Road hazard protection helps pay for certain tire damage caused by things on the road, like nails or debris. It can make a surprise flat or puncture less expensive.
Bundling means getting your home and car insurance from the same company. Often, that earns you a discount.
Car
motorhome
A motorhome is basically a house on wheels that you can drive and sleep in. They’re talking about how it’s convenient because you can stop for meals or use the bathroom without needing a hotel.
In RV context, “hook up” usually means connecting the motorhome to campground utilities (most commonly electricity, and sometimes water and sewer). It’s part of why RV stays can cost money, because you’re paying for the site where you can connect and use those services.
Car
Jeep
A Jeep is a type of vehicle made by Jeep. They’re talking about buying one to pull behind the motorhome so they can drive separately when they arrive somewhere.
A car payment is what you pay each month to pay off your car loan. If those payments are high, it can make it harder to afford a car without stretching the loan terms.
Negative equity means your car is worth less than what you still owe on it. If you trade it in, the difference usually gets rolled into the next car loan, so you end up borrowing more than the new car costs.
New car price is basically the typical cost of buying a brand-new car. If those prices are high, it can be harder to avoid borrowing more money, especially when you’re trading in a car you still owe on.
Seven years is the length of the car loan. A longer loan can make the monthly payment smaller, but you may pay more overall and it can take longer for the car to catch up in value versus what you owe.
Term
devalue
They’re talking about depreciation, which is how a car loses value as time goes on. If it devalues fast, you may not get much money back when you sell it.
Term
build equity
Equity is basically how much of the car you truly “own” financially. If the car loses value faster than you pay off the loan, you might not build any equity.
“0% financing” means you borrow the money without paying interest (for that offer period). That can make the car much cheaper overall than a normal loan.
An electric vehicle (EV) runs on electricity from a battery instead of gasoline. The host is talking about EVs because there are often special deals on them.
A lease is like renting the car for a fixed time with set payments. The host is saying leasing can be a cheaper way to try an EV and then decide later if you want to buy it.
The Mercedes EQS is an all-electric luxury car from Mercedes-Benz. The host is saying you can sometimes find big discounts on it compared with what it originally cost.
Polestar is a company that makes electric cars. The hosts are talking about Polestar leaving the US, which can make it harder to get parts and support later.
Volvo is a car company. Here, it’s mentioned as the brand that will still be around in the US while Polestar leaves, which can affect who can service your car.
Tariffs are taxes a government charges on imported goods. The hosts suggest tariffs were part of why Polestar’s US plans changed, implying the cost of bringing cars into the country became too high.
Car devaluing means the car becomes worth less money. If a company leaves the market, people worry about repairs and parts, so the resale price can drop fast.
Fisker is mentioned as an EV company that didn’t stick around. The point is that when an EV brand disappears, it can be much harder to get parts and fix the car.
Brand
Karma EVs
Karma is another electric-car brand mentioned for comparison. The hosts are basically saying that if a company doesn’t last, owners may struggle to get parts and repairs.
Owners groups are communities of people who own the same car. They help each other figure out repairs and sometimes find parts that work when the official support isn’t there.
Door switches are the buttons/electrical controls in the door that operate things like the windows or locks. If one breaks, you might be able to replace just that switch.
The Fisker Ocean is an electric car. The host is saying that if the car’s computer systems fail, it can become very hard to fix, so people talk about replacing the powertrain with something else.
“LS” refers to General Motors’ LS-series V8 engines (commonly swapped into other cars). The host is suggesting replacing the Fisker Ocean’s original powertrain with an LS engine as a DIY/aftermarket solution when the EV electronics become a problem.
A drive shaft is a mechanical part that sends power from the gearbox to the wheels. If you change how a car sends power (front vs rear wheels), you may need a different drive shaft.
Term
cut and weld
“Cut and weld” means using tools to cut metal and then join it back together. For major conversions, you often have to modify parts so everything fits correctly.
The Cadillac Escalade is a big luxury SUV. The host is using it as a price example—showing that $100,000 now buys mainstream luxury, not just exotic cars.
The Ford F-150 is a popular full-size pickup truck. The host is saying that with today’s pricing, even a truck like this can cost around $100,000 in higher trims.
Car
Chevy truck
They’re using “Chevy truck” as an example of the kind of pickup feel they want. It’s basically shorthand for a new Chevrolet pickup.
The Toyota Tacoma is a popular pickup truck. In this segment, they’re talking about Toyota making it in the U.S., which can change how available and affordable these trucks are.
They’re talking about a new Toyota factory planned for San Antonio, Texas. That location matters because it’s tied to jobs and where the trucks are built.
Concept
agreement between Mexico and America
They’re talking about a trade deal between the U.S. and Mexico. The point is that car parts often cross the border during production, so the rules can affect how hard it is and how expensive it is to build cars.
Car
Nissan pickup truck
They mention Nissan pickup trucks as an example of how different brands can start looking alike. The focus here is on styling, not a specific model.
The Honda Ridgeline is a Honda pickup truck. The host is basically saying it can look like another brand’s truck until you get closer and notice it’s actually a Ridgeline.
Supercharging is Tesla’s fast way to charge an electric car. Instead of waiting a long time, you can add a lot of range relatively quickly at special charging stations.
“Warranty issues” means the car had problems that were supposed to be covered, but the warranty situation wasn’t smooth. The host is saying that can lead to expensive repairs later.
“Out of warranty” means the car is no longer covered by the manufacturer’s included repair coverage. For expensive components (like door mechanisms), that can shift costs to the owner and make problems feel much more severe once coverage ends.
The Tesla Model S is a fully electric car. The point here is that older ones can develop expensive problems once the warranty is over, especially with things like doors.
The Dodge Charger is a famous muscle-car model. The host is saying when Dodge tried an EV version, it didn’t click with the people who usually buy Chargers.
A shared platform means different cars use the same basic “bones” and engineering. That can make it cheaper to build several models instead of designing each one from scratch.
The Silverado EV is the electric version of the Silverado pickup truck. The host is saying it benefits from GM using the same underlying platform across different models.
A universal EV platform is one shared design that automakers can use for lots of different electric cars. The idea is to make EVs cheaper and faster to build by reusing the same base.
Ford is a car company. In this part, they’re talking about Ford’s plan to build many electric vehicles using the same basic platform.
Term
$30,000 EV truck
They’re talking about aiming for a relatively low price for an electric pickup—around $30,000. The idea is to make EV trucks more reachable for more buyers.
The Hummer EV is an electric Hummer vehicle from GM. The hosts are talking about how many they’re selling in the U.S., and whether that demand is strong or weak.
