy.

The 296 speciale really

I like. Obviously, it's

easy to like when you have

nowhere near the money to

even look at it.

But yeah, I think

that this next year is

going to be a pretty, I

think we're going to see

some toss-ups in the

world. Obviously, a lot of

the electric electric stuff

is kind of going away.

Ford is if you don't know

it, like we said last time,

the lightning is gone, but

they are sticking with car

play, even though nobody else

is, which is interesting.

Thanks for it.

I mean, if Ford liked to

get rid of that, again, I

have complained if they

want to get rid of their

lane assist or change that,

I'm fine with that.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, I so I'm going

to backtrack on something I

said a while back, because

I was thinking about this

more about the car play

thing. So I think this

when I think is a wrong

move for car manufacturers

to do this, it's one of

those things that if they

all get on board with each

other and say, we're all

dropping it, this is good

for the consumer.

It's not good for the

convenience. It's good for

the consumer in the long

term, because Apple

notoriously charges a

buttload to use their

apps to car play

licensing. That cost is

too high. Cars are already

too expensive. If everybody

drops it, the car play

market isn't going to go

away. What's going to

happen is the car play

market will adjust. Apple

has the ability to adjust

as they have the money. It's

not going to kill Apple. But

if nobody's got you installing

car play in their cars, Apple

is going to have a serious

problem on its hands, like a

real real problem. If it is

a specialized thing to the

point of it could cripple

an entire part of Apple, at

least temporarily. So if it

takes the income, our

inconvenience for a couple

of years for all

manufacturers to say,

screw you Apple, get

your prices down, because

we're not going to pay

your, you know, your fee

than good. I want to see

that market become cheaper.

It won't. It's not going to

kill Apple. It'll just end up

better for us in the long

run. And like I said, Apple

notoriously takes way too

much for their ads. It's not

a secret. They have a really

nice platform. Obviously, we're

running iPhones here. I've

got tons of Apple stuff. I

think you're great. But, you

know, they've gotten a little

greedy to say the least. They

have been greedy for a very

long time. So it's nice to

get an example of this was

Bluetooth. Bluetooth was out

there and it was a stupid

expensive when it came

out and exactly. Yeah.

Now you can get it in

a dongle. Yeah. Now Bluetooth

dongles are three to four

dollars. Yeah. You just be

dongle like they are throw

away money. And that's kind

of the idea is like this

things are just getting too

expensive is what I'm getting

at. And this is a good way

to keep the cost down.

It's funny. Our good friends

at Griots have been doing

some great publicity

marketing videos with some

of their people walking around

the office and stuff like

that. And one of their their

high ups was they're like,

what would you like to see

changed? And I'm seeing it

in the community. She's

like, I want to see more

buttons, more dongles, more

not dongles, more switches,

things like that. Yes. I love

that. I love that. And I hope

car manufacturers we beat on

this subject. But I hope

that's something we're going

to see a lot more of in in

the coming years.

You and me both tactile

buttons. Screens are great.

But you know, I was talking

to somebody in a parking lot

here at Safeways had a

Bronco and he was talking

one of the things he loves

about. I was trying to get

into joint events, which I

think he's going to was the

fact that he loves the fact

that there's still a button on

the dashboard and with his

lockers and things like

that. So a pushable button.

Yep. Very positive

engagement buttons. Yeah.

Yeah, I think people are

going to that. I think the

screen thing has been a fad

for a very long time. It's

not going to age well, like

any screen in any car. If

you've looked at any any

cars that came out with

screens 20 years ago, they

were pretty awful. And then

of course, Ford ran with

those old haptic feedback

screens up until like 2021.

Like those screens are trash.

They're terrible to use.

These screens are not they're

going to be the same way.

Speaking of Oh, well, he has a

shelf life. They're going to

be extremely expensive to

replace. They're going to be

yeah, I'm that's going to

be a nasty market that the

Chinese are going to own

look how long Ford hung onto

the actual like physical

gauges in the in the trucks

like the actual. I mean, I

love the digital dashes. I

think that's put the money

into the digital dash and

think I'm fine with that.

