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It's Tuesday night here in April 9.

NW of M it's me, Mary J online with Mr., David Prince and Mr

Rob said Hi, how are you guys? Awesome.

Doing well. Thanks man.

Good to see you both your lovely faces, Rob.

We'll start with you, mate. I've been away.

You've just gotten back Mr Mr Vietnam over here.

Ohhhhh yes, tell us all about it.

How? We'll start with you.

How are you going? First?

Then we'll get into your car. That's a little bit later.

But how's your trip, mate? Tell us about your trip.

What can I say about the trip? It was long for almost 4 weeks.

Wow. 12 days of riding up through the north of Vietnam.

We had a lot of rain beforehand and rain during our ride, so very slippery and very muddy new places when we went off into the sort of out through the the the the hill tribes, up through little villages that don't really have made roads as yet.

So for a lot of mud, a lot of us struggled through the mud crashing our bikes. Yeah, hence me hurting my my leg

on the second last day of the ride.

Um, so that got infected and swollen up and I end up having to go to the doctor's whilst I was in Vietnam and had to get it to end up getting a ultrasound done on leg puzzles that swollen. It was pretty bad, but there's

no correct combine a doctor Satan does now.

Tissue did major ligament damage or artery damage.

It's just I'll hit the the motorcycle so hard when I come off it. It just blew out.

OHS. It was any also any done, not

even for five kilometres an hour when I fell off it because I was almost stopped. You're kidding what?

Yeah, it was just the slow accidents where the bike stops and you keep on going and it's just that small hard hit.

We normally if you come off at speed, you slide and you don't hit anything. And unless there's something

stops, you slide. That's too.

That's too. So I had to sort of nurse my leg

and limp around for another week and 1/2 after the ride.

Done a lot of sightseeing. This time we went to Danang and

Hoi Yan. We basically took the the train.

The what is it called the the train trip from hell from Danang all the way down to Hochiminh City.

You have heard about that? Yeah, it's like a it's anything

between a 18 and a 20 hour trip on a train that's it's air conditioned, one thing and air conditioning worked pretty well, but the condensation of the air conditioning leaked off from the roof onto you and onto the floor.

The train was very unhygienic, very dirty, well crammed in these little sleeper bunks. There was only one sort of like

a cafe area cart at right at the very back of the train where they actually cooked, prepared food and had all the cargo, which happened to be chickens and cats and things like.

That, I suppose. Cook up the suit in front of

you. That's fantastic.

So that was an experience it might be alright for if you're yeah, 18 or 20 year old backpacker, but when you're in your 50s that's it's not comfortable.

Yeah. I saw you, but we we persevered.

We got up there and it's an experience I'll never forget.

Was it a different company to the one you've gone with before?

Same company. So the the the same guy took us

to relatively same place. This is slightly different

tracks here and there, a couple of different hotels.

So you mixed it up a little bit for us because he knew that we've been there once before, but pretty much the same countryside, same scenery, great doing it the second time to compare it to the first time, because the first time is the best experience. Yeah.

You know it's just, yeah it's I think Dave you're probably you know going to Japan you've probably been there a few times and and I think there is memories from the 1st and then you're trying to relive some of those memories and and it's just hard to sort of like your luck on certain events and and things that happen. While you're on a.

Trip and to replicate that, it's very difficult.

Very difficult. You're right, you're right.

I think the trick, I think it took me a few trips to realise the trick is go back to the places you love and that you want to see again and you enjoy going to, but also try and do something new every trip. You know, go to a new place when

you experience as well. I've got a list of places I

haven't been to yet that I'm really interested to go and see.

So yeah, you do have to mix it up a bit, but I I hear exactly what you're saying. It was a different time of the

year that you were there compared to last time.

Believe it was only about a week and a half, two weeks earlier.

Wow. OK.

And rainy, we're W when we went last year, it was hot.

It was in the 30s. There wasn't much rain about, so

it was just a dryer. Yeah.

Climate was like, so it was like two different sort of writing events. Yeah, yeah.

OK. Wow.

Yeah, so it was that different. And it was very slippery, very

muddy we've had. But on the first day we had one

of our group have a head on with a local.

Oh so he ran wide. He veered left instead of right,

his aged instead of whatever. And especially to the scooter

break the front wheel off the scooter and the forks and all that with we fought. The lady was hurt pretty bad,

but off again hospital. She was cleared of any injury

and so they're trying to get dispensation for loss of income and all these sort of things and you know, replacement of the bike and and everything else. Then the police got involved and

they wanted their bit, so police out.

He had to pay the lady for her bike.

Luckily, not for any lost income, but for the motorbike was that he rode off, so they end up costing him 25 years.

We call him the $20 million man because it cost him 25,000,000 Dong. I'll pay off the Voice and $20

million to pay for the the scooter.

How? How much is in that?

How much is that in? $1600.

OK. So it was some big money, but

still. Enough.

Substantial Inside, not one was hurt, which is the main thing.

Aside that walked away from it, which is a good thing.

And yeah, that was an experience.

So we thought, let's all take it easy.

This is this is motorbiking through Vietnam, Ed.

Motorbiking, biking. Prove it.

Now let's take it easy. After a head on collision with

the local and in a little town in a little village and so that was an experience he he actually he smashed his boots when he hit the other bike and he he had old boots so they fell apart these boots up for the rest of the trip and the bike was all mangled and all that stuff so you have to pay for repairs of that motorbike too so for new headlight new header tank and shroud that he broke and bits and pieces so that was that first accident and then the second day another guy came off

and he bruised his upper leg pretty badly like I bruised my lower part of my leg so he was limping for the whole trip And then we had all these offs one guy smashed the crankcase on the bike and oil was leaking out everywhere.

