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"We Tripled the Store!" — Critical Playbooks for Used Cars, Service Growth and Beating Big Groups | Kyle Coleman, Rob Ruth, Scott Simons

"We Tripled the Store!" — Critical Playbooks for Used Cars, Service Growth and Beating Big Groups | Kyle Coleman, Rob Ruth, Scott Simons

Car Dealership Guy Podcast Jun 16, 2026 66 min
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About this episode

Dealers talk strategy for scaling used-car stores and service departments while beating big groups. They share how lead volume can drop but quality improves, and how the M&A market is “getting back to reality.” Growth hinges on acquisition playbooks—sourcing “off the street,” building an acquisition team, and using AI for outreach while keeping humans involved. On the service side, they argue experience and trust win, and pickup/delivery plus a $59.99 oil-change promo can lift customer-pay repair orders quickly.

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Concept

blue sky

"everybody looks at we pay, you know, 20 million dollars for blue sky for a business."

“Blue sky” is money paid for a business’s future potential, not just the stuff you can point to like buildings or inventory. Think of it as paying for the store’s earning power.

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M&A market

"But right now what I'm seeing in the M&A market is things are starting to get back to reality."

“M&A” means mergers and acquisitions—basically buying companies or combining them. Here, it’s about dealership groups being bought and sold, not just individual cars.

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Brand

Hyundai

"I looked at this Hyundai store and it was doing very, very well 12 months ago."

Hyundai is a car brand. The host is using a Hyundai dealership as an example of how things can look good one year and worse the next.

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multiple

"And they wanted a 10 multiple 12 months ago. The store is not doing as well now because, you know, there's why."

A “multiple” is a way investors price a business using a ratio. Here, it’s being used to talk about how expensive dealership deals were versus today.

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stair step program

"Well, I'm their stair step program, bloated inventory. You know, big issue, by the way, the the stair step, like that's gotten into, you know, that's crept into the overall zeitgeist."

A “stair step program” sounds like a staged plan with different levels over time. In this context, the host is saying it can lead to too many cars sitting on the lot.

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Nissan

"The leadership at Hyundai came from Nissan. And I was a Nissan managing partner when Nissan went through the struggle."

Nissan is a car brand. The speaker is describing their experience running a Nissan dealership and how Nissan’s dealer requirements and incentives felt complicated during a tough time.

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programs

"So if you overcomplicate a program for a retailer dealer, and then if the team messes it up... So if you would simplify... talking about Hyundai, Hyundai, what they did at Nissan years ago..."

In dealership language, “programs” are structured manufacturer plans that dictate how retailers should operate—often including sales/marketing campaigns, training requirements, and incentive structures. The speaker’s core point is that simpler programs are easier for dealer teams to execute correctly, reducing the chance of costly mistakes.

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incentive issues

"and then if the team messes it up, you immediately go into office that you see, man, you know, we got these incentive issues. We've got these issues."

“Incentive issues” refers to problems with manufacturer or program incentives—such as targets, eligibility rules, or how incentives are calculated—that can derail a dealership’s expected results. In this segment, the speaker argues that when incentives are hard to understand or execute, dealers pull back to avoid repeating mistakes.

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Brand

Honda

"And the reason why manufacturers have excelled such as Honda, such as Subaru, such as I've never been a Toyota dealer, but it's because they keep their programs simple,"

Honda is a car brand. The speaker is using it as an example of a company that makes dealer programs easier to follow.

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Subaru

"And the reason why manufacturers have excelled such as Honda, such as Subaru, such as I've never been a Toyota dealer, but it's because they keep their programs simple,"

Subaru is a car brand. The speaker is saying Subaru tends to run dealer programs in a simpler way, which helps dealerships perform better.

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Toyota

"such as Honda, such as Subaru, such as I've never been a Toyota dealer, but it's because they keep their programs simple,"

Toyota is a car brand. The speaker is basically saying they’ve not owned a Toyota dealership, but they’re still comparing how different brands structure dealer programs.