But and I and I'm having a

screen for radio stuff like

that. But my heating

controls, my off road

controls, whatever you want to

call it. The Corvette, we

were talking about the

waterfall being gone. I mean,

physical buttons will

everybody still wants that

like you know, you don't

know how many times you've

been in the car and you've

hit something on your screen

you're like, did that

actually work? Did I turn on

my heat? Did I? Yeah,

yeah. Exactly. Have you been

following any of the stuff out

of China for the market they

have there? We talked about

this a little bit last

episode about the cars, the

cars. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That electric electric

gate. Well, mwkb or

whatever that he has one of

those Chinese Teslas as I

was calling it. It was

pretty good. Yeah. Him. Yeah.

Is Yami or Yami? I'm

never going to say it.

The cell phone company that's

making cars and doing a

really good job at it.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I'm

curious to see if American

manufacturers are going to

catch up in the next couple

years. Like I said, Ford

dropped it entirely. But I

have hoping my hope is that

they will take some of that

technology, especially for

the 2026 year. So what are

you looking forward to most

in 2026? That's not mine

but less debt. No. I you

know, I don't know. I

think you and I are very

rarely surprised by anything

because we spend so much time

trying to do, you know, for

this, the Corvette thing that

kind of that gets my blood

pumping. I'm looking for I'd

like to see some of this

stuff come through. They've

been talking about with

Trump's new talks about

having some smaller cars,

like some of the really

small little commuter cars,

the the K trucks. Give me

a Jimmy. Huh? Give me a

Jimmy. Absolutely. Absolutely.

I think I'm kind of

interested by that. I

think that's I'm in a

situation, I think in my

life where I want to have my

cake and eat it too. And I

would love to have like a

little commuter car. Like

the Raptor is great. And I

love it. But was it the

best choice for a daily

driver? No, I don't leave

the house a lot, but

still. But I would I'd

like to see that I'd like

to see some announcements

where I think that they

can take a lot of cars

from Europe and maybe make

that, you know, do some

crash testing and get them

over here. The Jimmy's

a perfect example. You

know, I was a big fan

of the Fiat 500 when

they introduced it. I

thought it was a really

cool brand and especially with

the Abarth and things

like that. I mean, it

works. I remember when they

introduced the smart cars

here and everybody was

parking them nose into the

curves because you didn't

have to parallel park

them. Things like that.

Yeah, that's funny. How

about you? For me, it's

the zero one X probably

just seeing that and

seeing what that does

to the just for the

numbers. It's one of those

things I don't hypercars

don't do it for me. I

think they're they're

cool for what they are

they're art more than

their vehicles to me,

but I have no interest

in owning one or

driving one extensively

except for the fact that

I want to appreciate the

craftsmanship that it

took to create it. Other

than that, I'm like, I

don't really I'm one of

those weird ones. I'm

like, I see a Pagani and

I'm like, okay, cool,

whatever. I don't get a

crap. They haven't

changed their design and

how many years and

it's just kind of a

status symbol more than

a car. That's not why

I own them. I'm curious

to see because of the

price point, a car, if

they can get a sub

$300,000 car that's

going to basically break

every lap record on

the planet. So they're

almost already doing with

the zero six anyway,

but just took zero one,

excuse me, it's taking

eight lap records. I'm

really curious to see

what the zero one X

will do with that next one.

And then the new

if that's going to mix

things up and the fact

that people are going to

go, why would I pay $500,000

for a Ferrari or a Porsche

when I can get this?

Yeah, I think

the same thing that has

always fought or has

sort of ruined the

Corvette brand is the

same thing that sort of

pushed back on the GTR

ownership isn't owning

both is that you still

have to go to a Chevy

dealer, you still have

to go to a Nissan

dealer and you get treated

like a Nissan customer and

a Chevrolet customer, even

if you pull in with a zero

one X. And if you have a

Porsche, for example, like

when I have a turbo s, you

walk in there, it's a very

different experience.

Even if you have a Cayman

or a Boxster or if you

have a like I did the

turbo s, like they pay

extra attention to you.

I don't mean me over

the other guy. I'm

saying it's a nicer

experience overall. The

dealerships are nicer.

It's a more premium

brand. It's a more premium

feel. You don't feel like

you're getting shoved

into the quick loop

lane with some kid who's

18 years old who finally

got his first job at a

dealership and no offense

to them good for them.

But like I don't want them

touching my $280,000

Corvette. I don't want them

touching my, you know, turbo

s. That's not what I want.