The Chevy Colorado is a mid-size pickup truck. The host likes the newer off-road look and says it has upgrades like better suspension and bigger tires for rougher driving.
Suspension is what helps the truck ride over bumps and keep the tires in contact with the road. Upgrading it usually makes the truck handle rough terrain better.
The GMC Yukon XL is a large SUV with extra space (it’s the longer version). They’re talking about a lease deal and how mileage limits can affect the total cost.
The 2025 GMC Hummer EV is an electric Hummer, using an EV powertrain instead of a traditional gasoline engine. The hosts compare its lease pricing and incentives against other high-end EVs, and they call out how lease mileage charges can change the real cost.
“Due at signing” is the money you have to pay right when you sign the lease. It’s separate from the monthly payment, so it matters when you’re comparing offers.
The Porsche Taycan is Porsche’s electric car. They’re using it as a reference point to say the Hummer EV deal feels like it’s priced in the same league as a luxury EV.
The Porsche Panamera is a luxury sedan from Porsche. They’re using it as another example of “this feels expensive,” like you’d expect from a high-end Porsche.
The GMC Sierra EV is an electric version of the Sierra pickup. They’re talking about a lease price and why lease terms (like mileage limits) can still make it costly.
The Kia K4 Turbo GT is a Kia with a turbocharged engine and a sportier trim level. They’re bringing it up as a new-car example and will talk about it next.
Tread is the rough pattern on the outside of the tire. It’s what actually grips the road, especially in rain, and it also affects how long the tire lasts.
Car
Kia
They’re describing a Kia turbo hatchback. It has a small 1.6-liter engine with a turbo, and it uses an automatic transmission with paddle shifters so you can shift manually.
A shooting brake is a car shape that looks sporty like a coupe but has more space like a wagon. It usually has a sloping roof and a practical rear for cargo.
Paddle shifters are the little levers on the steering wheel. They let you tell the automatic transmission when to shift, instead of letting it decide everything.
The Ram TRX is a super-powerful pickup truck. It’s meant to be fun both on the street and off-road, not just for hauling.
Car
Ram Rumblebee
The Ram Rumblebee is a performance pickup meant to feel more street-ready than a hardcore off-road truck. It’s described as having huge horsepower and a lowered setup for faster, more aggressive driving.
Adjustable suspension lets you change how the truck’s shocks/struts behave, typically to alter ride height and damping. That matters because it can improve both street comfort and performance handling depending on the setting.
Extended cab is a pickup layout with extra space behind the front seats, but the rear doors are shorter than on a full four-door truck. It’s meant to fit more people than a basic two-door.
Nitrous is a system that adds extra power for quick acceleration. It’s commonly used for drag racing because it gives a big boost when you hit it.
Car
SRT-10
The SRT-10 is a special Dodge pickup built for performance, and it’s famous for using a Viper V10 engine. The host is comparing how desirable these trucks are becoming over time.
A convertible is a car with a roof that can open up so you can drive with the sky overhead. The reason people stopped offering them as much is that removing the fixed roof can make the car less stiff and harder to engineer for top performance.
The Chevrolet Corvette is a well-known American sports car. Here it’s mentioned because it’s one of the few convertibles that still manages to keep the car rigid and strong.
The Mazda MX-5 is a small, fun roadster that’s built to feel light and nimble. In this conversation, it matters because it’s one of the few modern convertibles still available.
The Mini Cooper is a small, characterful car that’s known for being fun to drive. In this segment, it’s brought up because it’s one of the few current convertibles.
This is a very rare Porsche 911 GT3 variant that’s aimed at enthusiasts who want a convertible experience. The point in the conversation is that it’s extremely expensive and uncommon compared with normal cars.
Structural integrity means how strong and stiff the car’s body is. A convertible can lose some stiffness when the roof is removed, so engineers may need extra bracing to keep the car feeling solid and safe.
A hard top is a car with a fixed, solid roof. The idea here is that it usually makes the car stronger and less flexible than a convertible, which can improve how it drives.
Term
DTC transmission
DTC transmission likely means a dual-clutch automatic. It shifts gears quickly by preparing the next gear in advance, so the car can feel more responsive.
The Mustang Cobra is a high-performance version of the Ford Mustang. The host is using it as an example of how convertibles used to be more common even on performance models.
“Teatops” means T-tops—two removable roof sections that you can take out to let more air in. The hosts are saying they were annoying to remove and store, and later they became a target for theft.
A Camaro is a classic American muscle/pony car from Chevrolet. This one is from the late 1980s, and the hosts are talking about the removable roof panels (“T-tops”), which made the car annoying to use day to day.
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Man, it is summer. It is summer. And whenever you get summer, you get somebody who disappears.
Somebody who was supposed to be here, and they're like, oh, wait, I'm going to the beach. Oh, I'm
going to the, I'm going to go for a drive. I'm going to go here. I'm going to go there. I'm going to
go on vacation. I'm going to go somewhere. So Aaron's not here again this week. He found something
to do. He's headed out of the country. And I think he was going, where was it, Iran?
No, that was his top choice, but instead he's going to go to London.
Oh, yeah, to see his dad play. Yeah, he's going to go see his dad play.
Yeah, his dad and Mikey are over there with the band. And so he was going to head over there.
And I said to him, I go, dude, it is hot and humid over there. I mean,
like by any standards, it's really bad. And they're having this huge heat wave where places that never
even have heard of the hundreds are like 105 and stuff like that. And he said, yeah, I know,
don't remind me. Yeah. My hotel doesn't have air conditioning. And they said,
we could get a fan if they're available. I'm like, oh, my God.
It's funny is, so when I do car cast, cast with Alistair Weaver from Edmunds.com.
He's their editor-in-chief. He's from the UK and his wife. He is? I never realized that from his
accent. And his wife is French. Okay. So, but he lives out here, like in South Bay. Yes.
Like a couple of blocks from the water. But he just decided to go take the family on a three-week
trip to London and France, which I'm sure is great. But out there, he's like, oh, it's hot. It's the
kids, a lot of travel. And here, I'm like, yeah, it's still kind of breezy and nice at the beach.
Exactly. We'll walk around just shorts and t-shirt and have a nice day.
Well, that's what's amazing is that usually we're the hot, you know, this time of year and like
that in the other parts of the country. But I've been looking at the weatherman and it's like 115
on the East Coast in places, 107, 100, you know, and miserable humidity and everything like that.
And we're like, you said, we're like sitting here in like, you know, the high 70s, the, you know,
at the beach. And then if you go inland, yeah, if you get to Palm Spring, 115. Oh, yeah, sure. Yeah.
