Youngtimers: the future of Porsche enthusiasts

Andy B, another podcast. Indeed. It's time to record another. How you doing? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah,

mate. I'm really good. Thank you. I'm really good. How about you? I saw before we get into like

podcast proper on who, yeah, have a chat about your engine because I know you'd said last week

about it's coming out, but it's come proper out now. It's out. Yeah. It's just along there.

It's sat on my table. Partly dissembled as in all the tin work and stuff is off.

The oil cooler is off. So you're sort of getting down to the nuts and bolts of it.

So yeah, all is good. Nothing nasty found. Okay, good. So that's good. A few little

leaky bits that I was expecting to see, but everything is looking good. So yeah.

You never know. You know, we'll drop in that. You can find all sorts of gremlins hidden away

that you can't usually see or whatever. So yeah, all is looking good. Excellent, mate.

Excellent. Okay. Any news on yours? Any news on mine? Yes, bit of progress being made actually, mate.

So we kind of know which direction we're going to go in now, which is nice. I think we'll pop

that out publicly to everyone shortly. We could have a quick mention of that in the main bit of

the podcast. And yes, had a trip up north related to the car as well, which again,

I think most people in the know will probably guess the destination of said journey. But

yeah, nice to get the project moving. Rolling. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All good, mate. All

we should we dive in? Should we dive into this podcast?

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NB. Always a delight to be doing this shindig with you, mate. Good to see you, sir.

Yeah. Looking very well. Got a smile on your face actually. You're looking quite chipper.

Nice, mate. It's, well, likewise to be fair. Yeah, absolutely likewise. It's quite an

interesting podcast because we're the old boys in it, to be honest. I feel the real old boy.

Yeah. Yeah. It's a nice thing to do this, isn't it? So for everybody listening at home,

today's NineWorks Radio special episode in association with our friends at Heritage Park

Centre is entitled The Young Timers. It's all about the young Porsche enthusiasts that are

going to keep this whole industry going tomorrow. Let's hope so.

Let's hope so. Yeah. For reasons of value of our own cars. But also, there is an importance.

I genuinely mean it. I hope that young people look at sports cars now in the same way I did when I

was at a certain age and the same way you did when you were a certain age. Because you imagine all

of the experiences and connections that have been made just through that lust for a sports car,

whether it's Porsche or otherwise, it's taken us both on incredible journeys.

And it'd be lovely to see that happen for others. Well, we'll find out later. But I think that's

already happening for these guys, isn't it? They're experiencing things that they wouldn't

have experienced first without this. I think they're all quite lucky in that they've

been sort of supercharged into it by respective fathers. They've all kind of been helped along

the way and been influenced the right way. But I think they've all taken it on and enjoying it.

Yeah, yeah, definitely. So this is something we've wanted to do for quite a while, isn't it? So

nice to do that. And our three guests panellists for this episode, as you rightly pointed out,

are kind of trailblazers for that. They're getting properly stuck in,

whether owning a Porsche currently or otherwise. And they, like everybody listening at home,

or maybe even watching now, will hopefully take advantage of our deal, thanks to our friends at

Heritage Park Centre, where you can get 10% off your basket. We'll drop a little reminder about

that later on in the episode. But we're still so, so grateful for those guys for supporting us,

helping us keep all of our cars on the road so that the enthusiasts of tomorrow can enjoy them

when we're done with them. Brilliant. Have you got some news this week? I think there is a couple

of bits, isn't there, to bring up? Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I do just want to say a quick thanks,

Andy, to everybody listening or certain individuals listening who have kind of got together to

help get me out of Stuck, in regards to Little Irish, really, and get that car back on the road.

So yeah, some people have reached out privately in the aftermath of the engine,

lunching itself, and basically saying, how can I help? And yeah, I've set something up just as a

private solution to allow those that have wanted to help, it's given them an avenue to do so,

basically. And yeah, it has been a humbling week, mate. I cannot tell you the just kindness and

generosity of people. Just to even give a damn is one thing, but people are really rooting

for that car to get back and are doing something about it from their own generosity.

It's a crazy experience. I'd like to say an absolute heartfelt thank you to those

individuals that have helped out, basically. It's been incredible, so thank you.

Guys and girls. Elsewhere, we've had some collective members strapping on some buying boots.

Can we mention that before we get Stuck in? Come on. Oh, you're such good at memorizing these.

Well, it's the boot room feature on our WhatsApp community. It's been brilliant for that, and it's

nice to celebrate with people because, you know, buying a Porsche, that's such a special day, isn't

it? It's such a special day. So it's our pleasure to share that publicly. We're going to kick,

well, the theme is GTS, 911 GTS. We've got Neil buying a 911.1 GTS from Lakeside Classics.

We have got Rick buying a 911.1 GTS. I've put here car of the year question mark. I'm already

throwing it out there with the love that we've seen from within the collective on WhatsApp

for the 911.1 generation GTS. I can just see that being the Cayman R of 2026.

I really can. I really can. Yeah, there's another one going to be incoming on that,

which we can talk about another time. And also a big congratulations to Dan with his 992.1 GTS

with aero kit purchased from the Nineworks marketplace via our friends at Porsche Centre

Bournemouth in time for spring and the promise in this northern hemisphere of a beautiful summer

of good driving. Yeah. Congratulations, guys. Great to see all those new cars coming their way,

coming their way. Amazing. Yes, definitely. And on that note, we've seen a little bit of chat from

hopefully well placed sources in the industry in regards to PCCM plus. So it debuted in the

two dinned form with a big screen on the 996. Then it was rolled out for the 997.1 generation,

either last year or year before. Time flies. It's difficult to put a finger on it. But we're hearing

that 997.2 and 991.1 generation, 911s and their Cayman Boxster equivalent will be available from

April this year. Ours is. So not had direct confirmation from Porsche. I have a drop in 991

as well as the 997. Allegedly. Allegedly. Yeah. Allegedly. So yeah, April 2026,

a couple of months away. And I mean, that is especially for 991.1. That's just the missing

piece to that puzzle, really, because when you're choosing 991, gen one or gen two,

some people assuage gen two because of the fact it has Apple CarPlay and the connectivity it offers.

So there are aftermarket solutions out there and that's fine. But they're just not quite as

polished, I would say, in their application as the Porsche unit. So putting that in a dot one is,

I think, going to be a game changer. So long as it happens. So long as it happens. But that's

what we're just hearing out there on the grapevine anyway. So it's stuff. Good. Beautiful. All right,

with that in mind, shall we have a chat with our DNHC young timers? Absolutely. Looking forward to this.

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at heritagepartcenter.com. Well, Andy, I think we can split this conversation down into two categories.

We've got the over 30s and the under 30s, perhaps, as a wild guest stabbing the dark.

Well, I think you could say that I nearly eclipse everybody just in my one age.

