“Full self-drive” is Tesla software that tries to do more of the driving for you. Even when it’s on, you’re still supposed to watch the road and be ready to take over.
“Full self-driving” is a Tesla software feature that helps the car drive. It’s not fully hands-off—you're still expected to watch and take over when it asks or when something goes wrong.
A driver profile is like a saved profile in the car for a specific person. It can store your preferences, and the car may know which person is driving when you use features or make changes.
The Ferrari “Luce” mentioned in the podcast appears to be a specific Ferrari model name being discussed, but the transcript doesn’t provide enough context to identify the exact vehicle with certainty. Because of that, the safest explanation is that it’s a Ferrari-branded model referenced by name in the conversation. It’s brought up as part of the podcast’s broader discussion of notable cars and their names/identities.
The BMW M3 is a fast, sporty version of a regular BMW 3 Series. It’s made to feel more exciting to drive, with stronger performance than a standard model. People talk about it a lot because each generation can feel different and more advanced.
They’re using a “luxury handbag” style idea to explain car demand. The point is that some products feel more appealing when they look friendly and fashionable, not scary or too aggressive—so more people want them.
The Pontiac Fiero is a classic Pontiac sports car. The hosts mention it as a comparison to make a point about how something oversized or weird-looking would look on a real car.
The Jeep Wrangler is a popular off-road SUV with a very recognizable boxy look. The hosts bring it up as an example of a car design they think people consider “masculine.”
The Mercedes-Benz G-Class is a very distinctive, boxy luxury SUV. The hosts compare it to a Jeep Wrangler to talk about how some car designs feel more “masculine” to people.
A hatchback is a car body style where the rear door (the “hatch”) swings upward and provides access to the cargo area. The hosts argue about whether the described vehicle is a hatchback versus a sedan, using the liftback/hatch layout as the practical definition.
A “perpetual calendar” is a watch feature that keeps track of the date automatically, including tricky stuff like leap years, without you adjusting it often.
Torque is the twisting force that helps the car get moving. Cars with more torque often feel punchier when you accelerate from a stop or at low speeds.
Horsepower is a number that describes how much power the car’s engine can produce. Higher horsepower usually means the car can accelerate harder, all else equal.
The Tesla Model S is an electric car, meaning it runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s built to be quick and has a lot of modern features. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because people compare how fast different versions of the Model S can be.
Rolex is a luxury watch brand. The hosts use it as an example of a brand that doesn’t have the same stock-market pressure as a publicly traded company.
A publicly traded company is one whose ownership is split into shares that trade on the stock market. The idea here is that stock-market investors can create extra pressure to keep growing results.
Aston Martin Lagonda is an Aston Martin model that’s remembered for having a very unusual, divisive look. The hosts are saying the car they’re discussing feels like a modern version of that kind of design gamble.
“Wedge” design means the car’s shape looks like a wedge—low and pointy, especially toward the front. The hosts are saying this design style was popular in a certain era and these cars fit that look.
The Porsche Cayenne is used as an analogy for how a brand can “go after” a different customer segment by expanding beyond its traditional lineup. Here, the hosts compare the Lagonda’s strategy to the Cayenne’s role as a pivot that brought Porsche into a more family-friendly, mainstream direction.
A digital cluster is the screen panel behind the steering wheel that shows things like speed and warnings. The hosts are pointing out that this car had advanced screen-based gauges for its time.
A digital display is the car’s dashboard showing info on a screen. Instead of needles and dials, it uses electronic graphics to show things like speed or warnings.
The Aston Martin V8 Vantage is a luxury sports car. It’s designed to look and feel special, and it has a powerful V8 engine. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because people are comparing how expensive different sports cars can be.
An air-cooled engine uses air blowing over the engine to keep it from overheating. Instead of coolant running through the engine, it uses airflow to carry the heat away.
They’re talking about the Volkswagen Beetle as a famous affordable car for everyday people in Germany. It’s known for being simple and easy to live with, especially compared with many other cars of its era.
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Citroën 2CV
They mention the Citroën 2CV as a classic small car from France. It was designed to be practical and comfortable on bad roads, using a very simple, no-frills approach.
They mention the Ford Model T as the American version of a car for everyday people. It’s famous for helping make cars affordable for regular folks.
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Austin-Healey 800
They’re talking about the Austin-Healey 800, an early small British sports car. It’s compact and lightweight, which is why it can fit in their very tight space.
The Sports 800 is an older small sports car. It was made to be fun and lightweight, rather than big and heavy. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it’s considered an early example of a “toy” sports car from its time.
“800 cc” is the engine size. It’s a measurement of how much space the engine’s cylinders have, and it helps explain why the car is small and not very powerful.
The Toyota Sports 800 is a small classic sports car from Toyota. It’s famous for being light and simple, with a manual gearbox and a special air-cooled engine layout that helps it feel lively even though it’s not fast.
A clunk from the wheel usually means something in the suspension or steering isn’t tight or is worn out. It can be caused by parts that have loosened up or developed play over time.
The Fiat 500 is a small car designed for city driving. Because it’s compact, it’s easier to park and drive in tight spaces. People mention it in the podcast because it’s a specific, easy-to-find kind of small car.
This is a 1968 Corvette from the C3 generation, with a 327 engine and a manual 3-speed transmission. It’s special because this exact setup—manual 3-speed—is uncommon, so it’s a neat find for collectors.
Hagerty is an enthusiast-focused company known for classic-car insurance and for running marketplaces (like auctions/listings) where owners and buyers verify vehicle details. In this segment, the hosts describe a listing dispute about whether Chevrolet made a manual 3-speed C3 Corvette.
The Dodge Charger is a car that’s built to be fast and exciting, with powerful engine options. It’s often grouped with other muscle cars because people compare how they drive and how they look. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it’s a well-known performance model.
The Dodge Challenger is a muscle car designed to be powerful and fun to drive. People often talk about it alongside the Charger because they’re similar types of performance cars. In the podcast, it comes up because it’s a recognizable model in that muscle-car world.
A “dog-leg” three-speed is a special way the gears are arranged in a manual transmission. It changes how you move the shifter between gears, so it can feel unusual compared with most 3-speed manuals.
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bean can
“Bean can” is an enthusiast nickname for a particular Corvette exhaust look. It’s basically shorthand collectors use to describe that specific style.
Manual brakes are brakes without power assist, so you have to push harder on the pedal. They’re mentioning it to show the car was built with a very minimal equipment list.
“Original miles” means the car’s mileage is thought to be the real mileage it’s always had. Low mileage can make a classic more appealing, but it still may need work—especially if it sat for years.
A “paint job” is the car’s paint work. On classic cars, how well it was repainted can really affect how valuable and how nice it looks, and the host says this one wasn’t done very well.
Mouse droppings are a sign the car sat unused for a long time. They can get into the car’s interior and even affect parts like wiring, so cleaning them out is an important first step before trying to get the car running.
“C3” means a specific generation of the Corvette. It covers the late-60s through early-80s cars, and the hosts are saying more people are starting to appreciate them again—so prices are rising.
“Chrome bumper” refers to the earlier C3 Corvette styling with prominent chrome bumpers, commonly associated with the 1968–1972 cars. Enthusiasts often treat these as a distinct sub-era because the look and trim details differ from later, more federally regulated designs.
“Malaise era” is a nickname car fans use for the late 1970s, when stricter emissions rules made cars less powerful. The hosts are saying those cars used to be cheaper because people weren’t as excited about them then.
The Honda Ridgeline is a pickup truck from Honda that drives more like a car than a traditional truck. Here, the hosts talk about buying and selling one and comparing the older one to a newer version.
The alternator is the part that keeps your car’s battery charged and powers the electronics while the engine is running. They’re saying oil from an engine leak got into the alternator and made it fail.
A spool valve gasket is a small sealing part in the engine that helps keep oil where it belongs. If it breaks, oil can leak into other components and cause failures—like the alternator in this story.
VTEC is Honda’s technology that changes how the engine’s valves work to make it run better. They’re saying a gasket related to that system can fail and cause oil leaks.
Payload capacity is how much weight a truck can carry safely in the bed (and sometimes inside), after you account for the truck itself. They’re comparing those numbers between trucks to show how practical the Ridgeline is.
The Dodge Ram is a large pickup truck. It’s made for carrying loads and towing trailers. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because people compare how much weight different trucks can handle.