I want a little more hands

on. I want a little more

responsibility from the

dealership. And I didn't

get that at any Nissan

dealership at any

Chevrolet dealership.

In fact, I had my problems

with both, but I did it

Porsche and that's until

they can figure out that

which we've talked about.

No, I'm right because I've

talked to other owners.

This is the big problem

with these dealerships.

There is no, you're just

Joe Schmo who bought his

work truck in. Those

aren't the same experiences

and those require different

levels of attention

because the risk, the cost

of the mistake goes so much

higher. You get somebody

who doesn't know how to

handle carbon ceramic brakes,

for example, which is a

big deal even on like the

C seven, you get somebody

who, you know, just

doesn't know their way or

doesn't take as much time

to very cleanly reinstall

that faster under your car.

So they strip out the part

where the bolt goes in for

the underbody tray for a car

like that on a regular car

that could be a simple $5

to $10 mistake on a car

with a full carbon fiber

under tray and especially

pressed and fitting that

could be a $20,000 mistake

plus the ding on ding

on the repair on your vehicle

on your ownership record,

then you're calling your

lawyer for diminished value.

Those things are real problems.

Chevy GM, I should

say, Nissan, they

haven't figured this out

and it sucks because

they should they make amazing

cars, but it's it's not

a transfer that

doesn't translate well, I

should say to the customers.

You're still just to do it

with the GM.

You're still just to do with

the Chevy and that's

yeah, I was going to say

beyond that, you've got the

new the new Lexus

or Toyota, excuse me, the

500 and you've got Mazda

potentially coming out

with another rotary car.

As much as I think the

rotary is a terrible engine

for a car, I'm still

excited to see it.

I always want to be wrong

in these things.

I want to see something

unique and cool come out

and do well in the market.

Always I don't care what it

is or if it doesn't align

with what I want to buy.

I still want to see it.

I still love innovation.

I love seeing things

go out of the norm.

So hope they both do well.

One thing that I had several

questions about and we

haven't touched on just

because it's kind of it's

an ongoing thing is this

issue between the Hamilton

collection and Koenigsegg

and Christian von Koenigsegg.

And it has gotten worse

if you don't know if you

check it out.

Hamilton collection.

He has amazing cars.

He's had many Koenigseggs.

He had a yes go on order.

He had a

reguera that has had nothing

but problems.

He voiced those concerns.

Christian von Koenigsegg got

on. I mean, it's been

an interesting thing.

He got his reguera fixed

at the same day his

Jesko came in.

They both broke down

within like five minutes.

The Jesko came off the

plane. It broke down.

Reguera.

I'm interested just, you

know, not a lot of people

we know this because we've seen

it. When you're a hypercar

owner, you're really not

allowed to bitch and complain

about things about these

hypercars. And a lot goes

wrong. Pagani's, Ferrari's,

Koenigsegg. These cars have

a lot of issues because

they're there's not mass

produced. Now Koenigsegg, I

think, is has less issues

because Christian von Koenigsegg

is he's a meticulous.

But there's a reason why a

lot of these cars don't get

driven. And people go, well,

they're going to do in

value. It's true.

But also things break and

they in its very costly to

fix them. And sometimes you

have to ship them back.

Bugatti is the same way.

I'm interested to see how

this works. I'm hoping this

changes. I think the two

people involved with this

Christian von Koenigsegg and

the Hamilton collection are

both very intellectual people.

And I think they will come

to an agreement. And I

think the car community will

be better for it. It's sort

of a he said she said

mean girls thing right now.

But I'm interested to see

how this kind of plays out.

And I'm hoping it will be

better for the car community

and we will see better.

I know it sounds stupid.

I'd like to see these rich

bastards be able to drive their

cars. How's that?

I like people who I love

anybody who drives their car.

I don't care how they get their

money. I just like seeing the

cars get driven.

And so this is this is Steve

Hamilton.

Steve Hamilton. I don't know.

I don't know much about him

except for he owns that wheel

company. Yeah.

Well, there's a bunch of

subsidiaries underneath that

and he's and he has come

from nothing and created that.

So yeah, I like the fact

that his channel, all the

money goes back to it

helping kids and things like

that they don't make money

off the channel allegedly.