Well, I was thinking about, yeah, the best describing the audience and the guest

panellists that we have for this evening. Certainly, one of the first questions we'd

like to ask the guys once we introduce them is our first Porsche memory. And I remember

playing a Need for Speed Porsche Challenge on what's now known as the PlayStation One.

I was thinking, well, you were probably there for the first electric Porsche, maybe? I think

that was 1898. Easy, easy. I was there for the impact on place, that's for sure.

Good. Well, we're here to learn, aren't we? So with that in mind, we'd love to introduce

our young timer guests who are all members of the Driven or Hidden Collective we're delighted

to say. So first of all, Grace, welcome to Nine Works Radio. Thank you very much for having me.

And to Ollie as well. Welcome to the podcast. Thank you very much. Nice to be on the podcast.

It's our pleasure. It's our pleasure, Ollie. And we've got Ethan as well. Ethan, welcome along.

Yeah, thank you for having me on Nine Works Radio. Very honored to be here. It's our pleasure.

It's our pleasure. So we've met you guys kind of individually and some of you have met each

other as well. All at Nine Works Events, which is lovely. You're truly living up to

the mantra of Driven, not Hidden. Grace as well. I think this today serendipitously

is like a one-year anniversary for your Instagram page, Flat Six Fun. If you want to just kind

of talk us through a little bit of that to begin with. Yeah, so a year ago yesterday,

marked one year of having my Porsche 986S. Me and my dad flew to the Aberdeen

and drive it back in a day on a bit of a whim. And yeah, couldn't be happier.

Can't believe that's a year ago. Is it really? I know. I mean so.

It feels like yesterday. That's exactly what I thought, yeah.

It's worth pointing out here to, especially members of the Driven or Hidden collective as well,

your dad being his geysership. Geysership. I am desperate for that to catch on. Desperate

for that to catch on. Who coined that this week? Someone on the collective. I can't remember.

We're having it. I've seen the car since. It's a lovely, lovely, lovely example that Grace,

but I'm sure at its core, the old man just wanted a day out with you and to drive a

lovely car back, right? Was that not the secret idea?

Any excuse. I think his Facebook post at the time was flying to Aberdeen.

Brackets. It involves a Porsche, so that's what he might as well want to remember.

Yeah, yeah. Well, hopefully he'll return the favour on his new car this week and you can

get a spin in that. So yeah, so the 986, that Boxster, that's your first Porsche, yeah?

Yeah, not my first car, but my first Porsche, yeah.

Excellent, excellent. Okay, and yeah, Ollie, Ethan, you're very much on the waiting list,

I guess, for first Porsches. Yeah, I'm looking at a 986 currently to get into once I've finally

passed my test, fingers crossed, I can get into a Porsche fairly soon. Wow, that's amazing.

Yeah, yeah, maybe Grace can offer some buying tips there from experience, I'd say,

and Ethan, I mean, every time I speak to you, it's a different Porsche on that wish list,

isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Obviously, Boxster all came in is what we're looking at at the moment.

Yeah, maybe, wait a few years, I think I want to get a house first. I know that's boring,

I'm the answer, no one wants to hear, but yeah, looking at moving out first.

Yeah, there's always, that is the sensible option, by the way. I know your dad, Brian,

is going to want me to say that as well, but there's definitely more money to be made in

bricks and mortar than there will be in Porsches. Mark my words, I wish someone told me that 18

years ago, to be honest. Not as much fun though. No, no, no. It's nice to get a bit of a flavour

then for, I guess, where you guys are at in ownership and aspirations and everything else,

but the reason Andy and I wanted to speak to you guys today was just to learn a few things,

really, and I think it'd be prudent to start the conversation by asking what was your first

portion memory? Maybe, Ollie, can we start with you on that?

Yeah, from memory, I would say it was probably going to a VW event, weirdly, which was called

Volksworld. I can't remember where it was hosted, but I think it was, I was about four years old,

and I remember seeing something, which I probably didn't even know what it was at the time, which

was a 924, and it looked so many, it looked really different compared to like all the, you know,

VW Beetles or Vans or whatever, and I just really liked the shape of it, and I think that's probably

where it started, or either being collecting hot wheels at a young age, and some of them being

Porsches. So, was it always cars for you, Ollie, growing up there? Yeah, yeah. At a young age,

being surrounded by cars, I definitely grew on quick to being involved in cars quite a bit.

Yeah, yeah. Your dad affected you, isn't he? Yeah.

Have you got a good impression of her? I do have a sister, yes.

Is she into cars at all, or is... I would say she appreciates them, but I wouldn't say she's

massively into cars. So, that's quite interesting, because I know your dad has had a 924.

Yeah. So, was that kind of reverse engineered from when you said, oh, I quite like them,

or did you, was him owning that as a result of your aspiration? How did that play out?

I don't know. I think it was just kind of, it kind of just randomly popped up, and you just kind of

thought, it was another cheap Porsche, let's do like a project, and I think that's just,

it's just kind of come full circle, really. I don't know. It's, yeah.

Well, I think you have decent powers of persuasion, because we're regular, or yeah,

wider listeners to the podcast, knowing that Ollie and Ollie's dad, Tim,

yeah, joined us for the museum trip, wasn't it, in October? Yes.

And I remember us sitting round at the end of the first night, and we were chatting about cars,

and you said you quite like the 997 RS, and your dad was saying, you know, yeah,

a lot of money and everything else, and then on the last night, the three of us had a conversation,

and your dad asked me about finance companies for a 997 RS, so you've cracked the case, mate,

you've cracked the case. I think that was also persuasion into getting a yellow Cayman R was

also, that was also a thing as well, he was looking at turbos, and I was like, oh, look at

this yellow Cayman R, there's only two of those in the UK, and I thought, yeah.

But you had like portfolio advisor, I would say, Ollie at this stage, so very good, very, very,

very good. Grace, how about you then, mate? What was your kind of your first memory of Porsche,

and how did things start for you and cars generally as well?

I've been trying to sort of rack my brains about this, because I feel like I've been going to car

meets for a better part of a decade, and I'm 21, but I think my earliest memories were going to

Ace Cafe in my dad's 997 C for us, and we'd come after school, or quite often we'd be putting

our pyjamas and going, oh, we're going to Leeds Castle tomorrow, we're staying in a Premier Inn

tonight. So I remember sort of being swept away in a car for a random meet in the dark and thinking,

what is this? So I've always said this is sort of a forced interest that has now become my permanent

hobby, where I sort of hate it, and I thought, why am I being pulled out of my room from watching

Disney Channel to go and look at bits of metal, but now I love it, and I can't help it anymore.

I love that. Oh, just amazing. How about that for osmosis, hey?

Yeah, I mean, again, I'm pretty sure you were there, Grace, but I mean, this is, yeah,

possibly knocking on 10 years ago, and there was a car and coffee down at Port Portsmouth,

and your brother was there, and I remember him making a few bobs, because he was going

around cleaning everyone's wheels and nabbing the old Fiverr here and there.