The Ram 2500 is a big, heavy-duty pickup truck meant for hauling and work. They compare it to the Ridgeline to show the Ridgeline can still be very practical for carrying stuff.
The Dodge Power Wagon is a pickup truck made for tougher jobs and off-road driving. It’s designed to carry heavier loads and handle rougher conditions than a basic truck. In the podcast, it comes up because people are comparing how much weight it can handle.
The Ram Power Wagon is a tougher, off-road-focused version of the Ram trucks. In this clip, it’s brought up just to compare how much weight each truck can carry.
The Range Rover is a luxury SUV made by Land Rover. It’s built to be comfortable for everyday driving but also capable on rough roads. People mention it because it’s a premium vehicle with both comfort and capability.
This is a Porsche 911 from the 1996-era generation (the host says it’s a 2003, which is a 996). It’s the classic 911 shape, but this one is described as easy to live with—especially for driving around town.
IMS stands for a specific internal engine part (the intermediate shaft). On some Porsche 911 engines, it can fail and cause major engine problems—so the car may need an engine replacement.
Tiptronic is Porsche’s automatic transmission that still lets you choose gears yourself if you want. Here, the host says the car’s five-speed version made it easy and enjoyable for casual driving.
A 911 Turbo is the more powerful, turbocharged version of the Porsche 911. The host is saying they’ve always wanted one, and then they talk about finding a Turbo to buy.
The Autobahn is Germany’s highway network, famously associated with very high-speed driving and, in some areas, no universal speed limit. The host uses it as shorthand for the kind of long-distance, high-speed cruising a 911 Turbo is associated with.
ADAS are driver-assist features that help you drive, like keeping you in your lane or adjusting cruise control. The host is saying some cars have so many of these features that it can make driving less enjoyable.
Direct injection means the fuel is sprayed straight into the engine’s cylinders. It’s a more modern way to deliver fuel that can help the engine run better, but it’s different from older systems.
An air oil separator helps stop oil vapor from getting into places it shouldn’t. Replacing it can reduce oil mess and help the engine breathe properly.
Here “analog” means the car is more old-school: you use real knobs and buttons and it feels more directly connected to what you’re doing. The idea is less screen-and-software, more direct driving.
The Porsche 911 GT3 RS is the hardcore, track-oriented version of the 911. The hosts say people want it, but it costs a lot of money to buy.
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cob tune
A “tune” is software changes made to the car’s computer. A COBB tune is a popular aftermarket version that can make the car respond and perform differently than it does from the factory.
These are drive modes you select with buttons. They change how the car behaves—like how quickly it responds to the gas—and if they’re broken, the car won’t feel right.
On turbo cars, an “over boost” mode briefly pushes more boost pressure to help the car accelerate harder. If that feature isn’t working, the car won’t feel as strong when you ask for power.
Launch control is a system that helps a car get off the line quickly and consistently. It’s especially important for drag racing because it helps the car hook up and accelerate more effectively.
The BMW i8 is a sports car that uses both electricity and gasoline. That means it can drive using electric power and also use a gas engine when needed. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it’s a special kind of performance car from that time period.
This is a very early Porsche sports car: the 356 B from 1962. It’s important because it’s part of the history that eventually leads to the Porsche 911.
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pre 356
“Pre 356” means “before the Porsche 356,” which was Porsche’s early famous sports car. The host is using it to talk about Porsche’s earlier days before that model.
Ferdinand Porsche was a famous car engineer behind early Volkswagen and Porsche designs. The host is mentioning his history to explain how Porsche’s story began.
They talk about finding a classic car on Craigslist, making an offer, and then getting it checked by a mechanic. It’s the story of how the purchase happened.
“Bathtubs” is an enthusiast nickname for early Porsche 911s, referring to their rounded, low, wide body shape. It’s not a formal model name, but it’s a recognizable way people talk about the classic 911 look.
C2 is a nickname for a specific generation of Chevrolet Corvette from the 1960s. In this story, it’s mentioned as a reference point for what those Corvettes cost compared to the Porsche.
The Toyota Supra is a sports car made by Toyota. It’s designed to be fast and fun, with an engine tuned for performance. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because people compare how much power and driving feel it offers.
Term
va
“VA” sounds like the host is referring to a V8 engine—an engine with eight cylinders. They’re comparing that kind of big American engine to the smaller, lower-horsepower Porsche of that era.
“Outlaws” here means classic cars that aren’t kept completely original. They’ve often been modified so they’re more fun to drive, even if they’re not as “collector-correct.”
Here “compression” is about how tightly the engine squeezes the fuel-air mixture before it ignites. More squeeze can make the engine stronger, but it has to be set up correctly.
“Numbers matching” means the car still has the original parts it left the factory with, like the original engine. Collectors like it because it’s more authentic and usually worth more.
Disc brakes are a braking system where pads squeeze a metal disc to slow the car down. Converting to discs is often done to get better stopping power and more consistent braking.
An engine rebuild is when the engine is taken apart and repaired so it runs correctly again. It can be a good sign, but you still want to know it was done properly.
Patina is the “lived-in” look a classic car gets over the years, like faded or chipped paint. Some people love it because it looks authentic and doesn’t hide the car’s history.
“Filler” is material put on the body to smooth dents before painting. The concern they’re raising is that it can hide rust underneath, and rust tends to keep spreading if you don’t address it.
Restoration means fixing up an older car to look and be in better shape. They’re saying that even if the paint looks good, rust repair still has to happen underneath for it to last.
Rubber gaskets are the sealing strips that help keep the car weather-tight. When you restore a classic, old gaskets usually need replacing so everything fits right and doesn’t leak.
“Restoring” a classic car means fixing it up so it looks and works like it should. It can take a long time, especially if there’s a lot of bodywork to do.
“Metal work” is the hands-on fixing of the car’s body metal—like repairing rust or replacing damaged panels. It’s usually one of the hardest and slowest parts of restoring a classic.
A “color change” means repainting the car in a different color. On an older classic, it usually takes a lot more work than just spraying new paint because the car has to be prepped and often taken apart.
They’re talking about the practical side: restoration has to make financial sense, not just be what you want to do. So they’re weighing the cost of repainting against what the car is worth.
A “matching engine number” means the engine is the original one (or at least one that’s documented to belong to that exact car). Collectors often pay more for that kind of verified originality.
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356b
The Porsche 356B is a classic Porsche model. The point here is that a car that’s in excellent condition and has the correct original engine number tends to be worth more to collectors.
“Restored” means the car has been fixed up and brought back to look and/or run like it’s supposed to. The discussion is about how that can raise the car’s resale value, even if it costs a lot to do.
“Don’t paint it” is a collector-culture stance that favors preserving a car’s existing patina, wear, and originality rather than refinishing it. The hosts connect it to generational taste differences—some older owners value chips and imperfections as evidence of authenticity.
The BMW M6 is a fast BMW that’s meant for driving longer distances in comfort. It has a strong engine and performance tuning, so it can feel intense if you’re not used to quick cars. In the podcast, it’s mentioned because it can be a lot to handle for some drivers.
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What's going on through me off guard there? I know. Welcome to this fun episode of TFL
car chat and today we're going to be doing a fleet update Tommy talking about all the
cars that we sold and a special one that we bought. Yeah, because it's been, you know,
a few months since we've done one of these and the TFL fleet is always in in some kind of flex.
Yeah, for sure. Yeah, so in today's video we'll talk about some of the great cars we have. We'll
talk about some long termers too that we've had a chance to live with some of the good and the bad
and kind of feel you guys you know what's going on around here. Yeah, so we just spent the most
amount of money we have ever spent on a classic car and sometimes you know you go seek cars out
and sometimes cars come to you and sometimes when cars come to you you just have to go for it
even though this is not a car that you're planning to buy but the opportunity and the car are just
so right that it's almost like the car has asked for a new owner and has found you and this is what
happened with this car. Well, it was on craigslist. It's not like it came to you directly on the car
that could drive itself to my house and say hey I'm looking for a new owner. Sometimes they do.
Have you driven the new Teslas? They go wherever they want. By the way, this is a fun little tangent.