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Brand

Chevrolet GMC

"I'm actively looking to purchase a second store now after purchasing a Chevrolet GMC dealership back in November."

Chevrolet and GMC are two car brands under the same company. The speaker is saying they bought a dealership that handles both brands, which matters for how they plan to grow their business.

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Kiss

"So you're saying simplicity? Simplicity, simplicity. And you know what? Kiss, right?"

“KISS” is a common acronym meaning “Keep It Simple, Stupid.” In this context, the speaker is advocating for simple dealer/manufacturer programs because complexity increases the odds teams misunderstand steps and miss incentive outcomes.

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Car

Hyundai Genesis

"...ng the Hyundai stores participate in. Hyundai and Genesis are the most expensive per square feet build out ..."

Genesis is a luxury line made by Hyundai. It’s the more upscale version of the company’s vehicles, and it’s often sold through special dealership setups. The podcast is likely talking about how those stores are built and presented.

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redo your facility or build a new store

"So there is a statistic that shows that if you redo your facility or build a new store, you see a revenue increase between 20 and 25%."

They’re talking about remodeling the dealership or building a new one. The claim is that doing so can boost revenue, partly because the store can handle more work and customers respond better to a nicer setup.

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Company

cdgapp.ai

"That's cdgapp.ai or click the link in the show notes. So there is a statistic that shows that if you redo your facility or build a new store, you see a revenue increase between 20 and 25%."

cdgapp.ai is the website for a dealership-focused platform. The hosts say it helps dealers compare their performance and learn what other dealers are doing.

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throughput

"And I've been a part of multiple builds as a general manager. And there is. You have additional throughput. It makes you, it's almost like it changes your belief in what's possible in a store, right?"

Here, throughput just means how many cars the dealership can handle per day or per month. If you have more space and equipment, you can serve more customers instead of getting backed up.

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bays

"You have more bays. Then read that, you know, because like that's the thing is, [..] And they said, well, we can't do service. We can't keep up with service because of this. And I was like, guys, you have, you have nine bays."

“Bays” are the garage spots in the dealership where cars get worked on. If you have more bays, you can usually fix more cars because you’re not waiting for space.

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CP tickets

"I was like, I know a Honda store that did 2000 CP tickets a month with eight bays. I was like, do you want me to, I was like, so, or is he better than you?"

A “ticket” is basically a job order for a customer’s car—what work is being done. “CP tickets” means customer-paid service jobs, and the monthly count shows how busy and productive the service department is.

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customer experience

"You know, so like that mindset, but I will tell you, like, there is something about a customer experience walking into a new beautiful facility. And like, you, you do see a rise in your sales,"

Customer experience is how customers perceive the dealership journey—before, during, and after the sale or service visit. In this segment, the host argues that a new, attractive facility can improve that experience and correlate with higher sales.

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waiters

"We don't want waiters. Yeah. Right. I mean, I think pickup and delivery is the smartest thing ever."

In this context, “waiters” is dealership shorthand for customers who are physically waiting in the store while their vehicle is being worked on. The hosts argue that this creates pressure on advisors and technicians and can lead to skipped steps because everyone is trying to keep the customer from waiting too long.

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pickup and delivery

"Exactly. I mean, I think pickup and delivery is the smartest thing ever. Exactly. Do you do it? Oh, absolutely."

Pickup and delivery means the shop comes to get your car and brings it back after they’re done. It helps you avoid sitting around waiting at the dealership.

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rural market

"Interesting. And I'm surprised because that's usually you see that in urban markets. You're not in an urban market. You're in a rural market."

A rural market just means a less-populated area. The idea is that pickup and delivery can still be valuable when people live far from the dealership.

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Brand

Ford

"Well, they're our benefits. We have a Ford dealership. Ford pays us to do that, though. Well, they do pay."

Ford is the car brand. The point here is that Ford’s program can help pay for the dealership to offer pickup and delivery.

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CSI

"The advisor is on the clock. Okay. We've got CSI to worry about. The customer sitting in the waiting room looking at their watch..."

