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“We’re Buying Deeper!” How AI-Powered Sourcing Is Solving Used Car Acquisition (+ Scaling Secrets) | Sam Hatch, General Manager at JRR Motor Sales

“We’re Buying Deeper!” How AI-Powered Sourcing Is Solving Used Car Acquisition (+ Scaling Secrets) | Sam Hatch, General Manager at JRR Motor Sales

Car Dealership Guy Podcast May 05, 2026 39 min
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About this episode

Sam Hatch traces his path from traveling car sales to running a used-car operation built on relationships, process, and aggressive sourcing. He explains how his store leans on 30 years of wholesale connections, auctions, boots on the ground, and Facebook, then shows how AI and simple automation help streamline pricing and inventory workflows. The conversation also digs into why he moved his top salesperson into a buying-center role and how disciplined acquisition drives profit.

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Company

Vauto

"Why hasn't Vauto made it to where it automatically puts my cost to market? I throw it on a spreadsheet and I can say how many cars can I buy at a list of 95%"

Vauto is a dealer software tool. It helps dealers find and price used cars, and the speaker is saying it doesn’t fully automate their pricing math the way they want.

Concept

cost to market

"Why hasn't Vauto made it to where it automatically puts my cost to market? I throw it on a spreadsheet and I can say how many cars can I buy at a list of 95% deducted by my threshold of where I need to profit, right?"

“Cost to market” means figuring out whether the price you pay for a used car still makes sense compared to what similar cars sell for. If there’s not enough room for profit, you don’t buy it.

Concept

recon

"So my pack, my profitability, recon, transit, whatever. Why can I create a spreadsheet that automatically plugs all those in and I can see every single car?"

“Recon” is dealer shorthand for reconditioning—work done to bring a used car up to retail-ready condition. It can include mechanical repairs, detailing, and cosmetic fixes, and it affects the true cost of acquiring the vehicle.

Concept

transit

"So my pack, my profitability, recon, transit, whatever. Why can I create a spreadsheet that automatically plugs all those in and I can see every single car?"

“Transit” here means the shipping/transport cost to get the car from where you bought it to where you keep it or sell it.

Company

JRR Motor Sales

"Today I'm joined by Sam Hatch, general manager at JRR Motor Sales. As used car acquisition becomes increasingly difficult for both franchise and independent dealers, Sam explains how a boots on the ground strategy paired with AI automation is solving his inventory problem."

JRR Motor Sales is the used-car dealership where Sam Hatch works. They’re talking about how their buying process and logistics help them get enough cars to sell.

Concept

boots on the ground strategy

"As used car acquisition becomes increasingly difficult for both franchise and independent dealers, Sam explains how a boots on the ground strategy paired with AI automation is solving his inventory problem."

This means having real people doing the work of finding and checking cars. The idea is that software helps, but humans still do key sourcing tasks.

Concept

AI automation

"Sam explains how a boots on the ground strategy paired with AI automation is solving his inventory problem. Sam breaks down the radical decision to move his best salesperson into a buying role and why most dealers are looking at their data all wrong."

AI automation means using computer intelligence to do some of the dealer’s work automatically. In this episode, it’s used to help find and price enough used cars.

Concept

credit pull

"[188.9s] I came from a store where if an up came in, it was a 100% credit pull. [193.0s] Like you got your deal split, couldn't take another up if you couldn't [195.2s] pull their credit, right?"

A credit pull is when someone checks your credit history to see if you qualify for a car loan. The speaker is saying their old store wouldn’t proceed unless they could check and verify credit.

Concept

deal split

"[193.0s] Like you got your deal split, couldn't take another up if you couldn't [195.2s] pull their credit, right?"

“Deal split” is a way dealerships break up how a car deal is handled and paid out. In this story, it matters because they couldn’t move forward with another customer if they couldn’t get the credit check done.

Concept

mailers

"[201.9s] What was one of the biggest things in the auto industry for mailers? [206.9s] It was called the money Carlo, which is like horrible. [209.9s] The triple sevens."

“Mailers” are ads sent through the mail to get people to come in and shop for a car. The speaker is talking about what those ads were like and what customers thought they’d get.

Concept

money Carlo

"[206.9s] It was called the money Carlo, which is like horrible. [209.9s] The triple sevens. [210.7s] Everybody thought they want something coming in there."