I was driving our Tesla the other day and it's got this really great feature full self-drive
incredible. You plug in a destination and it takes you there. You never have to touch the wheel
but the weird part is you can hit start full self-drive and the car will just start driving
but where is it going? Have you noticed this? Yeah because it knows that you're either going
to work or you're going home so depending on the time of the day it'll actually if the car's at home
and you do that in the morning it'll automatically take you to work and if you're at work and you
do that in the afternoon it'll automatically route you to home. Well one time I was leaving the house
in like mid-afternoon and my driveway goes left which nobody goes to because it's a dirt road
and goes to a lake and then you go right into the city and the car just decided to go left. It
always goes left from your house always. But where is it going? I don't know. I've never let it go
left. I always intervene and now the you don't think it's going to like Elon's house like it's
just like pre if you don't set a destination it goes. Maybe he wants to go to the lake. Maybe he
wants to go see some fishes yeah. There's a new thing by the way on the full self-driving now
every time you intervene it asks you why you're intervened. Do you tell it why? Yeah you can.
There's like four options like navigation like an emergency. Well there's the option to record and
you leave them a message. No this is before you would intervene and then it would just disengage
full self-driving. Now a little pop-up comes up and it says why did you. I know and then you
click the button and it says leave a message for the team. You can or you can just tell. Yeah so
I left an anonymous message about what happened. It's probably not anonymous. They say it is.
Yeah they say it's anonymous. They know who's driving it because you've got a driver profile.
Well you don't have a driver profile. No I don't. I use your driver profile. That's why
it's going to the office see. There you go. Yeah because you're using my driver profile. Or the
lake apparently or Elon's house who's to say. Hey before we get to this car that we've spent the
most money on ever a classic car and we'll tell you what cars we sold to kind of afford this
let me give you a crazy idea I had about the new Lucy Goosey. That's what I'm calling the new
Ferrari. Okay. You get it right Lucy Goosey. I don't get it. Cold you get it Lucy Goosey.
What's it called? Luce. If you don't read it the Italian way what is it? Luce. Lucy. Oh god
it's not that hard. Lucy Goosey. Come on. It's L-U-C-E. How is that Lucy? That's Lucy. There's
no double O. There's no S in it. It's Luce. It's Lucy Goosey. Anyway let's talk about the new Lucy
Goosey which everybody hates unequivocally but I have a theory about this and you could tell me
that I'm completely crazy. So let me give you my theory. Ferrari sells about 13,000 cars every
year and they have the same business plan kind of that Rolex has in that they can't really build
any more cars because they always have to build one less than the demand. They've been really good
at that so in other words if you want to get a Rolex you have to go to your local Rolex shop and
buy a bunch of watches that you may or may not want to get the one that you want.
Same thing with the Paris Sangue. Same thing with the Ferrari if you want the F80 or the
upcoming F90 I guess if there'll be one of those you're going to have to buy a bunch of
Paris Sangues. Sure. And the problem with that business plan is that you can't really expand
your buyer base because you're already maxed out. If all of a sudden they go from building 13,000
cars annually to 26,000 cars that business plan falls apart because now people can just buy cars
and everybody's going to want to buy the car that Ferrari builds but the problem is if you
build more than what they build like 800 F80s if you build 1600 of them the value goes down and
then people won't be willing to go and buy the Paris Sangue or Paris Sangue however it's pronounced
to get to the ones that they do want. So you're saying they need to expand the demand. Yeah they
need to find a different customer base and what is the one customer base that I think isn't buying
Ferraris? Cars that are designed like computer mouses. The people. What people aren't buying
Ferraris? People that want a car that looks like a computer mouse. No there's a certain segment
of the population and it's Cole can you help out with this half the population. What half of the
population isn't buying Ferraris? I think you're assuming you're saying women don't buy Ferraris.
That's true like in this podcast all of our stuff and I'm not being sexist if we look at our demographics
90% of the people who are watching this podcast are guys. 90, 105% of the people are listening
are guys. I think I don't think it's a stretch to say that 90% of all Ferraris are bought by guys
and the problem is you can't expand beyond that audience because and as a publicly traded company
you have to grow the business so how do you grow it? And my theory is that the way you grow it is
you design a car that appeals to women. You design a luxurious car that has kind of the
let's call it the Birkenbag effect. Okay, where where women look at this car and it's not intimidating
because the Lucy Goosey now is very friendly. It's very it's got a very friendly face. It's not
very intimidating. It's just a very interesting looking car has nothing to do with any Ferrari
heritage whatsoever. There is no Ferrari in the car except for the badge. Sure. So it completely
broke the model. And so I'm thinking maybe Ferrari has decided that they want to sell cars women
and the way you do that is you the same way that you sell them to men you have to make them exclusive
you have to make them luxurious but women I think tend to look at things more from a practical
standpoint than men do. I think they have a different approach and so maybe this is their
attempt to basically sell the Birkenbag to a different customer base. The problem is it's
still ugly to women because look go go back a picture I just had this interesting realization
one more the one that one I don't think a woman wants a Dyson vacuum that swallowed the back
half of a Pontiac Fiero right like the problem you're saying is that women want something
different than men in car design and I don't think that's necessarily the truth because listen
like if I asked my friend group or women their dream car is inherently masculine.
Most of my girlfriends all have the same. As far as I know they all want Wranglers. No they all
want G wagons right which is a grown-up Wrangler. Yeah but that's an inherently masculine design
it's very square. That's a good point. So I don't think that having this rolly-poly little hatchback
thing is gonna appeal. It's not a hatchback. It is a hatchback. It's a sedan it's a four door. It's
a hatchback isn't it it's got a lift back it's literally a hatchback which is practical. Yeah
this thing is the problem is that I just well is the Birkin bag a good-looking bag I don't know. Yes
I think it is if this was a hundred and 20000 dollars and they were going for like
every man Ferrari but that won't work. You're not gonna you're gonna devalue the brand you know
it's like it's like that you know they have devalued the brands I mean clearly they've already done
a good job. They asked the founder of Red Bull why is it so expensive and his answer is classic
the reason it's so expensive is because how else would you know that it's good and it's valuable
sure you know so you make it a hundred and twenty and you're gonna devalue the brand you're gonna
devalue the car and it's just not gonna happen so you gotta make it expensive to make it exclusive
to make it luxurious and you gotta make it something that is not attainable but something
that is hard to attain that's the kind of the essence of luxury gets the it's the hunt it's the
getting that is more important than the thing sometimes. Yeah but you have to hunt
something desirable and I'm not sure that this is a desirable product right it doesn't the reason
that Ferrari is a powerful brand is because of the image the design and the engineering and this
car doesn't push the bounds in any of those in my opinion. But then you're selling you're selling
okay let me give you another analogy and I'm gonna take I've been learning a lot about watches so
I'm gonna take this from the watch world. If you're a brand you have to know who your customer is
so what let's say Rolex right what you're wearing your grandfather's Rolex which I gave to you for
your birthday. Thank you yes. Recently so so what is the essence of Rolex
if you're a customer or if you're the brand isn't like the specifications there's nothing
it's like Toyota Rolex is kind of like Toyota there's nothing really groundbreaking that Rolex
does they never depart very far from you know the thing that they do and the reason for that is
because what they're selling is the exact notion let me finish the notion that you're successful
that this is a sign of that you've made it in life 100% right but look at some of the other
brands of watches and I'm not that familiar with all the brands but let's say one of the ones that
is very much technologically forward then then what you're selling is not the brand but you're
selling like the complications in a watch the fact that it's a it's a perpetual calendar that does
all this other stuff right and the way you can tell the way that the brand looks at their customers
how they advertise so if you're one of the cutting-edge watch brands you're going to be
advertising all the complications all the things that it does Ferrari with this card didn't really
talk about the specifications right they talked about the design the people who designed it right
in fact they came out with the interior first before they came out with the exterior so to me
if you're launching an f80 you're going to be talking about lab times horsepower torque right
how great the innovation is from f1 technology because then you're going for enthusiasts
that's the people like us you're going for the people like us right this car is actually slow
from an electric car point of view 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds right this is you know a plaid will
run circles around this a tesla plaid yeah so so my my guess is that they're not going after the
traditional customer which would be us because they're not talking about the heritage they're
not talking about the specifications they're just saying hey this is something completely different
and so there are trying to find a different market than the usual one and maybe women is that
so do you think i could be wrong you know i i i raised my hand i could be completely wrong
is Ferrari more of a rolex is that what you're saying as a brand no it's more of an enthusiast
