A lively wrap-up of 9WERKS Radio mixes Porsche news, marketplace talk, and two “car-nundrums” from the community. Hosts debate Porsche color choices, then cover Porsche delivery drops (718 production and EV tax changes) and the new CEO’s push for higher-margin halo models above the 911. Marketplace segments focus on rising 993 values, “hot rod” air-cooled builds, and value comparisons. Conundrums tackle whether to swap a 992.1 Turbo S/Targa/Boxster lineup for a GT3 Touring, and whether to keep a 996 daily or jump to a GT3—plus advice on reversible modifications.
Should you stick or should you twist? In this week’s episode, Lee and Andy dive into the mailbag to solve some pressing "car-nundrums" from our DNHC members. We explore the psychological and financial battle of deciding when to invest further into your current Porsche and when it’s finally time to move it on for a new experience.
Beyond the dilemmas, we turn our attention to the current trends within the 9WERKS Marketplace. We analyze the notable rising values of the Porsche 993, discussing whether the final air-cooled 911 has officially moved into a new bracket of collectibility. We also dive into the fascinating world of the air-cooled hot rod. What is the merit of a "properly built" bespoke 911 compared to a factory-original car, and why is the appetite for these personalized machines stronger than ever in 2026?
In this episode, we discuss:
Stick or Twist: Solving DNHC member dilemmas—is your Porsche a "forever car" or just the current chapter?
993 Market Watch: Why the 993 is seeing a resurgence in value and what it means for buyers today.
The Art of the Hot Rod: What defines a "properly built" air-cooled 911 and where the value lies in a modified classic.
Marketplace Gems: A look at the standout cars currently listed on 9werks.co.uk.
Driven Not Hidden: Why the best ownership experiences always start with a car that actually gets used.
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"I think Python Green is pretty stunning, I have to say. I'm a big fan of Guards Red."
Python Green is the name of a specific Porsche paint color. The speakers are saying it looks great in real life, not just in photos.
Python Green is a Porsche paint color name. Color names like this matter because Porsche’s palette can look very different depending on lighting and weather, and enthusiasts often debate which colors suit which models and eras.
"I'm a big fan of Guards Red. I know that's like de facto ubiquitous, but I genuinely believe..."
Guards Red is Porsche’s famous red paint. It’s super common on Porsches, but the point here is that they still think it looks right on almost any Porsche.
Guards Red is one of Porsche’s most iconic red paint colors, strongly associated with the brand’s classic look. It’s often described as “de facto ubiquitous” because it appears on many 911s and other Porsches, but the hosts still argue it works across multiple eras.
"Unfortunately, when it was really...
Was it the launch colour on a particular car?
It was around for the 992 Turbo Launch."
A “launch colour” is a paint color that comes out when a new model is introduced. Sometimes those debut colors get repeated a lot later, so people start to feel they’re overused.
A “launch colour” is a paint color that’s introduced or heavily associated with a model’s debut. These colors can become recognizable and sometimes “overused” in later years, which is why the speakers are debating whether this particular blue has been used too much.
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NineWorks10 is a discount code you can enter to save money when buying parts from the sponsor’s website. It’s basically a coupon.
NineWorks10 appears to be a promotional discount code for Heritage Parts Center. In the context of the show, it’s likely meant to reduce the cost of Porsche parts purchases.
"Yeah, look at that little crarity, just winking at me.
Yeah, with the aero kit.
It reminds me of the GTS I borrowed from the guys"
An aero kit is a set of add-on body parts meant to help the car “stick” to the road. It usually includes things like wings or front/rear pieces that change how air flows around the car.
An “aero kit” is an aftermarket or factory set of aerodynamic parts—like wings, splitters, and diffusers—designed to change airflow around the car. On track-focused Porsches, these parts are often about increasing downforce and improving stability at speed.
"It's very, very similar in form to the rear wing,
bi-plane rear wing, on my GT3,
which was designed by Mr Tony Hatter."
A bi-plane rear wing is a rear spoiler with two “levels” instead of one. The goal is usually to push the car down onto the road more when you’re going fast.
A bi-plane rear wing uses two stacked wing elements to increase aerodynamic efficiency and downforce. Compared with a single-plane wing, it can provide stronger stability at speed, which is why you often see this style on track-focused cars.
"But it is 20-odd years old, like, in terms of aerodynamics. So, yeah, did you know?"
Aerodynamics is how the car moves through the air. Better aero can help the car feel more stable and go faster with less drag.
Aerodynamics is how air flows around a car, affecting drag, downforce, and stability. When someone says a car part or design is “20-odd years old in terms of aerodynamics,” they’re talking about how effective that design still is compared to modern shapes and aero packages.
"Yeah. Shall we dive into deliveries? Just very quickly. Deliveries? Yeah, Porsche has just announced deliveries down 15% year on year..."
Porsche is the car company being talked about here. They’re sharing a news update about how many cars they delivered compared to last year.
Porsche is the automaker being discussed in the context of quarterly delivery numbers. In the episode, the brand’s reported delivery decline is used as “bit of news” for listeners tracking the market.
"The lighters about having to potentially put in a model above the 911... Yeah, that will sit above the 911."
The Porsche 911 is Porsche’s most famous model. When they say “above the 911,” they mean a more expensive, more exclusive car would be positioned higher in the lineup.
The Porsche 911 is the brand’s core model line and the benchmark for how Porsche positions its lineup. In this discussion, “above the 911” means Porsche would place a higher-priced, higher-margin model slot above the 911 in the hierarchy.
"That was full electric, wasn't it? But I'm guessing this is going to be not full electric."
“Full electric” means the car runs on electricity only, using a battery and electric motor. There’s no gas engine involved.
“Full electric” means the vehicle is powered entirely by an electric motor and battery, with no gasoline engine. In the context of Porsche concepts, it’s a major clue about the intended powertrain direction and packaging.
"I think he even had a sharp blue Boxster as his new Instagram name, and then quickly had to change it to Voodoo."
Instagram is where people post photos and updates. Car folks use it to share what they’re driving or building.
Instagram is a social media platform where car owners often share photos and updates. In car communities, it’s commonly used to announce builds, new purchases, and changes to a car’s branding or nickname.
"It depends on the use case, isn't it? [998.6s] Definitely. Always use case, use case. [1000.8s] And then lastly, Adrian picked up a lovely Speed Yellow Boxster S 986."
They’re basically saying the right car depends on what you’re going to do with it. A car that’s perfect for one person’s driving might not be the best for someone else’s routine. So you should match the car to your lifestyle.
“Use case” is the idea that the best car choice depends on how you’ll actually drive it—commuting, touring, track days, weather, passenger needs, and so on. In enthusiast circles, this is often used to explain why different categories (like GT cars vs. other styles) can be “amazing” but only for certain owners and situations.
"And we saw this when we had our DNHC cars and coffee RPM. Matt previously purchased the Nineworks grill batch from you."
“Cars and coffee” is a casual car meet where people bring their cars and hang out. It’s a common way for enthusiasts to show cars and meet other owners.
“Cars and coffee” is an informal car meet where enthusiasts gather to show and talk about their cars. The episode mentions it in connection with Porsche DNHC cars, suggesting a community event where cars are displayed and discussed.
"We've got one from Paragon, currently on the marketplace, Polar Silver. We've a dark blue leather interior, 90,000 miles on the clock."
Polar Silver is the car’s paint color. Certain colors can be more popular, which can influence how desirable (and valuable) a car feels.
“Polar Silver” is a specific exterior paint color being used to describe the car listing. Color matters in Porsche pricing and desirability because some shades are more sought-after and can affect perceived condition and resale value.
"We've a dark blue leather interior, 90,000 miles on the clock. That's up at one four five. So definite uplift."
They’re saying the car has about 90,000 miles. Higher mileage usually means more wear and can change what a buyer should expect to pay.
The car is described as having “90,000 miles on the clock,” which is a key factor in used-car valuation. Mileage affects expected wear items, service history expectations, and how buyers price maintenance risk.
"It highlights a wider story on hot rods. Yeah. Because there has been a bit of chat in the DNHC on air called hot rods."
A hot rod is an older car that’s been changed to be more fun to drive. People often build them to actually use them, not keep them pristine like a museum piece.
“Hot rods” are typically older, modified cars built for driving enjoyment rather than strict originality. The discussion here is about the mindset: using and enjoying a car that’s been refreshed or modified instead of keeping it “showroom perfect.”
"They are, they are peppy things, aren't they? So that it's therefore not the car to drive to the shops in."
“Peppy” is a driving-feel description meaning the car feels lively and responsive. Here it’s used to characterize hot rods as fun to drive, even if they aren’t the best tool for everyday errands.