I got to go to Lancaster, which those of you that know California. Lucky you.
On tomorrow, I have to go there and it's going to be like 110 degrees. But to all of our friends in
the Midwest and the East and the North and every place that's not Florida or California or Texas,
I know you guys have to put your cars into a hibernation for the winter. And maybe it's an
opportunity to sort of accumulate some parts and get some work done. But now is the time to get
out there and drive those wonderful cars you guys have. But drink water because it's hotter than
hell. Yes. And if you have cooling issues with your car, it's probably not the best. Now, the only
thing is I'm looking at the map. I've been talking about this on every show. I'm looking at that map
and up where I'm going on my motorhome trip, it's like hot. It's like in the high 90s and like,
come on, man. Cool down a little bit before I get there. I'm going tomorrow to take a look at the
motorhome and just check everything out, storage and everything. And it's interesting though,
because for those of you that motorhome all the time, you probably are like, Brad, what are you
talking about? Yeah. But I'm looking at all the places that I'm booking to stay. And
it's like, wait a minute. Other than the convenience of the motorhome and being able to like just pull
over and grab something to eat or use the restroom or whatever, I'm looking at it. I'm going, I could
take a brand new suburban on the road and stay in hotels because by the time I pay for the space to
rent, you know, where the motorhome sits at night and I hook up, it's about the same.
But well, I shouldn't say that. Most of them are probably a half to a third of what a hotel room
would be at most cities nowadays. But it's the adventure, Matt. It's the adventure. And I am
looking forward to it. So we're going to go check that out. It's a different experience. It's
meant to be different. We've done hotels. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking forward to being able to see
that road sign and go, oh, let's pull over there. And Charlotte will probably go, not again, but
that's what I'm looking forward to. Hey, and you know what else I'm looking forward to?
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about. Okay, we're back. We are back. So the motorhome trip, the cars, all that stuff, you know.
I think the motorhome trip is going to be fun. It's a different experience to get to go and
just do it a little different. Like you said, we've, you know, how many times we've done hotels
and stuff anyway. Oh my God, everywhere, you know, and it's always the same thing, you know.
It's, you sit in the room, at least if we're, I mean, dude, I'm all in. I bought the, I'm taking
the dogs. So I bought the fencing that when you open the door, it's all fenced so the dogs can run
out and have their space outside. And, you know, I bought lawn chairs and all kinds of stuff to
put out and it's going to be fun. It's, the only thing I haven't bought yet is the Jeep to pull
behind it. So that'll be the second trip. But the, yeah, so you got all this stuff that's ready to
go. But like you said, you have to go and see where you're going to put it all. Where are you going
to put it all? Yeah. But I looked at the photos of it online and it's got quite a bit of storage
space underneath the master bedroom. So, you know, we're, you know, so what I want to make sure I do
is not put anything flammable underneath there, you know, for multiple reasons, but one, because I'm
going to be sleeping right above it. Yeah. And don't put your dogs down there. Oh, well, I thought
that's where they traveled. No, no, it's not good. You know, like a thing of water and it, right?
No, how big is it? How big is the motorhome? 30 feet. Okay. 30 feet for Charlotte and I and
two dogs, not bad. Yeah. Fine. I have this vision of them, you know, like stretched out on the couch
and just zooming along and, you know, we're trying to figure out what to do for their water dish,
because they drink a lot of water and I'm trying to figure out what kind of water dish to get
them that won't be like all over the floor by the time, you know, I know I could refill it,
put it down when we stop, but, you know, I was trying to see if I could get something that
makes it seem as much like home as possible. Yeah. Okay. The, and, you know, like I said,
you know, second trip, maybe get a Jeep, you know, to pull behind it and, but then I started looking
at the average cost of car payments nowadays, Matt. Right. You know, in the second quarter,
excuse me, the first quarter of 2026, the average American car payment is now $777.
Now that's lucky, triple sevens, but not when it comes down to a car payment. Yeah. That's a lot
of money for anything. So this is an interesting topic. So we dug into this on CarCast with
Edmunds, head of Insights, and she basically brought in and said another thing that's happening is
more and more people are getting into a situation, a lot of times not their fault,
of having to roll in negative equity into the next car loan. Oh, God, yeah. And that's what's
really causing some problems. You know, you're buying a car, you know, for these days,
a car is $50,000 and you're already upside down on payments for five grand, eight grand,
or something like that. So now you got to take your loan out for $58,000 on a $50,000 car. You're
paying more than what it's even worth. Yeah. Well, the average. The vicious cycle. The average
new car price right now is $52,000. So like you said, if you're trading something in that you're
upside down on and why are you upside down? Because almost 25% of all financing is now seven years.
So it's hard to say you're ever going to own that car because it's going to devalue faster than
you're paying off the, you're never going to build equity. You're never going to build, well,
cars, you don't really, unless it's something collectible, you never build equity, but you
at least want to stay with the market. I remember in 2001, when I bought my UConn XL and I bought
it all fully loaded and I went in and my buddy Michael Corey had a dealership in Arizona and I
went over and I said, okay, I want to put 10 grand down and I only want to finance it for two years.
Anyway, are you sure? And I was like, yeah, man. I said, because GM had that really good financing
where it was, I felt like it was their money, not mine, you know? At the time it was like 1.5%
or something. I bought like a year before they did the 0% financing, which would have been,
that's free money there, you know? And I remember my payment was like $865 a month and I remember
thinking, man, $865 a month and I remember Michael going, you know, your payment's going to be like
almost 900 a month and I said, I know. I said, but it's a year and a half and then it's paid off
and then it's mine and it was the best thing I ever did, you know? But not everybody could do that
and I realized, you know, now that's like a lot of people. People's car, I talk to people's car
payments for like $1,200 a month. I'm like, what? You know? Yeah, some even more than that for sure.
Yeah. Oh yeah. But look, there are some deals out there. There's some financing deals that are
out there that are pretty interesting. And, you know, so keep in mind that a lot of the car manufacturers
are pushing cars that aren't selling well or ones that depreciate. So there are deals mostly on EVs.
So if you're looking for an electric vehicle, maybe not necessarily our core audience here on
Chimps and Seer, but if you are, there are some pretty good lease deals on it and that's kind
of how I would recommend you get the EV if you want an EV is you lease it and then at the end,
if you think you want to buy it or whatever. Now, if you do want an EV and you just have cash to
spend, they're also great deals like the Mercedes like EQS, I think it is. Kind of that bubbly,
you know, egg-shaped, you know, EV. It's a nice car. I think it was $90,000, $100,000.
You get one for 30,000 miles on it for half the price, maybe less. You get it for $38,000,
right? So if you just want to buy it outright, go ahead. I mean, Polestar is pulling out of the US.