Another guy on her last day ran off the road across slid across the road in Namco barricade and lucky with no cars coming the other way or anything as he slid across the road and bit the fork to a point where the forks wouldn't go up and down anymore.

So just the support vehicle just rocked up, pulled the four walks out, got a new set of forks out from the back of the car.

Obviously has experienced this. Will have any role.

Right side fix. Right side fixed rate you set of

forks on it and off we went. Wow.

Yeah, so, but the scenery again was fantastic.

The again, the weather really made it different, so it's sort of a whole different feel to it. When we're going down the river

through the caves and whatnot was all foggy and overcast rather than sunny and and you know you can see all them out.

You couldn't see the mountains this time.

Last time we could see the mountains.

So different feel to the whole trip, yeah.

And we did say different things to do.

So we went to Danang, the the all quarter of Huyan which is Central Vietnam which is fantastic must, it's a must see place, went up to the mountains over there where the French used to go up there for their holidays where they occupied Vietnam. So there's a lot of history

today with the French, of course.

Yeah, some again, they're getting richer and richer over there that, you know, they got a Rolls Royce dealership there and Lamborghini dealerships and all the cars like you Gee waggons everywhere. I don't know where they are on.

There's a lot of G waggons in Vietnam, so there's a bit of money getting around, so. They're just not Suzuki jimmies

with that kid on it. Now I saw a couple little Suzuki

vans which I was done up. Did you see the one I sent?

To you. There was a whole lot of them,

little cake cars and stuff like that around as well.

But what else was? It wasn't really anything that

really stood out that was you know, sort of like, you know, that was unique. Rather than the cars we went to,

this time we went to an oyster farm, but we went to Halong Bay again. But I took this time, we went at

the start of the trip so it was instead of towards the end of the trip. So the guys had an absolute ball

as ten of us getting pretty well wasted on the on the.

Cruise. The two not one night, 2 days

and we went to different places too this time, which was fantastic. We went to an island, went to

caves, went canoeing. I actually got to canoe one of

our steer and peddle one of those bamboo rafts that just sit on and take all the people. And so I was taking all the

tourists of it. And so I was.

Paddling. Stuff that was fantastic.

Just, yeah, again, slightly different experiences and we try to do different things. So as you said, Dave, you always

try to do something a little bit different.

Yeah, yeah. But next time I'm going to try

going up the Mekong and go up to Lao and Cambodia and stuff like that. So totally different.

And it's still value for money now.

You can still buy $1.00 beers and stuff like that and.

Yeah. You know, so 23 things that

might mean $23,000 for for a Tiger beer, which is about $0.94

US and I think $1.14 something. So cheap.

So it's good. It's good.

So yeah, we're back to reality. Have to start somewhere.

MCAS. And when I came back, I had a

warning come up on my Ford Transit that it's going into battery saver mode because it hasn't been started for three or four weeks. I want to start that up and run

it for a little while, but the other cars were on on charge, like trickle charge and the batteries are disconnected and whatnot, so they all started by one of the.

The battery on the E30 is dead. I have to get another battery,

so I don't know what happened there.

It died. I'll let it go for too long.

I didn't have it on charge. I don't know why I didn't charge

it. It was, yeah.

So apart from that, yeah, still working on that laser paint work. Got messed up for the third not

second time, now third time. Geez.

Paint it again, but it's alright.

I think it's not that bad this time.

We can block it back and just give it a quick quote.

Be OK, but still it's been a nightmare, that car, but apart from that, that's it. Went to the Grand Prix when I

got back that day with a crooked leg that I was going to go.

I paid a lot of money for the tickets and we're in now, so we watch the 9G Lewis Hamilton breakdown right in front of the Mercedes stand. Awkward.

So it was good to see Verstappen scar right here.

So it made the the race bit more interesting after after a couple of years, Yeah. So yeah, that that's that's me.

We also heard Mr Edward Bonding has joined us.

Hello, Edward. Hello, good evening.

Sorry for my tardiness. That's alright.

David Prince updates with you. Since last week, what have I

done? I dropped the H Civic, the Grand

Prix edition, down to John Blair Automotive in Moorabbin.

They've got a couple of they're now no longer a Honda dealership, but there's still a Honda Specialist workshop.

And they've got a number of guys I think I've mentioned before on the podcast that are absolute gurus so and love the old stuff, especially my old rubbish that it's like at the place.

So they hadn't seen that one and it was actually bought new from John Blair, so. They.

They were pretty tickled to have it down there after 40 years.

So they've got a couple of guys that they're chomping at the bit just to go over it and just, you know, make some little tweaks and adjustments to it along the way.

It's got a little noisy, some noise in the gearbox that goes away when you put the clutch in. It always has had that car, but

my son's actually rebuilt A gearbox for for it.

So while it's down there, I might grab the gearbox from him and get him to put it in because it's much easier when you got a hoist to just sort of gearbox over, I think.

I think they thought it was the input shaft bearing I think.

But the thing I mean you drove that car last week maybe.

I mean it drives sweet as a nut. It's it's great gear shift is

lovely in it. So all the linkages are fine and

everything It's it's just if we can put a rather than go through all the trouble of trying to replace the bearing.

I think we're just what the boxes over it probably be quicker. Yeah.

About it. No further word on the N1.