"[1724.0s] So you can't can't use it.
[1725.6s] Depends on how it's been hot rodded, isn't it?
[1727.6s] Yeah, to what extent?"
“Hot rodded” refers to modifying a car to improve performance, drivability, or style—often with upgrades that may not be factory-correct. The key point here is that how a car has been hot rodded affects whether it’s still practical to use day-to-day.
"[1749.2s] Caged and.
[1750.2s] Yes.
[1750.6s] No carpets."
“No carpets” indicates a stripped interior, which reduces weight and can make the cabin louder and less comfortable. It’s mentioned as part of why some hot rods are less suitable for everyday driving compared with a more “usable” build.
"What's that shifter that's in the middle? [1798.0s] That's the CAE. [1800.2s] That's it."
They’re talking about a specific aftermarket gear shifter from CAE. These shifters are designed to make shifting feel more precise and “tight,” especially when driving hard.
“CAE shifter” refers to a gear shifter made by CAE, an aftermarket motorsport parts brand known for short-throw shifters and linkage components used in performance and track cars. A higher-quality shifter can improve shift feel and reduce slop, which matters for spirited driving.
"Take a look at that speed yellow Carrera RS inspired build at Williams Crawford. Here's an interesting one for you."
Williams Crawford is the place mentioned where this Porsche build is happening or being sold. It’s a specialist shop, not a regular dealership. That can affect how the car is prepared and how well the work is documented.
Williams Crawford is referenced as the shop/dealer location where the Porsche build is being done or offered. For listeners, this signals that the car is coming through a specialist channel rather than a typical mass-market dealer. Knowing the source can matter for how a build is documented and how originality is preserved.
"A bone stock. Highly original car. Bit of a daresay investment."
“Bone stock” means the car is basically unchanged from the factory. That usually makes it more “original” and can help with resale value. It also means you’re not buying someone else’s modifications.
“Bone stock” means the car is essentially as it left the factory, with no meaningful modifications. For Porsche buyers, this often matters for authenticity, resale value, and ensuring the car drives as intended by the engineers. It also makes it easier to verify parts and history.
"Try if you can to lean on a bit of a warranty or a bit of a reputation.
Yeah."
A warranty is like a repair guarantee. If something covered breaks soon after you buy the car, the warranty helps pay to fix it.
A warranty is a promise from the seller or manufacturer to cover certain repairs for a set time or mileage. In used-car shopping, leaning on warranty coverage can reduce the risk of expensive surprises after purchase.
"Then we had a bit of a dry patch where, as we said, DNHC stood for devoted, not helping
conundrum.
And then we've had a flurry of conundrums."
DNHC is a funny acronym the hosts use for a “not very helpful” conundrum period. They’re basically joking about when submissions weren’t coming in.
DNHC is an acronym the hosts define in the transcript as “devoted, not helping conundrum.” It’s a playful reference to a period where conundrum submissions were slower or less useful.
"With the touring, excuse my ignorance, is there an option for sunroof on the touring? No. There isn't always a hard top."
A sunroof is a glass/metal panel in the roof that can open to let in more light (and sometimes air). They’re asking whether the Touring version can be ordered with that feature.
A sunroof is a roof panel that can tilt/slide to let in light and air, distinct from a full convertible top. In this segment, it’s used to discuss whether the Touring variant can be specified with a “sunny” open-air feel for road trips.
"I think he's put the original exhaust and wheels back on and is now sort of flooded with inquiries. So yes, make it for yourself... but be prepared to turn the clock back when it comes to selling it."
“Back to stock” means putting the original parts back on the car. It often helps when you want to sell because more people prefer the factory setup.
“Back to stock” refers to reinstalling original factory parts after modifications. The discussion highlights how returning to stock can change buyer interest and make the car easier to transact.
"I now have a genuine daily whose 12 year mileage will have doubled in my first year of ownership. Now on to my conundrum."
A “daily driver” is the car you use most days for normal life. That matters because a track-focused car can be less convenient day-to-day.
A “daily driver” is the car you use regularly for everyday commuting and errands. The speaker’s point is that their new Porsche is being treated as a daily, which changes how they should think about comfort, maintenance, and practicality versus a more extreme track car.
"I have fallen in love with that mid-engine platform and the plan based on my current annual mileage was to run the car I currently have for two years..."
A mid-engine car puts the engine closer to the middle of the vehicle. That usually helps the car feel balanced and easier to steer when you’re driving enthusiastically.
A mid-engine platform means the engine sits near the center of the car, improving weight distribution and balance. That often translates to more predictable turn-in and rotation, which is why the speaker says they’ve “fallen in love” with the Cayman/718 layout.
"It's a manual late gen one in Orient red and it's in really good condition as well."
A manual transmission is the kind where you shift gears yourself using a clutch and a stick. Some people prefer it because it feels more connected and can be more desirable to other enthusiasts.
A manual transmission means the driver selects gears with a clutch pedal and gear lever rather than relying on an automatic gearbox. Enthusiasts often seek manuals because they can feel more engaging and can affect resale desirability.
"It really is built for the track and not a great deal else. So your use case on it will be far more limited. Knowing you and your lifestyle."
They’re talking about matching the car to how you’ll actually use it. If a car is built mainly for track days, it usually won’t be as good for everyday life.
The segment centers on the concept of choosing a car based on its intended use: track-focused cars are “built for the track,” so the day-to-day use case becomes more limited. This is essentially a decision framework between hardcore performance and broader usability.
"I think I've still got a little bit of an oil leak from the bloody oil cooler. But hey, if it's not got an oil leak, it's not got oil in it, isn't it?"
An oil leak is when oil is leaking out of the car instead of staying inside the engine. If it gets too low, the engine won’t be lubricated properly and can get damaged.
An oil leak means engine oil is escaping from somewhere in the lubrication system. Even small leaks can lead to low oil levels, which increases wear and can cause serious engine damage if ignored.
"It's quite an interesting experience watching your engine being rebuilt. Yeah. Not many people get that experience."
Rebuilding an engine means taking it apart and putting it back together with worn parts replaced. The goal is to make the engine run like it should again, not just “fix one small thing.”
An engine rebuild is a full teardown and reassembly of an engine, usually replacing worn internal parts and restoring clearances and compression. It’s more involved than routine maintenance because it can include machining, new bearings, seals, and sometimes cylinder work.
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"Okay. So I reckon I'm saving out across all six. Yeah."
“Across all six” implies the engine has six cylinders, and the builder is comparing weight savings per cylinder. Matching component weights across all cylinders is part of creating consistent balance and smooth running.
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Good day. Good day. Very English. Very English. That's on, is it?
So he's recording.
Amazing. What is your favourite Porsche colour, Ruxi?
It's the least simply. Surely you know this.
I'm not sure I do, but we're at Porsche Centre Bournemouth.
I'm just looking out from this config room at that Lugano.
Is it Lugano blue or Lugano blue?
What's that?
You can see this 992.2 ahead of us.
Yeah, it kind of looks like Nagari blue, but that's an Audi colour, isn't it?
I don't know what the Porsche name for it is.
Pretty sure it's Lugano blue, but the pronunciation I'm a little bit
awry on from time to time.
Funny enough, I for years thought that awry was pronounced how it was spelt,
which was awry, and I get a lot of stick at home for that.
I did also think the Salvation Army was a genuine military regiment until I was about 25.
It's probably too much of an overshave.
I think that probably is.
We were on colours a minute ago, weren't we?
Yes, Corporal. Got a favourite colour.
It's Marano green, isn't it?
Is it?
Of course.
Oh, because how many times do I...
Yes, because you had a lot of affection for a 964.
Was it a Targa a few years back in that colour?
You were like, wallet twitching for that.
Yeah, that could have got me into trouble, couldn't it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
I just love that colour.
But yeah, that's one of my favourites.
It's a good selection on the wall up there, isn't it?
What would you take out of that lot up there?
Oh, what a great shout.
It's interesting.
I've said previously on the podcast, this, you know, any car looks great, doesn't it?
Bumbling up Highway 1 in California,
but does it look good in Coventry in December on a rainy day?
There's a difference.
I think Python Green is pretty stunning, I have to say.
I'm a big fan of Guards Red.
I know that's like de facto ubiquitous, but I genuinely believe...
There's a couple in our hero boxes, isn't there?
Yeah, yeah, I think it looks good on any era of Porsche.
There's very few colours that carry that off.
Yeah.
Or India Red, as it's otherwise known, outside of the UK.
But, you know, exemplified by here at Porsche Bournemouth,
the GT4 RS in the corner for sale, Guards Red.
And the GT3 RS992 Visapack next to it.
Yeah, it does.