CSI is a score dealerships use to measure how happy customers are with the service experience. It can affect how advisors are judged and how they manage the process.

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Concept

eight to one used to new

"you mentioned that to me. That's a very, that's very lopsided and it's great. I'm sure it's very profitable."

This means the dealership sells a lot more used cars than new ones—about 8 used for every 1 new. The speaker is saying that kind of mix can be a deliberate strategy.

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fixed operations

"it didn't take me long to figure out the more used cars I sold was growing my fixed operations, [1011.4s] growing service, those growing parts."

“Fixed operations” is the dealership’s service and parts business. Instead of making money mainly from selling cars, you make money by fixing cars and selling parts.

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sourcing from the street

"How did you build that apparatus? Like you mentioned also sourcing [1026.6s] lots of used cars. What's the number that you're sourcing from the street? [1029.9s] So last month we sourced 305 off the street."

“Sourcing from the street” means buying cars directly from regular people. Instead of going through dealer auctions, you find cars where they’re being sold privately.

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fire sale used cars

"liquidated inventory for the, at the wrong time, because I thought I had to, I mean, [1046.9s] it was just cash flow. I mean, we were frozen, Pennsylvania government shut us down, [1050.5s] had to get the, the money turned in again. So we're fire sale used cars."

A “fire sale” means selling cars fast for less money than you’d normally get. The goal is usually to get cash quickly, even if you take a loss.

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wholesale

"everything goes through the roof and wholesale is, [1058.5s] is faster than retail at times, especially in a small market."

Wholesale is when cars are sold to dealers or other businesses, not directly to the public. Retail is selling to regular customers.

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auctions

"we would source 90% of our inventory from the auctions, couldn't buy from the auctions. [1068.8s] We'd just brought people back."

Auctions are places where dealers buy cars in bulk from other sellers. Instead of buying one car at a time from a person, you bid on cars through a dealer system.

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Facebook marketplace

"So literally, I mean, I got on Facebook marketplace myself. I [1078.7s] started messaging people the first day I bought five cars."

Facebook Marketplace is an app/site where people post listings to sell things. Here, the speaker used it to find used cars from regular owners.

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acquisition department

"I knew like, there's something here and we've, we've got to scale it. [1099.6s] And it can't be me every day doing it. So then we're expanding to our sales force. [1104.0s] And then we added a single person that we, we reach out to people to have the car for sale. [1109.4s] And we make it easy for them to sell to us. And then we have six people in that acquisition [1114.8s] department."

An acquisition department is the team that finds cars for the dealership to buy. Their job is to bring inventory in, not to sell it to customers.

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300 mile radius

"And then we have six people in that acquisition [1114.8s] department. We have a 300 mile radius and we'll go to you."

A 300-mile radius is just the distance limit for where they’ll go to buy cars. It helps define how far they’re willing to travel to get inventory.

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PVR

"first of all, PVR was down and FNI did not perform in used cars, service of parts, basically non-existent"

PVR is a dealership tracking number (an acronym) that helps measure how well the store is turning customers and vehicles into money. When the host says it was down, they mean the store wasn’t doing as well on that specific metric.

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FNI

"PVR was down and FNI did not perform in used cars, service of parts, basically non-existent"

FNI is a dealership acronym for a specific money-related performance metric. The host is saying that metric wasn’t doing well in their used-car and parts/service situation.

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return on my investment

"So I started looking and said, okay, when can I get return on my investment? How quickly could I get the money back?"

ROI is a simple idea: how much money you get back compared to what you spent. The host is basically asking, “How fast will this dealership start paying me back?”

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borrowed against myself

"So I borrowed against myself to put down toward the purchase of the, it was 6.9 to buy the dealership"

This means using your own assets as security to get a loan. Instead of bringing in new investors, the host funded the dealership purchase by borrowing against what they already had.

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open book

"it was 6.9 to buy the dealership and I'm an open book. I, people say you share too much information."