It's amazing. It's amazing. He's a millionaire, no doubt now, but it's high evidence of what

you were saying. You really were, in the same way, Ollie's childhood reflects that as well.

You were grown up around cars, possibly turbocharged by your dad's passion that's been

passed on to you. Yeah, definitely. I mean, it's more than just an excuse to see him at the

weekends, but it's mainly the only time I see him nowadays is at a car meet. We've got a group chat,

me, him, and Mike. It's just called Boxster, and it's just, we're going here. Have you signed up

for this? Have you seen this car this long heel and toe? Have you seen this online-works marketplace,

and it's really bad, and we'll just encourage each other now.

That is so, so good. It sounds like Porsche came along first for you, Grace, and that kind of

Porsche led a wider appreciation of cars. Yeah, I'd say so. I mean, I'm interested in

anything German, to be honest, but definitely Porsche to begin with. It's always top of the list,

and I've always aspired to have Porsche to achieve it at twins. He was a pretty good guy, and I think

of my dad jealous. The first thing he told me was, oh, you've beat me by a decade or something, so

that was good. Yeah, you've done unbelievably well there, unbelievably well. Big congrats to

you, and I really hope Ollie can follow in your footsteps there as well, as in regards to the

earlier comment. So I guess, yeah, okay, should we ask what attracted you to the Porsche brand then?

So I know you've kind of had that gentle helping hand along the way by your parents, but as the

saying goes, you can lead a horse to water, can't make it drink. So what was that kind of moment

for you that made you think, actually, no, I really like Porsches, and this is why?

I think just the community in general, to be honest, going to so many meets, seeing such a

varied range of cars, and it really is just something for everyone, and you know,

people would sort of talk to us kids out of pity. Porsche would be dragged along again,

but really, you just sort of get to know people, and in my head, I think, oh, I remember speaking

to Lee when I was 13. So it's almost like my dad's friends have become people that I talk to

about cars as well now. So yeah, definitely having a chat, getting to sit in other people's cars was

always exciting. So yeah. I love the fact that you've gone straight to the people grace. That's

a big value, as you well know, of the driven or hidden collective. As the saying goes, yeah,

you come for the cars and stay for the people, and it sounds like that's really what's hooked you in,

I guess. Yeah, I'd say so. Awesome, absolutely awesome. Ollie, how does that work for you then?

What like attracted you to the Porsche brand? I think it would have been Porsche Motorsport,

really, just kind of watching other Le Mans or Spa or something and going to, you know,

different various events where Porsche is race. I think I do love what Porsche do with motorsport

and like the liveries and all that kind of thing. And I just, I don't know, it's kind of,

that stuff for me is, yeah, really cool. You've been to Le Mans a few times, haven't you?

I have, yes. I think it would be my fifth year this year.

Fantastic. Is that the Le Mans 24 hours or the classic?

Le Mans 24 hours. And what, are you a stay up all nighter to watch the racing?

I'd like to think so. I do stay up quite late to watch some of the racing.

Lee would like to think so, but he's been asleep many a time in his

996 when I've been watching. Yeah, I think that's had something to do with the

10 points of beer I've had in the run up to that moment, Andy, to be honest with you, mate.

But yeah, sorry, Ollie, you were saying that. Just sitting in a camping chair or whatever,

on like a, in a field or something, watching, well, on like a kind of spectator thing,

watching the cars going round at like 10 o'clock at night and it gets really cold.

You kind of do think to yourself, is it really worth it? I might go to bed, but yeah.

It's, again, what I learned from the road trip to the museum in October, and that was obviously the

first time I'd met you, Ollie, your portion knowledge is outstanding, mate. Like, you

really, really, really know your stuff. It'd be interesting to know,

yeah, a bit more about where all of that came from, because I understand, you know,

you like going to Le Mans and you've been to car shows and events, but that knowledge

is gleaned from textbooks and the internet as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah. I don't actually know where I picked it up from, but yeah, I think it went a bit

mad after lockdown. I started just picking up all this information and I don't know,

it was kind of just second nature, really. But I find myself to just randomly obtain like

random bits of information or something, and then just, it pops into my brain about

some random things like, I don't know, a PCS color. I'm like, oh, that's that. But yeah, brilliant.

Well, you've retained it all, because again, yeah, there's numerous chats we had on the road

trip, and I was absolutely astounded by your attention of knowledge, all to do with that

portion of brand. It's, yeah, if total 9-11 was still going, I think you'd be in prime

candidate to edit it, to be honest with you. So you really, really know your stuff. So

Ethan, we'll come to you if that's okay. I can't remember if you ducked out before we asked you

about your first portion memory. Around 2013-14, it took a 981 Boxster, silver with red roof and

interior. And the first thing I remember as a 10-year-old, the key was in the shape of the car,

which I thought was pretty neat, even back then. Just did some road trips in that, went to Wales,

Snow Daniel all around. It was only of recent times when I really got into my porch,

not as much as Ollie, I don't think anyone is. But from where I was to where I am now,

it has increased quite significantly, and it's probably down to this 9-works collective.

This chaos that is 9-works, yeah. So, I mean, again, we've previously asked Grace and Ollie,

Grace was saying that it was like that love of Porsche kind of spearheaded a wider appreciation

for automotive. Was that the case with you, or did you kind of you found cars first and then

Porsche's a bit later on? Yeah. My dad before the Boxster, we had a Caterham, and we used to

go out in that every once a month in the summer. And then I think Caterham's the exhaust is down

the side. I think my mum burned her leg on it, and then she said, right, you're getting rid of it.

And then she drove past the Porsche showroom in Nottingham, and she was she rang my dad saying,

oh my god, just seen the most beautiful car. I think she described the silver as mink,

so she said, I've just seen a beautiful mink colour car. Fantastic. Again, knowing your dad,

I would pay great money to see you and your dad in a Caterham.

Well, I was half the size then. The superb, absolutely superb. So, yeah, I like it. How did

you rate the Caterham, because you've obviously been in a lot of Porsche since people on road

trips have been really kind to lend you a passenger seat for a stint. So yeah, as a quick

diversion, how does a Caterham compare to any Porsche that you've been in? I think it's quite

known on some road trips. I like to have a like to have a little nap and they're driving. I don't

think I would ever fall asleep in a Caterham. A fixed noxious, to be honest. They're probably

who sums up the Caterham experience, doesn't it? Yeah, zero chance of a power nap. Yeah,

pretty good, pretty good. Yeah, yeah. So yeah, so we kind of then went on to ask in like what

attracted you to the Porsche brand to begin with. So you've seen that Boxster for the first

time. You like the fact it has like the same shape key as the car and whatnot, but what made

you kind of appreciate Porsche for what it is? Two things really. Like my thing with that second

Porsche, that supercar was at 997 GTS. And that was our first international road trip, went to do

the Normandy beaches of like a World War II history trip, because I was doing it at school,

and me and my dad are both interested in that. And that car, Peter K, Black 997 GTS, Alcantara

everywhere, it was just unbelievable. And then that made me realise, yeah, this Porsche brand

are quite good at making cars. Between the three of you then, Grace, Ollie and Ethan, you know,

your entry points into Porsche, apart from the persuasion of your parents, I might add, you've

named, you know, people, engineering and motorsport, which really is kind of the full facet of what

Porsche is all about, really. So it's quite interesting that that each, yeah, each little

faction of what Porsche is all about has kind of brought you into that central melting pot,

really. So that's super, super, super cool. With like Porsche today, and the cars that

Porsche produces today, how do you feel about that and the company? Maybe, Ollie, start with you.