It goes well, doesn't it?
Looks great. Looks great.
Really good. Really good.
I really like Genshin Blue.
Hmm.
I really like Genshin Blue.
I think that's a really...
Works well in the UK.
It does. It's a really elegant colour, I find.
And again, I've seen it on all sorts of Porsche metal
and I've not found a shape that I've found displeasing.
Yeah.
The deck in that colour is yet.
Almost got a bit overused, didn't it?
Unfortunately, when it was really...
Was it the launch colour on a particular car?
It was around for the 992 Turbo Launch.
I think it was available prior.
Yeah.
There hasn't really been a colour to be fair
that I have found has been overused of late.
The big ones I remember was...
Adventure in green.
Yeah, I wouldn't say it's overused.
I'd say it's popular, but not overused.
They're chalk or crayon, as we call it in the UK.
Sort of 2017, 2018.
That was absolutely everywhere.
Miami Blue, previous to that, was fairly popular.
But crayon was a bit too popular.
Yeah.
In my humble opinion.
That's so nice.
Yeah, I forgot.
Sorry, Max.
Yeah, so that's it.
That's interesting.
Shall we get on with the show?
Let's do it.
Nice.
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Andy B, how are you, mate?
I'm very well. How are you?
Yeah, yeah, I am very well, thank you, very, very well.
I am turbocharged with a lovely coffee
here at Portrait Centre Bournemouth,
as we said at the top of the program for our soft launch.
We're in the config room,
which is a great place to have a natter,
where we can look through this lovely glass wall
at some pretty inspiring metal out there,
which is all available on the Marketplace, of course.
Yeah, look at that little crarity, just winking at me.
Yeah, with the aero kit.
It reminds me of the GTS I borrowed from the guys
a couple of weeks ago with the aero kit.
Yeah, it's a bit un... Yeah, probably not my spec choice, but...
It's not for me. It looks...
It's very, very similar in form to the rear wing,
bi-plane rear wing, on my GT3,
which was designed by Mr Tony Hatter.
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm not a fan of it being like a tequipment option now.
Yeah.
I feel like that waters down the supremacy of GT product.
But it is 20-odd years old, like, in terms of aerodynamics.
So, yeah, did you know?
Here's a quick fact for you.
The TACO wing, as we know, on the Gen 1,
did you know internally at Visak that wasn't called a TACO wing?
It was called the hole puncher.
Because, side on, it looks like a hole punch, yeah.
Like a swopey hole puncher.
Yeah, yeah, there you go.
Good fact. Where did you get that from?
I have insider knowledge on that.
That's from, yeah, a very, very good inside source
that was working in the place at the time.
Yeah.
So, yeah, the hole puncher, it should be called,
not the TACO wing.
Anyway, bit of news.
Shall we dive into deliveries?
Just very quickly.
Deliveries?
Yeah, Porsche has just announced deliveries down 15%
year on year for the first quarter of this year,
compared to last.
Blamed on 718 seating production.
I think that's fairly valid.
And removal of tax incentives for EV production in the States.
Probably not so valid, I would say.
Yes, it comes down to money, yeah, of course it does.
And we're going to have that in the UK next year, aren't we?
Where benefiting kinds tax goes from 2% to 9%.
But I just think there's a fall in the general demand
or want for EVs, personally.
But I think that is driven by that.
Do you reckon?
Yeah, the benefiting kinds stuff, the tax.
Yeah, they tend to be company cars, don't they, ultimately?
They do, yeah.
Particularly for Porsche.
OK, so yeah, interestingly, 911, according to Porsche,
continues to perform strongly year on year,
pretty light for like, and they're saying across the board,
it's like there's no one model.
They're all doing pretty well, which is interesting,
because we have a real mix now in terms of 911.
We've got naturally aspirated cars, i.e. GT product,
turbocharged cars, i.e. Carrera, Carrera 2, S and 4S,
and then the hybrid stuff, GTS and turbo.
So lots of offerings going on.
And the spread of demand is still pretty strong on that,
which is lovely.
Did you see this week?
It was last week, really.
Porsche talking top level, the new CEO.
Yes, it is.
The lighters about having to potentially put in a model
above the 911.
Oh, I didn't see that.
Yeah, so tell me more.
They basically need to look after their margins,
because in the last couple of years, they've been wiped out.
And obviously, the demand for Porsche vehicles in China
has fallen off a cliff.
So in order to return to some sort of decent profitability,
they're looking at more aspirational cars,
basically, like super, supercar, hypercar stuff,
where the margins on them.
So there will be fewer of them, but the margins are greater.
So we're thinking 718 GT, Carrera GT,
that sort of car for the future.
Yeah, that will sit above the 911.
Because there's been talk for quite a long time
that there's been something coming, isn't there?
I don't know how strong that something was,
or if the rumour was good.
Do you remember the car at Rensport reunion in 2023,
that prototype?
Was that called Mission X?
Yes, I think it was, yeah.
That was full electric, wasn't it?
But I'm guessing this is going to be not full electric.
I can't be, can it, really?
If you look at the U-turn Porsche
has done with it, sports cars, it can't be.
But that was a bit of a hint at the future,
while design-wise, there's a bit of like 904 in there,
to be honest with you.
Mixed with some LMP1-esque form going on.
But yeah, that was definitely,
as is often the way with the prototype,
just something, an exercise-engaging public opinion.
Obviously, we've had nothing of that since, really.
But yeah, that was certainly something being explored,
because why was it made otherwise?
So was this a hint or was this a real sort of,
this is what we're doing?
Yeah, Mr. Lighters saying that
that is something they're actively exploring.
And as we touched on in the podcast last week,
the impression, certainly the impression I get
looking from the outside in and in chat
into various people is it's all about just
Porsche and ESA work out which way it's going to turn next.
And that decision comes from the top and will filter down.
And I think that will have a big effect on all sorts.
I mean, again, we're still waiting on that
fourth Heritage Design Edition car.
And that should have all been wrapped up by now.
Yeah, absolutely no question.
So yeah, interesting times, but I thought that,
the idea of putting a car in above a 911,
I thought that was quite interesting.
That is quite war.
It's a brave decision.
Brave decision.
Does that water down that car?
I think it does a little bit personally.
I think it's fine to have like a car
that surmises each decade, like 959, CGT, 918.
We are missing one for the 20s.
But as a kind of continuous production offering,
I worry there, if I'm honest.
What do you worry for the 911?
Is that your thought?
Yeah, I think it takes a bit of shine off that car.
I don't know.
I think that's been missing for a while to have that,
that Carrera GT or the 918,
it's been missing for a while, isn't it?
Why not?
Yeah, I guess, but they were limited production cars,
not just continuous.
If you want one, you can have one.
Yeah, I guess they'll probably be limited cars anyway,
at the top level, like that.
Surely there'll be a run of so many
and maybe a new one or coming out in the next.
Yeah.
It won't be so long in between.
A bit like a Valkyrie.
Yeah.
Oh, there's a...
Yeah, it's interesting, isn't it?
Yeah.
Do you know I saw one of those parked curbside?
Have I told you about this?
No.
Going for a run around Sandbanks.
It was parked curbside just next to the salty water.
I kid you not.
Thought, oh, my life.
I know exactly what that is.
There was a lad getting,
he had his daughter standing in front of the car
and was getting a picture.
And I was kind of running around the peninsula.
So I thought, it's fine.
I'll get a shot of that on the way back.
I definitely want to get a shot of that.
I could not believe it.
And I got back, gone, gutted.
Did it really happen?
That's what I thought.
Did it really happen?
But yeah, parked curbside, I mean...
What did you think to it?
There's not much to it, is there?
So low, like so low.
It's literally a Le Mans car, isn't it?
And so much air you can see through it.
Oh, yeah, yeah.
I'd have loved to have seen the driver
get in and out of that car.
I'd genuinely be super intrigued.
But yeah, parked curbside, could not believe it.
What a thing, but beautiful.
But so low, so, so low.
You know, wouldn't come up to your hips.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I said hips, Andy.
Amazing, amazing.
So yeah, unless there's any other news
that you want to go over today.
No, I haven't got any other news.
Amazing.
Well, we're doing a bit of a mixed episode.
We've got a couple of car nundrums.
We want to turn that into a bit special
to wrap up this series,
which is exactly what this episode will do.
Then we've got a couple of market-placed conversations
that we'd like to have,
because as always,
we've had a keen eye on the marketplace.
Yeah.
Over on the Nine Wites website.
We should start with a doff of the cat
for some buying boots, if you're OK with that.
Absolutely.
As usual, the collective have been busy.
Very, very busy.
So we'd like to say in no particular order here,
a big congratulations.