Volvo is going to be here. Polestar is leaving. So if you want like a Polestar,
they're, I don't know, it's EV3 or I don't know if it's what model designation is.
If you go in and you pay cash, they're taking $30,000, $35,000 off the sticker price. So you're...
What do you mean they're leaving? Are they going out of business?
No, there was... I don't remember all of the details, but there's some specifics on the
tariffs being too much money and some other things that happened very quickly.
They're exiting the US market.
Yes, they're exiting the US market.
I hadn't heard that. That's interesting.
Yeah, but it just happened overnight. It was just like, there was just an announcement and said,
we're going to sell whatever cars we have here, but then we're done. Like, we're out,
we're not doing it. There's some...
That always sucks. That's what always makes me worry about buying anything from one of these
new startups because Polestar had lots of money. They were big. They were going to be the kings
on the block. And now how would you like to own one of those? And you're sitting there going,
no, great. Now what do I do? Talk about car devaluing. Your car just devalued tremendously.
But they're not out of business completely. So the idea of getting parts and stuff is still
available to you. It's different than say like Fisker or the Karma EVs or the Fisker Ocean where
that company was just like, it's just gone completely. So you can't get parts or anything.
There's a few of them here in Orange County I see driving around and I just think,
you poor bastard. You probably bought that thing and, oh yeah, cool. Or they bought one of those
at the giveaway price when they were going away. And you just know one of these days it's going to be,
yeah, we can't fix that. You got a brick. There's like owners groups and they're
figuring some things out and they're finding some compatible parts and they're maybe
trading a few things to try to make it all livable. I guess if you're a little bit tech savvy and a
little bit sort of mechanically savvy, you can probably get away with, you know, like if door
switches go bad, you can go back, well, let me trace the wiring. Let me see where it goes. Maybe add
my own window switch or something like stuff like that. But once the, you know, once. Or you could
just like go to the junkyard, get some door handles and adapt them to your car. Yeah, there's
a latch with a padlock. That would be awesome. See a Fisker ocean and it's got screwed on the side,
one of those, like you see on delivery vans, you know, with the big padlock on it. You know,
once the computer systems fail, if they fail and it bricks your car, it's kind of tough.
At that point, then you look at it. That's when you put an LS in it. That's right. I was just going
to go, oh, I'm going to take the Fisker ocean and, you know, gas engine, swap it.
LS that thing, man. Yeah. See if you can hodgepodge that together, you know.
And I imagine you could. There's probably a version of that where you kind of strip out most
of the electronics, the battery and everything, and then you figure out a way to adapt to suspension.
And maybe it's front wheel drive, maybe do a rear wheel drive, get a drive shaft.
There's plenty of people out there that can cut and weld. You just call up, you get a chassis for
it and, you know, you just drop that body on it. Yes, but now it's $30,000. No, you're more than that.
You know, you're underground into a car that. But you're about for $11,000.
You know, it's crazy though. I can remember vividly when a $100,000 bought you something exotic,
bought you something that was like, wow, you got a $100,000 car, man. Now,
a $100,000 car is a Cadillac Escalade, you know. 100,000 plus, you know.
Yeah. Oh, Alexis, you know, what, Alex. Oh, yeah.
There's plenty of things that are up that much. You get an F-150 for that kind of money.
Yeah, I know. That's what's crazy. I mean, trust me, because I'm looking at new SUVs and I just,
I still haven't pulled the trigger because it's just, God, it just, you know, and then I thought,
well, maybe for a hundred grand, you know, I do like one of those roadster shop
chassis pickup trucks, you know, or something like that. And I, you know, I keep going back
and forth. I would rather drive something like that if it drove like a brand new, you know,
Chevy truck. But I don't know. I just, I just got a,
got a, Matt. You know what is coming along very soon is that Toyota, they're going to start building
the Tacoma here in the United States by 2030. They're putting on a whole new plant in San Antonio,
Texas, and they're, they're dropping about $3.6 billion to do that. But it's also going to add
about 2,000 new jobs down there, which is great for Texas, great for America, and great for Toyota,
because they, they told the administration that they would spend like, it was like $10 billion
over the next 10 years or something on infrastructure here in the United States, which is, you know,
that's fantastic. Yeah, a couple of the car manufacturers that aren't based here
like the big three, they've been making some big commitments to, you know,
steel manufacturing, you know, steel plants, manufacturing plants, lots of stuff to,
you know, in the long run, create a lot more jobs here and eliminate the tariffs on those cars.
So yeah, it should be another thing that the manufacturers are, are working on is
they are trying to get the, gosh, I can't remember what it's called now, but the agreement between
Mexico and America that, that Trump got rid of, because a lot of the parts were made down across
the border. A lot of people would drive across from these border cities and work in a plant over in
Mexico and then come home at night. And they're trying to get that back because a lot like Toyota
is one of them because they're going to build cars here, but they still need to get some of these
parts along that lines. Have you noticed that it used to be when you saw a Toyota or a Nissan
pickup truck, you said right away, wow, that's a Nissan. That's, seems like they're all starting
to look alike. They all kind of have, I mean, even Honda, even the Honda Ridgeline is starting
to look like I saw one the other day and I go, it's a weird looking Chevy. What's different
about it? And then I got up closer and I go, oh, it's a Ridgeline. I mean, it's, I mean,
is it just me or do you see that too? I, I do except for the Hyundai Santa Cruz. Does anybody
buy that the Santa Cruz? Man, you know, there are some cars that you just wonder, how many
do they sell of that thing? You know, because you just, you hear about them and then you never
see, there was one the other day I was thinking about and I went, I got a look, I was so like,
I saw one on the road and I was like, I see so few of those. And then you wonder, okay, is it just
out here on the coast? Is we just don't like certain cars that we see. Damn Tesla, man.
I pulled up to an intersection in my neighborhood. There are Teslas everywhere. Everybody's got a
Tesla and it's probably like that up by where you are too, right? Yeah. So Tesla has surpassed
Toyota is the, is the number one car manufacturer. They did like a million cars last year. Yeah,
it's, and you can see it. I pulled, I was going to Home Depot over the weekend and I'm coming up on
a Tesla and as I pull up to the intersection, I go, wait a minute. And I look and I start counting
and I go, I go, there are six Teslas sitting at this intersection in the various four areas they
could be. And I was like, are you kidding me? Six right here. And then I said, okay, now I got to
count how many I pass on the way between here, like a mile. And by the time I got to Home Depot,
230, no, it was 11. It was 11 of them. And then in the parking lot, I quit counting. I mean, it was
just, it's crazy. I mean, they're everywhere. Yeah. But you know what they are? They're the easy
electric car. They, I mean, you got to hand it to Musk in that he nailed that supercharging
and made it kind of like the, the one you want to have and, and everything like that. And they're
just pretty easy. I mean, they're just, they're effortless cars. And if you want something like
that, people buy them for transportation. And I remember my neighbor, I was pulling in the driveway
about two months ago and he, I hear through the bushes, hey, Brad, hey, what's up, Tom? And he goes,
and he goes, he's, hey, man, I got a Tesla. Come on over and look at it. You know, and I was like,
okay. They were talking, I read an article the other day. What's the model that,
that Corolla had for a while with the doors that open up, up top, like a goal?