I always get excited for a new GT product. I think it's always good to see what they do,

compared to like the last generation of cars, and like how much different, like for instance,

what, how much more horsepower is there or what, what have they changed to be different and what

kind of new things like, for example, the 992, the recently just came out, the DOT2, has now got

the new foldable buckets, which I thought was really cool. And for the touring, it's got the

lightweight pack where you can have like rear seats and all the rest of it. But for me, which I also

really like is the Sunderwinch division, what they're doing with certain cars, like creativity

and customization with different owners and stuff. And kind of like harping back to like

older cars, like with the Turbo 50th, they've like put the different interiors from what would have

been the 930 Turbo. I think that is amazing. They seem to do it for quite a few different cars,

and it is, it's something I really do enjoy. Yeah, lovely. So you're very, very pro what

Porsche is doing with its current car lineup by the sounds of it all. Yeah, I do tend to find

myself looking at more older cars as well though, like for instance, the 997 and probably backwards,

like 996s, 993s and that kind of thing. Yeah, okay. How come? I feel like the experience,

I've been in a few and I feel like the experience of them is more raw and I feel like

there's nothing better than a Metzger engine in my opinion. I think they're brilliant.

That experience I had on the on the tour at Stuttgart last year in Benz 997, I thought that was

amazing. I love the sound of it. Yeah, so you got a passenger ride with Ben, did you?

Yeah, and that was, yeah, that was a lot. He can really drive. It's a lot. It's gonna be quite

frantic. Yeah, that's an amazing experience in a top-top car as well. Yeah, love it. Love it.

Yeah, how about you then, Grace? How do you feel about kind of Porsche and Porsche sports cars today?

I think I've loved every generation and nearly every model of Porsche, I think. So

I'm not particularly worried that they'll ruin it. I'm just sort of quite interested to see

they've got such a solid fan base, such a solid phone of people. Everyone loves Porsche,

as far as I'm concerned. I don't want to hear otherwise. So I can't see anything ever going

wrong with it. I just would love to see what the future will look like in terms of, you know,

electrics and hybrids and how they would involve that, but still sort of keep the raw

passion of Porsche in general. Yeah, yeah. Over like, you know, as a as a box-door owner currently,

how do you see or how would you like, say, the next five years to pan out for you from an ownership

perspective? You know, we always have one eye on the next purchase, don't we? Where's your kind

of interest taking you along that road, Grace? I'm afraid it is sort of taking me backwards.

I'd love a 993 or a 996 to keep with the fried eggs, but I'll never, ever get rid of the box-door

and I'll try not to eat my words, but the idea of having something as lovely to drive and

as sort of raw in its power, but then a little bit more technologically advanced or

a slightly more plush interior that I could maybe daily drive or something, that's really

interesting to me as well. So whatever comes out next, I suppose I'm sure I'll be interested,

but I reckon my next step is probably backwards. Yeah, yeah, it is really, really interesting.

It's lovely to hear that the passion for the older stuff isn't just emanating from,

yeah, us diddering old touches. The old boys. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's wonderful,

absolutely wonderful. Ethan, how about you then, mate? Yeah, there's a lot of love in the nine

works ecosystem for the back catalogue. And, you know, we went to Sicily together, Lee, and you

were saying it was every time you turned the engine on, it was taking you five minutes to

knock everything off. So that's a bit of a worry. Obviously, the new cars,

you know, I think they might be pricing themselves out of it. I know there's a lot of love for the

99 2.1 and 0.2 T's, but when people were speccing them, I saw one, one was like 150 grand.

And, you know, that was always like the cheat one in inverted commas.

I hear them targets now. I think that one you had was 175 grand. I know inflation,

but, you know, eight, nine years ago, my dad had read GTS in 2017, and that was a 117 grand. So,

yeah, they are increasing. You know, everyone says the driving experience is worse,

most some people say. Yeah, yeah, boys, it's nice, you know, it's nice to hear you're aware of that

and as an aspiring owner, yeah, like the cost of this does matter. And obviously,

your dad has got a wonderful 99 2.1 T4S heritage pack inside. It's a Venturine green for memory,

isn't it? Correct, yeah. Yeah, yeah, wonderful, wonderful thing. And yeah, I mean, we were discussing

on that Sicily trip. He's with the Dot 1, the press car I had as the Dot 2

target, it was, it's a big step up in price. It is a very big step up in price.

Yep, definitely. And looking at it as a passenger, I didn't spend much time in your GTS just looking

at it, but I'm not as clued up with all the differences. But just one thing I do look at

is the price and it was just considerably more, I think. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, fair observation,

yeah, yeah. So, as we said, you know, with this being like the young time of podcast and you're

all very, very lucky to be, to be so young. So, yeah, when you're going to these

meets and events and road trips, and this question really is for both inside and outside the

collective, it'd be interesting to see if it's different at all. But do you feel like the weight

of your youth, you know, and how do you find interacting with people? Because the audience

generally for Porsche tends to be a little bit older. So, yeah, Grace, maybe if we start with

you on that one. I think probably from just being in and around the community since I was so young,

never really noticed. I speak to people that are a little bit older than me,

but everyone's so sort of accepting. And especially now that I've got the Boxster as well,

people like to have a look and everyone goes, oh, I love a Boxster, it doesn't really matter

to do it is. And then you sort of get chatting to people and then it's a good common ground for

anyone. So, I think it's probably helped me in day-to-day life as well. When I first started

my job, I had no sort of fear that speaking to anyone slightly older than me or slightly more

than I respectable in the business or knowledgeable just because I had that sort of experience

with making connections with people a little bit older and also being such a young and

inexperienced owner to be able to speak to other people that have got so much knowledge

and that are just so willing to share it with you. It's been a really good experience for me.

That's also, it's lovely to hear that your experiences with your hobby and Porsche's,

you've been able to take into wider life. That's properly awesome.

Yeah, definitely. I can't even think when it was now.

Could maybe six to seven years ago, I went to Stuttgart with my dad and the only real person

I remember being on the trip that I still be to now is Andy Bowers. I spoke to him at length for

ages and ages about something very random, but even now when I speak to him, he's almost

like a friend and we talk about cars and we talk about his son and things.