First of all, to Alex, the doc.
Yes.
On his Voodoo 718 Boxster S.
That was a previous car nundrum, if you remember.
I thought you thought we'd shut up
and start with, didn't we?
That was amazing,
and I have to say, Alex, I loved it.
I think he even had a sharp blue Boxster
as his new Instagram name,
and then quickly had to change it to Voodoo.
I saw an Instagram, the picture of a shark,
saying, like, car collection tomorrow.
Yeah.
And I didn't know what was going on.
I actually messaged Alex and said,
I've not been keeping abreast,
but I hope everything's OK.
Yeah.
Not knowing what it was.
He said, like, it's car collection date,
and I was like, brilliant.
And then I saw the Instagram name
changed to Voodoo blue 718.
Fantastic.
What a lovely surprise, then, to turn up and see that.
So there's a bit of a Voodoo gang
going on in the DNHC.
Alex and Gaius beerheading that.
So congratulations.
I have to say, Alex, and again,
going off your previous car nundrum
earlier this series,
that car really suits you, mate.
Yeah, it does.
Really suits you.
Yeah, and yeah, good result
from the car nundrum as well, isn't it?
Think so.
I think so.
So, yeah, actually, that'd be quite nice
to hear maybe if we can kick off the next series, Alex.
If you wouldn't mind dropping us a voice note,
just letting us know how you're getting on.
Yeah.
It's the grass greener on the other side.
It's obviously early miles.
So take us on that journey, please, mate, if that's OK.
Hopefully now you've bought the car,
you don't have to hide under your bedsheets either
to communicate with us,
although it was incredibly entertaining when you did so.
So congrats to the doc.
We'd also like to say a big congratulations for John,
who's laced up the buying boots
and purchased a new to him,
rhodium silver, none and one dot one C4S.
That is John's first 911 after 50 years of wanting one.
What a day.
What a day.
That's a good choice as well.
Half a century of dreams coming true.
Yeah, great stuff.
Beautiful.
James, purchase of guards, reds,
981 GT4, that was via RPM Technic.
That car really was nice and kept in the family really,
previously owned by Ian in the DNHC.
Ian looked after that car splendidly.
So I know that is a good, good car.
Yeah, I wonder if he's going to bring that to Ireland.
They booked on the island trip.
Yeah, yeah, could well do.
He's got the Boxster as well, 986.
I personally would take the Boxster for those roads
yet in Ireland, 100 percent.
And obviously, yeah, pray for good weather.
So congrats, James, on that, obviously backed by a splendid
RPM Technic warranty, such as the way with the cars
on the Nine Watch Marketplace.
Maz.
Yeah.
It's continuing the Guards Red theme from James to Maz.
A conundrum theme.
Yes.
Yeah, Maz spoke at length about his dalliance
with the idea of ditching his Python 992 GT3.
And he did so.
Got a Guards Red 992.1 Turbo S.
As I said, Guards Red, lovely spec interior.
You see that with the Halstead seat sensors.
Looks so smart, so, so smart.
And I think three days into ownership,
he took it round the GP circuit at the Nürburgring.
So really good.
From conversations I've seen on the DNHC WhatsApp group.
Seems happy.
Yeah, zero regret there, zero regret.
So congrats, Maz.
And that follows on nicely again from the pod.
We had a few weeks back where GT cars are amazing things
for certain things.
So congrats, Maz.
For certain people.
Yeah, yeah.
It depends on the use case, isn't it?
Definitely. Always use case, use case.
And then lastly, Adrian picked up a lovely Speed Yellow Boxster S 986.
Yeah, cool machine.
Really cool, specifically for touring with Adrian's misses.
So lovely.
What a lovely, lovely car that.
Just, yeah, need the weather and you're away there,
the pair of you.
So big congratulations.
Lots of bind boots going on.
Have we missed any?
Shout out if you've missed any.
Yeah, yeah, I don't think so.
But yeah, could could could well be.
Who knows? Who knows?
OK, so shall we?
Let's I mean, the we're both excited for the conundrums.
Yeah, got some goodies.
Yeah, let's save them.
Let's let's say let's save them.
So we'll just dive into the marketplace.
We usually like to play a marketplace game each series
to highlight fantastic cars that we have on the numbers marketplace.
We're not actually going to do that today.
There are just a couple of themes
that we'd like to bring up having kept our eye
on the marketplace there.
And I want to ask you as a former 993 owner,
what you make of the values seemingly increasing
or wide body 993s?
Yeah, there's some big numbers flying around, isn't there?
I mean, they've been particularly good cars.
Yeah, they are really nice cars and going through good dealers.
There are some big numbers come from these cars.
I'm sure, you know, others are going to
are going to get get some uplift from that.
Strong numbers.
RPM Technic had a silver car formerly owned by Matt within the collective.
Yeah, beautiful thing on a beautiful thing.
What was really nice is when it was in the showroom RPM Technic.
And we saw this when we had our DNHC cars and coffee RPM.
Matt previously purchased the Nineworks grill batch from you.
Yeah. And still on there.
Yeah. Representing looking good.
It did. It suited the car handsomely.
Suited the car handsomely.
But yeah, that sold.
And it was, you know, decent of punchy numbers.
I think it was one six something. Yeah.
Not long ago, that was 93 turbo money. Yes.
But that went to the C4S.
C. It was a four S. Yeah, it was.
Yeah. Yeah.
And yeah, that has been followed.
We've got one from Paragon, currently on the marketplace, Polar Silver.
We've a dark blue leather interior, 90,000 miles on the clock.
That's up at one four five.
So definite uplift.
I'm just looking through the pictures here.
It's quite interesting.
It's got yellow seat belts inside in the yellow dials as well.
Sports seats.
Polar Silver is definitely my preferred silver color.
Really, really enjoy that.
Good looking thing, really good looking thing.
And yeah, one four five.
So there's definitely been an uplift in those in those cars.
Yeah, I was just wondering what your thoughts are, really,
as a former narrow body owner.
It feels pretty punchy, doesn't it?
But there's only so many out there and they.
They're getting less and less of them.
So I guess it's predictable, isn't it?
But yeah, it does feel punchy compared to a narrow body car.
Even though but their narrow body car seem to have gone up.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I really do.
I mean, you used to be able to pick up a 993, two wheel drive manual.
You could scrape by in the 30s, early 40s.
Now that doesn't exist.
You're more for that car, you know, that needs a good amount of work on it.
And it's had a good life.
Sort of minimums seems to be high fifties, early sixties for that now.
So they they've jumped up.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah, that'd be for like an average car.
Average car. Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, you're you're sort of.
Yeah, you're you're you're basic and spec and 24.
Yeah, yeah, you've got it.
Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah, for a for a for a perfect car, then you'd be looking more.
Would you argue, therefore, that 993s have actually been undervalued for years
because they have lived in this shadow, as we well know,
of nine six fours for such a long time.
And as we all know, that is largely driven on numbers.
And the fact that there's fewer nine six fours and many of them have been turned
into resto mods and whatnot.
Nine threes haven't.
Objectively, it's a better car if you look at the performance stats.
So is the nine on three finally being realised as the halo
last of the line last luft nine eleven that it always should have been.
I think it was looked at that for a long time, wasn't it?
And then kind of the nine six four accelerated past.
Kiboshed it. Yeah.
I don't think it's.
And then that that that due to the lack of being able to get a nine six four,
people were looking at nine nine threes and those are tipping up.
I think the nine nine three has always been high, the high level.
But the nine six four is, you know, if you look at a graph, the nine six four just went stupid.
Yeah.
And the nine nine threes kind of kept level.
And now it's starting to tip up.
Yeah.
To keep up with the nine six four.
Yeah.
It is for years.
I felt that the nine six four, where it had peaked over nine nine three values,
crested it, I always felt that was an anomaly.
Yeah, it's quite difficult to say, isn't it?
But I wasn't ever sure it'd be corrected if I'm honest.
Again, just down to that like pure numbers game and scarcity of them ever increasing.
I just felt that would always be a kind of a quirk of the marketplace.
So it's actually quite nice that the nine nine three,
which again, the last day called nine 11, that is, it's a halo moment for an iconic car.
It should be the revered and sought after air called car really, I think.
Yeah, I think so.
Yeah, I think Matt's car was twenty eight thousand miles.
It's a bit of a unicorn, isn't it?
But that will will drag up prices of others.
I'm sure.
Yeah, and I actually think that has been caused by nine and three turbo prices,
which have obviously accelerated, which itself has been dragged up by nine nine
three turbo S prices, which have gone absolutely berserk in the last sort of
twelve to eighteen months, particularly the last year.