“Money Carlo” is the name of a car-ad promotion the speaker is talking about. They imply it was kind of a gimmick that people still reacted to.

Concept

triple sevens

"[206.9s] It was called the money Carlo, which is like horrible. [209.9s] The triple sevens. [210.7s] Everybody thought they want something coming in there."

“Triple sevens” sounds like a catchy name for a promotion used in car ads. The speaker is saying people thought they were getting something valuable when they saw it.

Concept

exit acquisitioning

"A lot of these dealerships were working towards exit acquisitioning and a way for them to get the best numbers that they could possibly produce was they were doing these super sales religiously, which I found fascinating."

This phrase sounds like a business plan where a dealership is thinking ahead about how it will eventually “cash out.” So they try to buy and sell cars in a way that sets them up for a better outcome later.

Topic

traveling salesperson

"What lessons did you learn about selling cars as a traveling salesperson that help you today? Like what are the tips to being a great salesperson that you learned on the road?"

This is a salesperson who travels to different places instead of staying in one dealership. They help find and sell cars by working with people in multiple areas.

Concept

integrity (sales ethics)

"I will tell you the thing that I had to hold above all next to God was like integrity. And I never looked at it like I was selling somebody a vehicle. I always looked at it like car creating a relationship."

Here, “integrity” means doing the right thing when selling a car—being honest and treating the customer fairly. It’s about making sure the customer has a good experience, not just closing the sale.

Concept

pre-purchase inspection (PPI)

"[479.9s] You saw a ton of sales quick and it was fueled by special promotions. [485.2s] So there's a level of excitement. [487.3s] Your traditional salesperson working a dealership six, seven days a week"

A pre-purchase inspection is when someone checks the car (usually before you buy) to look for problems. This helps you avoid surprises.

Concept

dealer add-ons

"[504.1s] tactics that other people were using. [505.7s] Hey, come refinance in six months to a year. [508.3s] You know, fed them this, you know, I don't know, whatever type of line [511.7s] got them by to get a close."

Sometimes dealerships make extra money by adding extras to the deal—like add-on products or services—so the customer pays more than just for the car.

Concept

refinance

"[504.1s] tactics that other people were using. [505.7s] Hey, come refinance in six months to a year. [508.3s] You know, fed them this, you know, I don't know, whatever type of line"

Refinancing is when you swap your current car loan for a new one, often to change the payment or interest rate.

Company

podium

"This episode is brought to you by podium. ... Podium's voice AI books appointments routes calls correctly and escalates when it should based on your dealership's playbooks."

Podium is a company that makes software for car dealers. They use AI to handle phone calls and help schedule appointments so dealers can respond faster and convert more leads.

Term

AI agents

"...thousands of their customizable AI agents are actively running sales and service workflows every day."

AI agents are “do-the-work” computer programs. Instead of just chatting, they can take actions like handling parts of sales or service processes.

Term

voice AI

"Podium's voice AI books appointments routes calls correctly and escalates when it should based on your dealership's playbooks."

Voice AI is AI that can understand what someone says out loud and respond automatically. For dealers, it can help answer calls, schedule appointments, and send calls to the right person.

Topic

unit sales

"What was your record day in unit sales and your record week number of sales sold? I want to say a 10 day sale at 67 cars."

Unit sales just means how many cars a dealer sold. It’s a common way dealers measure how well they’re doing over a day or week.

Concept

subprime

"[740.7s] various but subprime. [742.0s] We were at a kid. [742.4s] We were at a Hyundai store that was buying deeper than, you know, the"

“Subprime” means the customer’s credit isn’t great. That usually makes car loans harder to get and more expensive, so dealers have to adjust how they buy and sell cars.

Brand

Hyundai

"[742.4s] We were at a Hyundai store that was buying deeper than, you know, the [745.2s] Mariana's trench. [746.1s] Every time I go to these stores, they're their auto group, family owned"

Hyundai is a car brand. The speaker is saying they worked at a Hyundai dealership, which is relevant to how they learned the used-car business.

Concept

franchise

"[781.2s] It is the car business. [782.6s] You know, having had all that experience, seeing all these franchise [785.94s] "

A franchise dealership is a car store that sells one brand’s cars under a formal agreement. The speaker is talking about dealership structure and how those stores operate.