“Open book” means being transparent about the business numbers. The host is saying they share information so the team understands what’s going on and why.

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Person

Grant Cardone

"Always it's like real estate, like line of credit. So I learned I was mentored by Grant Cardone."

Grant Cardone is a famous business and sales educator. The host is saying he learned from Cardone and invested in some of his offerings.

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retrai[n] expectations and retrain

"Now a lot of people are no longer there because we had to set expectations and retrain. And I was able to bring a team with"

This is the process of resetting what the team is supposed to do and then training them again to match the new plan. The host is saying not everyone agreed with the new expectations, so some people left.

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Car

Chevrolet Suburban

"We've got $24,000 tracks all the way [1638.0s] up to $100,000 suburbans. So I just got back from the GM meeting."

A Suburban is a large SUV (usually with lots of seats) that many people buy for family use. The host is saying their dealership sells everything from cheaper cars up to very expensive Suburbans.

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franchise

"So I do benefit from being involved with [1650.5s] what I feel like what was available to me at the time, the best franchise that was available."

A franchise is basically the dealership’s permission from the car company to sell its cars. The host is saying they chose the best “dealership setup” they could get.

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Car

Chevrolet Corvette

"So I went through the first pitch out at the baseball. I went to the community college [1664.8s] with a Corvette and 3,800 kids came by and I had the opportunity to speak to them."

The Chevrolet Corvette is a well-known performance sports car from Chevrolet. The host brought one to a school event to get attention and talk to students.

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gross

"So for me, I'm my own worst critic. I sit and take [1740.2s] a look at, man, we've came a long way and people are like, well, you've increased gross by 115% [1745.1s] and only expenses by 4%."

“Gross” here means the dealership’s money made before certain costs. The host is saying they made a lot more money while keeping expenses almost flat.

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expenses

"We've came a long way and people are like, well, you've increased gross by 115% [1745.1s] and only expenses by 4%. How did you do it?"

“Expenses” are the dealership’s operating costs—things it has to pay to keep running. The host is pointing out that costs didn’t rise much compared to the profit increase.

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FTC

"so much opportunity. What the FTC just recently did, leveled the playing field for someone like me."

The FTC is a U.S. government agency that helps protect consumers from misleading advertising. If it changes the rules, car dealers have to show prices and fees in a way that’s easier to compare.

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leveled the playing field

"What the FTC just recently did, leveled the playing field for someone like me."

This phrase means the rules got changed so one side doesn’t have an unfair advantage. In this case, it’s about making dealer pricing comparisons more fair for shoppers.

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accessories

"And then when you get there, they have $2,500 worth accessories that cost them about 500 bucks."

Accessories are extra add-ons the dealer sells with the car, like add-on packages or add-on items. They can make the final price higher than what you first thought.

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dock fee

"I did not have my dock fee on my website. It is on there now. Same. So I'm compliant."

A dock fee is a dealer-added charge for moving the car to the dealership. If it’s shown clearly (or hidden in the fine print), it can make one dealer’s “cheap” price look higher once you add everything up.

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MSRP rebates

"And so the stack that I wanted done was MSRP rebates that the consumer qualifies for discount by dealer dock fee."

A rebate is money back from the manufacturer. When it’s tied to MSRP, it usually means the discount depends on the car’s official sticker price and eligibility rules.

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top of the fold

"Let's put it down at the bottom on the top of the fold. Let's not put it first."

“Top of the fold” means what you can see on a webpage right away, without scrolling. Here it’s about showing the important price information where shoppers will immediately see it.

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Web 101

"I mean, that's always make prices small on the web. Web 101."

“Web 101” here just means basic website basics. He’s saying the pricing should be shown in a way that’s clear and not confusing to shoppers.

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Simons says price

"But the Simons says price, which is our modest Simon says, which is a play."

“Simons says price” sounds like a specific pricing setup or rule their dealership uses. The point is to show a competitive price while keeping the fee/add-on structure clear.

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podium

"So, we do use podium to follow up with our, with our guests and follow up on unsold prospects."