Oh no that's not true. I did ring a compliance workshop

that the importers suggested I contact and make a start building a relationship with them so that I can when the car arrives, I'll actually have the all the paperwork in place where they've got to. Actually, now I remember I did

mention last week as I looked up that we have to make an account with Department of Infrastructure and then they operate on my behalf. So OK, that'll just continue to

cook away in the background. I'll keep you updated as that

comes along. Exchange rate is pretty

incredible with the Japanese yen at the moment, so it's about $0.97 I think like I got to the ¥97.00 to the dollar which is

pretty good. So that's bubbling along in the

background. As I said, nothing else.

I think she'll put car wise. I had a pretty lazy weekend, I

just moved a few cars and didn't do an awful lot else.

Did a bit of gardening rather than car stuff this weekend.

Had nice drive last night with some friends in the pouring, pouring rain, but it ended with a nice Palmer so that was a good way to finish the night. Absolutely makes up for it with

bunting. Hello.

Um, I was actually going to text you about that wasn't I, Matt?

Where you where we ended up Like God damn forgot that just reminded me so our updates last time.

I think I still had a Saab. I told the Saab 900 fairly

quickly to the first person that came and looked at it, which was very encouraging. It was a a young kid of 18 came

with his dad and he said I don't want to merk or a Beamer.

I didn't want a Mazda or Honda or something super sensible.

He said I wanted something a bit different but still was reasonably safe and whatever whatever.

And he kind of latched onto the idea of a Saab and so.

Is the next generation of us coming through?

Sign him up. And I was very, very cool.

You encourage that. So I did them bit of a deal on

it and and it had the roadworthy as I said before on this podcast I think so he's gonna put it on full wedge I believe.

I don't think it's going club, I think it's gonna go full Reg.

So yeah, that went two days later and he's very happy with it. So that's a good news story.

The old Saab. What else have I done?

I bought, but I think I've bought anything else other than my aunties Orion. She was gonna was gonna trade it

on a new Honda HIV hybrid and so I said well I'll give you a little bit more than what you've been offered trading and and it so I picked that up Saturday night from down in Geelong and you know changed it back on the Geelong Hwy that's an O 8 Orion which is I think that first shape I don't think there was one prior to that. That's the first one.

It's the base model ATX, so it's not not got all the wood grain and leather or any of sunroof or any of those things.

But I was saying to Maddie J yesterday on the phone, my God, those things are refined. Like really is so incredibly

silky and linear in its power delivery.

And I'm sitting on that Delong road and I just thought, oh God, this is what cars have lost their lost being comfortable.

This thing is so comfortable. Over bumps just soaks up those

Aussie roads without blinking. And I thought it really, in

terms of refinement and quietness and smoothness, that car can teach the EUR a thing or two.

You know, there's yes the Euros are good and I've driven plenty of nice Merks and beam as, but that for a simple Aussie made B6 thing. That car is incredible and no

wonder it's sort of shows in the pricing.

You know good Orions with low mileage just still commanding quite good money. Like I looked on car sales and

there's 2016 and 17 Orions, you know the very last couple of years they made them, they're still 2628 grand.

I think I saw 190, that's a 7 year old car now, um, that's no longer produced, you know, and you just think, well that's they've held up pretty well, but certainly for under 10 grand, well under 10 grand you can get into an Orion with, you know, reasonable case on it and then it's a it's a lot of car for the money, you know, you can see why old people like them because they're just comfy. What's going to be said about

that? It would because you know, like

those cars them, you know, I said this to you yesterday, those you know Falcons, Commodores, they were made to do big kays on terrible roads comfortably though went to.

Ek up big comfy kays, yeah. Yeah.

So that's what they were built to do.

I am a fan of that car. Anyway, I I actually put it

online on Sunday afternoon because I thought, well, I'm around Sunday, Monday, within reason, I can and I'm selling it. No rage, no roadworthy.

It can just go as is. But I thought, I'll just put it

on marketplace. If I get someone who actually

wants to turn up and come and buy it, well, they can come and buy it. I had about 40 pings on my phone

and so I thought, well, the price is obviously not not too far out of whack of the market if if that's what's happening.

And then one guy, I rang him and he was meant to come and look at it but never showed up. But I just thought, OHS all

right, now I don't have time because he didn't show up.

So I thought, now I'm out, my window has expired, so it's gonna go to Grey's and they can deal with the the 40 inquiries, right? So it's going to graze tomorrow

morning and get auctioned. But yeah, I'm reasonably

confident I'll get the money I need given given the interest that I had for a few hours on on Sunday.

It is. It is a cattle top tube.

Just advertise something and see what interests you getting.

Then they advertise it and then and then go set it to the options. Please.

At least you've built a bit of an audience.

Just want to add to that, like, that's the reason I got my dad into an Orion. Like it's just comfortable,

easy. I mean, we still pay 20 grand

for years, but like, he's only had 60,000 K on.

It rather than than this one. There's a 2016 and you know,

like, he loves it. He reckons his, you know, the

best car he's ever had because it's just, you know, it's reliable, it works, it's comfortable, it it does everything a good car should and that's, yeah, that's a lot.

If you're OK with it more, is there.

Not the most exciting thing to look at or drive, but but oh Gee, I started having delusions of saying to my father, well, why don't we sell the Pajero that's still worth almost what we paid for it, you know, and go and buy 10 grand Oreon and you'll, you'll actually be more comfortable.

You'll use similar fuel on the highway.

I mean, sort of, You know, it's not a crazy idea.

It really isn't like and they they're reliable that the two GI really intelligent like super smooth company you know it's just it's puts the power down as you said beautifully you know where they were really good they were really good thing I've always been a fan of Dorian. You're right.