Concept

general manager

"So and he basically gave me the ball. He said, Hey, I'll do all of your, you know, what I would call a Comptrolling or controller aspect stuff and buying cars and you sell them and keep up with the sales. And I was a glorified general manager at 23."

A general manager is the person running the dealership. They make sure the different departments work together to hit sales goals and keep the business operating.

Concept

sales manager

"...if I could take a sales manager job at a store, then I got to become general sales manager, that's the type of director, then a general manager..."

A sales manager runs the dealership’s sales team. Their job is to help the team sell cars and meet targets.

Concept

buying cars

"He said, Hey, I'll do all of your, you know, what I would call a Comptrolling or controller aspect stuff and buying cars and you sell them and keep up with the sales."

“Buying cars” means finding and purchasing used vehicles to sell at the dealership. If you buy the right cars at the right price, it’s easier to sell them and make money.

Concept

controller

"He said, Hey, I'll do all of your, you know, what I would call a Comptrolling or controller aspect stuff and buying cars and you sell them and keep up with the sales."

In dealership operations, a controller is a finance-focused role that handles accounting and financial controls. The controller often oversees things like inventory-related accounting, reporting, and ensuring the numbers stay accurate.

Concept

60 month leases

"...just absent doing 60 month leases, just destroying people's lives, you know, just like doing doing things that were much different than I was a cater to..."

A 60-month lease is basically a 5-year rental contract for a car. When lots of cars are leased and then returned after that time, it changes what used cars dealers can find and buy.

Company

Dan Cummins

"...I was willing to go to Dan Cummins at a thousand cars or 800 cars a month store go there and try to..."

The speaker mentions Dan Cummins as someone they’d work with for buying cars in very large quantities. It’s a specific person or operation, not a general car term.

Concept

independent used car operation

"...you're a gentle manager of the independent used car operation and it's interesting because before you open this retail point..."

This means a used-car business that operates on its own (not as part of a big brand dealership group). They still have to find and buy cars, but the structure is more independent.

Concept

wholesaler

"...before you open this retail point, the the individual you work for is basically a wholesaler. So he's moving hundreds of cars a month and decides hey, we want to open up a retail location."

A wholesaler is like a bulk buyer. They buy cars in large numbers and then sell them to dealerships instead of selling to regular customers.

Concept

used car acquisition

"One of the toughest jobs in automotive motive new used whatever is used car acquisition. Where are you getting used cars today?"

Used car acquisition just means how a dealership finds and buys the used cars it will later sell. The hard part is getting enough cars consistently without overpaying.

Concept

wholesale fleet

"Our wholesale fleet is ran off of relationships that have been established over the span of 30 years and we don't have a single buyer for our fleet of wholesale cars that I mentioned online."

A wholesale fleet means the group of used cars a wholesaler has available to sell to other dealers. They’re talking about where those cars come from and how they manage the supply.

Concept

auto auction

"...with who America's auto auction, Mannheim... [1098.0s] But primarily auction auction rooftops dealership..."

An auto auction is like a big marketplace where used cars are sold. Dealers use it to buy cars in larger quantities and often for lower prices than retail.

Company

Mannheim

"...with who America's auto auction, Mannheim, a desk, anybody [1065.9s] who sells cars, any any auction house..."

They’re talking about Mannheim as a place where used cars are bought and sold. It’s part of the auction network dealers use to find inventory.

Concept

trades

"We're getting I don't know how many trades and people that it doesn't work [1074.5s] in the auto. So they send it to us."

A “trade” is when someone turns in their current car as part of buying a different one. Dealers then resell those trade-in cars later.

Concept

wholesale copy

"We're not looking to make thousands. [1079.8s] You know, our average wholesale copy is a couple hundred bucks."

“Wholesale copy” here means the typical wholesale price they pay for a vehicle (their average per-unit cost). It’s used to describe their sourcing strategy and margin expectations rather than retail pricing.

Concept

private party acquisition

"...a lot of dealerships [1103.0s] that we obviously get trades from and then private party acquisition."

This means buying used cars directly from regular people, not from dealerships or auction lanes. It can help you find cars that aren’t showing up in the usual places.