no for sure okay but this this but this to me is more of a rolex so so this but this is a total
departure it is and that's something you literally said rolex never departs from what they do
that's what you said that's key is that rolex doesn't depart from what rolex isn't a publicly
traded company in fact they're a non-profit and so publicly traded companies rolex doesn't
need to sell any more watches they're very profitable and they're very happy and they don't
have that pressure as a public Ferrari by the way became a publicly traded company like five years
ago it's something new and at the launch of the luce Ferrari stock dropped six percent based on
internet backlash true that so if the goal is to boost the stock price i'm not sure they have
attained that goal well the goal is eventually to boost the stock price right you have you not
going to do it immediately hopefully you're going to do it by you know selling more cars over the
510 years whether this is possible i don't know but like i said i don't think rolex has that
pressure that ferrari has and ferrari used to be rolled into stilantis i think at the time it was
fca and they spun it off because the brand is so strong and so valuable into a publicly traded
company and that adds a lot of pressure to what the brand is you can no longer just keep it at
13 000 cars because investors would be like hey you made the same amount of money last year that you
did this year why should i invest because the stock price is going to go up so i might take on
this car is this has been done before a premium brand coming out with a car that is very hideous
is the wrong word um a catastrophe to look at is the right word i think the interior is brilliant
the interior is brilliant but what i'm saying is in my opinion this car is the modern day
astin martin leganda do you want to pull that up col so astin martin up through the 1940s 50s
60s into the 70s we actually drove that car yeah go to our video col we have a leganda it'll get
demonetized it's on car oh yeah um the uh the so the leganda was a total departure for astin martin
it was four doors it was really really bold in the design department it was a technological
departure from what astin martin had done it was very sophisticated in a lot of ways a lot
like the luce right it brought in a lot of new design and technology and ultimately we look back
at it with kind of fond memories but it was kind of a sales flop they only sold like 600 of them in
a 10-year stretch or something but i think we're going to look back at the luce in similar ways
we look back at the leganda where first of all i think the leganda is a handsome car which the
luce is probably not but back yeah but back then it got people talking right it was different than
anything that astin martin had done it's desirable i think it also goes after the enthusiast because
look at the design of it well and the reason it goes after the enthusiast is because it had all
this cutting-edge technology right the cheese enthusiast it was part of that wedge car design
era so yes it is wedgie but that was what was happening at the time and look at the inside
once again just like the astin it was there are the frarie it's very bold i think there are some
differences between first of all i don't think this went after a new customer base i think what
astin was trying to do was saying we're selling sports cars it was it was kind of better i think
a better analogy would be that this was the cayenne before the cayenne no it actually was
going after a different customer base i saw a whole piece on top gear about it recently from
the 70s yeah and they were trying to target a whole different than the old school astin martin
buyer they were trying to track much younger buyers with every brand's always trying to do that so i
think that it's it's kind of a similarity in a lot of ways and it was it had a whole digital
cluster so it was very technologically advanced i think there are some differences and let me
point those out first i think they were still going after astin customers like okay top gear
may have said something else but i think they were going they did the cayenne before the cayenne
so they were trying to expand from you know two-door sports cars into more family-friendly
let me finish also the technology in that car was so far ahead of its time that it was bleeding
edge not cutting edge and it didn't work true and it was very unreliable and so the car quickly
got a reputation of not you know the it had a completely digital display way before people
could actually do digital displays and then the last thing i would say about the leganda and having
like i said we drove one we should have bought it back like 10 years ago it was cheap but when
they were really cheap now they've gotten crazy expensive because it took like 25 years before
people realized what the thing was and now they're almost ungettable yeah anyway um so that's my
luci luci luci but they're still a lot cheaper than other astin martins of that era depends which
i mean like a good one is maybe 80 or 100 years was 33 000 no no i'm saying legandas yeah they're
they're expensive but they're not as expensive as like a v8 vantage from that era sure much
i don't know how much how much you're like 80 to 100 grand i think they're more than i heard
they're like can you look it up col can you do like ask uh ask ai how much how much the retail
value oh geez col you you really dove down to do a 1970s leganda price there's a lot of different
legandas or 80s yeah i'm curious i'm curious i think they're like a quarter million though
i don't think they're 80 um 24 to 50 000 pounds 100 to 200 today's money scroll down that that's
just inflation yeah we need to know the retail value today how much how much does oh here we go
here we go i found but from between 35 and 50 for um running and driving examples um however rare
series ones can be a quarter million dollars if you get a really really good that's what i heard
yeah so a quarter million but the average price is 82 000 so like 80 to 100 well because you can't
fix them yeah exactly right so should we keep going about our fleet update yeah yeah so let's
talk about the cars that we sold to buy this car uh so first and foremost if you guys know a bunch
of years ago and you can look up this video i think it's on classics we bought a chinkwichento
what year that was a 71 i think 72 and the typical tfo fashion we bought high and sold low
so that car was 87 inches wide i believe or close to it and the reason it was 87 inches wide and
the reason no yeah wide 87 inches wide is like the width of a whole lane oh maybe this thing is
like 22 millimeters wide hold on i thought it was uh i'm gonna get the numbers right anyway
anyway it was the only size it could get in between the doors the double doors that we have
and so a long time ago i was watching a video and noticed that edmunds had a car in their
offices in fact they i think they have an old Corvette up on the wall not like on the ground but
up like up on the wall when you walk in so i thought it'd be cool if we had a car in our office
and the only one that in tfl fashion fit was uh this guy yeah so we had it for a bunch
of videos and then we had it sitting in the office because it fit between the double doors
and i think we had it for like five years i think we bought it what for 15 16 000 yeah and it was
a really cool little car i really enjoyed doing some videos with this car we did like a fun thing
where we tried to get a speeding ticket at case nine because it only had 17 horsepower and it only
did maybe 55 miles an hour but a very very good car to drive really precise steering really good
brakes suspension was good so they're absolutely teeny tiny here you can see brennan and i cruising
around in it i mean and we're shoulder to shoulder these things were designed to fit in the smallest
european roads post war italy but they really are a great cars to own super simple two cylinder
engines air-cooled really clever pieces of engineering yeah rear engine like a Porsche and
the reason we bought it also was because we were trying to get all the cars of the people so all the
cars that basically in all the different countries got people moving after the second world war
so we had a beetle which would have been the german car of the people yep we had a mini we had the
fiat we had the two cv two cv and then of course for america we had the model t which kind of came
before the war but still it should have we should have got charlie's trippant though that would
have been a good yeah back to put in there yeah well we didn't have a trippant anyway so it sat
in our office we did a bunch of videos and then speaking of charlie we found out that he was selling
his what he had a sports 800 which was the very first toy sports car it even came before the 2000
gt but it's also like a teeny tiny little sports car that also fits perfectly between our doors
so that we had to take the doors off it was just like a half an inch so okay gotcha so we had to
take the office door off but yeah i mean it's once again 800 cc two cylinder not actually a k car
even though it looks like one it's a real car but it fits into our doors you want to show that video
yeah show them because it's a really unique car it has three distinctions tommy which are really
cool so before the gt 2000 look of sports 800 cool yeah before the before the gt 2000 which is the
james bond toad of the people know which is a million dollar car came the sports 800 and the
three distinctions that it had was first and you know yeah first and foremost it's a target uh-huh
which which is the first target ever actually came in front ahead of the 911 it sure did then
secondly it was the first to the sports car uh-huh so people think it's a gt 2000 and toad of being
one of the biggest brands in the world they have to own their first yeah it was the 2000 gt it was
actually the sports 800 yeah and then the third distinction because they sold it in where they
have i forgot the name the okinawa yeah so okinawa it came in both right hand and left hand drive yeah
so the first way to do to do that but really fascinating little car it's got a horizontally
opposed two cylinder air cooled engine with a manual transmission and rear wheel drive
but it looks like something out of kind of an anime like it's got these really interesting
bubble lights on the front of it and it's all kind of jetsons inspired and how the back end
tapers and it's a fun fun fun car to drive it's really slow but it handles like a dream and it's
surprisingly roomy considering it's only the size of a peanut yeah and so we traded our two cv our
citron du chivot plus some money i think paid charlie another 14 000 to get this car
because there's only about 300 of these left in the world and so i thought to myself this is a
really special car at some point somebody's going to understand the value of these things i think