Yeah, his wife had the Model X. The Model X. Yeah, the Falcon doors.
Yeah. And they were talking about how think twice before you buy one, because they were saying how
this article that I read was talking about how a lot of people, you know, know they were $100,000
car brand new and there's that $100,000 again. And, and now you can buy them for like $30,000,
you know? And, and they said, but there's been a lot of problems with the doors, I guess, a lot of
warranty issues, a lot of, and now that they're out of warranty, they're super expensive to fix and
things like that. So, yeah. So that one and the Model S, the one that started it all, I think
they, they stopped making those. Right. And, and, and I mean, that's what I see a lot of the,
the second hand Tesla's on the street too. You know, there's like, you see the people
that have the brand spanking new one, the thinner tail lights that are a little bit swoopier,
and then you see a lot of the used ones that people are buying and they're cheap.
That's why. I mean, you can get a Tesla, like a Model S, I think, and the Model,
there's a Model 3, a Model 3. The Model 3 and the Model Y is the, the SUV and the little four door.
Right. And they sold so many of those. So many. You get them for like $20, $25,000.
Yeah. You know, and I mean, that's like, that's like, you know, the only thing you got to do to
them is kind of tires, you know. Yeah. But gosh, I wish I could remember what car that was. I was
thinking of that. I was just like, how, how many have they sold? Because it can't be many. And they
had to have so much into them. And it was, I don't know, what, what's a car you can think of that
you kind of go scratch your head and go, I never see those on the street. How many did they sell?
Yeah. You know, it's funny, we were thinking the Polestar, but that's, you know, I don't see many of
those out there. No, I do see them, but not many. Yeah. Now, those are the EVs. Like when you get
into, you know, whatever we, it is now EV and gas engine, I don't see the new Dodge Charger. It
didn't do well. The EV was terrible. Like nobody wanted it. It was just the wrong customer. It's
not that it couldn't be a good car. It was just, they went from like this whole. I wanted to like
it too. They went from this like brotherhood of muscle, you know, to to EV and it just,
I don't know, it was just kind of, you know, kind of a spit in the face of, you know, the customers
that were supporting that brand and getting behind that muscle hood, you know, brand for so long.
And then the EV, even if it performed well, it wasn't going to resonate with that customer. And
then they put the six cylinder in it and it's got power, you know, we get 500 horsepower, I think
550 horsepower, but without the V8, it's just not going to be the same. So now the question is going
to be on something like that would be, would be, will the V8's, will the V8 help that car or are
people over it? Yeah, it's kind of like an older version now. You know, it aged really quick.
You know, it's one of those, I think that it's going to be tough. It's going to be tough.
People don't want to buy the V8 and have people think it's the EV.
Yeah, exactly. And I saw one the other day and I wanted to like it, but I just didn't like it,
you know. It's just, the interior is nice. It's got more room in it.
There's lots of nice things about it. It's just not, I don't know, it's just not. It's almost
like they took the cool look of the prototype also and rounded off all the hard edges and kind of
made it simple, you know, which also was a problem. That was a problem, I think. You know, they do
that a lot with cars. You see the, you know, we see the prototypes at the auto show or we see them
in a preview or something like that. And then all of a sudden it comes out and it's like,
go, well, that's not what I expected, you know. And what about, I know what it was and I saw it
and I was like, they can't be selling many of those. And then I thought, well, maybe it's just
out here, maybe in the Midwest they're selling more. But the new Hummers, you just don't see them
anywhere and they put a ton of development money into those. So I see a few out here, but yeah,
we see them, but not in any, but the thing about that is that's a shared platform. So that's under
the Escalade and the Silverado EV. So not like the Dodge, Charger where
that's currently their only platform. So if they don't sell it, they lose money on it. This one,
like, yeah, how many Escalades are they going to sell and how many other things are going to sell
that use that platform to help separate that cost? Right. And that's kind of what Ford's big
plan is on having this universal EV platform. The first is going to be their small truck,
their small EV, to kind of compete with Slate. It's a $30,000 EV truck that's developed here
out of Long Beach at their new EV facility. It's not manufactured there. That's where they
design and plan the new EV headquarters is out of Long Beach for Ford. So yeah, kind of interesting.
I'm looking at sales results for the USA Hummer EV. Yeah. How much do each of these cost them?
Okay, 2026. In January, how many do you think they sold? Hundreds, not thousands.
You really think hundreds? If that. 551. That's, I mean, 551. And that was January, February,
March, same number. And then April, May, and June, 649. Now, if we look back to last year,
the whole entire year, they only sold 15,788 vehicles. That's more than I thought.
But that's nothing. I mean, holy crap, that's like, they got to be taping $100 bills underneath
each one. I mean, it's $1,000 bills. I mean, it's that, how long do they sustain it? How would you
like to be a Hummer dealer? Because you're just sitting there going, oh my god, I invested all
this money and I've got inventory out on the lot and nobody wants these things. It's amazing.
You know what's a good looking vehicle though? I've been seeing them showing up and they come
from the factory, kind of hot rotted with kind of an off-road look, but the Colorado's. Have you
seen the Chevy Colorado's with the, you know, they look really good. They've got the upgraded
suspension, the bigger wheels and tires, and like a roll bar and stuff on them. Have you seen those,
Matt? Those Chevy Colorado's, they're nice. They did a great job. They look really good.
The only problem is my full-size pickup truck is not big enough for me. Like, I went to buy some
Lumber the other day and I had to buy some 12-foot-long Facia board. 12-foot-long in that pickup
truck is not easy to haul, you know, because it's, you can't put it on the roof. It's not like my
suburban where I could put it on the roof rack, you know, or 12-foot, you could even open the back,
shove it all the way forward on the center console and fit it in there, but in that short little bed,
I mean, you're up on the roof. I scratched the roof of my truck, you know, I've got the windows
down, the rope going through, you know, probably screwing up the headliner and everything, but
I can't imagine a small truck. I mean, I use my trucks. I need something. It's not just a
pretty little off-road truck to be cruising around town in, but they do look great. I look at them
and I go, man, those are good-looking vehicles. Maybe I should go down and buy a Hummer because
they're probably giving them away, you know. They're actually kind of cool when you see them.