Company

viato

"I'm very largely invested in viato what they use internally to dictate not only my market day supply, but how they come up with the data that creates what I should be putting in a car and what I should be asking for it"

Viato is a software system the dealership uses to help decide what cars to buy and how to price them. It uses data to guide their decisions instead of relying only on gut feel.

Term

market day supply

"...viato what they use internally to dictate not only my market day supply, but how they come up with the data that creates what I should be putting in a car"

“Market day supply” is a way to measure how many days it would take to sell the cars that are currently available in the market. It helps the dealer decide whether prices should be higher or lower.

Term

list

"...my average cost to my car is 84 percent of the market and my average list is 95 percent."

Here, “list” means the price the dealer posts for the car. It’s the starting asking price before any bargaining.

Company

Facebook Marketplace

"...you're big on stock wave, big on Facebook marketplace."

Facebook Marketplace is where people post cars for sale. The dealership uses it as a place to find inventory.

Term

SEO

"...using SEO search engine optimizes how you can optimize a search engine."

SEO means making your listings easier to find on Google or other search engines. If you do it well, more people searching for cars will see your inventory.

Term

spreadsheet

"I throw it on a spreadsheet and I could say how many cars can I buy at list of 95 percent deducted by my threshold of where I need to profit?"

A spreadsheet is a table where you can plug in numbers and rules. The host is using it to estimate which car deals will still make enough money after other costs.

Concept

profit threshold

"list of 95 percent deducted by my threshold of where I need to profit? So my pack, my profitability, recon, transit, whatever, why can I create a spreadsheet that automatically plugs all those in"

A “profit threshold” is the lowest amount of profit you’re willing to accept. If a car can’t meet that minimum, it doesn’t make the cut.

Company

Carvana

"Well, you know, who's not doing that is Carvana. Carvana is using agentic."

Carvana is a big used-car company that sells cars online. Here, they’re being used as an example of a company using AI to automate parts of the buying process.

Term

agentic

"Well, you know, who's not doing that is Carvana. Carvana is using agentic."

“Agentic” AI means the software can do tasks for you, not just talk. It can follow steps to complete a goal, like running sourcing searches and saving the results.

Term

ChatGPT

"Is it is a cloud? Is it open AI or a chat GPT? What are you creating?"

ChatGPT is an AI chatbot. Here, they’re asking whether the assistant being built is based on ChatGPT.

Term

OpenAI

"Is it is a cloud? Is it open AI or a chat GPT? What are you creating?"

OpenAI is a company that makes AI tools like ChatGPT. The question here is what AI platform the creator is using for their assistant.

Term

sensitive data

"So he just it's really specific about sensitive data. So that's what's that's what's kind of funny."

Sensitive data is information that shouldn’t be shared or exposed. The speaker is saying the system is careful about what kind of private information it allows you to use.

Term

repeat script

"So right now I have it running on a on a repeat script to where I pro I just a little bit of code and made a script to where it literally it's just too easy."

A repeat script is basically an automation that repeats a task. Here it’s being used to make the process of gathering and organizing vehicle data easier.

Term

MMR

"...I say, hey, how many cars can I actually buy based off of what I think it'll bring at 100% of MMR based off at CR versus what Viato told me to pay."

MMR is a pricing guide for used cars. It helps dealers estimate what a car is worth by looking at recent sales, so they can decide if a deal is good.

Term

CR

"...100% of MMR based off at CR versus what Viato told me to pay."

CR here sounds like a number the dealer plugs into their deal math. It helps them estimate how much money they can spend and still make the numbers work.

Concept

AI-powered sourcing

"...we've talked a lot on the podcast about how the future of being a GM is learning how to manage and work with AI. You're doing that."

AI-powered sourcing means using computer tools to help a dealer find and evaluate used cars faster. Instead of doing everything by hand, the system helps with pricing and decision-making.

Company

StockWave

"“...insights to data that currently exists in Viato, stock wave and elsewhere?”"

StockWave is software that helps car dealers manage inventory and listings. The host is saying their tool can use data from platforms like this.

Concept

web scraping

"Well, on our Facebook right now, because there are certain scraping restrictions, refreshing restrictions, API restrictions, all these different things, it's really hard to integrate what you're asking."

Web scraping means using software to automatically copy information from a website. Dealers use it to collect lots of car listing data quickly, but websites may block or limit it.