But yeah, it's just, it's so weird how adapted I've been to speaking to strange

augmented or a little bit older than me. Yeah. I love that. I love that though because it does,

what you're saying there is about, you've developed social skills. It's really helped

you develop social skills at a younger age than probably you would have done before,

because yeah, you have to speak to these creepy old men.

Well, four days on a road trip where I was maybe the only girl at all. It definitely was

trial by fire. It just has to talk to someone otherwise I'd be very lonely on this road trip.

Andy Bowers is a good man to talk to.

The other thing I'd say to that is it definitely works both ways and not that I'm calling Andy

Bowers an old fart. It keeps us, elder statesmen and women a bit younger as well. It is definitely

a two-way street and something that's entirely reciprocal. So it's only a positive thing for

everybody. What's your thoughts, dude? Yeah, as a plus one, I like to call it. My dad does the

driving in the day and then he's tired, falling asleep and then I speak to everyone at the dining

table and yeah, that's kind of like the highlight of my trip. Meeting all these people, met some

amazing people. If I was to shout everyone out, we'd be here until Christmas. So I'm

just deciding not to and just saying everyone's been fantastic and really welcoming as Grace was

saying and just building relationships that are people I can count on in the future or now.

Just some really great people along the way. I said to you previously away from the podcast

Eaton that I think it's worth highlighting. You have a real talent for listening and as the old

saying goes, we have two ears and only one mouth so we should listen twice as much as we talk but

you really practice that and something I feel has been entirely beneficial. Again, not just for you

but for other people in the room on these road trips is you taking a lot of what is being said

and there's a lot of experience sometimes. At the end of the day on a road trip,

everybody's sitting around the table discussing experiences with their cars.

There's a lot of knowledge and experience in the room that's being shared and I think you're

really good for taking it in in a similar way to Ollie. You're a bit of a sponge of or for

information. Yeah, I went on road trips with people in Northumberland and then Sicily or Sicily in

Stuttgart and I was reciting information that they told me a couple beers tasty

and I was telling them and they were like how do you remember that and I was like

because you're interesting. I'm interested in listening to things that are interesting

and I take an interest and I like these people at the end of the day

so of course I'm going to try my best to listen and remember to a lot of well everything that they

say. Yeah, top answer and yeah Ollie finally how about you? Well as I've mentioned a few questions

ago, we went on the Stuttgart trip and I was the youngest on the trip and I felt like it was

really nice to get a massive warm welcome by all these people that I've never met before

and it was great to hear their experiences of what cars they've owned and how they get along

with all these cars and it was just great to just chat about like cars in general or just

like an enthusiast kind of thing and just back and forth about certain cars that were on the

trip and what cars that were coming out or whatever and I found it quite nervous at first

actually meeting some people but after a while I did get into my kind of like rhythm and just

kind of talk to people and it just felt a bit more natural and now I just don't really think about

it too much. That's so mega to hear isn't it Andy to be honest. Fantastic, just shows what

a great bunch of people that we've managed to hook together and how well that anybody can join in

yeah it's absolutely brilliant. Yeah definitely you know regardless of your route to market

shall we call it. Certainly for a DNHC point of view so long as everybody just tips in a bit of

positivity into the conversation whether it's virtually by the WhatsApp group or a meet or

an event or a road trip then only good things can come from that and hearing the enthusiasm

of you guys as our panellists today I think exemplifies that which is a real credit to you

guys it has to be said. You've highlighted some incredible experiences that you've all had on

your portrait journey so far. I'd like to ask yeah what's your most memorable is there like

maybe a certain car perhaps that you've driven or passenger in that you just is absolutely

ingrained in your memory forever more. We need to ask Ollie this I think he's answered it already.

Well I think certainly in being on the road trips with Ethan and Ollie you guys are spoiled

for choice to be honest so yeah for Ollie maybe outside of the Ben Bailey experience

which is an umbrella for any car that is pedal but yeah okay why don't we start with Ethan on

that one. Oh yeah god some of the best weeks on my life Northumberland and Sicily and Stuttgart

just really eye-opening into the world really like I said I don't know if I've said but I've done the

museum trip with my dad as well when I was in May 2018 and we loved that and then

went on to do the 15 passes in four days so that was a special week but in the nine works

era I think it's been mentioned before the Friday night in Colesano watching the

Targa Florio classics that was just unbelievable it was like something it was like look to my

left it's The Godfather being filmed look to the right there's a classic Porsche going up

and being in a certain Mark Anderson's car GT3 that you drove in Northumberland he was going

quite quick and probably I think that was the fastest I've ever been in the UK.

I think it's turned swiftly but safely Ethan swiftly but safely yeah my mum's listening

27 but yeah just all all the people all the cars all the experiences I can't pick one just because

they're all so special pulling on to the Porsche Plats that was just incredible I think there

was 16 cars I was trying to do the maths earlier looking back for the WhatsApp to how many people

in the 16 UK Porsches pulling up to the Porsche Plats it was unbelievable superb absolutely

superb Grace how about you? I think I've had my fair share of good experiences and road trips

and what have you but one that really sticks with me isn't necessarily a trip or an experience

for insurance reasons this didn't happen but

I had frequented at least a manor home of Porsche by the lake for some kind of planning trip or

something it must have been a good couple of years ago I think I'd passed my test

less than a year maybe three months beforehand and we were just about to leave and I said

someone said to me oh is your dad going to let you have a spin

and I said oh no and then he never would and then he sort of overheard and he went oh you can

pull it out of the gate and it's got a very narrow gate and road leading into it so I've

got in the car obviously fixed seats so I couldn't actually really sit in it so any video or picture

I'm sort of about this far in front sitting like this at the steering wheel and as I went to pull

out of the gates someone was behind me so you're going to have to drive it so I can still remember

having sweaty white knuckles and sitting right up close like this and really being scared like

my heart's in my mouth and I've probably only got up to 45 mile an hour down a little country lane

but I just remember being so excited and thinking I've just got to do this forever now

it needs to be GC3

how about that for a happy accident though do you know what I mean that's amazing

that's absolutely amazing especially when you say right I've got to do this forever now

I think it's probably half a mile down the road but in my head even when I drive it now I think

I'm sure this was longer I'm sure I was I was driving for ages and it was probably a couple

of minutes but it was very exciting at least magic yeah driving a GT3 at the age of yeah what

19 20 whatever it was I think I was 17

wow GT3 at 17 bless the hell that is awesome yeah Ollie how about you buddy

oh um I think I'm spoiled for choice as well I mean for 2025 and just like in general I think

the nine works road trip I think was it'll be one that I always remember and I look forward to going

on many more in the future but to pick something to be a different answer I would probably say

I think it would be either Le Mans classic I one of the ones are my first Le Mans classic

which was I think in 23 if I'm not mistaken and I for the first time seeing those kind of cars at

going like pretty quick on track was pretty special I must say

completely mega yeah all super different experiences there again might I add by the way