Podium is software dealerships use to message customers and keep leads from going cold. Here it’s being used to follow up after someone shows interest but doesn’t buy right away.

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unsold prospects

"So, we do use podium to follow up with our, with our guests and follow up on unsold prospects."

Unsold prospects are people who were interested in buying, but didn’t buy yet. The dealership’s job is to follow up so they might buy later.

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Company

Cox Automotive

"I'm going to be a, and I know Kyle doesn't necessarily, you know, like Cox Automotive and it had some had a few issues with them, which we talked about last night."

Cox Automotive is a company that provides software and services to car dealerships. Here, the point is that their platform can limit how dealers can message people who are selling cars online.

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buying center

"And also, I am going to start a buying center. So, there was a building on the property that said empty for 10 years. Okay. So, we redid the building and I'm going to be reaching out to Rob..."

A buying center is a place and process for buying cars, usually from people who want to sell their vehicles. The idea is to set up a system (people + tools) so the dealership can acquire more cars efficiently.

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Company

auto trader

"Maybe they'll let you actually communicate with people on auto trader that are trying to sell their car because they can take us dealers off. Yeah. Which I think is the dumbest thing ever."

Auto Trader is a website where people list cars for sale. The speaker’s complaint is that dealers may not be allowed to contact private sellers through the site, even though the listing is public.

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For sale by owner

"So, they're putting it for sale by owner. For sale by owner, you're, you as a consumer, you put your car on auto trader."

For sale by owner means the person selling the car is doing it themselves, not through a dealership. In this segment, it’s the type of seller the dealership wants to reach through online listings.

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net to sales

"people have offered because they know how I perform. I mean, I'm performing, I have performed at [3221.1s] 89 10% net to sales. And I've done that in the past. I'm at 6% now, 6.5%."

“Net to sales” is a way to measure how much profit you keep compared to how much money you bring in from selling cars. If the number is higher, the dealership is usually making more money per dollar of sales. It’s basically a “profit efficiency” score.

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IMR funds

"As a matter of fact, with GM's program, the IMR funds, I signed up with a lot of tools at first [3237.3s] because I must make you, I'm sitting on $100,000 of money."

“IMR funds” are money from the manufacturer that a dealership can use for marketing. The host is saying you have to use it in a certain way and it can expire if you don’t deploy it. It’s meant to help dealers advertise, but it comes with strings attached.

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GM's program

"I'm terribly [3228.8s] efficient in what I do. I'm not the guy that's going to go sign up for all of these tools. [3233.0s] As a matter of fact, with GM's program, the IMR funds, I signed up with a lot of tools at first"

GM’s program here refers to a manufacturer-funded dealer initiative that provides money to support marketing or sales activities. The key idea is that the funding is tied to specific rules and participation requirements set by the manufacturer. Dealerships often weigh the benefit of the money against the constraints and costs that come with it.

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low hanging fruit

"I've just picked up the [3257.3s] low hanging fruit, but I'm that type of person. And maybe it's how I was raised."

“Low hanging fruit” just means the easiest wins first. Instead of tackling the hardest problems immediately, you start with the things that are most likely to work quickly. The host is saying that’s how they began deploying their plan.

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GMR more funds

"Yeah. So you don't, you don't participate in GMR, GMR more funds. Oh, we do two. Do you do [3316.6s] half percent of percent? We do half percent. Half percent."

“GMR more funds” sounds like another pot of manufacturer money for dealership marketing or promotions. The host is saying you may have to put in some amount (like a percentage) to qualify, and if you don’t participate, other dealers will. It’s basically a “join the program or lose the opportunity” situation.

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capacity

"of where do you see the lowest hanging fruit? The lowest hanging fruit. I mean, if we're talking fixed specifically, it just has to come down to capacity, ROs, how many we're touching."

Here, “capacity” just means how much work the shop can handle at once. If they can fit more cars into the schedule, they can do more service and make more money.