Yeah they they are they are. They can be a little bit boring

to drop, but they got plenty of grunt like they go, they get up and go like they they bloody hammer.

So I've been, I've been in it the last three days, four days I've probably done 300K in it and yeah I'm definitely impressed with that. And the ATX base model I've got

is it's got an electric drivers seat, you know up, down every which way and it's got electric lumber on the driver's seat.

So just just a little switch down on the side you know in out lumber. What's it got safety wise, like

airbags and and stuff? Or ABS.

It's got 2 front airbags, it's got two pillar airbags, curtain airbags in the front and the think it's sick 12345 yeah, six.

And I think, I think the back, you're just dying in the back, you know? Control system though.

I don't think. So, OK, OK, maybe that came in a

bit later. I I don't.

Think there'd be a button down on the lower dash near the door that. Would be.

I haven't looked for it. Yeah, I haven't looked forward.

For no eight, you know that's that's.

Yeah, He hasn't taken sideways yet, David, so he wouldn't be able to tell. Bluetooth, Bluetooth, cruise,

remote, locking, steering wheel, audio, 6 stack, CD player in dash will hello and even the audio system's pretty good.

It's like a six speaker system, huge boot.

That's just, yeah, I don't know, I might not pay 40 grand for one because there's other things you'd rather have.

But yeah, when they're like well under 10 or even well under five in a few cases, you think, my God, that's a lot of car.

For the money. So you know, if you had 10 grand

to spend on two cars, you could have an Orion with a few K's on it and something else smaller. You know, like not a bad.

Yeah, absolutely. Anyway, that's that car when I

no other car updates. Really.

Oh, I got the tyres put on my Pajero.

Did I say that last time? No, it's a quieter. 80 Instant

problem instantly gone. Yeah, so.

The Kunos that were on it had plenty of chunk left.

They hadn't been rotated as often as you probably should and they just got noisy, you know, it wasn't the car was pulling out of alignment or anything horrible.

It was just warning, you know, just drone heat, so much so that it almost sounded like a wheel bearing.

And as soon as I drove out of the place having these joke harmas on that I I found on marketplace and had them put on nothing, just you know, you hear the diesel, you hear, you hear normal Pajero noises, but you don't hear anytime.

Snow. Pianos, but that that fixed the

droney tyres and then I had it aligned by your mate read just to check that it was with Inspector.

He said look, it is, he tweaked things by millimetres but he said that's fine, but the next thing I wanna do on that car is shocks. Not that they're terrible, but

he said look, they're a little on the soft side but they're the original shocks, like this one, 225,000 K on original shocks.

Well, you're kind of due for something, so.

How is How is greed? Is good.

Yes, he's good. Yeah, I've seen him a couple of

times recently, so I'm going to put probably a set of Bilsteins in it, which will last long, long, long time.

I had original shoppers in my Jeep Commander and I swapped them out for old man Emus. All fantastic cheese.

Yeah, you know, different. Shocks just didn't work at all.

Well, from what I read on the forums, OEM Pajaro shocks are pretty good, which is why most of them still have them in it that those sort of case they don't sort of chew out.

I think they're KYB or something like that, yeah, but you know, really sort of said look, either go bilsteins or colonies, he said. It's a bit like Holden Ford.

Which one you go there's no real you know one that's any better than the other. But the bills things were

cheaper and and I've I've always had to had my minor and that's what I do so well, no excuse. Cheaper and.

I'll. Probably go that road and then

that'll at least keep my Yoko's, you know, humming quietly for as long as possible. On tomorrow, I'm driving the

prior. Oh, I got the Prado storage.

So I say that look at Prado Diesel a year ago.

And I had that in storage because of an impending trip to Fraser Island, which is happening tomorrow.

So Maddie's going to be partaking in that little jaunt.

And yeah, Prado. Prado fired up and then straight

up straight away actually, after being in storage.

And I disconnected the battery of course, But then it promptly died straight away and I went out and then it was crank crank, crank, crank, crank. Nothing, nothing, nothing.

And I thought, oh shit, here we go.

But it was just the lack of diesel up at the motor.

And after a few, you know, 30 seconds of cranking sort of thing, it sort of coughed and spluttered and and and then she was fine. Yeah, it hasn't put a foot wrong

since. So that's all good.

We gave that noir until to change last weekend and it's gonna be going to Sydney tomorrow.

So, Sydney beyond Matthew, what about?

You lovely updates with me. I've dropped the typhoon off

today and that's to get the remain done.

The turbo return line gaskets done which which weren't leaking they're just weeping the the sump had a bit of a weep but it's kind of like a Waller in their job just do it anyway.

So doing that and then yeah. And I've gotta put my new clutch

which I had sitting there in it as well and obviously the new slave sauna which wasn't gonna, which I wasn't gonna spend genuine money for but as I've mentioned I think a few weeks ago as to how much of a joke that was so.

So yeah. Drop that off today.

He's like yeah well we should be done at some point this week but he's like if you if you want us to take a bit more time on it till you get back, that's totally fine.

You can do that as well. So that'll be that'll be kept

away for that. What else have I done That's

been pretty much it on on in my car my car and I'll talk.

I'll drop all the cars in the weekend actually took them out one by 1:00 and had a bit of a drive and so so that was nice to get them out and about before the torrential rain we had yesterday. So, so so that was that was

quite nice actually to get them all out and drop them again but I think that's that's it And like on my car place.

John moving on to tonight's topic is what would you rathers we're bringing, would you rathers back again like what would you rather you like or would you rather we all like what would you rather. So let's get cracking out how

what would you rather work is basically I'll give you a list of cars and then it's kind of like a this or that which one would you take and introduced the new and now kind of thing So so I'm I'm happy to continue that if you if you guys are but first of all I want to start with late 90s sport coupes.