Oh, they are. Yeah. It's, I wonder if there's incentives on Hummers, let's see.
They're probably something. Oh, that's not the kind of Hummer I was looking for, but they got incentives.
Let's see. I got, no, that's not what I wanted, but, wow, they got incentives on Yukon XLs? Didn't
know that. I have to look into that. I can get a Yukon XL 2026 four-wheel drive. I don't need
four-wheel drive. Not only $9.59 a month for 36 months, and then I got to give it back.
Okay. That doesn't make a lot of sense. Oh, a 2025 GMC Hummer EV
is $9.99 a month for 24 months with 12,000 due at signing. And here's what always gets me.
That's Porsche Taycan money. That's Porsche Panamera money. Yeah. And mileage charge is what always
gets me on a lease. 25 cents a mile over 20,000 miles. Out here in California,
you can whip through 20,000 miles. No problem in two years. So, it's, now see on the Yukon,
you get 30,000 miles, but, well, it's three years. That's why. So, $10,000 or $10,000 miles a year.
I drive more than that. I don't want to have a vehicle that I sit there and I go,
well, gosh, I'm going to rent a car. Oh, no, wait a minute. That was the pickup trick. If you want
the GMC SUV, it's $1,099 a month with 13-1 due at signing. And what's the Sierra EV?
Oh, the Sierra EV. While the Sierra EV, you can get for $5.99 a month.
Yeah, that's not bad. Well, that's not bad at all. That's economy car money. But again,
you're leasing it. You don't own it. You're not building any kind of, you can't sell it and use
that money towards your next down payment. It's like, you know, you're just, poof, it's gone. All
the money's gone. So, have you seen that Kia, speaking of new cars, have you seen that Kia
K4 Turbo GT? Yeah, the little wagon. Yeah, well, let's talk about that after we take a break.
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All right, we're back. Man, that seemed like a long break. We must have a lot. We must be making so
much money that those car payments don't even matter. We'll just go ahead and pay cash. We'll
just throw a lot of cash down and go, yeah, man, we want this and they'll go, well, we have to report
that to the government because you came in with $126,000 in cash. All right, so you were talking
about the Kia. Yes, the Kia, the little GT turbo hatchback. It's a cool little car, isn't it?
It's kind of cool looking and in a world of $52,000 cars, which is the norm,
these are, they started $25,000, get up to about $30,000, maybe fully loaded $32,000 or so.
$1,000 and these gas mileage looks cool. It's got kind of a little bit of Porsche,
a little bit of Audi. If you could get one for $29,000.
I mean, you could probably get into one of those, couple grand down and own one and have
payments that were probably in the $550 range, maybe something like that.
And have a good looking sporty little car that gives you that kind of shooting brake feel.
Now, you're only going to get a 1.6 liter four cylinder, but it does have a turbo,
an eight speed automatic, and it does have like paddle shifters where you can manually shift it
and have a little bit of fun with it. And it's not even bad at the turbo, 0 to 60 at about 7.2
seconds, which yeah, we talk about supercars and sports cars and, you know, hemi cars and stuff
like that. But for a car, a daily driver car that you could take on the weekends to go out and
adventure and haul groceries home and all that kind of stuff. Not bad at all.
You know, the other end of the spectrum we were talking about trucks is, you know, when I do
car casts with Goldberg, he's a big truck guy. He's a Ram TRX guy. He's got his ranch. He's always
in the dirt. You know, not that he doesn't love his muscle cars and stuff, but when Ram came out
with that Rumblebee, the street truck version, right? 777 horsepower lowered adjustable suspension.
And a little bit shorter, it's not a standard cab two door, but it's the four door, but it's a little
bit shorter doors in the back. So it is, it's a few feet shorter than the full size like.
They don't call them a cab. They call them a extended cab, I think, something like that.
Yeah, but it's a full size door. It's just not the massive, massive door. I don't know what it is
now, but I don't know. I just think like, for me, I'm still a street truck kind of guy. And I know
you've played in that space as well for a long time, more so than the off road stuff. But I think
that thing is cool. I mean, it's going to be a price ridiculous. It's probably going to be over
a 100000 bucks, but I kind of dig it. That kind of power is zero to 60 in like 3.4
seconds. It runs 1160s in the quarter mile, which is crazy. I mean,
my El Camino on Nitrous ran 1160s in the quarter mile. I mean, it's like, that's nuts.
And they look good. They're fun. I wonder if they'll be as collectible in years to come
as some of the other mopars that they've been building. Well, I mean, what's the market now on
the SRT-10 with the Viper engine, that truck? So I had the two door version, which was cool with
the six-speed manual. Then when they did the four door version, I think it was only automatic.
But those are cool vehicles. I mean, it's eight miles to the gallon or whatever, but
eight gallons to the mile, I think it is. Yeah, it's probably. But those are, I think,
are starting to go up in value. They're starting to get there. I think that's an interesting
collectible. 30,000, 20,000 to 30,000 range, depending on age. I bet it, yeah.
40,000 if it's like really, really, really tight. Yeah,
yeah. Now, does that truck come in a convertible?
No, it does not. I didn't think so. Yeah, nothing comes in a convertible anymore, Matt. Well,
there is. Well, sure there is. We've got the Mustang, the Mazda MX-5,
Mini Cooper, and a Chevrolet Corvette. That's about it. Other than
exotics and. There's the 911 GT3 SC, right? That's the. Yeah, but see, now we're talking exotic.
That thing is so cool. It's basically the GT3 that's convertible only in manual and
ridiculous, the expensive $275,000. The $300,000 car is now pretty much normality in the
supercar world. It's like, yeah, 300,000. Yeah, that's what they cost. I see these guys
tooling around town in these Rolls Royce, and I just think that's a $350,000 car that guy's
driving. It's his daily driver. I just think. And out here, you've got to think, well,
anywhere you've got to think. Then on top of that, you got license plates, taxes,
insurance. Can't imagine what that stuff would be. But we're looking at, we brought up the
convertible and convertibles in the 50s and 60s and even into the 70s were just
every model it seemed like came with a convertible version. I mean, you just be able to get muscle
cars. Think of the Camaros, even like a Torino, a Ford Torino GT, you could get with the big motor
and a convertible. Yeah. But why do you think that went away? I have some reasons, but why do
the big reasons work? Sales numbers, right? So at the end of the day, it's all going to come down to
finances. And then there will be some arguments on the performance end of things that are going to say
we can't get the performance out of the convertible as we can the hard top. We can't get the structural
integrity the same. Some of them are built that way. Corvette still does it. But
like the Mustang Cobra, we had the convertible for so long, even in the Cobra trim, but then GT500
even for a little while, but then the most recent version with the DTC transmission and stuff is
DCT rather. Yeah. We didn't get the convertible there. So I don't know. Well, you're wrong.