I don't I have, you know, but

he shares his he shares his

cars with the community and

he's he's the guys that a lot

of like a lot of people around

here at Exotics, you know,

they're letting kids sit in

their cars and stuff like that

and sharing that experience,

which I like.

I like that that people are

doing that.

Yeah, see, I know I know he

didn't come from money.

There's a there's a story I

remember reading my head about

how like his first job was

at McDonald's at 14.

Like the dude is not a, you

know, and no shame if you got

your money from your parents,

they set you up great.

I don't care.

But this it's nice to see

somebody who actually came up

through the ranks and we all

love seeing the underdog went.

So good for him.

I'm I am disappointed that from

that from Koenigsegg,

you know, just being a fan of

Christian and his cars.

I hope they like you said, I

hope they get there be figured

out.

Anyway, I think I think a lot

of the issues with the Riger

have been solved with the

Yesco, but of all people to

deliver a car to and then

have an issue like moments

later, that's, you know,

it's you're getting into it

and it's it's not loss.

It's and stuff like that.

But it is a I will give them

this. If you don't know what

Christian von Koenigsegg looked

like, he looks like a white

Thanos and they took a picture

of him and turned him into

Thanos, which was really,

I think genius.

Well, that's funny.

It's so true.

But I'm hoping to see that

this will this will.

He's willing to speak up and

it's interesting because a lot

of other people that are owners

and of the Koenigseggs and

things like that are speaking

up through him because they're

still a little afraid of

repercussions, which this is

a thing. Like, I mean, you know,

Ferrari used to be that way.

You didn't. You didn't.

That's why Lamborghini exists.

We talk about it all the time

and the fact that Friduccio

Lamborghini told Enzo Ferrari

he didn't like his cars.

And he said, you know, go make

tractors. So.

You're not not really

allowed to.

How do I want to say this?

You're not allowed to condemn

the person you're buying the car

from, I guess.

Yeah, which is I don't know.

I've always been critical of the

cars I've owned, which is not

because I dislike them.

It's just it's

not how I say it.

You need to be vocal about those

things so they can improve them.

Yes, I'm not like I've had

problems with.

I think let's see.

I don't think of a car I've owned

that didn't give me any issues.

I don't think I've had any.

My C6 had the transmission

replaced under warranty for a

first second year Syncro,

which they took care of

really well. It took.

Two months because the

transmission was on backorder

and then they upordered to

a newer transmission from a

newer C6 or ZR1

actually, which is the better

transmission.

So that was a win for my favor.

I had the brake pad sensors

fail on my C.

You had that that front cooler

on the C7.

Yeah, it took a stone.

So I don't I don't fault Corvette

for that. I had a took a stone

to a what was it?

It wasn't it was a cooler, but

it wasn't for it wasn't for

it wasn't a radiator.

So I meant to say I think it

was the the air exchanger

for the supercharger cool.

OK, I can't remember which one

it was, but I had a really small

leak from that, but I had break

by a faulty brake pad sensor

on the C7 zero six and they

replaced both of the front ones

and the pads automatically

like they just put brand new ones

on there Chevy to get separate

that my Turbo S was in the shop

for a transmission control unit

failure that caused me to

put me into limp mode once

and left me stranded three times.

They eventually replaced basically

entire everything in the car.

Porsche took care of that as best

they could, but that was still a

major major problem with that car.

My C63 was an absolute nightmare.

That was the worst car I've ever owned,

but that was an issue.

I think it was more of an insurance

issue with the turbo with

your dad. Well, yeah, that was I got

it. Yeah, I had a stone or

something lodged between the rotor

and the caliper and destroy one

of the front rotors on the

on the 911 Turbo S.

That was that was bad.

That was it.

That was a almost $14,000

warranty repair and not warranty

but insurance claim.

I had to use it ended up being

a comprehensive claim.

Thank God it was COVID because

they refused to send anybody out

and just basically signed on the

dotted line. Yep.

Take care of it.

Talk to the dealer dealer said

something got caught in there and

blew your rotor out.

So they were like, yep, go for it.

Thank God it was COVID because

that would have been a nightmare

to just deal with.

I would probably would have to

get a lawyer.

I think

my actually I take that back.

My 2020 50 Raptor never

went in for a warranty repair

of any kind.

Never once.

Your newest one.

You got a tailgate.