Ollie I've got a question when do it when when he when's your test are you gonna tell us so that

we can all wish you wish you well on the day I think it's in April I'm not sure on the on the day

but I think it is on 8 in April I think it's like before my before my birthday I think

excellent so um how many lessons have you done so far I've done quite a few um

I also have done a test and didn't pass unfortunately oh I'm sorry to hear that that's fine um

my wife says that all the best drivers always pass

not on the first time so take that take that on board

yeah I've been practicing in my VW Polo recently which which has been yeah it's been good it's

been good to get back behind the wheel of a car again because I did have a bit of a break before

um after I did fail unfortunately um but I look forward to my next to to my test again

so then I can finally get behind the wheel and have some like self-independence and kind of

you know go places without having to ask for a lift or something yeah yeah yeah definitely

fantastic best of luck without yeah thank you sorry mate definitely definitely yeah I always

remember something uh that my dad said to me it was the day I passed my test and he said the

world opens up to you when you own a set of wheels and it sounds like that's a sentiment that

you're really feeling ollie you know just for like the sheer independence that it brings to you

yeah yeah I I also did a insurance quote on a box down I thought hold on a minute this is the

same as what I'd end up paying for a polo is it is there any chance I could get into one sooner

I mean I don't know let's just uh let's just focus on getting passed on the test first

I like your style but as I said earlier on you know I'm sure Grace could offer some advice on that

yeah yeah definitely definitely all right well look how about some aspirations for the future

then to finish off so we've looked backwards and discussed some experiences so you know what

what do you hope to get from your Porsche experience ultimately and is there a halo car

that you just absolutely love to have on your future driveway Ethan can we can we start with you

on that one uh yeah I've got a long list beautiful um 996 GT2 any colour I'm not picky uh 997 GTS

preferably uh black Alcantara uh pk um silver and red Boxster 981 um 930 whale tail and then I've

got a 991.2 uh target 4s graphite blue with bordo leather uh leather sorry um my dad had one and

it was probably uh I think my mum specced it and I think apart from having me and my sister I think

my dad says that's the third best thing she's ever done well done Brian well done

that taps in that taps into a common theme because certainly I know people in the collective

and otherwise who later in life have gone and sought out the car that their parents had or that

they remember maybe they walked past it on the way to school or something and there's just something

in our brains isn't it goes I've got to have that one day for myself and it sounds like with the

the 981 Boxster as well eastern that kind of might ring true with you there yeah and obviously the goal

is I can have multiple or you know I've got like a hero car list as well but that that's just

too far ahead but a box you know a 981 Boxster I think me and my dad were looking you know 23 to

27 grand you're looking at you know that is achievable in the short term you know in the

next five six years um you know I was actually looking on the nine works marketplace last night

to do a bit of prep um I think there's like a white Boxster with brown interior that was

quite smart you know white and brown's quite cool um yeah obviously I've got sports classic

STR and a turbo anniversary on there but you know think I need to get a bit older and earn some more

money first no I love it I love it it can never aim too high Ethan it'd be interesting to just

touch on that 930 as well I'm sure that'll chime with you Andy B love a 930 go on mate get it get

yeah yeah yeah but like you know it's it's a it's a bit left field it's very old school obviously

like precede your uh date of birth for example so what appeals about that car in particular

um think it's I know he's been mentioned before but Mr Ben Bailey um I know he's got a lot of cars

but that blue one he has every time he posts a picture of that on my instagram and I'm looking

outside and it's raining and he's off gallivanting again I'm like oh one of them and that colour the

the blue colour you can correct me on the name it's called Minerva yeah awesome yeah Minerva blue

um really cool really smart think we're looking at the next custodian for that car Andy B to be

I he's got he's got a crawl over the top of me first

flip a coin absolutely love it for it not flipping the coin

you can I think he's not a fan of his uh his boxer so I'll have that one instead

all right all right it's the deal you're just you're just helping him out aren't you Ethan you're

just helping him out yeah quality that is a superb answer Ollie we'll go to you next if that's

all right um I think an aspiration for me would be getting into a Porsche first like uh like a

986 or a 987 but the the ultimate dream and I think ultimate ultimate would be a 997 GT3 RS4

litre I think that that is the dream but I think the prices have gone a bit mental recently

and a lot of fluffing has been on them as well touch a class though Ollie like I love that that's

your proper connoisseur's choice GT3 RS4 litre that is and what what colour combination would you go

for Ollie um I would probably say there's only three of them in this colour but meteor grey

I think it looks really good in meteor grey yeah yeah again it is a pcs option but proper knowledge

proper knowledge but another thing would probably be taking a Porsche on a road trip like a nine

works road trip or going to the fat ice race and putting skis on the roof of the Porsche I think

that would be really cool this time next year Ollie I can feel it yeah yeah we're going we're

100 love that yeah how about you then Grace to finish in terms of your Porsche aspirations

for the future if it was up to me I'd have one of everything possible I'd love a trans out so I'd

love something old something new I think next steps I'd like something 996 not fussy um preferably

like some nice orange fried egg headlights be cup goods um 993 definitely at some point but yeah

if it was up to me I'd have absolutely everything but I'd like to go international anytime soon

if I could any kind of road trip I'd like to do all of the mountains and go to Germany do all the

museums sometime soon I reckon yeah yeah that's calling it interesting again with a 993 obviously

you know pre predating your time on on planet earth is there anything particular about the

last echo generation that you particularly like I don't know it just seems something special to me

this last one that I think looks really unique and I don't know it just really appeals to me

sort of that nice mix of new enough but quite a vintage feel have you managed to have a look

at Andy Bowers 993 I have because I went to the garage therapy and we all got to inspect it at

very very close proximity yes we did it we did it I did think it was quite unfair that my very

3986 was sitting next to it but it was nice to have a look at his yeah yeah yeah yeah is that

where is that where the sort of route was it started for the 993 I think I'll just have an

affection for the ones that look a little bit quirky so pretty much anything looks a little

bit quirky but definitely a 993 I think your um opinion of it being a the 993 being a really

nice mix between old and new that definitely chimes with me grace I have to say like it's

it's still like so old school in the way it looks in the way it sounds um even in the way it smells

which I know sounds quite weird but you know those those those cars have a certain smell don't they

Porsche perfume isn't it it's just like a mixture between like oil and fumes but um it's still so

usable as well and like Andy your ownership experience really highlighted that to me I mean

that car was just phenomenal there was nothing it couldn't do and it just belied its age I guess