Now there were some fun. There were some fun cars.

Are. Very specific genre.

You know it's back when they were, it's kind of like it was kind of like their last hurrah before they just kind of vanished. They they they didn't really

exist in the in the 2000s as as prevalent as they were for, you know for a very long time now in the 80s and 90s.

So these are cars that I've always kind of liked and every time I see like, oh that's that's it, yeah, that's a cool car. And the first one is the the

Peugeot 406 Coupe which I think still.

Still in arena design. Correct.

Mundo the Alfa Romeo GTV 6 which is the late front will drive this. Probably 1998 model though S

14200 SX which was you know Nissan's sports coupe and which I know what day was gonna pick the Honda prelude the the the final shape the that would be the 5th Gen I believe so yes.

Yep, so, so that would be that. You know any specs.

So again, these are in any spec, up to you, the Peugeot and the Alpha you can get into V6 and the the, the, the 306 and the and the Prelude can only get in a 4 cylinder.

But what would you take then and what would you take now, gentlemen? Well then and now, yes, OK.

I can go first because I'm pretty black and white about this shit. I think back then I probably

would have picked the Peugeot very stylish car.

It's still it's, you know, it's a good look.

No one could ever argue that. But they didn't come in the

diesel in the coupe and I'm a bit of a diesel head.

So if it was a Peugeot HDI diesel coupe, I'd be taking that now and then but probably now I'd go I'll back then I would have gone the Peugeot. But now in hindsight I'd

probably go the Prelude. I think OK, I see.

So Peugeot prelude, they're my 2 Nissan boring.

Never did anything for me. Looks wise.

What was the other one? TV.

Alpha. Forget about it.

I do Italian, although they they were fun to drive, no question about that. But no, I don't want one then

and I don't want one now. Hmm.

Very good, Rob. That's all.

Well I wouldn't have considered the Alpha Tower Drive Me Mates Alpha recently and the Alphas feel like a little go Kart to drive. They are awesome, so I'm going

for the offer. There you go.

Maybe back then would be Denison because of just being a cult type car, but maybe the Alpha something different.

Something different? Yeah.

Hmm. David Prince.

Yeah well it's fairly pretty cool I suppose but honourable mention to both of the Peugeot and the and the and the GTB.

The 406 was beautiful. A beautiful design especially

with that buttery tan leather that they came in and the nice sort of dark blue or or mid dark metallic blue with the battery that was just looking thing. I know someone that's had one

for many many years and just loves it but especially in a manual you'd only have a manual. Thanks very much and the and the

pitch and good good friend and and a fan of the show.

Mr Michael Green has a G TV tell Me a Twin Spark GTV.

But I've watched his restoration of that and I've I've grown quite fond of the shape. It was a funny shape when it

first came out. Again, Pininfarina, I think,

wasn't it? You shouldn't be sorry and very,

very waggy, aren't they? Very wedgy, very wedgy.

But you've had quite a bit to do with that car since he's been restoring it, and it's actually a really pretty car.

I really like them. Now the V6 would be each funder

drive. Is your medicine V6 wrong?

Now here's the twin spark, yeah. That's a sign of a good carry,

but you know if you if you can have fun and it's like a go Kart to drive in a smaller engine version.

Allah in a MX5. ND.

MX5. The bit of a lot of people would

prefer the smaller engine. Um, got a nice pretty VTi in a

manual again, would be where I'd probably sit most happily with that H 42. I think it's a net.

Age 22A. Yeah, beautiful thing.

Beautiful thing. So yeah, the the Nissan

Celestial lifting the cold. I was never a huge fan of the

S14. Sorry, Scotty.

Can't count OK, but be honourable mentioned to the 406 handy help. I've always liked the 406.

I thought the 406 was a really good looking car.

I remember when they were like still relatively new as a kid, I was like, that was a kind of an aspirational car.

I was like that's a that's a really classy car.

Then I proceeded to see the the workshop near my near my work.

Have six of them there or four. Sorry no four.

And then you got another two later which all we're just they just couldn't repair them they just didn't have the parts for them So that would always terrify me because they they were such a good looking car. And you're right the interiors

were lovely too David. Like they were really nice and

yeah so and from all accounts they were actually really nice to drive the Alpha for me. I probably can't even want to

say that I was going to pick the Alpha because I know it's.

This is weird for me to say that.

I remember seeing them either on The Price is Right or on something else is like the, you know, the the the winning car.

And I was like that's a cool car and it was the weird shape and and it was kind of, you know, interesting and there wasn't many things like that when you left the bonnet that it doesn't have circle headlights, actually got one headlamp.

So I I thought they were kind of cool.

So I'll probably have the alpha back then and I might just take the alpha today just because I know.

I know I don't. I don't, I don't.

I always like be Italian car guy.

But there's just something about that car, kind of.

It's kind of always interested me and I've always like, you know, I wouldn't mind owning one of those one day, even though it would be terrifying tone. But even if I was a twin swag, I

think the Twins Park is the better option.

It's the it's the safer, it's a safer bet because the Twin Spark is quite a reliable engine from what I've heard.

Just do it to a tiny bell, which is fine.

And and the key? The key is finding some of the

main them you know if you can't touch yourself, finding someone good, and there are plenty of people that know them, know them well and good workshops around. More so for the alpha, I think,

in the Peugeot these days. Yeah, absolutely.

Next one is Edward inspired because he was recently purchased an Orion. It is the Orion versus the

Ralliart Magna which was now the rally on Magna.