Okay. According to research and scientists, they say the reason that the convertible ultimately
went away was the advent of teatops. Is that it? Did you ever have a car with teatops?
I did. I had an 87 Camaro with teatops. I did too. I had an 85 Camaro with teatops. It was
actually Charlotte's car. We bought it for her and God, those were such a pain in the ass.
It was like, hey, you want to take teatops out? Sure. Got to pull over. You got to get them out,
put them in their little sleeves, put them in the back and then you're driving along.
You want to put or if you stop at a store or whatever you do, it was just like, man. And then
just like catalytic converters, when teatops started being stolen, you couldn't leave your
windows down because somebody just walked up, all they had to do was flip the lever and walk away.
God, teatops. What a... And then you were lucky if they didn't leak. Going to the car wash with
a towel holding it up to a certain area or something. Right.
Right. Okay. So you lived in Arizona when you had that, right?
No. I was actually in Florida where it rained every day in the summer.
Well, I said to Charlotte, I said, we made the worst decision ever. We bought that Camaro
in Arizona and you remember the windshield laid way back. Then we got glass and then we've got the
terrarium in the back, that big hatchback. It was just all glass and it was like...
You're right. It would get hot. hot in there.
I came out one day, it was like the middle of August and I came out to go somewhere and the
back window was gone. It had gotten so hot in there, it had just blown out. That's how we knew
so it didn't throw something at it because it was all over the driveway. It had just gotten so hot,
it just blew outwards. I was just like, my God. I used to get in and just like, oh my God,
it's so hot in here. That was back before you had automatic starters or anything.
So you had to get in, turn it on. Yeah. I mean, Arizona in the 80s,
even then you'd get the cars, you would tint the windows, but the tint,
yeah, nothing like what it is today. Turn purple. Yeah. It was just like a way to make it darker.
So you wouldn't get so much sun in your eyes, but now the technology and tints and the ceramics
and stuff have UV reflective properties, production and heat. You can really cut a few degrees of
temperature off. And now we have, like my truck, the F-150, it's big. So we tinted the windows and
then I always do the front windshield with the ceramic tint that's basically like clear just to
get a little bit more of that UV protection just to cool it off on the interior a little bit more.
I think it does something. I don't know how well it works. I don't think it's a miracle
product, but I think it definitely helps. I think back at it, and I think I was the worst person
buying cars in Arizona because I bought that Camaro and it was navy blue. So practically black,
all that glass. Then what did I buy? A Buick Grand National, all black with a leather interior
because it was the first year. So it was the only year that ever came with leather.
And it's like you said, I tinted the windows. It wasn't two years in the tint turned purple and
looked weird. And Charlotte used to always like to drive my car because it was the white Monte
Carlo SS with the cloth interior. Other than that, not a good track record with buying cars
in the heat zone of Arizona. But T tops, sunroofs, and air conditioning. Those are some of the factors
that they do look at. People before air conditioning, man putting your top down in the summertime was
like, thank God I can breathe. And you talk about tints, they didn't even know what tinting was back
then. Didn't even in the 50s and 60s. Can you imagine if you came up with some film and said,
no, we're going to put this on the windows and it'll keep the sun out. They'd be like,
you're from Mars. It'd be like, when I was a kid, I remember seeing, there was this Lamborghini
Countach that would kind of be in the neighborhood. I don't know where the guy lived. We didn't live
in a neighborhood that had those kind of cars. But he was in Arizona and the windshield is so big
and so lean back that the bottom half of the windshield was tinted and then it stopped and
then the top half of the windshield was tinted. So it looked like Rubber Pups visor. And when he
would drive, he would just look out this untinted strip. And I don't know, somehow that was legal
or he convinced. They just didn't hold over because they just didn't care. But
well, those you talk about a laid back windshield. That's like the sun's coming right in on you. So
I can see why he would do that. And at the time I was like, I get it. I see why he's doing it. It
certainly makes sense. And I can't imagine the air ever worked that well in that car to begin with.
Right. And then I went down to an event. I went to a car show event down in
like Oceanside or something like that. And it was all the crazy modern days, supercars and
Porsches and stuff. But this thing I don't really get. So they were trying to do this stealth thing
or I don't know if they were like YouTubers and didn't want to be known. But they tinted the
front windshield. I saw I see that all the time now. Yeah. Tint the front windshield and it's dark.
You cannot see it's like limo tint. Yeah. You can't see anything in there. And it's probably tough
to see out of but obviously way illegal. Like, you know, yeah, you know, I mean, I guess if you're
just taking that car out every once in a while, the cars and coffee or stuff like that. But if
you're commuting on the 405 or something like you're going to get pulled over at some point.
I think so too. But I see them all the time. And you know where they're at? They have these limo
tinted windows and the tinted windshield. And I see them going through the car, the car pool lane.
And I think if cop can't tell that you got but but they don't seem to get pulled over. I don't
see them getting pulled over. And I guess the cameras don't see you. So yeah, I don't know how
that works. So I don't know. It's pretty crazy. But did you see, so convex convertibles. So I did
summertime. I thought we'd talk about convertibles. But you know, ultimately regulations about rollovers
and things like that. And like you started with costs. They weren't selling enough. They started
tapering off. And you know, we missed some of those, those iconic convertibles, you know, like the
gosh, the Chrysler LeBaron, the PT Cruiser. Yeah, can't say that I missed those.
That's what I'm kidding about. Do you think of some of them? Do you know the Geometro came as a
convertible? I did know that. Yeah, because in school, a friend of mine used to deliver pizzas
at night and smoke weed and drive that thing. What? What about the Toyota Camry? I've never seen
a convertible Toyota Camry. And apparently it says that they sold quite a few of them. I'm like,
where? And it was on. You know what? One of the worst cars I ever saw that was a convertible.
And I remember seeing it at a press thing and just going, oh my God, that thing is horribly ugly.
It was a Land Cruiser, the smaller Land Cruiser. Funny, I was just going to say, was it the G-Wagon
convertible? No, I've never seen that one either. But the Land Cruiser convertible, it was horrible.
It was horrible. It was just like, why did you do that? Put the top back on, you know?