I did doesn't it epic car I still yeah have a little little

what you call it moments where I'm like oh what did I do but there we go it's gone

really there's plenty more out there isn't there yeah yeah definitely is this it is a real a real

sweet spot between old and new so it's a great it's a great point made there grace to be honest

and um and roads as well is that is it are there any in particular or do you just literally

you just want to want to do them all I think yeah I want to do them all I think in the in

the black forest in Germany that's like a real sticking point in my mind that was a really great

memory doing all the someone was doing like kamikaze overtakes round like hairpins it was

really scary but really exciting I just love the idea of getting to experience it myself and drive

them roof down in the black forest that's going to be epic to be honest yeah yeah absolutely epic

all right well look guys we are so so grateful of your time Andy and I came into this conversation

wishing to learn a lot and we definitely have and um yeah there's kind of not not a lot else for us

to say other than like thank you thank you for all your contributions into the collective it really

is our privilege to have you as as part of it and your enthusiasm and your passion is the future of

not just the dnhc but that wider enthusiasm for Porsche anyway so it uh yeah it's just left for

us to say all the very best for your Porsche journey thank you very much thanks for having me

yeah thank you very much Lee and Andy that was great that was a lovely conversation I think it's

worth pointing out Andy that when um you ceased pressing the red button there's a really nice

conversation between the five of us and it culminated in grace giving some amazing tips to Ollie

on buying that Boxster as a as a first Porsche a first car once he passes his driving test it was

just a wonderful experience being part of that conversation to be honest yeah it was great wasn't

it love hearing the young timers views and comments and yeah what what they've got planned for the

future yeah the future is bright as they say yeah it is it is what is your first car memory

my first car memory uh I think it was probably my

dad's 1966 austin a 40 on holiday and it was a bit of a distressing memory

because my mum had to get out of the car and my dad had to reverse up a hill between Lin

muth and linton it's a really steep hill and the only reason he had to reverse up there was

because the car was so loaded down really had to go up in reverse gear because it's a lower gear

and my mum got ejected out of the seat out of the car because she she she was basically ballast

we come to ballast yeah wow wow so not enough probably a bit emotional and a bit like whoa

what's going on yeah yeah yeah yeah how funny the things people had to think I mean this is the

thing these days people generally don't seem to have anything like the same mechanical empathy

because I mean cars are so much more evolved aren't they but I guess back in the day there's

that's the sort of everyday sort of decision making you had to take into account with a motor vehicle

yeah yeah that's not it got me to get packed into that little car do you know what an austin a 40 is

even no no you've got no idea of it so no what can I say think of a car that's sort of between

the size of a mini and a um maestro two door with a little like boot that folds down at the back

like a mini so pretty small but probably the same engine as a mini an a series engine sort of

12-1300 or um cc's yeah yeah you see actually they see them at goodwood racing now

yeah I've just I've just googled it as well so like I feel like I've seen that car before yeah yeah

yeah so one of those yeah how funny how about what was your first memory funny enough uh yeah

entrenched in trauma in a kind of a similar way to you it's like my first car memory was um

my parents have will be able to fill this in or color this scenario in more than me but

we used to have I would imagine at the time I think it was maybe before e30 I can't remember

but it was it was a it was an early BMW 3 series that my mom yeah e21 pot yeah very possibly um

it was in red they loved it and apparently I loved it as well and I never called it the car I always

called it the BMW and this is like I could barely talk basically and apparently one time I even had

the hump at home and said instead of saying I'm going to sit in the car so I'm going to sit in the

BMW so stroppy from early age but I don't really remember any of that my memory is of it being sold

so some dude came to collect the car and I remember bawling my eyes out as the guy

drove the car up the lane and I I still remember that car driving away and apparently I was just

inconsolable for the afternoon so similar to you it's it's not one where you go oh that was lovely

it was going oh my god it was going on yeah yeah yeah I love it yeah a long time ago anyway yeah

thanks to our young timers for diving in and getting stuck into the conversation on our

max radio we'll before we wrap up things today we've got a top tip from our friend chris at

right tune he is giving some advice on if you are looking to buy a macan here he is

hello there it's chris from right tune here this week I just thought it'd be fun to talk about some

of the top five things we see with servicing various cars this week we're going to talk about

macans so you probably all know about the transfer box issues mostly if them have been changed in

warranty and some of them multiple times it's not really something to be too concerned about as

macans you know be looking for the drains the rear drains and the panoramic roof drains

another thing we see a lot of us particularly on the earlier ones the rads getting quite blocked up

there is sort of a foam strip in the front bumper you can remove and that helps the problem because

it basically acts as a collecting device for debris and that increases the risk of corroding

your radiator buggery front there wishbones get absolutely annihilated mainly due to the design

of them we can't see changing them in service also we do we do see a fair few turbos going on the

two litre another thing commonly changes the rear shocks cheers guys good advice yeah yeah very good

as always anything else that you'd like to we've got a conundrum yes so this was recorded

on the end of the first episode mark uh anderson came up with a conundrum

sort of off the spur of the moment i guess you would call it um so yeah let's uh because obviously

can't stay in a car for more than two months can he say yes looking for what's next so let's

listen to mark and uh what what he's up to next or what he might be up to next i don't know he's

probably already done it no you've already done it yeah it's worth it's worth pointing out because

this was recorded all in one so it contains both marks conundrum and then also he solicits answers

from the panel which was our panellists from a couple of weeks ago so you're getting the whole

thing in one here yeah here it is i have a car conundrum oh my name's mark of course

you can use this or not you can decide what to edit out um i currently have a search on manual

on manual 911s uh for sale on the opc network and i'm particularly interested at the moment

in stuff that's sub 200k so that's really got sts and sport coupes and the stuff that

sits in there at the moment because there's a couple of sts and a couple of sport coupes and

that they're over my budget i have the ability to do an allocation for a 992.2 touring in pts

but it'll be a 2027 car and i'm trying to figure out if i want to do that or i want to just go for

go for a touring on which that's on the market so basically i'm cross shopping a 991.1 a 992.1

and a 992.2 touring both manual and i don't know what to do whether to go and buy something that's

secondhand low mileage of the opc network there's a there's a beautiful agate gray one out there at

the moment there's also a beautiful guard red one out there which has been already tipped to the dnhc

by if and then there's there's the opportunity to do something in pts and do something on my own

spec which i'm kind of looking at but i don't know what to do but i want to get back at a touring this

year i'd say i think i think the decision should be governed by how long you think you're going to

have this car mark because i think if it's going to just be a car that you're in you're enjoying

and then you fancy another change again then maybe getting one that's in the marketplace now

you're probably going to get in and out for roughly the same money right i think if it's

going to be a long-term car i think there's definitely a benefit to speccing it exactly

the way you want it to pay extra for the paint scheme and the interior just remembering the spec

of your 992 Carrera you know that you could spec it the exact way you would want it but i think

that would only be a car that's going to that you know is going to be a long-term keeper because

we don't know given the price of a mu 992.2 touring with painter's outball

how long it's going to take for them to get back to the price you paid for it right

um mark are you are you having your itch to to move on the the gts

yeah i that car is a stopgap for me right now we'd either last until then i you know the the

2027 allocation came in for delivery yeah or i would i would move it um as early as march okay

i would go and do do the deal on the agate gray 992.1 touring

is that it's sorry is it dot one or dot two yes adult one it's retailing it about one