So that that has had an effect, you know, that's that's reached right the way down
to the bottom of nine and three values and pulled everything up accordingly.
And I can't see it being reversed, if I'm honest.
So I'm, you know, I'm looking at that Paragon car at one four five again,
with twelve months warranty.
That is honestly a year's free motoring from that company.
It's yeah, I think it's great.
I remember driving a nine and three C four S years ago,
and it was one of my most disappointing nine eleven drives.
And I have since realized that that was just a very bad example.
It wasn't from anybody on the marketplace from my total nine eleven days.
And what really changed my opinion on those cars is I thought heavy understeery.
But I drove one that guards red example actually at Lakeside Classics about a year ago.
That car was just so tight and the geo on it.
And again, it just makes all the difference.
It had a really good bass row geo on it.
And, you know, yeah, there was obviously a bit more,
a bit more heft to the car over a narrow body, but it was still mighty sharp,
mighty sharp.
And the wide bodies are such good looking things anyway.
Yeah, different bumper over the narrow. Yeah.
But then I also look, you know, you go from that to a nine nine six C four S.
So this car's predecessor that we're talking about.
And there's one on the marketplace at Harbour Cars.
I think it's absolutely beautiful.
It is also in silver.
It is manual.
So 2004 car.
So it's a late nine and six C four S.
Fifty eight thousand miles on the clock.
And it is up for with a twelve month warranty.
Thirty two K.
That's twenty five percent of the price of the nine nine three C four S.
And I would argue you could probably drive it four times as much.
Yeah.
But but isn't it as the big but.
Yeah, yeah.
Which is the but that lots of people including yourself love.
Is that I think you know my my view on it.
Is it three denominations M nine and six?
No, no, no, no, no, it's the ugly but no, it's the beautiful rear of any nine 11 ever.
And I'll stop bleeding on about that.
Sorry, mate.
You're going to take that out on it blows my mind that you don't think that genuinely.
Yeah, don't get it.
There we go.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
But from a family proposition, it's it's great, isn't it?
Compared to that nine nine three.
Yeah.
Is a different proposition.
It is.
It is.
Is it comparable?
There is nothing.
There isn't really is there.
It's totally.
It's the.
Your use case of those cars going to be completely, completely different, I would say.
But and this is this is where the first generation water called nine 11 has always.
Found favor is you can have a similar Porsche experience to somebody in that nine and three C four S, you know, the keys to that iconic car, wide body, all wheel drive S model nine 11 for 25% of the price, more accessible.
Yeah.
And I have to say, looking at this car at Harbor, black interior, got bows to it as well.
That is a sharp car like it is in very good condition.
Arctic Silver slightly different to Polar.
Yeah.
It is in very, very good condition.
So beautiful thing.
So yeah, highlights highlights the great variety, but I know, I know we have steered slightly away from none of three values there.
Yeah.
So yeah, anything you've noticed on the marketplace that you want to chat about?
I keep coming back to that red SC that's down at Williams Crawford.
I think somebody might be looking at that.
We know.
Yeah.
What a car that is really like the look of that.
It highlights a wider story on hot rods.
Yeah.
Because there has been a bit of chat in the DNHC on air called hot rods.
Where do you where do you stand on like that conceptually?
I just think it makes allows you to use it.
Yeah.
That you're not feeling precious about it.
I think Steve Kav bought up a great point that he had that black SC that had had a full Porsche restoration.
And he was almost, it was too precious to use.
So something that's been through the middle bit, you know, had a life has been refreshed.
That's not showroom perfect.
You know, it's got modifications on it.
I think it makes it kind of freeze the use case up.
Because if you use it, abuse it and it needs a bit of paint, it doesn't matter.
Yeah.
That's my feeling on the hot rods type of thing.
Just freeze you up to actually use it and not be so precious about it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
My sentiment, because I agree with that.
There's kind of a caveat I'd quite like to throw in.
And that's like with a with a hot rod, their use case is more limited.
They are, they are peppy things, aren't they?
So that it's therefore not the car to drive to the shops in.
It's very much a right.
This is my, this is my toy.
So you can't can't use it.
Depends on how it's been hot rodded, isn't it?
Yeah, to what extent?
Yeah.
I mean that SC I feel that actually makes that brings that.
That red SC at Williams Crawford brings it more into the modern age.
Yeah.
And it actually makes it more usable.
Yes.
For going down the shops.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I agree with that.
Yeah.
And that particular car.
There are some other hot rods about that are a bit more.
Yeah.
Caged and.
Yes.
No carpets.
Yeah.
And I agree with that.
Yeah.
You know, and slightly more compromised as a result.
So again, it will come down to your, your use case.
Yeah.
Entirely as an interest in proposition because Williams Crawford have got a few air-cooled
hot rods currently.
Have you seen the speed yellow NANA 3RS?
Yes.
Club sport inspired left hand drive coupé.
So a NANA 3RS replica at all intents and purposes.
Japanese delivered car being over here for a few years.
It's got the, yeah.
Club sport like big biplane wing on the back, for example.
Shouty, isn't it?
It is.
The interior has all been re-trimmed like really nice black detail stitching to go with.
What's that shifter that's in the middle?
That's the CAE.
That's it.
Yeah.
CAE shifter.
Yeah.
I'd love to have a go at that.
Love to have a go at that.
Very mechanical devices.
Yeah.
It looks like really good fun.
It's up at 125.
I think Williams Crawford have sold the car previously actually.
So they know the car which helps.
Engine's completely stock.
So it's a Carrera 2.
Yeah.
In being a 1994 car.
It's Pre-Vario RAM.
So 272 horsepower.
The one to have in my humble opinion.
Really?
Yeah.
Engines are a bit more peaky, aren't they?
They need to be revved a bit more.
And you've got that term, the lower ratio gearbox as well.
Rather than the very cam has got a longer gearbox.
That makes a big difference in my eyes.
Okay.
In my experience, shall I say.
Yeah.
Great insider shout.
So yeah, take a look if you're listening at home.
Take a look at that speed yellow Carrera RS inspired build at Williams Crawford.
Here's an interesting one for you.
That's up at 125.
Yeah.
Which would you rather have?
903.
The Polar Silver C4S at Paragon.
A bone stock.
Highly original car.
Bit of a daresay investment.
Or would you rather have the club sport, like an RS rep.
You get 20K in your pocket as well.
That's a difficult decision.
I'll be sticking with the flat back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But see what I mean?
They're different cars requiring different use cases completely, isn't it?
Completely.
Yeah.
Yeah.
How about you?
Which one would you go for?
Oh, that is difficult.
That is difficult.
I think for me, I just suit cars that I am not precious about.
So obviously I had that with my anniversary.
It was too nice for me.
And I would be in the same scenario with a C4S.
That would go to someone that's perhaps got a couple of cars,
a couple of toys, or if not, that is a high days and holidays thing.
For me, I'd want to use the car as often as I can
and be as carefree in my driving as humanly possible.
So therefore I would steer towards the RS
because I probably wouldn't be as precious about it.
Cool.
I think.
But yeah, the guys at Williams Crawford have got a couple of those hot rod examples.
Is that IROC inspired car as well based on a 2.7 Carrera, no less,
although it's not a matching numbers car.
So that because the 2.7 Carrera of 1974 had an RS engine for cars, European cars.
Is that the orange one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Huge history to it.
It's got an Andy Prill sticker on the rear screen,
which fills me with a lot of confidence as well when it comes to these engines.
I think that thing looks incredible.
And similar to that three litre SC hot rod that you've highlighted,
I feel like the parts alone make that car good value.
Because that's up for 95.
The SC, meanwhile, is 98.
Very special thing.
Very special thing.
Interesting cars they've got down there.
Yeah.
I would always say with hot rods, again, just my opinion,
based on a bit of experience from what I've seen is,
if you're buying privately, obviously there's such a big variance.
There's a lot of have a go heroes out there.
And with a car like that, 30, 40, 50 years old at times,
I would just be, I'd approach with so much caution and really get that checked and inspected,
because you could be buying a walking nightmare, to be honest with you.
There's a lot of cars out there that look all lovely on the outside,
but once you delve in a bit deeper,
there can be some scary, scary bits that are going to come bite you in the ass.
Yes.
So you need to go in full eyes wide open.
Definitely.
Don't get seduced by the glitz on the top.
100%.
100%.
Yeah, this could be lots of corrosion hidden away.
Yeah.
And one of those that the more that you look, the more you find.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Try if you can to lean on a bit of a warranty or a bit of a reputation.
Yeah.
Really.
Great.
In those.
But yeah, really cool.
Lots of variety out there with cars with their heart on their sleeve.
Yeah.
For sure.
Shall we do some conundrum?
Yes.