they they trade for like 40 000 now so they're not super expensive not super cheap but for you
know being you know a 40 year old 50 year old classic Toyota i think they're still relatively
affordable and they're relatively tiny and so we have it now sitting in our offices where the
two cv no where the fiat was yeah so that way it doesn't get you know hit or isn't in harm's way
so we sold the fiat to a really cool viewer out of colorado um he he actually had one and it needed
a little bit of work like i had this really he's selling his old one though oh is he it's on craigslist
how much does he want for you remember 11 five okay yeah he's about right all right so like this
really annoying little like clunk coming from the wheel and it ultimately like it just made
sense to sell to someone who really knew how to fix it so uh i'm really excited that was a car
yeah i think it was like it was in the fiat booth i want to say it was restored for sima
like we should help him try to sell his because he was such a great guy can you go on craigslist
and look up fiat 500 coal and we'll show it to him i can send you the link to it would that be
easier or do you just want to find it i think you can probably find it yeah we should show it
because he was just really great because i had a really hard time i put up on facebook
and everybody was like you know low balling me on this car because i don't think they knew
knew what it was yeah but there was a local uh guy who wanted to actually use it for his winery
there it is found it yeah i think this is the car yep that's that's the one that he's selling
yeah this is a nice car 1970 500 l luso so uh these cars are pretty rare to sort of find them
for sale in the u.s it's cool to see so also pretty valuable in italy this is a car that might be
more valuable abroad than it is anyway if you're interested in the car it's on craigslist in denver
uh-huh and it says 1971 fiat luso 500 classic very good very nice condition 12 250 so it's a
little bit off so yeah he's a really super guy and if you want somebody who is a genuine car guy who's
you know takes crevice cars who's kept it's black with a red interior i think it's completely
sorted it's got the sunroof uh an interior is actually beautiful so if you want one this would
be a good one to get also if you're looking for a car in crazy gas prices we have now
it's not a bad option all i'm saying i mean it's that or save at the pump and a scooter might be
faster yeah exactly it's only got but it's remarkably you know roomy given how tiny it is
exactly right yeah so yeah check that out in park or colorado if you're if you're local
in one of 500 i was i haven't seen the car but he said it's a it's a pretty nice car oh yeah yeah
no rust uh yeah i just want to help him out because he's such a great guy uh so that is for sale on
craigslist the other car that we sold to afford this new one uh and maybe you can find the uh
68 vet we recently saw that as well so this went to kind of a one of our friends that
lives local to us just down the road um they bought it they've got a pretty cool little
car collection and now they've got a really interesting corvette to add to that so this
was our 1968 first year of the c3 corvette 327 convertible manual three speed you want to tell
your story about when you tried to listen on hagerty and the guy didn't believe it was a three
speed yeah so i i i tried i tried to listen on hagerty uh and i said it was a three speed and
he said no they didn't make three speeds and he's like i'm a corvette i wasn't on hagerty it was
it was you know who it was it was that guy that you did the charger or challenger video with
that guy no maybe no it was hagerty yeah because you were listening on them on their marketplace
or on their auction site yeah yeah yeah oh yeah that's right and they they said that's right it
was hagerty i was trying to list it uh as a as an auction and they said that chevy didn't make
three speeds manual manual c3 and i said that's funny because i got an original 68 with a three
speed and uh he didn't want to believe me yeah and then he had to go back and actually look at the
documentation and they was like oh wow they did do three speeds i think they only did a hundred i
think they only did it for like maybe 68 through 70 or 68 through 69 but they only built like you
said 230 of them in the first model year because if you're buying a corvette you want it to be kind
of fun so you either got the four speed manual or you want a cruiser so you got a three speed
automatic so to actually like purposely go out and buy a three speed manual corvette was super rare
so it was a dog leg three speed there was also a bean can it had one option and one option only
which was a convertible convertible yeah but no ac no power windows no power steering no uh no power
brakes i think it had power brakes maybe but no no power brakes it actually had
manual brakes that's right but really basic specification of car so kind of an interesting
find and as early c3s go this is about as affordable as you could get so our our friends of the channel
who we've borrowed we just did a video on their k car they ended up buying this from us yeah and uh
i think what makes this car so special and so unique was especially if you're a colorado person
was that it was a colorado car that sat in a barn for like 25 years so it had very low miles i want
to say 60 000 something like that yeah so for a car that's from you know 45 years old they only
have 60 000 miles it's pretty unique and those were original miles the downside to it was it was
painted this like very canary yellow but it was definitely you know not even a 10 foot maybe a 50
foot paint job where you could see somebody rattle candid and they didn't do a very good job and the
original color was really cool it was like a copper color i wish they had left it at that well
the story is interesting like this woman bought it um some point in the 70s and had owned it for
over 20 years and she drove it to and from school because she was a school teacher so pretty cool
school teacher and then parked it in a barn um and then i think she passed away and her husband
or her kid then went to sell it so um she contacted another friend of the of the channel who actually
dragged it out of the barn vacuumed out about 300 pounds of mouse poop he said um and then got it
running because mechanically the car was sorted and then unfortunately that ended up with a person
who hated the original color it was a corvette flipper he sold it to a corvette flipper and then
kind of did this less than ideal paint job on it to and then made it yellow for some reason even
though the original kind of copper was so cool he should have just repainted in the copper color
it would have been more valuable too and then we ended up sort of buying it just down the road from
that so ultimately it's a it's a really strong running car that 327 was solid the trans was
solid the brakes were really good um but we did our videos with it so it's time to move it on
yeah and i gotta say tommy uh i do miss this car because it was a lot of fun to drive and the other
thing i've noticed is that c3s are coming up usually in the past the the chrome bumper ones in
other words the ones from 68 to like 72 were very valuable but then when you got into the malaise
era of cars in america in other words when all of the emissions came in and horsepower got cut to
like 180 those cars you could pick up all day for 10 maybe less thousand dollars and now i'm seeing
on craigsist that even the later like the 70s and the early 80s c3s are coming up in valley no
interesting i think i think people are discovering that they're really cool because the design of
them is just beautiful yeah i mean they're a little the the later cars especially because the huge
majority of them are automatics they're not great to drive the the stick cars are really fun but the
automatics that they just don't play very well in my opinion with that 350 and the the gearing in the
car but they are incredible to look at and that's why you buy them is just because the aura and the
design of it was great we won't spend a lot of time on this one but we sold another car remember
that old honda ridge line that i bought yes at the donate a car auction that we kind of you know
fixed up did they pick that up yet it's still here but we sold that as well that went all the way to
Memphis time nice okay 66 and a half thousand dollars we sold that with sweet with just under 200
thousand miles yeah that was a great truck yeah that's a really sort of truck we bought it the
donated car auction because at that time we had a new ridge lines we wanted to compare the old to
the new we got together with our friends soft hopper and they provided us a soft hopper so we
put a soft hopper on it in the case i think did that yep and then we did a bunch of videos with it
we had it professionally detailed so the interior looks brand new on it well we had to do some other
stuff too the alternator failed yeah we had to drag it from walmart yep i was there for that the spool
valve gasket failed which killed the alternator yeah but yeah i mean if you're just looking for
by the way that's a common problem on all handles with v-tech yeah so the spool valve gasket fails
and then it drips oil into the alternator which then kills the alternator yeah very very very
common but this was such a good i love this truck so much it's considering buying it but i just
didn't really need one but the the the driving dynamics of that car the capability for what it
is the the payload capacity on that ridge line is more than that ram 2500 we have outside think
about that 1530 pounds in the ridge line 1500 pounds in the power wagon so really usable useful
little thing to just kick around in the bed is useful the trunk was super useful underneath the
bed i think it's just a vastly overlooked truck all right now we're getting into the right brand
of the car we just brought because we also sold two of these to buy one and the first video of this
one is coming up so we're going to kind of spoil it a little bit for you but i don't believe in
teasing stuff on the podcast i hate when i just do a podcast and they say we can't tell you because
you know this video is coming out we're not going to do that to you we're going to we're
going to spill it right here and you'll see that video coming up very soon so we purchased
two 9 11's i bought a 2005 997 the first of the 997 Carrera 2 s so the one that everybody wants
it had over 100 000 miles bought it for 35 000 beautiful color it was this dark blue
and of course you know i asked to hagrity people about it because it was sitting in
california is everything good with it and they said oh yeah runs great you know i actually
talked to the representative and i'm not i'm not disparaging hagrity i mean when you buy something