Could be had with the manuals as well as an auto.

Was quite a quick car. Had the full Evo spec body kit

so I think there would be there. BS wheels as well, all US racing

wheels I think that hadn't had on as well.

Massive spoiler, it looked insane.

It looked like a Evo on steroids, no problem.

Drive, which is kind of a bit interesting that they kept it from Will Drive purely for the fact that they did offer all wheel drive version. But that was that that wasn't

that wasn't automatic only. So I was like well if you're

gonna offer an automatic, an automatic version you should have had that as a normal drive too.

So a bit weird that they didn't but they both these cars are front wheel drive only. Both Australian made both

Australian history. What would you by then?

What would you buy now? Easy.

I I always. I really like the look of the

Orions. I mean I think they did a really

nice job of changing what we as we've discussed as a fairly forgettable looking car, just a really good wheel fitment, very subtle body kit, some nice striping and stuff and it really transformed the look of the thing never driven one, but by accounts they were pretty quick and and very refined as as it was saying. So that would have been a great

choice I think back in the day, I think they came in a, they came in red and black so and like gun metal Ohhh silver, yeah, OK And they even had, which is very racy for the tour at the time, I think like red leather interiors or really inserts in the seeds. They did.

Well, I think I'd be the same. I think I'd be Ori, and much as

the magnet kind of would look cool in the day, it's it's a bit retro now, I suppose. Just I'd I'd always got Toyota

of a Mitsubishi, I think, given the choice.

Block was gonna say I would have chosen theory now, but I choose to make it there. Ohk OK.

Then Orion in magnet now. OK.

And what would you like to? Be two ariens, I think Orion

then. OK.

OK. I, a good friend of the show,

Andrew Rules Worth is inspired me a little bit with the old magnet situation and that's right.

I mean they were incredible. They when you look at the the

the factory or the factory produced over there like I think they were at the time. I think they're the only knows

how I love the sunrise now, the only car offering a factory sunroof I think in Australia at the time, but also you know the the 2 wheel drive, 4 wheel drive options and stuff like that.

I mean it was pretty. There's a fellow in in our club

who lives in regional NSW who has a selection of beautiful Hondas but also has a tea. I think it's a TL Magna.

Very last of them. Constant full drive reads the

best carriage ever own. Yeah.

And you know, we're not part with it.

So I think we're all magnets from aligned early on, you know, and a bit of a lot of many jokes, but I think by the end of the run they are actually pretty impressive cars and fantastic export campaigns. You're brilliant.

Really successful. Overseas too.

I'm also going to add to that I think the Magna was a very I think it was an under under not under appreciated but you know it wasn't it wasn't super underrated for actually was the one I'm looking for. It was a super underrated car

for what actually was. You know the the V6 refinement

was great you know the transmissions were good they it wasn't for lack of trying I don't think you know like that they they always were trying to to to to do so.

Remember the ad when they brought the other The old drive?

Magna it was. They did a drag race between

Commodore or Falcon and the Magna even the Camry.

I think that the race with and it's like equal until the first corner and then what happens after that like on a dirt road and they all the other cars crash and the magnet keeps going cause I got all drive And so like it wasn't for like a trying like they did things that you know you know the other three were were were were just too scared to do like doing all drive and and doing you know all different different offering offering different transmissions earlier than other companies.

So for example in the TJ series of Manly like the the base 6:00 you got a force on you so you gotta A4 speed auto.

But you could also end if you got a few option for a TJ sports you could get a 5 speed automatic and a 5 speed manual.

So and not not many companies were doing that at the time you know so so like they they were they really really would they really tried genuinely tried and it's a shame because you know people people seem to laugh about magnets but they weren't bad thing I'm going to make the to high school the guy the guy down the road from from from my house used to take me and my dad used to take his youngest son because you know we swapped when we high school and primary school and yeah he had he had he

had a a Magna Waggon V6 3.5. And it was a it was a quick car

used to be used to be used to go and he said sounded good and and yeah it would always remember the dashes were so big and flat and pushed back into you know it looked like they had so much room in them. So yeah I I was always a fan of

a fan of magnets. I just.

I just. I never, I never understood the

hate. It was like all the front will

drive them. They must suck.

But that's that's completely, completely untrue.

Going Queensland, the rental car which most when you hide cars they usually are rental cars but we we had we had odysseys back then and so you know we we used to having all the kids all having their own place but had plenty of room for the five of us And yeah it was great to drive the sports auto in it and 3.5 was great car. I really enjoyed it.

Yeah, that that they had plenty of grant like they it.

It was. A Falcon.

We had the previous song. I'm not as good, not as good.

I'll, I will agree with you. In terms of refinement, it

wasn't as good. Rob, what would you have taken?

Probably the Oregon, but I I do have.

I've come across a few Magnus over the last couple years and not even had an encounter with one.

Up through the hills up towards Snuggy.

I was on my motorcycle and his car came flying around me, which happened to be a magnet. I think I mentioned this once

before and I could not keep up with this magnet like you would not believe through the corners and it flew.

I struggle to keep up with it. Well, was it an all wheel drive?

I don't know what it was. All I know it was a magnet

support. One like the late a late 3.

Point that wasn't the lightest. There wasn't like A380.

It was a previous model, but it might have been a V6, yeah?

Yeah, it would have been. The thing flew.

We just yeah. So I respect the Bagnor, but I

think what sort of really I suppose gave the bank is a bad reputation is the people who bought them second-hand didn't maintain them so they rushed to crap out of them.

They never maintained them and every magnet has slowed down.