Yeah, newest one had

the tailgate was possessed

and decided to open and close on

its own while driving several

times because it got water in

the rear harness because they

forgot to

put dielectric grease in the

rear harness.

But it also had a known failure

recall for the handle getting

water ingestion in there and

then ruining the power tailgate

release.

So it ended up being two issues

but ended up being a new rear

harness and then a new handle

a new rear camera.

But that was a pain in the

butt because I was doing repairs

on the house.

My GMC

had a battery issue that

killed two batteries a tailgate

that dropped on its own while

driving the carplay never

would connect.

It would intermittently click

then it just stopped working

entirely even after a full

reset.

I think there's something else

I can earn with that thing.

That thing was a piece of shit.

I was so glad I got rid of

that thing.

Hated that truck.

There's going to be stuff all

the time.

I'm just saying, yeah, like no

matter what cars I've had,

they've all had issues.

It's just and you need to talk

about those things because like

the F 150 thing

came into like that actually

triggered a recall

for the truck.

I wasn't the only one but it

was because a bunch of owners

like me were speaking up

saying, hey, go fix my shit.

And they finally did introduce

a recall for the rear

handle and the rear wiring.

So like the fact that you

can't talk about these things

is stupid.

Especially if you pay that

much for your car.

You should be loud about these

things, not angry,

tactful saying, hey, this

happened to me.

And other owners would say,

yes, this also happened to me

so that manufacturers

can go back and make upgrades

to the dot two facelift version.

They should have all these

things fixed from the factory.

Like it's stupid.

They can't say it.

Look, look at what Brian

Dallas and everybody else

has gone through with the

Recaro seats in the Ranger

Raptor.

Everybody's having to get

them received because,

you know, somebody at

the Recaro factory

decided to have a bad dick.

Yeah, because yeah,

we talked about Recaro

go almost going bankrupt.

I think they got saved.

But like, and oh, man,

I got so much heat for saying

that somebody posted an article

on Facebook and I had comments

that was like, well, yeah,

Recaro's quality has gone

to shit over the last five years.

Like I've had so many years.

My Gen two Raptor had

was starting to get that wear

on the seats like you guys got.

I never fought with it

because it was at like 45,000

miles and I'm like, well,

I've been sitting in this

seat far more than most people

for so many miles.

And so I was like,

that's just it seemed like

more normal wear and tear

for me, but still not

the quality I would expect

for Recaro for saying

you have a Recaro seat

you expect a lot higher

standard out of a seat.

And I was like, no,

Recaro is the same company

that's making airplane seats,

child seats and sub quality

interior car seats.

They're aftermarket stuff.

Like if you buy a Recaro seat

and put it in like your older

car, those are super nice.

The factory installed Recaros.

It's like you guys have

basically just sold your name

off and had, you know.

Yeah, they did the exact

rubber stamp your name on it

and send it on down the road,

like which I also accused

AEV of doing.

That was the other thing.

That's AEV I've accused

and openly accused of doing

the same thing.

They've stamped their name

on things.

AEV makes really nice stuff,

but their lack of support

for that really nice stuff

is really annoying.

And I expect more from a company

that has such a high.

They made their name

by building one off trucks.

You know, where you'd bring

a truck to them and then they

would, but when they partnered

with people and had to mass

produce things that didn't work,

you know, the quality went down.

Yeah, because they weren't

doing the quality in-house

at AEV.

They were putting their name

on things and then having GM

install it, which.

Anyway, boy, we could turn this

into a much longer episode.

We've already been in it.

Stand up for your rights.

Yeah, never, never, never

always complain, but complain nice.

You know, obviously more honey

than vinegar with bees or

something like that.

I don't know.

Everybody gets stunk.

Who knows?

To shit.

Well, I mean, this is the last.

Well, this, well, I guess

last week was the last episode

of 2025, but this will come

out.

This is our our little bit

of a fun 2026 looking ahead.

So should be an interesting year.

It should be a good year ahead.

I think at least in the car industry

said it's a golden time.

If you are golden time to be

a car owner, we're still living

in the golden age of cars with

more horsepower and more performance

than ever.

So enjoy it and turn off the data

sharing and go play

with your cars.

Absolutely.

All right.

Well, let's wrap it up for this

episode of the Vance podcast

as always.

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