165 one and the other ones that were 0160 the the car's red one i would go and do the deal with

that how much you can either on your part exchange or your purchase uh or direct purchase live with it

for a while while you finalize the spec on the new car because i don't think that 165 whatever

the figure is it's got much to go down so then you're actually getting that opportunity of of

really deciding what you want on the spec of the of the doc too and what you like i love the man

maths by both i had that too no lee you you've driven both yeah my my my my opinions uh doesn't

come into the financial side of it so i have great admiration for ben and paul and their approach to

it and i have to say like certainly ben with with what you're saying that really chimes with me in

terms of you know how long you're gonna keep the car as to your next move i think kind of

ostensibly comparing the apples with apples the dot two for me just isn't worth the upgrade over

the dot one and i really like that the dot one just feels a little bit more gt car that the dot

two is indicative of the entire generation really just slightly more sanitized and there's a real

driving purist and i know you're very much in that school of thought i think that's more you i

don't want paul to do things for me and take things away i just want to be able to figure it out for

myself as a driver and for me the dot one is more rewarding experience as a result because it's

more tactile yeah i agree yeah that's why it's a it's a conundrum can can you put down your

deposit and you're not locked in and committed until you actually spec it and you won't be asked

to spec the new car until uh three months before so therefore if you went and took leads advice

oh my best go secure what you think is a good car and the right car of the dot one live with it

enjoy it and then you can delay that process and uh of whether you then spec and decide whether a

doc two is worth it and that way you're you're hedging you both both situations and also you're

going to be in a gg product coming over the summer for all those road trips

yeah no i know that that does make sense

yeah and also the the other thing is that you give the opportunity of

of deciding about if the pts side if you've been allocated to pts pts of what color you want you

can really start to to hone down because i think there's a lot of pts is now that it's

they've almost uh oak green metallic i know they've they've got a neo green as a standard color

isn't it or not it's a pretty color yeah it's one of the legends colors yeah yeah it's one of the

legends colors it's three key i think three and a half key versus the ten key yeah yeah yeah so

and i do think the pts is there's been quite a narrow band of what has been pts and then

then some of them are so out there you look at them i think there's been some stuff on

instagram recently you look at some sts and you look at them and think oh my god but yeah

yeah i didn't want to say quite sure of that but i mean shockers unbelievable yeah um

obviously spec late at night yeah i think it's spec by the new by a new generation that

yeah seem to have lost taste but there we go let's let's not uh yeah

quality go on pp yeah so i don't know so so i think that listening to lee listen

if you're wanting to move the gts on then why not get yourself into that gt product now

because you then may decide absolutely this is right and the other thing is there'll be

doc twos around that you can go and test drive before you happen to make that that choice there

will be some opc somewhere will have a doc two that's available for you to go and test drive and

you can go and test drive it and and decide whether having lived with the one whether the two is worth

it but i think you're going to be seeing a with a pts carbon ceramics etc you're going to be seeing

about 70 000 difference no it's not not quite as much as that but it's the spec that i've specced

was a pts color but not a lifbaugh car just a non non lifbaugh would be about 197 not including the

road fund license you know the the the 5k whatever it is um so about 197 versus yeah

197 versus one about 165 that's the delta i'm surprised i'm surprised that it comes in

below 200 yeah that's what lift carbon ceramics um color coded carbon ceramics uh with um

with an exclusive interior um and the color and um bows um you know the basics not

then i'll go from the magnesium wheels and the carbon doors and stuff like that yeah i think

they'll sage advice from pp i think to um to put the deposit down on the new car regardless

and then you know you've got up until well back end of 2026 to make a decision right yeah yeah those

cars would be starting to get delivered in September we'll go over and see see how how you

then if do go gen one you can back to back them on the same piece of road as well right

yeah exactly i mean obviously i've had a gen one but it was a pdk and you know i really i really

has clicked with me but 992 actually is pretty engaging when it's a manual um and i think a

manual touring would be yeah just getting back to that whole purity thing about cars that are now

turbocharged or cars that are now you know going to be pretty much pdk only you can see that go in

that way even if we've got combustion engines in porches they're going that way of not necessarily

being available as a manual not necessarily being available as a normally aspirated car

and i just like the idea of that last hurrah of like saying well actually you know if i want to

push the boat out get it get what i want and get it as a manual normally aspirated car and

in a 911 and you know get the four seats which is the obvious advantage of a 992.2 versus a 992.1

just having that car all seasons all singing all dancing version of that car even if it doesn't

have quite the the the raw rasp at the the last 200 rpm you know it maybe maybe that's the car you

know so that's what i've been looking at really and i just i can't i can't decide on it so many

cars i see i've got buckets in them i don't want a car with buckets um i want to be able to fold

that seat back because i want to get the dog in the back and i can get a hard mess on the on the

isofix even on a car with only two seats not with four seats so that's going to be okay but it's

those kind of little things you know just i i figured i think the advice is good you know just

get a deposit anyway to you know to secure interest and then you know work on finding the right car

in the opc network and really just try and get get the right spec and as long as that takes as

long as that takes and and then see what happens yeah i mean the the road tax thing at the moment

is five forty two four and a half five grand that's not guaranteed to stay at that level no

either uh yeah i think get the deposit down and then if if the right dot one comes up then

then take that opportunity but also think about the way that you do like to not really not you

like you like to well you perhaps the reason you chop in changing the cars is because you haven't

found that the one the one that's your keeper well i think i'm not i think i think you have found

one of the ones right yes yeah the gt3 the 997 the 997 is definitely a keeper so it's the stable

mate that we need to find now right yeah uh definitely and that that's always the other

thing right because you feel like you're you don't want to put all these unnecessary i mean

it's the back to back to the guy's problem right you you get you get something that's really nice

in the garage and then you're like well i'm a bit more precious about it i won't take it out today

because it's raining i won't do this with it i won't do that with it i won't go and stick it

in an airport car park i don't feel that way about the gts the gts has been in an airport car park

for 10 days now you know it's all of that stuff is is up there i've just got to get over that in my

head if i go that route you know which is what got me out of the original tuning so quick question

for you mark if um if you could have your time again and you know you still were in your 992.1

touring will you still have been comfortable to take that to the south of france on the salty roads

in december uh twitch this is the whole this has come back to to the the to guys issue right

that he's got this beautiful beautiful car but almost too nice to too much too nice to users

intended right that's right i think sort of comes back to so the car that you can put your keys in

go out for a drive then is the one that's most fun there's a there's a lot there's a huge amount

to be said for having a car that you don't have to be precious about um and you know you're

absolutely right you know you can drive it through winter you can take it to an airport car park you

can you know and um yeah so i think that's something to think about mark isn't it isn't it uh isn't it

car with something things are more likely to happen to it um and if you don't care about it

nothing blooming happens to it yeah yeah yeah i'm also enjoying mark uh the the potential for

the nine-much radio car nundrum to just be your car nundrum there's so much content

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