The road was blown. Oil and I'll just beaten up,

Yeah, and because. Even I I would say even if you

did maintain them some of them just burn oil and and ours was one of those alright. And our friends was one of

those. Like these were cars that were

not driven hard you know always serviced and and they still used oil by by 151 sixty K you know they're they're chewing you know whereas the Camry just wouldn't, wouldn't or or whatever else.

But yes some of them he got great runs out of but but more often than not they they started having issues without provocation like ours. You know ours was a TR 93.

We bought it when it was one year old 12,000 K on it.

It's a 3 litre V6 So it wasn't an old car that I had.

The oil changed in that oil and philtre every 5000 K from where?

The day we got it, we sold it 160 ish thousand K and it wasn't blowing smoke on startup or anything, but it was using oil, so probably valve stem seals, you know, even though it wasn't belching smoke out and that's a perfectly service driven car.

So they did it, you know? Whereas if that was something

else, it would be still running. Now you know it wouldn't have

done. That yeah.

Well we'll agree with you too. Like develops themselves were

were a problem and those and and they but.

Pretty much in every Mitsubishi petrol, Every Mitsubishi petrol you know since day dot is valve stem seals are an issue pretty.

Much. But once you sorted them out,

they were fine. Like they, they, they had.

They had. Probably, you know, pull their

head off and do what you need to do and then that's probably right, but. But see, here's the thing and

the reason why that like the survival rate on Magnus is so low now these days because the one they didn't have great resale. Like like Mitsubishi never had

great resale on on their cars which was which was really weird. So though you're right, Rob,

they'll bought like the second owners bought them and never they never maintained them and by and by the.

Time we got to maintain your Magnum.

At you gotta maintain your Magnum so you know by the time that happened there were though they're pretty hammered and then they end up as people had a car and then written off you know or or you know given to The Wreckers which you know it's it happens with cheap cars like when when when cars when cars go go cheap you know they they they don't get maintained and they just you just use it as as a form of as you know as as a form at OB but you're like well saying at the start of the show

you'd like and you mentioned this with Orions like yeah for 6-7 year old Orions they're still commanding good money and you're not going to do that to a car that you spend good money on are you So I mean some people do but but you know it's it was a different mentality when it came to a magnet and I think they they got that on undeserved I would say reputation of reliability from people that just didn't get didn't care like they just did not care so so for me that was a big issue with with that. Sort of we didn't have like one

of the hours and I mean you know they'll some seals are a big thing when you have to replace them or you know get it all done and and people weren't looking after him as well.

So it's a combination of several things.

So that's failed the car really. Yeah correct like but again if

it's like a thrift I'm just looking on consoles now there there's a $3000 Magna Oval drive TJ series two 338,000 K's on it and it's just had new cylinder heads vRS gasket timing belt water pump. It's basically all all done

rebuilt transmission under warranty.

I mean that's three grand like that's you know that it's and it's an all drive magnet too you know that that is that's you know it's it's a lot of car for for three grand but then when you're when you buy for three grand are you gonna care for it it's just gonna you gonna use it until it breaks and you know pipe it away and get another one.

So yeah I just don't think they got the love that they they were and to be fair magnets on there like when they say we'll discuss it before that they the early automatics had issues and things and and but you know once you got them right they were totally fine was you just didn't get that in a Camry you know and or an Orion and they just kind of just kept Well yeah I I think I think Magnus got more personality than a Camry but in the in the same token that the Camry was in terms of reliability is well it's a camera isn't it So yeah so Rob

would you have taken the Orion then and Orion now or you.

Both. Both alright, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. I would have taken the Orion

then, and I'd probably still take it now purely for the fact that it's. I mean they're both quite rare

cars that are really up Magna in a in a in a TD Orion.

But yeah, just the refinement of that of that, you know 3 1/2 litre, yeah, two GRV 6 is just is just is a is a remarkable engine. So I would have went for that as

my choice. I think it's not for the quiz,

you know? Question one The Mitsubishi

Magna. So it was that guy from the end.

This one is any of them. Voice over guy, Yeah.

So you guys know the rules, 10 questions plus some bonus questions. Let's crack on question one.

Actually, Edward, you can do question one.

Question one. Brake fluid and causes rated

using the DOT system. What does dot actually mean?

Oh, I did know this. Rob, I'll just take it.

Get transport maybe? Department of Transport is

absolutely correct. Well done.

That is what that stands for. Very good guess.

Go by, go by a scratchy or a saw some or some.

What's it called? A some quick picks question two

staying with fluids. The W in oil ratings IE10W40

stands for What Hey Rob Did Good in There first.

Wait. I think correct OHS Rob.

The viscosity. Yeah, but in terms of the actual

W, what does the the letter W? What's the?

What does it mean? What does it mean?

There, there's a. It's an abbreviation for

something. Yeah, I always thought it was

like 10 weight, 40 weight, but obviously not.

I'll I'll give you actually robot give you .5 because it has

got to do with the viscosity, but it's not the answer I was looking for a David. It's from the Dutch for meaning

Wisconsin city. I'd love to give you the other

point. That's the thing.

Waffle. It sounds for waffles.

Stands for winter because that's that's that's the coldest temp the oil the first bit winter question three.

In Japan, they called our first generation Tarago, which we got here, known as a Tarago, the what it did.

I think it was a spice waggon. Incorrect.

Yeah, David. David.

In America was Vanagon, wasn't it?

No, that would that would be the VW they had the they had, they had the space where. Bandwagon.

It was bandwagon. Right.

But it, Rob. In America.