Concept

API restrictions

"Well, on our Facebook right now, because there are certain scraping restrictions, refreshing restrictions, API restrictions, all these different things, it's really hard to integrate what you're asking."

An API is a set of rules that lets one app talk to another app or website. API restrictions are limits on how much or how fast you’re allowed to pull data.

Concept

refreshing restrictions

"Well, on our Facebook right now, because there are certain scraping restrictions, refreshing restrictions, API restrictions, all these different things, it's really hard to integrate what you're asking."

Refreshing restrictions are rules that limit how often you can update or re-check information on a website. That can make it harder to keep up with new car listings.

Concept

chat (AI) for data-finding

"But what I was able to figure out was using chat to help me find the data a little bit easier."

They’re using an AI chat tool to help them figure out what to search for and how to search better. The goal is to find car listing information faster and with fewer dead ends.

Concept

appraisal tool

"The information gets put into there... compiles on to in our V auto for our appraisal tool. I go in there, I check which ones are even within the ballpark or something I can bid it for."

An appraisal tool estimates what a car is worth. The host uses it to decide which cars are close enough to their target price to make an offer.

Concept

inventory tracking

"once we write a check... gets put under our spreadsheet and then I track its existence in my inventory track when it gets sold track how much you get how much I made off of it."

Inventory tracking means keeping records of each car from “we bought it” to “we sold it.” They’re also tracking how much money they made on each one.

Term

DMS

"So what DMS retail we use. We use dealer track across the board."

DMS means “dealer management system.” It’s the computer system a car dealership uses to organize inventory and manage sales paperwork. They’re saying they use different systems depending on whether they’re doing retail or wholesale.

Company

dealer track

"We use dealer track across the board. We use Cox across the board for every everything we have."

Dealertrack (spelled “dealer track” in the transcript) is a dealership software tool. They’re saying they use it for their whole operation. It helps them manage the business side of buying and selling cars.

Company

Cox

"We use Cox across the board for every everything we have."

Cox is a company they rely on for dealership software/tools. The point is that it helps them manage or source inventory efficiently. They’re saying they use it for basically all of their operations.

Company

Fraser

"But for our our host operation, we use Fraser just because of the accessibility and how easy the simplicity of it. It is night and day."

Fraser is another company/tool they use for sourcing and running part of their dealership operation. They’re saying it’s much easier to use and works better for their day-to-day needs. The “night and day” comment means the workflow is smoother.

Company

Zurich

"This episode is brought to you by Zurich. Zurich helps dealers operate with clarity, confidence, uncertainty..."

Zurich is the company sponsoring the episode. They’re talking about insurance and dealer support services that help car dealers manage risk and run their finance/insurance side of the business. It’s an ad for dealer-focused coverage and tools.

Term

F and I processes

"...protecting long term value from proven F and I processes and insights driven training..."

“F&I” means finance and insurance. It’s the part of the dealership where they arrange financing and sell add-ons like warranties or insurance. The sponsor is saying they help dealers run that side more effectively.

Concept

wholesale business

"I think is what you said and you said you'd have those cars on your lot if whole if the wholesale business wasn't so good."

Wholesale means selling cars to other car dealers instead of regular buyers. It’s usually a different pricing and profit game than selling retail to the public.

Concept

retail

"...to get a better return selling them to car dealers than you are to consumers retail."

Retail means selling the car to regular customers (not other dealers). The price and profit can be different than selling the same car wholesale.

Concept

market relevancy

"Yeah, we we have dealers that have a way better market relevancy than my little store in the middle of nowhere."

Market relevancy means your cars fit what local buyers want. If your inventory matches demand, you can sell faster and usually make better money.

Concept

clean title

"Nothing Kentucky people look at my cars and the how price how cheap I price them and they're like, is it a clean title?"

A clean title means the car’s paperwork doesn’t show serious problems like being totaled or rebuilt. Buyers ask about it because it affects price and whether the car can be financed or resold easily.

Concept

sourcing these cars

"[1744.4s] I had a guy that was producing 25 plus cars a month from me [1747.1s] off on the floor where I make a boatload of money. [1749.6s] I took him off the floor because I knew how good he would be [1752.4s] at sourcing these cars and he's passionate about it."

Here, “sourcing” means tracking down used cars the dealership wants to buy. It’s about finding the right vehicles, not just any cars that show up.