Hey, let's wind the ship. There's another one, though. Wait,
there's another really ugly one. Oh, yeah, there's a couple. There was the
Nissan Murano Cross Caballet. I was just going to say, the other one that was really bad was the,
oh, God, why can't I think of the name? What's the car company that begins with an I?
And it's Suzu. No, not Suzu. Infinity. Infinity. Infinity did one that was horrible as well.
I saw it up at Monterey one year. They had it, they had a big JBU out of it, and I'm like,
put the cover back on, man. That thing's horrible. The guy didn't appreciate when I said that either.
Yeah, you said it out loud. Good job. I had a bullhorn. Put the cover back on.
It hurts my eyes. And I'm standing next to Dave Merrick from Honda, and he says the same. Dave's
like, God, don't put me in this. I used to go to this bar in Scottsdale when I lived over there,
and it was called the Downside Risk. And it was in Old Town Scottsdale, and there's my
broker calling me right now telling me not to tell stories about the downside risk.
And it was a real cool little bar. I dug it. But out front, I don't know if it was the guy who
owned the bar, or if it was just a customer that was there all the time. But it was brand spanking
new at the time, because this would have been like 84, and sitting out front always, right
outside the front door, was a GTO Ferrari, one of the newer ones, based on the 308. And I always
used to love that car. And I'll admit, I knew Ferraris. I knew the 308, but I knew what a GTO was,
but I didn't really know. I just thought maybe at the time, because I didn't dive into it and look,
I thought maybe it just had the Ferrari badge on the fender, and that it had like, it was a body kit.
Ferrari offered it with the wide body, and they called it the GTO or something. I didn't realize
at the time. But I used to always think, wow, what a great car. And it looked so good with its
bulgy fenders and everything like that. But did you just see what the one sold for on Brina Trailer?
Yes. Yeah, the 288 GTO. I think it was the biggest sale on Brina Trailer ever. And it's like the
crazy money, but it was like the fifth or sixth most expensive 288 GTO, not the most expensive 288 GTO.
Right. And I think this was this guy's daily driver. He just drove it every day, man. That was his driver,
you know? And I think the hammer price on it was 16.8, I believe. No, 6.8.
6.8. Really? I thought it was 16.8. Okay, I misread. I misread. Go on that. Why do we even talk
about it? Only 6.8 million. It was 6,825,000. We're talking about it because a minute and a half ago,
it was $3 million. Like, these cars have doubled like in the last year.
Go before that. They were in the hundreds of thousands of dollars. I mean, they have
climbed and I think they're being tugged along by all the other Ferraris and the fact that it has a
GTO on it, you know? Now, keep in mind, 6.825 million. And this is a car that has gone through
the motions. This car was red and then it was painted silver and it traveled around the world.
Then it had to come back and it was put back together and it was repainted red again. So
it's had a very active life. How long before that GTO namesake gets that up into the tens of
millions? Because they only made 272 of them. So it's definitely a car that could come up
and it was a drug along because of the... They've sold between 4.9 and 7.2 million.
I guess there was one with some historical significance that went for 8.5. How long before
it gets into 10, 12, 15 million? Right. I have this discussion with Carolla all the time going,
we were literally looking at that car going, this is 6 million and change. Why isn't the
mirror? Why isn't the Lamborghini mirror like the SV? Why isn't that car 10 million dollars? I mean,
the most expensive one was probably 6 million, but they trade 3.5 to 4.5 million. Not that long
ago, they were 2 million. How is the mirror SV, not just a regular mirror, how is the SV
not 2 million dollars more than that 2.88 GTO? It's crazy.
Well, it's going to take time, but it will be. Yeah.
And why I say that is because look at all the fans of the new Lamborghinis. Now,
and hoping that those guys stay with Lamborghini and to start deciding to start collecting them,
then it will. But Ferrari has done an excellent job over the decades of building that Ferrari
mystique and the Ferrari collectors and all that. I mean, you look at like David, he's a Ferrari
collector and you've got to have that. But gosh, it's like so many cars, muscle cars,
supercars, things like that. You think back of if you would have should have bought a car like this,
like a 2.88 that was affordable at one time. It was always expensive, but it was affordable.
Now it's in the multi-million dollar class. The mirror is going to be one of the vehicle
marks that's going to be celebrated at Pebble Beach this year. It's the 60th anniversary display.
It's going to be the largest gathering of mirrors ever that we know about.
Wonder what happened to Eddie's? Have you seen his show up anywhere?
I haven't seen specifically. No, I haven't seen that car. Yeah, you don't ever hear like Eddie Van
Hill in his mirror because it was when I would go up to his house and I've told the story on here
about how his kid's bike was leaning against it and the boxes were all stacked on it. But it was
absolutely gorgeous because he had that thing, you know, nothing bolt restored and it was a gorgeous
car. It was the right color. It was everything about it. And it was Eddie Van Hillen's. Was it
modified? There was something about the car. It had like a fender flare or something going
or a scoop in the back. It wasn't a Joda. I don't remember that. I have pictures of it
somewhere that I took in his garage with the bike leaning against it and boxes sitting on it.
Yeah, I just remember it in pictures looking a little different.
We're going to have to find out where that car is because that car, yeah, he's got some kind of
fender vent, something going on in the back. Now that I just do some Google searches on it,
that is just kind of unfamiliar. You're talking about in front of the wheels?
In the back, yeah. Yeah, like the quarter is almost flared or something. And you know what?
What's funny, that picture of him sitting on it smoking, that's exactly where it was sitting when
I was at his house a couple of times. And just imagine about where that mirror is,
his kid's bike was leaned up against it with the bars flopped against it.
And on the hood and on the top, there was boxes. And it was just like, oh, I said, Ed, I go,
why don't you drive that? Yeah, it's loud and it's hot. And he goes, whenever I drive it,
he goes, people recognize me. And the hard part of fame, couldn't go anywhere. And any of his
stuff without it. And if it was nondescript, he could go somewhere. But if it was...
So it's owned by a guy that owns a vintage, exotic dealership curated motors. I think he bought it
in 2019. He had it restored. And I believe he still has it.
Yeah, Lamborghini mirror wide body. So I guess...
Yeah, I don't know if there was ever a real wide body. I mean, the SV was already a wide body.
I remember Claudio, he's the one who restored it. And Claudio knew his stuff. So I wonder,
you know, I wonder if that could almost have been a Claudio modification.
Yeah. He was into that kind of stuff. So... But it was a great looking car. It was gorgeous.
It was gorgeous. So... But... Yeah, cool stuff.
Very cool stuff. So we'll be back next week with even more cool stuff. And you know what?
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