In America. I sort of missed massive

question, but I'll just putting another guess out there, the Star WAG. Starwagon Assets.

Incorrect. That's Mitsubishi.

Mitsubishi. It was called the Master Ice, so

they had the town as the highest days.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Question 4 Which company uses

Avant in its Moto names? David got in there.

For me. Howdy, there we go.

This that is correct. Bonus question for Audi.

What does this mean? Ed.

Ed Edd got in there. Waggon.

Waggon correct bonus Bonus question.

What does the word actually mean in French?

David. David.

I want to say forward. That is correct.

Forward or ahead I want taken either of those score check at question for at the at the 5th question mark Edward on one robot 1.5 David on two question 5 the Daytona arcade game which

is you know which is which was out of all our car arcades came out in what year. Is this closest or it has to be?

Executed, I'll. I'll give closest to, I'll give

closest to for this. OK, it's Ed. 1984. 84 says Ed.

It's inside that still going 1983. 1983, says Rob.

I'll go 95. 85, says David. David is surprising closes

coming in 1994, not like that, right?

Yeah, that's what I said, 94, not 8490. 4 Is that what you

said, Edward? Yeah.

Yeah, bonus question. Who made the game?

David David, Is it Sega? Sega or Sega or Taken.

Either of those, it's absolutely.

Well done. Sure, sure.

Question 6. FPV Sorry, Football figures at

the height of the. BC can I just say I I got it, I

got an IT question right? You did it.

Is very good. Time history of anything that's

ever happened. When when Alan listens back to

because he's a big video game, he'll be yelling at the screen here, but he'll also be like, well done David Prince.

That's it at the FPV, at the heart of the B series era got into a specific form of motorsport that wasn't circuit.

What was it? Wasn't circuit.

So, so they weren't circuit racing these cars.

They were. They did.

Drag racing. Drag racing is incorrect.

Second, replacing the pregnancy. They're dragging.

It's not circuit racing, yeah. Rob, I'll take a guess.

Yeah. Sometimes you could ride out

there rally. Rally is incorrect.

You're probably closest to Rob to be fair, but it was drifting.

They actually made a drift car. Really.

They did make a drift car. Bonus question which of their

cars in their lineup did they use for their drift car?

The F646. Yeah, I'll pay that Edward.

Yeah, they did use an F6, They use the pre production card that was never allowed to be on the road.

So then they just put a cage in it and then they took it, drifting. And then Warren, I thought he

was really cool by trying to drift it and then crashed it in front of everybody. So yeah, and and did a yeah, did

a lot of damage to it. Question 7, Michael Milton, who

is the only ever woman to win? What?

David. David.

World Rally Championship. Ohe give it to you David.

She didn't win the championship. She won World Rally Championship

rounds. I'll pay it up.

OHK OK yeah, OK. I'll pay.

I'll pay that. Question 8 Mitsubishi used AYC.

What is the acronym stand for? Oh, I see.

Yeah, OHS. Something you're.

All control active your control. Yeah, I'll I'll give you a .5

each for that. Do you know because Rob helped

you out active your control is? Currently active, you're in

control, is something people pointed out.

Look at that. Definitely not, because The

Limits of Shiba was definitely not a snow fest to drive.

That's when that's where it came out.

Question Nine Who styled the Holden Piazza?

Dated. Hey, David.

It was to Jario. Cook correct.

That is correct. Yes, I will pay in Jersey.

Questions he Ace of clubs. I said clubs I think was the was

the name of the of the concept car that it was based on.

I'll think it's a good looking car.

I actually actually quite, quite like it.

You can't. The last question is a brochure

question. No.

OK, representing one of the most significant changes to full drops the last 20 years, Blanks monocoque body with its inbuilt frame has. Contributed.

To Ed. EDD.

Mitsubishi, Pajero. It is Pajero.

Well done. Yeah.

Yeah. That is the quiz score.

Check Rob onto David on Sorry, Edward on 3 1/2.

And tonight we're on. A grand total of 123456 is Mr.

David Good school. Thank you very much.

Very nice. That's that is what you that's

what happens when you you play video games.

David Prince, yeah. Yeah.

Guys. Listen to this laugh.

Wanna play mixed in that? Well, they go, Sean, I found you

a beta tester for the new Grand Theft Auto.

It's a yeah, I love it to be me, but I think David Prince got more gaming pro so. Got some I watch Gran Turismo

whilst I was on the plane on the way to Vietnam.

Pretty good movie, I thought it was alright.

Yeah it was. It was it wasn't it wasn't a bad

movie actually. You know based off based off a

true story. There was, there was a lot of

fun. It was actually a lot of fun.

The guy that did the racing and stunt driving in the actual movie was the guy that actually was the movie was based on which is pretty cool. Yeah.

So. So I think Sean, you got some

competition. I think you need to offer him a

job at Rockstar and he knew the company.

He knew, you know. He was closest too, to be fair.

Still bit off, but closest too so.

Yeah, yeah. Closest to.

I think, I think you're I think you're in the wrong in the wrong industry. I think.

I think. You're you're a gamer, David.

You're a gamer. Evidently.

Evidently. Hmm.

Absolutely gamer. Absolutely.

Total Gamer Gentlemen, I think there is a podcast for this evening. Good evening, Matthew, Rob and

David. Speed Run.

Just wanna say David Prince and Mr Edward Bunting.

I listen, I'll be as as I do so all your podcasts to the latest one on the weekend and I thought Barnes was quite funny and I had a lot of good cards. So good listening give you a

short plug because it was a quality listening on the last this, this whole season to be fair.

Thank you very much. Thank you Matthew.

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