We've got some goodies.
We have.
We really have.
So we love these conundrums.
Thank you to everybody that submitted their conundrums to us here on our Mix Radio, this
series.
We've tried to do one a week.
Then we had a bit of a dry patch where, as we said, DNHC stood for devoted, not helping
conundrum.
And then we've had a flurry of conundrums.
So thank you to everybody that's had an input on this.
We really do enjoy them.
Please keep sending them to us for next series.
We'd really, really love to mull over these.
They're really good fun.
Who do you want to start with, Andy B?
Oh, should we hit Brian?
Yes.
I believe my leader, my fellow DNHC, is Brian Wright here and this is my conundrum.
So currently I have a Boxster 25th anniversary and a 992.1 Tiger 4S, which I was very happy
with.
As Lee said recently, DNHC now stands for devoted, not helping conundrum, also I thought.
My conundrum first appeared on the Northumberland Road trip 12 months ago when I got to see
and hear Mark Anderson's 992.1 GT3 Touring.
And then my condition only got worse when I saw both Andy Bowers and Surges 992.1 GT3
Tourings on the Sicily and Stuttgart Road trips.
So I'm considering selling the Tiger and buying the 992.1 GT3 Touring.
And to use one of your lines from a recent episode Lee, I'm considering my Porsche lifestyle
choices.
I've chatted about this to a couple of the DNHC's that I've met, but for everyone else
in the collective, this is my conundrum.
So reasons to buy a GT3 Touring.
I feel like I have an extra scratch with the GT3 Touring.
I think it looks incredible and that sound wow.
Regarding my use case, as we've recently retired it will be used for lots of road trips in
the UK and abroad.
For me, I feel the GT3 will be the pinnacle of my post journey as I'm not interested
in going beyond this into an RS as I don't do any track work.
When I drive the Tiger, chasing yourself Lee, Andy Bowers in his 992 Touring and Stephen
his 991 Touring down through the Black Forest on our way to Genoa to pick up the Ferris
Sicily.
Ethan recorded a great video of this journey and you can see how lucky on the streets
but through the corners I was still in the key pairs with you guys.
Fortunately, you entered various German villages and you slowed down to 30 which allowed me
to catch up.
This made me realise I really want a GT3 Touring and life is too short.
Reasons against the GT3 Touring, when I'm concerned, it might be too much, too hard for my use
case.
I do some road trips with my son Ethan as a passenger or sometimes I'm part of a group
but driving alone.
But actually most of the time I'm in the car with my wife and the GT3 might be too much
for what we want.
Last year I did just shy of 10,000 road trip miles.
My dilemma is when I was driving with my wife through the Italian lakes, the Dolomites
and the Alps last summer and I was wafting along in the Tiger with the roof down with
Matt Monroe blasting out.
I didn't think to myself I wish I would get a GT3.
That would have been the wrong car for that journey, the wrong use case if you like.
My wife loves to drive the Tiger which comes in handy so you need to have comfort seats
and PDK and she says never sell it and she wants to keep it and you know the saying happy
wife, happy life.
I've sold some lovely cars in the past such as my 997.2 GTS Cooper with only 8,000 miles
on the clock and my 991 Tiger GTS and then later regretted it, regretted it, sorry.
So I want to make sure I make the correct decision.
Also I'd like to have the roof down which means my wife would want to take the Boxster
on the road trips and the GT3 could be sat in the garage which seems to defeat the object.
So basically the GT3 Touring could end up being used just for a couple of weeks per
year for road trips with the boys.
So then I think should I sell the Boxster 25th, keep the Tiger and get a GT3 Touring but I
love the mid-engine Boxster especially the 4.0L in the 25th anniversary and again my
wife loves to drive the Boxster with the roof down.
I've seen lots of the collectives buying GT3s at the moment but actually lately I
seem to be seeing members coming out of GT3s and going into more all-rounders like GTSs.
The recent episode with his geysership explained this perfectly although I appreciate this
was an RS.
I wanted to go up a Porsche ladder but guys were at the top of the ladder and it didn't
suit his current use case so he'd come down a couple of runs of the ladder to a beautiful
GTS and seems to have made the right decision and I won't give any spoilers but as I record
this it seems that another member has came out of a GT3 into a Turbo S today.
Some days I think bollocks just do it, if I don't enjoy the GT3 I could always sell
it and buy something else and then other days I think I could follow it to Boxster and my
perfect spec Tiger and I should be happy with my lot.
So guys do I stick or twist, this is my car Nundrum and I'll be interested to hear your
views.
Thank you.
Firstly, is Brian right on some sort of drugs or have you sped him up?
Yeah that's one and a half.
OK good.
Turbo charge.
Turbo charge.
Oh god what a difficult decision that is Brian.
What a great place to be first of all.
Yeah yeah absolutely.
That's a really really good place to be.
Brian thank you for your car Nundrum and also thank you for such polished deliverance.
Yes even at one and a half speed.
Even at one and a half clicks, yeah very very good.
Brian's target that's an anniversary one isn't it?
No so it's an adventuring green target and which to clarify at the start we said is not
too popular.
Yeah OK.
Yeah it's an adventuring green, it's got the exclusive heritage pack inside, it's really
beautiful, like really beautiful.
So it's not the, what was that called there?
Heritage design edition.
Yeah it's not one of those.
No it's not.
Which is the, did it only come in there?
Yeah that.
That maroon colour wasn't it?
It's like a cherry red, you see that one up on that wall.
Yeah so it's just a not just a, it's a target that he loves in a particular colour but it's
not a particular model or anything like that.
Yeah Nundrum 2.1 4S target, you know not common set up at all, like I said with the green
and that heritage interior, it's quite sought after.
Yeah.
Yeah.
OK.
What's your, you got any thoughts?
Well I think this is quite a straightforward answer actually and hopefully this is where
Conundrum works when you're asking the opinion of someone who's not in the Maya so to speak.
So yeah it's a great place to be Brian, it really is.
My overall synopsis very quick is to definitely get the touring because I know Brian has been
umming and aring about this for a while and I think if that has kind of stayed in your
head for that amount of time it's an itch that you do need to scratch.
Yeah.
Definitely.
I was of the same opinion.
Yeah.
Using his term bollocks to it.
Yeah.
Get on and do it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And I really understand he's rightly given this good thought and what's the use case of
my cars and would the touring become a car that would only have limited use because of
everything he likes to do?
Well Brian you've seen on the road trips and stuff that for anything travelling through
Europe that car, a touring is just perfection for it and you can do that with your good
lady or when you're out with the Nine Works crew in either scenario that works really
nice.
I would also say to kind of flip what Brian said where it's like would I have a car that
I'm not getting the full use case out of?
I would say there's an argument that you could be having that currently because you've got
two soft top cars in that beautiful Boxster 25 and the Targa.
Sunny day, you're only taking one soft top out so you've got a soft top sitting in the
garage on a sunny day so I would say that currently you're not maximising that scenario.
I think to err on the side of caution and you've rightly pointed out Mrs Wright as part
of the decision.
I think that's the biggest thing on finding the right car.
Yes.
So it can be a touring but it's got to have the right options.
Well yeah but I would say just to peddle back from that slightly, my solution would be
is to ask Mrs Wright and Mrs Wright is always right.
Which car do you prefer?
Because she likes driving both so one of these is going to go, which one would you be most
sad to see go if you never drove it again?
And if she says, I personally would get rid of the Targa because I think the Boxster 25
gives you your open top motoring experience, that is a really special car and it's a beautiful
car.
A nice car to do a touring with your wife isn't it?
Definitely.
Definitely.
So the Targa I think that can, you can biff that off and I'm going to say that again.
You can move that car on respectfully and bring in a touring so you've still got that
911 scratch, it will do all your touring hence the name, particularly if you go for a later
car where the suspension was tweaked or you can get an aftermite like Litchfield can sort
that out.
Yeah and you've still got all bases covered there.
My feeling would be if you got rid of the Boxster and you had the Targa and the touring
too much overlap but ultimately I think and again Brian to quote your term, happy wife,
happy life, I would let Mrs Wright decide and then act accordingly.
Good call.
Very good call.
So the touring is coming in, it's a case of for you, which car goes?
With the touring, excuse my ignorance, is there an option for sunroof on the touring?
No.
There isn't always a hard top.
Okay.
Yeah, I believe so.
Yeah, I was just wondering if there was then that might be worth sourcing to sort of give
you that sunny aspect that you might want if you're on a European road trip.
Yeah.
I think yeah, that's like 997 Gen 1s, there was a lot of GT3s with sunroofs, 992s, that's
not a thing.
Do you want a carbon roof or not?
Yes.
That's your option.