at auction buy or beware right it's very common so when the car shows up it's running fine but the
first thing i notice is like the passenger seat when you go to move it turns sideways when you go
to move it and basically one of the motors that take a dump so that was wrong and then the heated
seats didn't work there was a whole bunch of little niggly stuff and so we took it to our local
portion mechanic and said hey how much to sort this and they said how much remember i don't remember
18 000 oh jeez yeah 18 000 and a lot of that may have been stuff that didn't need to be replaced
but nevertheless we did the stuff that needed to be done and that was there it is beautiful car
with these dark black lobster claw wheels the four exhaust tips at the back because it's the s
mechanically i think it would have been pretty sound if it hadn't done something else so let me
let me finish with the story this is this is the Porsche story anyway so so i kind of fell in love
with this car i love the fact that it was manual but i could see myself going down that road of
old 87 we had remember we had an 87 g body that i spent i think 85 000 on fixing up and ended up
selling for 55 000 yeah and i kind of felt like we were going down the road with this one and in
the meantime this is also a fun story we're trying to get which we end up buying a land rover sport
and so i found one on craigsist and i called the owner oh range rover sports or yeah range
rover sports so i called the owner and i'm like hey i'm really interested in you look like it was
a very sorted car it's a right year and he said sorry i just sold it i'm like bummery said i've
got another car i'm selling and i go what and he goes it's a Porsche i go tell me more and he
goes it's a 911 i'm like tell me more and he goes it's a coupe and i'm like tell me more because
these are the ones you want and he's like well it's an automatic i was like uh i'm like what year
and he goes 2003 i'm like oh 996 and i go how much you want for it 15 and i'm like i'm buying it
yeah yeah $88,000 uh turned out that car had an engine replaced no 80,000 miles 80,000 miles
yeah oh god we didn't pay $80,000 for 80,000 miles $15,000 turned out that car had its engine
replaced under warranty because the IMS went bad so we had a new engine at 40,000 miles all right
80,000 miles uh also it was well you drove it what did you think of it yeah it was i mean
honestly of all the Porsches i've ever driven i think it's still probably one of my favorites
i just i really like driving it because it was it was super good at just cruising around town
with that tiptronic five speed it was fun enough on a back road and it was so affordable that you
didn't really have to worry about it that much and that's something that's not usually the case
with 911s because they're so valuable that you're always concerned about them but this was such a
great little car it was silver it was um the right balance had the right number of miles i
thought it was pretty tight to drive it was just an awesome ownership experience for the granted
only few months we had it so i i think that honestly the people don't like the tiptronic
cars as much as manual they're worth like 10 or $15,000 less but as a whole for just kind of cruising
around bumping to the grocery store it was better so uh i've always wanted a 911 turbo it's always
kind of been my dream car that was a car that i had on my wall as a kid that's a car that was the
all conquering all you know autobahn blasting car that was something that i've always wanted
and so our friends over here at selton happened to have a 997.2 turbo for sale and those cars
have gone through the roof because to me tommy the perfect decade for cars is like the 2000
to 2015 era and that's because there's just enough technology to make them drivable as a
modern car but there isn't so much technology that you're overwhelmed with like having the
vent controls in the screen or having all this adas which makes driving them just a huge pain
in the butt and so that is a perfect era of car and in 2010 the 997.2 came out and it went away
from the metzger engine to a direct injected engine and a lot of people like the older ones
but the 997 is having a moment prices on the turbos are up like 50% so when they had one i
thought well maybe i could trade both the 996 automatic and the c2005 for the 2010 turbo and
that's exactly what we did yeah exactly and do you like it i love it good i just love it there's
there's issues we're sorting them out and the reason i'm saying this is first of all if you do
like that 911 that i had the one with the 104,000 miles 997 per era 2s it's for sale right now i
think they're selling it for 45 no 55 55 thousand dollars yeah so if you want it it's on their
website uh check out selton i mean we did end up ultimately dumping a lot of money you knew it
so we put a new alternator in it um we put a new air oil separator in it yeah the alternator took
the window regulators are new our friends at michelin gave us new tires so there's brand new
michelin's houseport for us so thank you michelin you put a different radio in it with carplay so
like we didn't actually really make any money in it by the time we traded it in we were actually
probably lost some money on it but it still is an excellent car um and and really fun to drive yeah
and so that car is for sale and i gotta tell you tommy i love that turbo good that's great it's
got 60 7 000 miles it's very fast i think it's a three second car zero to 60 so we'll be doing
videos on that we did our first which will be comparing the blue car this car is silver to the
silver car to the turbo i just drove it up the mountains it's scary fast in fact the problem
with it is you're doing triple digits before you know it yeah like seriously like before you know
it like i was going up i 70 and i needed to pass a truck because it was throwing up rocks i'm like
i'll just get into the turbo and next thing you know i'm doing 100 plus yeah like like that
and i'm like holy cow i'm gonna lose my license it's that that quick yeah i mean i think that
i i don't know if it's worth i mean it's it's tough to say is it worth the money because the
market dictates we end up paying 105 for it yeah which is which is crazy to me you can buy
a brand new ca corvette for the price of a 15 16 year old 911 turbo yeah the manuals are like 180
so yeah i just i can't i i think it's a hard it's a little hard to justify the value compared
to like a new corvette but it is a very special car to drive and i think like the the 997 911
is kind of the one to get because it's got the hydraulic power steering and it still is a very
visceral car it's when the new ones got bigger and heavier and they got a little bit more isolated
so this is a very desirable car so if that's what the market says it's worth i guess that's what it's
yeah i mean yeah i you know i lose sleep over because i'm like i just we just paid 105 thousand
dollars for a car that's 16 years old with 67 000 miles on it i knew that car was i think 135
yeah so you know basically 30 000 less than what was new yes in 60 000 miles so it would have been a
good well with inflation you would have lost more money but compared to other luxury cars
it didn't lose that much money no no and like i said the if it was a manual it'd be 150 to 180
but the magic in that car is the fact that i think a lot of people right now yearn for an analog
experience they want something that they can touch feel actually operate
with buttons where there isn't a computer between you and the driving experience where the car unlike
the tesla isn't turning left to go to the office when it should turn right something that is tangible
and real and in this case extremely fast and you know the the pinnacle of what Porsche was doing
at the time so if you look at it in that light i think you can see why the value is there also
the car is one of those cars that is small we we had the c4 the new one 2025 what do you think of
that car i mean i'm not like it was also the head yes it was a target yeah i i it was a little bit
it was fine i don't i just like it kind of didn't didn't like it didn't make a lot of great noises it
was very fast it handled great but around town it just felt kind of boring like it didn't kind of
give me much fizz it was great on the back road incredible on a nice road but just as an everyday
driver i don't think it sounded that great it didn't ride badly but it also didn't ride that well it
was just kind of in this no man's land of being fine what do you think of the new turbo i like it i
like it more i definitely like it more i'm just i don't think i'm a 911 guy okay yeah i think that
i like that car because it's so fast and that's very cool to me um but i just i think like that for
the money i think i'd still rather get like a c8 corvette but as a as a car to put money in i think
that it's a good place to keep money because i don't think people are gonna gonna go down in value
also it's a much smaller car yeah for sure four inches but it feels shorter yeah four inches
shorter but it feels much smaller than the current crop of 911 definitely and of course
everybody today wants the rs models because they're very analog or the gt3 rs if we're being specific
about it right uh but those cars are 400 350 000 and you can get that experience
i think in the 2010 997.2 without having to go to it i love that i think the car is great i love
driving it um like once again i think on a good road there's there's nothing better yeah so so
there'll be a lot of videos coming the one that i really want to do is i want to race our brand new
06 c8 versus this old versus new once we get a drag strip back i think that's going to be a much
closer race than you think because the turbo puts out 500 horsepower this one has a cob tune on it but
it's also the sport and the sport plus buttons aren't working so selton's going to hopefully get
that fixed because i think that's important yeah because that changes a lot of things it only changes
the the throttle response it also changes as an over boost feature it also does launch control and
if those two features aren't working they should be it's not like you know the heated seats aren't
working which by the way they are good that's great news and the cool seats that's great yeah
that's great but but there is if you guys really want um the pinnacle of cars i think like the
2005 2015 is the era to go right same thing with our i8 it's also yeah i love the i8 yeah where
you have enough technology to have car play and to have you know all the modern conveniences but
not so much that you lose the the analog feel of the car yeah all right so you said you're not a
911 guy how about a 356 b guy i do like that car a lot yeah so wait i just think about what i just
said we haven't introduced what car we just bought so i was going to pitch to all right yeah so explain