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labor rates

"I mean, we just rolled out, you know, labor rates. Yeah. Oh yeah. How many hours sold? Yeah. How many hours sold?"

Labor rates are what the shop charges per hour for the technician’s time. If the rate goes up or down, the price of service usually changes too.

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hours sold

"Yeah. Oh yeah. How many hours sold? Yeah. How many hours sold? I mean, we just rolled out 59.99 and full synthetic oil changes across our group."

“Hours sold” means how many hours of work the shop actually billed customers for. More billable hours usually means the shop is busier and earning more.

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59.99

"I mean, we just rolled out 59.99 and full synthetic oil changes across our group. And I mean, we seen in the first 30 days."

They’re talking about a specific promo price—$59.99—for an oil change. The idea is to make the deal simple and attractive compared to other shops.

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full synthetic oil changes

"I mean, we just rolled out 59.99 and full synthetic oil changes across our group. And I mean, we seen in the first 30 days."

A “full synthetic” oil change uses higher-grade oil made for modern engines. It can cost more than regular oil, but it’s often chosen because it holds up better.

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loss leader

"What was the thesis there? Was it like loss leader or would? Yeah, loss leader. I mean, you know, it was at a unique time right when I ran hit."

A “loss leader” is a deal that’s intentionally priced to be very attractive, even if the shop doesn’t make much (or any) profit on that specific item. They’re trying to bring you in so you’ll do more business with them later.

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independence

"but the other side of things is just, we got to start taking back our customers from the independence. Like that's what it comes back to."

In this context, “independence” means independent repair shops (not dealership service departments). The hosts frame the competitive battle as dealers trying to win back customers from independents by competing on price and perceived value.

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perception

"but the other side of things is just, we got to start taking back our customers from the independence. Like that's what it comes back to. There's this perception that going to a car dealership is expensive."

They’re talking about what customers think is true about pricing. Even if the dealer’s service is actually competitive, people may still assume it’s more expensive because of the dealership brand.

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OEM parts

"Yeah. The fact of the matter is, is if you've shopped your local loob shop, they're more expensive. They get their OEM parts from us. So how do you think consumers believe because they're going to a $10 million facility that their oil change is going to be less going to an independent?"

OEM parts are the same type of parts the car maker uses on the original vehicle. Dealers often use them because they’re made to match the car, which can make people feel more confident about the repair.

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certifications

"In most situations, like one, we have world-class techs that have went through all the certifications that you can imagine. We spent tens of thousands a year in keeping their certifications up."

Certifications are official training credentials for mechanics. The point here is that dealership technicians have been trained and tested to meet the car maker’s standards.

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customer pay ROs

"We've seen almost a 20% increase in customer pay ROs in 30 days."

An RO (repair order) is the paperwork that starts the work in a service department. “Customer pay” ROs are jobs where the customer is paying for the service. They’re saying those customer-paid work tickets jumped after the oil-change deal.

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blended rate

"You're saying blended? Since starting that? Since starting that and rolling that out across our company. Explain that. How does that impact your blended rate?"

A blended rate is an average labor price across different kinds of service work. If more customers come in for a cheaper deal, it can change that average. They’re debating whether their overall average labor rate went down or actually improved.

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MPI

"Well, of course. We do a full MPI on every one of our vehicles. It's a requirement."

MPI means multi-point inspection. It’s a checklist your shop uses to look over different parts of your car and find anything that might need attention. Here, they do that inspection every time someone comes in for an oil change.

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effective labor rate

"Our effective labor rates going to go, you know, backwards, our effective labor rate has increased by $5 across the board."

Effective labor rate is what the shop actually earns per hour for labor, averaged across the jobs they do. If you sell a cheap service, it can lower that average. They’re saying the director thought it would drop, but instead it went up.

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Car

Ford F-150 Lightning

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The F-150 Lightning is a pickup truck that runs on electricity instead of gasoline. It’s built on the same general idea as the F-150, but with an electric motor and battery. People talk about it because it’s a popular way to get an electric truck.

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