So yeah Brian, I hope that helps.
That's very much a joint decision with Mrs Wright's there.
Please let us know how you get on, both of you, and let us know what colour your touring
is going to be as well.
And whether you're still married.
Classic.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Okay then.
Fantastic.
We'd love to hear what everybody else thinks.
So yeah, do let us know.
Very well played, mate.
We've got another Carnundrum.
This one's from Jay.
I'm just going to read it out as a top level.
It's not a buying or selling scenario, well it's not a buying scenario, it's a potential
selling to do a modification.
So he's got a lovely 992.1 turbo s, sapphire blue.
Sapphire blue.
Oh yes, of course, yeah.
He's got some really cool black accents on that car.
You may remember he's recently put some RS side skirts on it as well, and I think it's
just given rise to the question, should you modify how far is too far?
The reason it's a Carnundrum, because obviously you've got an eye on the ceasing ownership
of a vehicle at one stage.
So where do you sit with that?
I think, yes, modify it, but make it so that you can turn it back if you need to.
There was somebody else with a turbo, and he's been trying to sell it with, I think
it had a different set of wheels on it.
And an exhaust.
An exhaust, yeah.
And he was finding it difficult to shift that because everybody wanted standard.
I think he's put the original exhaust and wheels back on and is now sort of flooded
with inquiries.
So yes, make it for yourself, do it for yourself, but be prepared to turn the clock back when
it comes to selling it.
Yeah, yeah.
That's quite an interesting bit of insider information really that Jay shared with us
and how just kind of putting everything back to stock immediately is flip the switch with
his car, which is a beautiful car by the way.
Really, really lovely thing.
I think that's an ex-harper car from memory.
I wonder if it's said in the advert, you know, can have stock wheels and stock exhaust if
you so with.
It's quite interesting, but yeah, I completely agree with your sentiment.
Definitely mod away if it brings you more joy in the day to day.
Just be prepared to either revert to stock if you want the easiest sale possible, or
when it comes to sale, just bear in mind that you might be sitting with the car slightly
longer because the pool of people that it'll appeal to will be slightly less.
Yeah.
I mean, there's many people out there that will love the modifications you've done,
but are they in the market to buy at that time?
It just reduces that possibility, doesn't it?
Yeah.
And you can always, you know, if you put the car back to stock and then flog the parts
separately, I know it's a bit of a, you know, it's a bit finicky, a bit of a pain in the
bum to do, but it certainly shouldn't be enough to get in the way of enjoying your own ownership
experience in the here and now.
Yeah.
And doing what you want to do.
Yeah.
Nice.
Nice quick one there.
So thank you to Jay for that.
Amazing.
We've got another audio note to finish this episode and indeed the series.
Mark Willis.
This is another expert deliverance.
Hard days are numbered on this podcast, mate.
There's so many people are amazing at this.
Here's what Mark has to say.
Mark Willis.
I can't under Mark Willis.
Dear reference, Sibley Brooks and fellow collective parishioners, I've finally plucked up the courage
to seek guidance at the Carnundrum Collective Temple of Worship, the Nine Works pod.
Please settle in as I feel I have a lot of trouble to get off my shoulders and some subcontext
will be important to gain your bed judgments.
For my entire adolescence and adult life, I dreamed of owning a Porsche 911.
The early mid 80s, 930 turbo was my poster car.
It probably started around the age of 14 or 15.
I was reading entrepreneurial books and one in particular encouraged me to chant out loud
my future ambitions.
There I was moping around the family home, chanting, one day I will own a Porsche to historical
amusement of my parents and brother.
Fast forward to 2018 and on a whim, which is a story from another time, I found myself
on the driveway of an elderly gentleman's home in Rugby on a glorious morning
in May, staring at the most beautiful looking Orient red 996.1 Carrera 4.
It was like a ruby dazzling me in the sunlight and I think I'd said yes, I would buy it
before we'd even introduced ourselves.
The first short journey I made was to my parents, unannounced in my new to me 911, as I told
you moment.
My mom's face and giggling laugh as I took her for her maiden trip was magical and a
memory that will stable me forever and even more poignant as she has since passed.
Anyway, we got back from that short journey and my mom immediately said to me that she
was so proud of me for ticking off one of my boyhood dreams that she wanted to effectively
buy the car for me and despite my best protest it was her wish and so came to be.
I apologise for the waffling context but felt it right that I should be transparent before
seeking your advice.
Fast forward to the summer of 25 and I found myself being talked into buying another Porsche,
this time via the very persuasive Sam at Harbour Cars.
A lovely 981 Cayman 2.7 manual which had won for Stidious owner and just 14,000 miles
on the clock.
I now have a genuine daily whose 12 year mileage will have doubled in my first year of ownership.
Now on to my conundrum.
I seek forgiveness and guidance as I appear to have fallen in with the wrong crowds.
I am being influenced locally on a weekly basis by the likes of Steve Kavanaugh, John Murray
and the other 9 to 11 at Jilx's Cafe crew, all serial Porsche owners, movers, shakers
and changers.
Then there is North East Bend, Paul Presland down south and Carl Fife in a foreign land,
all of whom I worship from afar as the bad boy gods of Porsche buying and selling.
To compound matters, I fire up the MacBook only to be confronted by yourself, Mr Sibley
and your YouTube content or the NineWorks marketplace scrambling my brain with all manner
of Porsche beauties to buy next.
Help!
I am in turmoil and my anxiety is through the roof.
I have owned my 996 for 8 wonderful years but life is short, do I change it to scratch
the GT3 itch?
I am another 996 evangelist so it would be the Dot 1 car, I love for what it stands
for historically in the GT lineage, all the Dot 2 as an all round slightly more focused
car.
I would love the opportunity to do some track time in one of these cars but that is not
my primary focus.
So is the GT3 a car that is not necessarily required?
Guy's recent conundrum struck some chords here obviously.
In which case another Metzger engine car in the 996 Turbo S also sparks my attention.
Obviously the emotional tie of my 996 to my mum is super huge, although I know my mum
would say go and follow your dream son.
Scenario 2 is I keep the 996 as the keeper for now and change my daily for another Cayman,
a 981 or a 718, in either the GTS or potentially GT4 guys.
I have fallen in love with that mid-engine platform and the plan based on my current
annual mileage was to run the car I currently have for two years and then trade on it as
it will still be a fairly low mileage car for the age and then find another low mileage
car and repeat the process.
Do I get twice the car stroke experience for my money with the GTS GT4 or am I better just
staying with the 2.7 base Cayman?
I cannot at this point do both scenarios so in either scenario one of the cars would
go or possibly the case of the GT4 coming in both could go and could it be replaced with
just the one car which does all.
Your help, comments and abuse are sincerely welcome.
Guys I love this new group of friends that have entered my life despite all the anxiety
and I thank you for all the content that you give me on a weekly basis and all the laughs
and the humor I have for my new Porsche friends.
I'm looking forward to your answers on this one.
Thank you Mark.
Crafted.
Crafted.
I don't know about you.
Did you write a script for that do you think?
That was amazing.
This is exactly why I personally do this podcast is to hear that sort of insight from such wonderful
people and Brian's input as well.
Yeah.
So wonderful.
Mark thank you for taking the time to put across what really is a conundrum.
There are lots of ways to twist here.
I think the biggest tie is the mum aspect for me.
Recently my father passed so yeah that really sort of rings a bell but I feel that you've
enjoyed that 996.
Do you need to keep it?
I don't feel you do for that point.
I think it was great that your mum did what she did and that enables your journey through
Porsche ownership and she'd be pleased to see you go on to the next chapter.
So yeah I don't think you need to keep that car because I think that enables you to move
on to the next for me.
What's your thought on that?
Next step.
On that 996.
I like it and I agree you know everything is off a time.
Eight years is a real decent stretch with that car and knowing 996 ownership as I do
the cars will always and that is a lovely car by the way for those that are unaware.
It's a manual late gen one in Orient red and it's in really good condition as well.
It's better than most condition wise I would say.
It's always going to be worth a certain amount.
Ultimately you are as a 996 owner always going to have to keep putting money into it to keep
it running ultimately.
So I agree with your sentiment Andy it's as good a time as any to consider moving.
This is a bit of a you know do you sell the 996 and get a GT3 because I think what Mark
is ultimately looking for is a bit more pep a bit more theatre from his Porsche driving
experience with a base Cayman 981 and a 996 Carrera so he wants a bit more to elevate that.
So the question is do you sell the 996 and get a GT3 or do you sell the base Cayman and
get a GTS or GT4.
That's kind of where it's at personally because Mark uses that base Cayman as a daily.
I know he said at the end do I just get rid of both and have a one car solution.