the story behind the the 356 well like i said some cars find you and this car found me this is our
newest newest newest purchase which is a 1962 uh Porsche 356 b which is kind of the wellspring
of all 9 11's this is where it all leads to eventually i mean they're earlier versions there's
an a and then there's a pre 356 but basically this is this is the start of Porsche after uh
fernadette Porsche went from making Beatles to making Porsches actually well tanks he went
from making Beatles and then tanks for Hitler yes and that's not whitewash that he tried to
design a tiger too let's not whitewash that and he did the beetle for you know for Hitler as well
but his son uh fernadette right well what was Porsche's name first name i'm not good with like
names fernadette where's his son um fairy Porsche no that's the current guy no he's long dead is it
i think it's fairy Porsche anyway so he he he kind of you know set Porsche on this course i'm building
the 9 11 uh and so it's kind of the the fountainhead for all 9 11's all Porsches actually and so
i've always dreamed of owning one of these and when i was on craigslist and i saw this car pop up
i thought you didn't but when i was a kid you didn't like these i remember you called them
bathtubs yeah yeah but as i've got things change as you get more into the brand then you start to
understand it and the value of these actually are coming down they're down like 30 percent and that's
because the people who collect these are are dying once upon a time this was like like if you were
in america in the 60s you could have bought a c2 for how much well i mean you you could have bought
a Corvette with 350 horsepower you know and and this this huge rumbling va or you could have spent
a lot more money in about a 90 horsepower bathtub so it was kind of a hard it was a hard argument
to make but if you know you know yeah so these cars were incredibly dynamically right they could
out corner anything on the road and they were very competitive in races because they handled so well
so yeah i so you found this car in craigslist it belonged to an older lady and her husband and
her husband drove for like 25 years and then unfortunately got dementia and was the he was
a CU professor yeah he wasn't able to drive the mechanical engineering CU professor it had been
taken care of here in boulder by a local mechanic for 25 years and she was trying to sell it for
her husband they were asking 62 for it which i think is a fair price i offered him 55 i'm not
trying to rip anybody off but i felt like this car had issues which it does and so they said yes we
bought it for 55 000 and then i took it to the mechanic who took care of it and he showed me you
there's two kinds there's the original kind and then there are outlaws and the outlaws
have upgraded engines yeah and this has a this was a sports um super 90 so it had like a higher
it's got more compression in the standard car it's got um you know it's like the whole engine's a
little bit hotter different carburetors but it's not the engine it was born with right so it's not
numbers matching but for the price it's about as cheap as a running and driving 356 comes because
a good one's going to be well over 100 000 now so 55 is a that's so much money and it terrifies me
but it is mechanically very sorted it's had an engine rebuild it's been converted to disc brakes
the steering's great um i mean electrically everything works in the car so i love except for the
clock that's the radio started working yeah the radio came back so i love this car and what i love
about this car is that it is so scruffy it has lived a life i mean i what if you look at like
the paint like there are areas where it's cracked and there's clearly bondo underneath it like the
roof is all faded and it it's chipped but i was talking we just took it to a local car show and
i had a 356 um judge come up to me and and he was like wow to see a car like this he said you can
buy a perfectly restored one tomorrow you go on the on 356 registry you can see the paint there
yeah but that is like i just think it is so appealing and there's so many people at this
car show that they love the patina but you are dying to paint this car well i took it to a local
guy who does these cars and we discovered that there's only three places where there is no filler
and that is on the hood on the actual hood has been replaced the actual hood the roof uh and the
and the trunk basically the engine cover right everywhere else there's bondo the car was actually
crashed i guess this was very common sure uh so the whole front clip well i think it was race
because it actually has anchors for a harness in it so it may have probably crashed on a racetrack
as a lot of these were right yeah so um it's gonna you could easily spend $50,000 restoring this car
i think you could spend $150,000 and still have a 100000 dollar car yeah but i mean so
you're you're still really excited about the idea of painting it but like everybody at the car show
love the patina yeah if you go to the front shot col you can really see just go to the nose you can
really see the amount of rock chips rock chips on it these guys drove it all over the country
and so it does have an incredible amount of patina but the chrome is pitted of course the car is full
of filler the other thing that worries about the filler is that there's rust underneath the filler
and so the longer you wait the worst it's going to get which is odd for a colorado car i mean at
this point i don't think it's going to get much worse it could get worse like it's not going to
my tedax about this because i had some rust in a previous car and he's like if you just drive it
in colorado keep it out of the rain it's not really well how do you keep it out of the rain if you
drive it well you don't take it out in the winter he said you could even drive it in the rain just
don't take it out in the snow the car the our climate is so dry it's not going to progress
any well beyond this i just think that if you paint it and restore it you just got
another nice 356 you're not going to want to drive because you're going to be in it a hundred
20000 dollars well there are also different kinds of paint jobs and this is also
a problem so you could do a concourse paint job which is like you said is going to be fifty to
100000 dollars where you're going to you have to take the car down the metal you have
to remove the bondo you have to fix the rust underneath sure then you have to epoxy it then
you got to put new filler in then you got to put new paint and you know then you got to buff the
paint and this is why it's so expensive because at some point you are completely refurbishing
the car but like k said it's like pulling a string on a tapestry so if you do all that
then you're going to want to redo the chrome you have to and then you're going to have to redo the
all the rubber gaskets you have to and now the interior needs redoing but that's even on a cheap
paint job like you can't do a cheap paint job and and still leave the chrome but let's not talk about
cheap let's talk about let's let's use the right terminology so that that would be a concourse
restoration you could also do an auction restoration on the paint job yeah what's the difference a
people don't get that up close to the car so that that level of paint job isn't as good but you
still have to fix the rust I mean if you're taking the car down you can't put bondo over bondo
right or you could do you know a basic paint job the problem is this is a potentially 100 to
$150,000 car and if you do just a crappy paint job on it it's going to reflect in the value of
the car eventually right and so the question is do you spend you know a lot more money painting it
actually fixing it or do you spend a lot less in which case it's going to be worth a lot less
you could do a driver paint job or and let somebody else do it or what if you spend $0 on a paint job
and just enjoy the car as it is because it runs and drives so well and what what I'm worried about
because this is a reality like this car is valuable as it is and you're already worried about it
you know even scruffy like this if you spend $50,000 painting on it you're never going to want to
drive it because it's going to be too nice to use right and that's what a second guy at the car
show said he's like I would just leave it like this is and drive the wheels off of it because
you're in a unique situation with this car where it's valuable I would think there are more there
are more perfect ones and scruffy ones nowadays yeah so that makes this rare right the scruffy one
is the car that that is in some ways more desirable because it's lived that life right it's got the
stories but tell me there's also part of me that that's like wearing nice clothes that's like having
nice haircut right you don't want to present a scruffy version of yourself so I get it you you
have you know a much different standard for what you want to present when I go out and I have this
car I also I get that the true enthusiast also wants to show the patina and a lot of people will
be like wow isn't that you know a wonderful patina on it but at the end of the day I'm not proud of
the car because to me the car looks like it needs love and also I'm at the point of my life where I
like fixing things I like passing stuff on to the next person I'm not 29 years old where I've got
another 40 50 years of my life to enjoy a scruffy car I've got you know probably 20 years left in
my life and so I I have earned the right but we're over all the hard work I did to present something
that I am proud of that makes me feel happy and it doesn't make me feel happy driving a scruffy car
I get what you're saying and when you're 29 you have a different outlook on life it's cool it's
to me it just looks very scruffy and it just calls out for needing and wanting to be restored
and I kind of want to do that because that's what the car deserves but I think the car deserves
to be driven that's what this that's what the story is I will I will not what you said was
absolutely wrong if I fix this car up if you spend let's say realistically it's $60,000 if you
spent 60 grand I will drive it I will be happy to drive it and you'll leave it parked at Whole Foods
and not worry about it and you'll you'll you'll take it there's a price to pay for that but
what you said is that I won't drive it is absolutely not true I will drive it and I will
take it out on a nice day and I will feel good about driving it and it won't be a garage queen
but it'll also make me feel happy because the car is now something by the way the paint on this was
originally silver there are very few black ones apparently so somebody painted it black at some
point sure but you you want something and maybe you'll understand this when you get to be my age
you'll understand that that is something that you've earned the right to do you spent your whole