Concept

transparency

"[1774.7s] I'm hitting up everybody faster than anybody in my neck of [1777.3s] the woods you're not going to get it's going to be hard to [1779.9s] have somebody get there before me have better transparency"

“Transparency” here refers to having clear, timely visibility into the sourcing pipeline—like knowing what inventory is available, where it is, and what the pricing/condition looks like. In used-car buying, better transparency reduces surprises and helps dealers move faster.

Concept

multi-purposed (salesperson → buyer)

"it's an interesting strategy to take your top sales person and turn them into a buyer... re allocating that guy to your buy center"

They’re describing a staffing strategy where a strong salesperson is moved into buying too. The goal is to get more value from that person for the whole business.

Concept

wholesaling

"your buy center is your cell center too because you're wholesaling those yeah yeah so it's exactly there you go"

Wholesaling is when a dealer buys cars and then sells them to other dealers or resellers instead of selling directly to the public. It’s a different sales channel than retail.

Concept

BDC

"yeah yeah he was selling cars off of Facebook already selling he didn't take a single up not a single leader for my BDC came into my dealership selling 20 cars a month okay just posting cars on Facebook"

BDC is a dealership’s lead-generation team. They help bring in potential buyers and follow up so sales can happen.

Concept

paid for organic

"so we started with that basic paid for advertisement that I wanted to train change it to paid for organic which is where I paid to make people naturally see me more"

They’re talking about changing how they get attention online—less just paying for ads, more getting cars seen naturally through how the platform shares content.

Concept

Facebook campaigning stuff

"and that's what we started investing in with the whole Facebook campaigning stuff and marketing and it's been a great success"

This is about running targeted ads on Facebook to get more people to see the cars and contact the dealership.

Concept

wholesale operators

"...there's probably something you know a wholesale operators use car dealers like yourself know something about velocity that maybe franchise dealers don't know..."

A wholesale operator is someone who buys cars in larger quantities and sells them to other dealers. They usually have different buying channels than a typical retail dealership.

Concept

velocity

"...wholesale operators use car dealers like yourself know something about velocity that maybe franchise dealers don't know or appreciate..."

Here, “velocity” means how fast a dealership can turn cars over—buy them, sell them, and get paid. Faster turnover can help the business make money sooner.

Concept

OEMs

"...you've got a speed that you're able to execute with a little faster than the OEMs do you agree or disagree..."

OEM means the original car maker—the company that builds the vehicles. The point here is that dealerships can sometimes move faster than the manufacturer’s typical pace.

Concept

independent dealer

"...at some point hatch you probably said hey I'm better and I want to be an independent use more than I want to be a franchise..."

An independent dealer is a dealership that isn’t tied to a specific brand franchise agreement. The idea is that they may have more freedom in how they buy and sell cars.

Concept

profit strategy

"...first thing is your profit strategy you know when you hear about guys like the Dan Cummins group that has a two hundred dollar profit strategy..."

A profit strategy is how a dealership decides how it will make money on each sale. Some stores aim for bigger profit per car, while others sell more cars with smaller margins.

Concept

buying center

"so I'll tell you one of the things I learned walking away from today bold move taking your best sales person turning him into that by center but talk about a great gift that'll generate use cars that you can sell but then also positions that same person if they want to go back and sell those cars as well"

A “buying center” is the dealership’s used-car sourcing team. It’s the group that finds cars to buy, helps negotiate them, and brings inventory into the store so the dealership can resell it.

Concept

online market

"hatch easier acquisitioning right so we don't we haven't touched the online market at all and people would hate me if I did but that's where I'm going next is I want to"

The “online market” means finding used cars through websites and online listings instead of only through local, face-to-face connections. The host is saying they want to start using those online sources next.

Topic

brick and mortar

"I took a store that is basically brick and mortar hey they have a great process boots on the ground like I said a sturdy imagine if you just took a small adaptation and added to that so that's my goal"

“Brick and mortar” just means a physical, in-person business location. The host is saying they’re starting from a traditional dealership setup and then adding online-style improvements.

Term

OEM name badge

"...we franchise dealers think we have a huge advantage because we've got the OEM name badge..."

“OEM” means the original car maker. The “OEM name badge” is the official brand signage a dealership uses for that automaker.

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