I don't think that's the way to go personally.
I don't.
What I would say is I know Mark you get such enjoyment from that base Cayman.
Great place to be on a daily.
I'd personally stick with that.
Yeah I'm with you on that too.
A GTS 981 GTS or 718 GTS if you wish but certainly a 981 GTS.
It's a big chunk of change onwards from your base Cayman that value wise I don't think
is a fair jump.
You know it's a lot for the badge.
So I think you may there's a danger you may feel shortchanged.
Yeah but disappointed in that.
That base Cayman will give you everything.
So the answer could be do you get a GT4 but then your GT4 and your 996 Carrera they're
fulfilling a similar job of Sunday Blast, Fast Road, very occasional track queues.
You need your daily so you'd have to go out and buy something else.
I personally I'd stick with that base Cayman, pile the miles on it.
You'll be the happiest man going up and down the A34 or wherever you're going.
And don't worry about having chop it in a couple of years time.
Make it the biggest mileage Cayman 2.7 on the planet.
Definitely.
It's got so much life in it.
Mark has said to us previously how much he enjoys driving that on the daily and you know
where I daily my 996.
Honestly it makes boring journey so much more fun and engaging and exciting.
So don't relinquish that thrill and that privilege really I would say.
So definitely keep the base Cayman.
Yeah.
Exactly as you said go full DNH with it.
Stick the miles on it.
And I would say with your 996.
Yeah.
Chop that on and investigate GT3 because again Mark having known you for a number of years
now through the collective.
You've mentioned GT3 a lot.
So that is similar to Brian's scenario.
That's something that's kind of gnawing away at the back of Mark's brain.
That's an itch that really needs scratching.
I would say out of the two and we've covered it previously on NineWorks TV.
The Dot 2 is a far more committed car.
It really is built for the track and not a great deal else.
So your use case on it will be far more limited.
Knowing you and your lifestyle.
I would try and find a really good Dot 1.
And yes it is a fair upgrade financially from the 996 Carrera.
But I think it's worth it.
And I think 996 GT3 values are never going to go down from this point onwards.
So yes it's a bigger commitment but I don't think it's financially reckless by any stretch.
So I'd investigate the Dot 1.
I'd basically find a Dot 1 GT3.
Dismiss the Turbo S996.
Yeah.
Not with him on that one.
No.
No.
That will kind of...
That's a similar territory to the base Cayman in terms of great to drive daily but on a...
Yeah.
For everything else.
Don't go there.
Yeah.
So that'd be me.
Find a really good Dot 1.
That's an extremely difficult task.
Yes.
Extremely difficult task.
That's what it's been doing.
Yeah.
But I think that is your route to happiness.
Not necessarily a low mileage GT3.
You're not looking for that Holy Grail collector car.
No.
You're looking for one that may well have got a few miles on it and been used but it's been looked after well.
Yeah.
And kept nicely.
Yeah.
Because I've seen how you keep your cars and you like to keep them nicely.
So I think start with something good to start with and you'll be forever looking after that
and making it better but not being scared to put the miles on it.
So don't go for a collector grade one.
Yeah.
Just go for a really good used car.
Definitely.
Yeah.
Amazing.
Well that's two Carnundrums where we've recommended buying a GT3.
But yeah, knowing the guys how we do.
Yeah.
I feel like that is not reckless advice personally.
So hope you found that useful.
Thank you so much to Mark, to Jay and to Brian for your Carnundrums to wrap up this episode
and indeed this series of Nine Works Radio.
We really enjoy this as we say.
So if you have a Carnundrum that you'd like to submit, please email us at hello at nineworks.co.uk
or if you're in the Driven Not Hidden Collective, even better drop us a voice note and we'll play you out on the podcast.
Yeah.
Shall we quickly discuss where we're at with our cars before we...
Absolutely.
It's all about your car, mate, to be honest.
Well, I think it's both of ours.
Mine's running.
So good.
So good to see that running and your nighttime drive video.
Just a quick blot round.
How's it feel?
Oh, it feels great, mate.
So good.
Missed it.
Yeah.
Nice and tight.
I think I've still got a little bit of an oil leak from the bloody oil cooler.
But hey, if it's not got an oil leak, it's not got oil in it, isn't it?
But yeah, it's running really nicely.
I always had a bit of a noisy, tap it noise on that car.
I think valve clearance wasn't quite right and I seem to have cracked it.
So it's running beautifully smooth and a little sort of tapping noise from the valve train.
So that's really good.
Brakes feel good.
Thank you for your left leg.
Give it some pump.
Not left, right leg, even.
So yeah, yeah, all good.
Good to have it back on the road.
That's with a week to spare until Wales.
Yes.
So does that entail a week of snagging or is that just with your driving time and dry?
I think, well, I'll drive it a couple of times this week as well.
But yeah, I gave it a good old thrashing yesterday.
Nothing fell off.
No noises.
All felt good.
Yeah.
Felt really good actually.
Mega, mega.
So good to see that car back on the road.
Yes.
Really is.
Really is.
Yeah.
Mission accomplished, apart from a little oil leak.
But there we go.
That's air cooled life, isn't it?
They all do that, sir.
They all do that.
Two.
Yeah.
I tried everything for that.
There we go.
How about yours?
Real progress this week.
Yeah.
Andy B.
Spent the week down at Barnsport with Scotty, shadowing him.
Well, yeah, drinking his coffee and breaking coffee cups by accident.
So I've not been very good use at all.
But I have documented it all.
All the viewing pleasure of everybody on Nine Wax TV.
So it'll be dropping soon.
But yeah, as we speak, there is a dry engine assembled with all the ancillaries in situ
in the workshops at Barnsport.
So next step is to stick it in the car, stick a gearbox onto it.
Yeah.
Fill it up with oil and some water and see how we go.
Whoo-hoo.
She'd be back rolling.
Yeah.
It's quite an interesting experience watching your engine being rebuilt.
Yeah.
Not many people get that experience.
No.
And it'd be good, really good, that people could see what goes into the full rebuild of that.
Yeah.
I guess you're going to be doing it in two or three episodes.
Absolutely.
There's so much content there.
Yeah.
And it'd be a shame to bin any of it, to be honest.
So expect really long, detailed, spotty videos, as you would say.
And I certainly feel like I have a far more intrinsic understanding of exactly how those
engines work.
So when I'm driving it, I'll have that in my head.
Yeah.
You can picture the valve train doing its thing.
The crankshaft turning, what conrods, how they connect to the pistons and all of that stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And obviously there's not as much packaging in a tight space as, say, a water-cooled turbo.
But nevertheless, there is a lot of engineering going on in a little space.
And it was, you know, in a weird sort of way, it was a bit like watching Scott assemble a timepiece.
Really intricate, has to be done to perfection.
No room for error.
Yeah.
Particularly with all the timing and whatnot and getting the clips for the gudgeon pins in.
I had no idea how precarious that was, by the way.
Really interesting.
So yeah, really exciting, feel like I'm about to get some freedom back as well, actually.
Yeah.
And also thinking about all the journeys that the car will take, you know, everybody on.
Yeah.
Excited for it, mate.
Yeah.
I was interested to see the, you've got obviously new pistons in there.
They look quite light compared to the standard pistons.
And you've got the Corillo Con rods.
You were doing a little bit of weighing, I think, weren't you?
I did.
I did.
So the performance pistons, which, yeah, got from the company that engineered the casings.
And they weigh the same fun enough, exactly the same as stock.
Yeah.
But the Corillo rods, they are lighter.
Okay.
So I reckon I'm saving out across all six.
Yeah.
Two thirds of three quarters of a kilogram, which doesn't sound like a lot.
But the rate, the intensity and the rate to which those little components spin up, I'm
quite looking forward to pairing that with a single mass flywheel.
Yeah.
I think that should make a really nice zippy little engine that's still 3.4, because as
I said, I love the character at 3.4.
I'd be devastated to change it.
But yeah, I'm hoping that'll be fairly peppy.
Oh, that's going to be good.
I'm looking forward to it.
Miles ahead, Andy B. Can't wait.
Yeah.
Come in.
Come in soon.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
Well, thank you as always, Andy B, for this lovely series of Nine Much Radio.
It's been a great one.
I've really enjoyed this series.
We've done lots of good chats with lots of different people, isn't there?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Bit more variance in the conversations, which actually has been reflected in our downloads,
which have had a tickle up this year, which has been lovely.
So thanks to everybody for your continued support of Nine Much Radio.
We are exceedingly grateful.
I guess we'll see you in a few short weeks.
The other side of the Nine Works Awards.
Yes, absolutely.
See you then.
See you later.
Cheers.
Cheers.
Cheers.
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