life working and now you want to spend that money on something that you feel is valuable
and so to me restoring it would make me happy what would make me happy and I realize this
because we've done it with the old g-body is where it takes five years and the car is never in your
possession and then by the time you get the damn thing back you're so pissed at it because it's
taken so much time and effort that you that you no longer enjoying the car so you just want to get
rid of it that that that would not make me happy but actually if we could find you know a process
where you could do this relatively quickly with somebody who's an expert who knows what they're
doing and who can do it in months instead of years then yes I would be willing to spend the money
because I feel like I've earned that money and I want to spend it on this and it would make me
happy and I would drive it and yes I would be worried about parking it in the Whole Foods
parking lot but I would do it anyway I think the reality of restorations especially to this level
is there just multi years you're not going to find someone that can do
metal work I already found somebody who said you could do it in two months already I already
have one person who's willing to do it sure but the quote and the reality I think are different
right and I don't think especially a full color change if you want to do a color change in this
car the interior has to come out I'm not saying we have to do a color change you could keep it black
I would I don't like black you know my my my issue with black cars is they don't photograph well
look I think realistically if you take that paint off you might as well do a color change
there's going to be so much metal work to do that you're if you're going to spend the 20 you're
going to spend 60 that I think that's just the reality of car restoration. Another problem is
you know from a business standpoint it makes no financial sense at the end of the day this
still is a business I'm not doing this as a passion project this is a business and we have to pay the
bills and pay the rent and putting like I said a 100000 dollars into a car that is going
to be worth you know a 100000 is not worth it like I understand I understand that but
you should also understand why there is a part of me that really does want to restore this I do but
I think it's also important to realize like once again when you say I do but I do and you're
completely discounting the last five minutes of things there's the but means I do but I have my
own opinion and I'm not really taking years into account there's no need to be upset about this
I'm not upset I'm just talking about paint on an old Porsche here I'm just saying what what I'm
hearing is I do but I don't want to do it so here's my reason for not doing it and I think
like financially one of the other 356 guys I was talking to there said if you wanted to buy one with
good paint right you you can do that like he suggested at that point that there were two cars
this cars and coffee right two 356's and they were all like we love it it's wonderful it's
harder to get you know all these things and yet both of them had restored their because at this
point that a car like this doesn't exist that one guy bought his car it's not what they say but
what they do but that the one guy bought his car in pieces in pieces so he had to pay but he couldn't
he couldn't he didn't have to pay he could restore it to a driver but he didn't have to he didn't
have to take the loving care did you see like the little six-fold sticker yes but he did he did have
to paint it please listen to what I'm saying yeah listen to what I'm saying and just for a second
just don't be so set in your point of view you have to be upset it's not about paint on an old
trying to get you to listen to what you're saying you want to make it nice no no you're not hearing
what I'm saying what there's more to what I'm saying than what you're hearing what I'm saying is
people will tell you that they want the scruffy one but in my you know 60 years on this earth
I listen to what people do and not what they say so and the fact is that both of these guys have
said it's scruffy we love it you shouldn't restore it and yet they both restored their cars they
could have kept their car scruffy he could have bought it he didn't have to shower it with money
and love right he could have kept it as a driver he didn't have to do it wasn't a driver you know
but drive it but he could have just put it back together and left it scruffy it was full of holes
you can't put together car full of holes it's not an option and the other guy did the same thing
he also restored it so let's let's look at the market because you're a watch guy now what is more
valuable a Rolex from the 60s that you fully restore or a Rolex with scratches on it that's been
used and has the original movement and is a little tired
it depends Tommy you know that Rolex that you're wearing was my father's at your grandfather's
right so that has a lot of intrinsic value from an emotional standpoint so it's a one
of the few yeah for sure battery powered Rolexes they made them in the 70s and the 80s right crystal
yeah it's not it's not self-winding yeah and so value-wise it's like a $5,000 watch yeah
and I told you I sold it because I was kind of fooling you with it I wanted yeah and I was really
sad but to me the value there is the fact that it was exactly it was your your father's
it's not that's gruffiness it's the fact that your father my father your grandfather owned that watch
and so to me that has a lot of intrinsic value and I understand that in this Porsche somebody
has driven it and they've put a lot of miles on it and so what you're saying is the car has
this intrinsic value because it shows the patina thing that it's had but to me that
somebody has the guy who drove it and the person who had it before in California I don't know who
those guys are I have no emotional connection to those people so just because somebody else you
know drove it around the country right you know doesn't actually provide any emotional value to
me no I agree I'm but I'm asking regardless of the emotional value if you looked at a 1960s Daytona
that was scratched in original movement versus one that was fully polished in a store I'm asking
genuinely which would be more valuable yeah the the old one would be more valuable okay but but
that's a that that is not necessarily the case with cars it's the exact opposite obviously a
pristine 356b with a with a matching engine number right those cars are between let's say 120
and 180,000 a scruffy one which is bought for 55 that's the market so the restored ones have
more value that doesn't mean you're not going to spend more money restoring it right it just means
that the restored ones have more value than the non-restored ones well I don't think I'm going to
convince you I hear your argument I appreciate your reasoning for doing it let's go to the comments
here um let's see Jonathan is in the live chat on patreon.com slash tfl car regards to the Ferrari
he says this car does look terrible but I'm not sure Ferrari has made any truly beautiful cars in
the last 15 years cool sporty angular yes but truly beautiful I don't think so um okay good point
yeah he goes on to say he's gonna miss the fiat um he's in the don't paint it class um and if you
guys want to be involved on the patreon patreon.com slash tfl car we'll try to give you guys more
warning next time so you you're not just blindsided by these but I'm genuinely curious to see what
people are going to say in the comments on the paint discussion I think most people will say
don't paint it I think so because nobody I've talked to like even case really thinks we shouldn't
paint it um he definitely thinks we shouldn't paint it right uh so I'd be curious to see what the
YouTube comments like I also said I think it's I was doing a lot of thinking about this I also
think it's different from a 30 year old perspective from a 60 year old but all the guys that came
up to me were like 80 they were all old but they all they all restored their cars yeah but the people
that didn't have them I'm saying like there were a lot of people like a couple guy the Ferrari guy
came up and said oh this is so cool to see one that has like chips on it he's like you always
seeing beautiful you get there's a there's a million beautiful ones in the world that's great
for him I'm really happy that he should go buy a scruffy one then if he wants it but it's not
his car right it's it's it's the end of the day it's it's the thing that makes me happy and you
have to understand and I we've gone down this road I don't want to like beat a dead horse but
when I'm in that car and I look at the scruffiness it reflects badly on me and my care of the car
and I get that the cool enthusiast thing is show the patina but at the same time it's like wearing
a dirty set of clothes or dirty set of pants it bugs me but the question you're going to have to
balance is are you going to be happy driving a car that shiny yes in 18 months yes that you spent
$60,000 I was just listening to Smith and sniff and they were talking about the Rolex thing
once again we're back to anyway Johnny Porter I forget I don't know I don't listen to that
what I'm sorry anyway he had a buddy who bought a Rolex Deepsea and he's you know it he spent a
lot of money on it the James Cameron and now he said he's afraid to wear it because it was so
expensive and it's so valuable that if you wear it you potentially take the the value I'm not in
that camp I have no problem driving vehicles okay I don't give me a car that
I'm afraid to drive name a car the m6 you sold it because he didn't like driving it it was too nice
no I told you because I didn't like driving well you told me that you did you told it because it
was too nice I like driving it wasn't that fun to drive all right guys leave us a comment below
what you think oh Sean's in the comment yeah he says it's always fun to see patina on other people's
cars yes true that my man thank you Sean all right guys well drop us a comment below what you
guys think of our argument today yes it was another mica family and we're in session we still
love each other don't worry we'll see you in the next one bye
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After a fleet update, the hosts kick off with Tesla Full Self-Driving quirks—like prompting for a reason when you intervene and routing differently for work vs. home. The conversation then pivots into Ferrari’s limited-production strategy and how brand image, not just specs, shapes demand. From there, they zoom into classic-car buying and spending: a barn-find C3 Corvette, a 2005 997 Carrera 2 S with seat issues, and a 2010 997.2 Turbo—plus a deep dive on Porsche 356 restoration costs, patina vs. pristine value, and whether to drive or preserve.
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